Chris Brickley on Hardest Working NBA Players, Hoodie Melo, and Untold Story! // Michael Porter Jr.
00:00:00.000 | what's going on y'all it's another episode of curious mike i am here with chris brickley um
00:00:05.120 | it's an honor to have you on man you know there's very few people that i feel like their reputation
00:00:09.920 | is you know like yours to where there's nothing bad across the league across friends across people
00:00:17.280 | that work with you that have a negative thing to say about you and you know you're one of the best
00:00:21.360 | trainers in the game so it's an honor to have you on and just chop it up no i appreciate that man
00:00:25.520 | been as you know i've been a fan of your game for years i've been we've been texting back and forth
00:00:30.320 | i've been trying to get you in the gym uh that big fan of the game team puma you know both in the puma
00:00:35.520 | family but uh no thanks for having me yeah no doubt bro so brother like i was just um you know saying
00:00:42.960 | i feel like in your space there's always you know because there's so many trainers that are trying to
00:00:49.520 | you know get in the door with players and things like that so a lot of trainers i feel like have
00:00:55.520 | just good reputations from some people than other people have bad reviews bad reputations i feel like
00:01:00.560 | one of the things about you is there's not a player in the league a player you work with that has a
00:01:05.600 | negative thing to say about you um how did you kind of cultivate that relationship with players to was
00:01:13.920 | it just like are you i feel like you got to be very intentional in that space because that's one of
00:01:18.240 | the things i really admire about you yeah no i first of all i appreciate that you know i've i've done
00:01:23.280 | a bunch of interviews and no one's ever like said that or broken that down so i appreciate that
00:01:29.360 | um i guess yeah i'm very very intentional with who i work with who i give my energy to
00:01:34.880 | uh i feel like i've always been big on you know every relationship either giving energy or you get
00:01:41.840 | energy and i've always been someone where i know my role and it's to give energy to players and to help
00:01:48.720 | players become the best version of themselves and uh so that's always been my role and i've always just
00:01:55.600 | dropped my ego when it comes to that and um so far it's you know it's been good it's been good for me
00:02:01.360 | it's amazing like tracing back early like let's get into the chris brickley story a little bit um
00:02:08.240 | you obviously hoop coming up you know you had a passion for hoop and then what was that like after
00:02:13.280 | high school i i think i read that you tried to walk on somewhere yeah and then from there was it just
00:02:18.160 | right into the training i um i actually had a guest on yesterday who said they knew you towards the
00:02:23.600 | beginning of your journey and they remember there were times where you were in the car like you were
00:02:27.680 | sleeping in the car yeah things like that and really just thugging it out so like those early days when
00:02:32.240 | you decided to transition what was that like yeah so okay so i grew up in new hampshire i hooped went to
00:02:38.640 | northeastern uh small division one school transferred to louisville as a walk-on uh and then at that point
00:02:46.560 | in my life i was like all right no chance of making the nba and i looked up to coach patino i was like damn this
00:02:53.440 | guy lives a great life he drives a cool car has money has a nice watch teaches the game of basketball
00:03:00.160 | also regardless of the reputation he teaches kids life like he was he's the best teacher i've ever had
00:03:08.560 | and so i wanted to be that so i wanted to get into coaching so i was like the youngest division one
00:03:12.720 | assistant coach in the country uh at fairly dickinson then um i took an internship with the knicks
00:03:20.320 | and then my intern year so i'm like the rebounder and then you know uh all of a sudden carmelo who
00:03:27.840 | was like in the prime of his career um took a liking to me and he said i want you to be my main trainer
00:03:32.560 | mid-season and that literally i was making 300 a week as an intern that changed the my entire life so
00:03:40.720 | then for four years i was with mellow year round we travel with them um got to know him really well
00:03:47.600 | through him got to know all these other players and then so i was with the next four years
00:03:52.480 | through four different coaches four different gms like we experienced a lot um then i was like okay i
00:04:00.480 | could stay with the knicks i think if i leave though i've made enough connections through mellow i could
00:04:05.360 | start my own business and yeah i took a chance my family's like you're leaving health insurance
00:04:11.680 | you're leaving a guarantee guarantee check are you sure you want to do this
00:04:15.840 | um looking back i'm like i don't even know why how i could even do that but uh somehow it worked out
00:04:23.360 | that's amazing um for like people that you know are aspiring to be or just break away from the norm the
00:04:32.320 | nine to five the the typical job and make something of themselves you have done that you gambled on
00:04:38.080 | yourself and it paid off um like what would you say to people that are teetering that edge of like
00:04:44.320 | trying to play it safe versus try to like explore and see what they can make of their life so it's like
00:04:49.360 | you can't be you don't want to be delusional like at the same time but you also you want to believe in
00:04:55.680 | yourself it's like a it is a fine line like um and i played that super close i feel like um so i left
00:05:03.520 | the knicks and i initially i was gonna sign this big deal with nike and so in the back of my mind i'm
00:05:09.360 | like okay i'm talking to a vp of nike i'm gonna sign this big deal in nike um long story short that guy
00:05:17.520 | wanted to control my whole team all my childhood friends that would rebound for me and all that he's
00:05:22.400 | like no i don't want that i want this so i was like i'm not doing this two months go by i'm homeless
00:05:29.680 | don't have a home i go from i'm coaching with the knicks i'm gonna sign this big nike deal
00:05:35.120 | i turn it down and i'm in new york city at the yotel trying to get back in the room and they're like
00:05:43.440 | your credit card decline if i have no money left my my uh debit card this was like six seven years ago
00:05:50.160 | and uh i'm sleeping like where i do the runs now lifetime sky i'm like sleeping in like a side room
00:05:56.800 | that like i found for like a few months not telling anyone not even telling mellow and i did i had too
00:06:04.000 | much pride to tell him i had too much pride to tell the players um yeah and i just grinded it out i just
00:06:10.880 | literally workout by workout i never really showed the players who i didn't i never told
00:06:15.360 | them what was going on and uh kept doing my job assigned a manager signed with a manager who helped
00:06:21.680 | me get some deals and then that kind of changed everything it's amazing that's an amazing story
00:06:27.360 | um i feel like in the training space you know as a trainer as a basketball player there's only so many
00:06:33.120 | drills you can really do right there's so many people who are very knowledgeable about the game can
00:06:37.280 | break different things down but there's really only so many drills you can do and you have elevated
00:06:42.240 | over the last probably 10 to 15 years is like the you know the epitome of of what an nba trainer looks
00:06:49.920 | like um off the court and on the court you know how what do you feel like separates trainers from
00:06:57.440 | like average trainer from the best trainers because i feel like something you touched on is is the
00:07:03.360 | relationship you build in the energy you give off because like you were just saying when you were a
00:07:08.080 | ball boy or a intern with the knicks or just rebounding for players mellow at the prime of his
00:07:13.040 | career one of the most skilled players ever he wasn't even trying to rock with the quote unquote best
00:07:19.360 | trainer in the world at that time he was rocking with you and like you probably were just getting into
00:07:25.440 | i mean you probably knew what you were doing but like at the end of the day there's only so many drills you
00:07:29.680 | can do so how important is that relationship and kind of the energy trainers give off to players
00:07:34.560 | in terms of elevating themselves it's everything so i think i learned that from phil jackson i feel
00:07:39.680 | so i was with the knicks that was an end of phil's career he took over the knicks as like president
00:07:44.640 | and so when he first got the job the whole staff's like oh everyone's done so the season ended we're doing
00:07:53.280 | exit meetings head coach goes in gets fired assistants going gets fired so i'm at the bottom of the line
00:07:59.120 | so i'll call my dad i'm like i'm about to get fired right now so i go into phil's office and feels like
00:08:04.640 | he asked me three questions um by the grace of god i answered him in a way that he liked him and he's like
00:08:13.200 | i'm gonna keep you so he fired everyone on the staff kept me we developed a friendship me and phil and he
00:08:20.560 | taught me when i was with the this is phil talking when i was with the bulls it wasn't about basketball
00:08:26.560 | it was about how i managed michael jordan and scotty pippen and dennis rodman and so then i was like damn
00:08:32.480 | so this whole basketball thing is like it's about managing players energy managing different players
00:08:40.720 | attitudes and like figuring that out and that's how you get the best of the players so i think i took a
00:08:46.240 | lot of that in into my training like you said obviously um you want the right drills but there's
00:08:52.640 | no magic drills um but yeah i think phil played a huge uh role in just my how i deal with players
00:09:00.880 | that's amazing so mellow you guys you guys are rocking you're kind of building your brand a
00:09:05.440 | little bit that way um when did it get to the point where so many players and just like how did you
00:09:12.480 | slowly because even when i met you a few years ago we met at some puma event yep um like it wasn't at
00:09:19.360 | the level it is now you know what i mean and probably a few years prior to that it wasn't at the level it
00:09:23.360 | was then so like how did you slowly um kind of i mean you're in new york city the biggest market but
00:09:29.680 | from working with mellow to all these different players how did you slowly build that reputation
00:09:34.800 | and that trust along the league yeah so i think so first off shout out to mellow and shout out to new
00:09:40.240 | york city i'd be delusional to be like in new york city didn't play a role or mellow didn't play a role
00:09:46.400 | i think through mellow i got a chance to work with katie and work with lebron and james and russ and these
00:09:52.320 | guys and just be able to spend time with them and um they got to see that i was coming from a genuine
00:09:59.920 | place um i knew i was talking about as far as like i wasn't bullshitting them about like
00:10:05.120 | uh i don't know you you know when someone's trying to talk to you about your game they really don't know
00:10:09.920 | so i just i was i was always honest if a player asked me something that i i didn't know i'd be honest
00:10:15.040 | i don't know um so i think just being honest i think uh the new york city thing really helped
00:10:20.480 | i had a building a team around me i i uh signed with a manager that wasn't like part of a big agency
00:10:27.680 | he just worked for me he went and he did he's done a great job and got me a puma deal and bmw and 2k
00:10:34.480 | and all these things that i think have helped me with my career that's amazing i feel like also like
00:10:39.920 | as a player as an nba player one thing that really turns players off to trainers is when trainers try to
00:10:46.240 | act like the player needs them i remember like back in high school there were a couple trainers and a
00:10:52.000 | couple people that would approach me and this is i was already one of the best players in the country
00:10:55.920 | and they would be like if you work with me you could take from here to here yeah that's probably
00:11:00.800 | never was in your in your no no because you just know any nba player i've ever worked with they don't
00:11:10.080 | need me i didn't make them you do all the work right i'm just able to be part of your journey and be
00:11:18.960 | able to be able to literally i i i call it like this witnessing witnessing your journey be like
00:11:24.880 | yeah we do drills yeah we do film but you're the one doing all the work you're the one you get
00:11:30.320 | the injuries i don't deal with the injuries i don't deal with that you rehabbing uh all of that stuff
00:11:36.480 | uh i'm huge on that too i hate when people are like i hate when trainers like my player
00:11:41.840 | no like no like a player me and buddy were talking about it earlier today a player should be able to
00:11:49.040 | work with multiple trainers and that's fine that's okay it's like no trainer should be like don't work
00:11:56.320 | with anyone else just work with me i just uh yeah so to answer your question i think i've always just been
00:12:03.360 | been open to i show love to other trainers and um i understand that i didn't make any players that's
00:12:11.200 | for sure yeah as you have elevated in that space and become you know who you are today i mean there's
00:12:16.880 | only one other person i can really think of that like has the on the court presence and off the court
00:12:22.960 | social media presence as you do and that's like lethal shooter but he's more like skits a little bit
00:12:26.960 | and you're more like really just in the trenches in the gym with players every single day as you've
00:12:32.080 | elevated how have you maintained like because you come off very humble you come off and i feel like
00:12:37.280 | that has been part of the reason for your success but how have you maintained that to where like
00:12:41.120 | the simplicity of what got you to where you are today which was probably grinding it out in the gym
00:12:46.880 | every day you know talking to players hitting players up to get in the gym and just the simplicity of
00:12:52.400 | that how as you have rose kind of in in fame and just in notoriety how have you maintained like that
00:12:58.720 | humility and just that that grind and that work ethic because i i'm around a lot of people not only
00:13:03.600 | basketball players um but even like musicians and other people who once they kind of taste that
00:13:08.880 | success of what of what money and fame and all this stuff gets them they lose that like desire to
00:13:15.600 | every single day wake up early get in the gym do it again how have you maintained that that's actually
00:13:20.720 | the way you broke that down this the the simplicity of like it's like how did i get to where i got to
00:13:28.000 | it's just every day getting in getting in the gym working with players building day by day
00:13:33.200 | day after day after day after day it's like no magic but so to answer your question yeah for sure i
00:13:40.400 | i went in my 20s and um i never had over 20 000 in my bank account and then you know you get
00:13:46.960 | to your 30s and i i have seven figures in my bank account um and then like people might ask me for
00:13:53.120 | pictures or and so like yeah that's for sure different that was never the plan ever that was
00:13:57.680 | never the plan so i have like little things that i do like for example i have humility on my finger but
00:14:04.080 | some that i do a lot um next knows this is i get in my car and i drive to where i used to live when i was
00:14:11.280 | struggling where i lived when i coached fdu in new jersey and i go on these drives and i take myself
00:14:16.800 | back to where i was seven eight years ago mentally and just to stay grounded you know um i think that
00:14:22.720 | that's like huge that's like my thing just driving back and trying to put myself myself in those places
00:14:28.400 | yeah no i think that's an amazing tool like taking yourself out of kind of this luxurious lifestyle
00:14:34.480 | and putting yourself kind of back in the grind back in the trenches like i remember before the
00:14:39.120 | bubble happened all the gyms were shut down um like we couldn't get in the nuggets facility i couldn't
00:14:44.320 | get in any of the nice gyms but there was one gym it was like a little shack and i would call it the
00:14:49.200 | trenches and they opened it up for me and they would let me in there and then i remember
00:14:52.400 | me breaking out as a player in the nba was when i went to the bubble yeah and i was for sure
00:14:58.720 | consistently putting up like 30 games straight but i didn't have a state-of-the-art gym i didn't have
00:15:03.360 | state-of-the-art recovery it was putting myself back in kind of those those hard spaces and i feel
00:15:09.840 | like intentionally doing that is there's got to be like some some benefit to that so true so true that
00:15:17.040 | that's actually dope to hear because you you're the way you put in the bubble was i feel like that was
00:15:22.320 | like you're like okay this guy is gonna be in the nba for a long time yeah that was like post injury
00:15:28.560 | like for sure rehab that whole first year of my nba career um that second year like i kind of started
00:15:36.240 | off okay but it was it was kind of slow i was you know sharing minutes with malik beasley tory craig
00:15:41.520 | wancho um you know there was like four or five of us that coach was yeah and then the bubble happened
00:15:47.120 | that was like the the break in the middle of the season and i got so lucky because i got to start
00:15:54.480 | pretty early because guys had covet so they weren't and then i got to to break out in the in the bubble
00:16:00.240 | but um a bunch of 20 plus games yeah yeah i remember that i definitely remember that but yeah no so i think
00:16:06.880 | that's huge putting your so actually just recently this is actually kind of funny a little off topic
00:16:12.240 | so um i have a girlfriend right uh we've been dating for like i don't know a year and a half which so
00:16:18.880 | she she lives like uh by massive square garden and she lives with like some roommates
00:16:25.120 | the play it's not really in the best area it's like their apartments like kind of grimy it's just like
00:16:32.640 | sorry lexi but um and so i would do this thing where and like you know i so i live where where the
00:16:39.760 | gym is i live in the summit i live in like a penthouse i would do this thing where i would i would go to
00:16:44.480 | her house i'd like sleep over and she'd go to work and i would like spend for as long as i could
00:16:54.080 | in her like this like old crib that like just like in the middle of the winter it's like freezing cold
00:17:00.960 | i'm like don't go get food i'm like i'm like starving myself i'm like almost like taking myself back this
00:17:08.240 | is like recently i'm i'm taking myself back to the days where like i didn't have money to eat and i just
00:17:14.000 | didn't have money to do anything luxurious and i would like do i would stay in her crib as long as i could
00:17:21.360 | so i was so uncomfortable i was i'm hungry like what the am i doing and and i feel like that like
00:17:27.600 | helped that helps like getting yourself uncomfortable kind of like what you're talking about about the
00:17:32.160 | gym yeah no that's such an underrated like tactic to increase mental strength and to increase like
00:17:38.720 | resiliency and all that is on purpose go put yourself uncomfortable uncomfortable position for sure
00:17:44.240 | and that can be as simple as waking up and you want to get in the hot shower go turn on a cold shower
00:17:49.280 | for sure or go get in the cold tub or do you know when you feel like doing this do something else on
00:17:54.480 | purpose and like that really can build you know build your mind in a way that and like there was
00:18:00.000 | um i watched the interview actually david goggins had an interview with andrew huberman i don't know
00:18:05.520 | if you know who that is yeah um but they talked about this this part in your brain that only grows
00:18:11.120 | when you do uncomfortable things like that's the only time that it grows is when you
00:18:16.240 | do uncomfortable things on purpose and you accomplish those things so what you're saying
00:18:21.600 | of putting yourself back in those shoes of when you didn't have much and you didn't have much money
00:18:26.880 | and doing that on purpose that as you climb in life i feel like that's that's important yeah no for
00:18:33.520 | sure the the my yeah the mindset just having that mindset i have a question for you um what what is
00:18:40.880 | your go-to during your playing career when moments when you're not shooting good you're not playing
00:18:48.880 | good do you do anything different or do you keep your routine the same when i'm not shooting good or not
00:18:54.160 | playing good um i try to keep my routine very similar if anything i'll go in the evenings and really just
00:19:00.960 | try to like like get my form and my go back to like really basic things yep um but like off of the
00:19:07.280 | court mental wise i have to like if i'm you know if i'm kind of like in the mix a little bit during the
00:19:16.880 | season hanging out going to dinners for me personally i have to like alone time is really important so i
00:19:21.680 | get back to spending like time alone and time time reading books times journaling times of
00:19:26.960 | getting that because we all like in this line of work the physical part of things is very easy
00:19:33.680 | so going to the gym lifting weights all that stuff is easy for me so during those hard times i have to
00:19:38.960 | on purpose like go to like the mental gym and like do things that i don't normally do which is
00:19:43.920 | journaling some meditation some prayer so that i can try to get that like feeling of heaviness yeah
00:19:50.560 | that feeling of whatever off of me so then i can go into the game and just feel like man like
00:19:54.560 | i can i can have a quick i can have a quick memory even if i miss like i'm free out there i feel
00:20:00.240 | loose i feel free i don't feel this pressure that's dope man that i hope someone clips that for players
00:20:05.600 | out there i feel like that's that's such a big thing players get stuck in there they don't know how to
00:20:10.880 | get out of it they don't know how to get to that journaling or being alone or they can't figure that
00:20:17.520 | part out and sometimes that's why players can't get to that next level i think i mean honestly for me
00:20:22.640 | though it goes back to faith like i like my faith in god because if you can get out quickly of like
00:20:28.560 | trying to perform to to appease your coaches or trying to perform to for your own or the approval of
00:20:35.280 | the fans or your own if you can get out of that and kind of get back to the joy of the game playing
00:20:40.960 | for the passion of the game playing for you know god you know being grateful for the gate the gifts
00:20:46.400 | he's giving you and and going out there with that mindset that's a completely different mindset than
00:20:51.360 | the than the previous one which is probably going to you know make fear come into your mind you're
00:20:56.640 | going to feel the pressure of shots when you can get into like the grateful mindset thanking god for
00:21:01.040 | the talent he gave you and the fact that you're able to go out there and play and be healthy that
00:21:06.080 | to me is a way to kind of get some of like i just said some of that unnecessary pressure off that's so
00:21:11.280 | true that's so true when things uh to play off that when things i feel like aren't going good in my life
00:21:19.120 | whether relationships or whatever i those are the times where i'm like when i pray and i'm saying thank
00:21:25.600 | you the most yeah for whatever reason i think i've always been like that yeah that's fine yeah
00:21:31.440 | well you're doing so well on the court and everything but you're doing equally as well
00:21:34.960 | off of the court with the um you know the new age of social media and the influence that you can have
00:21:39.600 | in that way um how did you really because you're one of the first guys that really paid attention to
00:21:45.840 | really like the content game is there as a as a trainer how did you kind of like see into that world
00:21:52.320 | before it became such a big thing and how have you grown that so i feel like in the beginning i was
00:21:56.160 | getting like killed for it because like you know mellow was like yo let's start putting content out
00:22:02.960 | and um it was looked at almost like oh he's just trying to show new york that he's working hard or
00:22:11.120 | he's not and mellow's real reason for that was he wanted to inspire younger basketball players to show
00:22:17.120 | them like what he was doing so then we started recording and then now jr so mellow and jr were
00:22:24.880 | close and then me and jr started recording then we started doing runs and then we started recording that
00:22:28.720 | and um a lot of negative negativity came from that because it was like oh you're only doing workouts
00:22:37.680 | to film them or you're only but it's like no we actually did like 50 workouts and i posted 45 seconds
00:22:44.880 | of one yeah um and so now i feel like it's a little bit more more more players post content so uh there's
00:22:54.960 | not as much negative negative vibes with it but at first i felt like that was a negative connotation with
00:22:59.520 | it it's kind of cool too the way you do it because even in the runs or even in the basketball workouts it
00:23:03.840 | looks like it's shot from like an iphone like very oh yeah um it's not like you know some of these super
00:23:08.800 | curated like uh creative directed things that like are mixtapes it's like no you're just showing the
00:23:15.440 | work on on a phone show i've always been super mindful of that i've always definitely been super
00:23:20.080 | mindful of that and i understand the whole no one ever misses and and it's like i'm gonna look at the
00:23:25.600 | camera what do you want so you want to watch the player miss 10 shots in a row i just don't i never
00:23:31.360 | understood that like criticized for yeah for sure uh definitely definitely they're like why aren't
00:23:36.640 | you doing defensive drills it's like so you want me to post a video of them of a player doing defensive
00:23:43.120 | slides it's strange if they try to nitpick just to try to pull out the the negative but if they even
00:23:49.440 | think for themselves like what would they enjoy watching what is a young basketball player he wants
00:23:53.840 | to watch mellow you know get in the mid post and kill these guys in your workout they want to watch clay
00:23:58.800 | thompson shoot and make 73s from the corner in a row like they like like i don't understand
00:24:04.000 | it's really the society we live in because you can be doing everything by the book being the most
00:24:08.400 | authentic person people are still going to find a way to twist that for sure that's inevitable that's
00:24:13.440 | the world we live in yeah um besides like the social media thing you have been one of the first
00:24:19.120 | trainers to really get some of these big endorsement deals you know the puma one um among other things how
00:24:26.400 | how did those things come about you mentioned something earlier that you have a guy that
00:24:29.520 | doesn't work with a lot of people he works for you and he's out there hustling and yeah these things
00:24:33.200 | done how did some of those things come about yeah so i left the knicks i was like struggling i was like
00:24:39.360 | into the nike thing um had a good summer like it was like four weeks after the calves
00:24:47.360 | i played the words in the finals i had like lebron and katie playing in a run against each other guarding
00:24:52.160 | each other right after and so like that was a big moment um so i had all these big agencies that wanted
00:24:57.520 | to meet with me i had this one guy that was emailing me every week and i was like i'm gonna take this
00:25:02.720 | meeting i took the meeting and he's like i promise you like i'm gonna be loyal to you i'm gonna do
00:25:07.120 | everything i can to help build you know so i was like all right let's do this and he got me the puma
00:25:13.120 | deal and i think getting a sneaker deal is huge so that led to body armor which led to bmw and tiffany's
00:25:20.000 | and bose and therabody and you know it's been a blessing it's been a blessing even you you even um
00:25:28.640 | you even what you would call it in the 2k yeah yeah 2k that was a huge moment i feel like uh
00:25:34.560 | i guess my popularity having like brickley's gym in there like that became a thing where i you know
00:25:40.880 | every every time i went to the airport it'd be like oh i play with you in the video game or there'd be
00:25:45.280 | people online being like i didn't know chris brickley was a real person i thought he was just a video game
00:25:49.840 | so that's a really cool shout out to 2k for that all that's just uh i'm super thankful but that's not why
00:25:56.560 | i got into what i got into we could take all that away and we could uh put my bank account
00:26:03.120 | at ten thousand dollars and i'm still gonna do what i'm doing i'm not i'm not doing it strictly for
00:26:08.320 | deals or for money or i actually love developing basketball players it's fun it's a it's a passion
00:26:14.320 | it's cool seeing the progress it's cool watching the game and being like damn like the last last past
00:26:20.800 | summer we were working on that and now that's not me taking credit but it's me just being part of your
00:26:25.840 | journey part of a player's journey i think that that's what that makes me fulfilled that's dope
00:26:30.480 | man you obviously got the very distinct look with the tats going on you know i mean when people see
00:26:35.280 | chris brickley they know who it is when did um when did that come about was it when you were a young
00:26:40.480 | intern was that the was that the vibe or did that kind of man so i was super self-conscious with this
00:26:45.200 | so when i was with the knicks i started slowly getting tattoos i'd go with jr and so oh you're hanging out
00:26:51.520 | jr that's that's how you got tight for sure so i started getting them but i wouldn't show them so
00:26:55.760 | it got to a point where like i just have a pair so i wear t-shirts every day so it got to a point
00:27:01.200 | my last year with the next this is uh i've never said this on any interview we're in vegas summer league
00:27:07.280 | and now at this point i have like my legs and i have like my forearms we uh going to summer league
00:27:13.920 | practice in vegas i don't want to show my tattoos i don't want anyone to have them so and it's 115
00:27:19.360 | degrees i have on my next polo with the long sleeve i have on the like the knicks practice shorts with
00:27:25.840 | like the spandex and and i'm just going every practice like that sweating like and coach i remember
00:27:31.680 | the coach is like yo why do you have long sleeves in here and i just didn't want to and then one day i'm
00:27:37.520 | in the locker room in at the next facility i'm changing phil jackson walks in and he saw my tattoos
00:27:43.840 | and i was like oh my god and he's like just be you that's literally all he said we didn't talk about
00:27:52.480 | the tattoos yeah but he i knew what he was talking about and i was like so i literally ended up getting
00:27:58.160 | be you on my on my arm and i was like yeah it i'm just gonna be myself and and i just from that point
00:28:06.720 | on i i stopped trying on the same with the tats yeah is there a chance that eminem was your favorite
00:28:11.920 | rapper growing up no no he wasn't eminem what i liked eminem i liked eminem i was eminem fan
00:28:17.920 | i like jadakiss i like i like like rap but no i liked uh i liked eminem um so yeah how did then how
00:28:25.760 | did then you know you're also very known for the black ops runs which every player has come through
00:28:30.160 | that gym and and and put on shows you know i love watching those highlights personally i love watching
00:28:36.000 | trey when he was me and they're killing i like watching when braun kd were going at it you know
00:28:41.120 | donovan mitchell pulls up a lot really everybody's been in that gym but how did how did the black ops
00:28:46.160 | runs come about and then talk about the era of hoodie mellow a little bit yeah so they that black
00:28:51.440 | ops runs came so mellow used to do this thing called stay mellow weekends in puerto rico and so we're
00:28:57.600 | by the water um and you know having some drinks and mellow's like i'm coaching with the knicks and he's
00:29:04.000 | like yo when we get back to new york i want you to put together a run and i was like okay like nick's
00:29:09.520 | got just guys on the team he's like no anyone you can find so i reach out to guys i get kd i get um
00:29:16.000 | kimball walker at the time uh i was like lance stevenson it was a good group of guys we do this
00:29:21.680 | run but i'm coaching with the knicks do the run someone else posted it i walk into the office they're
00:29:28.240 | like you need to go talk to um donovan the owner like you got you you can't be doing stuff like that
00:29:35.520 | i'm like damn so i drive from terrytown to madison square garden to walk into the owner's office and
00:29:43.520 | he's like i'm making sixty thousand dollars a year he's like you know you're doing that run just got
00:29:49.520 | the team fine fifty thousand dollars right and i'm like damn and i'm thinking i'm about to get fired
00:29:56.160 | and he's like you know just don't do it again i'm not mad at you um but what was the problem with it
00:30:04.080 | because if you're a coach if you're a coach with a team you you're not allowed to technically work with
00:30:09.200 | it'd be recruiting it'd be a recruiting perfect right so uh yeah that was like the first ever run
00:30:15.680 | technically so then i stopped doing it and then that was also part of the reason why i left the
00:30:19.360 | knicks i was like okay i like i want to be able to do my own thing like that so that was the first ever
00:30:24.560 | run the hoodie mellow thing how that came about was um so mellow's that me me and mellow have two
00:30:33.200 | different uh stories um i remember mellow was going through a time in new york where
00:30:40.080 | playing for the knicks isn't easy if you're not winning championships which they haven't been and
00:30:46.400 | you're the franchise player they're they're gonna be on you especially if you're not making big player
00:30:49.680 | friends when we're in the gym he didn't want to be bothered he didn't want anyone coming up to him
00:30:54.000 | hey mellow come hello blah blah so he put a hood on and that was him being like don't talk to me
00:31:00.560 | not to me but to anyone that were to walk to the gym and we just started working out and we were
00:31:05.760 | posting and he had the hood on and then that just became a thing and then uh that was how it started
00:31:11.680 | and then i think the nba implemented hoods that next season it was kind of crazy that that time was
00:31:17.680 | oh yeah they implemented the the warm-ups yeah that's fire um who have you seen walk through that
00:31:24.960 | gym that to you is well first let's ask like who are the most impressive players um with the most
00:31:32.720 | impressive work ethic is it does it correlate to how the world sees them like is lebron the lebrons and
00:31:38.000 | the kds also the hardest workers or who's some guys that you've seen that are just so yeah like
00:31:45.680 | they it's like they are the hardest workers like lebron you know we'll schedule eight o'clock workout
00:31:50.560 | eight a.m and every single time we've ever worked out he shows up at 6 a.m and he stretches for an
00:31:58.560 | hour and then there's abs and then then lifts and every single time if there's a run at 10 he's getting
00:32:05.200 | there at eight like so it's it's tough not to say him yeah he's he's 40 years old and he's still in the league
00:32:12.240 | and he's still averaging 27 whatever a game so it's tough not to say him and it's tough not to say
00:32:19.520 | kd it's like we've every time i've ever worked with him he's he's gone game speed everything we've ever
00:32:24.880 | done i can't ever remember a moment where he's like had a moment in the workout where or a day where he
00:32:31.040 | didn't want to go like really hard and so i think it like correlates to like yeah i think those have
00:32:36.240 | been like to me those have been the most impressive guys and yeah that's not the best answer but yeah
00:32:42.960 | i mean no but it's there's no secret to success like everybody's heard the lebron stories of how
00:32:48.160 | dedicated he is to his craft but to hear it from you know a guy that works with him often and just
00:32:54.080 | every single time showing up two hours before taking care of his body i mean there's a reason
00:32:57.840 | that guy's not only been as successful as he is but how long he's done it like a body a human body at
00:33:04.240 | that age is not supposed to be doing what lebron for sure for sure and just recently so he started like
00:33:09.440 | the podcast i thought it was interesting he said i think steve nash was like why do you get there early
00:33:15.760 | he was like ever since the little kid whenever he had to practice if he made if he cut it too close
00:33:21.760 | he would get really anxious and so i think because of that that made him start to get there early and so
00:33:27.680 | that's that's like so that's so deep to think about that like so because him cutting anything close made
00:33:35.200 | him anxious that would make him want to get to places really early and now he's lebron right now he's
00:33:41.600 | lebron now he's you got austin reeves saying that he he's trying to beat lebron to the to the the
00:33:47.600 | facility before a game and lebron still shows up before and like lebron will show five four or five
00:33:53.600 | hours before the game it's crazy like he has dedicated his entire existence to being great and it's really
00:34:00.720 | like it's really inspiring at some point they're gonna have to like when you talk about the the lebron
00:34:07.280 | mj debate you got to account for the longevity at some point for sure like you know sure it's
00:34:12.880 | unbelievable who's someone who like is like an underrated well a player that maybe hasn't like
00:34:18.960 | broke through all the way to their potential but like you've seen them in the gym and they're just
00:34:24.480 | very very impressed yeah and i guess there's like different levels of it like i feel like cj mccomb
00:34:29.760 | should have been all-star at some point in his career yeah oh he hasn't been you know he's averaged 20
00:34:33.680 | points in the game for i want to say like i don't even know 13 straight seasons 14 straight seasons
00:34:40.000 | never been an all-star i feel like he's a guy that you know he's so good like ridiculously skilled
00:34:46.960 | i think he doesn't get his flowers still averaging 22 on like 40 from three um yeah i think that's a good
00:34:55.840 | one yeah because he got he got every dribble move he got the left hand the right hand the midi he got the
00:34:59.840 | three ball he got the he has and he's doing all that without being like a supreme athlete you know
00:35:06.080 | one which is awesome you're right about that always very impressive to me um you've also worked with
00:35:11.600 | my boy trey young yep i told him the other day when we did a workout together i was like
00:35:16.400 | isn't it weird trade to think that like at your size and at your height you are the best player in
00:35:22.320 | the world like like you know you got the jalen brunson's and the kyrie's but they're a little
00:35:26.400 | stocker a little stronger you kind of bump people yeah pound for pound pound he's the best player in
00:35:31.600 | the world and for sure that is someone who um the average person who has big dreams to be an nba
00:35:38.480 | player you know you can look at trey you could probably look at like peyton pritchard uh maybe
00:35:42.720 | a couple other guys and be like that's that's reasonable for me so like as far as trey goes i
00:35:48.080 | know you've worked with him a lot this off season what is what is it like getting in the gym with him
00:35:51.680 | i feel like so special do you agree i feel like the appreciation for trey and i don't know what it
00:35:57.840 | is maybe it's atlanta this is this situation maybe it's but every single season he
00:36:05.440 | puts up phenomenal numbers it's the worst i've ever seen of any player in the history of people almost
00:36:11.920 | like he doesn't get picked you know he made the all-star but i think someone got injured and he
00:36:17.600 | but i'm like what else does this guy have to do to get like the respect that he deserves like now yes
00:36:24.000 | he he's trey young he you know has a great contract he's but i i still i feel like he doesn't get the
00:36:31.040 | appreciation to the point that he deserves i mean there's there's there's years where he's top five and
00:36:36.800 | scoring and assists like often like for sure he's one of the best scorers in the game and he's also
00:36:42.000 | one of the best playmakers like 100 and he's six one six two and super like so i don't know what it
00:36:49.040 | is i don't know if it's that early on he kind of took on that villain that villain role you know coming
00:36:54.080 | to new york and and getting on new york's bad side sure killing the knicks and things like that i don't
00:36:59.200 | know if that's it but there was a year that it was like he easily should have been an all-star like
00:37:05.440 | yes didn't get it i forget what year it was and then like there was a year he was but it was because
00:37:09.760 | someone got injured like you said so i don't know what it is with trade to me it's it's like they should
00:37:15.760 | be hyping that up more because of the fact that he's he's an average you're right so relatable like
00:37:22.800 | so related my boy next like like like the people like that are regular height and yes trey's quick
00:37:29.440 | don't get me wrong and like uh but like just like normal people walking around like could look at trey
00:37:35.920 | young and be like like that could be me i thought caitlyn clark has that effect i think that's part of
00:37:41.360 | why she became so big because she was like someone that's people could relate to yeah 100 who um how do you
00:37:50.000 | as a trainer decide who you're willing to work with because i feel like um it's i mean if i was
00:37:56.560 | a trainer i would probably be like as long as they're willing to work hard and be consistent whatever
00:38:01.040 | but for you what is it so it's changed so in the when i first started like six years ago when i first
00:38:06.480 | left the next i'm taking anybody so if you're in the league i'm taking you um it's over the last two or
00:38:13.200 | three years it's it's been a like i have to like your game i have to think that i can help you somehow
00:38:20.720 | or there's something that i've worked with a player that maybe has been similar to you or there needs to
00:38:27.120 | be something where i feel like i could bring to the table that um it really bothers me when a player just
00:38:34.400 | wants to work out for videos on my social media um and i would never say the names of any of those guys
00:38:41.600 | but that's been some disappointing moments in my career where me and a guy will start working out
00:38:47.840 | and on like the second workout he's like jay you're gonna post that video i was like yo and then like we
00:38:56.240 | slowly like you won't see me with him working with him anymore because i'm like that's not what it
00:39:02.240 | should be about it's funny that normally the trainers would would try to link up with players for the for
00:39:08.560 | the clout but you've gotten to the point now where certain players will try to link up with you and get
00:39:12.640 | a video posted because you've elevated to that level which is no it is but it's like i talk about this
00:39:19.520 | with my and it's like my manager's probably gonna be so mad i'm saying this having a video okay so if
00:39:25.440 | you're a free agent having a video on my page it's not gonna it's not gonna get you picked on the team
00:39:30.720 | yeah it's not gonna happen yeah some players think that it's that's just not the case uh i
00:39:36.960 | couldn't stress that enough like i i want to work to get better to help you get better but a video on
00:39:43.440 | social media that's 45 seconds long is not gonna make a team want to pick you in my opinion maybe i'm
00:39:49.680 | wrong there's one player i want to i want to speak about because i feel like i can relate to him and he's
00:39:55.280 | gotten also some unfair criticism and you've witnessed him up close and that's ben simmons um you've seen
00:40:02.400 | him in the black ops runs going crazy dunking off the left foot the right foot playmaking you've seen
00:40:07.840 | his explosion end to end and the reason that i like i feel for ben in his situation is because
00:40:14.640 | i haven't gone through what he's gone through times three i think i've had three back surgeries he may have
00:40:19.680 | had one or two yeah but i know how that you know i know that story and how demoralizing that is and
00:40:26.880 | how like you know your mind has to become very resilient very strong and you have to adapt your
00:40:33.440 | game a little bit and you have to be very dedicated but for the people that say like ben simmons doesn't
00:40:38.800 | care about basketball or he lost all his confidence or um like what would you say to them because
00:40:45.040 | you've been in the gym with him and you've seen him like kind of in that era where he was just unreal
00:40:51.840 | for sure exactly i've seen him when he like before his like injury before his like essentially it was
00:41:00.080 | his back and but those are real injuries yeah that he want he wanted to be healthy like he didn't want
00:41:07.440 | to be not healthy like and i salute you like i don't know how you've done it i know you talked about
00:41:14.720 | journaling and you've talked about being alone and spending alone time and but to go through like
00:41:19.600 | three you've had three back surgeries back for all of them and to come back and still be an elite elite
00:41:26.400 | level player like you deserve all the flowers in the world for that like your average person walking
00:41:33.520 | around doesn't understand and even i haven't gotten the surgery so i i don't quite but i've been around
00:41:39.440 | players to see you have to work times five to after that like compared to what the average player has
00:41:46.240 | to work and like take care of their body and watch their diet and do their recovery it's it's times five
00:41:51.280 | or ten for me for sure like i literally had to go from being a player that likes to drive right to a
00:41:57.440 | player that prefers to go left i had to go from a player like like there's so many little things that
00:42:03.440 | people don't know about my story that what was the toughest one to bounce back from so the first
00:42:09.280 | one i had at mizzou and i actually i actually hurt my back probably sophomore year of high
00:42:15.120 | school playing with trey young and you were number one and you you're number one in the country number
00:42:18.880 | one in the world at this point um for my projected number one in nba jack number one draft pick best
00:42:24.720 | player in the country so all those things and trey can attest to this like we were in practice with
00:42:30.080 | mo can you know and i'm a sophomore it's a sophomore summer going into junior year and we're in practice
00:42:36.960 | i'm going up i'm like back then like my balance was od so i'm going up dunking about to dunk on
00:42:41.200 | to do baseline he runs by me grabs my like like arm and air and you've seen those videos of people like
00:42:47.200 | falling on their back really high right yep and that's what happened the wing got knocked out of me
00:42:51.040 | and like whatever it took me a second to get up but i got up and my back felt a little like like
00:42:56.720 | off right but nothing crazy so i didn't give it proper time to recover from there i think i played in the
00:43:02.320 | game the very next day okay but i think i started compensating for like little pains in my back and
00:43:07.840 | um there was like some soreness and then i went to go see like a chiropractor or something or a doctor
00:43:14.800 | maybe a few months later when kind of that that feeling wasn't ever right in my back again and
00:43:20.960 | they said i had degenerative disc disease right they did an x-ray and i didn't like at this point now i'm
00:43:28.560 | like an expert with the bat because i've gone through so much first time i had no idea what
00:43:32.080 | that meant he said degenerative disc disease and i was like like my mind this is why i talk about the
00:43:38.400 | power of the mind it automatically went to fear i'm like oh no like i'm broken like i'm degenerating like
00:43:43.200 | this is a disease i didn't know that every single person on the planet and especially if you're an athlete
00:43:50.720 | as you age those discs become like if you if you mri any basketball player yeah their mri is going to
00:43:56.480 | come back a little abnormal we're 6 10 we're moving crazy like i didn't know that at the time so this
00:44:02.080 | implanted like a bunch of fear in my mind and from there for some reason the pain got worse like i i
00:44:08.080 | don't think it was a physical thing i think it was the mind so now my junior year comes along like i'm
00:44:13.360 | still progressing as a player i'm still the number one player in the world but um i'm still feeling my
00:44:18.080 | back senior year comes along same thing i'm playing under brandon rory we're the best team in the
00:44:22.320 | country i'm the best player but my back is still bothering me every day i'm starting to get like
00:44:26.800 | so you're still being the number so you're still maintaining the number one spot and i'm like every
00:44:32.640 | day and you're not at 100 percent that's actually crazy right there i know like there was a lot of
00:44:38.000 | stiffness in my back but then i committed to mizzou and i remember i kept during this whole time trying
00:44:44.400 | to see different therapists different chiropractors and all these things i saw one chiropractor at mizzou and
00:44:49.600 | they did some weird crack on my back and then the pain went from like my back to down my leg and
00:44:54.400 | i'm sure you've talked to like ben or people that have been in that situation where they get that
00:44:59.200 | nerve pain i started to get this weird nerve pain but the doctor the chiropractor said that's just new
00:45:04.160 | muscles turning on so i let that i let that ride out for a few days but the first game at mizzou sold
00:45:09.840 | out crowd is in three days and i'm dealing with this weird nerve pain and then like i'm waking up
00:45:15.280 | every day and my leg looks like it's getting a little small like it's atrophying like the damn
00:45:19.520 | so now i'm going into this this first game in mizzou and i'm like i'm expected to put on show you
00:45:25.920 | know when i committed to mizzou the attendance of the school rose by thousands just because of my
00:45:30.480 | commitment so i'm feeling all this pressure to perform but my leg isn't working right i'm trying
00:45:34.320 | to jump and i'm i'm not getting off the ground really and so i tell my dad in the warm-ups of that
00:45:39.680 | game like yo dad like i can't i can't play like i don't know what's going on with my leg and my back
00:45:44.800 | but i i can't jump in warm-ups like i don't know what's going on and so they told me i had to start
00:45:50.320 | the game because it was a big tv production and they already had the starting lineup yeah um ready so i
00:45:55.120 | had to start the game and i came out a minute into the game and that was my pretty much my college
00:46:00.080 | experience so then i get on the phone with my agent and i'm like because he's watching the game
00:46:06.720 | expecting and then he's um he tells me to try to walk on my heels a certain way and i can't do it
00:46:12.320 | on the on that left side right because that nerve was damaged it wasn't sending the signal down to
00:46:16.640 | my muscle which was the reason for the for the atrophying um so i end up getting it having to get
00:46:22.560 | that first surgery that month later um and then from there you know i didn't know how to rehab it
00:46:27.840 | properly ended up getting my second surgery once i got drafted by by denver and this is a whole drawn-out
00:46:32.880 | story but at this point i've had three back surgeries i've had to learn how to go through
00:46:38.800 | each one of these and figure out my body a little bit more just to try to stay healthy
00:46:42.880 | and try to like compensate for different movements and different ways that i would naturally like to
00:46:47.920 | flow and play but because of the injuries i've had to adjust no player i feel like in the history of
00:46:54.400 | the nba has had to compensate and learn how to be effective in different ways essentially play
00:46:59.520 | different like playing what your mind wants to sometimes yeah literally like on the court people
00:47:04.320 | be like why aren't you smiling why aren't you like getting hype when you make a three why aren't you
00:47:08.880 | whatever and it's literally because i'm having to think about so many technicalities and how i i can't
00:47:13.920 | just lose myself in the game and just that's actually crazy i have to think so much more than i used to
00:47:19.760 | which um you know it goes back to those things where you gotta you gotta choose the things you're
00:47:25.600 | gonna be grateful for and you have to reflect and at this point in my life i always talk about you know
00:47:30.720 | at this point i can genuinely look back on some of those hard experiences and look at them as a blessing
00:47:35.840 | but my story is very unique i haven't really told it to the to the world in the way that i would like to
00:47:42.240 | like in detail because people won't understand they'll just but it's it's tough that's why i
00:47:47.360 | brought up ben because i just feel for him because like it's not like he wants to be in a situation not
00:47:52.080 | like he doesn't want to play basketball he went through some very similar things that i went through
00:47:56.400 | and i know how hard that is and people act like he just doesn't want to go hoop i know no and that's
00:48:02.160 | that's not that's not the case right that's not the case no um yeah even this past year uh like six
00:48:09.440 | in the morning we would begin working he was trying to get back right um yeah and he did his body wasn't
00:48:19.600 | right his body wasn't right when you have the fans they make their own narrative and it's just like
00:48:27.760 | you know what's strange though people talk we were just talking about the mind the way i've the way
00:48:32.400 | these last few seasons i missed no games because my back this past year i played 79 games i missed
00:48:37.840 | three because of a little hamstring thing the year before that i played 81 games the only game i didn't
00:48:42.560 | play was because of i forgot like the the team forgot my right the right shoes okay so i would
00:48:48.000 | have played 82. the way that i got my back to be stable and to be healthy had nothing to do with
00:48:55.120 | um doing the right recovery doing the right stuff in the weight room that had a part to play it
00:48:58.560 | literally was the mind it literally was learning how to we hold we i used to think it was so taboo
00:49:05.200 | when they would say that you could hold fear and hold different emotions in your tissues in your body
00:49:09.920 | some people holding their neck or some people get migraines or some people when i learned how to
00:49:14.640 | release these like repressed emotions and this tension that i hold in my body my back never had an issue
00:49:19.680 | yeah that that that's deep and then that's so true though it's so that is that the power of the mind
00:49:25.840 | it really is way more powerful than yeah than even we think like yeah even like we're talking about it
00:49:34.800 | now and i think it's even more powerful than that because it has to do with not only your physical body
00:49:39.680 | but also like what you were talking about when you go through a shooting slump how do you handle that
00:49:44.080 | mentally it doesn't have to do with your physical mechanics a lot of time it has to do with what
00:49:48.400 | you're what you're holding in your your mind and stuff so that's a whole other conversation we can
00:49:52.640 | have i actually had a brain expert on here that we uh that we haven't released the episode yet but
00:49:58.720 | following this episode like i'll probably put that one out you definitely should that'd be fire
00:50:03.040 | um i know i've kept you here for a while but for you last couple questions like when do you see
00:50:08.960 | yourself kind of transitioning from this training role and like when what do you see as being next
00:50:15.680 | for you once that happens i feel like you're probably a basketball junkie wants to do it 20 more years
00:50:20.000 | yeah so i mean in the moment now like i'm riding it out while i can you know make this brand money
00:50:26.880 | like if i'm in a situation where i don't have to go to the player and be like give him some crazy
00:50:32.880 | invoice like i don't have to do that i'm in a blessed situation where these companies i can make my money
00:50:38.480 | through these companies i can work with the players that i genuinely want to work with and i have genuine
00:50:43.360 | relationships with and so as long as i can do that i know that's not going to last forever i'm mindful
00:50:49.680 | that as you get older you're not as cool i understand life so i'm going to ride out the
00:50:55.280 | wave that i'm on right now and um once that day comes then i don't know maybe i'll get back into
00:51:01.840 | nba coaching um maybe college coaching something like that but right now i'm just going to ride it out
00:51:08.960 | that's fire leave the audience with one last thing because i i really respect your kind of journey
00:51:15.280 | like kind of like self-made and and really you made this whole brand and your whole life based
00:51:22.400 | on the relationships you made and the work ethic you had and the consistency so i feel like a lot of
00:51:27.520 | people especially in this day and age that are so caught up in looking at other people's lives through a
00:51:32.720 | phone they need they need some some words of wisdom and some like motivation and inspiration for people
00:51:40.320 | that come from nothing you spent times being homeless and now you made it to where you are today so just
00:51:46.960 | leave leave leave a little tidbit of wisdom for yeah i would just say just consistency i would say
00:51:52.800 | you know whether someone just learns about my story now it took 10 years of like
00:52:01.040 | not being comfortable of uh eating rum and noodles uh for dinner for so many years um just like being
00:52:10.640 | uncomfortable but i knew what i loved i knew i loved basketball and so just find something you love
00:52:16.960 | don't do it for the money and just grind it out like literally grind it out find something you love
00:52:24.800 | be a good person grind it out and have faith thank god and i think good things will happen see where
00:52:32.000 | it takes you that's why words and this is really as simple as that um people are complicated but it's
00:52:38.000 | very simple and i like what you said find that passion find something you have a passion for that
00:52:42.160 | you love and then from there it's the consistency and the growth and spending time at it every day and
00:52:46.960 | attacking it from different angles and and then you know you can end up somewhere like where you're at
00:52:53.200 | man but this has been an amazing episode i i haven't sat down and talked like hoop in a while because
00:52:58.960 | with this podcast i like to branch off and do not for sure it's dope though i've watched it i've
00:53:03.760 | watched almost all of them and i think what you're doing is dope that's fine man but it was an honor
00:53:08.400 | to have you on bro and i appreciate you my guy yes sir thank you curious mike out y'all