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Welcome to radical personal finance a show dedicated to providing you with the knowledge skills insights and encouragement 00:00:04.880 |
You need to live a rich and meaningful life now while building a plan for financial freedom in ten years or less 00:00:10.820 |
My name is Joshua sheets today. I'm going to continue this series 00:00:15.280 |
called my biggest financial mistakes my biggest financial mistakes again, I've 00:00:22.040 |
Done a lot of introspection and analysis over the past six to twelve months in my own life, and I've made a list 00:00:29.200 |
It's quite long of my personal biggest financial mistakes the things that have cost me more money than 00:00:38.360 |
I've been sharing those with you little by little and in no particular order just in the order that I feel like I want to 00:00:47.920 |
Mistake is is actually quite simple. It is simply this 00:00:56.800 |
One of my biggest financial mistakes has been 00:01:15.240 |
Think here a little bit of background will help you to understand this. I 00:01:21.360 |
Could have also titled this particular podcast 00:01:26.320 |
Episode how I feel like I've been bamboozled by the financial independence movement 00:01:36.360 |
Quite a while to work through and experience enough to be sure of what I'm actually saying to you 00:01:51.600 |
Wanted to be financially independent I wanted to be financially free and 00:01:56.920 |
I spent time reading things and listening to people who promised financial freedom 00:02:04.360 |
Who promised that I would be able to achieve my goals? 00:02:08.760 |
I read personal finance literature and personal finance literature taught me that if I would put money in my IRAs and 00:02:15.960 |
contribute faithfully and invested into stocks that someday I would be a 00:02:19.640 |
Wealthy millionaire and have a lot of money and then I would be able to retire I read 00:02:26.120 |
literature and things that that people talked about that helped me to have that goal of financial independence and while I've 00:02:32.160 |
personally made fun of and pilloried for many years the 00:02:43.920 |
The idea that even though I made fun of it right the Merrill Lynch ad with the gray-haired couple walking calmly down the beach 00:02:51.520 |
I made fun of it. I still it was still held in my mind as a vision 00:03:00.560 |
as I worked my way through the world of employment, I 00:03:03.720 |
Systematically grew to want it more I started as a teenager 00:03:09.920 |
Consuming mainstream personal finance books that talked about the value of retirement in your mid-60s 00:03:21.800 |
Financial services in 2008 I joined a financial services company 00:03:27.820 |
I started selling life insurance disability insurance long-term care insurance. I got my securities license. I started selling investments 00:03:35.120 |
Became a financial advisor and started doing comprehensive holistic financial planning at the time 00:03:40.720 |
And when I was doing that I was working in a business model that was structured 00:03:51.560 |
understanding of retirement and so I of course had those goals one of the ways that the company that I worked for attracted me was 00:03:57.520 |
by talking about their pension programs and I I knew people that 00:04:05.080 |
Lifestyle, it seemed awesome. It looked awesome 00:04:09.000 |
And so I worked at that then along the way I became exposed to what is now known as the fire movement 00:04:19.880 |
More money then I could reach my goals even faster 00:04:26.080 |
Discovered the idea that I didn't have to wait until I was 65 to retire that I could retire 00:04:31.800 |
perhaps 35 or 45 or 50 or 30 or 25 if I worked really hard and 00:04:41.040 |
Discovered those concepts they became very very attractive to me and 00:04:46.920 |
I started to work on those and I started to save and I started to really 00:04:53.000 |
Invest myself into that approach and I've shared with you many of those ideas here at radical personal finance 00:04:59.800 |
Along the way I discovered what I considered to be an even faster path. The faster path was 00:05:06.720 |
Entrepreneurship as I was working through my own 00:05:12.280 |
planning I thought well, why should I wait and 00:05:16.640 |
Wait to be a millionaire and just save and invest to become a millionaire 00:05:21.600 |
when I could live a millionaire's lifestyle with the right kind of lifestyle business and 00:05:27.280 |
I started building a lifestyle business now at the beginning it was radical personal finance 00:05:33.640 |
it has since been radical personal finance, but I do some other things as well and 00:05:37.680 |
my goal along the way was to build a lifestyle business and 00:05:46.400 |
Said lifestyle business was six figures from a laptop 00:05:49.720 |
because I thought what are all the things that I would do if I were financially independent and I created this vision this this goal of 00:05:59.080 |
I engaged in these visioning exercises and I I thought it through and I became very clear on how I would live my life 00:06:05.680 |
And I thought if I make six figures from a laptop with a very small 00:06:18.720 |
That's that's that's never been a priority of mine, but I always wanted just to work a little bit, right? 00:06:24.400 |
But maybe 24 hours a week seems pretty ideal for me for 24 hour 20 hours 24 hours a week 00:06:29.840 |
Four days a week six hours a day. However, you slice it right for years 00:06:33.880 |
I've wanted to and plan done actually to a good degree 00:06:37.720 |
I haven't done it purposefully but work three months on take a month off work three months on take a month off 00:06:46.040 |
Kind of 50% effort 50% lifestyle because it has seemed to me to promise all of the things that I have wanted 00:06:53.240 |
You know the the personal goals of things like not having to set an alarm clock to wake up in the morning 00:06:58.600 |
Being able to live wherever I want in the world not having a tremendous having tremendous time freedom 00:07:03.600 |
I don't like to be constrained by a calendar where I have to be places at a certain time 00:07:07.960 |
And so this these these at least we're all have always been the elements of kind of my dream life of how I would like 00:07:16.760 |
Part of that has also been that I wanted minimal stress 00:07:19.760 |
Having had employees in the past. I determined I don't want to have employees. I don't want to have to 00:07:34.280 |
Employees and I said, okay, I don't want that. And so I've I've over time I've made decisions 00:07:40.560 |
I could have expanded and hired employees. I didn't want to do it. I also 00:07:43.720 |
didn't want the responsibility right when you take responsibility of 00:07:47.640 |
Paying people money then when you run out of money 00:07:51.600 |
It it hurts a lot more when you know that other families are 00:07:56.080 |
Relying on you and on your work. It's a tremendous amount of pressure 00:08:01.240 |
I've always been pretty capable and never worried too much about running out of money for myself because I've got lots of backup plans 00:08:07.720 |
But then of course you have people working for you and you observe and you think it's gonna hurt them a lot worse than it 00:08:12.800 |
Hurts me and it it's a big responsibility. And so I said I don't want that and 00:08:22.840 |
Told myself and I that it was awesome because it is it is right 00:08:27.400 |
There's no there's no arguing that it's it's nice to have a lifestyle business 00:08:31.040 |
it really is and I've told myself that that would be kind of the the ultimate that was as that was as big as as 00:08:39.520 |
It was as big as I could see right that was as big as I could see but what I have realized over the past 00:08:46.400 |
Especially is that that's always been a selfish goal. It's always been about me 00:08:55.200 |
about me and what has happened is when you have at least when I have when I have had as 00:09:08.840 |
About making it too big some people don't worry about that 00:09:13.800 |
But there are some people aren't affected by that, but I personally have have have often been 00:09:19.720 |
Affected by that right? Maybe you want to have a nice car 00:09:22.180 |
Well, I look at it and I find it hard to justify why I should want the nicest car in the world 00:09:35.680 |
But maybe I want a nicer car. Well, how much of a nicer car do I want? Do I want a Toyota Corolla? 00:09:45.800 |
Do I want a Ferrari or do I want a Bugatti right? 00:09:48.880 |
There's a big difference between these vehicles and you look at it and you think well, I don't really 00:09:53.800 |
Not really a Bugatti guy. I don't I don't even fit in those most of those supercars. Although to be fair 00:10:00.120 |
I haven't tested them all maybe there's one that's big enough for me 00:10:02.560 |
And so you think that's not really me and then what's the goal is the goal to have one or is the goal to have? 00:10:07.660 |
A fleet is the goal to have 15 of them and some people have that that sense of ambition that sense of desire that that 00:10:14.680 |
Endless lust for more more consumption, but I've never really had that 00:10:19.800 |
partly due to my background partly due to my worldview partly due to my 00:10:25.560 |
Looking at that and just consciously saying like this is stupid. Why not be content? 00:10:36.120 |
Channel John Bogle right with enough or to channel the scriptures right godliness and contentment is great gain 00:10:45.840 |
I've cultivated a sense of contentment. And so what I've told myself is 00:10:52.000 |
Philosophically, all right if Joshua if you're content and then you have enough you have enough money 00:10:57.880 |
I've never I've not found myself limited much by lack of money 00:11:02.680 |
And so you should just enjoy enjoy take your make your 24-hour work week and and go with it 00:11:10.720 |
That has resulted in my producing last that has resulted in my working less because I've often been under motivated to 00:11:32.600 |
Have finally become willing to embrace a sense of responsibility 00:11:44.000 |
I have embraced on a deeper way than ever before 00:11:56.440 |
Have been given much and therefore much is required of me and I'm that much that is required of me 00:12:07.160 |
For me to achieve that for me to do that. It's not enough for me to just engage in 00:12:13.720 |
Lifestyle business. It's not enough for me to engage in 00:12:18.120 |
kind of hanging out hanging out and doing just enough and 00:12:22.200 |
what a tragedy it would be for me if I wasted some of the most important years and 00:12:36.000 |
Now it's taken a while for me to be willing to say that without hedging in a public way 00:13:00.560 |
I don't wish to condemn others for the decisions that they have made 00:13:04.240 |
I I've said I don't I haven't quite gotten it for a number of years 00:13:08.440 |
But I have often felt like I need to try it out 00:13:12.440 |
Who am I to criticize someone else for the decisions they make if I haven't tried it out and the more that I have tried 00:13:18.960 |
It out the more I have realized it's it's it's not for me. It's not fulfilling. It's not 00:13:24.840 |
I wish I could have learned this at an early age 00:13:30.200 |
one of the jobs that I've had in my life that is just 00:13:33.360 |
Taught me this lesson and gave me a good reference point when I was in high school 00:13:39.640 |
I had a job working in an office for a friend of mine and 00:13:43.200 |
He was giving a high school student a summer job 00:13:46.160 |
and so he just basically brought me into the office and told his office manager here have Joshua work for you and 00:13:55.800 |
Didn't quite know what to do with me. She hadn't necessarily been looking for an employee 00:14:03.520 |
Job, and so they kind of gave me some things to do but not a lot and at the time 00:14:09.640 |
I could come into work every day and I was supposed to answer the phone 00:14:12.880 |
But the phone very rarely rang and there were a few errands that I could run for them 00:14:16.800 |
But they didn't really embrace the idea of teaching me a lot or training me a lot 00:14:20.960 |
And so I've sat at the desk and I read novels all day every day. I 00:14:26.680 |
Love to read novels. I had great novels to read but I felt like I was useless. I felt like what's the point? 00:14:33.960 |
I learned that just because something is fun doesn't mean that that's what you want to do all all the time doing something 00:14:44.720 |
Break from the work and I've had other experiences that have shown that to me, but I think I was still 00:14:55.480 |
Engaged with the idea that well, maybe it's just that I didn't have enough autonomy, right? 00:15:03.680 |
Maybe it would have been fun if I hadn't had to stay in the office, right? 00:15:08.920 |
maybe that maybe it was fun maybe reading novels would have been more fun if I could go to the cigar lounge every day and 00:15:14.840 |
Smoke cigars and read my novels there from 10 a.m. To 4 p.m 00:15:19.880 |
And maybe it would be fun if I didn't have to worry about paying 15 bucks for a stick of tobacco 00:15:24.680 |
Because I had so much money and I was actually financially independent and it would be fine 00:15:28.880 |
and so I've I've had these lessons along the way thus my 00:15:36.240 |
Many aspects of the financial independence movement, but I've often wondered maybe I just haven't experienced enough 00:15:41.140 |
Maybe I just don't have enough money. Maybe it's different if I had a couple million bucks 00:15:45.660 |
Maybe it'd be different if I were in a different society a place that I liked more 00:15:49.560 |
Maybe it would be different if I had a nicer house 00:15:51.460 |
Maybe it would be different if my my personal hedonism were or more appropriate to me and the way that I want to live 00:16:20.100 |
pursuing lifestyle just well if I could just get a little bit have a little bit more money or have a little bit more freedom 00:16:34.140 |
Then I'll be able to do it, but I don't find it. I don't find it enjoyable 00:16:51.700 |
Those activities those lifestyle pursuit activities are most rewarding 00:17:06.380 |
For your other moments of work and of contribution and of service 00:17:11.820 |
An ice-cold drink is best after a long day's work 00:17:34.740 |
philosophical introspection and by practical experience for me to be willing to 00:17:45.860 |
Lifestyle so-called lifestyle to the extent that it costs me service 00:17:52.240 |
How does this relate to money why is this a financial mistake well because when I have pursued lifestyle I have always 00:18:11.380 |
$50,000 a year or a hundred thousand dollars a year. Well, then enough is 00:18:15.620 |
25 times your expenses and so two and a half million bucks in the bank. Boom 00:18:20.500 |
You're good. Fifty thousand dollars a year two and a half million bucks in the bank. You're financially independent 00:18:37.580 |
Totally messed up. You know what? I mean? I was alluding the 4% rule. Forgive me 00:18:42.020 |
The math totally totally did not come out right there 00:18:58.420 |
The point is that you're always looking at it saying was just just enough right just enough 00:19:03.320 |
so I need just enough and while I don't deny that contentment is a virtue that I wish to 00:19:10.860 |
That I wish to appreciate I think that contentment 00:19:16.300 |
can be seen can be something that keeps people from pursuing more and that the pursuit of more is 00:19:30.500 |
fundamentally an important part of the human condition I 00:19:35.380 |
Still struggle to put this into words. I've thought about this concept for 00:19:42.900 |
Months and months and months and months and I don't know how to 00:19:46.420 |
Express it more clearly. I've written it out for myself. I've thought it out. I've talked it out 00:19:51.220 |
I'm doing it publicly, but if I were to put it into a concise 00:19:59.620 |
There are some things in life that don't get old 00:20:13.500 |
Deeper connection with people that you love and care about I don't find that that gets old 00:20:28.380 |
What you're doing enjoy where you are while looking forward to experiencing more if you gather your 00:20:35.700 |
good friends around your table and you share a great meal together full of 00:20:42.860 |
amazing food and fun conversation and rich connection 00:20:50.060 |
So thankful for the depths of relationship that you have enjoyed and the love that you have shared with one another 00:20:56.700 |
Looking forward to the next time of being able to do more of that 00:21:00.260 |
There are other things in life that are the same way you do a lot of it and 00:21:22.700 |
Goofing off or doing all the things that you want to do 00:21:26.060 |
there are other things in life that are best in moderation and I guess what I have I 00:21:31.740 |
Guess what has become very clear to me over the past few years 00:21:43.020 |
That's what and and and that life and by lifestyle here. I mean if you pursue 00:21:48.220 |
Disengagement if you pursue I'm just gonna hang out 00:21:52.220 |
It's not one of those things that can be done more of without damage 00:21:58.900 |
It's rather one of those things that is wonderful in small doses 00:22:03.340 |
Whereas service work you can do more you can serve more effectively you can work harder 00:22:11.100 |
That's one of those things that is like love like relationships. That's one of those things that can go deeper on 00:22:17.220 |
So what does this mean practically? How am I correcting this particular thing? 00:22:35.160 |
some of my personal freedom some of my lifestyle and 00:22:38.640 |
A in order to work more and to be able to serve others more in various ways 00:22:44.160 |
much of this related to business, but not all but I'm willing to 00:22:48.480 |
Give up some of my freedoms and give up some of my 00:22:55.120 |
Part of this has to do with a recent travels. I started traveling and for some reason it was kind of a mini retirement 00:23:02.160 |
You'll notice I said was I have ended for now our 00:23:05.960 |
Global tour. I ended it prematurely for the moment because of the 00:23:14.840 |
partly due to my not being able to get into some of the places that I'm very keen to get into at the moment partly 00:23:20.320 |
Due to just the frustration of dealing with it. There's nothing that'll break a father's heart 00:23:28.240 |
Subjected to invasive medical testing that is not fun 00:23:32.680 |
and now if it's necessary you do it because you know, that's what's best for them, but I just 00:23:36.240 |
So tired of seeing my two-year-old my four-year-old my six-year-old and my eight-year-old. It's not such a big deal 00:23:41.920 |
But just seeing them cry with having swabs stuck in their noses so we can get on an airplane 00:23:46.240 |
It's brutal and I'm I don't want to do it anymore 00:23:49.440 |
So part of his Kovan partly also is that Asia is still shut down 00:23:54.560 |
I was planning to be in Asia this winter and the places that I want to go 00:23:57.840 |
I can't get into and so I've ended our travels for now 00:24:02.960 |
I've rented a house back in the United States. I've moved back to the United States 00:24:09.100 |
But for now in order for me to serve people effectively, I can't be across the border. It's just too difficult 00:24:15.080 |
I haven't been able to to do things that are important because of the the difficulties with the travel restrictions 00:24:24.840 |
I'm in the process of moving my family back into that house. And one of the things that I'm doing with it is I'm simply 00:24:36.920 |
To work now. I'll share with you. Honestly, what is 00:24:41.200 |
You know what my experience is with that but what I mean by I'm committing myself to work is I'm giving up on 00:24:50.200 |
The the freedom the I don't want to work too much. I'm giving up on the I don't want employees 00:24:57.280 |
I'm gonna hire employees. I'm going to take on that responsibility again. I'm gonna take on calendar appointments again 00:25:04.640 |
I'm gonna do those things and because I don't want to 00:25:09.280 |
Sorry to steal this from other people, but I don't want to die with my music still in me and I feel like the pursuit 00:25:15.400 |
As I have pursued quote-unquote what I'm calling the financial independence lifestyle 00:25:26.840 |
And so I'm grateful that I have had the chance to try it out 00:25:31.040 |
I'm one who likes to test things. I'm one who likes to verify things 00:25:34.880 |
I'm one who likes to know for my for myself is the pot actually hot 00:25:40.680 |
I see so much of me in him you'll tell him something and he just wants to see wants to find out for himself 00:25:46.240 |
And so I'm grateful that I've had the good fortune to be able to try things for myself 00:25:52.160 |
But I believe that there is more fulfillment in working 00:25:58.040 |
Than there is in resting. I believe that there is more fulfillment in service 00:26:04.080 |
Than in being served. I believe that there is more 00:26:15.080 |
Labor and growth and impact rather than a lifestyle that 00:26:29.040 |
How does this apply financially well if you're going to work and if you're gonna serve then that means that 00:26:41.160 |
As long as you're not as long as you are working in an area where money is 00:26:45.080 |
Where money is exchanged as a measurement of value? 00:26:48.580 |
My wife her work with my children is not measured in terms of value 00:26:59.200 |
you might have an aged parent that you are caring for or an ailing relative that you're caring for and those 00:27:05.640 |
Though that that hard work that labor is not going to be denominated in 00:27:14.440 |
Most areas of labor can effectively be denominated in financial time terms and the more people that you serve the more money that you make 00:27:22.360 |
And so it's been good for me to experience the things that I have experienced 00:27:27.840 |
I've enjoyed our little mini retirement over the past few months traveling the world and taking my children and doing cool things 00:27:40.320 |
Want at this point? I want more work and I want 00:27:44.040 |
More service more labor more responsibility more impact 00:27:50.880 |
Much more than I want more personal freedom more lifestyle, etc 00:28:00.080 |
Well, Joshua, do you need to change things that you've said publicly? Are there any? 00:28:05.640 |
Episodes of radical personal finance that you need to repudiate. Is there anything that you need to adjust? 00:28:23.360 |
The pursuit of financial independence. It doesn't have to be at odds with 00:28:26.640 |
financial independence, you know financial independence versus 00:28:33.360 |
Having personal freedom has to be at odds with saying well, I I I'm willing to give up personal freedom 00:28:40.520 |
In fact for years I have said I believe that those who? 00:28:47.840 |
You value the though the people who seem to have the strongest 00:28:56.920 |
Know the opportunities that they're giving up. For example, let's think of a relationships, right? 00:29:03.240 |
maybe I'm let's say that I come into a relationship and and 00:29:15.320 |
physically handicapped and just emotionally incompetent and I'm a jerk to all around me, etc 00:29:21.720 |
And then by magic someday I find a woman who says, you know what? 00:29:26.560 |
I'll accept you Joshua and is willing to go into a relationship with me 00:29:35.240 |
How's she gonna feel knowing that she was the only one in the world who was willing to accept me and my brutish? 00:29:42.920 |
Personality and my ugly behavior and my boorish mannerisms, etc 00:29:47.720 |
it'd be very different in terms of her confidence in my love for her if she knows that I'm 00:29:55.560 |
Someone who was attractive physically attractive emotionally attractive 00:30:03.680 |
Then I chose to enter into a relationship with her. That's gonna put a very different 00:30:10.960 |
feeling on you if you're chosen to do something versus if you're just the only person that says yes and 00:30:17.440 |
So relating that kind of same level of thinking 00:30:21.240 |
When people give up things people give up freedom then they can make a more focused decision as 00:30:29.040 |
I've taught over the past year as my survive and thrive during the coming economic crisis course where I teach internationalization always said 00:30:40.160 |
That allows you to escape from a crisis does not mean that you have to leave during the crisis 00:30:47.440 |
It's just simply to know that you have the choice to leave during the crisis and I think that a lot of us 00:30:54.720 |
Will feel better about our decisions knowing that we're making those decisions voluntarily 00:31:00.800 |
By choice rather than being forced into it. That's that's how I feel is I don't regret 00:31:08.040 |
Building additional layers of freedom for myself. I still appreciate freedom 00:31:12.600 |
I desire to to engage in a free lifestyle in the future 00:31:22.280 |
Some aspect of my own personal freedom to gain something else that I want 00:31:27.220 |
it makes me feel better doing that knowing that that's of my own choice and 00:31:33.840 |
that I'm making a conscious decision rather than feeling like it's out of my out of my grasp and so I 00:31:45.600 |
Fundamental disconnect between what I have shared 00:31:48.600 |
And what I teach and what I've articulated in this particular 00:31:53.560 |
Podcast for you for me. It's more a matter of 00:31:59.640 |
Am I willing to build a bigger business am I willing to hire employees am I willing to 00:32:05.720 |
Chain myself down to some degree to one location. Am I willing to 00:32:12.480 |
To do those things. Am I willing to work outside my house? 00:32:17.480 |
Am I willing to commit to a calendar? Am I willing to get on an airplane and travel for business more, etc? And 00:32:27.360 |
I'm willing to do that then of course that will result in a far higher income and that's something that in the past I 00:32:34.200 |
Didn't want I didn't value I didn't feel it was necessary 00:32:37.400 |
I didn't want it because I didn't want the corresponding losses of freedom 00:32:41.200 |
but now I see that as I desire more service if 00:32:47.000 |
My focus is on service. It's going to require more work from me and 00:32:53.200 |
I'm willing to do that. But then of course effective service 00:33:01.960 |
So that's one of my mistakes I share that with you part of it's just a way of me telling you 00:33:08.600 |
Some of the changes why am I quitting working? Oh, I'm I quitting traveling right now 00:33:13.000 |
It's not that I can't continue to travel. It's that I feel like I'm wasting my time. I feel like I'm wasting my precious time 00:33:19.440 |
It's like okay. I've been traveling for months. I've done some work along the way, but it's like 00:33:24.760 |
What's the point? What's the point? Why just bounce from one place to another? I don't that's not 00:33:31.360 |
I've gotten antsy and frustrated because the logistics of traveling harm the logistics of working and even 00:33:43.360 |
Booked a house in France for a month getting to be able to sit down and work 00:33:46.880 |
Which is such a relief because it felt like okay, finally 00:33:49.520 |
Finally I can get some work done and I just felt felt that and so what I'm doing now is a continuation of that 00:33:58.900 |
At least on an ongoing basis setting up a household and there's this 00:34:07.760 |
Relief about doing that. It's there's an intense sense of okay. Finally I can I can stop playing around 00:34:15.200 |
I can get to work and it feels really good in my head to be willing to do that. I 00:34:25.480 |
It's good to get a chance to to take a break, right if you're feeling like Josh 00:34:31.280 |
I've been working non-stop for 10 years. I appreciate that. I've served others 00:34:34.360 |
I've worked and this has been great, but I need a break take a break. Take a sabbatical take a rest 00:34:40.120 |
All right, give give yourself a rest if the land itself can benefit from being furloughed for a time 00:34:52.280 |
But then if you find that your rest period was enough don't be scared to get back to work