Brittany Renner and Denise Garcia DEBATE Michael Porter Jr. on Dating, Monogamy, and Religion!

00:00:00.000 | what's going on y'all there's another episode of curious mike i am here with denise garcia and

00:00:04.380 | britney renner appreciate y'all getting on the show thanks for having us yeah it's an honor

00:00:09.040 | denise's first podcast ever we've um me and you have been friends for years now um first time

00:00:16.440 | meeting you the other night yeah y'all have been friends how long since like 2018 too but we

00:00:23.820 | recently just got closer and then we filmed basketball wives so that i feel like trauma

00:00:28.380 | bonded us yeah talk a little bit about uh basketball wives what is that and like what are y'all why'd

00:00:35.220 | y'all get on the show and kind of what are you trying to get across on the show you can go first

00:00:38.860 | well i think the first time that i went on basketball wives i was very like friendly kind of trying to be

00:00:46.600 | liked and i came back full hijab and just different side of eyes and i thought maybe i would have a

00:00:53.320 | different experience but it was the same bullshit really so you regret going on there so what oh i

00:00:59.580 | don't have any regrets no i mean i feel like i don't think there's anything to be proud about when it

00:01:04.700 | comes to like checking someone that could be your mother like the same age as your mom but

00:01:09.460 | old bitches get checked every day and it's not something to be proud of but you know check out the

00:01:14.840 | show i've never seen it nah yeah i'm missing anything y'all too that's probably entertaining

00:01:18.680 | well i mean i enjoyed it i just feel like watching it play back was totally different than i thought it

00:01:26.560 | was going to be like i feel like people didn't get to see the real me they didn't really get to see

00:01:30.820 | like my personality really is it like it's reality tv right yeah clipping up and painting the narratives

00:01:36.440 | they want to paint yeah yeah but i think this season was so unique because you had a mother and

00:01:41.560 | daughter relationship that was just like the center and really the theme of the season and so like that

00:01:50.840 | in itself watching that playback too was really rough um we were closer to the daughter chantelle it was her

00:01:57.320 | first season as well so i i feel like that just kind of took up the whole season so it really didn't get

00:02:05.320 | what we kind of wanted really yeah i don't feel like at the end of the day it's really to showcase

00:02:10.120 | the lifestyle of people like in that world in that realm i feel like it's just more centered around the

00:02:15.640 | group dynamic and its dysfunction so naturally i don't think they even captured our friendship

00:02:20.840 | accurately in my opinion so you know but we made real friends yeah y'all are great friends obviously

00:02:27.800 | man there's um there's such a like for some reason such a negative connotation of being like a baby

00:02:33.000 | mama like whether the relationship you were in was super like healthy and good and you had a kid

00:02:39.000 | and you brought a kid into the world and it was whatever for some reason people always take that

00:02:42.520 | and run with it yeah and a narrative is painted that's so negative sometimes so how do you guys feel

00:02:49.160 | about that and why do you think that is i mean i i i've felt for you just seeing like some of the stuff

00:02:55.000 | you've gone through comments wise and i haven't known you as long but i'm sure it's similar like

00:02:58.520 | why what do you think that negative connotation comes from and speak on that a little bit i feel

00:03:03.640 | like ever since um my ex and i were together and he posted me it was like oh you're a gold digger and

00:03:09.960 | this is before we even brought zoe into the world so i feel like people just think that you're kind of out

00:03:16.200 | there for what players can offer you like financially and just all of that um but i my situation i feel

00:03:24.440 | like it's like point maybe like one zero percent of the league like i knew him before in high school

00:03:32.680 | like my situation is very different so like having to deal with that publicly was really hard um i don't

00:03:39.320 | understand why um fully like we get that in your situation like when you talk about athletes or people

00:03:46.840 | that end up having money it's their dream scenario to you know stay with the girl that they went through

00:03:53.800 | high school with and grew up with and that was you're in a zoe situation and you know so i don't

00:03:58.920 | know i don't really understand and i was an athlete myself too like i had my own stuff going on i was

00:04:04.200 | a soccer player he was basketball so it was like i had my own ride somewhere to go play and he had his

00:04:10.120 | own so i felt like that kind of brought us together because we both were student athletes but we didn't

00:04:15.080 | think anything like i didn't think that you know i didn't know what to expect so i was kind of just

00:04:21.000 | experiencing it first and we were so young too like looking back i'm like i don't know how i even

00:04:26.520 | was able to navigate that but i learned a lot i feel like you you have handled it well like it hasn't

00:04:31.400 | taken away like since i've known you hasn't taken away like your joy of life you still like to have fun

00:04:36.040 | you're still denise it hasn't like beat you up too much so thank you in this world like it's good to have

00:04:41.400 | thick skin your situation's a little different because you met pj like later on correct how long

00:04:47.240 | have you known him what was that like yeah i met him um i think we had started kind of like talking in

00:04:53.800 | 2019 um so kind of like right before he had got drafted you know but let's reverse one second because

00:05:03.240 | before we go on to that because that is whatever you have made comments i think you're asking us about

00:05:11.160 | how do we feel being on the other side of it my question to you is you have made comments saying

00:05:15.480 | that you would never wife someone who has a child with someone in the league so my question to you

00:05:21.160 | is like what inspired you to feel that way and what connotation do you have about women who have a

00:05:27.000 | child with a basketball player that's a good question we'd love to hear the answer what is my

00:05:32.520 | connotation i don't have a negative connotation to it i think that you know my my right hand man

00:05:37.480 | nicodemus he um you've met little nick i think or you know about little nicodemus the little baby

00:05:43.000 | i'm always with and him and his wife just separated and nicodemus has spoken just on the the difficulties

00:05:48.440 | it brings once you have a child to then like move on like it takes a very understanding person to want

00:05:52.520 | to take on that role take on that and it can get really messy like when you're going into life with a

00:06:01.400 | woman who has a child and now you're having to navigate like how close are you going to get with

00:06:05.880 | the child how does the baby daddy feel about you getting close to the child so i don't have a

00:06:09.240 | negative connotation i feel like for me because i don't have any kids it's something that i've always

00:06:14.920 | thought i would stay like steer away from but i truly feel like as i've gotten older i've realized like

00:06:22.360 | once you meet someone and you're really down for them then you everything that comes along with them

00:06:26.200 | you can decide if you want to take that on or not i don't have a negative connotation like oh

00:06:31.720 | that person has a child so they're they're untouchable and that's like a negative thing i just feel like

00:06:37.240 | you have to weigh it out you have to because it does you know it comes with a lot if you're willing

00:06:41.400 | to take that on so i don't view it negatively the comments i said about um what comments are you

00:06:47.240 | specifically talking about i think i think you're talking about when he said that he wouldn't like

00:06:51.320 | somebody that was already oh that had talked to an athlete yeah um i feel like if you dated like

00:06:58.600 | publicly like a player it would be hard just because of i don't know i just feel like it'd be hard what

00:07:05.480 | do y'all think about that do you think that i'm curious on y'all's thoughts because to me i like i said in

00:07:09.960 | the in the comments like it would be tough dating someone's old girl and they just always have that

00:07:16.680 | like over you like i don't know it's tough like i feel like i could be tripping though it could be like

00:07:23.000 | an ego thing or like a insecurity thing i don't know it could be i don't know i'm not saying i'm

00:07:28.360 | right that's just how i've always felt but i'm i'm i'm open to change i'm not stuck in my ways i feel like

00:07:34.440 | i see why guys are hesitant with certain girls because i even see certain girls and i'm like you

00:07:39.480 | make it hard for us women to be taken seriously as like you know mothers versus baby mama or out here

00:07:45.960 | for the wrong thing so i get that because i see it and i'm like you guys are surrounded by it

00:07:49.560 | a lot um i just think it's up to to you guys to kind of like bet those girls out you know what i'm

00:07:56.840 | saying because it is i see what you guys are surrounded by too so i understand that part of

00:08:01.400 | it but um on the flip side i just feel like the reason why i have stayed true to myself is because

00:08:07.800 | you got to make your private life happy and make sure that whoever's coming into yours in your child's

00:08:14.040 | world is adding something i agree so so is your is your because i've i agree with you your stands

00:08:21.560 | britney because i've listened to some of your like podcasts and you know talking to guys and whatever

00:08:27.160 | and going back and forth with them like what is your stance on like past past are you like once

00:08:32.600 | you meet the person past doesn't really matter what is your what is your thoughts on that i feel

00:08:37.560 | like everything someone has encountered up into present day needed to happen so whatever has taken

00:08:43.000 | place whatever puzzle pieces these relationships have given you i'm not going to judge anyone for it

00:08:48.120 | if i don't want someone to judge me for my past i cannot judge them and i feel like of course i am

00:08:54.520 | always going to be very vocal about that that group of people that i feel like you know if you have had

00:09:00.440 | public relationships or you've just lived a very public life like myself i always found myself going

00:09:05.160 | to bat for and being that voice for that because you know for me it's like i live my life out loud

00:09:10.520 | like i mean pretty much everything i've done you can google and find it so i feel like you not wanting

00:09:16.280 | children like with someone who already has a kid because you don't have children is a very different

00:09:21.240 | energy than oh you dated this basketball player who took you seriously who you thought was your end

00:09:26.120 | game and like i wouldn't look at you as that like to me that's very egotistical again your preference

00:09:31.080 | you're allowed that but i also think it's kind of like okay like i feel like it's honestly it's

00:09:38.360 | it might be the way most men are wired versus how women are wired like i feel like most women and correct

00:09:44.200 | me if i'm wrong y'all don't care as much about past as men and i feel like that's because y'all

00:09:50.520 | have a gift of being more forgiving being more graceful being more this all these things and men

00:09:55.800 | seem to like dudes will get mad over some stuff that happened five years ago when you weren't even with

00:10:00.600 | them but i don't know what that is in men i feel like it's just a difference in like how we view a

00:10:05.720 | situation um i don't really know if it's necessarily like wrong but it could very well be an ego thing and

00:10:13.160 | that's not that's not the right way to go about relationships but at the end of the day i feel

00:10:17.960 | like whatever your preference is there's someone out there for everyone like yeah i i also feel

00:10:23.720 | like though that men collectively not only have like pretty low self-esteem for the most part or their their

00:10:31.480 | ego is astronomical i feel like men fixate a lot on someone's past because they feel that another man can

00:10:41.160 | permanently taint a woman you don't have that power you just don't so it's like again you don't think

00:10:49.000 | so you don't think a man cannot permanently taint me it's just like not you maybe you're very a strong

00:10:54.600 | independent woman but a lot of women are very they've had relationships that have completely changed

00:11:00.840 | their personalities the way they trust a man the way they the way they view men in general i feel like

00:11:06.600 | like you can be in a messed up relationship that can they can really mess you up mess right but i

00:11:12.440 | think where i'm focusing on because i think it's i get what you're saying you're saying that people can

00:11:17.080 | be jaded from whatever experiences they have but i feel like when it comes to past and a man focusing on

00:11:22.280 | what happened five years ago or what man you slept with or what guy you were with that is thinking when

00:11:27.320 | this man stuck his penis in her she no longer has value so that to me is where i challenge like that

00:11:33.720 | because it's like okay well who are y'all having sex with we're the whores but who are we all

00:11:38.760 | fucking you know what i mean so i think that's kind of where it's like you know yes we're aware of double

00:11:44.040 | standards we all love them when it benefits us but the truth of the matter is it's like if you meet

00:11:49.000 | somebody that makes sense whether they have a kid whether they've been with someone publicly that

00:11:54.200 | was in the league it's like why miss out on the love potential love of your life just because some

00:11:59.640 | guy dated her and it didn't work out they were meant to have a kid they moved on it's just like

00:12:04.360 | like i said but that's the that's the mature that's probably the mature mindset no no 100 i i wish

00:12:09.960 | i wish i could i could think like that too it's like it's like why are we seen as like the baggage

00:12:16.360 | you know like why do we when it's like a blessing mama there's a baby daddy and also right and also

00:12:22.360 | like i really thought and so did my ex we thought we were end game and then zoe came before that so

00:12:29.240 | honestly it showed me that actually you are not my end game yeah and so it's like i had to learn in a

00:12:35.160 | different i think it's the same the same ideology is the reason why men like some type of like

00:12:43.480 | purity in a woman but women don't really like that in men like the the the girls that a lot of dudes

00:12:49.160 | go for is like someone who hasn't done everything in the book and and like been around the world and

00:12:55.400 | seen everything there is to see and done everything like they like to bring like a new experience to a

00:13:00.360 | woman and i feel like women are the opposite they want a dude who has done his thing can show them

00:13:06.440 | you know put them on new things i feel like it's the same ideology i feel like men and women are

00:13:10.040 | wired different but putting myself in y'all's shoes the double standards would get irritating the fact

00:13:15.960 | that we think that we can just have a crazy past and have a million bodies in our past a billion bodies

00:13:21.960 | a million generous but then we'll be tripping about if if a girl we like has however many bodies my

00:13:30.120 | question is does that matter at all to you guys does past this past matter like at all that's hard

00:13:35.560 | because i feel like there's a part of me that's like get it out of your system i don't care what

00:13:41.800 | happened before me as long as it's not happening when i'm with you and after but also like to some

00:13:48.520 | extent because who are you exchanging energy with right like how those are real soul ties that's

00:13:53.160 | a real thing when you talk about baggage like i believe in that i believe that all these people

00:13:57.160 | that you've been with can you can bring that into the next you can also cut the cord as well absolutely

00:14:02.360 | so for me it's like so how accessible are you because then that changes things like are you really picky

00:14:07.560 | with who you're exchanging energy with that to me is important yeah yeah yeah i'm not i'm 33 years

00:14:14.920 | old i'm not having a conversation about like body count like in my mind that's not like something i'm

00:14:19.320 | ever bringing up um i just don't care again like every every step that you have taken to arrive here

00:14:27.320 | it's written so for me to like get caught up on all these insignificant really details like i'm more

00:14:35.400 | concerned about do i like you as a person do i like who i am when i'm with you can i be more of myself

00:14:41.480 | with this guy these are the three questions that mean the most to me so all that body count and

00:14:46.440 | you know all that other stuff before to me it's just like yes like it's very talked about in pods

00:14:51.400 | but it's like where how are we moving this conversation forward in like a productive way

00:14:55.400 | because it's like okay i don't want to go who's been with a bunch of guys okay well i don't want a guy

00:14:59.880 | who's been with a bunch of great now where do we go from here you guys we want somebody pure okay but

00:15:05.240 | you're not you're asking for something that you're not like 100 like are you waiting or have you

00:15:10.680 | waited till you are married or no no that's what i'm saying so you're not really pure either you see

00:15:15.960 | what i'm saying i think it is a double standard like like dudes really have a double standard on

00:15:20.040 | that i'm not saying a double standard is right i think that i'm not saying it's right i just think

00:15:25.240 | it exists for some for whatever reason it is i don't know if that's going anywhere like like i said

00:15:30.600 | there's someone out there for anyone but i do think that that double standard exists and i i think

00:15:37.080 | talking about it and and getting the perspective from both sides like it does matter because putting

00:15:43.080 | ourselves in your shoes like we would we would we would be mad if there was a double standard dudes

00:15:49.320 | definitely definitely try to try to like i said have those double standards you have been in the public

00:15:59.000 | eye for a long time you've been on you know social media i'm not sure how you got the you know the

00:16:03.720 | notoriety you got i remember watching some videos back in the day of you being very outspoken about

00:16:08.280 | certain issues what were some of those things was it mostly advocating for women or was it

00:16:13.160 | like what back in the day were you speaking on mostly and have those views changed at all as you've

00:16:19.800 | gotten older or do you feel like you're still the same britney as you were well i think my heart has never

00:16:25.080 | changed so there's pieces of interviews videos that you'll find that it still reflects who i am and

00:16:30.600 | where i am today i think for me um a lot of girls coming up it was the ones who were more quiet everyone

00:16:39.160 | has their own way of teaching don't get me wrong but like i feel like there were a lot of things that

00:16:43.080 | were unspoken and if i only have value because you don't know my truth then i don't really have value

00:16:48.360 | so it's like for me i just found myself like what what is there to be ashamed of

00:16:53.640 | so when i'm openly talking about my body count on shannon sharp or whatever what is i'm gonna be

00:16:59.960 | ashamed for what you know what i mean so i just feel like for me people just need to be more comfortable

00:17:05.400 | with their truth whatever that looks like and again it only takes one person to see your value that's

00:17:10.200 | yourself every when you choose yourself everything in your outer world it catches up so it's like i will find a

00:17:16.760 | man that it also accepts me for me i only need one guy i don't need five i don't even five a thousand

00:17:23.400 | guys to wrap around the corner and wait for me like for what so i think for me it's just like dude i'm

00:17:28.760 | saying things that people either a have already done b are too afraid to talk about and see i just like

00:17:34.440 | and what's gonna come behind it because i don't do apology tours and

00:17:39.720 | it is what it is i accept what comes behind my decisions i feel like part of the reason i wanted

00:17:45.240 | you on here i didn't even know you get on your first podcast i feel like part of the reason though is

00:17:50.440 | the authenticity you've always had you know i feel like speaking on the subjects you speak on and being

00:17:57.720 | very outspoken and like that is rare especially as a woman but in both of your situations like the world

00:18:04.840 | in my situation too just if you're going to be public at all if you're a public figure at all

00:18:08.520 | the world does beat you up they love negativity and all these things and a lot of your guys's

00:18:12.840 | situation has come from men so has that has that not that you guys hate men or anything like that but has

00:18:19.080 | that has that like weighed on you at all like just you with the andrew tate podcast or i watched a little

00:18:26.280 | bit of your clips with the fresh and fit guy and you're just like do those things having those conversations

00:18:31.880 | ever just you get tired of dudes no did did you watch those clips we had a great conversation

00:18:37.800 | fresh and fit one yeah but i i we had a great conversation really so we spoke for two hours

00:18:42.280 | now the clip that went viral was me calling them a niggas that was like the first time just the fact

00:18:46.920 | that like when you're when you're saying your points or whatever it seemed like he was like

00:18:50.280 | making light of it or joking around and that's fine because at the end of the day i don't question

00:18:54.360 | any platforms i'm called to i'm going to teach and i'm going to share what wisdom was gifted to me

00:18:58.520 | and whether it's received or not is not really my concern so again i've sat down with andrew tate

00:19:04.360 | fresh and fit academics joe budden kevin samuels when he was alive i mean all these people who were

00:19:09.480 | supposed to tear me apart and it's really just about perspective sharing so it's like i i love talking to

00:19:15.160 | different people even a tyrant can be a teacher so i don't i definitely don't hate men i i think we

00:19:20.600 | love men like you know what i mean like we're hopeful romantics like yeah you know what i mean

00:19:25.160 | i think i think it did kind of harden me a little bit like to tap back into like my feminine was it

00:19:31.320 | took me a long time because i was like hold on i need to i have somebody to raise okay i have to be an

00:19:39.160 | example for my daughter and what kind of love she should see her mom receive right so i really had to

00:19:45.000 | like look in on myself work on those things and i was just like not i'm like i can't i don't have

00:19:50.680 | the emotional capacity right now i need to be at my best if i want the best partner for me and my daughter

00:19:56.200 | and i i mean it hasn't been public like have you dated anyone since she was born i she's never met

00:20:02.680 | anybody so i literally i'm so picky i'm literally like so picky with who i choose to date um i really

00:20:11.480 | have just been focused on mine and zoe's world to this point i feel like because i want again want to

00:20:16.840 | be like the best denise like i relied i lost myself so much in that just trying to be the best partner

00:20:23.240 | when it was like i need to look inwards and focus on who i am what makes me happy what's going to make

00:20:28.760 | zoe happy zoe wants all her friends to come from like over after school perfect like let's you know

00:20:34.680 | it's just our world so it's taking me some time i'm really protective i've yet to introduce a partner

00:20:41.240 | to zoe um i don't know i'm like my guy might be a unicorn i don't know what would be the qualifications

00:20:47.880 | like of a dude uh for either of you to like bring in those situations being a mother now you want to go

00:20:53.960 | first like do you want them taking on like a like a father role at some point for your child like what

00:21:01.880 | yeah what are the questions i feel like she just needs to see an example of healthy love just getting

00:21:09.560 | treated the way that you know a woman should be treated like a queen um and just kind of have that

00:21:16.760 | like i mean she has a dad you know so i'm not looking for somebody to come and be her dad but

00:21:22.680 | it's like be that figure where it's like she's comfortable enough to have conversations you can

00:21:27.480 | have talks with her and have like develop that relationship with her that any little girl needs

00:21:33.400 | so that's kind of where i'm at i love that i mean i feel the same way too where it's just kind of like

00:21:38.520 | um i think when you have a child as well it life gets very serious where maybe other instances where

00:21:49.080 | you were like horse playing and just kind of doing stuff for the plot it's like when you have a a little

00:21:54.040 | person running around and um you want to really make sure that again like you said they're treating

00:22:00.440 | you with the utmost respect and yeah even though again my son has his dad as well but like if we merge

00:22:07.080 | a household yeah that is inevitably going to be a role like my son would look for that so i think it's

00:22:15.160 | like yeah you want an upstanding guy you want somebody who is of character who's consistent

00:22:20.600 | who's a man of his word who respects you who's truthful all these things you know so you know

00:22:26.600 | again i feel like you know sometimes when you have a child there is that negative stigma just about being

00:22:32.680 | a single mom but there are people who don't care i mean look at sierra and russell it's just it's

00:22:38.280 | she had a baby with future you know what i mean he's not was the best like i like i'm close with

00:22:42.600 | russell then he was in denver i was over at his house and the way like he views little future as

00:22:47.320 | um like you know he he takes care of him like as he should it's fire now russell russell and there's

00:22:53.320 | yeah out there like that what do you guys think are some are some misconceptions about you guys as

00:22:59.720 | individuals that like the work because i feel like you bring out the parchment you haven't really been

00:23:05.000 | very outspoken i know you you've been very outspoken and you defend your views and all those things but

00:23:09.960 | what do you think individually are some misconceptions um people think that oh my god they think i'm so

00:23:18.200 | opposite of who i am like honestly like they think i'm just uh out here i was out here for the clout and

00:23:26.040 | whatever came with zo um they labeled me as a gold digger a whore slut like all just disgusting things

00:23:33.240 | they couldn't be more wrong about me actually yeah so yeah i've seen it all i've like i'm like my comments

00:23:40.600 | like and they still to this day seven years later yeah yeah that's tough yeah what about you i mean too

00:23:49.880 | many misconceptions to name to be honest like really like couldn't be more true or it couldn't yeah like

00:23:57.720 | like it's just the opposite of you or just when you see all the time and it kind of just rubs you

00:24:01.640 | i have mine that people just think about me but like what is it let's hear yours first my misconception

00:24:06.440 | about me yeah i don't know so like back when covet was happening right like i didn't i didn't take

00:24:13.400 | the vaccine like i just because i think you should be able to decide for yourself i've never really

00:24:18.040 | taken vaccines my parents homeschooled us and we weren't going to school we weren't doing all that so

00:24:23.400 | like as soon as you don't do something i feel like that the public is for you're just labeled

00:24:30.120 | as a certain type of person and you're just like it was it was everybody thinks because i didn't take

00:24:34.840 | the vaccine all of a sudden i'm i'm trump this and trump all this crazy stuff i don't know how that all

00:24:41.000 | that gets grouped together but there's there's countless um just misconceptions that come along with

00:24:47.400 | the decisions i've made and it is tough to deal with but at the end of the day people's public opinion

00:24:53.240 | of you like they don't meet you in real life yeah they don't have a real yeah impact on your

00:24:58.280 | happiness unless you let them like there is times where i get off social media like i would rather

00:25:02.680 | just be my family my friends and not even see it because anybody could say this doesn't affect you

00:25:07.400 | this doesn't affect you but at the end of the day if you see too much stuff in effect we're all human

00:25:11.960 | yeah i mean so i do take my breaks from social media for that reason but at the end of the day like

00:25:17.560 | it is what it is that's what comes with it yeah i barely i feel like i really don't post i

00:25:23.080 | started really posting a little bit more after basketball wives because i needed to look inwards

00:25:27.880 | and make sure that my life was happy privately i'm like i can post a life that nobody really knows

00:25:33.720 | about and i take pride in that because it's like you guys are going to say talk to me anyway so i might

00:25:39.160 | do you think you're going to do that as well all right yeah you still didn't answer oh yeah um

00:25:44.200 | i don't know you know i've joined instagram when i was 20 and i'm 33 now so i think that very early

00:25:55.160 | on i was labeled a villain and i feel that in this in this world you're either handed a hero jersey or a

00:26:01.880 | villain jersey and i would say even before i really started to just run amok and and be vocal i was already

00:26:07.960 | labeled as that so i think for me it's like yeah a lot of people have horrible things to say which is

00:26:12.760 | fine um your feelings are not facts right um and also nobody asks but thank you for sharing that

00:26:18.840 | somebody cares somewhere in the world but it's just like i don't know i think sometimes too like

00:26:22.680 | those negative like those misconceptions and just people being nasty i kind of like the benefit of it

00:26:27.240 | because if people think i'm like this terrible nasty horrible succubus harlot horror villain

00:26:32.280 | stay away from me like don't talk to me or like keep your distance if you see me like i don't really

00:26:37.000 | mind that but i don't know i just feel like there's just a lot of negative things i would say um more

00:26:41.960 | recently probably the stuff about just with being muslim and um their reasoning why they feel i um

00:26:50.040 | converted i think that stuff has just been maybe more of the the glaringly obvious stuff that has been

00:26:55.880 | thrown at me which is like okay yeah we're gonna get into that in a little bit i feel like um

00:27:00.680 | what's really weird though is like in your guys's situation the the your baby daddy probably approached

00:27:07.880 | you guys and they'll label you guys like you guys are like um trapping guys or any baby mama who's the

00:27:14.040 | baby mama of a wealthy person a rapper athlete whatever the woman is the one who gets shamed and

00:27:20.680 | gets degraded so i find that i find that kind of crazy um yeah for sure i mean i can tell you the day

00:27:28.840 | it's so funny too because the day that i met is that like he we went to the same school the same high

00:27:34.200 | school the day that i met him was after practice my senior year we went to um the school like hosted

00:27:43.800 | this dinner at this um at this like it was called papachinos it's like this little restaurant in chino

00:27:51.000 | hills and basketball team was going to see a final soccer team was going to see a final final so it was

00:27:56.600 | just like a intimate like dinner on the patio for us and it was after practice and i told my coach i was

00:28:02.520 | like i don't want to like i don't want to go i'm tired i have homework like we have this game coming

00:28:06.600 | up don't want to go what's the point i can't even get cute like we're going straight after what's

00:28:10.280 | the point you know like we're not gonna and um i remember like that was the first time i had seen

00:28:17.000 | him but i had gone to school with him all these years i was just doing my own thing and sure enough

00:28:21.560 | like he approached like you know and he approached me and since then like we were after that night we were

00:28:28.120 | kind of inseparable and we had our own things going on so it's like nobody it lands some things just land

00:28:35.240 | on like people who aren't really clocking it like you guys you really think that i wanted i knew this

00:28:44.360 | guy in high school like yeah i never wanted our relationship to be based off the things that he can do

00:28:49.480 | for me because i was like that it's not our foundation of how we even liked each other you know

00:28:55.240 | what i mean so um i just feel like people just will always find something negative to say about it so

00:29:01.960 | um it sucks but it is what it is like i'm not gonna say hey look at me i'm a good person like hey no

00:29:07.720 | this is my love no like it is what it is yeah i feel like a lot of athletes that i've met um they're

00:29:15.480 | like coddled man children so we definitely are yeah it's like this this guy was good in middle school he

00:29:23.960 | had his whole future mapped out yeah everybody from the teachers to the professors to the coaches

00:29:30.440 | that's really to me what my experience there are some stereotypes that are just true yeah and i

00:29:39.000 | remember i i made a video back in 2018 saying you know athletes are really dumb because most of them

00:29:46.200 | are you know it's just like if there's substance it's just not what they lead with so for me it's

00:29:52.120 | okay okay okay well then but so for me i think it's like because of playing basketball like you guys

00:30:03.800 | throw a ball in a hoop you guys aren't carrying cancer just like we're on reality tv we're not doing

00:30:09.560 | anything to change the world this is like cotton candy for the soul but what it comes down to is like

00:30:14.200 | you guys are in a have an opportunity to change your whole family situation so you're already

00:30:19.640 | fucking king dingaling when you're fucking 13 years old like so then you grow up no real character no

00:30:26.040 | integrity your teacher was low-key wanted to you and you had this other who was sucking your

00:30:32.120 | dick and doing your homework and it's just like now you guys are expected to be like outstanding men no

00:30:38.360 | like you guys suck like it's you know what i mean so it's it's not it's not shocking it's not

00:30:43.800 | breaking news this is the tale as old as time but if that's the stereotype on athletes or whatever

00:30:49.320 | then why then doesn't that stereotype exist for the women that so many of them flock to the athletes

00:30:55.640 | because if all these girls you know if that's if all them know that athletes are dumb and they

00:30:59.960 | don't have any character and they know that the dudes are going to cheat on at all most of them you

00:31:04.680 | know what i'm saying like then the women who are going after these dudes there's got to be something

00:31:08.760 | wrong with them like bad intentions like what we go back to so the stereotype that some of these girls

00:31:13.560 | are like called the names that they're called do you think that there's any validity to that if

00:31:20.040 | the stereotype really is that athletes are dumb and we're not good dudes and we're going to cheat on

00:31:25.320 | the girls that we're with like so what does that say about the girls that are chasing them that's first

00:31:30.440 | of all fantastic point relationships are mirrors i also think too when you meet somebody and you see these

00:31:39.560 | glimpses of hope like okay maybe there is more to them maybe they are different maybe i'm different

00:31:47.240 | maybe he was doing all these things because it wasn't the right fit

00:31:51.560 | and then you come to find out that well the best prediction for future behavior is past behavior it's

00:31:59.000 | not that anybody can't change it's do they want to so i think that's where you ask yourself you know

00:32:06.040 | i think now it's like how am i vibrational match to this person but i think that's a very fair point

00:32:10.840 | it's like what what is each person mirroring the back because it's kind of like the perfect storm

00:32:16.760 | you're dumb she's smart put them together you know it's like you know it's just so yeah i think it's like

00:32:23.560 | you you do think that it'll be different and maybe that's where you can be a little naive and thinking

00:32:29.800 | well he won't cheat on me because i know that's what i thought i thought oh he has an old soul

00:32:34.600 | like oh maybe these other girls that because they just weren't me like we're i'm a better fit for him

00:32:39.160 | it's gonna be a better relationship and it's the same shit why do you think i think i saw a comment

00:32:45.480 | of you speaking on um the fact that the type of dude you go for i don't know if this was a true quote

00:32:51.240 | or not but the type of guy you would go for will probably cheat on you i feel like i don't know if

00:32:55.720 | that was a true quote oh i didn't say that really well i feel like that's a lot of modern monogamous

00:33:00.760 | so i don't believe okay well a lot of women's like type or the guy that they like they know that

00:33:07.000 | guy like they know that they're they're not going to go for the guy that's going to be amazing to them

00:33:11.560 | never cheat on them be obsessed with them whatever like they got a 10 of those guys right here at their

00:33:16.680 | doorstep but they're going to go for the dude who probably is going to end up doing them doing them

00:33:21.640 | crazy what do you think is the reasoning for that is that just a lack of do you feel like once a woman

00:33:28.280 | reaches a certain age she gets passed out and she really wants the the good guy or why do you think

00:33:33.000 | so many girls go for something they know is it the nurturing aspect of women or what is it please

00:33:37.560 | inform me um i think that sometimes like nice guys finish last like not for sure i'm trying to

00:33:49.000 | figure out why i'm like ew like i want flowers from him not him like i don't know i really don't know i

00:33:58.280 | feel like that it shows where your emotional capacity is at because are you really going to be happy with

00:34:03.320 | somebody who's cheating on you no i better not find out actually but um i think some women

00:34:09.960 | now are okay with that because of what they get out of it i don't understand that i'm very much like

00:34:16.520 | don't let me find out um but yeah i also i'm just like i don't really want the nice like

00:34:22.920 | it's like give me a challenge yeah i don't know no no at one time in my life that's what i thought

00:34:29.720 | yeah where i was like okay ew disgusting like don't this guy i'm just being nice to you thing like if he's

00:34:36.360 | yeah and this was like where i was at a couple years ago i feel like i was just kind of like i'm not into

00:34:41.160 | that um now i just feel like i just really protect my peace and like i said my guy's a unicorn so

00:34:48.600 | i don't know yeah i mean i feel for me that um there's a lot of people that they just have a lot

00:34:56.280 | of unhealed stuff going on and then so you're not going to attract what you want you're going to attract

00:35:01.400 | what you are so um i think the issue with that um speaking from experience because i mean i've made

00:35:07.720 | every mistake and i'm gonna probably make more tomorrow but um our self-esteem is in the dirt

00:35:15.240 | like you know i it's like we want that again whatever is familiar more again like your childhood

00:35:22.520 | like what if you're used to seeking validation or perfectionism or um i'm jumping through hoops

00:35:29.320 | that was something for me it was like i have to perform to be loved right so the unavailable guy

00:35:35.320 | emotionally was intriguing to me but when you start to understand where these root like where these wounds

00:35:43.000 | are rooted in and you can heal it you're not attracted to mr bare minimum that texts you you know

00:35:48.760 | what i mean so i think it's um you have to pick your self-esteem out of the ground off the dirt put

00:35:55.320 | it put your crown on figure it out get to the root of what you have going on because i feel like for me

00:36:00.680 | i've dated regular guys in recent years and not so regular guys it's like i want the guy who's going

00:36:08.520 | to roll out the red carpet to the magic carpet i don't care if that's mr regular regular yeah or if it's

00:36:13.560 | mr i play basketball or football or like whatever it's but it's i think for me again when you

00:36:19.800 | continuously choose yourself your outer world has to reflect what's going on internally so i think

00:36:24.920 | people whether that's the guy who's talking to himself in his in your dms or the girl who's chasing

00:36:31.000 | the guy that doesn't really want her just you know um you got to kind of look at like

00:36:37.400 | how where are we a match and why and do i like this yeah i feel that my last relationship question

00:36:46.120 | like where do you feel like um it gets to the point in the relationship where it's just like if it gets

00:36:51.720 | to that point you it's no longer good like do you feel like if you're checking each other's phones you

00:36:56.840 | have each other's instagram passwords you have your location like you feel like it's it's time to call

00:37:01.560 | it quits or do you feel like because i'm sure you guys have been in situations where you've tried to

00:37:05.240 | make it work not only for the sake of the relationship for the sake of the kids so like

00:37:09.240 | when does it get to a point where it's like this needs to be over with when you have to have somebody's

00:37:15.400 | location or you have to blow them up or i'm starting not to trust the relationship's over

00:37:19.720 | it's over like there's no point in doing that why do i need to go through i don't want to go through

00:37:24.680 | your instagram yeah like i should trust you yeah i feel like if if that's a thought then you already

00:37:30.840 | have your answer so it's just you know again like when it i feel like too when you start to get too

00:37:38.920 | attached in that way to the outcome i feel like you're already starting to lose the plot and the

00:37:43.720 | point it's like you're you're so obsessed with this relationship working that you're missing all of these

00:37:49.720 | red flags that are on fire you know whether it's the phone whether it's just a lack of trust

00:37:55.080 | but i think it all still comes back to this person's mirroring something that you need to work

00:37:59.400 | on within yourself so starting there would be great yeah i have one last question why do you think men

00:38:07.160 | struggle with monogamy so much more than women like do you feel like men are simple because some dudes

00:38:12.520 | really and probably some guys you've been on podcasts with really believed it monogamy is not for men like

00:38:17.960 | men should be able to have multiple girls and it's not natural to lock in with one girl no matter how special

00:38:23.240 | she is because i feel like a lot of women get hurt because they feel like oh this guy cheated on me

00:38:27.560 | so he must not love me i'm not enough and then her self-esteem is is it terrible but like they don't

00:38:32.520 | know that you can love a girl fully like a hundred percent and still cheat on her and it's because you

00:38:37.720 | lack probably self-control you probably use probably what but it's not that you don't love her it's not

00:38:42.520 | that she's not enough so a lot of guys will take that and be like men just aren't supposed to be with one

00:38:47.560 | woman um do you guys agree with that or do you feel like it's a lack of self-control or why do you feel

00:38:55.400 | like even if you're the perfect girlfriend you could still get cheated on yeah what are your thoughts about that

00:39:00.840 | i think my question would be before we answer do you believe in monogamy

00:39:05.880 | monogamy um i do i think i do believe in it because i grew up with a mom and dad they're still married

00:39:12.360 | after 30 some years they had eight kids homeschooled all of us um so i grew up seeing that but a lot of

00:39:17.560 | my friends a lot of guys in the nba they don't they don't believe that's like natural for like a man and

00:39:22.120 | i see why like when you have all these options and you you have a wandering eye like it is hard

00:39:27.560 | now it's you get on your phone and it's right if your girl's annoying you making you mad you can just

00:39:34.040 | it's so easy i i personally feel like it's a lack of self-control probably and just um

00:39:41.560 | but if you really are seeking peace in your life and happiness i feel like one woman it will bring

00:39:47.880 | you that more than multiple to me yeah i think i like like they just have so many options and it's so

00:39:54.760 | easy and i feel like women too we kind of did ourselves some women did our like i mean as a collective

00:40:01.480 | did us a disgrace because here you are accepting and willingly being that side or whatever it is

00:40:07.960 | and making it so easy that you ruin it for everybody yeah especially nowadays because girls have gotten in

00:40:14.040 | that mentality of they're they're trying to be dogs yeah and they think it's like it's something to be

00:40:17.800 | proud of it's disgusting like oh i got this dude's i got this dude wants me disgusting yeah there was a

00:40:24.440 | point in time it uh the women before us they they had no rights it was to be seen not heard yeah this

00:40:34.680 | is the most freedom we as women have had collectively in just career invisibility and using our voices and

00:40:40.840 | being in prominent spaces so i feel like at one point in time uh the dad would go trade his daughter for

00:40:49.400 | three cows so it's like how far back are we going because we can compare monogamy to it's not natural

00:40:55.240 | because animals don't do it there are several animals especially birds and birds can fly anywhere

00:41:01.320 | there are monogamous so if the bird can fly anywhere in the world why would they leave with just one bird

00:41:07.160 | i didn't even know that was a fact ravens are monogamous eagles are monogamous vultures are monogamous

00:41:13.080 | that's why i'm like there's a lot of birds and just in general i love birds but um that are

00:41:17.480 | monogamous so my thing is is like i think it's more disgusting for a woman to be like that no i think

00:41:25.720 | at the end of the day that people are a vibrational match this is a game that we are in this is a feedback

00:41:32.120 | system okay well let me let me rephrase that if a man a man can completely love a woman and still

00:41:38.840 | i feel like i feel like i need a drink do you feel like that a man can completely love a woman and

00:41:44.280 | still cheat do you agree with that or no he doesn't love you fully you don't love yourself yeah period

00:41:49.960 | it's not about this woman isn't enough she's not popping pussy in a handstand you as a man there is

00:41:55.720 | something lacking within you because at the end of the day like the deeper the bond and the commitment

00:42:03.160 | everything is heightened in it from conversation to sex that everybody's so their panties in a

00:42:08.440 | bunch about like everything is better when you have like that best friend like we go to the movies and

00:42:14.120 | it's just amazing because this is my is my friend like the deeper the bond the the further you really

00:42:20.040 | go you know what i mean you're going being able to go to the bottom of the ocean floor is what life is

00:42:24.600 | all about what you're speaking facts so it's like that's why it's like one of the other it's just

00:42:30.280 | like what what reality do you want to experience whatever that answer is just be sure that you're

00:42:37.080 | okay with accepting whatever comes behind it if you want to go out and and a hundred guys in a week

00:42:43.000 | just be sure you can take on whatever repercussions come with that spiritually emotionally physically

00:42:47.880 | mentally just my biggest thing is not go 100 guys in a week and it's not wait until you're married

00:42:53.960 | it's whatever you do you just make sure you stand on that and you accept whatever comes behind it

00:42:59.720 | and be proud of what be proud of the things that you do that's really where i stand with that so i don't

00:43:04.520 | like compare one of the other it's what do people want to experience it's not even wrong it's what do you

00:43:11.000 | want to experience what do you want to experience in this life there's a buffet have whatever you want

00:43:16.040 | just accept if you get sick from the crab legs that's on you i agree with that so that leads me

00:43:21.720 | to my next question i want to transition to you obviously have um you're you're muslim now and i

00:43:29.560 | want to talk about the transition to that what led you to that point and what led you to be so dedicated

00:43:34.200 | in that space what were you before you were muslim spiritual just spiritual and i'm right back right

00:43:42.840 | there oh it's not that i'm not muslim it's that i was in a rebuilding purification process of my life

00:43:51.560 | and when you completely demolish a house you have to have some type of blueprint right you're not just

00:43:56.600 | going to just start putting up pillars and there has to be a map islam was the only thing that only

00:44:02.280 | religion i've ever been drawn to i don't like rules and my background is very spiritual so i go from

00:44:08.120 | pacific ocean to a religion puddle that's any religion this is not an attack on islam because

00:44:15.080 | it's all the religions are beautiful in their own way um you don't need religion let me say this hold on

00:44:27.240 | um i don't feel like i don't feel like talking about this like people expect it to be worded

00:44:33.400 | perfectly i know it but the thing is is that i have not talked about it since i took my hijab off

00:44:39.240 | and there are plenty of born muslims who are not in hijab there are plenty of muslims billions there are

00:44:44.760 | two billion muslims in the world i'm sure there's hundreds of thousands that are not in hijab especially

00:44:48.280 | in the west um i think religion is a tool just like numerology and just like astrology it was a tool

00:44:58.360 | that i used to really build a solid foundation where i went from far left to far right and now i'm in a

00:45:05.080 | place of harmonization so i think for me um what inspired me was that my soul was very tired um you again

00:45:15.880 | i can see i see god when i'm when i see the sunset i see god when i look at the ocean i see god when i

00:45:22.120 | just am outside in the grass and it's like you don't need specifically religion to have a relationship

00:45:28.040 | with god but i think when you don't know where to turn and you don't have a foundation like i didn't

00:45:32.760 | grow up religious i grew up raising my grandparents unruly making my own rules so i think for me i i went

00:45:40.760 | back to the basics learned about the foundation and was like okay i'm gonna eat the meat spit

00:45:46.520 | the bones and this is where i'm at for religions like islam or christianity that say like you know

00:45:52.760 | this is the way to god they're they're not they're pretty firm on like you know there's not multiple

00:45:59.000 | routes there's not multiple ways to god they all have their own truth and yeah that's the route i feel

00:46:04.120 | like islam is similar to christianity in that way so how do you how do you like put that together with

00:46:10.600 | like people that are just spiritual and they seek god in this way i see god in that way because i feel

00:46:16.040 | like in religion they will all say like this is the one way to god like in islam i don't know the

00:46:22.520 | specifics of the religion but aren't there all these like qualifications you have to do to reach god and

00:46:28.200 | and and the the yeah so what do you think about that because there are people out there that believe

00:46:33.960 | that you can just anybody can reach god in any different route and then there's people that

00:46:37.160 | believe that this is the one way um now that you've experienced kind of both sides of that you

00:46:42.200 | where do you stand with what just like seeking god like can is it through a religion you don't view

00:46:48.760 | it as through a religion anymore correct i think different people need different things and i do not

00:46:54.120 | judge how people learn because for me like i said i went from pacific ocean to a religious puddle i think

00:47:01.720 | spirituality is very broad and i think you understand when you are able to like the bigger picture is

00:47:08.440 | frameless right so it's kind of like why would i say unless i'm in a cult that there's only one way

00:47:15.800 | to something because us having to all think the same that is the beginning of a dictatorship that's the

00:47:22.360 | beginning of a cult that is a lot of things that to me that just don't align with where i'm at

00:47:26.280 | um so i believe personally after just experience i i mean i went full in like there are people who are

00:47:35.480 | born muslim who are still not in hijab today the second two days three days before i took my shahada

00:47:41.240 | i was in hijab before i even took my shahada so i just feel like there are different things that people

00:47:48.200 | need throughout their journey and i feel like even when i had the hijab on it was like an invisibility

00:47:53.240 | cloak like nobody could see me so that was a layer of protection that when i was rebuilding myself from

00:48:00.040 | the dirt that i needed so it's just like i think different people need different stuff and to say that

00:48:06.840 | one way is it i think is incredibly irresponsible and just foolish so it's like there are plenty

00:48:12.760 | of people who tell me all the time who write me that i'm see you in hell sister like well you'll be

00:48:18.360 | right there with me babe like you know so i just feel like you know um i think you can implement all

00:48:24.440 | things um just because i'm not in hijab i'm still muslim in my heart just as much as i love astrology

00:48:29.880 | just as much so i love numerology just as much as probably back in 1876 i was considered a witch and

00:48:35.400 | burned at the stake i'm all of those things i don't have to like get discount one part you know of

00:48:42.040 | myself because this is who i am i feel that for a lot of christians i've experienced and i see that if

00:48:48.680 | you're a christian and you're not practicing it perfectly in their eyes it's the people that are

00:48:53.400 | supposed to lift you up and pray for you that end up tearing you down yeah and your experience if you

00:48:59.000 | aren't practicing perfectly how they want to like you said you receive comments have you have you

00:49:04.600 | experienced that it's from those same people that should be like lifting you up that are tearing you

00:49:09.320 | down the most yes i feel like that's a big problem in christianity that leads people away from even

00:49:14.680 | wanting to mess with it because it's the christian people that are the most judgmental the most

00:49:19.000 | hypocritical the most um pointing the finger and it draws people away even though that's not god doing

00:49:25.800 | that that's that's flawed people doing that but is it this have you experienced the same thing well of

00:49:29.720 | course um i feel like some of the nastiest comments were from people who i go to their page and you're

00:49:36.760 | muslim i think you would have to really sit back and wonder if this religion is so effective and there's

00:49:45.640 | only one way to to i guess be right in the eyes of god then all these people who are practicing how are

00:49:53.080 | and how and why are they missing the mark is there something in the curriculum is it just the lack of

00:49:59.240 | comprehension like where where are we not aligning here because if it's such a beautiful religion well

00:50:04.920 | then we shouldn't breed beautiful people of beautiful understanding right so then now it's like okay well it's

00:50:11.560 | clear to me that irony is truly spectacular and um i don't need a religion to be a good person i don't

00:50:20.360 | need any religion to smile at somebody on the street i don't need a religion to do good and be good

00:50:26.360 | you know i understand there is a creator that'd be foolish to think we're just running amok here just

00:50:33.080 | unsupervised you know but um i think it makes me wonder i question all religions if if the people

00:50:40.840 | in it are the most judgmental something isn't right in the water i think that too that's what i think a

00:50:47.080 | lot about about about about christianity a lot as well like if you if you are hearing from god if you have

00:50:51.960 | the holy spirit if you then then why is it not being shown in the way you live your life sometimes in the

00:50:58.200 | way you relate to people i think about that all the time and i also feel from even going to the mosques

00:51:03.480 | and i have seen and experienced myself any man who's like a kind of like a preacher who tried to have sex

00:51:12.200 | with me so it's like the people who are in these positions who should be the most devout leaders in

00:51:20.200 | that community quite contradicting here i am months into my journey telling you no but you are leading

00:51:29.640 | the moths that's that's that's the toughest thing for me so it's the people that are supposed to be in

00:51:36.120 | the word the most be praying the most be the closest to god that fall and shorten or while and out on the

00:51:43.560 | side and then they get exposed for i i've there's been theologians who have been exposed and i always

00:51:49.480 | question like how if you're the most you know educated on the bible you're speaking to god the

00:51:55.800 | most you're leading the christian community how are you like it that is something that is tough for me

00:52:01.560 | as well but i want to add to that is that even in that experience my empathy for him deepens because

00:52:09.480 | i think sometimes people wear religion and i can even speak from my experience too i think it is something

00:52:15.560 | that when i joined islam i felt like it was purifying me i felt better and more it it is like

00:52:25.880 | sometimes people cloak themselves with religion to have the appearance of being good because when i'm in

00:52:31.480 | full hijab or i'm in a niqab people automatically assume they don't know what's under here they don't

00:52:36.680 | know what's going on they're assuming i'm good so i'm benefiting from what religion brings that like that

00:52:42.440 | stereotype um but with even the imam it's so extreme that there's no room for humanity like there's no

00:52:53.720 | room for him to be a human like if i was in a different place i would have easily like had sex

00:52:58.840 | with him you know what i mean like what do you mean duh i would have you in the next week but it

00:53:02.520 | just where i was at it just wasn't it just wasn't where it was at that time i'm purifying you know

00:53:07.640 | but i think that's what actually made me feel for him because you know he hadn't experienced life he

00:53:14.520 | was married for a long time had eight seven eight kids and was with one woman and then here you are like

00:53:20.760 | you're divorced now how do you date so my empathy deepened for him because i'm like you that's what you

00:53:29.480 | you want to try the buffet of life and you just are like but that's not you know i feel like that's

00:53:37.640 | an amazing place to get to when people either wrong you or they're just bad people in life instead of

00:53:42.920 | judging having empathy like that shows where you're at in your life and that's really remarkable to me

00:53:48.120 | um what about you where are you at in your walk with everything i mean i was baptized so i was i

00:53:56.680 | was raised like catholic like we my parents and family did we went to catholic church but as i gotten

00:54:02.840 | older um i found myself on the christian side of things like i'm a christian um but

00:54:12.200 | uh to piggyback off what you said too it's like i know in my heart and i feel like um where i'm at

00:54:19.720 | i'm i don't go to church like every week or i'm not doing the things that we're technically supposed

00:54:26.840 | to be doing like we all sin differently i feel like but like in my heart like i believe in god i try not

00:54:33.640 | to just like it's like my guideline that keeps me center to myself like i want a man who also

00:54:40.200 | believes in god and can when he's messing up or something's going on he looks at himself and is like

00:54:45.240 | how am i gonna make how how would god what would god tell me to do right now yeah like i want that

00:54:49.720 | to like set real him in yeah you know and it's like not like you have to go to church all that we

00:54:54.360 | have to do all these things but it's like it has to center your life yeah being known that there's

00:54:59.560 | someone over this whole thing like watching and and that's that's that's a good thing i also just

00:55:06.360 | think religion too it's a guideline it's not a law book so agree my last question for y'all is y'all are

00:55:15.480 | both obviously have your own things going on you know never needed a dude whatever talk about talk about

00:55:23.400 | a little bit about um the i i feel like you you have businesses going on correct and i don't know

00:55:30.040 | what you got going on but what's what y'all got going on like day to day like what's y'all's lives

00:55:34.280 | look like how are you how are you making a crack is it is it mostly social media for you i've heard you

00:55:38.760 | have some businesses as well i mean i'm i'm day to day i'm moment to moment social social media has

00:55:45.320 | changed a lot the way that i've made my money has changed um i think you know companies have smartened

00:55:51.000 | up too and and then it's also the over saturation of a girl will take free clothes over money who's

00:55:56.440 | still you know so uh yeah i'm i'm figuring it out really i don't yeah i mean i think it's like as an

00:56:03.560 | entrepreneur and being on social media for 13 years it's like it just changed a lot so you got to adjust

00:56:08.360 | with the times i think for me um my thing that i'm focused on is streaming in my own podcast so it's

00:56:16.680 | very very entertaining that's what you need to do because no one no one speaks with the conviction

00:56:22.920 | you do and has a personality you do you're one of a kind so you got to somehow express that in your own

00:56:29.640 | way for sure she is she is what about um so i feel like mom like i've been focused on mom mode and um

00:56:38.920 | now i want to get into starting my own business i have an idea that i'm working on right now and then i

00:56:44.440 | started my non-profit which is stronger than stroke so that's awesome yeah so that to me has been really

00:56:49.400 | fulfilling and um so yeah i'm excited for what's to come with that and to see where it goes um and then

00:56:58.040 | my own business kind of i kind of got inspired with basketball wives like there were some things that came

00:57:02.920 | up for me that i was like wow i can actually do this this is a lane for me um so just exploring that more

00:57:08.840 | more is like my focus yeah i have a question though what i'm curious about is what made you want to sit

00:57:16.840 | down and talk with us um well honestly because i've i've seen i've known her for a while i've seen how

00:57:25.400 | she gets criticized unfairly and then i know you were in a semi-o situation i know you guys are friends

00:57:31.080 | and i've always kept up with some of your videos from way back in the day i watched some of your podcasts

00:57:35.960 | that you've done and i've always respected the way that you think and the in the way that you're able

00:57:40.920 | to articulate your feelings that is very rare and the fact that you can go in any room and talk to

00:57:45.560 | anybody about any subject and you know what you're talking about so it was more it was more wanting to

00:57:50.520 | like not have a a debate but have a like have a conversation and and and understand like where you

00:57:57.560 | guys coming are coming from yeah in your situations and the way you view things because i feel like

00:58:03.480 | these type of conversations um are usually like this side versus this side instead of people trying to

00:58:09.320 | understand both sides and have have empathy like you said and i feel like that's what we're missing and

00:58:15.960 | that was the whole point of curious mike was not only to have people on here that you agree with or you

00:58:20.520 | whatever but have people on here that you can learn from and i feel like a lot of people can learn

00:58:26.680 | especially in my shoes like as an athlete as whatever um people think very differently than

00:58:34.760 | you guys sometimes i feel like there's a lot of understanding to be had so i just thought that was

00:58:39.240 | the reason and i appreciate you i appreciate that i feel like a big part of life too and just like figuring

00:58:44.440 | we're all trying to figure it out and it's like i want to understand why people think the way that

00:58:48.200 | they think and why they do what they do so yeah i feel really seen it was dope no i'm glad you guys

00:58:53.720 | pulled up so we gonna wrap it up man curious mike out