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- With tasty philosophy and deep Yaks, this is Nick Hazelton with the Narco-Yakitalist. 00:00:53.880 |
- Hey there, guys. This is Nick Hazleton, the Narco-Yakitalist with the 62nd episode 00:00:59.260 |
of Narco-Yakitalism. You guys will like what I've got today. 00:01:03.800 |
This guy is great. I really dig Bash in school. Wax and philosophy is fun too, 00:01:09.240 |
but nothing gets me fired up more than somebody talking about how to run a 00:01:12.920 |
business. So without further ado, here it is. 00:01:17.080 |
Joshua Sheets back on. I'm super excited. I had Joshua on to talk about how to... 00:01:24.760 |
I think it was...basically, the show was how to get rich as a young person. 00:01:28.800 |
And it was an awesome show. I think it was one of the best, if not the best shows I've 00:01:34.240 |
put out. And that was a while ago. So I'm really happy to have you back. 00:01:39.920 |
- Yeah, I'm good. And I'm glad to be back. And I'm more glad that you've actually done 00:01:42.880 |
it. I think it's what we talked about at that. In and of itself, automatically, 00:01:46.720 |
it takes you out of the bottom 80% and moves you into the top 20% because the vast 00:01:50.240 |
majority of people listen to a tremendous amount of advice and do nothing. 00:01:55.960 |
So I'm glad to see you following through. That was the only reason I was willing 00:01:58.800 |
- Well, I appreciate that. And I didn't mention this, but you're from the...you run 00:02:05.440 |
and host the Radical Personal Finance Podcast, right? 00:02:09.920 |
- So you have some ethos to speak on when we talk about finances. 00:02:14.920 |
- It's kind of been a long-time hobby and a long-time profession as well. So hopefully, 00:02:19.560 |
at this point, I have some ideas that can be useful to people. If not, 00:02:23.600 |
then I don't know what I'm doing. If the amount of time that I've spent studying 00:02:27.040 |
and thinking about these things can't be useful to some people, then I've done 00:02:30.040 |
something drastically wrong. But the audience says that the content is useful, 00:02:35.520 |
- Yeah. Well, I love it. I love your show. I haven't listened in a little while, 00:02:40.520 |
but I always...when I listen to any of your shows, I'm like, "Yes, this is great." 00:02:45.160 |
Even if it's about retirement and I don't need to think about that for another 50 00:02:48.080 |
years, I still do. So I appreciate what you're doing, and I appreciate you coming 00:02:54.640 |
- Yeah. One of the keys to any kind of life success is having a long time horizon, 00:02:59.800 |
thinking far in advance. And it's a big difference between even the classes. 00:03:04.720 |
You can segregate in our modern society, you can segregate people based upon lower 00:03:09.040 |
class, middle class, and upper class based upon their length of time horizon. 00:03:13.360 |
The upper class people are planning generations in advance. Just think of the 00:03:17.800 |
people who rule the world. They've planned out generations in advance. 00:03:22.240 |
They've thought things through. My favorite story of that is Rothschild. 00:03:26.600 |
You know, he sends his five kids, the original Rothschild patriarch, 00:03:30.480 |
he sends his five kids out to set up a banking empire in five different countries 00:03:34.720 |
knowing that for the rest of his life, he'll never see them again. 00:03:37.800 |
But to this day still, the Rothschild family has an incredible amount of wealth 00:03:41.960 |
and power, and much of it was due to the foresight of the original founder. 00:03:47.160 |
And you can pass through each of the classes of society. 00:03:50.600 |
Middle class people think about planning to make sure they have some money saved 00:03:55.240 |
for their down payment on their house. They think forward about retirement. 00:03:58.120 |
And so middle class people think in the context of their own lifetime. 00:04:02.240 |
And then lower class people are often thinking about just the next step. 00:04:05.960 |
And sometimes that's due to just simply simple circumstances. 00:04:09.480 |
You know, if you've got a hungry belly, you can't afford to be thinking about how 00:04:12.600 |
am I going to do generationally? You've got to be thinking about where's 00:04:14.720 |
my next meal going to come from? Some of it is due to just simply ignoring 00:04:18.240 |
the opportunities that are available to them. 00:04:20.440 |
But the longer your time horizon can go, the more you can move up through the 00:04:28.320 |
I do try to think beyond myself as well. My dad has done this with our work here on the farm. 00:04:55.800 |
So I had you on to come talk about this self-education plan. 00:04:59.360 |
I had Brett Vannott from the School Sucks podcast on to talk about this from an 00:05:03.360 |
educational standpoint. And we got into a little bit of philosophy, 00:05:07.120 |
I think, too, on why am I doing this. And I wanted to have a financial standpoint 00:05:14.040 |
on this. And you also gave me some good tips here. 00:05:16.440 |
And I believe I added this on to everything. I listed out on all of these things I wanted 00:05:23.160 |
to do. So like the yak dairy. I had my materials 00:05:26.720 |
and what I would get the material skills and then how I need to do it and then what I'd 00:05:32.800 |
learn. And then you told me, "Well, you should also 00:05:34.880 |
add in why is it important to you?" So I think I can't remember exactly what you 00:05:41.040 |
said, but I'm thinking that this is because it brings it more personal. 00:05:46.960 |
It makes it more personal. It puts it in a great perspective. 00:05:49.960 |
If your why is strong enough with anything, you'll figure out the how. 00:05:54.640 |
So think about the example that I've never heard of a better one. 00:06:00.000 |
The example of if you -- how old are you at this point, Nick? 00:06:06.440 |
So you might be able to answer this, but if your listening audience were a little bit 00:06:10.400 |
older, you can at least appreciate the example. If you were a parent and you had a son or 00:06:14.920 |
daughter that you really cared about or if you had a niece or nephew that you really 00:06:18.640 |
liked and you found out that your son or daughter, your niece or nephew was diagnosed with a 00:06:24.920 |
terminal disease, but that there is a vaccine available for that disease that can cure them 00:06:31.520 |
and they're going to die one year from today without the vaccine, but with the vaccine, 00:06:35.000 |
they could actually live. That vaccine costs $10,000 and you've got 00:06:40.600 |
to earn and save the money to do it. I ask people as a mental image, I say, "If 00:06:46.640 |
you had to, could you earn and save $10,000 in the next year to save the life of your 00:06:52.440 |
child or a child that you like?" And the answer 100% of the time is yes. 00:06:58.200 |
And so I learned that example years ago from a Dave Ramsey class that I went through and 00:07:04.200 |
it just stuck with me as being the perfect example of how if your why is strong enough, 00:07:10.320 |
you'll figure out the how. Now, nobody knows how they would do it. 00:07:14.000 |
They just know that if they needed to, if the stakes were high enough, they would do 00:07:18.720 |
it, whether it meant they got extra jobs, whether it meant they sold something, who 00:07:22.160 |
knows, but they would figure out a way to do it. 00:07:24.680 |
So the key to good goal planning is getting very, very clear on why something is important 00:07:30.040 |
to you and the more reasons why something is important to you that you can stack up, 00:07:36.720 |
the better. As you stack those reasons up, you will follow 00:07:39.720 |
through if the reasons are enough. And then also to think through the how. If 00:07:44.120 |
you just think through the how and you don't think through the why, you might not have 00:07:46.840 |
the emotional strength to follow through when times are tough because the how isn't actually 00:07:50.880 |
going to work. If you look at business planning, there are 00:07:55.240 |
studies that I've read and articles that I've read that talk about the percentage of businesses 00:07:58.760 |
that actually succeed who have started with a good business plan and it's much, much higher. 00:08:05.920 |
One of the things you want to think about whenever you're starting a business is constructing 00:08:09.600 |
very carefully an excellent, carefully thought through business plan that provides for as 00:08:14.560 |
many eventualities as you can consider. But when they've done research with those business 00:08:19.400 |
owners who have actually followed through and built those businesses, they ask them, 00:08:23.920 |
"How often do you refer to the plan?" The surprising answer is, "Well, not very often." 00:08:29.000 |
And so what seems to be the case is it's not so much having the plan that makes the difference. 00:08:35.520 |
It's having thought through the plan and thought through things in advance that makes the difference 00:08:40.880 |
because once you're out in the war, so to speak, you've got bullets flying at you. You 00:08:44.720 |
don't have time to go out and dig out the manual and see what to do. You just pull the 00:08:48.400 |
gun and fire. That's what business owners often are doing. 00:08:51.560 |
But if they've thought through in advance where they're going, then they're probably 00:08:54.480 |
going to take better shots. Most businesses will follow a path of change where somebody 00:09:02.360 |
will set out with an initial vision and then they'll move forward, but that vision will 00:09:06.440 |
change, but still it's the planning. So when you combine those two things together and 00:09:10.440 |
you've thought through very careful plans for how something can be achieved and you 00:09:14.760 |
have very important reasons why, then you bring a lot of energy and a lot of clarity 00:09:20.760 |
And then perhaps the most important thing behind the why is you might find that you've 00:09:26.360 |
set a goal, you've built a plan, but you don't really have any compelling reasons why 00:09:31.880 |
something is important to you. So in that case, after a while, you might work on it 00:09:37.840 |
and then after a while, you realize, "I don't care about this. I don't have any why for 00:09:41.840 |
it, so why am I wasting my time?" and you just quit. That's the best thing in the world 00:09:45.400 |
because you quit doing something that's not important, which frees you up to do something 00:09:49.560 |
that you do care about. So it's also a good test to know, "Am I working on the right goals 00:09:53.800 |
if I have enough really emotionally strong whys?" 00:09:58.960 |
Yeah, I like that. I've never really thought that through, but I think you're totally right 00:10:09.360 |
and I do try to do that kind of consciously. My main goal is I want to be comfortable. 00:10:17.720 |
I want to be happy and I want to make sure that I'm going down a path that's going to 00:10:21.880 |
most benefit me, not necessarily financially, but in the long run, I'm shooting for happiness 00:10:32.720 |
and content with my life. So whatever that means, that's where I'm going for. So yeah, 00:10:38.880 |
I like that. I think that's exactly right and I have expressed that on the show, goals-oriented 00:10:46.520 |
decision-making and looking at the long-term goal, like where do you want to be and how 00:10:51.240 |
do you want to feel and is this going to help you out get there? And if it isn't, then don't 00:10:56.960 |
Right. The biggest waste of time is to do something well that doesn't need to be done 00:11:02.680 |
It's not original with me. I don't know who to cite or I would cite them, but it's not 00:11:10.720 |
Okay. Well, all right. So let's dive into this plan. So the first thing I set out with 00:11:18.200 |
was let's make a statement. Why am I doing this and what am I supposed to be doing in 00:11:22.600 |
a very broad sense? And so I wrote, this is what I plan to do outside of school because 00:11:27.360 |
this was the alternative to going to school. So I decided I'm going to list all the responsibilities, 00:11:33.360 |
goals and actions that I plan to have and take to become a self-educated and independent 00:11:38.400 |
entrepreneur, which is something that I didn't think I could do in school. 00:11:41.800 |
So this is exactly what this plan is, is how to become a self-educated, independent entrepreneur 00:11:48.160 |
and being the main goal here is to live a good life. And I've explained that in other 00:11:54.840 |
shows what that means to me. So that's mainly what I'm thinking. And do you think that kind 00:12:00.640 |
of fits in with why I'm doing this? Or do you think I could get into more depth with 00:12:07.760 |
You will be able to get into more depth as you start to work into this and experience 00:12:11.960 |
it. So the key to planning is not the actual plan. The key to planning is the process of 00:12:18.520 |
planning. So taking an initial step starts to transition you from a non-planner into 00:12:25.360 |
a planner. So what you'll find is as you work towards these goals, some of these goals will 00:12:30.200 |
change. Some of them are exactly what you'll wind up doing and they're important and you'll 00:12:35.200 |
achieve them. Some of them will change and you'll realize that, for example, in order 00:12:42.320 |
to live a good life, that's kind of a vague and nebulous thing. It doesn't mean what is 00:12:47.880 |
a good life, but you may not know right now. I probably have a little bit more of an idea 00:12:54.120 |
of what a good life is than you do because I have a few more years of experience. But 00:12:57.720 |
even me, I'm still working on my vision of a good life. So be as specific as you're able 00:13:02.940 |
to be, but don't stress out about it. Recognize that it's going to change. 00:13:08.680 |
The most important thing about doing a process like this is not what you achieve, but it's 00:13:14.000 |
who you become. I remember years ago I heard Jim Rohn talk about that. He said, "The most 00:13:18.720 |
valuable thing of becoming a millionaire is not having a million bucks, but it's becoming 00:13:25.640 |
the millionaire," or to clarify it, becoming the type of person who can save and accumulate 00:13:31.760 |
a million dollars. Once you're the type of person who can save and accumulate a million 00:13:36.240 |
dollars, you could take the million dollars away and you'll still be that person until 00:13:40.440 |
you'll get another million dollars. That's one of many reasons why the rich get richer 00:13:44.320 |
and the poor get poorer. The richer rich, they become the type of people that get and 00:13:48.040 |
stay rich, so they're going to keep on getting richer as they express those characteristics 00:13:52.120 |
and character qualities that help them to be rich. 00:13:54.840 |
Poor people, for the most part, are poor people and they do the types of things that poor 00:13:59.600 |
people do, so they continue to be and to maintain their poverty. You could take all of the money 00:14:05.480 |
away from everybody in the world, split it all up equally based upon the number of people 00:14:10.240 |
that are alive, and after a year, you'd see some major changes. After 10 years, I can't 00:14:17.480 |
imagine anything less than 10 or 20 years that all of the money wouldn't be right back 00:14:21.800 |
in the hands of everybody who has it now because the type of person who is rich is the type 00:14:30.640 |
The important part of this planning is becoming the type of person who is proactively planning. 00:14:37.640 |
For right now, you've got a really great start and then next year as you revisit this, you'll 00:14:44.440 |
get better and better and better and better at actually clarifying the plan and your plans 00:14:49.600 |
will get better and better and better and your results will start to multiply over time. 00:14:53.280 |
>> Trey: Okay, yeah, I like that. That's something I try to keep in mind. Yeah, my plans are 00:15:00.800 |
going to change and they have actually. I hadn't visited for a few months before I talked 00:15:07.160 |
to Brett Panot about this and I was going through it. I'm like, "Well, I don't want 00:15:11.040 |
to do that anymore. I haven't put as much energy as I thought I would and I don't think 00:15:17.960 |
I'm going to put as much energy in there because I don't really want to do this right now." 00:15:21.280 |
So I took it out and yeah, I think you're exactly right, keeping that in mind and I 00:15:26.560 |
do try to keep that in mind. Okay, so yeah, I like your feedback there. 00:15:33.240 |
Then going on, moving on to the goals here. So I picked this goal that I want to be financially 00:15:39.680 |
independent by 25. I decided that that's what I want to do and this is one of those things 00:15:45.040 |
that could absolutely change, right? I'm not going to say, "I'm going to do this by 25" 00:15:48.080 |
because I don't care that much at what age I become financially independent. It'd be 00:15:53.000 |
nice to be by 25 and I think I can do it. So I chose that and then that was the main 00:15:58.720 |
goal and then to do that and well, I guess it's not all to do that but some of the things 00:16:04.200 |
I decided also along with that is I want to have the first commercial yak dairy and I 00:16:09.320 |
said the next two years and that was earlier this year and I found that that's much harder 00:16:15.800 |
than I thought it would. So I changed my goal for the next four years because I do think 00:16:21.080 |
I can do it in four years but next two years will be very difficult. So I changed that 00:16:27.480 |
and then I also want to have a live show, take my podcast and turn it into a live show 00:16:34.560 |
in the next couple of years to be on the Liberty Radio Network and then I want to have some 00:16:40.400 |
several side businesses set up in the next couple of years too. I decided I want to put 00:16:47.200 |
the once a week restaurant on hold. That would have been having the produce and the meat 00:16:52.440 |
from the farm being used as a once a week restaurant. I had a decent plan set up for 00:16:58.040 |
that and I just lost interest. So I put that on hold for now and right now, I'm doing 00:17:04.040 |
this, selling meat from pigs and yaks. I don't have any poultry of my own to slaughter but 00:17:08.640 |
I just recently slaughtered a yak in the last few months. I'm selling meat currently. I'm 00:17:13.360 |
always selling pigs and so that's working out really well and then I'm not growing any 00:17:19.000 |
produce right now and I will be selling fibers from yaks. So those are my side businesses. 00:17:27.720 |
Probably the most useful feedback would be helping you clarify a plan toward financial 00:17:34.320 |
independence. So when you say that you have a goal of being financially independent by 00:17:43.800 |
I want to be able to sustain myself and my lifestyle while being comfortable, I guess 00:17:52.880 |
So sustain yourself and your lifestyle. So clarify what the lifestyle means. Are you 00:18:00.200 |
I don't know. I don't have a plan for my lifestyle. I kind of do. I'm shooting for something very 00:18:09.800 |
simple on the farm. I'm not looking for extravagant cars and houses. My plan is to live in a trailer 00:18:19.680 |
that I'm fixing up and yeah, so that's about as far as I've gotten with that. 00:18:26.780 |
So the starting place is to clarify the lifestyle and I'm glad you're thinking about this because 00:18:33.360 |
too few young men spend time thinking about this, but you want to just get clear on the 00:18:38.200 |
lifestyle. What is that lifestyle and if possible, you want to write that down. So if you're 00:18:44.480 |
living on the farm where you want to live, that helps. So to be financially independent, 00:18:49.200 |
if you're fixing up a trailer, then your initial stages are, "Well, I need $3,000 of materials 00:18:54.800 |
to fix up this trailer," and you want to consider any costs or questions that are going to be 00:19:01.040 |
associated with your lifestyle. So if you've got the trailer, then you've got a place to 00:19:05.040 |
live that's paid for. You're going to need some electricity, so there's $50 a month for 00:19:09.400 |
your electric costs or whatever the costs are that are going to be associated with your 00:19:15.960 |
When you're a young man, you want to start by saying, "Okay, what's a budget for me?" 00:19:18.960 |
and then you also want to say, "Well, what would be a budget that would be me plus a 00:19:23.240 |
wife?" and if you are able to clarify that, it'll help you to plan a little bit because 00:19:27.440 |
the budget that you are able and willing to live on would probably be different than the 00:19:31.480 |
budget that you are able and willing to support a family on, so it's good to plan ahead for 00:19:36.560 |
Once you start by clarifying the lifestyle, then that gives you a starting point. So when 00:19:43.480 |
you get to the word "sustain," so you said, "I want to be able to sustain myself and my 00:19:47.880 |
lifestyle," then what does "sustain" mean? So there are different stages of financial 00:19:51.600 |
independence. So one stage might be, let's say that you work out that you need a budget 00:19:56.000 |
of $3,000 a month. That would be about a median budget. Many people in the country are living 00:20:01.000 |
on about that much, and so if you are frugal, you're living in a trailer, that would give 00:20:04.960 |
you plenty of excess spending money to be able to do things. I'm not talking about improvements 00:20:08.560 |
that your farm needs here. It would be a fairly comfortable lifestyle if you have plenty of 00:20:14.320 |
spending money, again, if you're living in a trailer and living a simple agrarian lifestyle. 00:20:20.320 |
But $3,000 a month could be a goal initially for you to make and profit from your dairy 00:20:29.360 |
or from your overall farm operations. So once you have a target of a number, then what I'd 00:20:35.880 |
recommend to you is that you take your approach in stages. 00:20:39.640 |
So the first thing that I would have is a goal that says, "I want to earn my income 00:20:45.200 |
in a way that aligns with my vision for the things that I enjoy and the things that I 00:20:50.480 |
like to do." So for you, that is the agrarian farming lifestyle. So you want to figure out, 00:20:56.800 |
"How much money do I need to earn from that? I'll use $3,000 a month. Is that an okay number 00:21:02.440 |
or you think it should be less? You think it should be more?" Any guess on that at this 00:21:07.880 |
I think it would be less, but that's fine. Let's work with $3,000. 00:21:12.440 |
So the number doesn't matter. It just matters that it's a generally appropriate number. 00:21:18.240 |
And there's a balance between how little you can spend on and how much you can spend on. 00:21:23.760 |
You're a pretty hardcore young man, so you could live on $5,000 a year if you needed 00:21:30.000 |
to. You could live in the trailer. You could have $20 of electricity. You can live a Jacob 00:21:37.640 |
Lund Fisker lifestyle. I think you're a fan of his. He would be a great role model. So 00:21:44.680 |
you could live that lifestyle. I'm using a more comfortable number just in case you find 00:21:49.800 |
that you'd like something different, but that number ultimately is up to you. 00:21:53.640 |
So if you pick a number, $2,000 or $3,000 a month, then your first goal is to say, "How 00:21:59.880 |
do I get to that?" So let's use $2,000 a month. On a yak dairy, what would you estimate is 00:22:04.960 |
your profit if you could run, I don't know how big your commercial yak dairy would be, 00:22:11.040 |
but if you could run with yaks producing the amount of milk they produce, the sales price, 00:22:15.160 |
and let's say you had 10 milking milk yaks, how much profit would that produce for you 00:22:24.120 |
I honestly have no idea. This has never been done before. So I'm totally pioneering that 00:22:32.460 |
So it's an exciting thing to pioneer it and I love that you're doing that at this stage 00:22:36.460 |
of your life because if you can live on $5,000 a year, you're at a place where you can pioneer 00:22:42.800 |
this and see if it works or see if it doesn't. If you were at a stage of life where I am, 00:22:47.740 |
I'm 30 years old and I have two young children and a wife that I support, I'm not able to 00:22:54.300 |
be quite so flexible as you are. So it's awesome that you're using this time of flexibility 00:23:02.300 |
So you want to start by just taking some guesses and you figure out, "Okay, what is the local 00:23:07.700 |
market for milk?" So what I would do is in building the business plan for something like 00:23:12.300 |
that, look around and see what does organic goat's milk sell for, what does raw cow's 00:23:17.100 |
milk sell for, does anybody sell sheep milk in your area for people who have allergies 00:23:23.420 |
So you look around and you try to figure out what their prices are and you look at that 00:23:27.860 |
yak milk and you say, "Does yak milk have any extra benefits or any extra disadvantages 00:23:33.380 |
that are a real benefit or problem?" And you look at that and you start to figure out, 00:23:37.900 |
"Okay, here's what I think I could sell it for. I'm going to make up a number, $5 a gallon." 00:23:42.420 |
So you could sell your milk for $5 a gallon. Then you look and say, "Well, how much?" I'm 00:23:48.020 |
sure you have one yak at this point that you could milk, so you say, "How much could each 00:23:53.620 |
And you start to run these numbers on it and you just play with the calculations and 00:23:58.060 |
start to figure out, "Could I make any money at this?" And you may not know. Maybe you 00:24:02.020 |
need $15 a gallon of milk to break even. So in building the concept of a dairy, what would 00:24:10.940 |
be a mistake would be to set out and to build a big building, a beautiful milking barn, 00:24:16.380 |
buy milking equipment, etc., and then go ahead and hook up and then go ahead and get your 00:24:21.220 |
yaks lined up and start milking. That would be a mistake. 00:24:24.420 |
The better thing is to see, "Can I develop the market for my product first and what price 00:24:29.060 |
can the market bear?" So then if you say, "Okay, I can sell some milk for $15 a gallon. 00:24:33.780 |
I can sell it illegally to my neighbors just off the record. Okay, so there is a market. 00:24:39.320 |
Now you can go ahead to process and you can start running out in business." They're called 00:24:43.020 |
a pro forma financial statement, a projection. You can say, "If I had 10 yaks, I'm going 00:24:47.460 |
to make up some numbers here. I could sell my milk for $10 a gallon. Between my 10 yaks, 00:24:52.620 |
I'm going to have 5 gallons per day. That's $50 of revenue per day times 365 days per 00:25:00.740 |
year. That's $18,250 of gross income based upon the sale of the milk." 00:25:07.460 |
So then you pull off of that your transportation costs. Are your customers going to come to 00:25:10.940 |
your farm and pick it up or are you going to deliver it? You pull off of that any cost 00:25:14.460 |
of maintenance. What is the rent on the land that my yaks are grazing on? What's the cost 00:25:19.720 |
of the building? Do I need to buy milking equipment? Is there going to be an electricity 00:25:23.740 |
cost? How am I going to do this? Do I need to hire a farm hand to help me? Am I going 00:25:27.060 |
to milk them by hand or do I need to buy the equipment? 00:25:29.500 |
You start pulling your expenses off of that and you try to figure out, "Do I have a reasonable 00:25:33.520 |
business that could be created?" So with those numbers that I just totally pulled out of 00:25:38.220 |
thin air, you could start to see, "Okay, there's $18,250 of gross revenue." So then you can 00:25:43.800 |
rerun that and you can say, "Well, if I could get 15 milking yaks under those numbers that 00:25:48.260 |
I used, then I could get to $25,000 of revenue, pull off a few thousand dollars of expenses, 00:25:54.260 |
then I could anticipate $2,000 of profit to compensate me for my time." 00:25:59.100 |
And so that would be, if I were in a situation like yours, that would be one of my initial 00:26:04.200 |
goals to say, "I want to spend $2,000 a month. I believe that a herd of 15 yaks could get 00:26:10.220 |
me there." And that gives you a game plan to start with. You figure out how much land 00:26:14.060 |
do I need, what's the equipment, etc. and that's how you meet that initial stage of 00:26:19.660 |
funding your expenses based upon the net profit from your business. 00:26:24.180 |
Okay. Yeah, I like that. I think that's something I should be looking into and I will be doing 00:26:32.180 |
that. So basically, I'll explain my plan so far. It's not as detailed as you're suggesting 00:26:39.020 |
but my plan is that the next heifer calf that I get, the next female yak calf I get, I'm 00:26:44.540 |
pulling it at whatever age from its mother and I'm bottle feeding it so that it's very 00:26:49.860 |
friendly with me and that way I'll be able to milk it when it's mature and it has its 00:26:56.460 |
first calf. That's so far what I'm going to go for right now. So I'll be milking it. I'll 00:27:02.500 |
taste the milk, make sure it tastes all right and then I'll start experimenting it with 00:27:08.140 |
myself. Can I make cheese out of this? Can I make yogurt out of this? As soon as I do 00:27:12.780 |
it, I know there's a market for it because people want it. People want to try it. I've 00:27:18.140 |
had many, many people saying, "Yeah, yeah. Get me yak milk as soon as you can. If you 00:27:22.220 |
do it, give me a call," because people really do want it. So that's my plan right now is 00:27:27.380 |
to see if I can even milk a yak and then I'll try and sell it and then expand from there. 00:27:35.700 |
That's perfect because it's a very unique idea. It's a very unique product and you're 00:27:41.580 |
going to have to build the market for it. So the reason I talk about building out the 00:27:46.060 |
� again, to use the technical accounting term � the pro forma financial statements 00:27:49.940 |
is, this is the same thing you do with any business and what you want to figure out is 00:27:59.180 |
With those additional details that you've now given to me, let me give you a couple 00:28:02.340 |
of scenarios. If you need to raise a heifer yourself from your herd and you expect one 00:28:11.060 |
female yak each year going forward, then you now know that there's no possible way � if 00:28:16.980 |
that's your source of milking cows � you now know that there's no possible way for 00:28:21.660 |
you to be sustaining yourself four years from now if you only have three milk-age heifers 00:28:29.100 |
and one little one that you're raising to that point in time because you're just not 00:28:32.780 |
going to be able to have the volume of milk that you could actually build a business off 00:28:38.700 |
of. So it's no problem. That doesn't mean you abandon the goal. What it does mean is 00:28:44.060 |
that you're going to have to figure out how am I going to support myself for the next 00:28:47.180 |
ten years until I can build up my herd enough to have my 15 milking cows if this works. 00:28:53.500 |
And so now that's going to focus your attention over on your established business. It's going 00:28:58.780 |
to focus you over on your pigs. It's going to focus you over on your pastured poultry. 00:29:02.900 |
And it's going to focus you on your vegetable production. And so now you're going to put 00:29:05.940 |
together a plan to say, "Well, I've got this amount of land available to me in my current 00:29:11.060 |
situation. I can run on this land this number of pigs. I can run this amount of poultry. 00:29:16.100 |
I can farm this over here and produce these vegetables. With my time, this is going to 00:29:21.460 |
support me while I'm building up my yak herd towards the goal of this commercial dairy." 00:29:26.720 |
So the reason that we have to put numbers on paper is to see could my plan work in theory. 00:29:32.200 |
If it can't even work in theory as far as supporting me and my family, then I don't 00:29:37.440 |
abandon the plan. I just build a new plan that's going to wind up in me supporting 00:29:42.360 |
myself. And so if you've got to grow your dairy one cow at a time, it's not going to 00:29:49.560 |
be supporting you two or even four years from now. So it might fulfill your goal of having 00:29:55.340 |
a first commercial yak dairy in four years because you might have four milking cows at 00:29:59.440 |
that time, but it's not going to make you financially independent. So that's where you're 00:30:03.840 |
going to need to add those other products to your product line as you build out your 00:30:08.800 |
Okay, yeah, that makes sense. So one thing that I've been talking about with my father 00:30:15.560 |
is that maybe I should just buy a trained heifer already or a trained cow right now. 00:30:22.880 |
The only problem is that's like $3,000 and I can't afford that right now, but I could 00:30:28.720 |
obviously take out a loan with him or somebody else to make that happen and that would make 00:30:33.100 |
it more immediate instead of waiting for that calf. And then if I decide, "Hey, this is 00:30:37.560 |
going to work, I'll buy more." I could possibly do that. 00:30:42.400 |
So how would you analyze that decision to decide which is the better course of action? 00:30:47.700 |
That is an interesting question. I have not thought about that. 00:30:51.780 |
So how I would do it is I would, again, come back to some projections. I'm making this 00:30:57.220 |
sound more complicated than it is. You're already used to doing this every day. We're 00:31:03.340 |
already used to weighing pros and cons of decisions. I'm just clarifying it and trying 00:31:07.940 |
to present it in a structured format so that the listeners are able to apply this to their 00:31:13.140 |
So let's say you look at your cow. Well, number one, you need info. Do you know how much milk, 00:31:19.360 |
if you were to buy a heifer that someone else is milking, do you know how much milk she 00:31:23.800 |
would produce monthly, annually, or on whatever basis? 00:31:28.320 |
I don't have that figure off the top of my head, but I know I could figure that out pretty 00:31:33.340 |
So that would be the first thing to do. I don't know how much milk a cow produces, a 00:31:40.240 |
Holstein or whatever. So you would start with figuring out what is that dollar figure. What 00:31:51.300 |
Number two, you look to see what percentage of the year is the cow dry. Does she have 00:31:58.240 |
milk all year round or is she dry at some point of the year? Then that figures out on 00:32:02.500 |
an annual basis how much milk you can expect. 00:32:05.460 |
Next, you find out what is her expected lifespan for being a good milk producer. Can she produce 00:32:11.520 |
milk for two years, five years, ten years? I don't know those answers, and you would 00:32:16.300 |
need to check that out with whoever the farmer is that is doing that. So that means some 00:32:20.700 |
phone calls, some emails to other farmers, some posts in whatever the yak forum is where 00:32:25.120 |
you participate. You try to get those details. 00:32:28.820 |
You try to figure out what is the income that I could expect. So what is the amount of milk 00:32:35.460 |
that's my product that I could sell? Next, you need to look at the market and do a guess 00:32:40.300 |
on what you could sell that for. That's where I would look at other types of organic, non-cows 00:32:46.180 |
milk, sheep, goats, find out someone who's selling, look at the specialty products that 00:32:51.660 |
they're making, and try to just make some guesses as to what it would sell for. What 00:32:56.060 |
that will do for you is that will tell you how much of an income you can expect from 00:33:01.460 |
that cow in terms of the actual milk product. 00:33:06.460 |
Next, look at the remainder value of the cow when her milking lifespan is done. So what 00:33:12.700 |
do you do with her when she's too old and she's not going to be producing milk? Can 00:33:16.860 |
you butcher her and sell her? If so, how much could you expect to sell that meat for? Is 00:33:21.420 |
that $1,000 worth of meat? Is it $200 worth of meat? Can she have babies that you would 00:33:26.300 |
be able to sell along the way as she's milking? If so, how would those affect the milk supply, 00:33:34.620 |
So we want to figure out what's the income that we could expect from that cow. Now let's 00:33:38.620 |
say that we ran the numbers and the cow that's going to cost $3,000, you run the numbers 00:33:43.860 |
through and you find out that you could expect $500 per year of profit or income from her 00:33:51.140 |
milk products for the next four years. So that would give you $2,000 of profit. Then 00:33:58.700 |
at the end of $2,000 of income, then at the end of four years, she's basically going to 00:34:05.140 |
be near the end of her productive capacity and you decide that you're going to butcher 00:34:10.360 |
her and sell the meat. You look and say, "Well, she's going to be old. She's going to be tough, 00:34:14.700 |
but we can sell her for and get $500 of value for the meat." Now you know that that's a 00:34:21.140 |
losing proposition. If you have to pay $3,000 for her and you've only got $2,500 of income, 00:34:26.900 |
then you're going to be losing money. So you're probably better off in that situation waiting 00:34:30.780 |
a little bit and growing your own and saving the $3,000 because if you compare growing 00:34:35.900 |
your own from your own herd where she can produce and yet it's going to be waiting two 00:34:39.900 |
years but now let's say the same numbers, you've got $2,500 of income but $0 of outflow 00:34:45.220 |
to buy your own calf that you're raising just the time, that's much better than $3,000 of 00:34:52.840 |
On the flip side, let's say that those numbers were very different. You can sell $500 a year 00:35:00.180 |
of milk product. You could sell $1,000 a year of milk product and in addition to that, you're 00:35:05.420 |
going to sell some of it as straight milk, but then for some of it, you're going to create 00:35:08.540 |
higher value artisanal products, cheeses or yogurts or something that you can mark up 00:35:13.700 |
even more and you've got the market for that. So in addition to the $1,000 of milk, you 00:35:18.420 |
can add another $250 of value to the actual product. So now you've got $1,250 of annual 00:35:23.900 |
revenue for the next four years plus at the end, you're going to butcher her when she's 00:35:28.220 |
not too old and not too tough and instead of it being $1,000 of meat, on the flip side, 00:35:36.340 |
So now in those numbers that I completely made up, you've now got $7,000 of expected 00:35:42.140 |
income. In my world, that's a pretty good rate of return. I can calculate the actual 00:35:49.660 |
cash flow payments for you and tell you the actual rate of return. It would take me about 00:35:58.580 |
three minutes to do and I don't want to do it on the microphone here, but you could run 00:36:01.900 |
that in and say, "Okay, $3,000 out and over the next four years, $7,000 of income. That's 00:36:07.260 |
a pretty healthy profit." So in that situation, that would be a good thing to get going and 00:36:12.300 |
in that situation, I'd go ahead, I'd borrow the money from my dad, I'd go ahead and buy 00:36:15.380 |
her and I'd get that business going instead of just waiting for my heifer to grow up. 00:36:19.940 |
Okay. Yeah, that makes sense. So what I'm thinking right now, my course of action should 00:36:24.660 |
be because my father sells goat milk right now. So using those prices of what he does, 00:36:30.540 |
he makes cheese and yogurt. So I'm just going to, just to play it safe, I think I could 00:36:35.860 |
totally sell yak dairy products for more than goat milk, but just to play it safe, let's 00:36:41.260 |
say it's just not that good. So we sell it at goat milk prices. So I can use that, take 00:36:46.620 |
those prices. I can ask some people what the yield of a yak cow is. I can figure out all 00:36:54.660 |
that information, the fact of that and then go from there and figure out which path is 00:37:01.980 |
profitable, wait for the calf or go ahead and buy a $3,000 cow. 00:37:06.900 |
Right, right. And the key, I've made up numbers that are totally wild. The key is just to 00:37:14.220 |
sit down and start playing with scenarios and start making some guesses. And you'll 00:37:19.780 |
be wrong. You're just guessing. But then as you actually get into this business, you start 00:37:24.740 |
to track your own scenarios. And this thought process is what's more important than the 00:37:29.820 |
actual details. I did this one time with a friend of mine who was considering establishing 00:37:35.100 |
a valet business. And this friend came to me and they said, "I've been offered," he 00:37:42.100 |
was working as a valet, somebody running for cars presently. He was earning $2,500 a month 00:37:49.620 |
doing that work. And he was considering establishing a valet business. He'd been offered a contract 00:37:54.900 |
by a local condominium and there were certain prices involved with the contract and he knew 00:37:58.860 |
the numbers. So we sat down and we ran the numbers. I asked him, I took the income, I 00:38:05.300 |
took the taxes, I took the cost of insurance, and just ran some simple illustrations. And 00:38:09.100 |
what wound up being the case was that in order for him to make money, if he worked in the 00:38:18.860 |
business and worked a shift just like he counted himself in as a valet, he could expect a profit 00:38:23.860 |
of about $2,000 with him working in the actual business, which was equivalent or less to 00:38:31.180 |
what he was making as a valet, but he had a lot more risk. 00:38:35.500 |
And so what came out of it was under the terms of the deal that were offered to him, it was 00:38:39.860 |
a bad deal. And there was no rational reason for him to start that business. There wasn't 00:38:45.620 |
enough even potential profit for it to be worth it. So his decision course was if he 00:38:51.740 |
was only going to have the one account, he was better off just simply keeping his current 00:38:56.580 |
job, running for cars and letting someone else take all the risk and all the hassle 00:39:00.100 |
and he just earned the net profit. He would have been making more as a valet than as the 00:39:05.940 |
The flip side was the only way for him to make the business worth it would have been 00:39:10.860 |
if he was going to take it from one account to 10 accounts because with one account, he 00:39:15.140 |
didn't have enough scale for the business to work, but with 10 accounts, he would. So 00:39:19.820 |
if you sit down and put numbers on paper and start to make guesses without any commitment, 00:39:24.940 |
but just start to look through things, you'll start to realize, "Is this worth it?" And 00:39:29.460 |
in some cases, yes, in some cases, no. And you might find that pastured poultry is way 00:39:35.200 |
more profitable and you're just going to go slow and easy on the yaks as a fun hobby and 00:39:40.980 |
who knows, maybe at some point they'll make some money and maybe at some point they won't. 00:39:45.200 |
That's very different than saying, "This is an awesome business opportunity and if I just 00:39:49.540 |
focus all my effort here, I'll make way more money with yaks than pastured poultry." The 00:39:54.940 |
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But the one thing I would like to have your input on a little bit is my plan B. Did you 00:54:33.180 |
Okay. So, I mean, obviously, when I wrote this, I was like, "I don't want to deal with 00:54:37.180 |
this. I don't want to write this plan." So I was a little bit – I wasn't really thinking 00:54:41.180 |
it too much through, but I have thought this plan through and I think that – I still 00:54:46.180 |
think that I'm right here, that everything I've got going, I have a variety of business 00:54:52.180 |
ideas and I think that it's enough diversity that I think this could work. So I was being 00:55:00.180 |
a little bit facetious when I say none, these, or death, but what is your thought on that? 00:55:07.180 |
What would happen if you fell down the slope while you're out trying to find the new 00:55:13.180 |
baby yak that was born and broke your back and you could no longer walk? My point is 00:55:19.180 |
– and no need to answer – just illustrative of the fact that plan Bs are valuable and 00:55:25.180 |
important. Things can always happen that could adjust things. 00:55:29.180 |
So I don't think necessarily at this point – you've got so many options here that 00:55:34.180 |
are associated with it that I don't think you need plan B. I don't think in terms 00:55:40.180 |
of plan B. I do think in terms of if this doesn't work, then what? If this doesn't 00:55:44.180 |
work, then what? If this doesn't work, then what? What would I do there? And in my 00:55:49.180 |
mind, it's valuable to accumulate a list of potential other things that you could do 00:55:54.180 |
that would be useful and fit your potential lifestyle. 00:55:59.180 |
So I admire the idea of these things have to work. I admire that because that's often 00:56:09.180 |
what keeps people focused when it doesn't look like things are working. Businesses usually 00:56:13.180 |
are tough and there's a point in time where you're like, "I just don't think this 00:56:16.180 |
can work," and your confidence and your belief is often what will drive you through. 00:56:21.180 |
But also good backup plans might help you to be able to be willing to do other things. 00:56:28.180 |
And it's not so much when you make a plan. You can always change the plan. And that's 00:56:35.180 |
So in our first discussion, I really emphasized to you, "Make a plan," because most people 00:56:40.180 |
don't make a plan. Then now that you've made a plan and I admire that you've actually 00:56:45.180 |
followed through, that tells me something about you. So now I want you to focus on the 00:56:49.180 |
process of planning and really understanding the process of goal setting and planning. 00:56:56.180 |
Because once you identify that process, then you know and you can apply it to other areas 00:57:01.180 |
of life. And having backup plans is valuable and is important. 00:57:07.180 |
And as you look around at the opportunities that you face, as you look around at the things 00:57:11.180 |
that are before you, what you might find is that there are a number of different options 00:57:14.180 |
which are actually going to integrate with your life goals. 00:57:19.180 |
At this stage of your life, I would expect most of your decisions to be very binary. 00:57:24.180 |
It's either this or that. And that's expressed in what you've written here with regard to 00:57:31.180 |
As you continue through life, you might find that you can integrate and implement more 00:57:36.180 |
things together and that things are not always so binary. 00:57:40.180 |
So you might be able to find that as you pursue different things, you might find that 00:57:44.180 |
somebody offers you a job working as a libertarian activist and you get to travel Oregon 00:57:48.180 |
and make $40,000 a year encouraging people in political principles that are important to you. 00:57:55.180 |
And you might recognize because you look at the act business and say, "You know what? 00:57:59.180 |
This is fun and I like this, but there's very little commercial opportunity and there's 00:58:05.180 |
a reason why there are no commercial yak dairies here where I live. 00:58:09.180 |
I'm just going to go ahead and keep my access fund and I'm going to focus on this other 00:58:14.180 |
thing that I really like and that's really valuable to me." 00:58:17.180 |
And that's okay. Your goals will change. Your situation will change. 00:58:21.180 |
If all of a sudden your mom and your dad got sick and now you had to step up and you've 00:58:27.180 |
got to run the goat farm and you've got to care for them and they're both bedridden, 00:58:32.180 |
But you would step up and you would take care and you would be the man of the house and 00:58:36.180 |
you would take care of the household, but that would affect your plans. 00:58:39.180 |
So I wouldn't worry so much about, "Okay, I've written out a plan B." 00:58:43.180 |
What I would do if I were you is just keep lists of things that interest you. 00:58:47.180 |
Keep lists of potential ideas. Keep lists of jobs that would be fun. 00:58:52.180 |
Keep lists of business ideas that you hear. Keep lists of lifestyle choices that you think 00:58:59.180 |
are appealing to you. Keep lists of ideas and then reference those lists sometimes. 00:59:04.180 |
I keep a file called "Someday Maybe." I learned this trick from reading David Allen's 00:59:09.180 |
book, "Getting Things Done" years ago and I found it to be useful. 00:59:13.180 |
Keep a "Someday Maybe" list. "Someday, maybe I might want to reference this." 00:59:21.180 |
And then if something hits you in the face where all of a sudden circumstances have 00:59:25.180 |
changed beyond your control, now you can look at that list and you can have something 00:59:29.180 |
to transition into that might also be a good fit and still allow you to continue 00:59:36.180 |
Okay. Yeah, I have no issue with that. I think this was a fantastic show. 00:59:41.180 |
I really appreciate the input and the suggestions and the advice. 00:59:45.180 |
It's awesome to have you on again to talk about this. This was great. 00:59:49.180 |
I admire what you're doing. And so I'd be happy if you want me to come back in the future, 00:59:53.180 |
I'd be happy to do it and keep in touch and keep sharing with me your progress 00:59:57.180 |
and the things that you're doing. I admire the work that you're doing. 01:00:01.180 |
And I hope that in many ways, I have a two-year-old son and I hope that my son is as 01:00:08.180 |
entrepreneurial and forward-thinking and aggressive as you are when he is at your stage of life. 01:00:13.180 |
I really appreciate that. And yeah, I hope we keep in contact and we should do another 01:00:18.180 |
show in the near future, especially when I get some more things rolling in. 01:00:22.180 |
So quickly, I guess it's your time crunch, so you can plug your show and everything you're doing. 01:00:29.180 |
Yeah, my show is Radical Personal Finance. And so the best way to find out about that is 01:00:34.180 |
just simply search the App Store on your phone for Radical Personal Finance. 01:00:38.180 |
You'll find my free app that has my show. I do it Monday through Friday, in-depth, 01:00:42.180 |
hardcore financial planning. And my intent is to provide somebody with all of the tools 01:00:47.180 |
and education that they need to go from financial dependence to financial independence. 01:00:53.180 |
And on my show and also on my website, Nick, you and some of your listeners might also 01:01:01.180 |
like to look at the stages of financial independence that I've developed. 01:01:05.180 |
There is a show, I can't remember it right now, the exact show that is with the growth. 01:01:12.180 |
But I've written out seven stages of financial independence. 01:01:15.180 |
Financial independence, we were talking earlier, is somewhat of a nebulous concept for many people. 01:01:20.180 |
But I've broken it down into seven stages, so you could work toward it sequentially. 01:01:25.180 |
And it's not such a big nut, big number. So that might be something that some of your 01:01:29.180 |
listeners who are interested in financial independence might enjoy looking at 01:01:34.180 |
I can't give enough props to Joshua. I love his show. I need to listen to it more often, 01:01:39.180 |
but his advice is great. Definitely check out his work, Radical Personal Finance. 01:01:44.180 |
Look it up. I'll put it in the show notes. You'll love it. 01:01:47.180 |
We focus on my situation mostly here, but this really can apply to any situation. 01:01:53.180 |
The main thing I got out of this show was the planning aspect, which is mostly what we did talk about. 01:01:58.180 |
Having the most basic plan is super helpful, even if you don't follow it. 01:02:03.180 |
Like I said earlier in the show, I've promoted goals-oriented thinking. 01:02:08.180 |
Figure out what you want and go for it. If you don't know what you want, that's fine. 01:02:12.180 |
Start at basic feelings that you want, like joy or being content with your situation. 01:02:18.180 |
Then build from there. It can be pretty hard, but it's so useful. I think it's fun, too. 01:02:24.180 |
I don't have much to say other than that. I'm still moving. I did hit some irritating barriers this week 01:02:29.180 |
for making any sort of progress. Our basement flooded a couple days ago, so I've spent the last few days 01:02:35.180 |
like that. I've been having a hard time practicing stoicism and nonviolent communication this week. 01:02:42.180 |
I've been complaining like a toddler a lot lately, which I don't like. 01:02:46.180 |
Part of it is that I want to do my own thing away from everybody else, but I have other obligations 01:02:52.180 |
like helping my family clean up the basement, which it's unfair of me to expect that I don't have to participate. 01:02:59.180 |
But it's been kind of irritating me recently. The other thing is that I don't like living with my parents. 01:03:06.180 |
I love them, don't get me wrong, but I'm ready to get out. Yeah, I know what you're saying. 01:03:12.180 |
You're going to miss it someday, buddy, and you're probably right. I'm trying to appreciate it as much as I can. 01:03:17.180 |
It's just been kind of irritating recently. I'm sharing this because, like I've said before on the show, 01:03:23.180 |
I think that I should share what it takes and the struggles I face using the philosophy that I promote. 01:03:27.180 |
So, I mean, that's just what I've been dealing with recently. 01:03:31.180 |
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