Leaked tapes: Sacks vs. Jason origins | All-In After Party on Callin
00:00:00.000 | What did you guys think of yesterday's all-in episode?
00:00:03.480 | I was just astonished to hear you guys fight about us for the first 15 minutes of the pod.
00:00:09.200 | And I haven't listened to the rest, frankly.
00:00:13.160 | Wait a second.
00:00:15.600 | I'll drop it at midnight.
00:00:17.660 | Well, since Jason won't talk, I'm going to jump in.
00:00:22.480 | I was super dissatisfied with Jason's performance as moderator with that last episode.
00:00:28.060 | He's back to his old ways of constant annoying interruptions, but it's not done in an even-handed way.
00:00:35.300 | You know, like I said, Jason, you missed it, so I'm going to repeat it.
00:00:38.840 | Chamath gets to go on and on, you know, casually talking.
00:00:44.240 | You know, he's wearing his linen Italian shirt with no buttons.
00:00:49.060 | And he's got all the time in the world to make his points.
00:00:51.960 | And then I speak for, like, five seconds, and I can't even – I said, look,
00:00:56.500 | I've got three points to make about everything.
00:00:58.060 | I couldn't even get through number two without you interrupting me.
00:01:02.460 | And so then, you know, Freebird complains that I'm, like, getting reduced to soundbite – soundbites.
00:01:09.120 | Well, the reason I'm reduced to fucking soundbites is you won't let me talk.
00:01:13.040 | So it's like I have to figure out what I'm going to say in the shortest possible burst
00:01:18.100 | just to, like, get my points in edgewise, you know.
00:01:22.800 | And then, by the way –
00:01:25.220 | I feel that way.
00:01:25.740 | When you're speaking on the podcast, when any of us –
00:01:28.000 | when you're speaking on the podcast, I personally also feel like there's, like, a bear trap,
00:01:30.840 | and you're waiting for the bear trap to close.
00:01:32.260 | It's Jason's mouth.
00:01:33.200 | And it's about what the next thing is going to – you know.
00:01:36.420 | Yeah, I can see you – you don't normally talk that fast in real life.
00:01:39.900 | I can see you speeding up your word speed because, you know, you've got this idiot moderator
00:01:44.980 | who's going to cut you off.
00:01:46.400 | Yeah, it makes me anxious.
00:01:48.060 | Yeah.
00:01:49.520 | Why can't I bottle on?
00:01:51.860 | Yeah, guys, go start your own fucking podcast and be solo.
00:01:55.380 | There he is.
00:01:56.180 | Yes.
00:01:57.520 | Hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, Cal, we're the stars.
00:01:59.920 | We're the stars of the podcast.
00:02:01.460 | You're just the moderator.
00:02:02.760 | Oh, okay.
00:02:03.860 | You're just the moderator.
00:02:04.560 | All right, all right.
00:02:05.520 | Listen, you go and you guys start the 2AI podcast, and you moderate each other,
00:02:11.400 | and you can just monologue.
00:02:12.520 | You can just sketch G-E-T-G-E-3.
00:02:14.700 | Guess what?
00:02:15.180 | Guess what?
00:02:16.120 | I started a whole podcasting app.
00:02:18.000 | It's called Call In.
00:02:19.020 | Yeah, okay.
00:02:19.720 | Whoa.
00:02:20.280 | I am –
00:02:21.640 | It's a fucking call.
00:02:21.920 | It's crashed seven times on the first fucking call.
00:02:24.920 | Who's coding this shit?
00:02:26.320 | Yeah, well, we're on –
00:02:27.360 | It's called Test Flight.
00:02:27.900 | We're in beta.
00:02:28.920 | It's called Test Flight.
00:02:29.940 | You're our guinea pig.
00:02:30.800 | You're our guinea pig.
00:02:32.140 | Let's do it.
00:02:32.960 | I'll tell you what.
00:02:33.660 | You want to talk shit?
00:02:34.480 | Listen, I'm going to set up two GPT-3s, and I'm going to have one David 1 and one David 2,
00:02:41.980 | and then I'm going to have them talk to each other.
00:02:43.660 | And then I'll make sure it doesn't interrupt each other,
00:02:47.340 | and we'll see if it gets higher ratings than the two of you guys complaining about me moderating.
00:02:51.360 | I am playing the role of the audience.
00:02:54.480 | When I interrupt you, it's because you're being fabulously boring,
00:02:57.200 | or there's an opportunity to make a joke.
00:02:59.340 | So does that mean –
00:03:02.540 | One of those two.
00:03:03.120 | Is Chamath –
00:03:03.980 | I don't agree with that.
00:03:05.300 | I mean, honestly, I don't agree with that because you're not even handling your interruptions.
00:03:09.320 | Okay, Dylan, it's above your pay grade.
00:03:11.380 | Put yourself on mute, please.
00:03:12.320 | Thank you.
00:03:13.040 | Take it easy, Dylan.
00:03:14.500 | We want you to try –
00:03:16.580 | Pay grade is $0, by the way.
00:03:18.740 | Yeah, $0.
00:03:21.940 | I think Saks is paying you through Bitcoin or Ethereum or something.
00:03:27.040 | I know he's sending you Doge to influence your edits.
00:03:30.840 | I'm just trying to get to the bottom of why you don't respect Saks' points,
00:03:38.920 | but Chamath can ramble on for hours on end.
00:03:41.800 | Wow.
00:03:43.080 | You know, actually, I think Chamath is falling behind,
00:03:50.440 | and I think because of the – my theory is the all-in stats account is now resulting,
00:03:56.880 | it's gotten inside Chamath's head that he's a ball hog,
00:03:59.180 | and now he's just backed off 20% every episode, so now it's in his head.
00:04:03.740 | And this is also happening with the two Davids.
00:04:06.000 | Oh, my God.
00:04:06.820 | They're all in their own heads about –
00:04:08.280 | Chamath was a total ball hog last episode.
00:04:10.620 | I mean –
00:04:11.560 | Oh, there it goes.
00:04:12.140 | No, it was true.
00:04:12.900 | Okay, so the top issue on the pod was Eric Adams.
00:04:16.160 | You talk, he talks like three times,
00:04:18.740 | and then you guys move on without even giving me or Freeberg the chance to add.
00:04:23.720 | Because we know your opinion.
00:04:25.000 | Your opinion is more cops.
00:04:26.820 | More guns.
00:04:27.540 | Yeehaw.
00:04:28.480 | We get your opinion.
00:04:29.420 | We know it.
00:04:29.960 | We don't have to ask you.
00:04:30.920 | No, you know, you moved on without even giving me a chance to weigh in.
00:04:34.800 | How's that good moderation?
00:04:36.300 | How's that good moderation?
00:04:37.560 | And by the way –
00:04:38.520 | You don't lie.
00:04:38.540 | By the way – hold on a second.
00:04:40.560 | By the way, the fact that Eric Adams won –
00:04:44.020 | We're the number one pod.
00:04:44.040 | You could not have predicted that.
00:04:45.540 | You could not have predicted that.
00:04:47.040 | Nobody else in the pod would have predicted it.
00:04:48.840 | I predicted it because for six months I've been saying that's the number one political issue in America.
00:04:53.680 | I deserved a victory lap on that point.
00:04:56.200 | You didn't.
00:04:56.760 | You just moved – you just blew right past it without even giving me a chance to weigh in on my signature issue.
00:05:02.840 | Pump the brakes, Tucker.
00:05:04.120 | Pump the brakes, Tucker.
00:05:05.220 | That's my signature issue.
00:05:06.360 | Why wouldn't you give me a chance to weigh in?
00:05:07.900 | All right.
00:05:08.240 | Okay.
00:05:09.040 | Okay, Ringo.
00:05:09.820 | We'll let you sing a song.
00:05:11.200 | Okay?
00:05:11.580 | Take it easy.
00:05:12.280 | Listen.
00:05:13.840 | We're the number one tech podcast when we drop an episode.
00:05:18.680 | It's working.
00:05:20.600 | My moderation is working.
00:05:22.600 | Your contribution is working.
00:05:24.240 | Your moderation is spotty.
00:05:25.280 | It's spotty.
00:05:26.340 | Oh, okay.
00:05:26.700 | How much better than number one do you need us to be?
00:05:29.680 | Okay?
00:05:30.740 | No, I'm saying that some episodes is good.
00:05:33.760 | I'm saying some episodes is good.
00:05:35.800 | I think the last episode sucked in terms of your moderation.
00:05:38.480 | Oh, okay.
00:05:39.100 | All right.
00:05:40.000 | Okay.
00:05:40.420 | Thanks, Coach.
00:05:41.060 | The fact is –
00:05:42.040 | By the way, the reason why we need Henry Belcaster is – no, from my standpoint, Henry Belcaster and Dylan are a necessity.
00:05:49.820 | Why?
00:05:50.380 | Because we can put together my takes editing out your interruptions.
00:05:54.700 | So, in other words, we can –
00:05:56.640 | We can reconstruct.
00:05:57.300 | We can reconstruct what I wanted to say.
00:06:01.100 | They do a repair job.
00:06:03.960 | It's a repair job around your city moderation.
00:06:06.220 | Sacks, it is a little suspicious how many times you have to say my full name.
00:06:11.140 | It's under the contract.
00:06:16.340 | Under the contract, you have to say his full name.
00:06:18.180 | I don't know.
00:06:19.040 | It's like you're trying –
00:06:21.640 | All right.
00:06:22.820 | Listen.
00:06:23.080 | David, I'm sorry that you're hurt that I interrupt you or make fun of you.
00:06:26.500 | I just want to say you look great.
00:06:28.800 | Your plant diet is working.
00:06:31.380 | And I am right now on a 14-hour fast.
00:06:34.980 | And I look at that bacon.
00:06:36.480 | I'm looking at the bacon and eggs and the toast my kids are having this morning.
00:06:39.060 | And you know what I said?
00:06:39.780 | I got to drop at least two pounds by the next all-in podcast.
00:06:43.600 | So, it's working.
00:06:45.160 | So, congratulations.
00:06:46.080 | I shamed you into stopping.
00:06:48.100 | All right.
00:06:48.260 | Well, thank you.
00:06:48.800 | And by the way, by the way, I mean, wait.
00:06:50.940 | This is another thing that didn't get – we didn't really unpackage this.
00:06:54.840 | But you're a 10-pounder.
00:06:56.340 | You're a 10-pounder.
00:06:56.440 | You're a 10 pounds heavier than me.
00:06:57.440 | Are you not?
00:06:58.020 | That's not a lie.
00:06:58.980 | You said you're –
00:07:00.240 | Yeah, I am.
00:07:00.660 | I am.
00:07:00.840 | I don't know why I look better.
00:07:02.640 | I can't understand it either.
00:07:03.880 | I look so much better than you.
00:07:05.240 | You're half an inch shorter and 10 pounds heavier.
00:07:07.240 | Yet, I still look better.
00:07:09.260 | It's crazy.
00:07:09.940 | I agree.
00:07:10.520 | Henry, that's a soundbite you should turn into a little clip.
00:07:12.960 | If only this app allowed you to have high-quality, high-fidelity sound, you could actually work
00:07:20.800 | with these clips.
00:07:21.400 | J.K.L., aren't you a big investor in this app?
00:07:24.760 | Yeah, I'm a minor investor.
00:07:26.380 | I'm a minor investor, but I'm happy to be along for the ride.
00:07:28.740 | And I will promote the shit out of this app once it's out there since Clubhouse blocked
00:07:33.720 | me from investing.
00:07:34.880 | So anything to kill Clubhouse and help tax.
00:07:37.260 | Hey, speaking –
00:07:38.060 | I'll do.
00:07:38.760 | Speaking of weight, are any of you investors in this tonal machine thing?
00:07:42.840 | I'm not, but I own one, and it's great.
00:07:45.580 | It's great.
00:07:46.440 | I love it.
00:07:46.980 | It's nuts.
00:07:47.600 | I use it all the time.
00:07:48.680 | Hey, we got to talk about this censorship because we made a clip for David Sachs.
00:07:52.840 | All right.
00:07:53.220 | All right.
00:07:53.500 | Dylan, Dylan, Dylan, Dylan.
00:07:54.500 | Once again, Dylan.
00:07:56.320 | What's your opinion?
00:07:56.860 | We're going to throw it to you.
00:07:57.900 | Mute yourself.
00:07:58.480 | You're not the moderator here.
00:08:00.020 | Nobody gives a shit about your opinion.
00:08:01.420 | Jason, Jason.
00:08:01.800 | Jason, what's your height and weight?
00:08:05.000 | I think we might have to have a boxing match.
00:08:07.340 | All right, Dylan.
00:08:07.360 | Yes, yes, yes, yes.
00:08:08.380 | Once again, Dylan and Henry, stay in your lane.
00:08:11.040 | Both of you put yourself on mute.
00:08:12.900 | This is our episode.
00:08:13.940 | Then I'm gone.
00:08:15.660 | What's beautiful –
00:08:16.720 | Bye, guys.
00:08:17.140 | Nice seeing you.
00:08:18.000 | Mute yourself or else I leave.
00:08:21.460 | Okay.
00:08:22.260 | Three, two –
00:08:24.860 | It's a takeover.
00:08:25.440 | It's a takeover.
00:08:26.260 | It's a takeover.
00:08:26.360 | Thank you.
00:08:27.320 | Thank you, boys.
00:08:28.220 | Jesus Christ.
00:08:29.460 | Now, besties, back to the topic at hand.
00:08:32.080 | Don't empower these two guys too much, okay?
00:08:34.680 | Dylan and Henry, you do a great job, but you're not besties.
00:08:37.640 | You're not moderators.
00:08:38.560 | You're not on the show, okay?
00:08:39.780 | You're the whack pack.
00:08:41.680 | You're talented.
00:08:42.360 | J. Kel, you're the whack pack.
00:08:45.200 | Your 16-hour fast is making you a little cranky.
00:08:47.660 | Fucking Baba Booey's over here.
00:08:49.520 | That high-pitched Eric.
00:08:53.100 | Brutal.
00:08:53.600 | Baba Booey.
00:08:54.240 | Baba Booey.
00:08:55.140 | Baba Booey.
00:08:56.460 | You guys think they're running the show all of a sudden.
00:08:58.840 | Jesus Christ.
00:09:00.040 | This is what happens when you mention them by name at the top of the show.
00:09:02.960 | Listen, guys.
00:09:04.120 | Collect all of the money from the other podcasters.
00:09:06.940 | Just double your fees every three months and ride on David's praising you and me praising you.
00:09:15.460 | We're happy to watch you price gouge the other podcasts.
00:09:18.720 | But they do good work.
00:09:22.820 | I agree.
00:09:23.160 | They do good work.
00:09:23.860 | All right.
00:09:24.900 | Is there anything you want to talk about, David?
00:09:26.140 | Other than criticizing my moderation, which people love and we make people laugh.
00:09:30.180 | If I didn't interrupt you and laugh, there wouldn't be that tension on the show.
00:09:34.340 | People are waiting for me to interrupt and make a joke.
00:09:37.400 | I think there should be a clock where I'm allowed a certain amount of time before you interrupt.
00:09:44.200 | Just tell me what it is.
00:09:48.040 | 30 seconds.
00:09:48.840 | You know?
00:09:50.020 | Seven seconds.
00:09:51.260 | Yeah.
00:09:51.760 | Seven seconds.
00:09:52.680 | Ten seconds.
00:09:53.280 | Just tell me what it is so I know.
00:09:55.220 | Yeah, but I don't know when you're going to give me an opening to make.