back to indexE47: Facebook's week from hell, Ellen Pao on sexism in Elizabeth Holmes coverage, Newsom wins & more
Chapters
0:0 Besties intro, TPB Symposium recap, rapid generations in tech
7:0 UBI, incentives for success, social safety nets
19:45 Newsom's recall victory in California, where the GOP went wrong
33:59 Facebook's week from hell, Instagram's harmful impact on teen girls
42:42 How to properly regulate social media's impact on certain groups
64:46 Pentagon admits to killing 10 Afghan civilians (including seven children) in drone strike
67:17 Ellen Pao on sexism around the Elizabeth Holmes trial; Juicero, JUUL, and other male-led failures/frauds
85:54 Mailchimp sells for $12B, employees got no equity
89:43 AOC at the Met Gala
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where were you on thursday were you here in l.a i was at home i i got i got family to do 00:00:06.480 |
well family have you met him what were they like 00:00:09.440 |
are they everything you expected i had to meet i had to meet the new kid he's 19. what's his major 00:00:28.640 |
and instead we open sourced it to the fans and they've just gone crazy 00:00:35.280 |
hey everybody welcome to another episode of the all in podcast yes we made it to episode 47 00:00:46.160 |
in three episodes it'll be episode 50. no plans to do anything other than 00:00:50.400 |
just try to record this every week for you the loyal audience with us again 00:00:55.520 |
coming off an amazing event a live event on monday uh tuesday and i don't know if it went into wednesday 00:01:01.760 |
but david freberg's the production board event we recorded our first live all in it seems like it 00:01:08.320 |
went uh well on an av basis and the audience seemed to enjoy it what was the feedback 00:01:12.080 |
freberg so you know half the room were scientists and they'd never heard of this podcast before 00:01:17.600 |
and they were like what the hell did we just show up to it's like these who are these four guys on 00:01:23.200 |
stage drinking this wine talking about politics for an hour and a half um but and dropping f-bombs 00:01:29.360 |
and dropping f-bombs and uh there was a little bit of kind of seasoning we had to do afterwards 00:01:34.720 |
to get everyone kind of comfortable but no actually it was fantastic people loved it you 00:01:38.320 |
guys were the highlight um and i thought it was super fun to do that in person i don't know what 00:01:42.320 |
you guys thought it's cool energy it's super cool it was great and with us again of course uh david 00:01:49.040 |
sax the rain man himself and the dictator chamath palihapitiya 00:01:52.000 |
and with us again of course uh david sax the rain man himself and the dictator chamath palihapitiya 00:01:52.000 |
and with us again of course uh david sax the rain man himself and the dictator chamath palihapitiya 00:01:52.000 |
and with us again of course uh david sax the rain man himself and the dictator chamath palihapitiya 00:01:52.000 |
and with us again of course uh david sax the rain man himself and the dictator chamath palihapitiya 00:01:53.680 |
what did you think uh uh sax of the live event format 00:01:58.080 |
uh obviously half the audience were fans of the show half warrant 00:02:01.840 |
which is i better than putting people randomly into it but i 00:02:06.000 |
i'm glad that the people who are not fans of or have never heard of the show 00:02:09.440 |
didn't walk out we didn't have walkouts so that was good 00:02:13.120 |
yeah i mean look we were slightly more palatable to them than andrew dice clay 00:02:20.400 |
it was a good change of pace i mean i think some people commented that the lighting the production 00:02:31.440 |
it was a good change of pace i mean i think some people commented that the lighting the production 00:02:35.440 |
values weren't that great they seemed fine to us at the time but i think it was a good change of 00:02:40.000 |
pace i mean i think some people commented that the lighting the production values weren't that great 00:02:45.280 |
they seemed fine to us at the time but i think it was a good change of pace i mean i think some 00:02:48.240 |
weren't that great. They seemed fine to us at the time. But so 00:02:52.320 |
we're gonna have to do better on that next time. And other 00:02:54.300 |
people speculated that we took we're easier on each other in 00:02:57.420 |
terms of debating topics because we were in person. I didn't 00:03:00.220 |
feel that while sitting there. But you guys tell me if you 00:03:04.380 |
I thought we got a better read on each other in person, and we 00:03:08.000 |
had more dialogue than we normally would over resume. I 00:03:12.300 |
I think so. And then I kind of liked the evening podcast, the 00:03:17.040 |
glass of wine. There's something about it. Like you're just like 00:03:19.680 |
a little landing. Yeah, coming in for a nice evening the pale 00:03:23.800 |
little cards after it could be a thing it could definitely 00:03:27.120 |
good. I could definitely make Harlan 2012 a regular part of 00:03:31.140 |
taping this pod. The problem is we taped too early on a Friday, 00:03:34.000 |
right? If we could change the taping to like, happy hour or 00:03:38.420 |
Oh my god, Harlan 2012. What is that's a good bottle of wine. 00:03:46.680 |
Pretending that one pretending to be that's the it's the one 00:03:50.080 |
with the round label. I know it. I know I'm looking at it right 00:03:54.080 |
now. Oh my lord. Some of those go up in value. Those things are 00:03:57.180 |
us looks like as high as you guys think we could do a pod 00:03:59.700 |
where we like record after playing poker for two hours. So 00:04:02.700 |
you're too into the wine and poker and then you record 00:04:05.160 |
wouldn't work. No way. There'd be two I think the wine. Yes, 00:04:08.700 |
poker. No. Yeah. I think for a first time, the audio was great. 00:04:16.320 |
99% of consumption happens that way. To do like a line of 00:04:21.700 |
For all comment, you know, it was my going blind actually got 00:04:26.340 |
up and fix that like no one else of the crew, you know, the 00:04:28.860 |
dozens of people working there did anything about it. My wife 00:04:34.620 |
Be nowhere in life. She's she's a great person. What was the 00:04:38.580 |
empty seat about between me and Chamath? I mean, there was an 00:04:41.380 |
event that was if we wanted to bring up a guest. So 00:04:46.260 |
piece of paper are quote unquote besties did not show up on 00:04:48.960 |
time. Yeah, right. Exactly. No, Bill girl. They all showed up at 00:04:58.200 |
The back channel was sky Dayton and somebody else waited outside 00:05:03.260 |
because they knew they might get pulled up. I got that from I 00:05:08.580 |
Yeah, it's your first time seeing his name on the 00:05:10.520 |
no, he's not gonna want his name mentioned. Are you kidding me? 00:05:14.340 |
But on my pocket, but on this week, it starts as well. Yeah, 00:05:16.240 |
I guess. That was the last press appearance he did was 11 years 00:05:20.020 |
ago. He literally does not I mean, everybody knows who sky 00:05:24.700 |
everybody of our generation, but it's amazing how, you know, 00:05:29.320 |
quickly, the tech, the tech crowd, you know, moves on. So 00:05:33.400 |
true. There's a there's a famous story actually, when when Mark 00:05:36.640 |
Andreessen met Mark Zuckerberg for the first time, the Zuckerberg 00:05:40.420 |
didn't know that, you know, Andreessen had created Netscape. 00:05:45.880 |
I think he said something like I created mosaic. And he's like, 00:05:49.100 |
Oh, right, right. Yeah, yeah. So it's like, yeah, look in the 00:05:53.700 |
tech industry, we're all concerned about the future. No 00:05:57.040 |
Do you feel like last generations, entrepreneurs and 00:06:01.600 |
Well, some of us are still currently creating things 00:06:14.740 |
We are anti-promotion rules, but I have recently launched a new product. 00:06:23.300 |
But there's not a lot of long careers in Silicon Valley. A lot of people have... 00:06:32.900 |
If you have asymmetric success, you have these big bursts, and then it's a different life. 00:06:40.740 |
You don't go push again for the next hard entrepreneurial project. 00:06:43.860 |
Typically, not everyone obviously. And then you end up seeing a generation die out. 00:06:49.220 |
Web 1.0 and Web 2.0. And then you don't see them again. 00:06:56.260 |
I think there's a lot of truth to that. And I worry about this with my own kids that I think 00:07:02.740 |
deprivation creates motivation. Especially to do something as hard as create a company, 00:07:13.780 |
- Harry Tudea: No, no. I mean, look, I think, you know-- 00:07:28.440 |
that sort of became famous when Elon then repeated it, 00:07:34.940 |
And it is really hard to create these companies 00:07:38.220 |
and so not a lot of people want to do it again 00:07:42.660 |
And, you know, it does take a certain amount of, 00:07:46.780 |
like I said, deprivation, you know, to do this stuff. 00:07:49.920 |
- Which is why giving everybody the participation trophy 00:07:52.280 |
and trying to make people's lives as easy as possible. 00:07:56.080 |
you don't want to deprive people on the one hand, 00:07:58.860 |
but on the other hand, it does often lead to good things. 00:08:06.660 |
If people believe that, you know, they have UBI 00:08:09.900 |
or the government's going to take care of them, 00:08:12.660 |
I would be fine with UBI, you know, everybody getting a little bit of money. 00:08:16.340 |
And if it was a safety net, the only thing I worry about is, 00:08:19.000 |
it seems like a little bit of money, if you're clever, 00:08:23.460 |
And then what happens to those people in society, right? 00:08:27.940 |
because what you do is you kick out the bottom rungs of the ladder 00:08:31.320 |
of economic success when you basically pay able-bodied people not to work. 00:08:35.740 |
I mean, those entry-level jobs that may not pay much better than the UBI 00:08:46.420 |
And we've already seen in California, we've been doing this. 00:08:48.600 |
- UBI is not going to pay you to go to college, 00:08:56.080 |
You know, there's all kinds of examples where in history, 00:08:58.480 |
we've used, you know, entry-level jobs as exactly as they're meant to be, 00:09:02.520 |
an entry-level opportunity, an on-ramp to work your ass off 00:09:07.680 |
If you all of a sudden let people opt out of it, then it's going to be a very,