back to indexAll-In Summit: MrBeast on his journey, business model, and the future
Chapters
0:0 Besties welcome Jimmy Donaldson to AIS!
2:24 Jimmy's story and elements of success
8:21 The mission
12:10 MrBeast as a new kind of studio
15:6 Beast Philanthropy
15:48 The business model
26:17 The content creator community
30:48 Audience Q&A
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I mean, everybody's sending it to their kids as we speak. 00:00:43.600 |
Do your fans have like a name, like Beasties or something? 00:00:53.200 |
So I think everybody, all of you guys know Jimmy. 00:00:58.080 |
I hate when people describe me in front of me, but go for it. 00:01:00.640 |
Jimmy started YouTubing when he was 13 years old. 00:01:12.480 |
10,000 hours at something, and there's a Steph Curry outcome, 00:01:16.440 |
there's a LeBron James outcome, and there's a Jimmy Donaldson 00:01:23.240 |
He starts iterating, iterating, iterating at 16. 00:01:26.680 |
I don't know, 2016 or so, he had like 30,000 followers, 00:01:31.600 |
Kept tweaking, putting in the thousands and thousands 00:01:34.280 |
of hours, stumbled into college for two weeks, stumbled out. 00:01:39.880 |
And then fast forward now a decade since he started this, 00:01:44.000 |
he's basically the most followed human on Earth 00:01:53.280 |
he's basically the top two or three most followed people 00:02:06.320 |
So when he launches videos noon Eastern time on Saturdays 00:02:11.320 |
every two weeks, if you're not watching them, 00:02:14.520 |
probably people you know, definitely your kids, 00:02:40.680 |
So what happened when you showed up and you're like, hey, mom, 00:02:44.000 |
I've been streaming secretly and I have these followers? 00:02:49.520 |
is you should encourage your kids to have hobbies 00:02:54.680 |
My mom thought it was crazy that I was talking 00:02:57.680 |
So I ended up just lying, like, oh, it was a joke. 00:03:00.200 |
I just have a friend I'm talking to every night online 00:03:04.560 |
And then once I hit 10,000 subscribers, I told her, 00:03:16.760 |
Where did the idea for all these spectacles originate from? 00:03:28.600 |
want to get hypothetically 100 million views on a video, 00:03:31.120 |
the easiest way is to do something cool no one's 00:03:44.400 |
It's 40 hours long, but the retention's two minutes. 00:03:47.720 |
And you look like-- how old were you at that? 00:03:52.840 |
So I just started because I didn't have money. 00:04:00.040 |
But it's funny because it's like, look at this idiot. 00:04:07.840 |
I mean, most videos probably have like $5 RPM, so $150,000. 00:04:13.200 |
OK, so you launched this thing and then it starts to go. 00:04:17.120 |
Because it does become a bit of a hamster wheel. 00:04:20.920 |
Do you always feel this pressure to have to one-up yourself 00:04:31.680 |
I think people should change that saying to 10,000 days. 00:04:34.800 |
And I'm almost at my halfway point to 10,000 days. 00:04:36.880 |
I think that's how people should start looking at things. 00:04:38.840 |
Because to be honest, 10,000 hours is pretty easy. 00:04:48.040 |
We would get 100,000 views on a video, take the money, 00:04:52.520 |
And I've just reinvested the money for 14 years. 00:05:03.480 |
to seeing what happens if you put a Lamborghini 00:05:09.000 |
Well, you also seem to have some pretty good judgment, where 00:05:17.480 |
lead to people doing increasingly dangerous stunts, 00:05:25.160 |
Some other person was swinging somebody on a crane. 00:05:28.440 |
Maybe you could talk a little bit about restraint 00:05:30.760 |
and understanding, like, hey, even though this 00:05:33.320 |
is going to get a lot of views, and maybe some 00:05:41.600 |
So how do you know when a conversation and some 00:05:53.400 |
The thing is, obviously, there's a lot of things 00:05:57.040 |
people do that they know will get views because of outrage, 00:06:00.680 |
But if you're trying to build a long-term brand, 00:06:02.760 |
you don't want to just constantly piss people off 00:06:06.760 |
So the real answer is you just got to not go, 00:06:12.560 |
that isn't just going to get views because they're 00:06:27.440 |
all these young people dynamically running around, 00:06:31.560 |
When I saw it, I was like, this is a tech startup. 00:06:37.080 |
Why did you think you could pull this off there? 00:06:47.280 |
to do to keep up with growing and making the videos. 00:06:49.520 |
So you just kind of blink, and 10 goes to 20 employees, 00:06:58.960 |
and whatever their job is to try to do this with you? 00:07:04.000 |
Most people-- it's a lot of convincing, to be honest. 00:07:27.480 |
the next you're going to figure out how to send me 00:07:38.440 |
Well, that's actually a feature in some ways, right? 00:07:40.880 |
Which is how Silicon Valley used to work, by the way. 00:07:46.840 |
that there are people that want work-life balance 00:07:52.440 |
aren't willing to commit the way you're willing to commit? 00:07:56.880 |
I'm still trying to figure out, to be 100% honest. 00:08:01.040 |
to move out of the middle of nowhere in North Carolina. 00:08:03.280 |
Don't recommend it, building a big company in a small city. 00:08:09.960 |
So you consider maybe moving it to Los Angeles or something 00:08:14.560 |
like a decent-sized city would probably be more optimal. 00:08:27.680 |
Having spoken to you a bunch, I get the sense 00:08:30.280 |
that you're on this kind of insatiable journey. 00:08:47.720 |
from the first thing they did all the way through to today. 00:08:57.480 |
Every week, you've got some new record-breaking 24-hour video 00:09:04.640 |
And help just frame for the audience, for everyone, 00:09:13.600 |
Obviously, if you buy an Android phone, YouTube's pre-installed, 00:09:22.280 |
I mean, billions of people use it on a monthly basis. 00:09:24.440 |
And so being big on YouTube, we get 100 million views 00:09:47.260 |
that I spent 14 years of my life just studying 00:09:49.360 |
how to make the most optimal videos, what type of content 00:09:54.840 |
And YouTube just so happens to be such a big platform. 00:09:57.100 |
And so it's pretty nice, because now, like they've been saying, 00:10:00.520 |
we're getting around a billion views a month. 00:10:05.760 |
Well, recently, we started getting into selling-- 00:10:09.940 |
Well, we started getting into selling some CPG products. 00:10:13.960 |
And it's nice, because the same people who I would take 00:10:16.800 |
pictures with in Walmart, when they see our product there, 00:10:19.160 |
they're like, oh, it's the guy from YouTube, and they'll buy it. 00:10:25.960 |
is great, because you just put things on a shelf, 00:10:28.920 |
And it's much easier than doing something complicated. 00:10:42.600 |
The other thing that I find just extraordinary 00:10:45.220 |
about your business is you're essentially built Walmart 00:10:50.400 |
Any brand you decide to build will immediately 00:10:59.040 |
Zero marketing costs, but also zero distribution costs. 00:11:02.040 |
That can go one of two ways, with the Mr. Beast Burger-- 00:11:11.520 |
And then with the Feastables stuff, you nailed it. 00:11:15.760 |
So maybe you could tell us the lessons from each of those 00:11:24.760 |
I mean, kind of like I said, you just put it on a shelf, 00:11:29.200 |
I mean, you want to ask me something more specific? 00:11:34.520 |
Be honest about the insane amount of product development 00:11:42.280 |
I think that's what's missing for a lot of people. 00:11:44.560 |
Well, no, and then my point was, Mr. Beast Burger, 00:11:57.520 |
OK, let's just admit those last few questions were shitty. 00:12:04.160 |
All right, let's go back to the two smarter people here. 00:12:11.600 |
I better get onto a new topic here real quick. 00:12:21.720 |
elaborate in the production values and in the storytelling. 00:12:29.880 |
that looked monumental logistically to pull off, 00:12:33.680 |
and in terms of set design and every other way. 00:12:37.120 |
I mean, I guess tell us more about what goes into that. 00:12:39.720 |
And what I'm kind of hearing from you with the 250 people 00:12:43.560 |
you have working, you've built this whole town, 00:12:48.240 |
like back in Hollywood, like Warner Brothers back 00:12:57.600 |
Like we heard Gwyneth saying that most of her time 00:13:01.560 |
It doesn't sound like that's what's going on with you. 00:13:03.800 |
So you're back to kind of the original studio system. 00:13:10.680 |
what we can or can't do, or the distribution or anything. 00:13:15.680 |
So we just make whatever videos we think will be viral. 00:13:17.960 |
And obviously, we have the direct connection. 00:13:20.560 |
And so the big thing is, like, obviously, YouTube, 00:13:23.800 |
at the moment, you don't make that much from ad revenue. 00:13:26.120 |
So to do these big multimillion dollar videos, 00:13:31.160 |
and other products that generate revenue on the back end 00:13:33.440 |
is why we're able to do that and other people aren't. 00:13:38.560 |
if you get 100 million views on a video, the RPM's $5. 00:13:44.320 |
people aren't able to do these big budget spectacles 00:13:51.720 |
And so it's like the beauty is creating the model where 00:13:54.720 |
we turn around and we use that to sell products, 00:13:56.760 |
sell a couple hundred million of that a year, 00:13:58.360 |
and then we use that to put it back into the content. 00:14:00.600 |
Is there pressure to tone down, like, the consumerism 00:14:24.440 |
Like, the last thing we did was I ordered pizza 00:14:32.680 |
I actually ordered two pizzas, one from Domino's 00:14:35.600 |
And the guy who got there first got the house. 00:14:41.640 |
I think, like, no, but didn't you do something-- 00:14:45.820 |
Yeah, it would help the 1,000 blind people see. 00:14:49.800 |
Like, 10 Karens got upset, and it was like, really? 00:14:53.560 |
think what I'm doing is good and helping people, like-- 00:14:59.480 |
Of course, some subsection is going to be mad. 00:15:05.320 |
it's just inevitable that people will be unhappy. 00:15:07.120 |
There's a piece of your business that actually many people 00:15:09.840 |
probably don't know about outside the commercial part, 00:15:13.680 |
Do you want to tell people about the size of the food bank 00:15:18.520 |
So I just-- I feel we're talking about it myself, 00:15:23.560 |
and then made a YouTube channel where, you know, 00:15:25.880 |
whatever we do with the money from the charity, we film it. 00:15:28.400 |
So then it generates revenue on the back end. 00:15:33.600 |
And so it's just kind of a cycle where we upload a video a week, 00:15:36.440 |
and we were able to build a couple of food banks 00:15:48.000 |
Do you want to talk about the business model in the future? 00:15:55.440 |
And that goal is essentially just maximize growth. 00:16:02.640 |
And as J. Cal said, build distribution and direct it 00:16:16.880 |
the reason we started with chocolate is, obviously, 00:16:21.160 |
been any major chocolate company that has spawned up. 00:16:30.280 |
and it's kind of boring, and no one really cares. 00:16:36.080 |
to get people to download an app to buy a physical product. 00:16:38.540 |
But it's just kind of perfect because the shelf space never 00:16:47.160 |
How big is that business for you, can you say? 00:17:16.680 |
What do you think about the success of Prime? 00:17:25.760 |
I heard you can build a million revenue, right? 00:17:34.520 |
tens of millions of kids, or at least millions of kids, 00:17:36.800 |
would be so enthusiastic about a sports stream. 00:17:41.360 |
created, like kids literally collect Prime bottles, 00:17:46.080 |
their collection of drink bottles that are like $3. 00:17:48.880 |
Raise your hand if you've got kids that do that. 00:17:52.160 |
I mean, so Prime was great because obviously it's 00:17:55.560 |
a beverage, and the more shelf space you get, 00:18:01.080 |
they created where just kids felt cool drinking it, 00:18:04.160 |
and to the point where they would buy a 12 pack for like 00:18:06.520 |
$15, and then sell them for like $6 a bottle at their school, 00:18:09.880 |
which is like something that happens in almost every school 00:18:12.520 |
It's crazy, still to this day after like a year and a half. 00:18:15.480 |
One of the things that I think if you taste Prime 00:18:24.840 |
Where's your thinking on like the line between nutrition 00:18:29.040 |
versus just tastes good for the products you have 00:18:35.640 |
That's why our chocolate, we only use four ingredients, 00:18:39.240 |
Because obviously, since we have this much influence, 00:18:44.160 |
whatever we sell needs to be better than what's 00:18:46.080 |
currently on the shelf, or then it's just a net negative. 00:18:48.640 |
Better for you, higher quality ingredients, et cetera. 00:18:50.880 |
So yeah, I mean, in a nutshell, that's kind of how I view it. 00:19:06.960 |
funny enough, we started selling dark chocolate, 00:19:09.000 |
which 65% of kids in America don't even like. 00:19:11.080 |
So that was kind of dumb, but I didn't know any better. 00:19:13.960 |
So I mean, the simplest thing is do milk chocolate, which 00:19:16.640 |
is what we're getting into, and then just going down 00:19:20.280 |
and maximizing chocolate, like doing Reese's Cups 00:19:24.560 |
So past chocolate, I haven't really thought about it, 00:19:27.100 |
because that's basically all I'm thinking about for next year. 00:19:30.000 |
Do you think the candy business can be a billion dollar revenue 00:19:41.240 |
people spend $25 billion a year on chocolate. 00:19:58.000 |
to do things outside of the Mr. Beast realm, Hollywood, et 00:20:02.920 |
How do you sort through all the inbound opportunities 00:20:12.460 |
That's why we are where we are is because we just 00:20:15.120 |
laser focus on one thing for essentially my entire life. 00:20:21.640 |
And then, yeah, because it's like, obviously, 00:20:29.400 |
it's just like that's been my obsession for the last 14 00:20:37.120 |
Even simple things like when you click on a video, 00:20:44.520 |
because not everyone has their phone screen brightness turned 00:20:46.920 |
You did something with your mouth being open or closed 00:20:49.320 |
in the thumbnail and it changed click-throughs. 00:20:52.360 |
Well, the problem is whatever I do, a bunch of other people do. 00:20:55.360 |
And I started opening my mouth in my thumbnails. 00:21:00.480 |
And I was like, OK, we're not doing this anymore. 00:21:06.640 |
So every two weeks, how much money goes into that video? 00:21:09.840 |
I think right now it's around $2.5 million per video. 00:21:15.660 |
I mean, I don't think it's that crazy, though, 00:21:17.520 |
because they're getting like 100 million views in seven days. 00:21:20.280 |
So if any other medium outside of social media 00:21:29.400 |
Do you expect that the video that you created, 00:21:32.600 |
the Olympic games thing you did a few weeks ago, in five years, 00:21:41.800 |
Usually, whenever we upload a piece of content, 00:21:43.760 |
we'll get a couple million views a month for-- 00:21:47.320 |
But obviously, eventually, it'll probably die off. 00:21:50.960 |
Because right now, because we have the model where 00:21:53.720 |
we're making money outside of YouTube so I can spend more, 00:21:55.600 |
it's like you have this video that's $2.5 million budget, 00:22:04.480 |
And then how do you think about just the axis of going 00:22:17.720 |
And I assume a lot of you guys here are content creators. 00:22:20.880 |
And the crazy part is only 10% of the world speaks English. 00:22:25.720 |
it's pretty hard to obviously reach most of the world, 00:22:31.200 |
So if you dub your videos, hire voice actors or whatever, 00:22:36.320 |
And so right now, over half the people that watch my videos 00:22:38.720 |
don't even speak English, which is pretty crazy. 00:22:48.320 |
that the footprint of the top creators on YouTube 00:22:54.120 |
Are they deeply involved in communicating with you? 00:22:57.280 |
Or are they just like, hey, we're a platform. 00:23:03.600 |
I mean, I kind of like it because then no one 00:23:05.520 |
can say there's favoritism or they're helping us in any way. 00:23:10.840 |
people were getting 10 million views a video. 00:23:14.480 |
And their lifecycle would be like a year, and they'd fall off. 00:23:18.320 |
I don't really know how we ended up getting this big. 00:23:25.200 |
and I'd like to cut a deal with you to hit these numbers 00:23:29.440 |
They'd be like, well, then everyone's going to want that. 00:23:37.920 |
Because no one's forcing me to spend this much money. 00:23:42.000 |
Technically, most people don't spend hardly any money. 00:23:46.640 |
Microsoft started stealing away some YouTubers and folks 00:23:54.880 |
Well, the problem is, like I said at the start, 00:23:58.720 |
So it's like, sure, you can get a little bit of money. 00:24:02.620 |
can get a billion views a month for 10 years, 00:24:05.640 |
whatever, the amount of brands we could build is insane. 00:24:16.160 |
where you can upload a video in different languages. 00:24:18.320 |
So if someone clicks my video in Mexico, I'll speak Spanish. 00:24:21.440 |
Whereas if you click it in America, I'll speak English. 00:24:24.800 |
Yeah, well, they've rolled it out to other people. 00:24:26.880 |
On TikTok, Facebook, no other platform can you do that. 00:24:29.080 |
So YouTube's the only place right now where you can 00:24:35.560 |
Because they're working on an automatic version, I was told. 00:24:41.480 |
But of course, at some time in the near future, 00:24:45.360 |
We get hit up about that all the time for the all-important 00:24:47.960 |
Right now, I've trained a ton of different voice models. 00:24:51.480 |
But it is obviously getting better very quickly. 00:24:53.680 |
Have you published any to see what the viewership looks like? 00:24:59.160 |
And it's usually-- so if it's a one-minute video, 00:25:02.240 |
and the retention with normal voice actors is 45 seconds, 00:25:08.360 |
So the retention isn't as bad as you would think, 00:25:27.040 |
And then if you use AI dubbing, it's even worse. 00:25:29.840 |
I think video games are six times the revenue for movies 00:25:36.800 |
I've got to assume folks have approached you. 00:25:38.280 |
And how do you think about the video game industry? 00:25:48.800 |
And then I was like, I'd rather sell chocolate. 00:25:54.780 |
Because it's much easier just to tell people to download it. 00:25:57.080 |
Just click the link in the description and download it. 00:26:03.760 |
Making confectionery products is just so much more fun. 00:26:07.080 |
And 100 million people are walking to Walmart every month. 00:26:15.120 |
getting something in every retailer in America first. 00:26:19.920 |
is you've mentored younger content creators coming up. 00:26:26.260 |
are creating things that you think are interesting, 00:26:57.580 |
I think that no one cares about your guys' thumbnails. 00:27:00.220 |
I think the big thing is the value you guys provide 00:27:03.700 |
Should we not close our mouths now in thumbnails? 00:27:11.940 |
Especially for this age group, definitely close them. 00:27:17.140 |
There's something distinctly different about what you do. 00:27:23.700 |
We're trying to have a conversation, McLaughlin group-- 00:27:32.420 |
now will exceed what we're doing in podcasting, ultimately. 00:27:36.360 |
Because it does seem that people like to watch us and put it 00:27:44.380 |
To be honest, I remember when you first started it. 00:27:46.020 |
And I was like, oh, this is an interesting combo. 00:27:51.220 |
And whenever something weird in the world happens, 00:27:53.460 |
I'm like, oh, I'm going to go see what they think of it. 00:28:00.540 |
No, where do you think this is going to be in 20 years? 00:28:06.180 |
No, I mean, we have an idea where this is going. 00:28:08.220 |
I don't know where this would be in 20 days, I'll tell you. 00:28:10.300 |
Actually, to be honest, the only thing in front of us right now 00:28:16.500 |
A Priest Reading the Bible, and Serial Killer Podcast. 00:28:24.740 |
All podcasting, those are the three ahead of us. 00:28:31.100 |
do you feel pressure to elongate the content? 00:28:34.660 |
Or you feel like you've optimized now the amount of time 00:28:42.080 |
I think the problem is people are like, we waited two weeks, 00:28:46.380 |
And they actually get annoyed when it's too short. 00:28:54.020 |
don't like waiting two weeks for just 15 minutes of content. 00:28:59.220 |
And the problem is the spectacles are so big, 00:29:01.500 |
it's much easier just to make it longer than do a whole new one 00:29:05.580 |
So yeah, they're naturally getting longer and longer 00:29:08.360 |
I wonder if you did a behind the scenes on the off week 00:29:25.340 |
by another group of video editors on the off week, 00:29:29.700 |
The thing is, though, the mystery is part of what's cool. 00:29:32.180 |
How does this random YouTuber give a million dollars 00:29:34.420 |
away to someone on the street or things like that? 00:29:36.460 |
So part of it is them not knowing how it's even possible 00:29:43.660 |
Can you talk a little bit about the point of view 00:29:47.220 |
where folks say content creators on YouTube have an audience. 00:29:53.060 |
And how you've continued to be able to grow your audience. 00:29:56.300 |
Even though some of the folks you started with 00:29:58.540 |
The problem is there's no one size fits all advice. 00:30:04.420 |
And so obviously, if we're talking to someone who 00:30:06.900 |
unboxes toys, their audience is going to grow. 00:30:15.500 |
aren't going to be like, oh, my kid loves you. 00:30:19.660 |
But we try to make content that no matter what age you are, 00:30:38.060 |
We're going to take questions from the audience. 00:30:47.500 |
How do you stay consistent with executing so frequently? 00:30:51.380 |
I think that's the hardest thing for entrepreneurs. 00:30:55.420 |
So he asked, how do you stay so consistent with what? 00:31:05.300 |
He said, how do you be so consistent with execution, 00:31:09.900 |
So the thing is, you just have to obviously just train 00:31:15.100 |
eventually you're going to burn out, get different interests, 00:31:17.700 |
And so I actually-- my top people, I bought a house, 00:31:23.620 |
I just kind of trained them to think like me and see 00:31:26.820 |
And so my top probably 12 people, 95% of the time, 00:31:31.420 |
if you ask them something and ask me in different rooms, 00:31:44.180 |
Well, the thing is, if you want to build viewership 00:31:46.940 |
over time, if you want to go from 10 million to 20 million 00:31:50.460 |
you just have to get it where every time they show up, 00:31:55.260 |
It's like it was worth their time and investment. 00:31:57.340 |
So yeah, if something's not good and they click on it, 00:32:00.740 |
then they're less likely to click on future videos. 00:32:33.140 |
He would like to know how you're a normal person 00:32:36.380 |
and you stay so authentic given this incredible-- 00:32:49.940 |
Like, I don't really experience it that much. 00:32:53.460 |
How do you walk through an airport these days 00:33:01.460 |
I kept asking them, how are we going to get him 00:33:04.460 |
I don't understand how this is going to happen. 00:33:06.460 |
The thing is you throw a hood on and wear some glasses. 00:33:10.460 |
And you just don't talk out loud or anything like that. 00:33:15.460 |
All right, everybody, give it up for Jimmy Donaldson. 00:33:21.460 |
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That's my dog taking a noise in your driveway. 00:33:54.460 |
We should all just get a room and just have one big huge orgy