Trump wins! How it happened and what's next

00:00:00.000 | Well, let's, uh, let's just go around the horn who voted for Trump.

00:00:04.140 | Let's all raise their hands for those who voted for Trump.

00:00:06.720 | Ready?

00:00:07.720 | One, two, three.

00:00:08.720 | Go.

00:00:09.720 | I voted twice.

00:00:10.720 | I voted twice.

00:00:11.720 | Me too.

00:00:12.720 | For me, it was so easy.

00:00:13.720 | How many swing states did you vote in?

00:00:15.000 | I voted in four swing states.

00:00:16.400 | They sent multiple ballots to my house.

00:00:18.400 | I filled in all of them.

00:00:21.080 | Okay, let's start.

00:00:39.120 | Hey everybody.

00:00:40.120 | Welcome back.

00:00:41.120 | It's my Jake Allen impression.

00:00:42.120 | God, your energy is so dorky.

00:00:44.000 | Welcome.

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00:00:46.000 | I'm a Tim Waltz.

00:00:47.000 | I'm Tim Waltz of the All-In Pod.

00:00:48.000 | Welcome.

00:00:49.000 | Welcome.

00:00:50.000 | Welcome.

00:00:51.000 | I'm a Tim Waltz of the All-In Pod.

00:00:52.000 | Welcome.

00:00:53.000 | Welcome.

00:00:54.000 | I'm a knucklehead.

00:00:55.000 | Did you just sashay into your seat?

00:00:56.000 | I am right here.

00:00:57.000 | Show us your jazz.

00:00:58.000 | Show us your jazz hands.

00:00:59.000 | By the way, that name, just enjoy that name, Tim Waltz, while you can because you're never

00:01:03.080 | going to hear about that guy again.

00:01:04.880 | He's going to be more forgettable than Tim Cain.

00:01:07.120 | They're going to be doing SNL skits on how forgettable he is.

00:01:13.360 | That SNL skit was next level.

00:01:15.320 | I agree.

00:01:16.320 | Okay.

00:01:17.320 | So today we are going to cover the biggest-

00:01:19.760 | Anything in the news?

00:01:20.760 | Yeah.

00:01:21.760 | Yeah.

00:01:22.760 | Right.

00:01:23.760 | We'll start out with a little housekeeping and then we'll get into it.

00:01:24.760 | So like and subscribe on YouTube, youtube.com/atallin.

00:01:28.680 | We're trying to hit a million subscribers.

00:01:30.580 | Don't forget the holiday party, allin.com/events.

00:01:33.960 | It is Saturday, December 7th in SF.

00:01:35.800 | We have a couple of great announcements for the holiday party, which I think we are spending

00:01:40.300 | way too much money on.

00:01:41.440 | Steve Aoki will be DJing.

00:01:43.200 | Nice.

00:01:44.200 | What?

00:01:45.200 | Andrea Botez will be there doing the opening DJ set and her sister Alex will be joining

00:01:50.080 | us as well.

00:01:51.080 | Andrea and Alex will also be playing the Botez sisters.

00:01:53.640 | We're going to have a chess tournament during the party, which will be super fun.

00:01:57.440 | Sax, you can get in on that.

00:01:59.640 | Challenge Alex Botez or David Sax to chess.

00:02:04.000 | Gary Richards, also known as Destructo-

00:02:05.960 | This is Alex's chance for a rematch.

00:02:08.840 | That's right.

00:02:09.840 | As I recall, I beat her last time.

00:02:11.400 | Yeah.

00:02:12.400 | And we will have the board on screen.

00:02:14.020 | You totally told me to go f*** myself and wouldn't give me anything.

00:02:18.400 | I also blundered my queen and still won on time, which I will always hold dear in my

00:02:22.160 | heart.

00:02:23.160 | She needed more time.

00:02:24.160 | If we had given her more time, that was a really tough situation.

00:02:27.280 | She would have crushed all of us.

00:02:28.280 | 4v1.

00:02:29.280 | Tough.

00:02:30.280 | Yeah.

00:02:31.280 | But it's going to be a great show.

00:02:32.280 | Other guests to be announced in the future.

00:02:33.280 | VIP is almost sold out.

00:02:34.480 | We're doing like a special dinner after the live show and then the party is going to be

00:02:39.840 | awesome.

00:02:40.840 | Casino games, food, drinks, DJs.

00:02:42.580 | This is just to have fun, guys.

00:02:43.800 | This is not meant to be kind of like the summit type show.

00:02:47.920 | We're going to just have a great time.

00:02:49.240 | So we hope everyone will join us.

00:02:50.400 | And if you've got startups that want to join, please come on by, buy some tickets.

00:02:54.560 | And it'll be fun.

00:02:55.560 | How much is this costing us?

00:02:56.560 | A million dollars.

00:02:57.560 | A million bucks?

00:02:58.560 | A million bucks for a party.

00:02:59.560 | The odds are we're going to lose money on this.

00:03:01.880 | The idea was to see if we could- How many tickets are we selling?

00:03:04.080 | Not enough, apparently.

00:03:05.080 | Not enough.

00:03:06.080 | Yeah.

00:03:07.080 | What's the total attendance size?

00:03:08.080 | Max.

00:03:09.080 | Sax, you just won the White House.

00:03:10.080 | I think you're five.

00:03:11.080 | Anybody can do this.

00:03:12.080 | Anyone can do this math.

00:03:13.760 | How big is the theater and what are we charging for the tickets?

00:03:16.400 | Well, it's not a theater.

00:03:17.400 | So there's like, the tickets are like 500 bucks, I think.

00:03:19.320 | I love you being the moderator and taking all the arrows.

00:03:22.080 | This is great.

00:03:23.080 | Oh, it's not a theater.

00:03:24.080 | What is it?

00:03:25.080 | I'm never moderating again.

00:03:26.080 | Well, it's the PFA.

00:03:27.080 | Remember where they used to have the Exploratorium?

00:03:29.040 | That building where they built for the World's Fair or whatever.

00:03:32.560 | So it's in there and it's all empty.

00:03:34.240 | So we're kind of taking that.

00:03:35.240 | We're building a stage inside.

00:03:36.360 | We're going to build all the set and everything.

00:03:38.440 | Yeah.

00:03:39.440 | It should be fun.

00:03:40.440 | Okay.

00:03:41.440 | So first of all- I want to be there.

00:03:42.440 | That sounds great.

00:03:43.440 | Yeah.

00:03:44.440 | If you could take some pictures.

00:03:45.440 | Yeah.

00:03:46.440 | Send me some photos.

00:03:47.440 | Unless it's Mar-a-Lago, Saks will not show up.

00:03:49.760 | I want to just congratulate- It's like, "Oh, we're spending a million

00:03:52.040 | dollars?

00:03:53.040 | I won't be there."

00:03:54.040 | Next!

00:03:55.040 | Okay.

00:03:56.040 | Sorry.

00:03:57.040 | Keep going.

00:03:58.040 | I want to congratulate someone really special without whom Trump would likely not have been

00:04:01.680 | elected president.

00:04:03.920 | So your bravery, your ingenuity, your creativity.

00:04:07.440 | You led the way and you brought millions of people the direct news they couldn't get anywhere

00:04:11.280 | else.

00:04:12.280 | Jason, congrats.

00:04:13.280 | Yes.

00:04:14.280 | Thank you.

00:04:15.280 | You inadvertently architected a system that's helped return Trump to the White House.

00:04:19.000 | And for that, many people are praising you today.

00:04:21.680 | Absolutely.

00:04:22.680 | Congrats, Jason.

00:04:23.680 | How does it feel to have finally accomplished your dream?

00:04:24.680 | Feels great.

00:04:25.680 | Feels great.

00:04:26.680 | Yeah.

00:04:27.680 | Yeah.

00:04:28.680 | Absolutely.

00:04:29.680 | Yeah.

00:04:30.680 | Big shout out to J-Cal to kick this off.

00:04:31.680 | I did see a tweet where somebody gave me a lot of credit for moving the Overton window

00:04:32.680 | in Silicon Valley.

00:04:34.080 | And they said that Jason was indispensable as my foil.

00:04:36.640 | Yes!

00:04:37.640 | If I didn't have him to dunk on for four years with my political takes, it wouldn't have

00:04:41.720 | been nearly as effective.

00:04:42.960 | So thank you for that.

00:04:43.960 | No.

00:04:44.960 | I'm here for you.

00:04:45.960 | I am avid to your costellum.

00:04:47.920 | Your internal MSM debating partner.

00:04:51.280 | We need someone to represent the legacy media point of view.

00:04:54.160 | Absolutely.

00:04:55.160 | Absolutely.

00:04:56.160 | Okay.

00:04:57.160 | So let's kick it off.

00:04:58.160 | Sax, you were at Mar-a-Lago on election night.

00:05:00.120 | I thought it'd just be great if you could tell us a little bit about what the scene

00:05:03.240 | was like.

00:05:04.240 | How was it?

00:05:05.240 | And when did you guys kind of know that Trump had kind of the victory in the bag?

00:05:09.520 | Was it pre the polls coming in?

00:05:12.080 | Because you had pollster data early or, you know, tell us a little bit about the experience

00:05:15.600 | there and when it all kind of came together.

00:05:17.440 | Yeah, I went over there, I guess, around 730, I want to say, Eastern Time.

00:05:23.160 | Tucker invited me to come on his show.

00:05:24.960 | Tucker was doing a live stream from the library at Mar-a-Lago, had actually never been over

00:05:28.800 | there before.

00:05:29.800 | There was also a dinner going on in the ballroom, which was, I think, primarily for Mar-a-Lago

00:05:35.120 | members.

00:05:36.120 | And, you know, there were some senators there, members of the campaign.

00:05:39.960 | And then there was another room set up with a bunch of TVs for basically the staff to

00:05:45.080 | watch the results come in.

00:05:47.660 | When I first got there, people were kind of just watching, trying to find out the early

00:05:52.480 | results.

00:05:53.480 | I would say that the whispers were positive, but people didn't fundamentally know more

00:05:58.600 | than the rest of us.

00:06:00.040 | You know, everyone's kind of waiting for the results to come in.

00:06:02.880 | I did get a chance to take a photo with the president.

00:06:06.400 | Actually, Elon came in separately around the same time, and we got a very memorable photograph

00:06:11.800 | here.

00:06:13.360 | When I shook the president's hand, I got to tell you, he was cool as a cucumber.

00:06:16.880 | He did not seem nervous at all.

00:06:18.000 | Did he feel confident, like he had it in the bag?

00:06:19.880 | Yeah, I think he was confident, but I don't think he was acting like he had it in the

00:06:23.000 | bag or anything like that.

00:06:24.000 | They didn't know yet.

00:06:25.000 | But he was just super, super relaxed and calm, and taking photos with everyone, he was in

00:06:29.600 | a good mood.

00:06:30.600 | So, you remember the moment when his hand touched yours?

00:06:33.960 | I guess I'm hacking a little bit.

00:06:36.320 | I'm just saying.

00:06:37.320 | Did he give you the shake?

00:06:38.560 | He gives that little shake to exert a little dominance.

00:06:41.320 | Did he give you the shake?

00:06:42.800 | It was just a normal handshake, but my point is I could detect no nervousness whatsoever

00:06:47.840 | on his part.

00:06:49.880 | And look, the rest of us, we were nervous, and we were wondering what was going to happen.

00:06:54.080 | The whole country was nervous, yeah.

00:06:56.240 | And what were you guys doing?

00:06:57.240 | Just hanging out, having cocktails, having dinner, just everyone was meandering, chilling?

00:07:01.320 | What's the scene like?

00:07:02.320 | What's the scene like at Mar-a-Lago?

00:07:03.360 | There's a dinner in the ballroom.

00:07:04.360 | Actually, I saw Jared there.

00:07:05.680 | Jared was very nice to me.

00:07:06.920 | He asked me, "Do you want to sit down at the dinner?"

00:07:10.280 | And I could have joined him, but then I decided to do the live stream with you guys, and I

00:07:13.520 | pulled in Don Jr., and we did the live stream with Don Jr.

00:07:18.000 | Like I said, it was-

00:07:19.000 | Are you officially a Mar-a-Lago member, by the way?

00:07:21.000 | No.

00:07:22.000 | 500 large?

00:07:23.000 | No.

00:07:24.000 | Oh, my Lord.

00:07:25.000 | Is that true?

00:07:26.000 | 500,000?

00:07:27.000 | Well, that's what Don Jr. told us.

00:07:28.000 | But look, there's a process to get in.

00:07:29.000 | I mean, I don't live in Palm Beach.

00:07:30.000 | That's the Palm Beach community, is members of Mar-a-Lago.

00:07:34.240 | So I think that there were ... It wasn't a huge group of people at Mar-a-Lago, and really,

00:07:41.480 | all the supporters were convened at the convention center in Palm Beach.

00:07:44.080 | There were thousands of people there.

00:07:46.160 | I think originally they had talked about doing an election night party at Mar-a-Lago, but

00:07:50.120 | it just got too big, so they moved it to the convention center.

00:07:53.440 | So I don't know.

00:07:54.840 | Whatever it was that I dropped off the live stream with you guys, I then moved to the

00:07:58.720 | convention center, got back on with Newt, and then we were kind of waiting at the convention

00:08:04.040 | center.

00:08:05.040 | We were all feeling good, increasingly so, throughout the night.

00:08:07.360 | I would say that when Pennsylvania finally got called, then I think everyone knew that

00:08:11.840 | it was in the bag at that point, and it was just a matter of time before the election

00:08:16.060 | got called for Trump.

00:08:18.280 | And then at some point, they kind of herded us downstairs into that large ballroom where

00:08:23.960 | Trump gave his victory speech with the rest of the campaign staff.

00:08:28.440 | So the final tally, it looks like, is going to be 312 electoral college votes for President

00:08:34.760 | Donald Trump versus Kamala Harris' 226.

00:08:39.400 | Just for context, in 2016, Trump won with 304 electoral votes, and Biden won in 2020

00:08:45.880 | with 306.

00:08:47.680 | So it's a pretty sweeping victory.

00:08:49.300 | He won all the supposed swing states this year fairly resoundingly.

00:08:54.720 | There's no real super close calls, there's some close calls, but pretty resounding victory.

00:08:59.520 | Chamath, what happened?

00:09:01.440 | >>Corey: Wow, it's a really good question.

00:09:04.760 | I think that there's many layers of the answer, but I think in its most basic calculation,

00:09:12.680 | I think that the bottom fell out of the Democratic Party.

00:09:16.760 | And if you look at why, there's a simple explanation, and then there's the more nuanced explanation.

00:09:26.480 | I think the simple explanation is they just lost the script.

00:09:31.240 | I think that there was so many people that just got really tired of being spoken at and

00:09:40.640 | labeled misogynist, racist, fascist, transphobe, whatever it was.

00:09:49.560 | And there was just these litany of these judgmental labels that would come out instead of engaging

00:09:55.200 | on the topics at hand.

00:09:57.200 | So I think the Democratic Party played this game of trying to use identities, genders,

00:10:04.760 | races as a bid to basically get people that they thought should always vote in their direction

00:10:12.080 | to continue to support them.

00:10:13.400 | And instead what happened was people just started to think for themselves and say, "Hold

00:10:16.840 | on a second.

00:10:17.840 | I'm just a normal person that wants to be left alone.

00:10:20.080 | What matters to me?"

00:10:21.640 | And I think what Donald Trump spoke to was a desire for folks to have economic prosperity,

00:10:28.640 | a safe neighborhood, a predictable educational curriculum where these kids could go to school,

00:10:34.960 | not be indoctrinated and come out the other side and just know some useful skills so that

00:10:38.760 | they could get a good job and do better than they did.

00:10:41.640 | And all these basic truths ended up on the ballot.

00:10:45.080 | And so it was a bunch of perception versus just a bunch of hard realities.

00:10:49.520 | And I think Trump stayed focused and ultimately made sure that people understood that that's

00:10:56.160 | what he was focused on.

00:10:58.240 | And I think the Democrats just went to this place of demagoguery and labels.

00:11:03.580 | And I think it was just a resounding defeat.

00:11:05.920 | And David, I just want you to just to put a pin on how resounding it is.

00:11:12.060 | In California and New York, which I would say are the two most prolific bastions of

00:11:18.380 | elitist liberal thinking, Democrats won those states in some of the narrowest margins they've

00:11:26.500 | ever seen.

00:11:28.340 | I think in 2020, they won California by 29 points.

00:11:33.020 | It was barely half is what they won by this year.

00:11:36.460 | In New York, it shrunk to a 12 point margin.

00:11:39.760 | So what is this telling you?

00:11:41.000 | It's telling you that the Democrats really need to retool and get back to first principles.

00:11:44.840 | It was a cataclysmic dismissal of wokeism, of cancel culture, of judgmentalism.

00:11:55.800 | It was a ringing endorsement of a meritocracy, of just plain simple common sense, of talking

00:12:03.880 | with people and to people, being able to tolerate disagreements, remaining friends.

00:12:12.380 | All of those things were on the ballot.

00:12:13.860 | And it was just an absolute resounding victory for just normalcy.

00:12:18.660 | That's what I think we saw.

00:12:19.700 | We saw a return to normalcy.

00:12:22.100 | Jason, do you think that that message got across more clearly in this election than

00:12:28.260 | ever before, as some have claimed, because of the power of alternative media for reaching

00:12:34.940 | the audience rather than having everything pushed through reporters in traditional legacy

00:12:39.940 | media?

00:12:40.940 | In this case, many of the candidates, particularly on the Republican side, went direct to the

00:12:45.620 | audience through long form podcasts like ours, but also Joe Rogan and Lex and many others.

00:12:51.140 | And did that move the needle for a lot of people in a way that won this?

00:12:54.500 | Or was it the policies and the difference alone?

00:12:56.860 | Yeah.

00:12:57.860 | Well, clearly, being on podcasts was a major part of Trump's strategy that people are starting

00:13:03.460 | to report on right now.

00:13:05.340 | And in media, you go where the audience is.

00:13:08.500 | And I think the Democrats just didn't get that.

00:13:10.620 | Now, stepping back, I think the number one problem here is the candidate that the Democrats

00:13:16.900 | put up.

00:13:18.220 | And probably the close number two is inflation.

00:13:21.900 | And the economy, as we all know, it's the economy, stupid.

00:13:27.340 | If you were paying $2 for a cheeseburger at McDonald's, and now it's $4, that's what people

00:13:33.380 | are going to remember.

00:13:34.780 | And the inflation that occurred over this last four years was huge.

00:13:40.020 | And people cited that over and over and over again.

00:13:43.820 | So there's probably three buckets you could put this conversation into.

00:13:47.260 | First, the candidate, Kamala Harris was a terrible candidate.

00:13:50.620 | She was put in at the last minute.

00:13:52.500 | And she was anointed and she didn't go through a proper primary.

00:13:55.740 | I think that's probably number one in this entire thing.

00:13:59.140 | It was a terrible thing.

00:14:00.140 | You're saying you're saying number one is the candidate.

00:14:01.820 | Kamala.

00:14:02.820 | Everyone's the candidate.

00:14:04.280 | Number two, I think because remember, Trump was incredibly unpopular as well.

00:14:08.220 | And all credit Trump for winning and running an incredible campaign.

00:14:11.580 | I mean, just they they crushed it.

00:14:15.540 | Podcasts with JD Vance turned out to be spectacular on podcasts and really delivered the message.

00:14:22.220 | And you know, the number two is obviously inflation in the economy.

00:14:26.260 | And then I think number three is the bucket that Chamath started with, which is the country

00:14:31.340 | really, really does not like being told that they're racist or sexist, etc, cancel culture.

00:14:39.180 | And you put those three things together.

00:14:42.180 | One of the things that's coming out right now is some of the ads and that will play

00:14:46.160 | an ad here.

00:14:47.160 | I wanted you guys to see this.

00:14:48.160 | I think this ad sums up exactly how bad Kamala was.

00:14:52.940 | And we'll combine this ad with just some of the statistics that have come out of how many

00:14:57.700 | people have gone right.

00:14:58.700 | This is Charlemagne the God from the Breakfast Club, for those who don't know, in a Donald

00:15:03.020 | Trump ad.

00:15:04.020 | What taxpayer funded sex changes for prisoners, surgery, for prisoners, for prisoners, every

00:15:11.180 | transgender inmate in the prison system would have access.

00:15:15.620 | Hell no, I don't want my taxpayer dollars going to Kamala supports transgender sex changes

00:15:20.340 | in jail with our money.

00:15:21.700 | Kamala even supports letting biological men compete against our girls in their sports.

00:15:27.740 | Kamala is for them.

00:15:29.860 | President Trump is for you.

00:15:31.500 | I'm Donald J. Trump, and I approve this message.

00:15:34.300 | And so how does Kamala come back from this with black voters, with male voters, with

00:15:39.420 | people who are tired of having this agenda shoved down their throat?

00:15:43.260 | Obviously, it's going to be incredibly difficult.

00:15:45.940 | Plus she was in charge of the border, claimed she wasn't.

00:15:48.700 | Plus she was in charge of, you know, and Biden were in charge of the economy when inflation

00:15:54.140 | spiked.

00:15:55.140 | Terrible candidate combined with a bad track record, combined with a flawless campaign

00:15:59.220 | from Trump, I think easy victory.

00:16:02.420 | And you know, if we pull up this F.T. chart, Nick, that I sent you ahead of time, and I

00:16:09.380 | tweeted this, you know, Americans love winners and innovation and they hate socialism and

00:16:13.940 | this woke nonsense.

00:16:14.940 | And if you look at how Trump's support increased, look at this, Chamath.

00:16:19.980 | Every single demographic, black, Asian, Hispanic, 18 to 29, 30 to 34, female, white college

00:16:27.300 | men, except for two, 65 year old plus, very moderately, very modestly went left.

00:16:34.300 | And white college women very modestly went left in terms of increasing support.

00:16:39.580 | Otherwise a hard shift, right, including in some categories.

00:16:44.140 | So the biggest shift, right, was in Hispanic and Asian populations.

00:16:48.900 | And these are groups of people, I think, who you can double click on young people, Hispanic

00:16:54.940 | and Asians.

00:16:55.940 | Asians believe in meritocracy.

00:16:56.940 | I think is what most people have read into that dramatic swing.

00:17:01.420 | And Hispanics are anti or more traditional family values and that's probably what pushed

00:17:06.860 | that so far, right.

00:17:07.860 | But I wanted to just get your take on that chart, Chamath, in relation to your handicapping

00:17:12.780 | of the election.

00:17:13.980 | And then how much Kamala and how much the inflation played into it.

00:17:18.540 | I think that there are three ways to kind of identify and tell me if you guys think

00:17:23.540 | these are the wrong vectors.

00:17:24.740 | Either the policies, the candidate, and the methods of the campaign.

00:17:30.660 | All of it.

00:17:31.660 | All three.

00:17:32.660 | Right.

00:17:33.660 | That's how I kind of break down what happened in the selection cycle.

00:17:36.700 | There's a big difference between the candidates as people.

00:17:40.300 | Some people cannot see past the fact that Kamala did not get any primary vote.

00:17:45.140 | Some people cannot see past the behavior of Donald Trump on Twitter.

00:17:49.820 | And when he talks to people and how he has talked to people and perceived to be a bully

00:17:54.420 | and the felony conviction, and some people cannot get past other factors of those two

00:17:58.500 | candidates.

00:17:59.500 | And then some people can get past it.

00:18:00.500 | I've been saying this since I'm blue in the face, but I'll try it again.

00:18:06.540 | I think that the mainstream media has been working hand in hand with the Democratic Party

00:18:12.780 | to propagate and move forward an agenda that tried to vilify Donald Trump.

00:18:19.100 | I did not know that when I initially encountered him in 2015 as a candidate.

00:18:25.940 | But what you're supposed to do as an adult is once you start to see a pattern of behavior,

00:18:32.300 | you know, this is for the safety, security of your family.

00:18:36.500 | This is about how you think about economically taking care of your family.

00:18:40.020 | Like, you have to re-underwrite decisions from first principles.

00:18:42.780 | You must be prepared to change your mind when you see important information.

00:18:48.260 | And I have said this till I blew in the face, but I'll say it again.

00:18:52.260 | If I think of all of the people in the political infrastructure of America that I have met

00:18:59.580 | and spent time with from Bill Clinton on, I remember sitting and having dinner with

00:19:04.460 | Barack Obama the day of Brexit and getting a note that he read and he said, "Oh my gosh,"

00:19:10.940 | and says, "Wow, the UK just pulled out."

00:19:13.500 | I was sitting across from him that dinner.

00:19:15.700 | I've been with all of these people.

00:19:19.520 | The Democrats only come to me to ask me for money.

00:19:24.820 | The only politician that has ever called me just to have a conversation, just to say thank

00:19:33.140 | you and be kind, the only one has been Donald Trump.

00:19:37.780 | Isn't that incredible?

00:19:39.020 | Of all of the people, every other person has only ever called and asked me for money.

00:19:45.220 | So what does that mean?

00:19:46.260 | I think what it means is that there has been a concerted effort to perturb the way that

00:19:55.100 | you interpret who he is.

00:19:57.660 | Separately, there's been a concerted effort to prop up whoever is sitting against him

00:20:03.860 | in opposition.

00:20:06.800 | And I think this is an opportunity to finally acknowledge that if you trust these traditional

00:20:12.260 | legacy sources of helping you to get to a decision, you're going to get tricked.

00:20:18.700 | There's that old saying, "Fool me once, shame on you, but fool me twice, shame on me because

00:20:26.220 | I am now allowing this to happen."

00:20:29.500 | And I think that for a lot of Americans, that is what happened.

00:20:32.900 | I think it is really as simple as that.

00:20:34.740 | I think they were able to see through the veneer of an attempt to malign and corner

00:20:42.980 | somebody, and on the other side, an attempt to basically play on vibes and feelings and

00:20:50.500 | emotions.

00:20:51.600 | And I don't think that America wants that.

00:20:53.540 | That is not what they want in running the country.

00:20:56.460 | They want somebody serious running the country where you can have disagreements with them

00:21:01.420 | and you can still find an opportunity to work together with those people.

00:21:05.460 | I think it's that.

00:21:06.460 | JS: Sax, do you think about how important the policy versus the individual versus the

00:21:15.300 | way they ran the campaign, the media, and how they reached people as kind of three vectors?

00:21:21.280 | And if so, how would you kind of rank those three in importance and what changed people's

00:21:24.540 | votes and got them to vote differently than they did in the last election?

00:21:27.340 | Ax: Yeah, I think it's a pretty good framework.

00:21:29.060 | I mean, you have the message, you have the messenger, and I guess you have the campaign

00:21:33.700 | at a tactical level.

00:21:35.420 | I think it's a little bit unfair to blame this entire defeat on Kamala Harris being

00:21:40.620 | a bad messenger or candidate.

00:21:43.340 | It's true.

00:21:44.340 | She's not the greatest candidate.

00:21:45.340 | She has a lot of problems.

00:21:46.900 | However, I don't think she was dealt a particularly strong hand.

00:21:50.860 | The fact of the matter is that we did have rampant inflation in this country that really

00:21:57.740 | hurt people in their pocketbooks every time they went to the grocery store.

00:22:01.860 | And that resulted from the trillions of spending that was agreed to by virtually the entire

00:22:06.300 | Democratic Party.

00:22:07.580 | Remember, not only did they pass trillions in spending, they wanted four and a half trillion

00:22:12.140 | more for Build Back Better.

00:22:13.980 | And the only reason that didn't happen is because Manchin and Sinema voted against it.

00:22:18.220 | Can you imagine how much worse inflation would have been?

00:22:22.180 | Manchin was driven into retirement, and Sinema was basically kicked out of the party.

00:22:25.460 | She effectively told us that at the All-In Summit.

00:22:28.260 | So this defeat is on the entire Democratic Party.

00:22:31.420 | The Democratic Party was in support of Joe Biden and Kamala Harris's agenda.

00:22:35.960 | They were in support of the de facto open border policies.

00:22:39.140 | They were in support of the soft-on-crime Soros D.A. decarceral policies.

00:22:45.040 | You can see that even in California, which is a deep blue state, there's a huge backlash

00:22:49.640 | to this sort of insane soft-on-crime agenda the Democrats have.

00:22:55.720 | 70% of California voted for Prop 36, which basically reversed the excesses of Prop 47,

00:23:03.200 | which a decade ago basically made shoplifting legal in California.

00:23:07.540 | You know who opposed Prop 36 despite its massive popularity?

00:23:10.920 | Gavin Newsom.

00:23:11.920 | Kamala Harris wouldn't say whether she supported it or not.

00:23:14.680 | So what you see is that even in blue states, the Democratic Party elites are completely

00:23:19.800 | out of touch with what people want.

00:23:22.140 | And then finally, you've got foreign policy, where I think that the Democratic agenda basically

00:23:28.480 | wanting to engage in a proxy war with Vladimir Putin because he's the incarnation of all

00:23:32.800 | evil, that I think is blown up in the collective West face.

00:23:36.760 | That has been a disaster that was supported by the entire Democratic Party.

00:23:41.000 | So on issue after issue that I think mattered in this election, you cannot just put the

00:23:46.040 | blame on Kamala Harris.

00:23:48.200 | It's got to be on the Democratic Party as a whole.

00:23:50.540 | And just to echo what Chamath said about the cultural stuff, they've talked down to us.

00:23:55.800 | They've lectured us.

00:23:56.960 | They've insulted us.

00:23:58.360 | They've censored us.

00:23:59.920 | They've gaslit us.

00:24:00.920 | They've tried to cancel us.

00:24:02.400 | They tried to cancel us.

00:24:03.400 | They tried to punish dissent with lawfare.

00:24:05.200 | They turned Elon into an enemy, which was the single worst own goal in history.

00:24:10.040 | Remember, this wasn't just...

00:24:11.520 | And Joe Rogan.

00:24:12.520 | Don't forget Joe Rogan.

00:24:13.520 | But it wasn't...

00:24:14.520 | Joe Rogan out as well.

00:24:15.520 | Bernie supported Joe Rogan.

00:24:16.520 | But with Elon, it wasn't just disinviting him or never inviting him to the EV summit.

00:24:21.280 | It goes all the way back to Lorena Gonzalez's tweet, telling him to F off and leave the

00:24:25.720 | state of California.

00:24:27.100 | So look, the Democratic Party as a whole has to own this, and they're not going to start

00:24:32.200 | winning elections again until they have an improvement in their agenda, not just their

00:24:37.920 | messenger.

00:24:38.920 | So Saxe, is this the nature of democracy, that over time, when you have a two-party

00:24:44.880 | system and one party veers too far to the left or one party veers too far to the right,

00:24:50.880 | people jump ship to the other party, and ultimately they pull the policies of the party that they

00:24:55.920 | left back to the middle?

00:24:58.080 | And that's the way democracy is supposed to work and has worked historically?

00:25:01.480 | So is this the way it's supposed to go?

00:25:03.240 | And do we project that four years from now, the Democrats will need to be and need to

00:25:07.920 | adjust to the center, and we'll see less of this extremism because of the way the voting

00:25:13.120 | turned out this election cycle?

00:25:14.360 | - I think that's a very interesting question is whether the Democrats have the necessary

00:25:19.600 | introspection to learn from this loss.

00:25:21.960 | I would say that one of them does, if you look at Matt Iglesias, who's someone I've

00:25:25.960 | sparred with on TwitterX, who is a Democrat partisan.

00:25:30.880 | He basically tweeted a list of principles that he thought the Democrat Party needed

00:25:34.720 | to adopt.

00:25:35.720 | I read it and retweeted it.

00:25:36.720 | I said, laughing my ass off, this is a list of Republican principles.

00:25:40.040 | It was all about opposing woke and being in favor of merit and innovation.

00:25:43.840 | - Tolerance.

00:25:44.840 | - Tolerance.

00:25:45.840 | I'm like, great, look, you know what?

00:25:46.840 | If the Democratic Party wants to adopt these principles, that's a wonderful thing for the

00:25:49.880 | country.

00:25:50.880 | I hope that they do it, okay?

00:25:52.840 | But will they do it?

00:25:54.120 | I have my doubts.

00:25:56.000 | You look at this tweet by Ari Fleischer, where he talks about who the Democratic Party now

00:26:01.000 | is.

00:26:02.000 | I think that this is a really important tweet, because it sort of tells you, Sax, who's going

00:26:06.400 | to be left in the room.

00:26:07.720 | - Exactly.

00:26:08.720 | - If these are the only people left in the room, the last thing they're going to do is

00:26:11.840 | admit defeat.

00:26:12.840 | - Right, exactly.

00:26:13.840 | So what you see is that the Democratic Party base is these very affluent, very overeducated,

00:26:21.280 | very non-religious types.

00:26:23.120 | And frankly, I wonder whether they're too out of touch to know they're out of touch.

00:26:27.640 | They're certainly very whiny and entitled.

00:26:29.560 | And I just don't think they're going to cede control of the party without a fight.

00:26:35.080 | And frankly, they've disappeared so far up their own woke asses that I don't think they

00:26:40.960 | can find an electoral majority if they try.

00:26:43.700 | So if these people stay in control of the party, and these are the people who you're

00:26:47.760 | seeing having a mental breakdown on TikTok, they're posting all the videos, they're insulting

00:26:52.760 | the electorate.

00:26:53.800 | And let's face it, it's not just on TikTok, it's on the legacy media, it's on MSDNC.

00:26:58.880 | It's basically the legacy media who are trying to diagnose a psychosis in the American electorate

00:27:05.040 | to explain why they were so wrong.

00:27:07.760 | If those people stay in control, I think that the Republicans could have an electoral majority

00:27:12.400 | as far as the eye can see.

00:27:13.960 | - I completely agree with you.

00:27:15.500 | And I'll go even further, which is I think that the Democrats will lose one of California

00:27:21.180 | or New York in the next eight years.

00:27:23.280 | - If they don't attack, right?

00:27:24.880 | So that's the key question.

00:27:25.880 | - They're not going to attack.

00:27:26.880 | - Do you think that the intelligentsia, quote-unquote, the Bill Gates, Reid Hoffmans of the world

00:27:33.400 | that funds Dustin Moskovitz, that funds the Democratic apparatus at the highest level,

00:27:40.520 | if they can't change, what are the odds that the state infrastructure or the local infrastructure

00:27:47.160 | changes?

00:27:48.400 | I think maybe on the margins, the local infrastructure can change more quickly and adeptly because

00:27:54.120 | it just costs a lot less money and it's much more concentrated.

00:27:58.280 | But I think the states are very laggard in that sense.

00:28:01.480 | And I think that they take the table scraps of what's left over.

00:28:04.160 | So if you have the Democrats lead, there is no chance that unless they change the planks

00:28:10.300 | at their platform, that the state legislatures in New York and California are going to change

00:28:14.500 | what they believe.

00:28:15.500 | - Nick, pull up the link I just sent.

00:28:18.320 | So let me just underscore an important aspect for you guys on this, which is the amount

00:28:21.660 | that the Democrats spent in this campaign.

00:28:24.120 | And obviously they saw a significant negative return.

00:28:26.580 | They lost across the board, Senate majority, House majority, governorships, the White House,

00:28:32.520 | but they spent more.

00:28:33.520 | Here, you can see the difference between the Harris campaign and the Trump campaign spending.

00:28:37.960 | Harris campaign spent nearly $900 million, the Trump campaign, 350 million.

00:28:43.640 | If you look at the super PACs, the super PAC spent 1.4 billion on the Dem side, roughly

00:28:48.840 | 400 million, 450 million on the Republican side.

00:28:52.280 | And if you scroll down in some of these key Senate races, the Dems far outspent the Republicans

00:28:58.440 | and still lost.

00:28:59.440 | The Ohio Senate race, Sherrod Brown, $58 million of spending, Bernie Moreno, 21 million and

00:29:05.180 | Bernie Moreno had a resounding victory.

00:29:06.880 | Jon Tester, 84 million of spending, Tim Sheehy, 22 million, Tim Sheehy won the election.

00:29:13.740 | So across the board, the spending was greater.

00:29:17.160 | The return was negative.

00:29:19.100 | Money cannot overcome common sense.

00:29:21.840 | So my question again is, does this not necessitate attack to the center for the Democrats?

00:29:27.920 | They want to see the party survive.

00:29:29.920 | And if they're going to continue to lose like this, they will not continue to maintain the

00:29:33.540 | same policy agenda that got them into this position in the first place.

00:29:37.280 | J. Cal, do you think that the Democratic Party will need to attack to the center and that

00:29:41.160 | they're going to start to adjust because of this?

00:29:43.080 | They started that process.

00:29:44.280 | They knew that going into this election and they started moving to the center.

00:29:48.360 | It was laughable in some cases because you have like Kamala talking about providing sex

00:29:53.680 | changes for prisoners and you know, all of those receipts came out.

00:29:58.260 | So even as she started to try to get to the center, people didn't buy it.

00:30:02.220 | So of course they're going to.

00:30:03.800 | But what's very interesting about spend there and the genius of Trump is earned media.

00:30:08.600 | What's earned media?

00:30:10.040 | When you are trying to get hits in media, you will put them into two buckets, paid and

00:30:15.240 | earned.

00:30:16.240 | What you just showed was paid.

00:30:17.720 | Paid is considered what you do if you can't earn media.

00:30:20.860 | All in podcast is an example of earned media.

00:30:24.600 | We do this every week.

00:30:25.680 | We earned our audience.

00:30:26.840 | We didn't pay anybody for this audience.

00:30:29.540 | And I think that was, you know, what Trump did.

00:30:32.000 | And importantly, someone that comes on the show earns that.

00:30:35.840 | Correct.

00:30:36.840 | So that's the piece of this that I think is so important.

00:30:39.280 | You don't have to pay to go on Joe Rogan.

00:30:42.040 | But the candidate that the Democrats put out there was so bad that she could not even.

00:30:48.520 | And I think Saks is, you know, master at setting people up here.

00:30:54.400 | The Democrats put up a horrible, horrible candidate.

00:30:58.220 | And I know Saks is saying, oh, it's not Kamala's fault.

00:31:00.540 | Kamala could not go on Joe Rogan because they knew that it would be so embarrassing and

00:31:06.340 | that she would get so embarrassed that it would lose her votes.

00:31:10.020 | His doom loop, you know, observation from, I don't know, eight weeks ago, you had that

00:31:14.960 | Saks was exactly correct.

00:31:17.680 | The more she spoke, the more she started going down.

00:31:20.740 | She was leading Trump at one point on Polly market in some of these places.

00:31:24.960 | And she absolutely proved that she could not communicate well.

00:31:30.180 | And so and I just want to just circle back to the point about inflation.

00:31:35.860 | Here's the McDonald's price increases that I was mentioning before.

00:31:38.940 | End of 2019, you could buy a McChicken for a buck twenty nine.

00:31:42.540 | And in mid 2024, it was three dollars and eighty nine cents.

00:31:45.920 | The majority of Americans wind up going to Taco Bell, McDonald's every week, some cases

00:31:52.200 | multiple times a week.

00:31:53.760 | You cannot discount exactly how profound this cost of eating food and buying groceries had

00:32:02.760 | on this election.

00:32:03.760 | It is the number one issue, I think, this election.

00:32:06.680 | We can talk in our bubble about it, but this is what I mean, inflation.

00:32:10.640 | This is what I mean by a return to normalcy.

00:32:12.960 | These are normal people problems.

00:32:14.980 | How much does it cost to put food on the table?

00:32:17.360 | How much does it cost to drive from point A to point B?

00:32:20.360 | I want to send my kid to a school where they go and they learn the ABCs and the one two

00:32:24.980 | threes because they're going to have to graduate and compete with India and China.

00:32:29.400 | I don't want to worry about indoctrination and all this other stuff.

00:32:32.360 | Absolutely.

00:32:33.360 | Oh, look, I did predict the doom loop for Kamala Harris two months ago because she is

00:32:37.360 | just not good at interviews or being off the cuff or being unscripted.

00:32:41.900 | Not good is generous.

00:32:42.900 | Yes.

00:32:43.900 | Saxtra Damas was right about that.

00:32:45.680 | Absolutely.

00:32:46.680 | However, and I would say the biggest problem in her campaign is that she would neither

00:32:50.600 | defend the Biden Harris record nor say what she would do differently.

00:32:55.720 | The question you have to ask is why?

00:32:58.320 | And I think it's because she was in a really tough position that her own party put her

00:33:02.720 | in, which is they said, you can't criticize Joe Biden because he's the sitting president.

00:33:08.080 | But at the same time, you can't defend him either because he's so unpopular.

00:33:13.760 | Well, what made him unpopular?

00:33:16.060 | Democratic Party policies.

00:33:17.800 | They should have, frankly, looking back, they should have just let Joe Biden defend his

00:33:21.720 | own record.

00:33:23.280 | The old man must have been in the White House gnashing his teeth, saying, please put me

00:33:28.720 | in the game.

00:33:29.720 | Let me defend my own record.

00:33:31.120 | He at least believed in it.

00:33:32.940 | The Democrats wouldn't defend their own record because it was so bad.

00:33:36.440 | You have to put some blame for that, not just on Kamala, but on the entire party.

00:33:40.760 | That's my only point.

00:33:41.760 | Well, Saxtra, it's so obvious that that technique they use to defeat Trump in 2020, after those

00:33:47.480 | chaotic four years, was, hey, do you want normalcy?

00:33:51.200 | And then they had-

00:33:52.200 | What technique was that?

00:33:53.200 | 15 million votes?

00:33:54.200 | Wait, what's that?

00:33:55.200 | I didn't hear the joke.

00:33:58.080 | I said what tactic was that, 15 million extra votes?

00:34:02.760 | Please don't start with the conspiracy theories.

00:34:04.760 | We're really going to say that this has to be a conspiracy theory now?

00:34:09.600 | I mean, who's the chart from?

00:34:12.960 | Who's the chart from?

00:34:14.880 | What's the provenance of the chart?

00:34:15.880 | Just so you know, the Y-axis starts at 50 million, so don't be a little too crazy.

00:34:21.280 | Hold on.

00:34:22.280 | Before we go down this rabbit hole, let me just finish my point, then you guys can go

00:34:25.040 | to Conspiracy Corner and say the election was stolen.

00:34:27.800 | The point I'm making here is, obviously, Biden ran a very successful campaign against Trump

00:34:33.440 | based on vibes and based on his creating chaos in the country, in most people's mind, and

00:34:38.560 | this return to normalcy.

00:34:40.580 | So that did work for them previously.

00:34:42.840 | It just didn't work this time because they had to defend their record on the border.

00:34:47.080 | They needed to defend their record on the economy, and Saxtra's exactly right.

00:34:50.040 | They didn't touch that.

00:34:52.080 | And how do you not talk about their own record?

00:34:55.960 | And their record had some good bright spots to it, record low unemployment, record high

00:35:00.920 | stock market, and we tamed inflation, and they could have had a really great discussion

00:35:05.660 | about inflation and just said, "Hey, listen, both of the last two terms, there was a lot

00:35:10.020 | of spending, and so inflation manifested during the last four years, and hey, we tamed it.

00:35:15.480 | So here we are.

00:35:16.480 | We still have record low unemployment.

00:35:18.360 | We still have a record high stock market, and we tamed inflation.

00:35:21.880 | Things are going to get better."

00:35:22.880 | But she couldn't even communicate that.

00:35:24.480 | I can communicate that better than the presidential candidate.

00:35:28.280 | Come on.

00:35:29.280 | She could have easily done that.

00:35:30.280 | Freiberg, let me just go back to your point about the money.

00:35:31.800 | It is true that the Democrats had roughly three times as much money as the Republicans

00:35:37.680 | did.

00:35:38.680 | The Democrats had something like a billion dollars for this campaign, the Republicans

00:35:41.400 | had 300 and something.

00:35:42.400 | For the presidential campaign.

00:35:43.400 | For the presidential campaign, exactly.

00:35:45.600 | The Republicans obviously still won in a landslide.

00:35:48.120 | I'm sorry.

00:35:49.120 | That excludes the super PACs, which had additional funding that were going towards supporting

00:35:52.680 | the nominee as well.

00:35:53.680 | My point is just the Democrats had a massive advantage on the money side.

00:35:56.520 | They also, I think, had a massive advantage on what you would call the legacy media side.

00:36:03.840 | I don't know how you put a value, a dollar value on what the legacy media has done, not

00:36:08.760 | just in this election cycle, but for the last eight or nine years.

00:36:12.560 | They have basically called Donald Trump a Nazi, a fascist, a traitor.

00:36:18.120 | Did it work?

00:36:19.760 | Or did it blow up in their faces?

00:36:20.760 | Hold on.

00:36:21.760 | I'm about to get to that.

00:36:22.760 | Did it blow up in their faces?

00:36:23.760 | They called him an agent of Putin.

00:36:25.160 | They called him an insurrectionist.

00:36:26.440 | They called him a convicted felon.

00:36:27.800 | They called him a dictator.

00:36:29.520 | They've been yelling that at the top of their lungs now for at least four years.

00:36:34.240 | The country didn't believe it.

00:36:35.280 | I would just say that the legacy media spell is broken.

00:36:38.420 | Their credibility has been destroyed.

00:36:41.040 | And I think that the repudiation of the legacy media is one of the most important results

00:36:47.600 | of this election.

00:36:48.960 | It just shows that the Democrats had, I don't know how you valued, a trillion-dollar propaganda

00:36:53.800 | machine on their side, and Trump was still able to win.

00:36:57.920 | And you have to, at the end of the day, say that that's the result not just of alternative

00:37:02.960 | media gaining steam and free speech on X.

00:37:05.760 | I think those were absolutely necessary enablers.

00:37:08.760 | It's also the fact that Trump has a trillion-dollar personality and is a tremendously gifted communicator

00:37:14.560 | and politician in his own unique way.

00:37:16.600 | Genius.

00:37:17.600 | But finally, you have to say that the issues are on Trump's side.

00:37:22.040 | Americans want the border to be sealed.

00:37:24.200 | They see that the spending and the bureaucracy in Washington are out of control.

00:37:28.240 | They do not want woke cancel culture anymore.

00:37:31.360 | They see America getting over-involved in foreign wars.

00:37:35.600 | They want the spending to be brought back home where it benefits them.

00:37:40.080 | These are the key points of the Trump agenda.

00:37:42.760 | And at the end of the day, whatever you want to say about Trump, he ran a campaign based

00:37:48.040 | on issues.

00:37:49.200 | He talked about issues.

00:37:51.160 | What did Kamala Harris run her campaign on?

00:37:53.800 | Vibes.

00:37:54.800 | Vibes.

00:37:55.800 | Celebrity endorsements.

00:37:56.800 | Name-calling.

00:37:57.800 | Works last time.

00:37:58.800 | Debunked hoaxes.

00:37:59.800 | I just want to go around the horn real quick and ask each of you guys, once again, I'm

00:38:03.280 | going to ask you one more question after this.

00:38:05.320 | What mattered most?

00:38:06.440 | Was it the policy sacks, as you're proclaiming, is what a lot of people voted on?

00:38:10.240 | Was it the issues with the candidate, the individual?

00:38:12.580 | Or was it the media or the campaign tactics?

00:38:14.640 | Of those three, what mattered most, do you think, in terms of moving votes?

00:38:17.580 | What moved the most votes?

00:38:18.580 | Listen, I don't think you can separate the man from the message or the messenger from

00:38:21.480 | the message.

00:38:22.480 | Okay.

00:38:23.480 | Listen, if you had a conventional Republican out there, I don't think that they could have

00:38:28.840 | overcome the trillion-dollar propaganda machine of the legacy media.

00:38:34.380 | That being said, I think if Donald Trump had been campaigning with Mitt Romney's message

00:38:41.100 | or Mitch McConnell's message, I don't think he would have gone anywhere.

00:38:44.380 | I don't even think he would have been the Republican nominee.

00:38:46.980 | You have to say that Trump, since 2016, has tapped into something very deep in the American

00:38:52.820 | electorate.

00:38:53.820 | And, you know, this is something we can get into.

00:38:56.380 | But I think that if you look back now over the last 10 years, it's clear that he's the

00:39:00.540 | transformational figure in American politics.

00:39:03.100 | It's not Barack Obama, with all due respect.

00:39:05.300 | It's Trump.

00:39:06.300 | J. Cal, your turn.

00:39:07.300 | The policies, the individual, or the campaign tactics?

00:39:11.060 | It's very clearly this had to do, you know, primarily with Kamala.

00:39:16.340 | It is the candidate and how she was selected.

00:39:18.940 | Yeah, I mean, obviously, if you had the same track record...

00:39:22.140 | It's interesting for you to say that as a Dem, right, because I think that may have

00:39:24.540 | chased a lot of people.

00:39:25.540 | I'm a moderate.

00:39:26.540 | I'm not a Dem, by the way.

00:39:27.540 | I voted Republican one-third of the time.

00:39:29.860 | Maybe even a little bit more recently.

00:39:31.180 | But two-thirds, two-thirds, you voted Dem.

00:39:32.780 | So you were open to that.

00:39:33.940 | And she...

00:39:34.940 | I'm a left-leaning moderate.

00:39:35.940 | I mean, I've been very clear about that.

00:39:37.100 | My record's been very clear about that.

00:39:38.420 | It is clear that it was her, because I will say, if you had put up Friedberg, and I think

00:39:43.700 | it's great that you're forcing us to pick one of the three, and it's a hard thing to

00:39:47.780 | do, but if you had picked Dean Phillips and Shapiro, I think they would have beat Trump

00:39:51.820 | very easily.

00:39:52.820 | Or, because remember, Trump was phenomenally unpopular.

00:39:55.940 | And I think the big question that's going to come out of this is how did Elon do getting

00:40:01.460 | young men, and how did Joe Rogan and podcasts like ours do at getting young men to come

00:40:06.060 | out and vote?

00:40:07.060 | That's something we haven't talked about yet.

00:40:08.220 | And I feel like that could be the one thing that comes out of this election over the coming

00:40:13.380 | years that we look at that'll be the sustainable change, is that young men are now voting,

00:40:20.540 | and they want to vote for something very different than white women or old people.

00:40:25.940 | And Chamath, what is your read on what mattered most?

00:40:29.100 | Do you have one of those three?

00:40:30.500 | How would you weight?

00:40:31.500 | If you had to rank them, I think the policies of the Democratic Party are fundamentally

00:40:37.060 | broken.

00:40:38.060 | They've become the exact opposite of where they were even 20 years ago.

00:40:42.060 | So the Democrats used to be the protector of free speech.

00:40:47.660 | Now they are pro-censorship.

00:40:50.280 | The Republicans are free speech.

00:40:52.300 | The Democrats used to be all about anti-war.

00:40:55.700 | Now they are more likely to get mangled into all of these foreign misadventures in partnership

00:41:02.180 | with the military-industrial complex, whereas the Republicans have been a bulwark to war.

00:41:06.940 | And they embrace the Cheney's.

00:41:08.380 | Ultimate proof of that.

00:41:09.380 | Oh my gosh.

00:41:10.380 | I mean, that was the scariest and oddest turn of events.

00:41:13.480 | So I think that what happened is the policies, they just lost their way.

00:41:17.580 | Now the question is, was it purposeful or was it by accident?

00:41:21.960 | And I think that belies the bigger question, which is just the people in charge of the

00:41:28.140 | Democratic Party, I think to Sachs's point, do they even have a sense of that they have

00:41:33.940 | to change or are they just so now fundamentally out of touch and they just believe what they

00:41:38.820 | believe so ferociously, they're going to have to go through maybe three or four or five

00:41:43.560 | more elections of just getting totally trounced in order to learn the lesson.

00:41:46.860 | Okay, I'll wear my McLaughlin hat and say Chamath, right answer.

00:41:51.960 | Now my next question back to you Chamath is, I've had a lot of conversations in the last

00:41:59.160 | few days with good friends, with people I'm close with, with family and so on.

00:42:04.200 | Hold on, Freeberg.

00:42:05.200 | What do you think before you ask the next question?

00:42:07.600 | I think policy matters, but here's the stumbling block.

00:42:11.240 | If you talk to anyone that did not vote for Trump and voted for Kamala Harris, that is

00:42:16.640 | a, you know, kind of reasonable people or what, you know, I don't want to kind of classify

00:42:23.980 | people, but people that you would normally have decent long form conversations with,

00:42:28.040 | and you start talking about specific policy issues with them, the conversation keeps coming

00:42:33.620 | back to Trump, the person in my experience, people can't see past a person who is a quote

00:42:38.680 | convicted felon, as they claim, who is taking away women's rights, who is a bully who is

00:42:43.580 | mean.

00:42:44.580 | Who else is influenced by his past behavior and things he said and the way he's said things

00:42:48.580 | and done things on Twitter.

00:42:50.000 | We can, we can proclaim that there was a lot of misrepresentation about Trump in the, in

00:42:53.420 | the legacy media, but there were a lot of tweets that Trump put out that were off-putting

00:42:57.780 | to a lot of people.

00:42:59.300 | So I want you, Chamath, to speak to the many individuals out there who are good people

00:43:04.580 | who feel disenfranchised, who are not like the funny people you can make fun of on libs

00:43:09.520 | of TikTok or what have you, but just everyday normal people that said, I really don't trust

00:43:13.820 | the guy.

00:43:14.820 | I really don't believe that this is a good person.

00:43:17.900 | And I think that the policies make more sense.

00:43:20.580 | I agree with a lot of the policy issues, but frankly, the guy doesn't seem like the right

00:43:24.120 | guy for me.

00:43:25.300 | How do you kind of break through?

00:43:26.460 | Is that possible?

00:43:27.460 | And can you speak to that person to help them kind of see past the individual to the policies

00:43:33.100 | and have trust and faith that this individual can actually shepherd this nation forward?

00:43:38.540 | There are so many very powerful examples of how the media colluded with the Democratic

00:43:48.700 | Party to fundamentally lie about things that actually happened when it relates to Donald

00:43:56.860 | Trump.

00:43:58.620 | One of the most simple and powerful was the lie about Charlottesville.

00:44:04.740 | When I processed Charlottesville, I'm probably one of those people, David, that you talk

00:44:10.300 | about.

00:44:11.300 | I was just so scared and angry and I took at face value what the media said that Donald

00:44:21.340 | Trump said.

00:44:24.020 | And then I was really angry at Donald Trump until I saw the footage and saw that it was

00:44:30.820 | just a complete lie.

00:44:35.020 | And that is just an incredible shirking of responsibility that the media has undertaken.

00:44:39.900 | The deviousness, the dishonesty, it's really bad.

00:44:46.420 | And that's where I said, "I have to stop.

00:44:48.580 | As a grown up rational man, as the head of my family, I need to re-underwrite where I'm

00:44:56.100 | coming from."

00:44:57.100 | Well, head of my family with Nat, when she lets me be, but anyways, I can feel her, I

00:45:05.280 | can feel that one line, "Keep that line in, Nick, I am the head of my family."

00:45:16.800 | Okay.

00:45:17.800 | Anyways, guys, sorry.

00:45:18.800 | Let's get, let's get back up.

00:45:19.800 | Okay.

00:45:20.800 | Go back, go back, go back, go back.

00:45:24.960 | The thing is, I started to re-underwrite and I do that every day in my day job.

00:45:31.640 | I'm running a company.

00:45:33.320 | Is 80/90 going well or not well?

00:45:35.720 | It depends on the conditions on the ground.

00:45:37.680 | When things are going well, I need to do more of those things.

00:45:39.920 | When things are not going well, I need to re-underwrite.

00:45:42.560 | Is it something that I'm in control of?

00:45:45.120 | Is it something that I've missed?

00:45:46.460 | How do I change it?

00:45:47.460 | How do I get my team to be better?

00:45:49.000 | I live it every day.

00:45:50.200 | In investing, it's the same thing.

00:45:52.360 | There was periods where I was on top of the world and everything was working.

00:45:57.080 | Then there were waves where things were not working, but I still had to show up and do

00:46:01.000 | my job well.

00:46:02.160 | As it's turning out, in those darkest hours was when I probably have made some of my absolute

00:46:08.360 | best new investments.

00:46:10.640 | That would not have happened if I did not keep my feet on the ground and constantly

00:46:15.160 | re-underwrite and try to challenge my biases.

00:46:18.960 | There are so many examples that have happened to Trump that when you actually unpack them,

00:46:23.620 | there was a concerted effort to lie.

00:46:26.900 | That is why it's important for folks to be able to suspend that judgment.

00:46:33.280 | The second thing I would say is then you saw four years of the man in office.

00:46:39.160 | If you actually separate the interpretation by the media who frankly just hate him with

00:46:48.000 | what he actually did, you take a step back and you're like, "Man, these accomplishments

00:46:52.800 | were incredible."

00:46:54.200 | For example, let's look at what happened with the Abraham Accords.

00:46:57.680 | We have never been closer to substantial and sustained peace in the Middle East in any

00:47:04.880 | era of government under any president than we were when Jared Kushner on behalf of Donald

00:47:10.520 | Trump negotiated those agreements.

00:47:13.920 | Look how far we have slipped since then.

00:47:18.120 | All of that happened as a result of the incoming government wanting to undo what was so logically

00:47:26.320 | right in the first place.

00:47:29.360 | Part of that was to feed a media cycle.

00:47:31.040 | Again, I just go back to David, all of these normal people, and I know a lot of them as

00:47:35.440 | well.

00:47:36.440 | >>Corey: Speak to them, yeah.

00:47:37.440 | >>Corey: I mean, yeah.

00:47:38.440 | >>Corey: You guys need to just take a step back and take a beat and just think about

00:47:42.880 | something for a second.

00:47:44.320 | How do so many normal, high-functioning, well-intended people switch sides?

00:47:51.240 | How did that happen?

00:47:52.240 | >>Corey: Now, J. Cal, let me ask you the flip side of the coin.

00:47:55.660 | You have expressed publicly, recently, even on a podcast yesterday, with Sachs in vigorous

00:48:02.460 | debate on this show many times, reservations about Trump and the character of Trump.

00:48:09.280 | How do you feel ... You obviously align with the policies that he's highlighted and indicated.

00:48:14.200 | You've said so.

00:48:15.200 | >>Corey: Absolutely, yeah.

00:48:16.200 | >>Corey: Do you see past the person, or do you still have a strong degree of reservation

00:48:19.760 | about the individual?

00:48:20.760 | Do you see that playing out in your cohort, friends, family, what have you, that there's

00:48:25.320 | strong reservation because of the character?

00:48:27.760 | >>Corey: Yeah.

00:48:28.760 | It's a great question.

00:48:30.120 | I think the thing we have to do now is come together as a country.

00:48:33.360 | He's the president.

00:48:34.560 | It's great that it was not a debatable election and we're not going to have riots at the Capitol

00:48:39.960 | and people beating up police officers.

00:48:42.600 | Now it's time to actually look at what Trump said, and then we will grade him on what he

00:48:48.160 | actually gets done.

00:48:50.640 | If he is able to hang out with the cohort of Elon and Chamath and Sachs and J.D. Vance,

00:49:00.040 | I feel a lot better about it.

00:49:01.600 | Now there's a lot of people speculating he will turn on Chamath, he will turn on Sachs,

00:49:06.680 | he will turn on Elon, and that relationship will end in the next year or two.

00:49:10.640 | That's what I'm looking at.

00:49:11.800 | Will Trump actually do the things he says he's going to do?

00:49:16.040 | And what did he say he was going to do?

00:49:17.480 | Well, he's not going to have a national abortion ban.

00:49:20.200 | He's not going to kick people out who get college degrees here.

00:49:24.000 | Remember he said on the show he's going to staple the green guard to it.

00:49:27.240 | But then there's other, and he said he's going to end the Ukraine, the war in Ukraine on

00:49:30.960 | day one.

00:49:32.080 | So let's make a list of all the things he promised, and like anybody else, let's judge

00:49:37.680 | him based on what he gets done.

00:49:40.100 | Now some of the things he promised, like the mass deportation of 15 million people, I think

00:49:44.880 | a lot of people even on this podcast probably don't agree with.

00:49:48.600 | I don't think anybody here wants to see 15 million people who came here to have a better

00:49:53.520 | life and who are working hard and who are productive members of our society literally

00:49:58.800 | get dragged out of here.

00:50:00.400 | The 500,000 that are criminals or a million, sure, nobody wants to see them get a free

00:50:05.640 | pass here.

00:50:06.880 | But there's going to be some of the items on his agenda that are going to be very uncomfortable

00:50:12.360 | to see executed, and some of them would be amazing and miracles.

00:50:15.480 | If he comes in and all of a sudden Ukraine war is settled, fantastic.

00:50:20.620 | If he starts dragging a million people every two or three months out of the country, that

00:50:27.560 | could be absolutely disastrous and incredibly hard to watch happen in America.

00:50:33.360 | So we've got to judge him based on his actions.

00:50:36.140 | Let's give him the support he needs.

00:50:37.780 | And I really hope, the thing that gives me hope is the fact that Sachs, Chamath, Elon,

00:50:42.900 | and J.D. Vance are by his side.

00:50:44.820 | So I'm going to move on to the rest of the election, the other races.

00:50:48.900 | So the presidency, we've talked about.

00:50:51.800 | Let's talk about the House and the Senate, Sachs.

00:50:54.000 | In the House, there's 37 races that have yet to be called, but it looks like the Republicans

00:51:00.840 | need about 12 more to be called to have a majority.

00:51:04.060 | It seems very likely.

00:51:05.060 | I mean, according to Polly Market, it's 99% that the Republicans will have the majority

00:51:09.360 | in the House.

00:51:10.360 | The Republicans have control of the Senate, and Trump is in the White House.

00:51:16.120 | What are the top policy items that the Republicans will pursue with this degree of legislative

00:51:23.620 | and executive control?

00:51:25.440 | What's number one, two, three on the list?

00:51:27.300 | What's top priority?

00:51:28.300 | And how are they kind of getting together to figure out what and how to execute those

00:51:33.780 | items in the weeks and months after January 20th?

00:51:37.580 | Well, so first of all, I think the Senate majority matters a lot in terms of Trump getting

00:51:42.140 | the appointments that he wants.

00:51:44.620 | Because if he was just at 51, let's call it, it would be quite hard.

00:51:49.360 | Susan Collins and Lisa Murkowski tend to be very, very moderate Republicans and would

00:51:57.260 | oppose, I think, a lot of conservative appointments.

00:52:00.780 | Trump's already at 53 senators, and there's two more that are still up for grabs and waiting

00:52:05.860 | to be counted.

00:52:06.860 | So you might get to 54 in the next week or so.

00:52:09.660 | It just means he's gonna have a freer range on appointments.

00:52:11.800 | I think that'd be really good for Bobby Kennedy.

00:52:15.060 | I think it might be harder to get Bobby Kennedy confirmed for a major cabinet post with 51,

00:52:20.780 | with 53, 54, I think we get there.

00:52:23.220 | I think that's a really great thing for the country.

00:52:26.060 | There's other appointments in a similar vein that I think would be easier for Trump to

00:52:29.820 | get through.

00:52:30.820 | In terms of the rest of the agenda, I mean, Trump clearly does wanna end the war in Ukraine.

00:52:36.180 | Is he gonna be able to do it on day one?

00:52:37.620 | No.

00:52:38.620 | I don't think that's realistic because, frankly, the Ukrainians are not willing to make the

00:52:43.980 | concessions yet.

00:52:44.980 | They're not in a place where they're willing to make a deal.

00:52:47.540 | I still think that what Trump was saying during the campaign, if you look at it as expression

00:52:52.180 | of his motivations and where his sentiments are coming from, they were good sentiments.

00:52:56.880 | But if he can't solve it on day one because Ukrainians don't wanna make a deal, I can't

00:53:00.340 | really fault him for that, but I think he'll try.

00:53:03.580 | I think that on Doge, there's clearly a strong desire of many in the Republican Party and

00:53:09.580 | Elon and the people that Elon brought with him for major government reform.

00:53:15.540 | Much more efficiency, much less spending.

00:53:18.060 | I think that we have to get as much of that passed as possible in the first, certainly

00:53:22.580 | the first year.

00:53:23.580 | - There's a necessity for legislative action to get all the cuts in federal spending that

00:53:28.660 | they're looking to cut.

00:53:29.660 | Is that right, Zach?

00:53:30.660 | I mean, if Elon's objective is cutting a trillion dollars...

00:53:33.260 | - There might be some things you can just do through executive orders, and they should

00:53:36.620 | do as much as they can, but I think you do need some congressional action as well.

00:53:40.540 | This is an area where it's just gonna be really hard because spending is a bipartisan problem,

00:53:46.060 | and it's gonna be really hard to jam through the type of deep reform that we really should

00:53:53.620 | have at the federal level.

00:53:54.940 | But I think that now there's a shot because Trump does have majorities in the House and

00:53:59.000 | Senate that he can at least get something through, so at least we have a shot at getting

00:54:03.460 | something done there.

00:54:04.460 | Are we gonna get two trillion in cuts like Elon wants?

00:54:07.620 | I would love that.

00:54:08.620 | I doubt you're gonna be able to pass that through Congress, but do you start with that

00:54:12.820 | number and then work your way down to a number that you can get both parties to support?

00:54:17.380 | Maybe that's possible, hopefully.

00:54:18.740 | - I would've started with three then.

00:54:20.780 | I mean, that's just my tactic, but whatever.

00:54:24.780 | But I think reforming the bureaucracy is just such a huge theme coming out of this election,

00:54:31.020 | and we just have to figure out how to get that done, and we have the mandate.

00:54:35.340 | That's Trump's mandate.

00:54:36.340 | - And the federal government is such a large sprawling, it is the largest organization

00:54:41.260 | on earth except for maybe the CCP, and in that sense, you really have to have leverage

00:54:47.740 | in leadership to be able to realize that degree of action at that scale, so the cabinet positions

00:54:53.540 | matter a lot to realize that agenda.

00:54:56.220 | Is that fair to say, Chamath?

00:54:57.700 | And maybe we can talk a little bit about who are the folks in the orbit of Donald Trump

00:55:04.700 | and the transition team that are being considered for different cabinet posts?

00:55:09.380 | And as an advisor, or let's call you a theoretical advisor to the transition team, what are the

00:55:16.140 | kind of key posts that matter to you?

00:55:17.960 | How would you kind of advise them who to look for that could really realize the outcome

00:55:21.460 | that the mandate is dictating?

00:55:24.300 | - Well, I have no influence on this process, so I'm just totally spitballing, but people

00:55:30.580 | who I think are excellent, I'm gonna put Bobby Kennedy right at the top of the list.

00:55:38.580 | I think that Bobby has an opportunity to allow the transparency of information that will

00:55:45.320 | allow folks to keep doing what we've done or to change course in a way that right now

00:55:53.000 | I think is a little bit more difficult than it needs to be.

00:55:56.900 | I think Vivek Ramaswamy is indefatigable.

00:56:00.880 | I think he's a, if you remember back to the Republican primaries, there was only one person

00:56:08.200 | that did not attack Donald Trump, and it was Vivek.

00:56:10.280 | I think he believed in what Donald Trump was doing and was willing to sort of embrace and

00:56:16.120 | extend this idea.

00:56:17.840 | So I think he'd be a really good proxy.

00:56:19.440 | I don't know what role that looks like, but I just think that he would be exceptional.

00:56:23.000 | - Maybe amazing.

00:56:24.520 | There's some rumors that he's gonna run for governor of Ohio, but he'd be amazing in the

00:56:27.640 | federal government.

00:56:28.640 | Tulsi Gabbard.

00:56:29.640 | We gotta get Tulsi in there.

00:56:30.640 | - Tulsi Gabbard, yeah.

00:56:31.640 | Yeah, just to go through the list, I think Tulsi Gabbard is so awesome.

00:56:36.520 | - For what role?

00:56:37.520 | What would you put her in?

00:56:38.760 | - The rumor is veteran affairs, but hopefully it's at least that.

00:56:45.720 | - That's a cabinet position, right?

00:56:46.720 | Just for those who...

00:56:47.720 | - Yeah.

00:56:48.720 | You know, there's another race that's going on that's really below the surface but is

00:56:51.200 | extremely important, and that is the new Senate Majority Leader, Mitch McConnell.

00:56:55.360 | Mitch McConnell says he's stepping aside.

00:56:57.360 | There's two major candidates.

00:56:58.360 | - It's John Thune versus Mike Lee, yeah.

00:56:59.920 | - Well, it's John Thune versus Cornyn from Texas, and Mike Lee has been sort of agitating.

00:57:06.300 | It's not clear that Mike Lee will throw his hat in the ring.

00:57:09.020 | If he did, I would be all in favor of it.

00:57:11.660 | If Mike Lee, who is from Utah, doesn't, we should really go with whoever he recommends.

00:57:16.500 | I really trust that Mike Lee will represent the MAGA agenda, whereas quite frankly, the

00:57:22.340 | other candidates will be a continuation of Mitch.

00:57:25.740 | And this is Trump's moment to weigh in on that.

00:57:28.860 | He's basking in the glow right now.

00:57:31.220 | He is in the winner's circle.

00:57:33.860 | He can get anything through the Republican caucus.

00:57:37.740 | And I think that he could weigh in right now in the Senate Majority race and make sure

00:57:42.060 | the right person gets it.

00:57:44.220 | If you get a continuation of Mitch McConnell, you will not get real reform through the Senate.

00:57:48.360 | Look at what happened during Trump won.

00:57:50.100 | Mitch McConnell was one of Trump's biggest opponents.

00:57:53.820 | So there would be alternatives, but I think Trump would have to step in and act.

00:57:57.660 | There's some talk about Rick Scott from Florida being a candidate.

00:58:00.500 | I think he'd be very good if he's still in the race.

00:58:03.580 | Or just go right over the top and go with a Mike Lee.

00:58:06.940 | This is your moment to basically put in a loyalist.

00:58:10.340 | And then the big cabinet positions that are left, I think defense, probably somebody like

00:58:14.740 | Rick Grinnell, who's already worked for Trump and was the DNI right at the end, I think.

00:58:21.900 | And then in Treasury, it's, you know, I think people say it's between Scott Besant and John

00:58:28.580 | Paulson.

00:58:29.580 | I'm not so sure.

00:58:31.060 | I don't know.

00:58:32.060 | I don't remember.

00:58:33.060 | I think it's like probably Haskell.

00:58:34.060 | But then, you know, I saw like you saw Jerome Powell, Jerome Powell this morning said he

00:58:37.460 | would not step aside if asked to resign by Donald Trump.

00:58:40.620 | No, he's got two more years.

00:58:42.140 | So he's got until 26.

00:58:43.580 | He's got until mid 26.

00:58:44.580 | So, you know, I mean, the room, I don't want to say too much, but I think this is pretty

00:58:47.500 | much out there.

00:58:48.500 | I think we're now one state, not defense.

00:58:50.420 | I think that it's not to say he's going to get it.

00:58:52.420 | I don't know.

00:58:53.420 | But that's been out there for a long time.

00:58:55.940 | I think that what a lot of people in let's call it the MAGA movement, the America First

00:59:00.900 | movement are going to be looking at very closely is do neocons worm their way into this administration.

00:59:09.340 | Look at what happened during Trump one.

00:59:10.900 | He ran in opposition to forever wars, I think was a major part of his appeal.

00:59:15.560 | It's what allowed him to shatter the Bush dynasty.

00:59:18.060 | It's what I think really hurt Kamala in terms of having the Chinese embrace her.

00:59:22.300 | So it's a major part of his, I'd say, not just appeal, but also his legacy that he will

00:59:28.140 | not continue forever wars.

00:59:29.640 | But the problem is that the blob keeps infiltrating Trump administration, or they did, they infiltrated

00:59:36.620 | Trump one by putting in John Bolton and Esper and all these guys who frankly betrayed Trump.

00:59:42.860 | So I think a lot of people are looking closely at will neocons be able to worm their way

00:59:46.900 | into this administration.

00:59:47.900 | And if they do, it's a very, it would be very, very sad, I think.

00:59:51.840 | The difference this time around, which is so incredible, is that you're now seeing on

00:59:56.840 | X people asking all the neocons to be named and shamed, and they're creating these lists

01:00:02.660 | so that they can't worm their way in.

01:00:04.320 | It's the most incredible thing I've ever seen, where have you espoused those views in the

01:00:09.760 | past?

01:00:10.760 | If so, the likelihood that somebody will raise an alarm bell now so that you can't get near

01:00:17.340 | this administration, I've never seen anything like that before, actually.

01:00:21.320 | Yeah.

01:00:22.320 | And you know what?

01:00:23.320 | Here's the great danger is you look at the last few months, okay?

01:00:25.760 | Who was there for Trump?

01:00:26.960 | It was people like Elon.

01:00:28.600 | It was basically all of us who worked, and look, I'm a very minor, minor figure, but

01:00:34.720 | I did my little part and there were a lot of other people on the ground doing their

01:00:37.880 | thing.

01:00:38.880 | But where is Elon today?

01:00:39.880 | Elon had to fly home for a Tesla board meeting.

01:00:41.840 | He's got real companies to run.

01:00:43.520 | And who all of a sudden shows up in Mar-a-Lago?

01:00:45.760 | The swamp creatures.

01:00:47.160 | They were nowhere to be found for the last three months.

01:00:49.560 | Now the swamp creatures come crawling out, and they're gonna be swarming Mar-a-Lago and

01:00:53.800 | trying to worm their way into the administration.

01:00:56.160 | And that's the issue is we gotta keep, you know, this is where I hope that all the MAGA

01:01:01.760 | influencers stay frosty and stay involved.

01:01:06.160 | We have to consolidate this victory and get reform type people in the administration,

01:01:11.840 | not just the usual type people from Washington.

01:01:14.920 | Would you serve if asked?

01:01:15.920 | Would you consider it?

01:01:16.920 | No.

01:01:17.920 | I mean, look, I've already said before I'm the key man at Kraft, I can't do that.

01:01:21.120 | But, you know, look, I would do something part-time, meaning if it wasn't a full-time

01:01:24.520 | job, if I didn't have to leave my current job, if it was just serving on some advisory

01:01:29.560 | committee or something that was compatible with my current job, I would do that.

01:01:33.740 | That's a no-brainer.

01:01:34.740 | I would love to.

01:01:35.740 | What about you, Chris?

01:01:36.740 | Absolutely.

01:01:37.740 | Not full-time because I'm running a company, but if there was the opportunity to help basically-

01:01:41.360 | Just put me on the DOJ committee, Sax, if you wouldn't mind.

01:01:44.280 | I just want to go like line item by line item in one afternoon, and I'm out of there.

01:01:48.200 | Like I'm just gonna go in-

01:01:49.200 | Elon did say this today, but he said the A-team are running companies.

01:01:53.560 | We're all running companies.

01:01:55.100 | But if asked to serve, especially in a part-time capacity where you don't have to divest everything

01:02:01.320 | you own and you can actually just go and call bullsh*t and actually just make sure good

01:02:05.180 | decisions get made, it would be an honor to serve in that capacity.

01:02:09.360 | I think everybody should have given a chance.

01:02:11.280 | I want to say one thing just to build on Sax.

01:02:13.080 | Oh, sorry.

01:02:14.080 | Yeah.

01:02:15.080 | And then I want to ask you one more question, Chamath.

01:02:16.080 | Go ahead.

01:02:17.080 | I want to give a shout out to Elon in one very specific way.

01:02:22.560 | You've heard all these stories where he gets obsessed about something and then he focuses

01:02:27.880 | on it at the sake of everything else and strips it down and gets to first principles, rebuilds

01:02:35.960 | it back up, and it works.

01:02:38.740 | As far as I can tell, basically when he decided that this election was going to come down

01:02:45.420 | to Pennsylvania on one hand and young men on the other, he just kept doing that one

01:02:55.920 | thing over and over and over again.

01:03:00.400 | Every time you turned on X, he was doing a rally.

01:03:04.480 | Crazy.

01:03:05.480 | He was speaking to the residents of Pennsylvania and/or-

01:03:08.960 | Yeah.

01:03:09.960 | He spent like two weeks there.

01:03:11.960 | getting them out.

01:03:13.580 | And then his PAC built an infrastructure that rivaled the democratic infrastructure in terms

01:03:21.020 | of get out the vote and transportation-

01:03:23.060 | With less money.

01:03:24.060 | With a lot less money and only in a month or two.

01:03:27.100 | It is incredible.

01:03:28.100 | Well, and then the sweepstakes was also a really good idea.

01:03:31.340 | It's really incredible.

01:03:32.740 | It's really, really incredible.

01:03:33.740 | And there was a lot of controversy around the sweepstakes idea.

01:03:36.380 | I don't know why that was so controversial because if you think about-

01:03:39.940 | It was the media trying to make an issue that was a nothing burger a burger.

01:03:44.260 | Yeah.

01:03:45.260 | And so, I think this is where-

01:03:46.260 | It was dismissed on its face because if any person spent eight seconds understanding the

01:03:50.580 | law, the judge dismissed it within an hour.

01:03:54.060 | So, if we look at that million dollar sweepstakes to sign up for his PAC, if you think about

01:03:59.140 | how people normally get people to sign up, they're paying a dollar a click, probably

01:04:04.680 | $50 a click, whatever it is, using giving money to ABC or giving money to Facebook.

01:04:09.540 | And he just said, "Hey, I'll just do a sweepstakes.

01:04:11.500 | Sign up for this and then I have you in the database and then I can market it to you."

01:04:16.220 | There's no difference between giving away a million dollar sweepstakes or buying a bunch

01:04:19.820 | of ads and paying by click.

01:04:21.660 | And for everybody to frame that as he's buying votes when it was so clear he wasn't, I think

01:04:26.780 | that's the kind of media manipulation people are getting savvy to and does not work anymore.

01:04:31.180 | It was very clear.

01:04:32.180 | It was just a sweepstakes to sign up for his PAC.

01:04:34.620 | It's no different than paying $10 a click to Facebook.

01:04:38.500 | When the legal infrastructure of America dismisses a case on its face within 60 minutes of it

01:04:43.180 | being heard, it means it is a farce.

01:04:45.660 | Yeah.

01:04:46.660 | I mean, look, I think what Elon showed is that a smart person can come in who basically,

01:04:53.580 | like you said, can go into demon mode, has a startup or innovation mentality, is willing

01:04:58.140 | to spend money but wants to do it smartly, but is really hardcore, can come in and beat

01:05:03.380 | the supposed professionals of their own game.

01:05:05.820 | I think one of the big stories that's going to come out, there's already some tea being

01:05:09.980 | spilt within Democratic circles about Jen O'Malley Dillon, who was the campaign manager

01:05:15.620 | that Kamala Harris inherited from Biden.

01:05:18.740 | She had a billion dollars to spend.

01:05:20.660 | A billion dollars.

01:05:21.660 | The campaign still ended $20 million in debt.

01:05:24.260 | In debt.

01:05:25.260 | And this at least has been reported.

01:05:26.260 | Where'd the money go?

01:05:27.260 | So, well, I'll tell you.

01:05:28.260 | The money went to expensive consultants.

01:05:31.260 | They did overly elaborate staged events.

01:05:33.580 | They did these like fake concerts, celebrity cameos.

01:05:36.420 | Supposedly they paid Beyonce $10 million and they didn't even get a song out of it and

01:05:40.700 | that ended up pissing people off.

01:05:41.700 | She got paid?

01:05:42.700 | They were paying celebrities?

01:05:43.700 | I don't know.

01:05:44.700 | I don't know if that's true.

01:05:45.700 | I just read it in a tweet, so I can't say for sure, but that's what I read.

01:05:48.540 | Yeah.

01:05:49.540 | But who knows?

01:05:50.540 | It sounds suspect.

01:05:51.540 | The point is, they spent a lot of money on the consultants and, you know, the events.

01:05:58.100 | And Elon went after the Amish, you know?

01:06:00.940 | That's like a lot smarter.

01:06:02.420 | The person on the Democratic side where I feel the most disappointment after all of

01:06:06.420 | this is Barack Obama.

01:06:10.780 | I think he, in the period when he was elected, to me was just transcended.

01:06:17.980 | And I thought that this is a person that really was immune to getting assimilated into the

01:06:25.940 | board.

01:06:26.940 | And I don't know why I thought that, but I did think that.

01:06:30.620 | And I was just so saddened to see the tone and the rhetoric from Barack Obama during

01:06:37.500 | this last home stretch.

01:06:39.380 | It, I think, was reputationally very damaging to him.

01:06:42.940 | What did he say that offended you?

01:06:45.420 | It was less about it.

01:06:46.420 | It didn't offend me.

01:06:47.420 | I was just observing.

01:06:48.420 | Or disappointed.

01:06:49.420 | The, when the rhetoric was, you know, trying to propagate these lies, the very fine people

01:06:55.020 | hoax, all of these things, I just thought he's so much smarter than this.

01:06:58.220 | The abortion ban.

01:06:59.500 | The abortion ban.

01:07:00.500 | He knows that these things are not true.

01:07:02.100 | Why is he saying objective lies?

01:07:05.540 | I don't really judge politicians for doing it in general, but I never considered him

01:07:10.900 | a politician.

01:07:11.900 | I sort of considered him here, just like this echelon above.

01:07:16.300 | And I was, I was really disappointed that he chose to go down that path.

01:07:20.140 | Yeah, well, I could definitely add to that.

01:07:22.220 | I mean, look, I think Obama's whole mystique was that he transcended politics and he tried

01:07:27.460 | to maintain that position of being above the fray and let the grubby business of politics

01:07:32.580 | be beneath him.

01:07:33.780 | And even during the whole coup against Biden, I mean, they say that Obama signed off.

01:07:38.420 | He was basically in favor of the switcheroo to Harris, but he was the last person to endorse

01:07:44.140 | it.

01:07:45.140 | He was never to be seen as doing the dirty work that was left to Nancy Pelosi.

01:07:48.220 | But there's no question that the switcheroo, I think, was backed by Obama.

01:07:54.480 | And then he did everything he could to problem Harris, including using the very fine people

01:07:58.100 | hoax telling these lies.

01:07:59.700 | And I agree, Chamath, I think that he has diminished himself.

01:08:03.900 | He's brought himself now down to the level of politics.

01:08:06.220 | Down to the level of an average politician.

01:08:08.340 | Right.

01:08:09.340 | I think probably you're disappointed because you had such a high benchmark for him.

01:08:12.660 | But we were just talking about Trump saying he would end the war on day one.

01:08:17.260 | He said that he's going to deport 15 million people.

01:08:20.980 | And you know, all these politicians lie.

01:08:23.100 | So I think my closing statement on all of this is y'all were a key part in putting Trump

01:08:29.820 | in, obviously.

01:08:32.420 | And if he starts behaving in the way he behaved during his first term, the darker things he

01:08:37.400 | did, I hope that y'all will call him on it and publicly call him on it and that he will

01:08:42.620 | steer towards, you know, his better angels.

01:08:44.980 | And that's my hope for America and my hope for all of you who helped put him in office

01:08:49.500 | and played a very significant role in getting him here.

01:08:51.900 | When he does something crazy, if he does try to drag 15 million people out of the country,

01:08:56.260 | is that OK with you, Sax?

01:08:58.260 | Well, you said that he would start with a million people, 500,000 to a million who are

01:09:01.900 | clear criminals.

01:09:03.020 | He should do that.

01:09:04.020 | I hope he does that.

01:09:05.020 | Well, that's what J.D. Vance said and we all agree on that.

01:09:06.020 | Yeah.

01:09:07.020 | J.D. said that the way you deport...

01:09:08.020 | What about the other 14?

01:09:09.020 | He said that the way that you do deportations is the same way you eat an elephant.

01:09:11.740 | You do it one bite at a time.

01:09:12.740 | A sandwich.

01:09:13.740 | You eat a sandwich.

01:09:14.740 | So the way you eat an elephant is you do it one bite at a time.

01:09:17.340 | Let's start with the biggest criminals, the biggest people who shouldn't be here, and

01:09:20.540 | then let's see what happens after that.

01:09:22.540 | And look...

01:09:23.540 | If he went after the other 14 million, would you be in support of that?

01:09:26.980 | We haven't gotten there yet.

01:09:27.980 | The point is you take the first bite of the sandwich, then you talk about the second bite.

01:09:30.940 | But there was a line from the 2016 election about Trump that I think was attributed to

01:09:34.900 | Peter Thiel, which is very important, which is that Trump should be taken seriously but

01:09:38.940 | not literally.

01:09:41.220 | Because when he expresses a policy or a point of view, he sells it.

01:09:45.580 | So when he says, "I'm going to end the Ukraine war on day one," does that mean he's literally

01:09:49.900 | going to do it on day one?

01:09:50.900 | No.

01:09:51.900 | What it means is he's going to try really hard to end the Ukraine war.

01:09:54.740 | If he does it on day 365 of his presidency instead of day one, I'm not going to come

01:09:59.500 | out and say, "He lied.

01:10:00.500 | He didn't do what he said."

01:10:01.500 | No.

01:10:02.500 | I'm going to say, "He got the job done.

01:10:03.500 | He did what he said he was going to do."

01:10:04.940 | So I think it's very important to judge him in that way.

01:10:08.260 | When he says, "I'm going to deport 15 million people," do I expect him to do all 15 million?

01:10:12.660 | Not necessarily.

01:10:13.660 | But if he closes the border, builds the wall, seals it so it's no longer a problem, and

01:10:18.420 | deports 500,000 to a million hardcore criminals out of this country, I'm going to say that

01:10:22.900 | was a massive success.

01:10:24.540 | And you know what's going to happen?

01:10:25.540 | The legacy media is going to say, "Well, he lied because he didn't deport the other 14.2

01:10:29.180 | million."

01:10:30.180 | Come on.

01:10:31.180 | Let's understand the difference between campaigning and governing.

01:10:35.220 | I agree with all that, and I do think if he does try to do the 14 million, that's the

01:10:39.780 | thing I have concerns about.

01:10:41.060 | Got it.

01:10:42.060 | Okay.

01:10:43.060 | Friedberg, over to you.

01:10:44.060 | So let's talk about the cabinet positions.

01:10:45.060 | Chamath, a guy like RFK Jr. has never held an executive position before.

01:10:49.540 | You and others on this panel, Sachs, J-Cal, myself, we've all kind of managed large groups

01:10:55.220 | of people.

01:10:56.220 | We've all been in positions of being a CEO of a business.

01:10:59.280 | You talk a lot about bringing in the outsiders, and the Trump campaign talks a lot about bringing

01:11:02.820 | in these outsiders, Sachs begrudgingly highlights the swamp creatures emerging to ask for those

01:11:07.700 | slots in those positions because they are lifelong politicians and bureaucrats.

01:11:12.980 | How do we have trust and faith, or do you think that that's the whole point, is that

01:11:16.940 | you have folks that don't have the experience to run these organizations, that don't have

01:11:20.780 | the insights on who actually works there, on how they operate, and them coming in is

01:11:24.700 | going to provide enough of a fresh perspective and f**k things up enough that that's exactly

01:11:28.900 | the point.

01:11:30.260 | And talk a little bit about bringing in outsiders, but outsiders that can be effective in transforming

01:11:35.260 | these government agencies, not just blowing them up, or is the goal to blow them up?

01:11:40.780 | No, again, I would just temper and tone down that rhetoric.

01:11:45.380 | Nobody's blowing up anything.

01:11:47.100 | But I think step one is going to be a level of transparency so that doing the obvious

01:11:52.920 | becomes obvious.

01:11:55.020 | And I think that if you look back over 40 or 50 years, what has happened is that secretaries

01:12:00.100 | and political appointments have gone from, "Get the best person in the job because they

01:12:04.740 | know it," to, "Here's political payola," if you will.

01:12:08.460 | And I think the pendulum has swung to too far of an extreme.

01:12:12.780 | That's why the swamp people are able to maintain control, because the person above them who's

01:12:17.620 | appointed doesn't fundamentally know the inner workings of the organization.

01:12:21.820 | I suspect what you're going to see is a radical push to transparency.

01:12:26.940 | And I think that when you combine transparency, and Sachs called for this, a version of the

01:12:30.580 | Twitter files for the government, I do think you're going to see that.

01:12:34.820 | But if you combine that push to transparency with a handful of topics, by the way, we introduced

01:12:41.180 | a long time ago this idea of zero-based budgeting into the lexicon and language of these political

01:12:45.860 | candidates that they used all the way through to the finish line, I do believe the Republicans

01:12:51.540 | earnestly mean it.

01:12:53.440 | And so I think when you put these two things together, Freeberg, I think what you will

01:12:56.400 | have is all of this laid bare, and then I think it'll start a debate on what to do.

01:13:02.540 | And I think the decisions about what to do will be so blindingly obvious.

01:13:08.400 | The low-hanging fruit will save this country once we pluck it.

01:13:13.160 | Can I just say a word about, I think it's so important for Bobby Kennedy to be confirmed

01:13:18.440 | in whatever cabinet position that he's going to get.

01:13:21.640 | Number one, you know, we look back at the campaign now and it seems obvious that Trump

01:13:25.560 | was going to win it.

01:13:26.560 | But at the time that Bobby Kennedy came on board, that was a major factor in shifting

01:13:31.280 | momentum towards Trump.

01:13:33.480 | So that's number one.

01:13:34.600 | Number two, we need to keep Bobby Kennedy's coalition as part of our movement.

01:13:40.080 | It's not just about what he did in this last election.

01:13:42.880 | It's keeping all of those people, those young people and those former Democrats on side

01:13:47.360 | and part of the Republican Party and the MAGA movement.

01:13:50.160 | And number three, he's genuinely going to reform that huge part of the bureaucracy.

01:13:55.720 | And that's extremely important.

01:13:56.760 | And we need outsiders to come in and shake things up.

01:13:59.800 | He's right about the regulatory capture.

01:14:01.880 | He's right about the marriage of state power and corporate greed.

01:14:06.440 | Let's have someone go in there who's got fresh eyes but also understands how the bureaucracy

01:14:10.320 | works because he's litigated and shake things up.

01:14:13.520 | If you look at what Bobby posted to Instagram, Nick, I don't know if you can find it, but

01:14:18.400 | it was pretty telling on this dimension of the first inning is going to be about absolute

01:14:24.440 | radical transparency and sharing with the American people everything that's been under

01:14:29.920 | the covers.

01:14:30.920 | By the way, it's not just on that dimension, right?

01:14:34.200 | We're going to see the Epstein files.

01:14:36.400 | We're going to see the Diddy lists.

01:14:38.040 | We're going to see the JFK file.

01:14:39.320 | I know that these things are sort of fringe conspiracy theory type things for some people.

01:14:44.160 | But the point is from pillar to post, that first phase of this radical truth seeking

01:14:49.840 | transparency is an incredible disinfectant that you can build from.

01:14:54.760 | And he told the FDA, I think something to the effect of pack your bags and keep your

01:14:58.440 | records.

01:14:59.440 | Now let's take the hyperbolic part of it out, but it's the keep your records part that should

01:15:04.360 | be valuable because we deserve to have answers.

01:15:08.040 | Now when you think at the same time that you have inventions like AI that can crunch every

01:15:14.160 | single piece of data under the sun and tell you the absolute truth, imagine when you put

01:15:18.640 | transparency and the government sharing incredible amounts of information with the compute power

01:15:24.800 | that the Googles and the Facebooks and the open a eyes of the world are creating.

01:15:30.160 | You'll know these answers to all of these questions, vaccines, are they good or bad?

01:15:34.920 | When?

01:15:35.920 | How?

01:15:36.920 | Are they good or bad?

01:15:37.920 | When?

01:15:38.920 | How?

01:15:39.920 | All of these drugs that have been approved.

01:15:40.920 | Why?

01:15:41.920 | All of these drugs that have not been approved.

01:15:42.920 | Why?

01:15:43.920 | You're going to start to see some really interesting things.

01:15:46.040 | Has there been research on the impacts of food on physiology?

01:15:49.720 | Were they suppressed?

01:15:50.720 | Were they not suppressed?

01:15:51.720 | So I think phase one is get it all out into the open.

01:15:56.520 | -Totally.

01:15:57.520 | And what I said, just what Chamath referred to is, yeah, I said we should do a Twitter

01:16:01.860 | files for the whole federal government.

01:16:04.120 | Because what I meant by that is remember before Elon bought Twitter, they told us for years

01:16:10.200 | that the idea that Twitter was shadow baiting conservatives and engaging in censorship was

01:16:15.400 | a conspiracy theory.

01:16:17.200 | Then Elon opened up the Twitter files and we saw that it was all true.

01:16:21.340 | And moreover, that the government was engaged in censorship.

01:16:24.720 | They had been working hand in glove with the trust and safety department.

01:16:27.880 | -And the FBI had logins.

01:16:28.880 | They could just go in themselves.

01:16:30.360 | I mean, it's crazy.

01:16:31.360 | -And the FBI had their own tool called Teleport, which would allow them to transmit secret

01:16:35.360 | instructions to the trust and safety team at Twitter, and they were censoring based

01:16:39.120 | on those instructions.

01:16:40.760 | That's completely unacceptable.

01:16:41.760 | Twitter management lied about it.

01:16:43.260 | The government lied about it.

01:16:44.520 | We only found out through the Twitter files.

01:16:46.840 | Let's do a Twitter files for the federal government.

01:16:49.400 | What do you think we're going to find out?

01:16:51.040 | What do you think we would find out about COVID?

01:16:53.240 | What do you think really happened there?

01:16:55.000 | If Bobby Kennedy can do that, the lies they told us.

01:16:58.040 | -The incompleteness of the actual clinical validation studies, the authorizations and

01:17:03.720 | the waivers that were secured.

01:17:06.200 | How good or how brittle or how fragile was that data?

01:17:08.960 | By the way, I think what it'll also do, Freeberg, is if it looks like this data is actually

01:17:14.440 | of extreme high quality, you know what that does?

01:17:17.800 | It reestablishes trust in that institution, which is also a win.

01:17:21.840 | So this whole thing is a win-win.

01:17:23.320 | -Well, and let's not forget the FOIA leader.

01:17:27.960 | They were literally being taught how to route around, Fauci's team, how to route around

01:17:34.560 | subpoenas and people looking for information.

01:17:37.140 | I mean, there's a lot to uncover here.

01:17:39.220 | I'm 100% here for it.

01:17:40.720 | Yeah.

01:17:41.720 | -So just to be clear, there's a law in the United States called the Freedom of Information

01:17:45.440 | Act.

01:17:46.440 | The FOIA is kind of a common term, and it gives the power and authority to individual

01:17:51.800 | citizens and third-party agencies to have a check and balance on the federal government

01:17:56.520 | that they can go in, they can request actual data, actual files.

01:18:00.480 | And it is all necessarily available to the public at any time, except for classified

01:18:06.800 | information.

01:18:07.800 | -Okay.

01:18:08.800 | Well, the federal government now over-classifies everything.

01:18:10.480 | We have something like, what, like a billion classified documents?

01:18:13.180 | They literally classify everything.

01:18:14.880 | -So through the FOIA process, third-party lawyers and nonprofits have made requests

01:18:19.880 | to federal agencies to get access to this sort of information.

01:18:23.300 | And I've done it.

01:18:24.300 | I don't know if you guys have ever used FOIA powers for information from the federal government.

01:18:27.880 | I had to do FOIA requests 10 years ago to get weather data, or 15 years ago, for my

01:18:32.680 | startup Climate.

01:18:33.680 | It was the only way we were able to get access to a bunch of weather data was through FOIA

01:18:36.440 | requests.

01:18:37.440 | And then we were able to use that data in our services, because it is public data.

01:18:41.200 | The taxpayers pay for it, so we had a right to it.

01:18:43.680 | Similarly, you can make FOIA requests of emails and interagency communications and so on.

01:18:49.320 | But, Sax, I think it seems, and J. Cal, to your point about the FOIA lady, there may,

01:18:54.280 | over time, have been some degree of corruption of the FOIA process in all of these agencies,

01:18:59.320 | which has made it more difficult for individuals and third parties to have the appropriate

01:19:03.360 | checks and balances on the data in these agencies, because of the way they've kind of obfuscated

01:19:07.640 | access, slowed down the process.

01:19:09.520 | Sometimes it takes months for them to respond to you, and it's become quite difficult.

01:19:12.720 | So the FOIA, the intention of the Freedom of Information Act may have been hindered

01:19:16.880 | by the bureaucracy.

01:19:18.520 | This will not be through FOIA.

01:19:19.520 | Let me make one other suggestion.

01:19:21.160 | We need a massive declassification effort of the federal government.

01:19:26.240 | Maybe this is the way to actually implement the Twitter Files strategy.

01:19:30.340 | The problem is we have a massive over-classification problem.

01:19:34.000 | Billions of documents have been classified at the federal government.

01:19:36.920 | Why?

01:19:37.920 | Because those bureaucracies know that they can kind of do whatever they want and kind

01:19:40.800 | of work in peace without having to disclose what they're really doing if they just mark

01:19:44.720 | classified on a document.

01:19:47.360 | Someone needs to go through that and start massively declassifying.

01:19:50.760 | If they do that, then there'll be a lot more documents available to FOIA requests.

01:19:54.720 | So that right there would be a huge help.

01:19:56.320 | And then, like you said, the FOIA process could be tightened up.

01:19:59.280 | It could be a lot faster.

01:20:00.280 | It could be a lot easier.

01:20:02.360 | And they should not be able to circumvent it by doing the kind of stuff that J-Cal referred

01:20:05.720 | to during COVID, where they were like deliberately misspelling words so that they wouldn't show

01:20:11.840 | up.

01:20:12.840 | Yeah, they were putting asterisks in, you know, hacker speak in order to avoid this.

01:20:15.160 | And they were also told, a bunch of people who are in three-letter agencies, just by

01:20:20.840 | default put this at the highest level of security not to be declassified.

01:20:27.280 | So they unnecessarily put everything in classified.

01:20:30.840 | And so now every document, every email is marked at the highest level of classification,

01:20:37.040 | which means there's no discerning it.

01:20:38.840 | And if you were to blame an FBI agent, if they told you, hey, just put everything on

01:20:42.320 | classified so it doesn't get out, okay, that seems like a pretty good way to cover your

01:20:46.720 | ass.

01:20:47.840 | And that's got to change.

01:20:48.840 | Yeah.

01:20:49.840 | Well, a lot to come in the weeks ahead.

01:20:51.760 | I'm sure we will do more updates as the cabinet positions or the nominees get announced.

01:20:55.120 | Where do you sit, Brian?

01:20:56.120 | You're a man of science.

01:20:57.120 | I know you have some differences with RFK.

01:20:59.480 | Do you want to see him?

01:21:00.480 | I have very deep trepidation about RFK having oversight.

01:21:03.960 | I think the authority might be limited with respect to the legislative authority that's

01:21:09.640 | vested by the Congress, which is the one piece.

01:21:12.120 | Look, I mean, as you guys know, there's a lot that RFK brings up that I very that resonates

01:21:17.080 | with me.

01:21:18.080 | I'm not a black and white guy.

01:21:19.160 | So there are things that he says that make a lot of sense.

01:21:21.760 | There are things I've pointed out, particularly around microplastics in the environment, particularly

01:21:25.840 | around chemistry that we use in our food and our systems of food and production.

01:21:29.560 | And I believe very strongly that we have real issues that have, you know, compounding effects

01:21:35.160 | on our health.

01:21:36.160 | So let me not be too flippant about that.

01:21:39.200 | I'm not a all vaccines are always good all the time person.

01:21:42.680 | I think that every one of them needs to be studied on the merits and the risks.

01:21:45.560 | I think fluoride is an interesting conversation to have.

01:21:48.440 | What are the merits?

01:21:49.440 | What are the risks?

01:21:50.440 | And why is it a federal why is there a federal authority over fluoride and water, which,

01:21:54.280 | by the way, there isn't.

01:21:55.280 | It's it's all local municipalities get to decide on a nuanced basis, then net net.

01:21:59.240 | Where do you wind up, Freeberg?

01:22:00.240 | Net net.

01:22:01.240 | Where do you wind up?

01:22:02.240 | I will say that there are a number of things that RFK have said that that caused me a lot

01:22:04.400 | of trouble that I'm very troubled by, because I think that he has said things that are factually

01:22:08.760 | wrong and I want him to be open to debate and open to review of objective truth.

01:22:13.960 | And that's it.

01:22:14.960 | And that's it.

01:22:15.960 | And as long as you like him as a disinfectant, as a rabble rouser, as to shake up the system

01:22:22.240 | or net net, do you think it's too risky to let him in?

01:22:24.920 | Generally, I think all these systems should be challenged 100 percent.

01:22:27.840 | So you want to send him in?

01:22:29.520 | You say you want him to be open to debate.

01:22:31.640 | I personally never seen a candidate for office has been more open to discourse debate interviews

01:22:37.560 | than Bobby Kennedy's done.

01:22:39.000 | Everything he's done on the show twice.

01:22:40.000 | I'm not classifying him.

01:22:41.000 | Otherwise, I'm not.

01:22:42.000 | You know, who is not open to debate and discourse and transparency is a bureaucracy.

01:22:48.640 | That's the problem.

01:22:49.640 | If you want government reform, you have to get into the bureaucracy.

01:22:52.480 | You need outsiders to come in.

01:22:54.280 | You make it transparent.

01:22:56.000 | You got to declassify.

01:22:57.000 | That's what you got to do.

01:22:59.280 | One of the most important aspects of science, not the recently legacy media or jokingly

01:23:05.320 | definition of quote quote science, but science is meant to be a process of skepticism, interrogation

01:23:11.120 | and the search for objective truth, which means that you should be constantly questioning

01:23:15.160 | whether you are right or wrong.

01:23:17.040 | And I do think that that is a necessary part of the process of science.

01:23:21.040 | Science is not meant to be a dictatorial regime.

01:23:23.480 | And so I think that resetting the framework for how we operate some of the agencies and

01:23:29.040 | authorities that are supposed to be rooted in science, to have the necessary process

01:23:34.000 | of skepticism, review and transparency into that, I think will reassert faith and reassert

01:23:41.040 | trust by the public in how these agencies are operating.

01:23:44.120 | And I hope that that happens.

01:23:45.440 | I really do.

01:23:46.440 | Because I do think there are very good people in all these agencies who do very good work.

01:23:50.280 | And there's a lot of very important advances that have come out of the United States of

01:23:53.400 | America and have gone through processes through the federal government that have actually

01:23:57.400 | done really great things for Americans and for humanity.

01:24:00.440 | And so I don't want us to dismiss things as being whimsical bureaucracies that don't have

01:24:04.480 | any rooting in science.

01:24:05.720 | But I do think that it's important to have this degree of skepticism and process and

01:24:08.800 | have transparency.

01:24:09.800 | So that's all.

01:24:10.800 | Well,

01:24:11.800 | I'd like you to show me in the Constitution, where the bureaucracy or the administrative

01:24:16.720 | state is a branch of the government.

01:24:19.040 | I see in the Constitution, that we are supposed to be ruled by an executive branch, a legislative

01:24:24.640 | branch, and a judicial branch.

01:24:27.540 | I do not see an administrative branch.

01:24:29.720 | That has sprung into existence over the last several decades.

01:24:34.840 | And it rules us.

01:24:36.440 | There's roughly 3 million people who work for the federal government.

01:24:38.880 | Of those, the president basically appoints 3,000, and it takes forever to get them through.

01:24:43.960 | So we have roughly 3 million people who don't report to anyone.

01:24:48.000 | Nominally, they're supposed to report to the executive branch, but the president can't

01:24:51.880 | fire him.

01:24:52.880 | We talked about on a previous show, if Elon had gone into Twitter and he hadn't been allowed

01:24:57.320 | to fire anyone, do you think he could have restored free speech to Twitter?

01:25:01.320 | Of course not.

01:25:02.320 | They just would have kept doing whatever they wanted to do.

01:25:04.760 | And that is the big problem in the federal government right now, is we are ruled by a

01:25:08.000 | fourth branch of government that is not in the Constitution, that doesn't report to anybody.

01:25:13.040 | It is not subject to elections.

01:25:15.380 | We can't vote them out, and we can't fire them.

01:25:18.220 | And they have been in the forefront of trying to stop Trump and the larger reform movement

01:25:23.300 | that he represents.

01:25:24.780 | Ever since Trump got elected in 2016, remember, it was members of the administrative states,

01:25:29.740 | specifically the security state, who said, "Don't worry, we're gonna be the insurance

01:25:32.740 | policy against Trump."

01:25:34.700 | And they have done everything possible through the Russiagate hoax, through lawfare, through

01:25:39.580 | the whole Steele dossier hoax, to basically try and stop Trump and the reform movement

01:25:44.980 | that he represents.

01:25:45.980 | And the big question of Trump's second term will be whether he can finally subdue this

01:25:50.340 | bureaucracy and bring it under Democratic control, under the control of the executive

01:25:54.900 | branch as the American people want, and as I think the Constitution intended.

01:25:59.460 | Right now, we are run by an unelected branch of government that has to stop.

01:26:02.940 | And what Trump represents is not dictatorship, but democracy, the triumph of democracy over

01:26:08.460 | this bureaucracy.

01:26:09.460 | And a big important moment for this movement, this return to the fundamentals of what was

01:26:19.140 | vested in the Constitution, is the Chevron Doctrine case at the Supreme Court earlier

01:26:24.780 | this year.

01:26:25.960 | It reversed the authority for agencies to create their own rules and regulations that

01:26:31.320 | they can then enforce on private enterprise.

01:26:33.900 | And if that case carries through and is allowed to be used to support the efforts to deregulate

01:26:41.420 | or to de-agency what you call kind of the bureaucracy, I think it enables a lot of the

01:26:46.820 | change that folks are looking for.

01:26:49.180 | Why should, for example, some commission be sprung out of, you know, some assembly being

01:26:54.500 | created, and then that commission gets to create their own rules and their own regulations

01:26:57.940 | that effectively are law, that prevent private citizens and enterprises from being able to

01:27:02.700 | operate and make decisions.

01:27:04.140 | And I think that was a very important moment for this movement, was the Supreme Court case

01:27:09.260 | on the Chevron Doctrine earlier this year.

01:27:10.740 | I don't know if you agree with me on this, Sax, but it seems like it's gonna be...

01:27:12.820 | - 100%.

01:27:13.820 | No, I totally agree.

01:27:14.820 | I think that was an absolute precursor, which is, it was insane.

01:27:16.660 | I mean, again, you had a Supreme Court ruling that effectively made the administrative state

01:27:21.980 | the highest law on the land, even though there's no constitutional basis for it.

01:27:26.300 | So, yeah, repealing Chevron was definitely half of it.

01:27:28.860 | And I think the other half of it is gonna be whether...

01:27:31.140 | - Lawmakers have to pass laws.

01:27:32.780 | You can't have individual commissions pass laws.

01:27:35.580 | That's the whole point.

01:27:36.580 | - We need bills passed by the Republican Congress that Trump can sign, but we also need, I think,

01:27:42.980 | cabinet-level appointments who will start to subdue the bureaucracy, bring them under

01:27:47.060 | control, find out what they're doing.

01:27:48.740 | Just give us transparency around what they're doing, Twitter-file this thing, so then we

01:27:53.620 | can reform it.

01:27:54.820 | - I think that we're gonna look back on this era, and I think it's gonna last about 20

01:27:59.220 | years or so, at least, which I call a return to originalism.

01:28:04.540 | We are returning to the founding principles of this startup called America, and I think

01:28:11.780 | it's incredible.

01:28:13.500 | I think Sachs is right.

01:28:14.700 | There's this unbelievable living document that created this incredible experiment.

01:28:20.940 | We veered way far away from it.

01:28:23.860 | It's taken us a lot of courage to get back to that place where now you can actually let

01:28:32.220 | that guiding document govern a highly meritocratic country.

01:28:38.380 | So it's gonna be a lot of hard work, but my gosh, it's just an incredible moment and opportunity.

01:28:44.340 | Everybody should just take a breath and remember that.

01:28:46.980 | - I'd just like to do a quick survey of some of the local and state elections and get some

01:28:51.500 | reactions.

01:28:52.500 | I want to talk a little bit about what's going on in San Francisco and California.

01:28:55.100 | I'll just hit on it.

01:28:57.660 | My friend Daniel Lurie, it looks like he's gonna be the mayor of San Francisco, beating

01:29:02.220 | out the incumbent mayor, London Breed.

01:29:05.580 | Daniel ran on a moderate platform and has an intention of fixing a lot of the operations

01:29:13.820 | and inefficiencies in the San Francisco government, which has seen a ballooning in budget.

01:29:18.060 | San Francisco has the highest budget per capita of any city in the United States, I think

01:29:21.660 | 50% higher than New York, with a lower functioning kind of set of municipal services.

01:29:27.900 | And there's a lot of opportunity for improvement there.

01:29:29.680 | This is the first time, really important stat, first time an outsider has been elected mayor

01:29:34.100 | in San Francisco since 1911.

01:29:37.180 | Every mayor elected since 1911 in San Francisco was an existing government employee or government

01:29:44.260 | civil servant.

01:29:45.500 | So just like what we saw in the federal elections, we are seeing an outsider being placed in

01:29:49.660 | mayoral office in San Francisco.

01:29:50.660 | >>Corey Berg, I wished Lurie a hearty congratulations.

01:29:54.140 | Nick, can you show him the tweet?

01:29:57.020 | >>Your city has become a dangerous, dirty dumpster fire for bad ideas from libs.

01:30:00.860 | I hope you do the obvious and be on the side of cops, justice, clean streets, and meritocracy.

01:30:05.220 | That's your message to the incoming mayor.

01:30:07.060 | >>Well, yeah, I mean, he has been a major proponent.

01:30:11.740 | >>You were gonna run for mayor once, J. Cal?

01:30:14.500 | >>I was lobbied.

01:30:15.980 | I was approached.

01:30:16.980 | And I was given a lot of support, seven figures of support to go do it.

01:30:24.980 | It's a very hard job because the supervisors actually run the city.

01:30:28.860 | And a lot of the supervisors, like -- >>They got booted, too, no?

01:30:32.580 | Did they get booted?

01:30:33.580 | >>Yeah, a couple of them got booted.

01:30:34.580 | Dean Preston got booted.

01:30:35.580 | Dopey Dean.

01:30:36.580 | >>Dopey Dean.

01:30:37.580 | >>And Aaron Pesky.

01:30:38.580 | >>Dopey Dean.

01:30:39.580 | >>That was bad.

01:30:40.580 | >>So the board of supervisors has also shifted moderate.

01:30:42.580 | The mayor is now gonna be a moderate outsider.

01:30:45.340 | And there's a real opportunity to rebuild and reform San Francisco.

01:30:48.420 | It's a place that I've called home for 25 years.

01:30:50.780 | It's a place where I operate my business.

01:30:51.780 | >>It's a good start.

01:30:52.780 | >>And it feels like a lot of the citizens of what has historically been --

01:30:56.020 | >>I refuse to go to San Francisco.

01:30:57.020 | >>You don't have to.

01:30:58.020 | >>I still live there.

01:30:59.020 | >>I'll zoom.

01:31:00.020 | I'll zoom.

01:31:01.020 | >>Hold on.

01:31:02.020 | I still live there, and I do think that it was a big election in terms of improving things

01:31:03.780 | in San Francisco.

01:31:04.780 | So congrats to Daniel Lurie.

01:31:05.980 | He's a friend of mine, as well.

01:31:07.860 | Go down to L.A., another big race.

01:31:10.020 | We booted Gascogne, who was the Soros DA.

01:31:13.020 | >>Finally.

01:31:14.020 | >>Ruined San Francisco, and then failed his way up to L.A., was ruining L.A.

01:31:17.900 | And Nathan Hockman, who's moderate, beat him by something like 20 points.

01:31:23.020 | And then, like I mentioned, we got Prop 36 passed in California by about 70%, which reversed

01:31:29.220 | some of the excesses of Prop 47, which was the proposition a decade ago.

01:31:34.180 | That was passed by then-Lieutenant Governor Gavin Newsom and then-Attorney General Kamala

01:31:39.460 | Harris to, de facto, legalize shoplifting.

01:31:44.180 | So the people of California have had enough of these policies that, frankly, enable crime,

01:31:50.540 | enable homelessness, enable drug use, and they want a correction.

01:31:54.300 | Look, even wokes and blue-state liberals don't want their cars broken into.

01:31:59.540 | I mean, it's really -- >>Shocking.

01:32:01.540 | >>It's really simple.

01:32:03.060 | >>I mean, the crazy thing in Los Angeles with Gascogne was a number of people who I know

01:32:07.820 | live there, now know people in Santa Monica, in Brentwood, in Bel-Air, where we lived for

01:32:13.340 | so many years, Sax, have home invasions have started again.

01:32:17.700 | I mean, that is like a real breaking point for people.

01:32:20.540 | >>It's scary.

01:32:21.540 | It's real scary.

01:32:22.540 | >>It's scary to have your home broken into by a gang.

01:32:23.980 | >>Right.

01:32:24.980 | And, you know, one final point on this is that while the people of California resoundingly,

01:32:31.660 | again, over 70% supported Prop 36, there was one prominent figure who was opposed to it,

01:32:37.100 | which was Gavin Newsom.

01:32:38.100 | He said, when he saw early polling, "I don't know what state I'm living in."

01:32:42.260 | So, you know, look, the state we're living in, Gavin, is the one that you created.

01:32:47.300 | You're the one who gave us these policies.

01:32:48.860 | You're the one who gave us Prop 47.

01:32:50.460 | You're the one who gave us zero bail.

01:32:52.180 | You're the one who allowed the Democratic Party in California to be taken over by Soros

01:32:56.140 | DAs.

01:32:57.140 | You've never resisted these policies.

01:32:58.860 | Now you have a choice.

01:33:00.060 | You can see where the people are at.

01:33:02.180 | Over 70% of California wants a change.

01:33:04.900 | I'd say, on the rest of the country, if it's 70% California, 90% of the United States must,

01:33:11.540 | you know, as opposed to these soft on crime policies.

01:33:13.860 | If you ever have aspirations to be anything more than governor of California, you better

01:33:17.980 | get on the right side of this issue.

01:33:19.820 | >>Sachs, David Sachs, should be the governor of California.

01:33:23.620 | >>Let's do it.

01:33:24.620 | >>No, I'm 100% serious.

01:33:27.100 | It's the fifth largest economy in the world.

01:33:30.860 | >>Let's do it.

01:33:31.860 | >>This is marked today as the day that I have decided that I'm going to convince David to

01:33:39.060 | be the governor of California.

01:33:40.060 | >>I know it is.

01:33:41.060 | >>Great campaign manager, press secretary for him.

01:33:43.700 | >>Hype man.

01:33:44.700 | >>I will say, I'll make a point on this.

01:33:46.380 | >>I'm just going to say that David Sachs would be an incredible governor of California.

01:33:49.060 | >>I'm not a candidate.

01:33:50.060 | I'm not a candidate.

01:33:51.060 | It's just a rumor.

01:33:52.060 | >>I understand.

01:33:53.060 | I understand, blah, blah, blah.

01:33:54.060 | >>Let's start the rumor right now.

01:33:55.060 | He's lying.

01:33:56.060 | He said it to me privately.

01:33:57.060 | >>There's no rumor.

01:33:58.060 | I'm just telling you right now that within two years, I will have convinced him to do

01:34:01.500 | it.

01:34:02.500 | It'll be the perfect time.

01:34:03.500 | Gavin Newsom has been terrible for the state.

01:34:06.220 | We have seen trillions of dollars of market cap exit the state in terms of corporations

01:34:11.540 | that have left.

01:34:13.060 | We have gone from record surpluses to record deficits.

01:34:16.740 | We have an education system that is failing millions of kids.

01:34:20.440 | What is going on here?

01:34:22.420 | We have taxes that are through the roof.

01:34:25.060 | And when you spend more and more and more to get less and less and less, and it takes

01:34:31.140 | more and more out of everybody's pocket, what is the answer?

01:34:35.580 | The answer is you have to fundamentally change everything that's happening from first principles.

01:34:39.700 | >>Well, I will say one more point about, I will call it balance in the force.

01:34:47.140 | When a party is captured and moves too far in one direction, people leave the party and

01:34:52.620 | they vote for the other party.

01:34:54.700 | And then in order to attract people back to the party, they tack to the center.

01:35:00.380 | My big prediction over the next few years is you will see a more centrist Democratic

01:35:04.500 | party as they try and...

01:35:06.300 | >>I'll take the other side.

01:35:07.300 | >>And they try and attract their troops back.

01:35:09.700 | >>I'll take the other side.

01:35:11.180 | >>So one more topic before we wrap, guys.

01:35:12.740 | >>I'll see Sachs in Sacramento.

01:35:14.060 | See Sachs in Sacramento.

01:35:15.060 | >>Not gonna happen.

01:35:16.060 | Not gonna happen.

01:35:17.060 | >>Guys, before we wrap, there's one other topic that came up in every conversation I

01:35:20.780 | had with everyone about Trump that was a female, which was abortion.

01:35:25.300 | And it was, and look, I don't want to rehash again that it was misrepresented what Trump's

01:35:29.140 | position is, but abortion has become a very sensitive topic.

01:35:32.420 | A woman's right to do what she wants to do with her body when she wants to do it is something

01:35:38.060 | that most women feel they are very deeply endowed with, and that should be an unalienable

01:35:44.060 | right, particularly in the United States of America, and that even sending this back to

01:35:48.100 | states and states voting on it creates a significant emotional response that drives folks to one

01:35:53.460 | party or the other.

01:35:54.700 | In Florida, voters rejected an abortion extension to 24 weeks.

01:35:59.620 | Florida previously had a 15-week abortion ban, but the current six-week ban took effect

01:36:04.320 | in May.

01:36:05.320 | So the amendment that was being proposed on the ballot this week would have codified abortion

01:36:10.700 | procedures up to 24 weeks in the state constitution, but it needed 60 percent of the votes to pass,

01:36:16.340 | but it only got 57 percent.

01:36:18.660 | So it looks like a loss for pro-choice advocates.

01:36:22.780 | Sax, what is going to happen now that these abortion laws are being voted on, these amendments

01:36:27.380 | to state constitutions are being voted on, how is this going to reshape American politics,

01:36:32.660 | and how are the parties going to shift in the years ahead, given how important and how

01:36:36.420 | sensitive this topic has become after the decision of the Supreme Court recently?

01:36:41.900 | Look, I think that what you're seeing in the last election that we just had is the beginning

01:36:47.700 | of the end of the salience of this issue.

01:36:49.940 | I mean, abortion has been an issue that has deeply fragmented America for 50 years.

01:36:54.740 | I mean, the pro-choice versus pro-life movements have been a staple of American politics, talking

01:37:00.460 | past each other.

01:37:01.460 | They were never able to get to any sort of compromise.

01:37:04.020 | With the repeal of Roe v. Wade, with the Dobbs decision, the issue has now been thrown back

01:37:07.540 | to the states, and every state is working it out for themselves.

01:37:11.140 | And in most states, what's happening is it's either the pro-choice totally wins or they

01:37:16.460 | compromise on some number of weeks.

01:37:18.780 | I think that in Florida, going for 24 weeks might have been a little bit too many.

01:37:22.340 | If they had tried to go back to 15, you know, they probably could have gotten there.

01:37:25.380 | They probably could have gotten from 57 to 60.

01:37:28.200 | But that's what the debate's going to be about now, is just basically in red states, it's

01:37:31.820 | just going to be about agreeing on a certain number of weeks.

01:37:34.340 | Blue states are pretty much going to be pro-choice.

01:37:37.420 | And you can see that the federal level, no one wants to touch this anymore.

01:37:40.500 | J. Cal, you raised the point during the election cycle, during the campaign, that Dobbs would

01:37:45.060 | be crushing for Trump, and that women were going to turn out in droves for Harris on

01:37:50.580 | the base of this issue.

01:37:51.780 | That simply did not happen.

01:37:53.580 | If you look at voter turnout, Trump increased his share of the women's vote.

01:37:58.260 | He did lose college-educated women.

01:38:00.020 | So that subset of, call it more progressive, yeah, sorry, college-educated.

01:38:03.660 | But the older women too, I think, came out, yeah.

01:38:06.420 | But if you look at women as a whole, he won more of their votes.

01:38:09.160 | So how did Trump inoculate himself on this issue?

01:38:11.900 | He made it really clear.

01:38:12.900 | He was not in favor of a national ban.

01:38:15.380 | He said that he favored the exceptions, and that it was now up to the states.

01:38:19.300 | He basically assured the country, the women of the country, that, again, that abortion

01:38:24.100 | would not be banned, and that was now a local issue.

01:38:26.980 | And I think the voters of the country, including women, accepted that, and it is now a state

01:38:31.220 | issue.

01:38:32.220 | So-

01:38:33.220 | So Maryland, Missouri-

01:38:34.220 | I think it's gone.

01:38:35.220 | Yeah.

01:38:36.220 | Maryland, Missouri, Nevada, Montana, Colorado, Arizona, all voted to codify the right to

01:38:39.940 | abortion and remove abortion bans.

01:38:42.180 | On the other hand, Nebraska voted for a ban on abortions after the first trimester, and

01:38:46.300 | South Dakota voted against a right to abortion.

01:38:49.680 | So South Dakota prohibits all abortions except when necessary to save the woman's life.

01:38:54.540 | You're gonna end up, listen, even in deep red states like Ohio, the pro-choice forces

01:38:58.900 | have won these referenda.

01:39:01.220 | It's just a handful of cases, like a very small number, where the pro-life have gotten

01:39:06.140 | their way.

01:39:07.140 | Again, I think we're at the tail end of this being a salient issue in American politics.

01:39:11.700 | I think Trump has ended it as a federal issue, and it's now going state by state.

01:39:17.020 | And in most of those states, the pro-choice forces are winning.

01:39:19.420 | I think this issue is over, and I think it's over because Republicans know not to touch

01:39:24.220 | this.

01:39:25.220 | Jay Kal, you've said it's one of the most important issues of the day several times

01:39:28.340 | in the past.

01:39:29.340 | You said women were gonna vote in droves for Kamala because of the perception that Trump

01:39:32.300 | was trying to pass a federal abortion ban.

01:39:34.260 | I think a lot of them did, clearly, but not enough to swing the election, and it's going

01:39:40.740 | to be...

01:39:41.740 | Do you think it's gonna be...

01:39:42.740 | I mean, to the question, is Sachs right?

01:39:43.940 | Is this gonna stop being an issue, and it's now codified in state law, or is this gonna

01:39:49.380 | continue to be a lynchpin in American law?

01:39:50.380 | I think it's gonna...

01:39:51.380 | There will be states where women will not be able to get an abortion, sadly, and they

01:39:53.580 | will not be able to make that decision for themselves.

01:39:55.940 | That's my personal belief.

01:39:56.940 | They should be able to make the decision for themselves.

01:39:58.220 | I'd like to stay out of it.

01:40:00.220 | But Sachs is largely right that if you don't...

01:40:03.620 | If I'm reading it correctly, think about it, if you're a state and you ban abortion, who's

01:40:08.260 | gonna wanna live there?

01:40:09.260 | You're gonna have a lot of people leaving, and that's been an issue here in Texas.

01:40:12.420 | A lot of companies are having a hard time with not only getting women to move here to

01:40:16.580 | work at specific companies in Texas, but men are well or not are citing it as a concern.

01:40:23.460 | So it's going to make it really untenable for an economy in the United States.

01:40:27.540 | You're saying men don't wanna work for Tesla or SpaceX because of abortions?

01:40:32.260 | I have heard many stories about people not wanting to come work at companies in Texas

01:40:37.000 | because of this law, yes.

01:40:39.100 | I have heard that from employers.

01:40:40.360 | I'm not talking about any of Elon's companies, I don't speak for him, obviously.

01:40:45.060 | But this has been an issue for companies in Texas.

01:40:47.460 | Okay.

01:40:48.460 | Guys, this has been a fantastic follow-up to this week's election.

01:40:52.900 | I know some people are bitterly disappointed, frustrated, angry, and sad about the future

01:40:57.300 | of America, and others are deeply optimistic and excited.

01:41:01.000 | And I think at the end of the day, it's all gonna be okay.

01:41:04.200 | And I really do hope that everyone can kind of have constructive conversations about the

01:41:08.740 | future we'd all like to build together.

01:41:10.460 | Like we do here.

01:41:12.700 | And I really appreciate the friendship with you guys.

01:41:14.980 | I wanna say congratulations to Sachs and Chamath for putting yourselves out there as early

01:41:18.780 | as you did in campaigning and promoting Donald Trump.

01:41:21.860 | I think you guys had a very influential role in moving people.

01:41:26.780 | For the effort you made and the outcome, congratulations.

01:41:29.660 | More than...

01:41:30.660 | Listen, I'll say what I said again.

01:41:32.560 | He's a good human being.

01:41:33.940 | I would encourage you to get to know him.

01:41:36.620 | Yeah.

01:41:37.620 | Just that.

01:41:38.620 | Take a piece, folks.

01:41:39.620 | Well, look, if he wants to invite me tomorrow to have a veggie burger and fries, I'm there.

01:41:43.180 | I will hang out.

01:41:44.180 | Yeah.

01:41:45.180 | What?

01:41:46.180 | No veggie burgers?

01:41:47.180 | What are you talking about?

01:41:48.180 | Yeah.

01:41:49.180 | See you before you go.

01:41:50.180 | It's my best advice.

01:41:51.180 | Oh, yeah.

01:41:52.180 | I forgot.

01:41:53.180 | We're gonna ban veggie burgers.

01:41:54.180 | They ban fake meat in Florida.

01:41:55.180 | I already texted Bobby to ban anything with soy lecithin.

01:41:56.180 | Yeah, I know.

01:41:57.180 | I know.

01:41:58.180 | Carganine and xanthan gum.

01:41:59.180 | All of your...

01:42:00.180 | All that stuff is verboten.

01:42:01.180 | But don't worry.

01:42:02.180 | Bears on the menu.

01:42:03.180 | Vegans better learn to find natural sources of protein, because the unnatural sources...

01:42:07.300 | The free market Republicans have decided it's time to go in and ban the market for fake

01:42:11.660 | meat, because, my God, we can't introduce fake meat.

01:42:14.340 | We have to tell you what to eat and what to do.

01:42:16.060 | Well, not unless xanthan gum continues to dysregulate your physiology.

01:42:18.980 | Xanthan.

01:42:19.980 | Xanthan gum.

01:42:20.980 | Stop using your moderator privileges to push your agenda, Free Bird.

01:42:23.980 | Take care, guys.

01:42:24.980 | I love you.

01:42:25.980 | I love you, guys.

01:42:26.980 | Bye-bye.

01:42:27.980 | Bye-bye.

01:42:28.980 | Love you, guys.

01:42:29.980 | Bye-bye.

01:42:30.980 | We'll let your winners ride.

01:42:31.980 | Rain Man David Sachs.

01:42:33.980 | I'm going all in.

01:42:35.980 | And it said we open sourced it to the fans and they've just gone crazy with it.

01:42:39.980 | Love you, Weston.

01:42:40.980 | The queen of quinoa.

01:42:42.980 | I'm going all in.

01:42:43.980 | What your winners like? What your winners like?

01:42:46.980 | I'm a great teacher.

01:42:48.980 | Besties are gone.

01:42:50.980 | That's my dog taking a notice in your driveway, Sachs.

01:42:54.980 | Oh, man.

01:42:57.980 | My avatar will meet me at Woodson.

01:42:59.980 | We should all just get a room and just have one big huge orgy 'cause they're all just useless.

01:43:03.980 | It's like this like sexual tension that they just need to release somehow.

01:43:07.980 | Wet the beat.

01:43:09.980 | Wet your beat.

01:43:12.980 | We need to get merch.

01:43:13.980 | Besties are back.

01:43:14.980 | I'm going all in.

01:43:16.980 | I'm going all in.

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