Day Architecture: How to Build the Optimal Daily Routine | Josh Waitzkin & Dr. Andrew Huberman

00:00:00.000 | - So when I wake up in the morning, for instance,

00:00:03.960 | like many people, I don't feel immediately alert.

00:00:06.660 | I don't feel like I could just dive into writing

00:00:09.540 | if writing is the most important thing I need to do that day

00:00:11.740 | or I have some transition time.

00:00:14.120 | Do you think that people should embrace

00:00:15.880 | natural transition times on the timescale of a day

00:00:19.840 | or that they should train themselves

00:00:21.760 | to like, you know, bounce into effort,

00:00:24.160 | like go with the flow or force oneself through the door?

00:00:29.560 | - Well, how I relate to that personally,

00:00:31.440 | I've spent a lot of time thinking about day architecture.

00:00:33.520 | Well, I call it day architecture.

00:00:35.640 | And I think there's some very systematic things we can do,

00:00:40.640 | but I think like anything,

00:00:44.200 | they should be individualized, right?

00:00:45.920 | I don't think that everyone should follow a certain model

00:00:47.920 | 'cause we're all very different.

00:00:49.140 | You know that old book that,

00:00:50.440 | Tim actually produced the audio book, "Daily Rituals"?

00:00:53.640 | - Oh yeah.

00:00:54.480 | - Like one of the best things about "Daily Rituals"

00:00:55.880 | is how few patterns there are through them.

00:00:57.940 | It's just hilarious. - I love that book.

00:00:59.520 | I'll put a link to it. - It's so brilliant.

00:01:00.520 | - Such a good book.

00:01:01.480 | - It breaks down the daily routine.

00:01:03.360 | It's like two to three to four page chapters

00:01:05.480 | on like a hundred some brilliant artists

00:01:08.440 | and scientists and creators.

00:01:10.360 | And they're just so random how they live.

00:01:12.160 | - Some are out partying all night.

00:01:14.000 | Drugs, alcohol, caffeine.

00:01:15.640 | Others are super regimented and monk-like.

00:01:17.960 | It's the range of daily architectures is so vast.

00:01:22.840 | - So I think we need to have like that awareness

00:01:25.680 | and that sense of humor and humility about it.

00:01:27.920 | And we can get systematic and structured at the same time.

00:01:30.240 | I think it's important to hold both of those.

00:01:32.560 | I mean, what you just asked,

00:01:34.180 | I do believe that that beautiful period

00:01:38.480 | when we first wake up and that dream state is so powerful.

00:01:42.600 | And I think that people, almost all people

00:01:45.960 | immediately pick up their phone and start checking messages,

00:01:48.620 | which just shuts down one's awareness

00:01:51.680 | of what's been happening beneath the surface all night.

00:01:54.520 | So I think that that's a real lost opportunity.

00:01:58.040 | I remember when I was 11 years old,

00:02:00.160 | I read this, my dad actually gave me this Hemingway essay

00:02:05.160 | on his creative process.

00:02:06.080 | And there's one of my favorite,

00:02:07.920 | sometimes there's like an insanely potent book

00:02:10.040 | that's put together.

00:02:11.320 | And it's, two that come to mind are "Lessons of History,"

00:02:13.800 | which is this short compilation of Will and Ariel Durant,

00:02:17.720 | two of the greatest historians

00:02:18.760 | who've published tens of thousands of pages.

00:02:21.480 | This is a short compilation of a handful of thematic essays.

00:02:25.000 | It's only like 100 pages of all their life's work

00:02:27.560 | boiled down to a few themes.

00:02:28.680 | It's unbelievably potent.

00:02:29.960 | And "Hemingway on Writing" is another book of that nature,

00:02:32.520 | which takes all of Hemingway's from his books,

00:02:36.440 | from his letters, private letters,

00:02:38.260 | from his articles and essays and notebooks,

00:02:42.080 | like everything he's written about the creative process

00:02:43.880 | and boils it into this like short book

00:02:46.180 | on his principles of creativity, just unbelievable.

00:02:48.680 | But before that book came out, I read this piece,

00:02:51.680 | the short thing he'd written about the creative process,

00:02:53.360 | which was essentially,

00:02:54.200 | he'd always leave a sentence unwritten.

00:02:56.360 | He'd end his workday with a sentence like half written.

00:03:00.480 | So leaving with a sense of direction.

00:03:02.480 | And then he would let it go.

00:03:04.560 | You know, he would go out drinking,

00:03:05.680 | he would do all the things that Hemingway did.

00:03:08.480 | And then he returned to it first thing in the morning

00:03:09.920 | and that like unwritten sentence

00:03:11.400 | has become a paragraph and a page in his mind

00:03:13.040 | and it would be a way to hit the ground running.

00:03:15.240 | And that's what really spurred me

00:03:16.840 | to start creating this process in my chess life

00:03:19.720 | of always ending my chess study with something left,

00:03:22.220 | like posing my unconscious a question,

00:03:24.180 | like studying the complexity and then releasing it,

00:03:26.260 | which later became,

00:03:27.320 | and then tapping into it first thing in the morning,

00:03:28.740 | pre-input, which later became my MIQ process.

00:03:31.440 | And then I developed team-wide MIQ processes.

00:03:34.040 | The teams that I work with all have versions of the MIQ

00:03:38.080 | that they utilize as individuals, but then as teams.

00:03:40.320 | And it's an amazing way to develop

00:03:41.560 | a shared consciousness in a team,

00:03:43.120 | to have everybody be able to tap into the question

00:03:46.400 | that's top of mind for every member of their team

00:03:48.520 | or for a leader to be able to be aware

00:03:50.360 | of what is the most important question

00:03:52.360 | for every one of my scientists or my analysts or anything.

00:03:54.600 | It's a really powerful way

00:03:56.540 | to cultivate shared consciousness.

00:03:57.900 | And it becomes our game tape.

00:04:00.100 | Because if we're tracking our MIQs,

00:04:03.760 | let's say I'm studying something for three weeks

00:04:06.060 | or for four weeks.

00:04:07.100 | And what do I think is most,

00:04:10.320 | if I'm tracking the questions that I think

00:04:11.960 | are most critical for that thing

00:04:13.500 | and I'm deepening my analysis of it,

00:04:15.720 | what I arrive at, what I think in day one

00:04:18.480 | will be very different from the MIQ in day 14.

00:04:20.640 | And then we can study the gap.

00:04:22.100 | And then we can study the patterns of the gap, the gaps.

00:04:24.680 | And this is what I call MIQ gap analysis.

00:04:26.840 | So if I'm setting a chess position,

00:04:28.640 | like if I play a chess game against you

00:04:30.480 | and it's incredibly complex,

00:04:32.040 | and I don't quite understand this position,

00:04:34.920 | and then I do a deep, deep analysis of it,

00:04:37.400 | what I'll arrive at after 14 or 16 or 18 hours of study

00:04:41.800 | will be different from what I felt during the game.

00:04:44.920 | Now, what's interesting is,

00:04:46.620 | this is a cool thing about chess study.

00:04:48.280 | If my understanding was here during the chess game,

00:04:51.040 | after like a few hours,

00:04:52.380 | I might be like really far away from that.

00:04:54.560 | But after I've completed the study,

00:04:56.080 | I'll usually be like very similar, but deeper.

00:04:59.640 | So it's often like deeper,

00:05:01.720 | like closer than where you were after a few hours of study,

00:05:04.480 | but it's like a deeper level in.

00:05:06.480 | But what's the gap between that and that,

00:05:09.400 | between where I was in the game

00:05:11.600 | and what are the patterns in the gaps?

00:05:13.220 | And then if you think about those patterns in the gaps

00:05:15.480 | through those lenses of the technical,

00:05:17.320 | the thematic, and the psychological, right?

00:05:20.220 | We deconstruct it in that way.

00:05:22.760 | Then that becomes our game tape, right?

00:05:24.820 | One of the hardest things for mental athletes

00:05:26.520 | is to actually have game tape the way basketball players do,

00:05:28.940 | or foilers do, or fighters do,

00:05:30.980 | where you can see the actual game tape.

00:05:32.480 | We need to create our mental game tape.

00:05:34.460 | So this is a way that I,

00:05:36.020 | it both enhances the creative process

00:05:38.040 | and creates the game tape for the training process.

00:05:40.300 | And then studying the gap analysis we do

00:05:44.200 | reveals what we need to focus our deliberate practice on.

00:05:47.280 | - This difference between physical endeavors

00:05:49.780 | and cognitive endeavors, I think is so key.

00:05:52.240 | Nowadays, most people are involved in cognitive endeavors,

00:05:55.340 | and there's so much,

00:05:56.820 | it's basically like being in a glass house

00:05:58.840 | with windows everywhere.

00:06:00.500 | I mean, social media, texting, windows,

00:06:04.380 | internet connection on the computer.

00:06:05.740 | There's just so many points of entry

00:06:07.200 | and where one can become distracted.

00:06:09.680 | Whereas if you paddle out to ocean,

00:06:11.720 | sure, you could bring your phone perhaps,

00:06:14.360 | but you're limited by the environment

00:06:19.160 | and the need for safety of the number of things

00:06:21.440 | that you can think about.

00:06:22.460 | - Funny, I wore an Apple watch

00:06:24.260 | training a little bit on the ocean,

00:06:25.760 | and it was good for me

00:06:27.520 | 'cause I wanted to align my intuition on speed

00:06:30.220 | with what actually it was showing,

00:06:31.880 | and it was good to calibrate myself.

00:06:33.160 | But man, I took it off.

00:06:35.940 | It's so much better being on the ocean without technology.

00:06:38.600 | - Yeah. - Like being liberated from it.

00:06:40.000 | Tracking, yeah.

00:06:41.760 | - I'm learning to turn stuff off while I work.

00:06:44.760 | I mean, I have had to learn to just fight things back

00:06:48.000 | because when I started in science,

00:06:49.400 | I mean, I didn't have a smartphone.

00:06:50.920 | I didn't have any of that.

00:06:51.960 | And yet one really has to fight nowadays

00:06:54.660 | for their freedom from these interruptions.

00:06:58.280 | So it's something that people really have to cultivate.

00:07:01.720 | So in terms of the structure of that day,

00:07:03.600 | you pose a question for the day,

00:07:05.040 | like the most important question,

00:07:06.200 | would it be like, let's say,

00:07:07.080 | like I'm working on a revision of this book

00:07:09.680 | that I delayed release on

00:07:11.040 | 'cause I wanted to add a bunch of things to it.

00:07:13.020 | So would one say, you know, the most important question is,

00:07:15.440 | you know, how do I finish this book today?

00:07:16.920 | Or is there, I'm guessing it's more conceptual than that.

00:07:20.240 | - I think that you can,

00:07:21.680 | I mean, it's a tool that one can utilize tactically

00:07:24.360 | or strategically, right?

00:07:25.860 | So it can be like, if you're in creative flow,

00:07:28.280 | just leaving yourself with a sense of direction,

00:07:30.120 | or it can actually be zooming out

00:07:31.840 | and thinking about like,

00:07:32.920 | what is the highest order question

00:07:35.960 | that I'm grappling with, right?

00:07:38.680 | But I think it's like one wants to stretch for the,

00:07:40.940 | if one is doing the latter,

00:07:42.420 | the higher order strategic thinking,

00:07:45.240 | it's like, you can think of like,

00:07:47.320 | one is stretching for the question that matters most

00:07:50.160 | with the same kind of intellectual or cognitive intensity

00:07:54.240 | that one is experiencing, for example,

00:07:56.240 | pushing yourself from like 168 to 176

00:07:59.200 | in cardiovascular interval training, right?

00:08:01.680 | Like you're really stretching mentally.

00:08:03.200 | So you need to be at your stretch point.

00:08:04.200 | Growth comes at the point of resistance, right?

00:08:06.400 | So we, like, but intellectually,

00:08:08.960 | we're not used to really feeling

00:08:10.480 | when we're at our stretch point.

00:08:11.480 | So we're thinking about a question,

00:08:12.680 | but that's a question, what's the higher order question?

00:08:14.400 | What's the higher order question?

00:08:15.960 | What's the question that really matters?

00:08:17.240 | And one way to frame it is like,

00:08:18.760 | our mind, if we're good at something,

00:08:19.920 | slices like a knife through butter through most things,

00:08:23.640 | but then there's a place we're stuck.

00:08:25.560 | Like those stuck points are the MIQs.

00:08:28.060 | Those stuck points are like, right?

00:08:29.880 | Like we don't need to wait,

00:08:30.720 | we don't need, like the mind will just get there,

00:08:32.320 | like, oh, but that's the thing.

00:08:34.200 | And then we explore there, like what, how do,

00:08:35.920 | that stretch within that stuck point.

00:08:37.600 | - And that's usually where people,

00:08:39.720 | including myself, pivot away.

00:08:41.520 | I'm thinking outside of the work domain now.

00:08:43.300 | Like, like, ah, like I don't want to think about,

00:08:45.280 | like it's when we tend to,

00:08:46.720 | I noticed that there's an infinite amount

00:08:50.400 | of distraction available nowadays, if we want it.

00:08:53.920 | And, you know, audio books and podcasts,

00:08:56.420 | and I think podcasts are wonderful,

00:08:57.900 | but you know, they can be a source of distraction

00:08:59.860 | from the critical question we need to be asking,

00:09:01.600 | or they can be a source of answers

00:09:02.740 | for perhaps the critical questions we're asking.

00:09:05.180 | But there's just so,

00:09:09.000 | there's so many of these opportunities

00:09:10.960 | to just look away from something that is like a,

00:09:14.360 | it's like a emotional infection.

00:09:16.680 | It's different than an infection in your skin

00:09:18.680 | that's nagging 'cause you can feel it there.

00:09:20.800 | And you want to get that thing out, right?

00:09:22.600 | Very primal instinct, like get that thing out,

00:09:24.960 | get the infection out.

00:09:26.240 | This is like an emotional infection

00:09:27.340 | that you can just kind of not see

00:09:29.560 | if you choose to turn away.

00:09:31.040 | But those are the things that really get you over time.

00:09:34.320 | - That's why we do our cold water training.

00:09:36.000 | Like that's where we like,

00:09:36.880 | we train at living on the other side of pain,

00:09:39.240 | of enjoying it.

00:09:40.480 | Like that place, that place that like itches,

00:09:42.640 | like ah, bounce away from that,

00:09:44.040 | but that's where you need to sit, right?

00:09:47.400 | But we can practice that thematically,

00:09:48.800 | like loving that discomfort,

00:09:50.400 | wanting it, hunting for it,

00:09:51.480 | like finding the place where we're stuck,

00:09:53.040 | and then letting it sit,

00:09:55.080 | and then not bouncing away from it,

00:09:56.360 | but just releasing it and returning to it.

00:09:59.980 | And we have insights, right?

00:10:00.960 | 'Cause often in those moments,

00:10:02.000 | like where we have our insights are,

00:10:05.000 | like when we wake up in the morning,

00:10:06.040 | are in those stuck points.

00:10:07.280 | And I find it's very interesting.

00:10:08.920 | I'm sure you've done this,

00:10:09.920 | like I've done like hundreds of diagnostics

00:10:13.360 | with people on my teams,

00:10:14.800 | like where do they have most of their creative breakthroughs?

00:10:17.600 | And so many of them are in the shower.

00:10:20.080 | It's really interesting.

00:10:20.920 | I think a big part of that is like

00:10:21.760 | the full body somatic immersion

00:10:24.700 | moves them out of conscious thinking,

00:10:26.920 | into like, 'cause their mind is experiencing,

00:10:30.400 | and then the release of the conscious mind

00:10:32.000 | allows the unconscious to run.

00:10:34.040 | And then they tap into it.

00:10:35.280 | - First thing in the morning

00:10:36.160 | is when I get my insights or understanding,

00:10:38.200 | or when the truth hits me square in the face.

00:10:41.280 | Well, like there's no avoiding.

00:10:42.400 | I wake up, I think about like,

00:10:43.440 | "Okay, that's the thing I got to deal with."

00:10:45.080 | And I tend to write it down right away,

00:10:46.800 | try not to write it down on my phone.

00:10:48.520 | I think having a point of capture

00:10:49.880 | that doesn't offer any other distractions,

00:10:52.520 | that's why I'm a big believer in pen and paper.

00:10:54.320 | - I 100% agree with you.

00:10:55.200 | And like, so first of all, I agree.

00:10:56.960 | First thing in the morning, that's the juice.

00:10:58.200 | And the whole MIQ process is geared toward

00:11:00.720 | harnessing that, like tapping into that, right?

00:11:03.480 | Like feeding the mind.

00:11:04.480 | 'Cause that just happened to me so many dozens of times,

00:11:06.720 | where I would just have the insight in the morning,

00:11:08.560 | but then I realized,

00:11:09.480 | I should be finding the areas of stuckness

00:11:11.280 | and feeding it to myself to have the insight about.

00:11:13.840 | So it's like directing that creative process.

00:11:17.240 | But then if we open up our phones,

00:11:18.880 | like if the moment we start to see emails

00:11:20.960 | without reading them or see anything,

00:11:22.840 | we're unconsciously solving for what's in the emails.

00:11:24.880 | - Yeah, it's all stimulus response.

00:11:26.620 | You're going into stimulus.

00:11:27.460 | So if people can start to think about being reflective

00:11:30.400 | versus in stimulus response,

00:11:31.840 | I think that's sort of like the widest binning of all this.

00:11:34.960 | I have to say the shower.

00:11:36.800 | I've talked about this thing

00:11:37.920 | about why people have insights in the shower with my friend.

00:11:40.440 | I'd love to introduce you to him at some point.

00:11:41.880 | We've been friends since we were seven years old.

00:11:44.360 | My friend, Dr. Eddie Chang, he's a neurosurgeon

00:11:46.360 | and the chair of neurosurgery at UCSF.

00:11:47.920 | And he studies speech and language.

00:11:49.880 | And he's taken people with locked-in syndrome

00:11:51.760 | and developed AI algorithms

00:11:53.000 | so that they can speak through a screen

00:11:55.520 | with their face moving in real time

00:11:57.560 | by decoding human speech or human speech cortex.

00:12:00.160 | And a truly brilliant individual.

00:12:02.020 | He's been on this podcast, he'll come back again.

00:12:04.640 | Ask him about the shower thing.

00:12:05.840 | 'Cause he used to work on neuroplasticity

00:12:07.440 | of the auditory system.

00:12:08.640 | We think, we wonder if it's the kind of white noise

00:12:14.320 | of the shower as well.

00:12:15.680 | - Yeah.

00:12:16.540 | - Because Eddie's done beautiful work showing

00:12:18.980 | that it's the signal to noise in the auditory system

00:12:21.500 | that defines whether or not a certain pattern of speech

00:12:24.320 | or auditory cue gets remembered.

00:12:27.140 | So when you have this in the background,

00:12:30.320 | let's just put this in the terms

00:12:31.600 | that we've been referring to this up until now.

00:12:34.040 | The thoughts that surface above that noise

00:12:36.520 | have a big sharp peak relative to the background.

00:12:38.960 | So it's the signal to noise.

00:12:40.340 | Whereas certainly the opposite would be

00:12:42.080 | when you're on your phone and you're scrolling through

00:12:43.700 | and you're looking at all the thoughts and feelings

00:12:45.480 | and stuff of other people.

00:12:47.380 | So how do you capture your own thoughts

00:12:50.200 | in terms of which are, and filter them

00:12:51.920 | through what's meaningful and what's not meaningful

00:12:54.680 | is I think actually a really important question

00:12:57.220 | to begin with.

00:12:58.440 | And white noise background with very deprived,

00:13:03.440 | you know, visual stimulation,

00:13:04.900 | most showers aren't that interesting.

00:13:06.600 | It's white noise, blank walls,

00:13:09.080 | a few things that are familiar to you.

00:13:10.880 | So they basically disappear from your visual field.

00:13:14.240 | And the idea is that thoughts then can,

00:13:16.360 | that are constantly geysering up

00:13:18.220 | through your unconscious mind can be captured

00:13:20.840 | because everything else is noise.

00:13:23.040 | Perhaps this is a hypothesis.

00:13:24.860 | And maybe I'll put you and Eddie together sometime

00:13:26.960 | and just be an observer.

00:13:27.800 | - Yeah, I'd love that.

00:13:29.200 | That's powerful.

00:13:30.400 | - So, I mean, that's how we learn language.

00:13:32.500 | It's the error signals against the background noise.

00:13:35.760 | It's all, that's just how you fix stutter.

00:13:38.320 | It's a, you create background noise.

00:13:41.480 | You increase noise to which actually elevates signal

00:13:44.360 | in the auditory system, oddly, in any case.

00:13:48.720 | - So you found that four and a half hours

00:13:52.760 | was the sweet spot of a focused work,

00:13:54.720 | but for some people, it might be an hour.

00:13:56.400 | They might need to train up that level of focus.

00:13:58.560 | - Well, and if it's four and a half hours,

00:13:59.840 | it's not like that's like a lot,

00:14:01.600 | the rest of the day is feeding into

00:14:04.080 | like those being brilliant, right?

00:14:05.720 | So if it's four and a half hours of creative output time,

00:14:08.080 | then there are other periods where one can do,

00:14:10.000 | have inputs that feed it, right?

00:14:11.860 | I think that's very good for people

00:14:12.800 | to have an awareness of what their energy,

00:14:14.560 | like what their peaks and valleys are

00:14:16.040 | of their energy throughout the day,

00:14:17.640 | and then align their peak creativity work

00:14:19.400 | with their peak energy periods.

00:14:21.000 | I think it's really important

00:14:21.920 | to not be in a constantly reactive state.

00:14:24.600 | One of the things I find fascinating

00:14:25.640 | is how people will have meetings scheduled everywhere,

00:14:27.400 | and then fit their thinking between meetings,

00:14:29.720 | and how liberating it is for them

00:14:31.080 | when they actually now block out their time

00:14:32.880 | for creative output time, right?

00:14:35.040 | Like it might be color-coded in their calendar,

00:14:36.520 | and then have meetings fit around there.

00:14:38.600 | So their day is driven by their self-expression

00:14:42.680 | as opposed to by a constant set of reactivity,

00:14:45.320 | and just more, and more, and more, and more, right?

00:14:47.800 | I think harnessing the undulation of stress and recovery

00:14:50.160 | throughout the day is hugely important.

00:14:52.000 | I think having workouts throughout the day,

00:14:53.320 | even micro-workouts during the day,

00:14:55.320 | meditation periods during the work day,

00:14:56.880 | everything being quality over quantity, right?

00:14:59.480 | We can get so much more done.

00:15:01.700 | And if you think about it,

00:15:03.000 | like, I mean, you talk about like

00:15:05.380 | elite performing competitive teams.

00:15:07.840 | It's all about, like if you saw how much video analysis

00:15:13.840 | and time that the Boston Celtics coaching staff

00:15:16.480 | puts into what ends up being like a 35-second clip

00:15:20.800 | that's shown to a player or the team,

00:15:23.080 | like it's so much work to then the most potent thing, right?

00:15:28.080 | It's like when you're an elite,

00:15:30.240 | because like the players are doing something so intense,

00:15:34.760 | right, like it's all about quality, not quantity.

00:15:38.640 | They're not training basketball 17 hours a day.

00:15:41.120 | They could not possibly play then.

00:15:43.720 | Or they're training brilliantly for like,

00:15:46.800 | you know, maybe an hour and a half a day, brilliantly,

00:15:50.320 | but like scientifically, right?

00:15:52.680 | Or if they're playing for a two and a half

00:15:54.640 | to three hour game, right?

00:15:56.600 | Then what's the way to optimize for that?

00:15:58.180 | You don't stack six hours of training in

00:15:59.840 | before three hour game, no.

00:16:02.200 | So much of it is, you know, body work and setting some tape

00:16:04.680 | and then being primed in the right way

00:16:06.800 | to remember what you're looking at on tape

00:16:09.040 | and then taking breaks and returning to it.

00:16:10.900 | And then you're like understanding exactly

00:16:13.340 | how much load is on your body and your mind

00:16:14.860 | and having your sleep right and your nutrition right

00:16:16.540 | and getting everything optimized

00:16:17.740 | and then being a peak performer when it's on, right?

00:16:20.680 | But we don't have that discipline as mental beings

00:16:23.540 | very often, but we should in our creative process,

00:16:25.940 | in our relationships, right?

00:16:28.140 | In the art of being a mom or a dad or a husband or a wife

00:16:32.500 | or a friend, like why wouldn't we be cultivating ourselves

00:16:35.020 | and being brilliant at that?

00:16:36.660 | Like I really believe in quality as a way of life.

00:16:38.500 | That's another very important principle for me.

00:16:40.620 | That we're either practicing sloppiness

00:16:42.580 | or we're practicing quality.

00:16:44.420 | If we do something shitty, then we're practicing shitty.

00:16:47.860 | And that will, just how like we can harness

00:16:49.740 | the thematic interconnectedness on the positive side,

00:16:52.700 | we can also really harness it brilliantly

00:16:54.060 | on the negative side.

00:16:55.480 | Every time we practice being sloppiness,

00:16:56.980 | we're using thematic interconnectedness

00:16:59.100 | to be sloppy in everything.

00:17:01.260 | I really believe that.

00:17:02.760 | So quality as a way of life is a beautiful way

00:17:04.480 | to practice quality everywhere

00:17:05.580 | 'cause it will manifest everywhere, right?

00:17:08.420 | Not in a way that's like robotic or constrictive.

00:17:10.380 | No, in a way that's self-expressive and beautiful.

00:17:13.180 | - Living one's life like a work of art.

00:17:15.540 | - Yes, beautiful.

00:17:17.180 | Amen.

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