back to indexEric Weinstein: On the Nature of Good and Evil, Genius and Madness | Lex Fridman Podcast #134
Chapters
0:0 Introduction
2:16 Eddie Van Halen
9:56 Leonard Cohen
17:52 Battle between ego and humility
23:8 Darkness and beauty
29:50 Jimi Hendrix
32:38 Good Will Hunting
36:46 Revolutionary minds
48:19 Next Elon Musk should come from MIT
52:44 Love with save the world
58:0 Are we headed toward a civil war?
69:34 Joe Rogan
83:21 Our political leaders
88:41 Younger people should have more power
99:0 The Portal
123:50 Money
125:56 Roger Penrose
133:36 Jeffrey Epstein
152:14 We need to get off this planet
155:11 An update on Geometric Unity
161:3 Gratitude
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The following is a conversation with Eric Weinstein, 00:00:05.600 |
He is the wise turtle, master oogway to my Kung Fu Panda, 00:00:10.320 |
one of my favorite people to talk to in this world. 00:00:15.480 |
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And I would be a fool not to trust his judgment 00:02:11.280 |
And now here's my conversation with Eric Weinstein. 00:02:15.320 |
Who's the greatest musician of all time, would you say? 00:02:19.520 |
- We were just off camera talking about Eddie Van Halen. 00:02:33.680 |
- Okay, Jonathan Richman, the reason I'm picking on him 00:02:37.920 |
He was the front man of a group called the Modern Lovers. 00:02:51.240 |
And I thought that that quote was very interesting 00:02:55.440 |
"You have to be able to strip this thing down 00:02:58.800 |
to get to something that is intrinsically musical." 00:03:01.120 |
So we were having a conversation just now about virtuosity. 00:03:05.720 |
We're talking about Eddie Van Halen and his recent passing. 00:03:13.640 |
but I revered Eddie Van Halen's capacity for innovation. 00:03:18.640 |
I saw him like Rodney Mullin, the skateboarder. 00:03:23.600 |
I had dreamed of having the two of them on the same podcast 00:03:30.760 |
- And you posted a video of Spanish Fly, I think, 00:03:39.480 |
The arpeggios that he did on a single string are so fast, 00:03:52.080 |
was that I wanted to strip out the electronics, 00:03:58.000 |
and a lot of the innovations had to do with things 00:04:03.160 |
You know, his use of the whammy bar, for example, 00:04:05.840 |
or the Frankenstrat that he built from different pieces. 00:04:15.720 |
are just dwarfed by his innovation and his musicianship, 00:04:27.920 |
that let them know that there was a new force 00:04:54.640 |
the California highways, blasting some kind of music. 00:05:11.760 |
- How often do you have the chance, for example, 00:05:13.980 |
to hear mathematics performed, as you do in Bach? 00:05:17.560 |
Right, like something with that kind of precision 00:05:22.560 |
where, you know, to go back to Leonard Cohen's famous line, 00:05:34.240 |
individual verses of that song are insanely important. 00:05:43.360 |
We don't really understand what did we just do 00:05:46.640 |
that broke that person's heart sitting on the couch, right? 00:06:03.080 |
and suddenly somebody starts playing a guitar, 00:06:16.960 |
it just, you know, it wraps its fingers around your heart 00:06:22.020 |
Sometimes I talk about head, heart, and loins. 00:06:25.000 |
When something can grab your head, heart, and your loins 00:06:30.660 |
there are very few opportunities to live like that. 00:06:36.560 |
you know, as far as your head, the musical innovations, 00:06:49.640 |
is what somebody like Jimi Hendrix saw it as being, 00:06:56.720 |
In terms of heart, I always notice the smile on his face. 00:07:01.680 |
It's painful to look at an Eddie Van Halen solo now. 00:07:08.800 |
and you're like, that's gonna fucking kill you, 00:07:13.800 |
You're gonna rob, I don't even need to hear you 00:07:17.760 |
that you're in the world, that there is somebody 00:07:22.080 |
I've never heard a guitarist say, eh, I don't know, 00:07:28.360 |
You can hate him, but you still think he was a genius. 00:07:31.560 |
There are very few people like that in the world. 00:07:34.840 |
And then loins, those leaps, that guy was incredibly 00:07:41.320 |
super athleticism, he completely owned the sexuality, 00:07:50.360 |
sort of mythical alpha male, I hate that expression, 00:07:58.480 |
and you know, the sense that it all came together, 00:08:11.160 |
just, yeah, basically dreaming of being that kind of god, 00:08:15.280 |
the most perfect example of what a human being can be. 00:08:22.120 |
- It is, and then, you know, as in many of the cases 00:08:25.640 |
with these bands, you get these multiple talents 00:08:28.800 |
in the same outfit, and I think that the original 00:08:34.440 |
I mean, David Lee Roth is such a hot mess at all times. 00:08:38.160 |
- I would love you to talk to David Lee Roth. 00:08:41.600 |
Like, if the, that dance would be just gorgeous. 00:08:57.240 |
and very dysregulated, and I don't know that I could, 00:09:04.880 |
- Well, I can also get pretty dysregulated, you know? 00:09:08.160 |
- And so, I don't know, I don't know whether, 00:09:11.680 |
I don't know what you thought of his appearance on "Rogan," 00:09:15.680 |
- I loved it, but Joe, and Joe does this sometimes, 00:09:21.760 |
and he just lets the music play, which works really well. 00:09:26.600 |
I think you have a chance to kinda jump into the chaos. 00:09:31.560 |
- And then you'll just start, and the places you'll go, 00:09:37.520 |
It might just go to this, 'cause he, I think, 00:09:59.000 |
- Can we just, the things I feel when I listen to "Hallelujah" 00:10:03.440 |
by Leonard Cohen, or anything by him, really, 00:10:24.200 |
You're doing this alternation between the two chords, 00:10:30.440 |
one is called the tonic, or you have the major 00:10:35.440 |
and the relative minor, and he's alternating between them. 00:10:42.720 |
one of them would be more joyous, typically described. 00:10:46.800 |
And so by altering one note, it's the minimal amount 00:10:49.480 |
to take you back and forth between joy and happiness 00:10:54.840 |
So he starts off with, I heard there was a scene, 00:11:03.760 |
because he's using this technique called bathos, right? 00:11:10.280 |
and kind of the guttural or ridiculous or the mundane, right? 00:11:19.960 |
great song allows for different interpretations. 00:11:21.960 |
You happen to be asking me, so I'm gonna impart some stuff 00:11:24.440 |
that probably isn't in the song, but why it speaks to me, 00:11:29.000 |
The way I hear it is he doesn't believe the audience. 00:11:37.480 |
You're too cool to care, so I see through you and screw you. 00:11:46.480 |
It goes like this is where he should put the description 00:11:53.320 |
It goes like this, and then he hits the fourth 00:11:55.600 |
and the fifth, which are the two other major elements, 00:11:58.760 |
the subdominant and the dominant in functional harmony. 00:12:07.080 |
There's two ways this can come about in other songs. 00:12:10.240 |
We had this example of every time we say goodbye. 00:12:27.120 |
♪ But how strange the change from major to minor ♪ 00:12:48.360 |
Then what does he do with the lyrics in the tune? 00:12:56.960 |
And so the idea is like, oh, okay, that was a head fake. 00:13:34.560 |
- You're drinking lousy beer, some bad situation. 00:13:43.600 |
- I never thought of that song that way, wow. 00:13:49.320 |
If you think about it, contrast it with Ray Charles, 00:13:51.960 |
for example, you know, do you know "Lonely Avenue"? 00:14:08.040 |
but she's claiming that she's in great shape. 00:14:09.840 |
So she's like a good case of the unreliable narrator. 00:14:14.760 |
about the unreliable audience that's too cool 00:14:23.560 |
I think these are the games that musicians play 00:14:26.280 |
that the rest of us only sort of notice subliminally, okay? 00:14:36.920 |
he's giving you the secret, the baffled king. 00:14:39.680 |
In other words, he doesn't know why it works. 00:14:42.280 |
Did Pachelbel know why Pachelbel's Canon would work? 00:14:48.120 |
Like some music is discovered and some music is invented. 00:15:01.960 |
like there's two genius intellectual concepts behind music. 00:15:07.880 |
Usually we solve it for a one-dimensional medium 00:15:09.960 |
because we're talking about strings or air columns. 00:15:11.920 |
Occasionally you're talking about things like handpans 00:15:15.600 |
or steel drums or metallophones or gamelans, whatever. 00:15:19.200 |
And those have a wave equation too that's much more chaotic. 00:15:25.720 |
that two to the 19/12 is almost exactly equal to three, 00:15:31.920 |
And so the tension between those two things is in fact 00:15:39.240 |
that formula of the baffled king is a discovery. 00:15:50.640 |
and you started brushing off a pyramid under the sands. 00:15:57.600 |
by your brushing, but in fact somebody else did it. 00:16:04.840 |
As creating one of the greatest songs of all time 00:16:13.280 |
- And he, Leonard, is baffled is my contention. 00:16:15.680 |
But he knows enough to know that he's baffled. 00:16:33.000 |
that's totally dystopic and you will not like it at all, 00:16:47.480 |
- He says, "I'm the little Jew that wrote the Bible." 00:16:51.960 |
So there is this way in which Leonard Cohen, I think, 00:17:01.520 |
that you see Dylan doing this with all along the Watchtower. 00:17:04.480 |
You saw Warren Zeevon, who we should talk much more about, 00:17:07.920 |
doing this with a song called "I Was in the House 00:17:13.800 |
- Sweetheart, this is a great day to be alive. 00:17:16.520 |
Warren Zeevon is one of the most important songwriters 00:17:20.240 |
And he's been largely forgotten by this generation. 00:17:24.920 |
But Bob Dylan would sing one of his songs in tribute. 00:17:33.040 |
very small number of songwriters really move him. 00:17:35.240 |
Woody Guthrie, Gordon Lightfoot, and Warren Zeevon. 00:17:45.320 |
We need to get your voice into a new medium for a new group. 00:17:51.560 |
Honestly, you've been doing an amazing job in this space. 00:18:00.120 |
I've learned some things about what I don't do well. 00:18:03.240 |
And I also have sort of struggled with the question, 00:18:10.480 |
I always use the same example of the fitted sheet. 00:18:12.560 |
When you're trying to put a queen-size fitted sheet 00:18:17.760 |
And then you get another corner that pops off 00:18:26.840 |
I think it's just a recognition of a difference. 00:18:35.480 |
and making them accessible and presenting them as themselves 00:18:42.320 |
And I'd give my eye tooth to be able to do that. 00:18:49.160 |
what is the greatest conversation I'll ever have? 00:19:00.860 |
You may have already had it, but it's very possible. 00:19:03.720 |
If enough people like me can keep twisting your arm 00:19:09.180 |
that is, there'll be an amazing conversation. 00:19:12.100 |
And one of the questions that I ask myself is like, 00:19:16.060 |
who is the person that I'm especially equipped, 00:19:25.220 |
I can do this man better than anyone else in this world. 00:19:30.080 |
I got this thought in my head about it, I don't know why. 00:19:38.160 |
- The way I would say it is that almost everybody 00:19:44.980 |
they're going to become a Supreme Court justice. 00:19:53.740 |
well, I call it pathological self-confidence. 00:19:56.900 |
And I do think you have pathological self-confidence, 00:20:02.500 |
And most people would hear those as a contradiction. 00:20:05.580 |
I think that you would not be able to get away 00:20:07.420 |
with what you do if you didn't have the humility. 00:20:29.680 |
- My Mexican standoffs aren't as stable as yours. 00:20:36.220 |
- But actually, the person who that describes is Peter Thiel. 00:20:42.260 |
what does Peter think about X, Y, and Z, P, and Q? 00:20:44.260 |
It's like, well, do you want communist Peter? 00:20:51.580 |
is that he's got all these minds fighting each other. 00:20:53.740 |
And so when people say, Peter is this, or Peter is that, 00:21:07.180 |
there's also pathological epistemic humility. 00:21:14.820 |
Like, just, I know how little I can do in one life. 00:21:32.380 |
And if I'm only for myself, what am I, if not now, when? 00:21:45.220 |
and if I apply that to everyone else on the planet, 00:22:02.360 |
- Yeah, but it's multiple minds, like you said. 00:22:06.940 |
Like, this morning, I was feeling so good and confident 00:22:16.780 |
and nothing I've ever said is worth anything. 00:22:35.140 |
I was the baddest motherfucker who's ever walked this Earth. 00:22:41.780 |
I think it was the coffee, I'm not sure, maybe some sleep. 00:22:47.140 |
some of them being alcoholic, others containing caffeine. 00:22:49.980 |
- There's, in fact, I can't share the story behind it, 00:22:53.660 |
but there is a bottle of vodka in the fridge. 00:23:08.540 |
A few people asked about depression and suicide. 00:23:16.060 |
This is a Russian program, so we'll have to go there. 00:23:21.020 |
and one of the things that always kind of broke my heart 00:23:26.020 |
and kind of suffocated the hope I have for just, 00:23:44.500 |
I guess one way, I'm not sure where we can go 00:23:47.260 |
with this question, but do you think about the places 00:23:50.620 |
that the mind can go, like these dark places? 00:23:55.460 |
- Is there something, like, where the only escape out 00:24:00.140 |
is suicide, for example, that's the darkest version of it? 00:24:02.980 |
- That, I really think suicide is a big place, 00:24:14.220 |
It's a similar problem to trying to talk about trans. 00:24:19.260 |
and if the commonality is that somebody harms themselves, 00:24:39.780 |
There's too many different forms of self-harm, 00:24:43.620 |
and something like the 10th largest killer, thereabouts. 00:24:47.280 |
And I think that you can look at it from different angles. 00:24:52.820 |
I'm old enough to have had Pete Seeger come to my college 00:24:58.620 |
when I was at university, and to watch his good humor 00:25:06.440 |
I think of Odetta, I used to go to Odetta concerts, 00:25:13.580 |
Okay, this is gonna be one of the better days of your life. 00:25:15.580 |
Check out Odetta when we're done with the interview. 00:25:21.220 |
but also just had a profound voice, and great musicianship. 00:25:34.680 |
The thing is that you can take on the Weltschmerz, 00:25:41.780 |
the pain of the planet, or you can try to do something else, 00:26:02.760 |
and yet it's like Anthony Bourdain, the same. 00:26:11.460 |
and it could be, it's easy to say it's just biochemistry. 00:26:29.440 |
that genius and madness are always co-traveling, 00:26:32.220 |
or that beauty and pain are one and the same. 00:26:35.600 |
What you can say is that there's a cluster of people 00:26:40.280 |
there is a relationship between the darkness and the beauty. 00:26:47.980 |
We were just talking before about the inability 00:27:01.280 |
They're both perfect, they're not compatible. 00:27:03.660 |
And once you realize that there is perfection 00:27:07.980 |
and an inability to make contact with perfection, 00:27:21.540 |
- Yeah, that's weird with the poets and musicians. 00:27:26.920 |
You wanna say this is a particular thing that you do, 00:27:34.900 |
- Well, what do you get out of Spanish Fly by Van Halen? 00:27:37.940 |
I think it's very singular because of the fact 00:27:42.300 |
- For some reason, I couldn't imagine Eddie Van Halen 00:27:46.580 |
separate from the band in front of thousands of people 00:27:50.100 |
just screaming and rocking out with lights everywhere. 00:28:10.120 |
to where he got to without being a complete introvert. 00:28:20.020 |
hoping that they can do their thing together. 00:28:28.900 |
Because honestly, at some level, in one case, 00:28:33.380 |
maybe you're conquesting, maybe you're pursuing 00:28:37.800 |
you're talking about a relationship to the order, 00:28:43.500 |
you wanna call that substrate that is reality. 00:28:57.740 |
I don't think it's as good as differential geometry. 00:29:08.020 |
to communicate differential geometry at scale. 00:29:15.360 |
Do you want just the sheer majesty and pageantry? 00:29:28.660 |
completely precise that shows off the virtuosity 00:29:46.040 |
somebody who has OCD has always been a struggle. 00:29:50.620 |
I mean, let's have the Jimi Hendrix conversation. 00:30:23.520 |
And it doesn't, because I wanted to be the Russian virtuoso 00:30:27.760 |
that sits with his classical guitar in perfect form, 00:30:32.760 |
and then you want the thumb to be perfectly relaxed 00:30:37.120 |
- So that's the Russian conservatory student. 00:30:44.200 |
- Well, they're different Russian archetypes, right? 00:30:53.600 |
you know, I can do this backwards in any key, 00:31:03.080 |
We've discussed my piano tuner in previous episodes. 00:31:16.880 |
with the world's shittiest, it wasn't even an upright, 00:31:23.600 |
The piano fell out of tune and I would have to tune it. 00:31:27.520 |
And the only tuner I knew was this Russian guy 00:31:37.320 |
So we get the piano tuner to come and he's tuning this. 00:31:40.560 |
He's like, "Are you sure you wanna tune this piece of shit?" 00:31:47.240 |
The phone rings and I have the phone ringer set 00:32:02.000 |
and which is not the key that like Liszt composed 00:32:09.480 |
And he starts going into theme and variations 00:32:11.480 |
on Caprice 24 at some level I've never heard before, 00:32:20.600 |
I said, "I didn't know you were such a great piano player." 00:32:40.080 |
I'd love to hear actually your opinion on this. 00:32:41.560 |
It's reminiscent of the Goodwill hunting story. 00:33:00.120 |
I think probably the most accomplished group of people 00:33:10.900 |
- Ives was one of these people, Bill Gates, of course. 00:33:24.560 |
And Reed is like the weirdest, craziest college 00:33:27.700 |
People should pay much more attention to Reed. 00:33:29.200 |
And I'm sorry it's going through a hard time at the moment, 00:33:36.040 |
Irregardless, as we say in the 617 area code, 00:33:38.860 |
I think that a lot of my reaction is to the real story 00:33:52.500 |
trying to explore heart through this lens of acting. 00:33:57.500 |
And as you and I, you've hung out with comedians, 00:34:03.060 |
they know that they already screwed up a bunch of people. 00:34:11.800 |
The idea that Robin Williams, who I saw many years ago 00:34:14.360 |
when I was in LA in the comedy clubs around here, 00:34:18.000 |
he was a straight up crazy, disregulated genius 00:34:23.500 |
And his desire to do it earnestly through acting 00:34:34.940 |
or showing us how fast his mind worked relative to ours. 00:34:45.780 |
and took a huge risk for a comedian to be that real. 00:34:49.580 |
And again, like you said, it doesn't always have to be, 00:34:52.420 |
but in that case, the madness and the genius were neighbors. 00:35:11.940 |
because it gave him something to play against, right? 00:35:19.860 |
- But I actually, to me, the best Robin Williams 00:35:24.300 |
is as he got closer and closer to the end of his life, 00:35:36.220 |
like the weapons he has is this wit and humor 00:35:42.820 |
But, and then sometimes when you just fall silent, 00:35:48.300 |
And I don't know, there's something so beautiful about that. 00:36:01.700 |
a one hell of a podcast guest, I'll tell you that. 00:36:05.860 |
- Yeah, I have some sadness that I really do think 00:36:19.140 |
about depression and sadness and heavy feelings 00:36:27.080 |
Seeing that in context with the beauty of life 00:36:43.660 |
- A big scoop of ice cream with tons of depression. 00:36:51.580 |
And I think that part of it is that we don't know 00:37:09.940 |
And I'm positive that all of those answers are wrong. 00:37:13.120 |
- Let's try to at least sneak up on the good answer. 00:37:17.460 |
- So the central core of the answer is that the US 00:37:26.560 |
that we were getting a benefit from having no plan, 00:37:33.300 |
As long as we had growth, we were in great shape. 00:37:44.580 |
and you start the initial condition slightly different. 00:37:54.680 |
from the 1800s through the end of the 20th century 00:38:03.980 |
once you crack the puzzle of getting better instruments, 00:38:09.180 |
the more you can make use of what you can see. 00:38:11.140 |
And it turns out there was lots of stuff to do 00:38:27.380 |
for a good chunk of its history with this bonanza. 00:38:30.540 |
And so of course we look like an amazing genius country. 00:38:53.260 |
We had a machine that as long as growth was insanely good, 00:38:57.700 |
we plowed it back, the riches and spoils and treasure 00:39:01.380 |
back into the system and made more genius stuff. 00:39:04.820 |
And we carried along a good chunk of humanity, 00:39:11.500 |
when the growth goes below the stall speed of our society. 00:39:15.300 |
- How confident should we be that the growth has slowed 00:39:27.820 |
Right concept is, I try to use the same words 00:39:33.380 |
because then the perseveration actually gets somewhere. 00:39:38.040 |
because everyone talks about low-hanging fruit. 00:39:48.700 |
"You think we've picked all the low-hanging fruit, 00:39:54.820 |
- It's like, okay, that doesn't even work as an analogy. 00:40:09.820 |
We're just sitting here arguing about low-hanging fruit. 00:40:17.580 |
One of those turned out to be the digital orchard. 00:40:22.780 |
as lots of these other, like the chemical orchard. 00:40:28.440 |
- I have faith that there's a small percentage 00:40:38.300 |
Like I'm excited about one of those orchards, 00:40:40.460 |
which is, I believe there'll be robots in everybody's homes 00:40:51.820 |
the way we live life, the productivity, everything. 00:41:05.580 |
like the ant that finds a new source of food. 00:41:16.100 |
- And you have faith that there's enough of those. 00:41:27.660 |
- How many elons does it take to screw in a light bulb? 00:41:35.220 |
imagine some ant goes and finds a new source of food. 00:41:38.260 |
And then it comes back to the colony and it says, 00:41:56.180 |
that you think you're allowed to go find new food 00:42:09.020 |
where there's a system that allows somebody to ascend 00:42:11.900 |
without a lot of gatekeeping, you can have that. 00:42:17.580 |
Hedge funds for a while hoovered up a lot of talent 00:42:22.580 |
because they were places that had funding and had freedom. 00:42:26.380 |
And in general, really smart people want to be free 00:42:39.980 |
So you can either give them productive places to play, 00:42:47.420 |
or find vaccines for you or build bombs or build companies. 00:42:52.420 |
And we're not providing for the people who have to disrupt 00:42:58.140 |
and have to innovate and trying to channel that effort. 00:43:06.160 |
And fairness and safety, by the way, are really important. 00:43:10.200 |
But the singular focus on fairness and safety 00:43:12.900 |
without in the same breath being focused on growth 00:43:21.340 |
because what we're talking about is we're always talking 00:43:32.580 |
and you destroyed your ability to get to the 20th century. 00:43:38.140 |
- But one place I think I disagree with you is 00:43:47.340 |
the people who refuse to spend most of their days 00:43:54.840 |
- I think podcasting, whatever you call that medium, 00:44:03.520 |
Like you and your podcast can have the next Elon Musk 00:44:40.080 |
Go check the Clips channel, the Lex Friedman podcast. 00:44:50.620 |
- It's a feeling and people are gonna tear me apart. 00:44:54.680 |
- Oh, what are you, you speak from emotion and facts? 00:45:02.760 |
- Okay, tell the people who are currently editing your brain 00:45:11.660 |
Let's get rid of some of your audience right now. 00:45:23.340 |
But what is this self-doubt loop that you're in? 00:45:25.640 |
- The thing is, when I walk the halls of MIT, 00:46:16.180 |
All of this relentless focus on critical race theory 00:46:29.740 |
- You think that's, do you think the Matt Damon's 00:46:32.740 |
of the character is paying attention to any of that? 00:46:36.620 |
- Have you seen what happened to Matt Damon himself? 00:46:41.120 |
at various times that seem to be relatively innocuous. 00:46:50.300 |
- No, no, no, no, he was just a Harvard student 00:46:59.340 |
- You don't think you can build the rocket company 00:47:03.420 |
- I think that there are things that you can still do. 00:47:12.420 |
here, let me just say what I think the solution would be 00:47:25.140 |
and administration should have much less power. 00:47:33.940 |
but they've lost the fire, the spark that gave them, 00:47:39.900 |
And so the people that admire and love the playground, 00:47:46.820 |
And so we should create a systems that give them power. 00:47:54.540 |
It's a weird time, 'cause I don't wanna dissuade you 00:48:06.860 |
podcasting, programming computers, et cetera, et cetera. 00:48:14.920 |
I think we're in a really deeply screwed up place 00:48:19.800 |
let me give you an alternate version of this dystopia. 00:48:23.600 |
I do think that there are people who are capable 00:48:25.600 |
and there's still places to play and cause things to happen 00:48:30.600 |
But if you look at the fire that some of the people are in 00:49:03.700 |
I just, my mind is a little focused on Elon Musk 00:49:16.440 |
and people with Nobel prizes and so on admire Elon. 00:49:26.860 |
from like people that buy his products and young minds. 00:49:31.660 |
But like, why don't we as, why doesn't MIT say that 00:49:36.100 |
somebody amongst us will be the next Elon Musk 00:49:43.580 |
Like say that, say that in meetings, say that. 00:49:54.140 |
It's like, did you hear what Elon Musk tweeted? 00:49:56.980 |
Did you, like how responsible is what he's doing? 00:50:04.040 |
that are just dripping with jealousy and basically- 00:50:17.260 |
You see, when you know that you're never gonna make it, 00:50:25.100 |
What is it in "Kung Fu Panda," which you've watched now? 00:51:12.800 |
and no real competition in that weight class or something. 00:51:18.600 |
because you can't build a legend without the other. 00:51:26.500 |
what are the names that you immediately think of? 00:51:43.880 |
And that's why the Mayweather-McGregor revelation 00:51:48.880 |
that, okay, this guy has got his opponent's picture 00:51:59.660 |
Now, I am not a huge fan of the wrong kinds of rivalries. 00:52:12.860 |
And then there are other rivalries like the R&A Thai Club, 00:52:17.480 |
where these guys were so in love with what they were doing 00:52:31.060 |
And yeah, that's the golden kind of sweet spot. 00:52:36.060 |
Most of these people can't do what Elon's doing 00:52:56.500 |
And I think a lot of those people are female. 00:53:00.100 |
And I think that until we come up with a world 00:53:10.620 |
And I don't necessarily mean by shutting them up, 00:53:12.780 |
I don't necessarily mean by being brutal to them, 00:53:15.900 |
but somehow separating off people who are working 00:53:20.220 |
I think that we're losing a huge amount of human genius 00:53:42.420 |
that we will pig-headedly stick to an idea for 10 years 00:53:53.780 |
- And one of the things that I believe technology 00:53:59.900 |
I believe that a better Twitter can be built. 00:54:04.420 |
I don't believe that a Twitter successor can be built 00:54:12.660 |
but I don't think that converges in something 00:54:16.740 |
the problem isn't Twitter, the problem is us. 00:54:47.820 |
And all you have to do, not all you have to do, 00:55:04.220 |
And I believe that, people actually want to do that. 00:55:15.020 |
of childish toxicity that all of us want to overcome. 00:55:20.140 |
I believe that deep within, we want to overcome that. 00:55:23.420 |
- I try to keep myself from believing what you believe. 00:55:27.540 |
- Because you'll be disappointed if it's not true. 00:55:31.020 |
- Because it's dangerous, because a lot of these people 00:55:33.220 |
are implacable foes and there aren't many of them, 00:55:41.080 |
- I just believe even in them, there's a good-- 00:55:44.660 |
- There's a wonderful book that I'm gonna recommend to you 00:56:00.500 |
leaves Bombay as a kid and comes back as an adult 00:56:04.260 |
and he realizes he has to rediscover the city 00:56:09.420 |
So he gets in contact with all of the weird areas 00:56:12.820 |
of the city and one of them is the underworld. 00:56:15.460 |
He hangs out with the police, but in the underworld, 00:56:22.620 |
Everybody pleads for their life right before I kill them. 00:56:26.480 |
And they always say this thing about I've got two kids 00:56:34.660 |
because we have terrible relationships with our parents. 00:56:41.620 |
So there's a minus sign in front of that statement. 00:56:46.460 |
It's like, okay, well, I'm gonna take this POS 00:56:58.700 |
there are people whose wiring is so disturbing 00:57:01.500 |
and so different from yours that you will never guess 00:57:04.900 |
why you can't reach them or how much pleasure 00:57:08.360 |
they may have gotten because they may have gone 00:57:15.900 |
who is using his intuition to make a hypothesis. 00:57:34.820 |
only full of evil, there's a good person there 00:57:39.380 |
- Lex, one of the reasons I love doing your show 00:57:42.780 |
is that you have these beliefs even as a Russian. 00:57:49.460 |
- As you know, the Russian, there is a weirdness 00:57:56.960 |
That's very much a part of the Russian character. 00:58:04.180 |
is I'm really worried about the next couple of months. 00:58:26.160 |
Do you think we're headed towards some kind of civil war, 00:58:42.180 |
- Well, I believe we're in a revolution, as you know. 00:59:02.180 |
is that you're encountering things that you've never seen, 00:59:04.400 |
trying to fit them into things that you already know. 00:59:23.380 |
I mean, the thing I guess I'm speaking to is violence. 00:59:31.900 |
Imagine you were coding up violence as an abstract class. 00:59:48.660 |
and your audience contains the smartest people around. 00:59:55.780 |
they're gonna detail, so that'll be a little bit of catnip 01:00:02.140 |
It's one of the great lessons of long-form podcasting. 01:00:04.500 |
If you don't waste all your time explaining things, 01:00:07.620 |
that's the job of the audience to do amongst themselves, 01:00:16.120 |
The people who don't wanna struggle will leave. 01:00:20.220 |
I think that the point is you would want to say 01:00:32.100 |
when we already have a term for physical violence. 01:00:34.660 |
So we have meta-violence and physical violence. 01:00:52.340 |
Apoptosis is controlled, programmed cell death. 01:00:55.460 |
Necrosis is just like, okay, this didn't work. 01:01:02.220 |
- And this meta-class is presumed in the documentation, 01:01:09.700 |
This is part of the problem in the madness of our age, 01:01:14.340 |
which is if you open up a drawer in your cabinet, 01:01:19.340 |
in your kitchen, and you see knives, spoons, and forks, 01:01:26.020 |
do you have a sense that the spoons are good utensils 01:01:32.140 |
I mean, if you start thinking in these terms, 01:01:40.740 |
When I cut a mango, I'm doing violence to the mango. 01:01:45.700 |
The mango expects that I will do violence to it 01:01:48.780 |
because otherwise I won't be able to get the meat 01:01:51.460 |
and it won't get its seed spread somewhere else. 01:01:56.460 |
So in part, violence is absolutely part of our story. 01:02:10.040 |
Whatever's going on right now inherits from meta-violence. 01:02:21.040 |
So what I'm specifically worried about is that-- 01:02:34.560 |
of these protests or the chaos that could be created 01:02:39.560 |
by the feeling that the election does not represent 01:02:48.140 |
like saying that whoever gets, quote unquote, 01:02:50.980 |
wins the election according to some kind of reporting 01:02:56.540 |
that's not going to represent what people actually, 01:03:09.060 |
to literal violence, like protests that really, 01:03:12.400 |
that the United States loses its united aspect. 01:03:17.700 |
And because of that, because of that chaos and tension, 01:03:21.840 |
evil people, evil forces, that my definition of evil is, 01:03:26.840 |
you know, just cruel human beings use that moment 01:03:31.620 |
to attain power, the kind of power that ultimately 01:03:40.780 |
that could be another human being, it doesn't really matter. 01:03:43.820 |
My worry is that love doesn't win out in this. 01:03:49.980 |
And I feel like you and I have responsibility. 01:03:58.940 |
- And so how do we let love win in this moment 01:04:03.820 |
of potential chaos? - We're gonna have to fight for it. 01:04:09.860 |
You're gonna have to throw some serious punches 01:04:15.300 |
because the moment you start criticizing anything, 01:04:19.540 |
people, you have to be a masterful communicator because-- 01:04:26.180 |
Look, Lex, in part, your decency is allowing you 01:04:35.180 |
I saw that you had Michael Malice on your podcast. 01:04:39.580 |
- Now Michael Malice is, I think of somebody who at his best 01:04:51.340 |
which he's quite open about and you talk to him about it, 01:04:55.860 |
And this is the idea, oh, grandpa doesn't get the internet. 01:05:01.980 |
There are trolls of the past who were incredibly good. 01:05:16.580 |
Right now what I see is that anything that stands up 01:05:22.220 |
You have to turn it into cynicism and a meme. 01:05:44.540 |
So I do think that there's a lot of sanctimonious hypocrisy 01:05:47.940 |
in the world, some of it mine, some of it yours, 01:05:55.420 |
but it's not a judicious, kind, constructive, 01:05:57.820 |
compassionate, caring version most of the time. 01:06:01.780 |
and I have this feeling about Michael Malice, 01:06:05.660 |
that there's somebody who deeply cares and loves beneath it 01:06:09.020 |
and that that's motivating some of the trolling behavior. 01:06:16.620 |
- Yeah, you and I, I'm very much against trolling. 01:06:25.660 |
Everything we say, we say, "I'm for it, I'm against it." 01:06:33.060 |
I speak nuance, I don't speak this internet shit. 01:06:44.380 |
if it contains the letters LMAO, LOL, RTFL, FOL. 01:06:51.160 |
- There's an interesting effect where people say stuff 01:06:56.360 |
You put it beautifully that it indicates to me 01:07:00.840 |
we've talked about why I wear this stupid suit. 01:07:03.320 |
It's like, this is to fight the LOL at the end of sentences. 01:07:16.640 |
of the content of the sentence that preceded it. 01:07:19.480 |
- Yeah, also, choosing the outfit that worked both 01:07:49.400 |
with nothing particular going on so far as I can tell. 01:07:52.820 |
I know people as impressive at age 29 as Joe Biden, 01:07:59.460 |
12 rows back, 3D, doesn't matter, huge number of people. 01:08:05.840 |
None of them my age can get to where he got to. 01:08:14.840 |
like if you found Eddie Van Halen in a guitar shop, 01:08:23.940 |
Then somebody would say, "Maybe he loves to repair guitars." 01:08:29.160 |
- Yeah, I mean, what is your Russian piano tuner doing? 01:08:35.640 |
which is what is it that happened in that life 01:08:41.720 |
And I find this, for example, with Russian doctors 01:08:59.520 |
where my feeling is we've got to take the seats. 01:09:08.480 |
and we put some smart Gen Z person in the seat 01:09:14.560 |
"I don't wanna hear you say, 'No justice, no peace.'" 01:09:17.400 |
If there aren't verbs, if it rhymes, it's wrong. 01:09:23.440 |
if it rhymes, things that rhyme are more true. 01:09:26.320 |
But in general, if something starts out one, two, three, 01:09:29.920 |
four, I don't wanna hear what the rest of your sentence is. 01:09:32.960 |
But I feel like the responsibility that you carry, 01:10:10.400 |
Speaking of lyrics, there are many here among us 01:10:36.840 |
You're getting the most amazing podcast guests. 01:10:45.680 |
- No, no, I'm telling you you're gonna get bigger 01:10:49.280 |
You're gonna keep ascending for a while, Lex. 01:11:16.460 |
we have never had anything remotely as insane 01:11:20.320 |
as a 78-year-old person slated to win the White House. 01:11:32.040 |
that you talk about the system naturally starts to-- 01:11:37.400 |
The ability to destroy people who become inconvenient 01:11:49.120 |
because we are not doing this Church Committee II. 01:11:54.520 |
you are currently destroying American citizens 01:11:57.040 |
as we did in the past and as we have documented 01:12:11.400 |
And I don't know whether you are grasping that. 01:12:24.800 |
It's because they're trying to find a protected class. 01:12:29.200 |
Is there someplace I can stand and speak the truth 01:12:32.680 |
which does not result in my being garbage collected? 01:12:40.460 |
As you gain more power, you can stand behind your-- 01:12:49.600 |
I mean, I've talked about it for a few years now. 01:12:52.740 |
People did not understand how big that program was. 01:12:55.560 |
People didn't understand long-form podcasting. 01:12:57.520 |
I was derided by people who I think of as being very shrewd 01:13:02.720 |
for believing in these podcasts as a major force. 01:13:07.360 |
And most of the people who derided me have said, 01:13:23.680 |
they're not interested in these long plot storylines. 01:13:38.160 |
kid, let me tell you, nobody ever lost a dime 01:13:40.160 |
underestimating the intelligence of the American people. 01:13:44.200 |
'cause they didn't calculate opportunity costs. 01:13:50.600 |
The problem is is that when the system wakes up, 01:13:57.400 |
they come up with new different mechanisms of doing that. 01:13:59.920 |
I guess one interesting one is cancel culture. 01:14:03.220 |
- Well, look at the number of people around Joe 01:14:14.480 |
Now, I'm not saying that those are all related, 01:14:22.960 |
but I do notice that there are at least correlations 01:14:30.000 |
when something bad happens in Joe's universe. 01:14:33.320 |
It's easier for me to believe that that's happening 01:14:48.840 |
because I don't think, I don't wanna conscript people. 01:14:51.800 |
He's got a great life, he's got a great situation, 01:14:57.440 |
how much do I owe Joe just for what he's done for you 01:15:03.440 |
or for Brett or for Sam or any of these people? 01:15:06.720 |
And I'd like to think that we all try to give back, 01:15:21.560 |
and the way he fights the war is by just enjoying life. 01:15:26.640 |
As long as he stays close to things that he loves 01:15:41.520 |
This is why every time they try to take him down, 01:15:45.840 |
It's like, unfortunately, everybody knows who Joe is 01:16:00.120 |
The fact that you've got some super smart guy 01:16:26.840 |
where they're gonna say, wow, I'm gonna believe 01:16:28.040 |
the New York Times and not the hundreds of hours 01:16:32.080 |
- But the cool thing is that, this is what inspires me, 01:16:35.240 |
is that the way he's waging war against the system, 01:16:44.640 |
where that message like bleeds throughout the words 01:16:51.880 |
that the good people can win by just being good. 01:17:02.080 |
- I always worry a little bit when I sit down in my chair. 01:17:07.520 |
on some kind of bullshit that you weren't even aware of? 01:17:25.480 |
but maybe it was just too complicated life forms 01:17:32.720 |
yeah, it made me a little nervous for the future. 01:17:40.520 |
although sometimes we have miscommunications. 01:17:46.000 |
"Joe, I wanna apologize for ways I've let you down 01:17:51.920 |
and appreciate everything you've done for me." 01:18:00.000 |
I don't know what bad place you're in, but cheer up. 01:18:02.360 |
It's like, Joe, don't you have any Jews in your life? 01:18:07.640 |
He was just like, dude, have you lost your mind? 01:18:12.840 |
- Yeah, what do you think about the Spotify thing? 01:18:19.400 |
- He's now, as opposed to being just a comedian 01:18:23.160 |
with a podcast, he now is just a comedian with a podcast 01:18:26.880 |
who stepped in the middle of the center of cancel culture, 01:18:40.900 |
they contain and represent the kind of structures 01:18:43.680 |
that threaten to destroy the Elons of the world. 01:18:47.180 |
And he just like stepped, like with his Alex Jones 01:18:52.560 |
and his Joey Diaz, just strolled right into the middle of it. 01:18:59.920 |
- But do you think he's strong enough to, I don't know. 01:19:04.440 |
I mean, I don't even know the right way to ask this, 01:19:14.520 |
I'm gonna swallow it whole, see what happens. 01:19:18.880 |
He really seems to be willing to give away the 100 million, 01:19:32.440 |
He just strolls in, but he's willing to walk away 01:19:36.320 |
- Well, he's gonna walk out the other side of the lion. 01:19:38.640 |
I don't think he's gonna go out the way he came in. 01:19:44.780 |
- This is like a giant alien, he just walks into it? 01:19:58.080 |
doesn't understand what they're messing with. 01:20:08.800 |
It's like, I'm sure that he loves all his toys, whatever, 01:20:16.720 |
And you're not, you know, the other thing about, 01:20:21.260 |
it's a bit weird being friends with a dude like that. 01:20:28.880 |
And you're like, I don't know, kind of depressed, 01:20:31.080 |
trying to get some math done, what are you up? 01:20:33.520 |
Oh, dude, I can cheer you up, I just came off 01:20:40.880 |
Oh, I don't know, I just announced it on Instagram 01:20:54.400 |
- The instant Joe takes an interest in politics 01:21:07.800 |
- I'll bet you, I'll bet you a bottle of Stoli 01:21:14.860 |
to get highly politically active and call out the system 01:21:17.640 |
for all the bullshit that it is in a very pointed 01:21:19.960 |
and determined fashion, and he doesn't get destroyed, 01:21:39.360 |
- It's just difficult, you just have to be good at it. 01:21:42.400 |
I mean, if you just say generic political things-- 01:21:45.880 |
- You're going to be taken down, but if you're-- 01:21:48.280 |
- The more heroic you are, the more beautiful you are, 01:21:56.640 |
if Jesus himself came down, I don't know if I ever read, 01:22:00.580 |
I probably have never read to you the hit piece 01:22:06.320 |
- I did hit pieces on all of the best people in the world. 01:22:18.640 |
that I can do it to anybody around anything at any time. 01:22:22.720 |
- Except Eddie Van Halen is who we're talking about. 01:22:36.300 |
Also, you know, packaging female objectification 01:22:55.760 |
inspires so many millions that they will fight 01:22:58.100 |
those canceled pieces, they will fight those. 01:23:01.280 |
You have this idea that there's a war between good and evil 01:23:03.640 |
and the good has already been designated the winner. 01:23:18.520 |
because if I don't, then I can't get out of bed 01:23:31.140 |
So like where we emerge from this year feeling good. 01:23:42.820 |
and not having this worried look on our faces. 01:23:51.500 |
you're going to somehow end this in a positive. 01:24:03.100 |
in the right chairs who are not constantly thinking 01:24:06.260 |
about their next paycheck, I don't see a solution. 01:24:09.400 |
Let me just say what the prerequisites for a solution are 01:24:13.300 |
and to let you know why I don't think it's coming. 01:24:15.800 |
First of all, both of these political parties, 01:24:21.420 |
the leadership of them is disgusting and has to go. 01:24:28.940 |
They don't understand the subtlety of the project. 01:24:50.100 |
People who believe in dividing the pies of the future 01:24:52.600 |
rather than the present pie as our main task as Americans 01:24:59.100 |
You need an ability to have subtle conversations 01:25:08.020 |
And at the moment, everyone knows inclusion is good, 01:25:16.220 |
If I say water is good, everybody will agree with me. 01:25:33.660 |
We've taught people that they can reason through the world 01:26:06.460 |
who represent a diverse group of correct opinions. 01:26:10.740 |
You need to get rid of almost all of the people 01:26:19.660 |
which we're terrified because we don't trust anybody, 01:26:29.340 |
We have too much and not enough at the same time. 01:26:36.700 |
that people aren't worried about feeding their family 01:26:43.580 |
And our billionaires, our billionaires are pathetic. 01:26:49.000 |
if you're not going to do billionaire-type cool stuff 01:27:27.100 |
Joe Biden and Trump having a debate on that program. 01:27:31.920 |
I feel like Joe Biden has a lot of really interesting ideas 01:27:40.640 |
He's been fake for so long within the system. 01:27:47.440 |
that she still was campaigning on decades later. 01:27:54.120 |
empowered you to search, to be honest, to be real, 01:28:02.560 |
then even the Donald Trump and Joe Biden leaders 01:28:05.840 |
we have now would take this country to a better place 01:28:21.360 |
There's depth and complexity and intelligence. 01:28:30.260 |
I mean, there's several things I think are broken. 01:28:34.960 |
One of them is Twitter, the other is journalism. 01:28:38.040 |
It's just the platforms of us communicating with each other. 01:28:45.760 |
if you look at the number of wildfires in California, 01:28:51.880 |
if you treat them all as spontaneous, uncorrelated instances, 01:28:56.400 |
it feels like, oh my God, it's just whack-a-mole. 01:29:02.080 |
So you want to come up with something like a central theory, 01:29:12.560 |
And I found one the other day that really speaks to me. 01:29:18.200 |
because they've been trained to think about this 01:29:21.960 |
But here's the graph that you need to look at. 01:29:29.560 |
And on the Y-axis is something like average age of a human. 01:29:38.480 |
Any Desirable Situation Involving Institutions. 01:29:53.500 |
It could be the age at which people win Nobel Prizes. 01:29:57.380 |
University presidents, all these things go up. 01:30:08.440 |
the average age of the person in a desirable situation 01:30:12.420 |
has been increasing something like nine months for every 12. 01:30:24.300 |
- Of having five people all born in the 1940s 01:30:28.180 |
as the final entrance in the presidential context. 01:30:49.620 |
We are talking about a contest between somebody 01:30:56.540 |
the very beginning of the baby boom, summer of '46 birthday, 01:31:01.200 |
fighting somebody who is in the silent generation. 01:31:05.060 |
The silent generation guy at a town hall in Florida 01:31:25.180 |
needed a transitional 78-year-old person to take office? 01:31:38.340 |
Because it has the, you can make a one-line argument, 01:31:50.380 |
No, but what it does is it muddles the conversation. 01:31:54.600 |
And you always have to ask yourself the question, 01:32:01.480 |
- Well, it's a battle, but let's just win it. 01:32:15.640 |
This is me officially announcing my run for president. 01:32:25.840 |
- I think, I wanna put some responsibility on the portal. 01:32:32.740 |
That the portal gives power to the people in that graph. 01:32:46.220 |
And not move the world, but put in the position 01:32:49.780 |
where they get the chance to affect the world. 01:32:52.160 |
These new platforms, I think Twitter falls in them, 01:33:28.540 |
I disagree with you, but you need to look at the mirror 01:33:41.920 |
how to be a charismatic communicator in this. 01:33:45.260 |
You said like finishing sentences with the LOL 01:33:50.100 |
- Yeah, that's just how somebody lets me know 01:33:52.180 |
I don't have to take their opinion seriously. 01:34:02.700 |
It feels like this is the place to give power. 01:34:09.400 |
- Why are you afraid of the big, like this is-- 01:34:13.140 |
Because I've studied, let me ask you a question, Lex. 01:34:17.200 |
I believe that every society is supposed to have 01:34:42.160 |
And I said, look, there are very few of these people left. 01:34:46.580 |
Let's pay attention, find out what he has to say. 01:34:52.660 |
Tell me about your top 10 universal American heroes. 01:35:24.380 |
we must act now because we're in dire straits. 01:35:27.380 |
- I think a lot of people fall in that category. 01:35:42.040 |
I'm thinking like, who is the most eloquent actor? 01:35:50.140 |
- I believe like, yeah, so this goes to Joe Rogan. 01:36:38.580 |
where everybody's convinced that that person just deeply, 01:36:41.760 |
I mean, I think I've told you this story before, 01:36:47.060 |
but the one time I've seen the power of a figure like this, 01:36:52.060 |
I mean, very few times I've been in a large crowd 01:36:56.360 |
and I've seen people just moved where they would do 01:37:07.440 |
The other one was Nelson Mandela coming to Boston. 01:37:10.880 |
And man, you've never seen anything like this. 01:37:16.320 |
of the Charles River when Nelson Mandela came. 01:37:19.080 |
There are people that you need in your dark hours 01:37:26.120 |
And as soon as they emerge, we tar them with shit. 01:37:51.040 |
Even Killer Mike immediately gets into this, sell out! 01:37:54.860 |
- Yeah, but he didn't take up the responsibility, 01:38:08.960 |
- On this particular moment, he's exceptional at it. 01:38:11.280 |
And he was speaking to this particular moment. 01:38:29.400 |
- You know the guy who landed the plane in the Hudson? 01:38:47.740 |
Can't really tell, is he a Democrat, is he a Republican? 01:38:57.400 |
That's one of the reasons why Jocko's so important. 01:39:26.000 |
There's like, even when you're talking about chaos, 01:39:31.780 |
And I think people draw a lot of meaning from it, 01:39:33.800 |
which is why they are wondering why you haven't been doing 01:39:38.800 |
that many podcasts, or you haven't done it in maybe 01:39:58.620 |
which is everybody assumes that everyone wants to be famous. 01:40:06.960 |
because you want everyone to think you're famous. 01:40:10.800 |
I don't love being as well-known as I've become. 01:40:16.820 |
There's lots of things that are fun about it. 01:40:21.440 |
It's wonderful that you can go to any city in the world, 01:40:31.800 |
- And they're almost, I mean, you can see my live Q&As 01:40:49.180 |
- And thoughtful, and deep, and they have a story. 01:40:58.120 |
- The thing we just described comes with the fame. 01:41:11.760 |
And the other problem is I don't like my audience 01:41:18.960 |
I wanna find out what is this doing in your life? 01:41:21.040 |
My house fills up with art that people send me. 01:41:28.220 |
it's a Bowtie Overdrive from a guy in Mexico. 01:41:49.280 |
- You're starting to sense that this is too much? 01:41:57.840 |
I don't have an ability to fully explain myself. 01:42:03.720 |
I don't wanna claim that I don't love the fact that, 01:42:14.160 |
People have begged me, set up a Patreon account. 01:42:28.960 |
when somebody starts thinking about monetary incentives. 01:42:31.400 |
My goal was to say, I'm gonna keep talking to you about, 01:42:34.520 |
you wanna know why I started doing ads on my show? 01:42:36.760 |
Was because I wanted people to think from the get-go, 01:42:43.600 |
But you know, like you see, I've lost weight. 01:42:56.720 |
- I don't know what my promo code is for Athletic Greens. 01:43:01.840 |
But it doesn't matter. - It's a slash portal. 01:43:25.480 |
Steven Cates and Fitbit, that have changed my life. 01:43:31.960 |
If I do it in this way, this is powering your show. 01:43:38.960 |
because people have these crazy feelings like, 01:43:50.420 |
The security issues for talking and being me are significant. 01:43:56.180 |
And I don't have the kind of money to hire around the clock. 01:44:00.980 |
I mean, I desperately want to get to a level of wealth 01:44:08.220 |
some people want money because they need it for status. 01:44:12.300 |
I think I can handle status if I want it doing this. 01:44:25.540 |
I don't want to be seen as this is about money 01:44:43.260 |
And it's just like, do you think for a moment 01:44:48.220 |
really uncomfortable being as well-known as I was? 01:44:56.980 |
I don't want the audience to be the audience. 01:45:01.420 |
but I don't think people need to fear a business 01:45:03.360 |
if the business is open about being a business. 01:45:09.120 |
What you're seeing now in front of the election 01:45:17.200 |
And I believe that anybody who attempts to say 01:45:25.100 |
at the moment the leadership of these parties 01:45:29.400 |
everyone hears that from inside the two-party system. 01:45:53.460 |
"Are there any people in marketing and sales in the audience?" 01:46:11.260 |
It's like, oh, I know how you marketing people think. 01:46:18.660 |
Let's get that resentment anti-marketing dollar. 01:46:26.540 |
You can't escape this kind of negative marketing thought. 01:46:51.540 |
for the President of the United States, full stop. 01:46:58.460 |
were in the wrong format with the wrong people. 01:47:08.860 |
One is I don't believe the systems as they stand now 01:47:13.860 |
can destroy their equine Stein voice, the voice. 01:47:23.420 |
- But, well, let me, well, it's also possible. 01:47:27.180 |
- It's entirely possible that you're the child, okay? 01:47:50.100 |
that love you is much more powerful than mainstream media, 01:47:55.100 |
than people that you might hear say ridiculous things 01:48:00.140 |
that you just said, which is try to reduce you, 01:48:10.820 |
of people that see you for who you are and are hungry. 01:48:30.140 |
that you have found these demons in the system, 01:48:43.100 |
they're not strong enough to remove the voice 01:48:50.520 |
This is some of the best fiction writing I've ever heard. 01:49:11.380 |
- You're not hearing me. - What you have to do 01:49:36.860 |
- Don't you understand that you have more power 01:49:47.900 |
- I agree that my Twitter account, my podcast, 01:49:52.300 |
you saw what happened to Brett's articles of Unity Project? 01:50:30.260 |
with the person I've, that is a next level mind in there. 01:50:39.920 |
I'm not claiming he doesn't have any blind spots. 01:50:43.940 |
I don't know what he's up against, blah, blah, blah. 01:50:46.720 |
There's no way that the Jack Dorsey that I've talked to 01:50:50.020 |
and the Jack Dorsey that interacted over articles of unity 01:50:55.540 |
He is constrained by that company in some way 01:50:59.460 |
Either that or he's the most duplicitous person on earth 01:51:13.740 |
from the chess board in a tiny number of moves. 01:51:17.420 |
No matter who you are, no matter how virtuous 01:51:19.600 |
or how much of a bastard you've been your entire life, 01:51:22.580 |
it doesn't take more than three or four moves 01:51:27.960 |
- Yeah, and I disagree that if that's possible, 01:51:40.260 |
The army of people that feel the brilliance of the idea 01:51:46.820 |
- But fear, uncertainty, and doubt is the name of the game, 01:51:57.420 |
Because you're Russian, you'll really enjoy this. 01:51:59.860 |
As part of the great American tobacco settlement, 01:52:04.060 |
the Tobacco Institute had to disgorge its archives 01:52:07.740 |
of all of its strategies, all of its skullduggery, 01:52:31.000 |
that will not tolerate reality in opposition to them. 01:52:41.480 |
- So why aren't you doing the podcast, The Return, 01:52:52.200 |
I don't want to discuss strategy on a podcast, right? 01:53:00.880 |
Wasn't his line, "I read your book, you beautiful bastard"? 01:53:13.680 |
with you and several hundred thousand of our closest friends. 01:53:30.680 |
about defeating Donald Trump to elect Joe Biden, 01:53:33.640 |
even if that's the way I'm gonna ultimately vote, right? 01:53:38.160 |
I don't believe in the Biden Democratic Party. 01:53:42.600 |
I don't believe in the Trump Republican Party. 01:53:45.380 |
So yes, it's an incredibly consequential election, 01:53:48.520 |
but to me, it's like the Crips and the Bloods 01:53:54.200 |
to extort a business and the business trying to figure out 01:54:16.500 |
that ensures a better 2021 without having to say, 01:54:20.880 |
like, Donald Trump is evil or Joe Biden is incompetent 01:54:24.960 |
or any of that, just somehow draw a beautiful line. 01:54:46.760 |
My spider sense, my intuition that has allowed me 01:54:59.480 |
for smart people to be spending the dry powder 01:55:08.360 |
that one outcome would be better than the other, probably, 01:55:14.740 |
These two options are so completely inappropriate 01:55:25.000 |
to more boomers and more silent generation people 01:55:39.920 |
The people we've called the elites are not the elite. 01:55:45.880 |
- We need people who can be trusted behind closed doors, 01:56:00.700 |
had all volunteered to be part of the armed services, 01:56:03.560 |
had all come from backgrounds where they didn't need to. 01:56:08.000 |
had put their lives on the line for their country, 01:56:15.880 |
men, women, black, white, Muslim, Jew, doesn't matter. 01:56:18.720 |
I would trust those people, and I'd close the door. 01:56:29.280 |
I don't want transparency into all of their negotiations. 01:56:36.800 |
bigger than themselves and their family fortunes. 01:56:42.480 |
I wanna know that they've got all of our well-being, 01:56:46.900 |
and if they screw us over, I'd rather go down like that. 01:56:52.120 |
'cause there's a difference between those and Jocko, 01:56:55.000 |
because you're not speaking to people with credentials. 01:57:00.000 |
- No, I'm talking about self-credentialed people. 01:57:04.540 |
- But the biggest, the powerful thing about Jocko 01:57:11.780 |
The magical thing about Jocko isn't his book, 01:57:16.620 |
is he's been talking on a podcast for a long, 01:57:24.740 |
- If you took Dan Crenshaw and Tulsi Gabbard, 01:57:27.700 |
and you took Jocko Willing and maybe Jesse Ventura, 01:57:34.540 |
- What, you can take Bernie Sanders, who's a lone voice, 01:57:38.820 |
you take all of these people who've really just risked, 01:57:43.120 |
like why do we trust, why is Katharine Hepburn 01:58:18.700 |
What I do know is that this election is chewing people up, 01:58:23.540 |
One, that parties don't have enough integrity, 01:58:28.980 |
there's a short sequence where you make a comment 01:58:32.300 |
that's nuanced, you get referenced to something, right? 01:58:36.900 |
Like, you know, take this thing about, you know, 01:58:44.420 |
whether the context should be reported or not. 01:58:49.020 |
We are in some situation in which Democrats and Republicans 01:58:53.060 |
are primed to fight each other the way introducing two ants 01:58:56.720 |
from two different ant colonies always produces a battle. 01:59:04.260 |
because those people are gonna kill each other 01:59:22.380 |
We've got a situation which can only be cured 01:59:26.900 |
I can make another argument that we could have a situation 01:59:29.420 |
that can only be cured by defeating Joe Biden right now 01:59:38.860 |
- I don't have, you know, it's not the lady and the tiger. 01:59:43.860 |
We're choosing between the tiger and the tiger. 01:59:45.900 |
It's the Sumatran tiger versus the Siberian tiger. 01:59:49.100 |
Right, I'm trying to think, well, which tiger can I, 01:59:56.220 |
is that we have to divorce the concept of the center 02:00:09.860 |
people will say, wow, you just want to hand us 02:00:18.420 |
Right, so then we have these two crazy wings. 02:00:27.820 |
We can't have crazy left-wing, don't attack my courthouse. 02:00:35.420 |
It's like, okay, how do we install our children 02:00:37.220 |
and rape, pillage, and get these speaking fees 02:00:39.840 |
when we're out of office and become, you know, 02:00:44.980 |
to be regulating them and then become their lobbyists 02:00:48.900 |
immediately when we leave office, all of this stuff. 02:00:59.140 |
so you're gonna sit this one out 'cause you're a pussy, 02:01:02.540 |
Great to know, Eric, we thought better of you. 02:01:18.700 |
I didn't tell him that Unity 2024 was a wrong idea. 02:01:23.180 |
I didn't tell him that Unity 2028 is a wrong idea. 02:01:25.740 |
And if I were to make the case that he was right 02:01:27.880 |
and I was wrong, 'cause he's now shuttered the thing, right? 02:01:30.840 |
I would say that the case to be made that he was correct 02:01:39.400 |
It's good to know that Twitter can turn this off 02:01:46.860 |
that you cannot have meetings of presidential candidates 02:01:51.860 |
in a primary that are not approved of by the party. 02:01:57.860 |
Right, like they've got this thing figured out, 02:02:10.520 |
I don't know that we get to 2024 under all circumstances. 02:02:20.200 |
but you probably are, but let me just make an argument. 02:02:22.960 |
Is Jack Dorsey very likely listens to your podcasts? 02:02:37.160 |
- But we can change it with the power of words. 02:02:44.000 |
- They have so much division on their platform. 02:03:10.360 |
I can tell you things I've talked to Jack about, 02:03:19.540 |
of instantaneous communication across the planet, 02:03:24.760 |
and mutual self-knowledge, the problem is us. 02:03:29.780 |
You're thinking about a technological solution, 02:03:38.200 |
and there's a lot of, probably could save that for tomorrow. 02:03:40.720 |
- I look forward to spending summers in your villa 02:03:56.000 |
- No, I will always give away everything, Alan. 02:03:59.680 |
- No, sorry, invest into things like you mentioned, 02:04:26.440 |
You can choose to use it as the freedom to imprison you 02:04:30.160 |
so you can use it as freedom to make yourself 02:04:35.800 |
money is freedom, and your voice is important. 02:04:39.640 |
At least retain the amount of money, security you need 02:04:46.120 |
What is the point of FU money if you don't say FU? 02:04:50.040 |
The number of people who have FU money who don't say FU 02:04:55.160 |
who chose the freedom of their wealth to create a prison. 02:04:59.840 |
- They built a prison with the freedom they had, 02:05:14.080 |
The FU money is enough for basic shelter and basic food. 02:05:41.160 |
and don't make these pledges to say on a podcast. 02:05:46.880 |
You need money to do many of the beautiful things 02:06:05.560 |
just everything you've said about Roger Penrose. 02:06:09.640 |
he just recently, a few days ago, won the 2020, 02:06:32.640 |
This is clearly somebody who's profound in your worldview. 02:06:59.320 |
but the class from which Roger comes that is so important. 02:07:45.240 |
That's the highest achievement of the human mind. 02:07:59.340 |
It was very frustrating to watch this career. 02:08:01.820 |
It was a little bit frustrating to watch Feynman's career. 02:08:10.260 |
and had he been born at a slightly different time, 02:08:13.940 |
I believe his claim on physics would be far greater. 02:08:29.180 |
in general relativity right at the beginning. 02:08:31.980 |
As a result, the children of Einstein are impoverished 02:08:35.220 |
because there wasn't as much to pick off of the trees 02:08:39.620 |
whereas Bohr and Planck didn't do nearly as good of a job 02:08:51.220 |
by a diagram that I saw in a paper of Herman Gluck 02:09:03.340 |
and weirdly, I brought that to the Rogan program 02:09:12.340 |
I think I probably saw that at age 16 or something, 02:09:19.880 |
Roger's incredibly visual, he's incredibly geometric, 02:09:23.600 |
he's incredibly sui generis, he just does his own thing. 02:09:30.840 |
None of them had really come through the way you would hope, 02:09:35.340 |
and I think they stretched the rules, to be blunt about it. 02:09:41.040 |
- You said this thing on Twitter which is beautiful, 02:09:43.640 |
that every once in a while comes a human being 02:09:54.040 |
The reason that we care about the Nobel Prize 02:09:59.240 |
It's because it came along at the right time to reward 02:10:20.480 |
The prize is used to rewrite history, that's its problem. 02:10:25.680 |
So you should have a love-hate relationship with it 02:10:28.720 |
because on the one hand it does focus the world 02:10:31.240 |
on what really matters, and on the other hand 02:10:34.840 |
and both of those functions take place simultaneously. 02:10:41.760 |
So it wasn't really clearly a case of a prediction 02:10:52.520 |
of that highest caliber to make sure that the prize 02:11:11.000 |
and I think they couldn't have bent it for a better person, 02:11:13.320 |
and I hope they will not bend the rules out of weakness 02:11:19.080 |
Would be great to get Madame Wu and Emmy Noether 02:11:37.960 |
The first two being females who revolutionized 02:11:44.880 |
And I take a very dim view of people pushing for prizes 02:11:49.880 |
for people from ethnic groups or genders or whatever 02:11:59.500 |
we know there was a real problem with the Nobel Committee 02:12:06.160 |
And to try to get through a day as a physicist 02:12:12.180 |
without Madame Wu's discovery that left and right 02:12:21.660 |
for not being more inclusive when it matters. 02:12:26.640 |
the Nobel Prize is plagued by omissions as much as-- 02:12:31.580 |
For example, Dirac and Schrodinger were, I believe, 02:12:39.360 |
The same thing with, you know, Dyson was an omission. 02:12:48.580 |
that something had happened on both sides of the Pacific 02:12:52.140 |
But I don't think we needed to dilute Weinberg 02:13:01.840 |
All of these people are such important giants, 02:13:06.800 |
not wanting to create luminaries and superstars 02:13:10.880 |
who could have defended the field from budget cuts 02:13:26.000 |
that the prize stays funded with the prestige 02:13:29.000 |
that comes from giving it to the Roger Penrose's, 02:13:32.880 |
and Albert Einstein's, and Paul Dirac's of the war. 02:13:40.520 |
- I haven't actually talked to you about this topic, 02:13:48.040 |
mostly because everybody at MIT is quiet about it, 02:13:55.420 |
I didn't get a chance to experience what MIT was like 02:14:01.180 |
at the time when Jeffrey Epstein was part of this, 02:14:46.120 |
the reputations of many really strong scientists, 02:15:20.000 |
Obviously, I wanna scream about it too, right? 02:15:22.400 |
And I probably have said too much about Jeffrey Epstein. 02:15:29.560 |
I don't know what it is, but something horrible happened. 02:15:33.280 |
And at the one thing that, okay, let's just do this. 02:15:39.200 |
The first thing I need to do is I need to get rid 02:15:41.880 |
of this woke crap about power differentials, okay? 02:15:56.840 |
Just the way particular proportions and symmetries 02:16:10.480 |
by male competence and ability to amass power and success 02:16:23.100 |
is quite frankly not something I wanna sort out. 02:16:26.680 |
The relationship between the sexuality of adults 02:16:52.280 |
that Jeffrey Epstein was involved in at some level. 02:16:56.280 |
I believe this story is super complicated in part 02:16:59.680 |
because I think one thing that Jeffrey Epstein was doing 02:17:28.960 |
was doing stuff with children that will curl your toes. 02:17:33.120 |
So there's an entire spectrum of different stuff 02:17:42.160 |
or de-conflate anything because the woke thing 02:17:48.120 |
I think it's disgusting that a 43-year-old billionaire 02:18:05.040 |
- I don't think MIT was deep into pedophilia. 02:18:10.600 |
I don't think that the scientists were the targets 02:18:27.880 |
it may have been somebody else's government, I don't know. 02:18:56.160 |
of Jeffrey Epstein because I don't think Jeffrey Epstein 02:19:10.080 |
of woke identity politics that you're referring to 02:19:19.760 |
- To talk about like, what the hell is this person 02:19:24.640 |
Most importantly, to how do we prevent it in the future? 02:19:31.420 |
the question for me is the same question I ask 02:19:51.560 |
We're not talking about virtue signaling action. 02:19:54.640 |
I would not know what you're up against, Lex. 02:19:57.900 |
The problem here is, what was Jeffrey Epstein? 02:20:02.560 |
- Well, that question might be the heroic action to take. 02:20:08.320 |
You have to map the silence with Jeffrey Epstein. 02:20:10.880 |
What you're describing is a map of the silence at MIT. 02:20:55.040 |
You're so afraid of saying the word conspiracy 02:21:00.960 |
who I thought were my heroes just being weak. 02:21:38.920 |
I believe that if you would review the video, 02:21:50.020 |
- It's the assassination in 2010, 10 years ago 02:21:57.440 |
in Dubai where I believe 26 separate individuals 02:22:07.440 |
coming in from all over the world on false passports, 02:22:17.440 |
And all of these teams have different functions 02:22:36.680 |
that says we can completely detail what you did. 02:22:44.280 |
'cause your disguises and your false passports. 02:22:53.600 |
I don't believe after COINTELPRO and Operation Paperclip 02:23:01.000 |
I don't know whether I should even bring up Rex84, 02:23:10.700 |
- So you have a sense that evil can be as competent 02:23:18.000 |
- First of all, when evil wants to operate at scale, 02:23:24.900 |
When evil operates at scale, from first principles, 02:23:29.120 |
you have to realize that evil must not want it investigated. 02:23:44.560 |
is to invest in a world in which no one can afford 02:23:49.880 |
You'll notice that there is a special radioactivity 02:24:06.440 |
or trade groups, or generally speaking, conspiracies. 02:24:20.320 |
off the chessboard by saying conspiracy theorists. 02:24:26.040 |
He said he was a conspiracy theorist on this show. 02:24:28.960 |
Okay, that is partially distorting our conversation. 02:24:34.500 |
you have to agree with me that that is a logical description 02:24:46.220 |
- But it's a fascinatingly difficult idea then, 02:24:58.820 |
- Well, my point, there is responsible conspiracy theorizing 02:25:03.820 |
where you look at the history of unearthed conspiracies, 02:25:08.560 |
and just like you would with any other topic, 02:25:10.560 |
just think about how different the rules in your mind are 02:25:13.600 |
for conspiracy theorizing versus X theorizing 02:25:27.720 |
is not the same between widely separated populations. 02:25:52.280 |
So we have a violent reaction to specific topics. 02:25:56.760 |
So the first thing I wanna do is just to notice 02:25:59.760 |
that conspiracy has that built into everyone's mind. 02:26:13.000 |
that would be the first step if you wanted to 02:26:19.360 |
You would have to first convince the world of that. 02:26:36.320 |
which was run by a student of Murray Gelman, a physicist, 02:26:44.640 |
to steal files which allowed freedom of information requests 02:26:50.000 |
It was a conspiracy that unearthed a conspiracy 02:27:00.680 |
I think that the problem with modern Americans 02:27:03.000 |
is that they are so timid that they don't even learn 02:27:10.800 |
So with that done, Jeff Epstein, in my opinion, 02:27:17.680 |
I don't think that-- - Kind of scary to think about. 02:27:28.960 |
because I was more worried about being destroyed 02:27:40.560 |
that I don't know anything more than I've already said. 02:28:07.480 |
And we're a free society and we act like a free society. 02:28:19.160 |
And William Proxmire and the Golden Fleece Awards 02:28:32.360 |
And the national culture of US science was lost. 02:28:46.120 |
And a tiny number of funders, maybe Fred Kavli, 02:28:49.840 |
maybe Yuri Milner, maybe who else would be in this category? 02:29:01.240 |
Howard Hughes would be the largest of these things 02:29:05.160 |
which has different grant structures than the NIH, 02:29:08.120 |
gave people a modicum of risk-taking ability. 02:29:24.200 |
Here's $100,000, go research something crazy. 02:29:36.600 |
between the federal government and the universities. 02:29:39.000 |
And the federal government and the taxpayers welched. 02:29:43.760 |
- So that's one place to lay the blame for Jeff Epstein 02:29:46.580 |
as at the failure of the federal government-- 02:30:02.380 |
But the point was there wasn't enough money to be moral. 02:30:04.940 |
So it was time to eye each other as a source of protein, 02:30:30.960 |
that they're willing to go down with ship science. 02:30:33.460 |
The Galileo Galilei thing became very important to science 02:30:48.180 |
to buy the kind of legacy I want to leave to this planet. 02:30:51.180 |
This is one of the great things about science. 02:31:10.880 |
but I've certainly risked my health, my fortune. 02:31:15.800 |
You know, I've destroyed myself economically over science. 02:31:25.820 |
in chaired professorships who are destroying our system 02:31:34.340 |
- Let me bring in Grandmaster Uguay into this. 02:31:44.620 |
- Oh, that would make him a chess-playing turtle. 02:31:52.340 |
There's apparently only one grandmaster, and that's Uguay. 02:31:57.340 |
- Is the phrase grandmaster ever uttered in the script? 02:32:17.180 |
He says a couple things I'd like to bring up with you. 02:32:23.460 |
recommends that you should find a battle worth fighting. 02:32:34.440 |
What is the battle worth fighting for, for Erik Weinstein, 02:33:03.420 |
You just got introduced to the problem of a virus. 02:33:12.020 |
with no uncorrelated experiments happening anywhere else. 02:33:17.020 |
- So do you see the foray, your work in physics, 02:33:34.740 |
should work on the plan that he, she thinks best, right? 02:33:45.100 |
Meta Erik says, "I don't think that's a smart plan." 02:33:49.280 |
Regular Erik says, "All people who have hope should work." 02:33:56.420 |
- Everybody who has hope should do that thing. 02:34:01.820 |
At least it's the moon and Mars and maybe Titan and whatever, 02:34:06.060 |
and it doesn't make sense, and it looks silly. 02:34:08.020 |
- But that's exactly the kind of fight worth fighting. 02:34:09.900 |
- But it's the kind of, it's for the same reason 02:34:19.180 |
that make us feel dumb and silly and childish 02:34:27.140 |
My version of this, I am the most hopeful about 02:34:31.700 |
if I thought that Daniel Schmachtenberger's wisdom project 02:34:49.060 |
to sending back images from the surface of Titan 02:34:51.740 |
via Huygens-Cassini in less than a century, okay? 02:34:56.420 |
What we can do if we can change the laws of physics 02:35:05.160 |
and at least we will know why we died on this planet. 02:35:10.600 |
- As a small aside, I think this is not the right time 02:35:16.580 |
to take the full journey, but I feel like you'll guide me, 02:35:20.180 |
like Master Hui did, and I'm the Kung Fu Panda at some point. 02:35:28.740 |
- We didn't, well, we're Jews and they weren't, 02:35:39.460 |
- It's debatable, we'll have to go back to the Wikipedia. 02:35:57.940 |
Can you comment on where, since we last spoke, 02:36:19.920 |
I think one of the things that I've learned from the video, 02:36:22.380 |
'cause the video is coming up on half a million views 02:36:25.580 |
on YouTube alone, to say nothing of the audio, 02:36:30.580 |
but yeah, it produced a very strange reaction. 02:36:34.620 |
One of the things I don't think that I properly understood 02:36:48.380 |
probably had converted over into manifolds, bundles, 02:36:55.920 |
And I saw a lot of the comments would say things like, 02:37:02.340 |
and I'm not even familiar with all of these concepts. 02:37:08.580 |
coming from living in Cambridge, Massachusetts 02:37:18.620 |
I can make this make as much sense as anybody needs to. 02:37:30.980 |
the same people have these perverse incentives on them, 02:37:34.180 |
where they've invested in these programs that didn't work, 02:37:46.180 |
which is that effectively it's like the hermit kingdom. 02:37:53.780 |
rolling up and saying, I know how to do physics. 02:37:56.940 |
So I'm always very clear, I'm not a physicist. 02:38:14.980 |
but he said something like, everybody got discouraged. 02:38:23.060 |
There's something about the renormalization revolution 02:38:29.340 |
just because you can see in this energy regime 02:38:31.300 |
doesn't mean you can extrapolate somewhere else 02:38:33.340 |
unless you understand how coupling constants run 02:38:36.680 |
and what kind of UV fixed points exist, blah, blah, blah. 02:38:41.280 |
Somehow that discouraged people from guessing, 02:38:43.840 |
from believing everything became an effective theory. 02:38:48.600 |
wasn't taken to be really the beauty of the universe, 02:38:59.760 |
and also its interpretation by the physics community 02:39:06.240 |
is that in part I'm waiting for them to get weaker, 02:39:16.180 |
the podcast medium is revolutionary for public, 02:39:23.920 |
I mean, I don't even know the right words for it. 02:39:39.960 |
And it goes back to this thing that I read about 02:39:48.080 |
like what's the greatest thing that ever happened in math? 02:39:50.440 |
And he says, "Tartaglia's solution of the cubic." 02:40:26.860 |
Like one of the things that we were talking about 02:40:38.360 |
And maybe you couldn't play as well and as cleanly 02:40:44.440 |
Once you understand that there is a tapping principle, 02:40:50.080 |
My belief is that once we start innovating in the present, 02:41:00.040 |
because everything that around us is screwed up. 02:41:08.220 |
Probably the most famous quote of his, right? 02:41:12.440 |
With yesterday's history, tomorrow's a mystery, 02:41:27.480 |
I feel like people need to know way too much context 02:41:37.520 |
Well, let me ask, what are you grateful for today? 02:41:50.440 |
that I can't believe I'm lucky enough to have this? 02:42:02.960 |
all the little things, saying grace after meals. 02:42:07.960 |
You're coming over for Friday night Shabbat dinner, 02:42:24.320 |
how wonderful it is that there's a quenching bottle 02:42:43.120 |
I can't believe that I'm not more beaten down 02:42:55.120 |
I mean, I'm not that rich by monetary standards, 02:43:22.520 |
I think this is the end of something profound, 02:43:32.560 |
Whatever's next could be a return to the horrors 02:43:36.120 |
of the early 20th century that doesn't manage 02:43:39.980 |
but takes hundreds of millions of lives in the process. 02:43:54.480 |
But it was nice to be able to move around the world 02:44:00.160 |
It was nice to be able to see a little bit of the world, 02:44:03.040 |
even if it was from a cot in a hostel in some country. 02:44:23.560 |
- Actually, there's something I wanted to just say 02:44:28.720 |
Falling in love with an intellectual collaborator 02:44:32.000 |
is a special thing that not everybody gets a chance to do. 02:44:36.200 |
I think when I met Pia, I fell deeply in love with her, 02:44:50.520 |
And then, weirdly, just like in a buddy picture 02:44:53.800 |
where in the first half of the film, they hate each other, 02:44:59.560 |
And finally, the sexual tension clearly was so thick 02:45:07.080 |
which is this other theory, not geometric unity, 02:45:20.160 |
and to see the quality and beauty of their mind 02:45:23.860 |
It's sort of the intellectual version of the tango. 02:45:30.360 |
that doesn't fall into most people's experience. 02:45:33.680 |
That was a chance to see something totally unexpected. 02:45:38.300 |
because she doesn't wanna revisit the material, 02:45:47.360 |
for hundreds of thousands, I think millions of people, 02:45:51.920 |
I can speak, me and them are really grateful. 02:45:57.520 |
One, that you exist, and two, sorry for your podcast. 02:46:02.520 |
And I do hope your voice in some form continues 02:46:27.600 |
I mean, it's, earnestness trades at a discount at the moment 02:46:41.800 |
there's a project here and a world to win, as they say. 02:46:44.940 |
The thing that I want my and your listeners to know 02:46:49.940 |
is that I'm not stepping away from the podcast 02:46:54.160 |
because I don't appreciate that people really want more. 02:47:09.720 |
And destroying myself right in front of an election, 02:47:16.080 |
I think that the forces that are trying to make sure 02:47:20.880 |
that aren't either colored red or colored blue 02:47:23.640 |
is a big danger given how angry I am at the system. 02:47:29.000 |
And I don't want to be removed from the chessboard 02:47:30.960 |
because if nobody's going to talk about Jeff Epstein, 02:47:33.880 |
If nobody's going to talk about various things 02:48:06.280 |
This is really about trying to plan for all of our futures 02:48:14.340 |
to Brett's articles of unity was going to happen to Brett. 02:48:17.480 |
It's going to happen to the YouTube channels. 02:48:19.420 |
I want to make sure that we don't have all of our eggs 02:48:25.040 |
that's the whole idea of the intellectual dark web, 02:48:27.000 |
which is at some level a loose confederation. 02:48:32.780 |
if somebody wants to back it and make it work. 02:48:35.160 |
It can dissolve so that there really isn't anything. 02:48:51.440 |
And so it's very important that right in front 02:48:53.360 |
of an election, yeah, I think that the desire 02:49:03.840 |
is one of the most pernicious aspects of the new America. 02:49:07.180 |
And we have to fight the ability to destroy reputations 02:49:11.200 |
as a means of institutions keeping individuals 02:49:14.540 |
with podcasts and the ability to reach millions 02:49:22.360 |
They have plenty of weaponry with which to fight us. 02:49:25.760 |
And I believe that they could remove you or me 02:49:28.760 |
By the end of today, if they wanted us off the chessboard, 02:49:56.480 |
And I try to remember the short martyrdom part of that. 02:50:05.160 |
and a disagreement, which is how you hook them 02:50:16.960 |
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