E46: False Ivermectin narratives, regulatory grift, wartime mentality in solving issues & more

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00:01:17.360 | Okay, so first up in the news, Rolling Stone amplifies false ivermectin story.

00:01:23.280 | You were following this, Chamath.

00:01:24.560 | What do you think this ivermectin...

00:01:27.040 | Yeah.

00:01:27.280 | ...controversy and...

00:01:29.040 | Do you want to give a little summary of what the issue is before we talk about the

00:01:33.680 | hypocrisy of it?

00:01:34.560 | Well, on September 1st, Oklahoma news station K4 ran a story and published an article

00:01:40.480 | on ivermectin overdoses backing up rural hospitals.

00:01:45.200 | The article was titled Patients Overdosing on Ivermectin Backing Up Rural Oklahoma Hospital,

00:01:52.240 | Hospitals and Ambulances.

00:01:54.800 | First line of the article, quote, "A rural hospital is a rural hospital.

00:01:56.800 | A rural Oklahoma doctor said patients who are taking the home dewormer medication, ivermectin,

00:02:03.040 | to fight COVID-19 are causing emergency rooms and ambulances to back up."

00:02:08.160 | On September 3rd, Rolling Stone amplified the story in its own article.

00:02:11.680 | The only problem was they treated...

00:02:14.320 | They tweeted it with a picture that featured people lined up in the cold.

00:02:20.080 | It turns out the picture was people waiting for vaccine shots back in January, not gunshot,

00:02:26.560 | and they were waiting for the vaccine shots to be delivered.

00:02:28.560 | The story is totally false.

00:02:31.600 | You understand that, right?

00:02:32.480 | Well, I didn't want to say fake news, but I know...

00:02:34.800 | No, it was beyond fake news.

00:02:37.520 | This was basically a doctored-up, conjured article by some person trying to incite a

00:02:42.400 | moral mania at Rolling Stone.

00:02:44.880 | Look, you tell me if the science of this is wrong.

00:02:47.600 | The whole premise is ridiculous.

00:02:49.920 | So, ivermectin basically, as far as we know, because we don't know that much, acts on a

00:02:55.440 | handful of...

00:02:56.960 | Specific characteristics.

00:02:58.240 | One we know to be glutamate, which we don't really express in the same way as like fucking

00:03:02.400 | worms.

00:03:02.800 | So, yes, technically it can be used as a dewormer, but there are four or five other ways in which

00:03:07.680 | it acts, which we don't know anything about because we haven't taken the time to do a

00:03:11.360 | broad-based, double-blind study.

00:03:13.040 | I think the fairest thing to say about ivermectin is we don't know what it is.

00:03:17.680 | Neither the people that propose to use it as a solution for COVID, nor the people that

00:03:24.160 | rail against it aren't really...

00:03:25.440 | Really starting from the basis of fact.

00:03:27.600 | But then what happens is you have these folks who basically are so turned off by the idea

00:03:31.920 | that people aren't getting vaccines, they're going to use this other thing.

00:03:36.880 | They basically doctor it up an article.

00:03:38.720 | That wouldn't be so bad because nobody reads Rolling Stone.

00:03:41.360 | It's kind of a...

00:03:42.960 | It's an ancient brand.

00:03:45.280 | It's an ancient brand.

00:03:45.360 | Nobody's going there for medical news.

00:03:46.000 | Nobody reads it.

00:03:47.200 | But then the problem is you get a handful of these folks who think they're really, really

00:03:50.400 | smart who amplify it.

00:03:51.840 | Rachel Maddow amplifies it.

00:03:53.200 | Jimmy Kimmel does it on a comedy series.

00:03:55.380 | And then all of a sudden there's this enormous outrage.

00:03:57.720 | But the problem is you can't put the genie back in the bottle when it turns out to be

00:04:01.120 | a completely fabricated lie.

00:04:02.720 | And then all the people that are purporting to basically push this lie who now have been

00:04:07.840 | outed have no consequences because they're on the left screaming at the right.

00:04:12.720 | And what happened when it was the other way around, we basically started to put people

00:04:17.200 | in boxes.

00:04:17.760 | We basically kicked them off these platforms.

00:04:19.560 | And again, so you have this compounding building double standard.

00:04:22.760 | That to me is the worst part about it.

00:04:26.080 | David, when we look at the Ivermectin story, we also saw Joe Rogan got COVID. That was a big

00:04:32.640 | "ha-ha" moment for a lot of people. And he took Ivermectin as part of his treatment,

00:04:37.600 | and then people started amplifying that he was taking a worm drug for horses.

00:04:41.600 | Dewormer.

00:04:42.320 | Dewormer. And—

00:04:43.840 | It's, at best, an antimicrobial.

00:04:45.680 | Right. And it's used for both situations,

00:04:48.000 | and a doctor prescribed it to him. He's thinking of suing some folks for treating this. What does

00:04:52.320 | this overall say about the state of communications around this pandemic?

00:04:56.640 | Yeah, I mean, look, this is really a media story. You had Rolling Stone publish this article based

00:05:02.320 | on a single source. You have this one crank basically saying that emergency rooms are

00:05:07.280 | turning away gunshot victims and people having heart attacks, okay? And all they had to do,

00:05:12.560 | all Rolling Stone had to do was call up any one of these several hospitals, they immediately would

00:05:16.720 | have refuted the source. But they didn't do that. They also could have simply Googled

00:05:22.080 | the name of the hospital. They could have simply Googled the name of the hospital.

00:05:22.080 | They could have simply Googled the name of the hospital. They could have simply Googled the

00:05:22.080 | name of the hospital. They could have simply Googled the name of the hospital. They could have simply

00:05:22.080 | Googled the name of the hospital. They could have simply Googled the name of the hospital. They could

00:05:22.080 | the number of toxic ivermectin cases to find out if it was even plausible statistically

00:05:27.280 | that you could have ivermectin overdoses flooding oklahoma hospitals but they didn't do that either

00:05:32.560 | why didn't they confirm the sources because the article was too perfect it confirmed all of their

00:05:39.200 | priors their first prior was about ivermectin they've been waging this war on ivermectin

00:05:44.880 | claiming it's a horse dewormer when it's actually that is one of its purposes but it's not the only

00:05:50.400 | one it was a it was a drug designed for humans and it's used against parasites now as jamas said

00:05:55.920 | we don't know whether it's effective against covid they got to do the double blind studies

00:06:00.880 | and we'll find out but that was sort of their first prior and let's face it the second prior

00:06:05.360 | was that this is in oklahoma right and so rolling stone wants to believe you have

00:06:09.520 | all these mega idiots out in oklahoma eating horse paste okay and that's why

00:06:14.720 | they love this story so much and that's why rachel maddow loved the story so much and she then starts

00:06:19.600 | spreading it okay and after she gets called out including by say glenn greenwald as of last night

00:06:24.880 | she had not taken it down now why because she knows there are no consequences for misinformation

00:06:30.240 | and lying why because twitter and facebook do not punish people on the left for misinformation

00:06:35.760 | that is sub penalty they only meter out for people who disagree with their cultural and

00:06:40.640 | political biases she's not part of the secret cabal that gets the get out of jail free card

00:06:45.200 | i don't i don't even think it's secret i just think these people all are part of the same

00:06:49.520 | cultural sort of milieu they all have the same political and cultural biases and there is never

00:06:55.440 | look where is the twitter warning the twitter label on the rachel maddow post even now saying

00:07:01.200 | that this tweet this article is misinformation uh it doesn't exist because it's inconvenient

00:07:07.200 | freebird let's talk about the science of i think i would pay 40 for all in podcast live it's dynamic

00:07:13.440 | it works yeah by the way you're on the show so okay i'm here too um tell me the live

00:07:19.440 | live is the last time we heard a news story that didn't have bias to it what was the last general

00:07:24.880 | thing that was reported that we didn't feel had the angle that then elicited emotion either love

00:07:31.680 | or hate or alignment or not um you can have that reaction to facts there was an article in the

00:07:36.800 | wall street journal just now about like the the democrats proposal on taxes i have an emotional

00:07:41.760 | reaction to it but it's fact-based i've got a hundred is it really was it my reaction or no the

00:07:48.640 | story

00:07:49.360 | yeah they just said that they the the house proposal now is to move the cap gains rate to

00:07:54.640 | from 20 to 25 the corporate tax rate from whatever it was to 26 and a half but it's it my point is

00:08:01.840 | there are articles written by folks who just want to get the facts across and let you judge whether

00:08:07.280 | it's good or bad who knows time will tell then there are folks that basically manufacture because

00:08:13.600 | again i think and i think it's matt taibi that said this because it creates moral mania and they want

00:08:19.280 | to drive drives the narrative drive the emotion but it's the last grasp of power of journalism

00:08:23.840 | that's all they have left at this point is just to basically make it a complete free-for-all

00:08:28.320 | and in it they still have some kind of relevancy i have these old new york times

00:08:32.480 | uh newspapers like the whole year printed from like 1936 through 1944 it's cool it's like in

00:08:37.600 | this huge book and you know but you must have been out all the time but you didn't have time

00:08:42.560 | to read those yeah i mean but you flip through these things they're like they are they are just

00:08:48.560 | like old like ticker stories you know it had absolutely no like narrative attached to it

00:08:53.600 | there was no like these are the people almost the implicit right and wrong right the implicit

00:08:58.080 | morality of every decision that's being made of everything that's being reported on i have a

00:09:01.760 | feeling the only thing that's going to be left in like 10 years is the economist and then like

00:09:05.200 | the mob rule in the metaverse and that's kind of well i mean you also have podcasts where people

00:09:09.360 | can discuss these things and maybe a more um honest there's so few great podcasts like that

00:09:16.560 | mr mr anti-facebook what do you think of the podcast you're doing right now i'm not sure if

00:09:18.480 | you're doing it right now i'm not sure if you're doing it in the future but i'm not sure if you're

00:09:19.360 | doing it right now i'm not sure if you're doing it in the future but i'm not sure if you're doing it

00:09:19.840 | in the future but i'm not sure if you're doing it in the future but i'm not sure if you're doing it in the future

00:09:20.240 | a secret cabal that basically gets to get out of jail free card on facebook and nobody else does

00:09:24.400 | millions of people though that said right yeah that's a lot you work there it's exactly the

00:09:30.480 | point i've been making right which is that there's two sets of rules if you are part of the in crowd

00:09:36.720 | if you share the cultural biases if you're part of the same class whether it's you know

00:09:41.920 | socioeconomic or political or whatever that of the people who are doing the content moderation

00:09:46.720 | doing the censorship you get a a lot of people who are part of the in crowd who are part of the in

00:09:48.400 | crowd who are part of the in crowd who are part of the in crowd who are part of the in crowd who are

00:09:48.640 | get out jail free card the rules are different for you you can be rachel maddow and post an article

00:09:53.520 | that's complete and even after the entire twitter sphere calls you out you don't post a correction

00:09:59.120 | but you don't get labeled you don't get censored but if you're on a different part of the political

00:10:03.200 | spectrum you do i mean there's two sets of rules yeah i mean i think i think it's insane i mean

00:10:09.120 | this is exactly what i think people have been saying for a long time when people say oh you

00:10:13.120 | know it's algorithmic it's not really human controlled there's there's no real intervention

00:10:17.040 | and then you find out there's actually

00:10:18.320 | a lot of people who are like oh yeah you know there's a lot of people who are like oh yeah you're

00:10:19.680 | right there's no real intervention and then you find out there's actually literally something

00:10:22.080 | called cross check which its definition is check the hue you know check the algorithm and override

00:10:27.120 | it with my own bias that's the that's the definition of what the feature is well i mean it

00:10:30.960 | whenever we start down this censorship route like who gets to decide and then what is their

00:10:36.400 | motivation even if they have pure motivation there's no way to you know not but assume the

00:10:42.480 | platforms die assume everything deplatforms and decentralizes and then like all media is through

00:10:48.240 | or through other kind of media decentralized uh crypto based exactly and so twitter there's no

00:10:53.680 | longer a platform there's no longer a sensor model what's going to end up happening people are going

00:10:57.520 | to click on the stuff that they want to hear confirmation bias it's going to become more

00:11:02.320 | extreme it's going to become you know even more heated there's going to be splintering of media

00:11:06.480 | creation as there is right now that we see today right every every element of the spectrum will

00:11:10.480 | be kind of produced and you're going to end up clicking on the stuff that creates the greatest

00:11:13.600 | emotional response because that's what people like to consume how does a citizen who wants to inoculate

00:11:18.160 | themselves from fake news bias how do you recommend they go after science and how do they

00:11:23.680 | have to learn this stuff for themselves they have to try to become an expert themselves yeah it's

00:11:27.520 | hard like anything that's hard right i mean there's got to be a will i don't think that that's

00:11:31.120 | really um it's it's not to be discouraging i just think that it's a lot easier to not do that right

00:11:37.920 | so it's a lot easier to consume ice cream all the time it's a lot more fun to consume ice cream all

00:11:42.880 | the time and to kind of plan your diet eat healthy and work out and all this sort of stuff and i

00:11:46.160 | think that's really where you know media is going to be able to do that right so i think that's really

00:11:48.080 | where you know media is going to be able to do that right so i think that's really where you know media like a lot of things it's headed

00:11:49.920 | media like a lot of things it's headed as we create these kind of feedback loops that are

00:11:52.000 | as we create these kind of feedback loops that are

00:11:52.000 | as we create these kind of feedback loops that are all because everything's digital everything ends

00:11:53.440 | all because everything's digital everything ends

00:11:53.440 | all because everything's digital everything ends up becoming its feedback i bet you

00:11:55.280 | up becoming its feedback i bet you

00:11:55.280 | up becoming its feedback i bet you i bet you if you look inside because like now

00:11:59.040 | i bet you i bet you if you look inside because like now

00:11:59.040 | i bet you i bet you if you look inside because like now some rabid politician will get a hold of

00:12:00.720 | some rabid politician will get a hold of

00:12:00.720 | some rabid politician will get a hold of this facebook crosscheck thing i bet you

00:12:03.200 | this facebook crosscheck thing i bet you

00:12:03.200 | this facebook crosscheck thing i bet you um if you look and graph the number of

00:12:06.240 | um if you look and graph the number of

00:12:06.240 | um if you look and graph the number of people that were essentially white

00:12:07.840 | people that were essentially white

00:12:07.840 | people that were essentially white listed from being able to say whatever

00:12:09.360 | listed from being able to say whatever

00:12:09.360 | listed from being able to say whatever the hell they want

00:12:10.800 | the hell they want

00:12:10.800 | the hell they want versus what was popular on facebook

00:12:12.800 | versus what was popular on facebook

00:12:12.800 | versus what was popular on facebook you'd see a left versus right

00:12:14.160 | you'd see a left versus right

00:12:14.160 | you'd see a left versus right distribution very clearly

00:12:16.000 | distribution very clearly

00:12:16.000 | distribution very clearly you'd basically see it because if you

00:12:17.600 | you'd basically see it because if you

00:12:17.600 | you'd basically see it because if you look at it now i think there's a

00:12:19.440 | look at it now i think there's a

00:12:19.440 | look at it now i think there's a i can't remember his name but he's a he's

00:12:21.120 | i can't remember his name but he's a he's

00:12:21.120 | i can't remember his name but he's a he's a former new york times reporter

00:12:22.560 | a former new york times reporter

00:12:22.560 | a former new york times reporter that tweets out every day

00:12:24.320 | that tweets out every day

00:12:24.320 | that tweets out every day um the top 10 links that are shared on

00:12:26.480 | um the top 10 links that are shared on

00:12:26.480 | um the top 10 links that are shared on facebook and it's like a

00:12:28.320 | facebook and it's like a

00:12:28.320 | facebook and it's like a train wreck it's like one normal

00:12:30.960 | train wreck it's like one normal

00:12:30.960 | train wreck it's like one normal article and then it's like nine like

00:12:33.440 | article and then it's like nine like

00:12:33.440 | article and then it's like nine like right-wing info wars ben shapiro

00:12:36.560 | right-wing info wars ben shapiro

00:12:36.560 | It's a train wreck every day. So if you're a hipster sitting in East Menlo Park,

00:12:41.840 | at some point the cuffs in your jeans are rolled up too tight. The fucking shirt cuffs are rolled

00:12:47.120 | up too tight. You're just freaking out. Then you're like, "We need to create something.

00:12:52.640 | What do we call it?" And we're like, "Cross check." And then all of a sudden what happens

00:12:57.600 | is you just start introducing people hoping that then the list that gets published every day on

00:13:02.480 | Twitter changes. But then what happens actually is you find the exact opposite thing happens.

00:13:08.080 | That people are so like they sniff out the bullshit. They're like, "What is going on here?"

00:13:12.960 | But then they double down. And the next thing you know, Ben Shapiro's eight of the 10 top

00:13:18.000 | stories every day on Facebook and that's how you have Donald Trump and everything else.

00:13:22.080 | Next topic.

00:13:25.200 | Go ahead.

00:13:28.880 | Well, it's going to, I mean, I don't want to believe her.

00:13:30.640 | They did it to themselves.

00:13:31.360 | Yeah, look. I think

00:13:32.400 | you're right. I think they did it to themselves.

00:13:32.420 | Yeah. I think they did it to themselves.

00:13:32.440 | Yeah. I think they did it to themselves.

00:13:32.480 | I think both sides are capable of, both sides of the political spectrum are capable of spreading

00:13:37.920 | misinformation and bullshit. And you have to vary your information diet, right? I mean,

00:13:42.160 | if all you do is participate in the right wing or left wing echo chamber, you're going to buy into

00:13:48.720 | the Ivermectin hoax. You're going to be storing here from Rolling Stone or whatever it is. So,

00:13:55.040 | you have to make an effort to, again, to vary your information diet.

00:13:59.280 | Or masks.

00:13:59.680 | But.

00:14:00.560 | Or the

00:14:02.400 | lab leak theory.

00:14:03.440 | The lab leak theory, exactly.

00:14:04.880 | We now have five of these during the pandemic alone, right?

00:14:07.440 | Right. But see, what I object to is the fact that the censorship rules only seem to apply

00:14:14.240 | to one side of the spectrum. Look, both sides are capable of spreading misinformation,

00:14:19.040 | but only one side is being censored. Why? Because the people running these powerful tech companies

00:14:24.240 | agree. They're like, you know, 90 plus percent of that political persuasion. That is not healthy.

00:14:28.880 | Can we survey the audience and see if they agree?

00:14:31.440 | Sure.

00:14:31.760 | Raise your hand if you agree with Sachs.

00:14:33.600 | How many people agree with Sachs that Trump should be reinstated on all platforms?

00:14:37.360 | All right, there you go. How many people agree that the tech platforms have a political bias?

00:14:45.520 | How many disagree with that statement?

00:14:48.320 | Nobody.

00:14:49.680 | Interesting.

00:14:50.080 | So, tell.

00:14:50.640 | Phil Doit's wife is a chief business officer at Facebook. Thanks, Phil.

00:14:55.760 | Tell us. Let us check you with Phil after the next vesting date.

00:15:00.080 | Requisite hand wrote.

00:15:01.120 | Super.

00:15:01.680 | For the viewers at home who couldn't see that, because I don't know. Do we have the audience on

00:15:05.280 | the camera?

00:15:05.760 | No.

00:15:06.000 | No.

00:15:06.560 | Go ahead.

00:15:06.880 | So, it was 99 percent.

00:15:08.400 | No, everyone.

00:15:09.920 | Everyone except for Phil Doit.

00:15:11.520 | Well, and these are Silicon, best described as Silicon Valley.

00:15:14.480 | He needs to go home to Barney, so that's why he had to raise his hand.

00:15:17.280 | No, but to be clear for people listening.

00:15:18.720 | Phil's wife works at Facebook.

00:15:19.760 | 100 percent.

00:15:20.240 | He's got it. He's got to say no. It's okay. It's okay.

00:15:23.120 | 99 percent.

00:15:23.600 | But everybody else here agreed with that, and these are all people who are in the tech industry.

00:15:28.960 | They know.

00:15:29.520 | Yeah.

00:15:30.000 | They know.

00:15:30.480 | They know.

00:15:30.800 | How many of us are Democrats? I mean, we're all mostly Democrats, I would guess.

00:15:34.800 | How many people voted Democrat in the last election?

00:15:36.880 | How many are not Democrats?

00:15:38.000 | How many people voted for Trump? Raise your hand nice and high.

00:15:40.560 | No, nobody.

00:15:41.040 | Raise your hand.

00:15:41.840 | Nobody? No, literally, there's only... That's very interesting.

00:15:44.800 | Seriously, take everyone out of here.

00:15:46.240 | Here's a question I have. Okay, so we are firmly going down, because I think it's pretty clear to

00:15:51.600 | me, I'd be willing to make the bet, that the media is on the side of vaccine mandates. They want the

00:16:00.000 | top-down control and the sense of theoretical safety that a vaccine mandate gives them in their

00:16:06.320 | own little bubble, and so that's why I think they support this. I think blowing up ivermectin was a

00:16:13.280 | method of many that they've undertaken to do that, whether we believe in vaccine mandates or not.

00:16:18.080 | But now it's coming. It's coming in the LA school district. Biden is trying to push this thing

00:16:22.640 | through the BLS. This is going to be a very, very big deal. What do you guys think is the right thing

00:16:28.960 | to do on vaccine mandates? What do you think is the right thing to do on vaccine mandates?

00:16:29.520 | Irrespective of all we're going to hear over the next...

00:16:33.440 | Government or private employer mandates, or both?

00:16:38.080 | Well, let's walk through it.

00:16:39.520 | You're saying both?

00:16:40.160 | For the government employees, let's start with that.

00:16:43.600 | Yeah.

00:16:44.000 | Well, the government mandate. No, it goes through the BLS. It says any company,

00:16:47.520 | public or private, that is 100 employees or more.

00:16:50.320 | Well, I mean, I think we all agree that people in the military or people in healthcare,

00:16:54.560 | they should all be vaccinated or they shouldn't come to work, correct?

00:16:59.040 | Well, that's also not even enforceable. Andrew Ross Sorkin tweeted out he had to take his kid to

00:17:06.240 | the urgent care. And he walked in and the doctors weren't wearing masks or something.

00:17:11.040 | Yeah, I read that.

00:17:11.840 | And said something about not being vaccinated, it doesn't matter, blah, blah, blah.

00:17:15.600 | And he like-

00:17:16.080 | Well, that goes to enforcement, but I mean-

00:17:17.680 | Moral, liberal outrage-

00:17:18.400 | The military has said you have to be-

00:17:20.080 | And I thought, wait, you brought your kid to the fucking urgent care. Don't you first need

00:17:23.440 | to know what's wrong with the kid? You can't prosecute this person's opinion on masks and

00:17:27.760 | vaccines before you figure out what's wrong with your kid.

00:17:29.600 | Well, what do you think, Sachs? Military-

00:17:32.720 | Parenting, but you're not-

00:17:33.600 | Military, healthcare, teachers.

00:17:35.600 | I think the crux of the issue is whether employers should be able to require that. Well,

00:17:40.480 | there's two issues. One is whether employers should be allowed to require it, which I think

00:17:45.280 | everybody agrees, not everyone, but most people I think agree that private employers,

00:17:50.480 | and you could lump the government in with this, should be allowed to

00:17:53.040 | test their employees or require their employees to be vaccinated if

00:17:57.280 | they want to. Or at least I would support that part of it, is let private enterprises

00:18:03.120 | require vaccination if they want. If they decide, hey, in order to come back to the office,

00:18:06.880 | you got to be vaccinated. It's for everyone's safety. They can impose those rules.

00:18:10.800 | Now, the question is, do we need to go beyond that to have a federal mandate?

00:18:16.080 | And it's not that I'm anti-vaccine. I just think that's like an awfully authoritarian thing to do.

00:18:22.240 | And it raises a bunch of questions. So for example,

00:18:27.440 | I have a friend who owns a chain of dry cleaners. He's got over 100 employees,

00:18:31.440 | mostly minimum wage in a bunch of different locations. About 20% of his employees-

00:18:35.520 | What is his ethnicity?

00:18:36.640 | What does that have to do with anything?

00:18:39.600 | Just curious.

00:18:40.160 | He's Sri Lankan. Anyway, so-

00:18:44.960 | He's the third most famous Sri Lankan American. Keep going.

00:18:48.240 | Yes. Anyway, so he's got 100 employees. About 20% of them are anti-vax,

00:18:52.720 | and they will not get vaccinated. So they will walk out if this is required.

00:18:58.640 | Do another job.

00:18:59.440 | Do another job. Hold on. But he can't run his business if there's a 20% walkout. He just can't

00:19:04.320 | do it. So now we get to the soft part of the mandate, which is, well, instead of requiring

00:19:10.160 | the vax, he can do a weekly test. Well, we did that outside here. Who's going to pay for those

00:19:15.120 | tests? Who's going to administer them? Is it like they had a nurse out here with the full-

00:19:22.240 | Hazmat.

00:19:23.120 | Yeah, the hazmat thing. So that's not cheap. So who's going to pay for that? Who's going to do

00:19:27.680 | that? What's the documentation around that going to be? Is that get logged into the computer system?

00:19:32.320 | What kind of proof? Does it require a trip to the lab? Or is this something we can do in five

00:19:36.960 | minutes? I mean, look, if we had done what Freeberg said a year ago on this pod we should do,

00:19:42.000 | which is have these $1 five-minute tests be available everywhere,

00:19:46.640 | then maybe that sort of rapid test out would make these mandates more palatable. But we

00:19:51.760 | don't have that yet. There aren't enough of these things.

00:19:54.880 | It turns out we still need it even with the vaccines, because no vaccine is going to be 100%

00:19:58.320 | effective. And with-

00:19:59.360 | Right. But my point is, since we don't really have that solution operationalized, having a hard

00:20:05.360 | vax mandate on 100 million employees of private enterprises, that's going to cause, I think,

00:20:12.560 | chaos in the economy.

00:20:13.760 | What if we get a variant, David, or if we get a variant, God forbid, that is more dangerous than

00:20:20.720 | Delta? Let's say it's-

00:20:21.280 | Let's say it spreads just as fast, but it's five times as deadly. Does that change your thinking

00:20:25.600 | about this mandate? And where do you stand on the mandate?

00:20:27.680 | No, I think the mandate in this very specific narrow instance makes sense. And I think what

00:20:32.240 | we should be fighting about is how we actually write it so that it's not wholly expansive.

00:20:37.760 | And the reason is because we know that there is a probabilistic distribution of outcomes where

00:20:45.040 | a non-trivial percentage of them results in a variant that is deadly. And so we can understand

00:20:50.800 | the math and we can understand a sense of time to figure out that if we don't do something,

00:20:56.080 | and if we don't get to some amount of control around what this is, we're all in really big

00:21:02.640 | trouble. So because of that specific thing, I just think this is where, look, the president

00:21:09.440 | has the ability to invoke the War Measures Act to do all kinds of things that are super normal.

00:21:13.440 | And we would never say that those abide in normal times, and we've created a framework for him to be

00:21:20.320 | able to do those things in non-normal times and then revert to normal. I think this is one of those

00:21:25.200 | cases just because I don't think the economic consequences and the social consequences,

00:21:29.840 | if we let this thing continue to compound and continue to mutate, it doesn't make any

00:21:34.880 | fucking sense. We're not learning anything. We could have used the War Mandate Act

00:21:41.200 | across two presidencies to demand some companies make a dollar test.

00:21:45.520 | Yeah.

00:21:45.840 | We have 75, 80 tests approved in Germany. They're down to two or three dollars.

00:21:49.840 | Why has the FDA not gotten us to that level that Germany's at? And why haven't we done the

00:21:57.680 | War Mandate Act?

00:21:58.400 | I mean, we have a constructed capitalist model of let the free market tell the government what

00:22:04.720 | is the right thing to do. And so then they invite Abbott, and they invite the guys in,

00:22:09.360 | and they're like, the White House, and they have a consortium meeting, and everyone's a little bit

00:22:13.920 | chuckling about this. Like, "Oh, this is awesome. It's another $2 billion payday," which is what

00:22:17.120 | they just got. I don't know if you saw.

00:22:19.360 | I don't know if you saw the write up today. But the federal government is paying Walmart

00:22:25.120 | for the difference between the wholesale cost and the retail cost so that consumers can now go buy

00:22:29.840 | Abbott tests at the wholesale price at the store. $2 billion taxpayer money gone.

00:22:34.000 | When we could have had a bunch of smart scientists get together at the White House with a bunch of

00:22:41.440 | engineers, take over a frigging factory, and on a piece of paper, print 8 billion fucking tests,

00:22:46.880 | and then chop them up and distribute them for free.

00:22:47.440 | And then chop them up and distribute them for free.

00:22:47.460 | And then chop them up and distribute them for free.

00:22:47.540 | And then chop them up and distribute them for free.

00:22:47.600 | And then chop them up and distribute them for free.

00:22:47.680 | And then chop them up and distribute them for free.

00:22:47.760 | And then chop them up and distribute them for free.

00:22:47.840 | And then chop them up and distribute them for free.

00:22:49.360 | And then chop them up and distribute them for free.

00:22:50.400 | And then chop them up and distribute them for free.

00:22:50.560 | Instead, we have this problem where we're like, depending on the Korean supply, I kid you not,

00:22:55.920 | of the test kits that are like plastic, that's where they make all the like pregnancy test kits

00:23:00.000 | and all this stuff. And these, this like the commercial model is like, tell us how you want

00:23:05.360 | to make these tests, tell us what the right model is. And of course, you end up with a $30 test when

00:23:09.600 | in Germany, you can go buy a 50 cent test at any liquor store. And so it's constructed,

00:23:15.840 | straight up corruption. And if you can't buy a 50 cent test at any liquor store, it's constructed.

00:23:15.920 | And if you can't buy a 50 cent test at any liquor store, it's constructed.

00:23:17.360 | And if you go back, like, you know, I don't know if you know this, but the production board's

00:23:20.640 | named after the-

00:23:21.200 | Straight into the microphone.

00:23:22.160 | Named after the war production board, which was set up during World War Two.

00:23:26.560 | It's pretty humble.

00:23:27.520 | What's that?

00:23:28.080 | It's pretty humble.

00:23:29.280 | Yeah. Took the war out. You know, but it was, but the idea was like, how do you take a system level

00:23:37.280 | design approach to solving kind of big problems? And one of the issues that we had during World

00:23:44.720 | War Two was the supply chain.

00:23:45.760 | Supply chain.

00:23:45.840 | Supply chain.

00:23:45.920 | problem on making tanks and planes and so they put together a bunch of smart people

00:23:50.960 | deutsch knows this better than anyone because he was alive he was alive and he was you can look at

00:23:54.960 | the old photos he was there guys you have the hammer before he dies he may be in the factory

00:24:00.080 | floor old as and um and there was basically a coordinated effort it's his birthday today

00:24:05.760 | by the way sorry la kaim happy birthday happy birthday um but there was a coordinated effort

00:24:11.600 | by engineers at the top down to design a system for making these things cheap and fast and that's

00:24:17.760 | an approach that i think we lost right like we kind of gave way to this model of yeah laissez

00:24:22.720 | faire like you come in you tell me what you think we should do okay that's a good idea let's take

00:24:26.320 | photos and we're out and that's it like we don't have a wartime mentality right now we haven't had

00:24:30.560 | a wartime mentality since covet hit everyone's continued to try and parade around and get

00:24:34.960 | reelected and you know earn votes we're not taking this but we're not acting we're you know like

00:24:40.400 | every everything

00:24:41.520 | time kind of a business or a government or any organization goes through a phase it goes through

00:24:45.520 | a wartime phase or a peace time phase we should be acting like we're in a wartime phase and we're not

00:24:49.360 | can i ask you a question if you may three or four of us basically pulling it up some money

00:24:53.920 | could you go and print eight billion of these tests in the u.s you cannot get them

00:24:58.240 | approved without the fda i'm not asking for approval i'm saying could you do it 100

00:25:01.840 | and how long you could buy some old freaking paper mill and in three months i mean you know this

00:25:06.480 | actually people in this room who could do this in um now isn't there a framework within fd

00:25:11.440 | a that basically allows you to effectively experiment on yourself there's a compassion

00:25:19.040 | there's a it's for drugs it's for therapeutics not for diagnostics so you're saying that if i

00:25:23.680 | want you can't build my own test and use it if you want to build it if you want to build a diagnostic

00:25:27.360 | test that tells someone whether or not they have a an illness you have to get fda approval in the

00:25:31.440 | united states so that's also published the foreign statement is regulatory capture like is one of the

00:25:38.720 | biggest issues we have and in related uh news

00:25:41.280 | by the way another insane statistic just sorry to interrupt i saw this today

00:25:44.720 | i forgot someone we know tweeted this the who wants to guess the ratio of administrators to

00:25:51.600 | doctors in the u.s healthcare system 300 to one yeah i saw it 300 to one yeah 900 to one today

00:25:57.840 | oh my god and that is up from five to one in 1970. by the way can i just build on what you said 900

00:26:04.080 | to one your initial tweet said 300 to one and it ended in 2010 right before obamacare passed

00:26:10.000 | so from 300 to 900

00:26:11.200 | yeah i think 900 was all obamacare yeah regulatory capture sax is shaking his head which by the way

00:26:16.400 | uh nothing against obamacare because i think like coming as a canadian i actually believe in

00:26:20.080 | subsidized healthcare and i think the the principle of obamacare was great but there was one fatal flaw

00:26:25.120 | which is it basically said okay you know what you're capped at the following margin

00:26:29.200 | and the minute that people said wait a minute i can only have a 20 gross margin what do you do

00:26:33.520 | you just jack up prices to basically jack up revenue because if you can only take 20

00:26:38.160 | you're going to take 20 of a bigger number than a smaller number

00:26:41.120 | and so it completely burned the incentives for any healthcare company in the united states

00:26:45.760 | to do anything other than just basically walk prices up and it's funny because if you look at

00:26:50.800 | the stock prices of these companies you you would have made more money being long united

00:26:56.160 | healthcare than you would have been uh owning facebook google any of these other tech companies

00:26:59.920 | in the last decade crazy stat uh speaking of regulatory capture tesla uh got left out of this

00:27:07.040 | new tax credit or proposed tax credit insane for electric cars i don't know if you're going to talk

00:27:10.960 | about that but i think tesla is a very good example of that i don't know if you saw that but tesla wasn't

00:27:15.680 | invited a couple of months ago to biden's ev summit elon responded like i wonder why i wasn't invited

00:27:21.680 | it turns out it's because they're not a union shop their employees make much more money than union

00:27:26.720 | employees make uh and but now as a punishment but hold on as a punishment the twelve thousand dollar

00:27:32.960 | credit that they're giving to or they're proposing to give to all ev manufacturers is only if you have

00:27:38.880 | union employees it's forty five hundred less to tesla and that's why they're not getting more money

00:27:40.800 | so literally two massive regulatory captures and corruption go or maybe sax no i mean i don't have

00:27:48.720 | much more to add to that i mean you hit the nail on the head i mean this is to serve the unions

00:27:52.800 | it's not to serve uh clean energy or the ev industry i mean a little bit for you but it's

00:27:58.480 | mostly for the unions the um on the one hand what we do is we say that climate change is this

00:28:08.240 | existential issue but then when the rubber

00:28:10.640 | meets the road if you look inside the infrastructure plan today we unveiled

00:28:14.400 | basically how we're going to do all the tax credits and again it's just an enormous amount

00:28:19.440 | of just sloppy regulatory capture we're doubling and tripling credits in certain places we're

00:28:26.560 | disallowing credits in other places when you follow the dollars what happens is you can map

00:28:30.720 | it to companies those companies tend to be mostly public large balance sheets large lobbying efforts

00:28:36.800 | and it's not necessarily the most important companies that matter so if you know

00:28:40.480 | if i said to you what are the most important companies in climate change you'd probably say

00:28:44.400 | well maybe it's direct air capture maybe it's nuclear maybe it's some other thing that basically

00:28:48.720 | helps you go to a different place and where does all the tax credits and tax dollars go sunrun

00:28:54.000 | sun power these are companies that basically you know have this oligopolistic hold stranglehold

00:29:00.560 | on essentially installing solar panels and battery walls in homes across the united states

00:29:05.760 | and it's not to say that that job isn't important but to basically explain

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01:12:55.200 | The End

01:12:57.200 | Bye.

E46: False Ivermectin narratives, regulatory grift, wartime mentality in solving issues & more

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