How to Make Yourself Unbreakable

00:00:00.880 | I had a lot of emotional stuff happen to me

00:00:02.720 | in that second deployment.

00:00:04.780 | You know, my idol, Matty Roberts,

00:00:07.600 | I've talked about him a couple of times.

00:00:09.500 | I really, really hung on to that dude.

00:00:12.060 | Like he was my true north, like he was the guy.

00:00:15.540 | And when he got shot up,

00:00:17.280 | when you see it happen, you know,

00:00:21.400 | I think that was the closest call for fire mission

00:00:24.320 | the entire Iraq war.

00:00:26.840 | Like inside of 15 meters.

00:00:29.940 | I mean, Corey, Mike, Mike, my AC-130 gunship.

00:00:31.760 | I mean, it was on top of you.

00:00:33.740 | Like a bell fed machine gun, just chewing us up.

00:00:36.440 | Everybody shot up except for me and one other guy.

00:00:38.520 | And we're all crowded behind this tractor tire.

00:00:41.020 | Just, you felt like a victim.

00:00:42.320 | Like I felt helpless.

00:00:43.440 | You know, I'm getting rounds poured all over me.

00:00:45.280 | And at a certain point you just go,

00:00:47.720 | I'd rather run back into the front of this thing

00:00:50.280 | and get killed with all of them,

00:00:51.900 | than be the lone survivor.

00:00:53.780 | - Welcome to the Huberman Lab Podcast,

00:00:55.720 | where we discuss science

00:00:57.200 | and science-based tools for everyday life.

00:00:59.360 | I'm Andrew Huberman,

00:01:03.780 | and I'm a professor of neurobiology and ophthalmology

00:01:07.000 | at Stanford School of Medicine.

00:01:08.700 | My guest today is DJ Shipley.

00:01:10.920 | DJ Shipley is a retired Navy SEAL

00:01:12.860 | who served for 17 years,

00:01:14.820 | much of that time as a tier one operator,

00:01:16.960 | meaning part of an elite,

00:01:18.020 | highly selective special operation unit within the SEALs.

00:01:21.060 | In recent years, DJ has emerged as a top public educator

00:01:24.540 | on the topics of how to structure your days

00:01:26.380 | to maximize your mindset for sake of physical and mental health,

00:01:30.000 | as well as performance in work or school,

00:01:32.040 | and to best support and build your closest relationships.

00:01:35.380 | As you'll soon learn from DJ,

00:01:36.700 | there are key points in your day

00:01:37.940 | when you can take specific physical steps,

00:01:40.320 | including but not limited to physical exercise,

00:01:43.060 | to shift your mind away from rumination, distraction,

00:01:45.460 | and frustration to a state of immense clarity, focus, and drive.

00:01:49.780 | Through trial and error, DJ has figured out,

00:01:51.820 | and he shares with us,

00:01:53.020 | how that process is done and how you can do it too,

00:01:55.860 | right down to the details.

00:01:57.540 | And what he describes goes way beyond

00:01:59.300 | a standard morning routine or evening routine,

00:02:01.800 | and most importantly, is accessible to all of us.

00:02:04.840 | You also won't hear any cliches or fluff

00:02:06.940 | in today's discussion.

00:02:08.440 | DJ is very specific about what to do and when and how

00:02:11.960 | in order to become the best possible version of yourself.

00:02:14.900 | You'll often hear those words out there,

00:02:16.640 | how to become the best version of yourself

00:02:18.420 | or reach your potential.

00:02:19.820 | But what DJ does so beautifully

00:02:21.780 | is he explains exactly how to do that.

00:02:24.460 | And he shares his story of how he joined

00:02:26.380 | and moved through the SEAL teams and the victories,

00:02:29.140 | but of course, also the immense challenges and losses

00:02:31.760 | that he and his teammates experienced.

00:02:33.940 | We also discuss addiction, PTSD, and depression,

00:02:37.380 | and new paths for overcoming those.

00:02:39.360 | In particular, a new medical treatment, ibogaine,

00:02:41.760 | followed by DMT, and how that's being used

00:02:44.440 | to help veterans overcome addiction, PTSD, and suicidality.

00:02:48.660 | I've paid close attention to that work

00:02:50.140 | over the last five years,

00:02:51.560 | because the brain imaging aspect is being done

00:02:53.480 | by my colleague, Dr. Nolan Williams at Stanford.

00:02:56.200 | I should mention that the ibogaine DMT process we discuss

00:02:59.380 | is not a recreational one.

00:03:00.960 | Rather, it's being done as part of clinical trials

00:03:03.280 | and dedicated research studies.

00:03:05.420 | DJ explains that process firsthand.

00:03:07.880 | And at the same time, I should mention

00:03:09.520 | that ibogaine and DMT are still illegal in the United States.

00:03:12.760 | They are not FDA approved,

00:03:14.500 | so no one should explore their use

00:03:16.120 | outside of these clinical trials.

00:03:18.020 | However, the FDA is looking seriously at these compounds,

00:03:21.040 | and approval for them seems quite likely

00:03:23.180 | in the next 12 months or so.

00:03:24.860 | Today's discussion is one that anybody,

00:03:26.800 | male, female, young, or old, can benefit from.

00:03:29.940 | DJ has immense knowledge, he has immense experience,

00:03:33.480 | and he has an incredible ability to take what he's learned

00:03:36.820 | and turn it into actionable steps

00:03:38.820 | so you can improve your mental health,

00:03:40.440 | physical health, and performance,

00:03:42.000 | and become the best possible version of yourself.

00:03:45.080 | Before we begin, I'd like to emphasize

00:03:46.780 | that this podcast is separate from my teaching

00:03:48.620 | and research roles at Stanford.

00:03:50.260 | It is, however, part of my desire and effort

00:03:52.320 | to bring zero cost to consumer information

00:03:54.180 | about science and science-related tools

00:03:56.080 | to the general public.

00:03:57.420 | In keeping with that theme,

00:03:58.540 | today's episode does include sponsors.

00:04:00.920 | And now for my discussion with DJ Shipley.

00:04:03.760 | DJ Shipley, welcome.

00:04:05.800 | Thank you so much for having me, man.

00:04:07.720 | Let's talk about mental health, physical health,

00:04:10.020 | and spiritual health, but not all at once.

00:04:13.540 | You talk a lot about,

00:04:17.020 | and you post a lot about mental health,

00:04:19.380 | but I've noticed that a lot of that

00:04:22.860 | takes on a sort of a protocol-y approach

00:04:26.140 | where you use physical steps

00:04:28.020 | to approach mental health and vice versa.

00:04:30.860 | So what's your framework on this thing

00:04:32.760 | that we call mental health?

00:04:34.200 | I'm not asking you to solve the mental health crisis

00:04:36.100 | in one swoop,

00:04:36.940 | but when you think about your own mental health,

00:04:38.820 | the people close to you,

00:04:39.660 | people you've worked with in the teams,

00:04:42.140 | you know, how do you approach mental health

00:04:44.680 | as a concept and as an actionable thing?

00:04:47.360 | I've lived so many different stages of my life.

00:04:51.900 | High points and low points

00:04:53.360 | and everything in between.

00:04:54.740 | And at my lowest point,

00:04:56.640 | I had no physical connection.

00:04:58.040 | I was either down hard with an injury,

00:04:59.880 | coming back from surgery,

00:05:01.540 | and then my mental health,

00:05:03.020 | rapid decline right after that.

00:05:04.620 | And for someone who never suffered

00:05:06.540 | from mental health issues,

00:05:08.180 | it's shocking and you feel like

00:05:09.660 | you're the only person going through it,

00:05:11.400 | especially when you come from a subculture

00:05:12.860 | of special operations.

00:05:13.820 | Nobody ever talks about it.

00:05:14.900 | So when you find yourself in that dark room alone,

00:05:17.560 | really contemplating some terrible things,

00:05:20.200 | it's hard to wrap your head around

00:05:21.380 | because you're the only person

00:05:22.460 | that's ever gone through it.

00:05:23.480 | And, you know,

00:05:25.480 | I had some really good strength coaches

00:05:26.860 | and coming back from injuries,

00:05:28.140 | and the better I got physically,

00:05:29.780 | my mental health naturally started

00:05:31.620 | to pull out of it.

00:05:32.440 | And, but everything we did was for the group.

00:05:35.120 | So all my physical attributes,

00:05:37.020 | everything I'm training is for the betterment

00:05:38.760 | of the group.

00:05:39.360 | Now it's betterment of my family,

00:05:41.520 | of my tribe,

00:05:42.200 | of whatever I have.

00:05:43.120 | But, you know,

00:05:44.880 | I talk about this thing,

00:05:45.660 | stacking up micro winds.

00:05:46.720 | My morning routine is structured in a way

00:05:50.540 | to where I can do that same routine

00:05:52.280 | everywhere I go.

00:05:53.680 | Everywhere.

00:05:54.860 | At any point of day,

00:05:55.860 | I can lock that thing in.

00:05:57.020 | But it all starts with an evening routine.

00:05:58.960 | So when my phone goes off at 5 a.m.

00:06:01.620 | and I spring feet out of bed,

00:06:02.700 | I know exactly what I'm going to do

00:06:04.000 | for the next 12 minutes

00:06:05.040 | to put myself in position

00:06:06.180 | to not be stressed.

00:06:07.200 | So I've got to power down my home life

00:06:09.500 | and I've just got to think

00:06:10.240 | about what's coming next.

00:06:11.120 | So playing out the clothes the night before,

00:06:13.180 | my bottle of water is filled,

00:06:15.040 | my pills are out,

00:06:16.000 | my toothbrush is out,

00:06:17.040 | everything is set.

00:06:17.920 | So as soon as I get up,

00:06:19.320 | by the time I get to making

00:06:20.800 | my morning cup of coffee,

00:06:21.760 | I've done 25 things

00:06:23.280 | inside of my control.

00:06:24.940 | Do you know off the top of your head

00:06:26.400 | what those things are right now

00:06:27.500 | that maybe you could just list them off?

00:06:28.620 | You said your alarm clock

00:06:29.660 | goes off 5 a.m.

00:06:30.640 | Yep.

00:06:30.900 | And that's regardless

00:06:32.400 | of when you went to sleep?

00:06:33.400 | Regardless of when I went to sleep.

00:06:34.840 | Typically.

00:06:35.760 | I mean, if I'm out here,

00:06:36.760 | I'm on a different time zone

00:06:37.820 | and I can change it.

00:06:38.780 | But if you get to bed at midnight

00:06:40.320 | or you get to bed at 9 p.m.

00:06:41.660 | or you get to bed at 2 a.m.,

00:06:43.460 | alarm goes off at 5 a.m.,

00:06:44.860 | you're up.

00:06:45.220 | My wife gave me this the other day.

00:06:46.500 | I came home on a red eye.

00:06:47.500 | I didn't walk through the door

00:06:48.860 | until 2.30 in the morning.

00:06:49.900 | And alarm clock goes off at 5

00:06:52.700 | and she rolls over

00:06:53.340 | and she's like,

00:06:53.620 | what are you doing?

00:06:54.220 | I'm going to work.

00:06:55.780 | And she's like,

00:06:56.500 | you can take a day off.

00:06:57.260 | I'm like, no.

00:06:57.820 | I'm not taking a day off.

00:06:59.540 | This last five days

00:07:00.860 | is the first time

00:07:01.700 | in as long as I can,

00:07:04.220 | 20 years,

00:07:04.740 | that I've actually taken

00:07:05.680 | five days of not working out

00:07:06.880 | when I had the physical ability

00:07:08.100 | to do it.

00:07:08.580 | I've never taken five days off

00:07:10.280 | because I'm so afraid

00:07:11.180 | my mental health will drop.

00:07:12.300 | Something will happen

00:07:13.440 | if I leave that routine.

00:07:14.980 | So I wake up,

00:07:15.760 | unplug my phone,

00:07:16.540 | shut off the alarm.

00:07:17.300 | I walk in,

00:07:18.040 | toothpaste on toothbrush.

00:07:19.540 | I go to the bathroom

00:07:20.620 | while I'm brushing my teeth,

00:07:21.680 | spit it out,

00:07:22.340 | all the pills I got to take

00:07:23.380 | in the morning,

00:07:23.820 | you know,

00:07:24.620 | vitamin D,

00:07:25.260 | all the stuff I take.

00:07:26.160 | And then I get dressed.

00:07:27.880 | Left sock,

00:07:28.940 | right sock,

00:07:29.600 | right shoe.

00:07:30.260 | Everything I do,

00:07:31.620 | I do it in a very specific order.

00:07:32.940 | Even the way I put on my bracelets,

00:07:34.760 | if I put them on

00:07:35.820 | in the wrong order,

00:07:36.600 | I'll stop

00:07:37.140 | and I'll de-jock them all

00:07:38.220 | and I'll redawn them

00:07:39.240 | just because that's one simple thing.

00:07:41.140 | I'm not rushed.

00:07:41.900 | I'm not under duress.

00:07:43.020 | I'm in control of this entire timeline

00:07:44.540 | and that way when I get to the kitchen,

00:07:45.880 | I don't feel like I'm frantic.

00:07:47.620 | Where are my keys?

00:07:48.360 | Where's my wallet?

00:07:49.020 | Where's my bag?

00:07:49.760 | Everything's in a system right now

00:07:51.740 | to where I can step in that car.

00:07:53.520 | I'm not stuck behind a school bus.

00:07:55.320 | My car has gas in it.

00:07:56.660 | My phone's at 100%

00:07:57.800 | because we've all been there.

00:07:59.500 | Everybody's a normal person.

00:08:00.540 | I wake up.

00:08:01.220 | My wife wants to have

00:08:02.960 | a 15-minute conversation.

00:08:04.100 | That puts me behind that school bus

00:08:05.700 | and I'm typically not behind.

00:08:06.860 | Now I'm late for my first meeting.

00:08:08.180 | I've got to rush through my workout.

00:08:09.400 | I don't have time to take a shower.

00:08:10.740 | All that is going to cascade.

00:08:12.260 | It's going to put me to be the person

00:08:13.720 | I don't want to be

00:08:14.480 | when I have to walk into that first meeting.

00:08:16.020 | It's like I'm trying to optimize

00:08:17.500 | everything that's within my control

00:08:19.300 | so when I step through the threshold,

00:08:20.820 | this is a DJ that I'm purposely presenting

00:08:23.120 | to you right now under my control.

00:08:25.100 | And that really sets the entire framework

00:08:27.240 | for the whole day of being in a good headspace.

00:08:29.200 | I'm controlling the things that are controllable

00:08:31.280 | and the things that I can't control,

00:08:32.420 | I don't think about them anymore.

00:08:33.980 | I block them out.

00:08:35.460 | I love the regimen

00:08:36.820 | and your adherence to it.

00:08:40.040 | I'm curious about your mindset

00:08:41.700 | when the alarm goes off,

00:08:42.980 | meaning where is your head?

00:08:46.100 | I guess I know you're human

00:08:48.020 | and I understand enough about the brain

00:08:51.480 | to make an assumption,

00:08:52.840 | which is that you don't wake up every morning

00:08:55.180 | with the alarm going off at five thinking,

00:08:57.080 | great, I'm going to get up

00:08:59.140 | and just roll right into the day.

00:09:00.500 | that there may be times

00:09:01.540 | when you consider going into fetal position,

00:09:05.640 | it's warm under those covers,

00:09:08.400 | but also that your mind,

00:09:10.800 | like anyone else's,

00:09:11.520 | you probably start spinning.

00:09:12.420 | It leaps to the past,

00:09:14.040 | leaps to the,

00:09:14.600 | even a little more stress

00:09:16.000 | than you'd like,

00:09:16.620 | a little more lethargy,

00:09:19.260 | this kind of thing.

00:09:19.960 | Do you purposely stack up to-dos

00:09:23.700 | so that you stay out of all of that?

00:09:26.020 | And if some of that persists

00:09:28.420 | as you're brushing your teeth,

00:09:29.880 | what's the way of dealing with that?

00:09:32.240 | I just keep pushing.

00:09:33.520 | I just keep myself in motion the entire time

00:09:36.000 | and I talk about dials not switches a lot with people

00:09:38.480 | and it sounds selfish,

00:09:39.960 | but I have to be selfish right now

00:09:41.500 | in order to be selfless later.

00:09:42.760 | So I tell guys,

00:09:44.080 | as soon as that alarm clock goes off,

00:09:47.380 | I'm not thinking about my wife,

00:09:48.560 | I'm not thinking about my kids,

00:09:49.900 | I'm thinking about being as efficient

00:09:51.120 | as humanly possible

00:09:52.020 | and I'm trying to hit that gym

00:09:53.480 | so I unrack at 0-7,

00:09:55.060 | the best version of me.

00:09:56.700 | And I can't do it

00:09:57.860 | if I'm thinking about a fight

00:09:59.520 | or an argument we have

00:10:00.220 | with the wife the night before,

00:10:01.620 | the kids and this and that.

00:10:03.360 | I have to be selfish right now

00:10:04.980 | because it's the only block

00:10:06.220 | I'm going to have for me

00:10:07.020 | to optimize myself

00:10:08.260 | because at 10 a.m.,

00:10:09.340 | I'm going to get pulled

00:10:10.060 | from 50 different directions.

00:10:11.200 | It's the exact same thing

00:10:12.820 | when I go home.

00:10:13.400 | So now between the hours

00:10:14.900 | of 10 a.m. and 6 p.m.,

00:10:16.260 | I'm only thinking about work.

00:10:17.680 | I don't think about my wife,

00:10:18.700 | don't think about my kids,

00:10:19.600 | I only think about the team

00:10:20.540 | and everything we're trying to do.

00:10:21.600 | At 6,

00:10:22.520 | you can watch it

00:10:24.020 | and I tell everybody,

00:10:24.880 | if you would put a hidden camera

00:10:25.860 | in my car,

00:10:26.340 | it'd break the internet.

00:10:26.980 | I do it every day.

00:10:28.360 | I slam that car in the park.

00:10:29.620 | I put my phone on

00:10:30.540 | Do Not Disturb.

00:10:31.220 | I check social.

00:10:32.120 | I check all my texts.

00:10:33.160 | I'm good.

00:10:33.880 | There's no phone calls

00:10:34.800 | and I've got a 12-minute drive

00:10:35.960 | from door to door.

00:10:36.600 | Those 12 minutes,

00:10:38.020 | I put on Chris Stapleton,

00:10:39.080 | something that makes me feel good,

00:10:40.340 | that calms me down,

00:10:41.180 | and I pre-rehearse

00:10:42.620 | everything that's going to happen

00:10:43.660 | the moment I hit

00:10:44.380 | that garage door opener.

00:10:45.200 | Really?

00:10:46.560 | I do it every single day.

00:10:47.740 | I realize it's personal,

00:10:48.900 | but to the extent

00:10:49.640 | that you're willing,

00:10:50.120 | maybe share a couple

00:10:50.900 | of what you're rehearsing.

00:10:52.340 | I pull onto the driveway,

00:10:54.100 | I slam it back in park,

00:10:55.200 | I check my phone one more time

00:10:56.600 | and I tell myself,

00:10:57.420 | you're only going to have

00:10:58.360 | three hours from six to nine

00:11:00.100 | to be the person

00:11:01.000 | they need you to be.

00:11:01.760 | You've got to be

00:11:02.960 | a full-time dad right now.

00:11:04.160 | You've got to be

00:11:04.420 | a full-time husband

00:11:05.300 | and I don't get it right

00:11:06.180 | every time.

00:11:06.540 | Some days I drag

00:11:07.580 | that stuff home with me

00:11:08.500 | two-hand texting frantically,

00:11:09.860 | but I really try not to

00:11:11.500 | and before I hit

00:11:12.540 | that garage door,

00:11:13.220 | I tell myself,

00:11:13.920 | they don't know

00:11:15.820 | what's going on.

00:11:16.460 | They don't know

00:11:17.040 | the stress you're out at work.

00:11:18.100 | She's had her own day.

00:11:19.460 | They've had their own day.

00:11:20.640 | I've got a daughter

00:11:21.880 | in seventh grade,

00:11:22.500 | I've got another one

00:11:23.100 | in second grade.

00:11:24.120 | We've got to work

00:11:25.820 | through this whole thing

00:11:26.380 | together and it's like,

00:11:27.140 | what version of me

00:11:28.840 | do I want to present

00:11:29.540 | to them right now?

00:11:30.120 | I'm going to walk in,

00:11:31.080 | bags over my right shoulder,

00:11:32.240 | I'm going to clear

00:11:32.700 | the threshold

00:11:33.200 | and make an immediate

00:11:33.860 | 90-degree turn

00:11:34.660 | and there's going to be

00:11:35.140 | that seven-year-old

00:11:35.780 | and she's a huge

00:11:37.240 | ball of energy.

00:11:37.880 | She gets all shaking,

00:11:38.920 | she runs at me

00:11:39.700 | at full blast

00:11:40.380 | and I pick her up,

00:11:41.060 | shake her,

00:11:41.620 | kiss her,

00:11:42.020 | like 100% love.

00:11:43.240 | Take an immediate

00:11:44.240 | right in the kitchen,

00:11:44.920 | there's my oldest,

00:11:45.800 | usually eating something

00:11:46.720 | before homework's

00:11:47.360 | about to start.

00:11:48.300 | Give her a kiss,

00:11:49.020 | give her a hug,

00:11:49.540 | ask her how her day was,

00:11:50.500 | straight to the room

00:11:51.580 | to see my wife

00:11:52.420 | because she gets

00:11:53.960 | like a 30-minute buffer

00:11:54.880 | before she has to go upstairs

00:11:55.940 | and lock in

00:11:56.500 | with seventh grade homework.

00:11:57.400 | Check her,

00:11:58.500 | what do you need?

00:11:59.160 | If you can fold the towels,

00:12:00.680 | if you can start dinner,

00:12:01.520 | done, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom.

00:12:03.400 | So my last interaction

00:12:04.980 | in the morning

00:12:05.500 | was positive.

00:12:06.140 | I left on a positive note.

00:12:07.660 | The first interaction

00:12:08.620 | you're getting

00:12:08.920 | at the end of the day

00:12:09.540 | is in a positive note

00:12:10.580 | and regardless

00:12:11.360 | of how I'm feeling,

00:12:12.200 | if I have to fake it,

00:12:13.420 | I'll fake it.

00:12:14.140 | I got three hours

00:12:15.600 | and if you space out

00:12:16.540 | over the course

00:12:16.960 | of the five days,

00:12:17.700 | I don't have a lot of time

00:12:19.060 | to make positive memories

00:12:20.480 | just because of work

00:12:21.960 | and stress

00:12:22.540 | and everything else.

00:12:23.080 | I'm trying to maximize

00:12:23.960 | those three hours

00:12:24.940 | and then when I do,

00:12:26.120 | it feels like

00:12:27.840 | you can do no wrong

00:12:28.660 | but every night

00:12:29.740 | after we finish dinner,

00:12:30.840 | me and my wife

00:12:31.340 | do a 20-minute walk.

00:12:32.100 | 10 minutes for her.

00:12:34.360 | So as soon as we start it,

00:12:35.460 | tell me about your day.

00:12:36.200 | Everything she wants

00:12:37.260 | to vent through,

00:12:37.860 | everything we get

00:12:38.560 | to get caught up on,

00:12:39.260 | we get the halfway mark

00:12:40.560 | right around this park

00:12:41.360 | and then it's my turn

00:12:42.220 | for 10 minutes.

00:12:43.260 | Average human

00:12:44.780 | can walk a mile

00:12:45.420 | in 20 minutes.

00:12:46.060 | Helps circadian rhythm,

00:12:47.760 | helps digestion.

00:12:48.600 | I mean, mental clarity,

00:12:49.920 | I'm not on my phone,

00:12:50.760 | there's no stimulus.

00:12:51.580 | I mean, I'm watching

00:12:52.600 | the sun set.

00:12:53.300 | But now it's 20 minutes

00:12:55.020 | just for us to reconnect

00:12:56.120 | and we do it

00:12:56.540 | every single day

00:12:57.260 | unless it's a torrential downpour.

00:12:59.040 | We're doing it

00:12:59.940 | every single night

00:13:00.480 | and our marriage

00:13:01.480 | has never been better.

00:13:02.100 | My physical health

00:13:02.860 | has never been better.

00:13:03.520 | And then my time

00:13:04.620 | with my kids,

00:13:05.180 | I can be accountable

00:13:05.920 | for every single minute

00:13:07.140 | in my day.

00:13:07.660 | Did I maximize

00:13:08.780 | that opportunity?

00:13:09.380 | No.

00:13:10.440 | Why?

00:13:11.020 | Because I drug that dude

00:13:12.340 | home with me

00:13:12.840 | from 2.30 in the afternoon.

00:13:14.840 | I drug him all the way

00:13:15.720 | home until 6.

00:13:16.380 | That's not who they need.

00:13:17.700 | They don't need a commando.

00:13:18.920 | They don't need

00:13:19.400 | a business owner.

00:13:20.180 | They don't need

00:13:20.560 | an entrepreneur.

00:13:21.000 | They need a dude

00:13:21.720 | that's going to have

00:13:22.120 | a tea party right now

00:13:23.120 | or a guy that's going

00:13:24.120 | to talk about

00:13:24.600 | how difficult

00:13:25.140 | navigating 7th grade is.

00:13:27.160 | Like she really

00:13:27.760 | needs a husband

00:13:28.280 | that's going to be

00:13:28.720 | fully present

00:13:29.280 | because I haven't been

00:13:30.140 | for the majority

00:13:31.320 | of our marriage.

00:13:31.800 | I've been gone

00:13:32.340 | 300 days out of the year.

00:13:33.560 | She really just needs

00:13:34.680 | a buddy who's going

00:13:35.640 | to help parent.

00:13:36.660 | And if I'm not mentally

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00:16:25.900 | What an awesome example.

00:16:28.120 | And the two dues

00:16:29.660 | are super impressive.

00:16:31.080 | I wonder if we could just explore

00:16:32.960 | a little bit of the to not dues.

00:16:35.700 | A lot of what you described,

00:16:37.600 | it's clear requires

00:16:39.100 | having the phone away.

00:16:40.380 | I mean,

00:16:41.180 | I could go on and on about phones,

00:16:43.720 | but the incoming is incessant,

00:16:48.160 | and the temptation

00:16:50.420 | is really tough to deal with.

00:16:51.940 | So when you walk in the door,

00:16:53.440 | because you're with family,

00:16:54.560 | phone is in the car

00:16:55.760 | or it's just shut off.

00:16:56.720 | During the day

00:16:58.120 | when you're going about your work,

00:17:00.340 | is it understood

00:17:01.480 | that if your wife

00:17:02.680 | wants to get a hold of you,

00:17:03.680 | she can,

00:17:04.400 | but that there's

00:17:05.560 | a high threshold for that?

00:17:06.840 | Because I think a lot of couples

00:17:08.400 | get into, you know,

00:17:09.540 | like just pinging each other

00:17:10.700 | here and there,

00:17:11.280 | this and that.

00:17:12.440 | Even in business teams,

00:17:13.620 | there's a lot of

00:17:14.320 | unnecessary communication.

00:17:15.620 | I'm fortunate now

00:17:17.200 | that my wife actually works

00:17:18.200 | inside the business

00:17:18.860 | so she gets it

00:17:19.600 | and she knows that

00:17:20.460 | once I lock in,

00:17:21.480 | when that camera turns on,

00:17:22.620 | that microphone goes on,

00:17:23.880 | you got to leave me alone.

00:17:25.140 | And I tell people,

00:17:26.240 | like,

00:17:26.400 | I'm not trained to do this.

00:17:27.800 | I'm a normal dude,

00:17:28.700 | so I'm really susceptible

00:17:30.320 | to negative energy

00:17:31.120 | and they know better.

00:17:32.140 | Don't slam me

00:17:33.160 | with something negative

00:17:33.820 | before I have to turn

00:17:34.480 | that microphone on

00:17:35.160 | because I'm not going to be able

00:17:36.260 | to compartmentalize it

00:17:37.080 | all the way.

00:17:37.860 | I need to be the best version

00:17:39.000 | of me right now,

00:17:39.560 | so wait till I'm done

00:17:40.740 | and then deliver the bad news.

00:17:41.920 | And she's the same way.

00:17:43.320 | She's an absolute gangster

00:17:44.880 | and she knows.

00:17:46.020 | She's like,

00:17:46.720 | hey,

00:17:46.820 | when you get done today,

00:17:47.400 | we got to talk.

00:17:47.880 | I'm like,

00:17:48.080 | what is it?

00:17:48.740 | And she's like,

00:17:49.000 | nothing bad.

00:17:49.420 | It'll definitely be something bad,

00:17:50.900 | but she doesn't even give me

00:17:52.100 | an inkling because she knows

00:17:53.200 | it'll rob me of bandwidth.

00:17:54.080 | She's like,

00:17:54.780 | go do what you do.

00:17:55.400 | As soon as you get done,

00:17:56.480 | we'll talk.

00:17:56.800 | And on that 20-minute walk,

00:17:57.680 | she'll drop it.

00:17:58.280 | But now we're here.

00:17:59.420 | I'm in a clear head space.

00:18:00.440 | I've had a productive day.

00:18:01.920 | We've had a great 10 minutes

00:18:03.180 | into this.

00:18:03.680 | Now he went to bad news.

00:18:05.100 | Last 10 minutes,

00:18:05.900 | we'll solve it together.

00:18:06.600 | But not get on that social media

00:18:08.600 | first thing in the morning.

00:18:09.280 | I used to be the guy.

00:18:10.260 | I'd roll over.

00:18:10.980 | I immediately open up Instagram

00:18:12.540 | and I'm checking it.

00:18:13.300 | What are the comments?

00:18:14.280 | How's the posting doing?

00:18:15.180 | How's this?

00:18:15.640 | How's that?

00:18:16.100 | You'll stay there for 40 minutes.

00:18:18.020 | And then if you see

00:18:19.220 | something negative,

00:18:19.840 | I'll ride that.

00:18:20.940 | I'll wear that jacket

00:18:21.820 | all day long.

00:18:22.580 | I can't get it away from me.

00:18:23.960 | So I don't take a Zoom call.

00:18:25.640 | I don't take a phone call.

00:18:26.580 | There's nothing that happens

00:18:27.740 | inside of my orbit

00:18:28.660 | before 10 a.m.

00:18:29.880 | from 7 to 10.

00:18:30.800 | That's my morning block.

00:18:31.960 | I've got the whole team in there.

00:18:33.060 | We do fitness from 7 to 9.

00:18:34.700 | I make them all do

00:18:35.420 | a 20-minute walk.

00:18:36.180 | I make the whole team

00:18:37.080 | protein shakes.

00:18:37.760 | I take a shower

00:18:38.740 | and at 10 a.m.

00:18:39.340 | I walk out.

00:18:39.960 | Hit me with it.

00:18:41.540 | What have we got to do?

00:18:42.300 | We're going to range

00:18:43.140 | and my training

00:18:43.740 | and we're shooting content.

00:18:45.080 | What are we doing right now?

00:18:46.360 | You have full bandwidth

00:18:47.240 | until I leave here.

00:18:48.140 | And if I run till midnight,

00:18:49.780 | we run till midnight.

00:18:50.540 | But you have both barrels

00:18:51.700 | with me at 100%

00:18:52.920 | because I've controlled

00:18:53.980 | that entire morning routine.

00:18:55.140 | And it's been the best thing

00:18:56.580 | that's ever happened to us.

00:18:58.060 | But you've got to be consistent.

00:19:00.260 | It's like everything else.

00:19:01.180 | What's the best diet?

00:19:02.060 | The one you'll stick to.

00:19:03.000 | And that morning routine

00:19:04.500 | has been the biggest

00:19:05.380 | game changer I've had.

00:19:06.200 | That's awesome.

00:19:08.140 | I feel like the teams

00:19:10.760 | and I've been fortunate

00:19:11.740 | to know and work

00:19:13.360 | with some folks

00:19:13.960 | from the teams

00:19:15.160 | seem to have

00:19:16.660 | what I call

00:19:17.420 | kind of an unconscious genius

00:19:18.740 | like as a whole,

00:19:20.620 | as a system.

00:19:21.440 | We could talk about buds.

00:19:23.060 | We could talk about selection

00:19:24.260 | for tier one stuff.

00:19:25.520 | We could talk about any of that

00:19:27.080 | and we will.

00:19:28.080 | But it seems to me

00:19:29.460 | that a lot of the practices

00:19:30.820 | that are built up

00:19:31.740 | in the teams

00:19:33.120 | and in team guys

00:19:34.400 | who are successful

00:19:35.040 | when they transition out

00:19:36.240 | are built around this notion

00:19:38.740 | I just call

00:19:39.720 | unconscious genius

00:19:40.520 | where they weren't thinking about

00:19:41.460 | like what's the underlying

00:19:42.240 | neural circuitry

00:19:43.020 | or this and that.

00:19:43.560 | And everything you describe,

00:19:45.240 | by the way,

00:19:46.340 | is extremely actionable

00:19:47.480 | for anybody.

00:19:48.120 | I love that you told us

00:19:49.660 | and I'm going to underscore this,

00:19:51.020 | highlight it,

00:19:51.640 | and bold it right now

00:19:52.700 | is that it doesn't matter

00:19:53.780 | if you went to bed

00:19:54.260 | at 2.30 a.m.

00:19:55.200 | or you went to bed

00:19:55.900 | at midnight.

00:19:56.260 | You're getting up

00:19:57.060 | at the same time.

00:19:57.760 | It's actually critical

00:19:58.680 | for keeping sleep rhythms

00:20:00.100 | healthy

00:20:00.700 | and one thing

00:20:01.920 | from the literature

00:20:02.460 | I'll just share

00:20:03.120 | is that it's clear

00:20:04.360 | that if people

00:20:06.280 | have the same wake-up time

00:20:07.200 | each day

00:20:07.700 | that whatever sleep

00:20:09.200 | they get prior

00:20:09.780 | to that wake-up time

00:20:10.660 | you get the maximum amount

00:20:12.220 | of growth hormone release

00:20:13.340 | that's possible

00:20:14.160 | which is of course

00:20:14.900 | crucial for recovery

00:20:16.260 | not just growing muscles

00:20:17.400 | but recovery, etc.

00:20:18.300 | So there's that.

00:20:20.420 | You guys came to that.

00:20:21.240 | There's that kind of

00:20:22.020 | you didn't need to know

00:20:22.860 | the science.

00:20:23.300 | You just arrived at it.

00:20:24.520 | But also

00:20:25.400 | the brain

00:20:26.920 | is so context-dependent

00:20:28.820 | and throughout

00:20:30.040 | your description

00:20:30.620 | I'm hearing that

00:20:31.460 | you'll wear that jacket

00:20:33.260 | all day long

00:20:33.820 | like it can pull you in.

00:20:34.840 | I mean you're

00:20:35.220 | a strong-minded individual

00:20:36.160 | you know how to control

00:20:36.900 | your own behavior clearly

00:20:38.020 | but you are susceptible

00:20:40.120 | like anybody else

00:20:41.160 | and I always think

00:20:42.220 | of mental states

00:20:43.440 | as that

00:20:44.360 | we can either be

00:20:45.740 | like a ball bearing

00:20:46.380 | on a flat surface

00:20:47.220 | where that ball bearing

00:20:47.980 | can go anywhere

00:20:48.600 | with even just

00:20:49.200 | the slightest tilt

00:20:49.940 | or even a breeze

00:20:50.700 | versus little dimples

00:20:53.420 | in that surface

00:20:54.200 | where it can kind of reside

00:20:55.480 | but it can get blown out

00:20:56.480 | or pushed out easily

00:20:57.400 | and ultimately

00:20:58.300 | what we're all seeking

00:20:59.220 | is to drop

00:20:59.960 | like a ball bearing

00:21:00.660 | into a trench

00:21:01.400 | and rage bait

00:21:03.620 | and numbing out

00:21:05.280 | which are the two

00:21:06.780 | kind of core features

00:21:08.080 | of social media

00:21:09.040 | except there's this

00:21:10.260 | other opportunity

00:21:10.920 | to learn

00:21:11.300 | I feel like

00:21:12.020 | those drop us

00:21:14.380 | immediately

00:21:14.700 | into that trench

00:21:15.520 | and so

00:21:15.920 | I feel like

00:21:16.520 | our brain wants

00:21:17.560 | to be the ball bearing

00:21:18.360 | at the bottom

00:21:18.780 | of that trench

00:21:19.380 | but it's tempting

00:21:21.900 | to not do the work

00:21:23.520 | to get there

00:21:24.140 | and so

00:21:25.140 | there are things

00:21:25.760 | in the world

00:21:26.400 | highly processed

00:21:27.740 | highly palatable foods

00:21:28.940 | you know

00:21:30.160 | certain aspects

00:21:31.260 | of social media

00:21:32.020 | because I don't think

00:21:32.600 | all of it is unhealthy

00:21:33.420 | that provide that opportunity

00:21:35.040 | to drop into that trench

00:21:36.200 | and so clearly

00:21:36.840 | the unconscious genius

00:21:38.640 | here

00:21:39.040 | is that you arrived

00:21:41.000 | at

00:21:41.220 | it seems

00:21:42.180 | an understanding

00:21:42.880 | that you're very

00:21:43.480 | context dependent

00:21:44.440 | you know

00:21:45.240 | it's not that

00:21:45.840 | you're so robust

00:21:46.740 | internally

00:21:47.280 | that

00:21:48.400 | you can throw

00:21:49.660 | anything your way

00:21:50.440 | it's exactly

00:21:51.220 | because you're

00:21:52.080 | if I may

00:21:52.960 | you're not

00:21:53.640 | that robust

00:21:54.660 | internally

00:21:55.140 | that you understand

00:21:55.900 | the brain

00:21:56.340 | that you can't

00:21:57.300 | let anything

00:21:57.720 | come your way

00:21:58.260 | but if you set

00:21:59.100 | the context

00:21:59.780 | internally

00:22:00.420 | then the rest

00:22:01.480 | of your day

00:22:02.080 | is

00:22:02.960 | maybe not a breeze

00:22:04.060 | but it's workable

00:22:05.060 | and you'll stay

00:22:06.240 | that ball bearing

00:22:06.960 | in the trench

00:22:07.580 | that you're

00:22:08.260 | determining

00:22:08.960 | do I have that right?

00:22:09.860 | exactly

00:22:10.280 | okay

00:22:10.820 | so I think

00:22:11.520 | this is important

00:22:12.040 | because I think

00:22:12.540 | a lot of people

00:22:13.100 | hear about

00:22:13.980 | special operators

00:22:15.500 | and high performers

00:22:16.340 | and their structure

00:22:17.560 | and their routine

00:22:18.080 | and they assume

00:22:18.760 | they wake up

00:22:19.360 | and they're like

00:22:19.820 | into the day

00:22:20.720 | nothing's gonna bother me

00:22:22.220 | it's because things

00:22:23.220 | have the potential

00:22:24.540 | to bother you

00:22:25.220 | that you have to

00:22:25.760 | structure it that way

00:22:26.540 | okay

00:22:27.460 | for me that's

00:22:28.820 | very helpful to hear

00:22:29.640 | and I think

00:22:31.360 | you're also defining

00:22:32.060 | the difference

00:22:32.480 | between an artist

00:22:34.180 | I know a lot of artists

00:22:35.180 | who need it

00:22:35.760 | they kind of float

00:22:36.480 | about their day

00:22:37.120 | they're two hours

00:22:37.780 | late to things

00:22:38.460 | and then the stuff

00:22:39.520 | emerges right

00:22:40.420 | I mean I

00:22:40.880 | can tell you stories

00:22:42.160 | about people in Los Angeles

00:22:43.760 | and how meeting times

00:22:44.820 | and I'm a little guilty

00:22:45.700 | of this

00:22:45.920 | but it's incredible

00:22:47.360 | the way that things

00:22:48.140 | just kind of

00:22:48.680 | orbit around certain people

00:22:50.560 | and then they're

00:22:51.060 | but then they bring

00:22:51.940 | the magic

00:22:52.460 | and so the world

00:22:53.380 | continues to orbit

00:22:54.560 | around them

00:22:55.200 | versus an operator

00:22:57.200 | and I feel like

00:22:58.420 | everything you described

00:22:59.160 | is like the essence

00:22:59.880 | of being an operator

00:23:00.760 | you're approaching

00:23:01.480 | your civilian life

00:23:02.340 | the same way

00:23:02.980 | presumably you did

00:23:03.920 | your operating life

00:23:05.180 | so

00:23:05.460 | let's say you

00:23:08.500 | have a morning

00:23:10.120 | where something

00:23:10.860 | goes wrong

00:23:11.540 | there's no toothpaste

00:23:13.000 | in the toothbrush

00:23:13.560 | or something

00:23:14.480 | more serious

00:23:15.060 | like your wife

00:23:15.940 | really needs to talk

00:23:16.780 | about something

00:23:17.200 | maybe she's so

00:23:18.080 | you know

00:23:18.560 | together

00:23:20.140 | that that never happens

00:23:21.340 | will you forgo

00:23:22.720 | those minutes

00:23:23.400 | or do you make

00:23:24.460 | or how do you

00:23:25.800 | deal with that

00:23:26.580 | the situation

00:23:27.760 | really dictates

00:23:28.640 | when I was in

00:23:30.240 | I wouldn't

00:23:30.820 | I'd wake up

00:23:31.920 | before everybody

00:23:32.580 | else is in there

00:23:33.160 | and it's a lot

00:23:34.280 | of stuff

00:23:34.500 | I tell the new guys

00:23:35.300 | in special operations

00:23:36.060 | like if you

00:23:37.320 | sacrifice your sleep

00:23:38.840 | when it doesn't

00:23:39.700 | affect anyone else

00:23:40.700 | you can really

00:23:41.500 | lay the foundation

00:23:42.220 | for greatness

00:23:42.920 | right

00:23:43.680 | your first four years

00:23:44.940 | don't rush to make

00:23:45.740 | her your girlfriend

00:23:46.280 | don't make her your wife

00:23:47.240 | don't have a kid

00:23:47.920 | don't get a dog

00:23:48.660 | just focus on being

00:23:49.940 | a green beret

00:23:50.580 | focus on being

00:23:51.760 | a navy seal

00:23:52.420 | and just do that

00:23:53.460 | then when that

00:23:54.300 | girlfriend turns

00:23:54.980 | in her fiance

00:23:55.520 | you can have the

00:23:56.600 | bandwidth to do

00:23:57.160 | them both

00:23:57.540 | it's very hard

00:23:58.300 | to do that job

00:23:59.000 | you know

00:23:59.600 | build that

00:24:00.080 | build that boat

00:24:01.000 | at the high seas

00:24:01.760 | and now you're

00:24:02.500 | dragging your wife

00:24:03.100 | into it

00:24:03.480 | it's hard to do

00:24:04.340 | but you know

00:24:05.760 | situation dictates

00:24:07.120 | if it's something

00:24:07.480 | I really have to solve

00:24:08.460 | we really have to

00:24:09.240 | solve it

00:24:09.560 | but she knows

00:24:10.120 | no matter what

00:24:10.940 | I'm unracking

00:24:11.620 | at zero seven

00:24:12.220 | I'm not missing

00:24:14.060 | this for you

00:24:14.440 | I'm not missing

00:24:14.920 | it for anybody else

00:24:15.420 | because she knows

00:24:16.080 | what's going to happen

00:24:16.720 | so she'll either

00:24:17.940 | grab me at lunch

00:24:18.660 | hey do you have

00:24:19.240 | a block here

00:24:19.680 | we can talk

00:24:20.080 | for sure

00:24:20.680 | we'll maybe

00:24:21.440 | start the initial

00:24:22.060 | conversation

00:24:22.640 | if it starts

00:24:23.260 | going south

00:24:23.920 | or I think

00:24:24.280 | it's going to

00:24:24.560 | take long

00:24:24.960 | I'll look down

00:24:25.880 | at my watch

00:24:26.260 | honey I gotta go

00:24:27.760 | I got 12 minutes

00:24:28.560 | to be there

00:24:28.880 | she's like okay

00:24:29.900 | we'll catch up

00:24:30.560 | at lunch

00:24:30.820 | cool

00:24:31.400 | and we'll go

00:24:32.000 | I can't miss

00:24:33.300 | morning movement

00:24:34.000 | I can't do it

00:24:34.820 | that will ruin

00:24:36.340 | my day

00:24:36.820 | and if I'm rushed

00:24:38.420 | through morning movement

00:24:39.140 | if somebody comes in

00:24:40.220 | somebody beats

00:24:41.220 | on the door

00:24:41.600 | and they're like

00:24:41.900 | hey we were

00:24:42.380 | in the neighborhood

00:24:42.820 | just wanted to

00:24:43.280 | come see you

00:24:43.700 | can we talk

00:24:44.080 | for 20 minutes

00:24:44.620 | no

00:24:45.160 | you can't

00:24:46.880 | no

00:24:47.160 | I'm sorry

00:24:48.660 | and I know

00:24:49.640 | it sounds bad

00:24:50.480 | you can't

00:24:51.820 | because I know

00:24:52.360 | what happens

00:24:52.720 | if I miss this day

00:24:53.480 | and I'm not willing

00:24:54.420 | to take the chance

00:24:54.940 | on you right now

00:24:55.400 | you can wait an hour

00:24:56.180 | wait till I'm done

00:24:57.320 | but it's hard

00:24:58.760 | you know

00:24:59.140 | and now we've

00:25:00.400 | kind of restructured

00:25:01.040 | the whole day

00:25:01.620 | to where I can get

00:25:02.820 | my time in

00:25:03.540 | in the morning

00:25:03.900 | and I can leave

00:25:04.660 | with just enough time

00:25:05.500 | to see my kids

00:25:06.240 | wake up now

00:25:06.880 | they're pouring cereal

00:25:08.140 | so now I get that

00:25:08.900 | little dopamine hit

00:25:09.780 | of seeing them

00:25:10.380 | and I kick off

00:25:10.960 | their morning

00:25:11.540 | in a positive way

00:25:12.400 | right I'm doing

00:25:13.360 | red light therapy

00:25:14.020 | in the morning

00:25:14.540 | I'm still gonna

00:25:15.260 | unrack at 0-7

00:25:16.220 | I'm still getting up

00:25:16.880 | at 5

00:25:17.320 | but now I'm just

00:25:18.240 | in the house

00:25:18.960 | getting everything

00:25:19.980 | processed

00:25:20.520 | I'm gonna leave

00:25:21.640 | on my terms

00:25:22.320 | and that way

00:25:22.740 | they get to see me

00:25:23.400 | first thing in the morning

00:25:24.080 | I only get 3 hours

00:25:25.240 | at night

00:25:25.580 | well if I get 30 minutes

00:25:26.900 | in the morning

00:25:27.360 | stack it over the course

00:25:28.980 | of a year

00:25:29.380 | that's a huge difference

00:25:30.640 | we've restructured

00:25:32.060 | the entire day

00:25:32.680 | but the whole team

00:25:33.400 | is also on that

00:25:34.220 | exact same schedule

00:25:35.040 | it's not just me

00:25:36.900 | it's not just my world

00:25:37.880 | business partners

00:25:39.080 | Cole and everybody else

00:25:40.120 | everybody who does

00:25:40.660 | that morning block

00:25:41.340 | of fitness

00:25:41.720 | that's why I've been

00:25:42.380 | pushing this whole time

00:25:43.320 | if you look at

00:25:44.680 | anybody in the military

00:25:46.300 | anybody in the fire department

00:25:47.540 | anybody in special operations

00:25:48.740 | the military in general

00:25:49.740 | everybody's day

00:25:51.040 | always starts with fitness

00:25:52.400 | when you're in boot camp

00:25:53.440 | you wake up

00:25:54.380 | you do a workout

00:25:55.220 | and then you eat

00:25:55.960 | when you go into buds

00:25:57.100 | you wake up

00:25:57.700 | you work out

00:25:58.280 | essentially all day long

00:25:59.300 | go to sleep

00:26:00.300 | it's the same thing

00:26:01.760 | when you get to the SEAL team

00:26:02.960 | you do the same thing

00:26:03.880 | everybody wakes up

00:26:04.740 | everybody does fitness

00:26:05.580 | the very first thing

00:26:06.500 | and then we start our day

00:26:07.680 | it's been really successful

00:26:09.560 | why would I ever break that

00:26:10.700 | you see guys

00:26:11.960 | when they transition out

00:26:12.700 | they get away from it

00:26:13.400 | they gain a bunch of weight

00:26:14.280 | they start drinking

00:26:15.080 | you working out

00:26:16.300 | five days a week

00:26:16.820 | no

00:26:17.280 | why

00:26:18.000 | you've been doing it

00:26:19.080 | since you were 17 years old

00:26:20.440 | why would you break it now

00:26:21.600 | why

00:26:22.660 | yeah why do you think

00:26:23.580 | that that happens

00:26:24.520 | I think guys use excuses

00:26:26.600 | injuries

00:26:27.380 | limitations

00:26:28.180 | lack of motivation

00:26:29.360 | like oh there's no reason

00:26:30.280 | for me to be in shape

00:26:31.120 | longevity of life

00:26:32.760 | everybody says

00:26:34.000 | oh I take a bullet for my kids

00:26:35.440 | you won't lose 40 pounds for them

00:26:37.620 | you won't prolong life

00:26:39.460 | if you think you're

00:26:40.180 | a real asset to your family

00:26:41.300 | why wouldn't you try

00:26:42.140 | to maximize that time

00:26:43.440 | so I look at them out

00:26:44.900 | it doesn't take a whole lot

00:26:46.300 | like you don't have to be

00:26:47.160 | David Goggins

00:26:47.780 | you don't have to run

00:26:48.400 | 100 miles a day

00:26:49.460 | you can wake up

00:26:50.760 | and do a 20 minute walk

00:26:51.780 | every single day

00:26:52.340 | and you'll be better off for it

00:26:53.360 | you can grab a set of kettlebells

00:26:55.220 | 30 minutes in your garage

00:26:56.680 | that is something

00:26:58.020 | every single day

00:26:58.820 | that makes you exponentially better

00:27:00.120 | just through the repetition

00:27:01.000 | of being there

00:27:01.740 | being present

00:27:02.740 | being a little selfish right now

00:27:03.900 | so you can be selfish later

00:27:05.400 | so for me

00:27:06.520 | if I don't get that workout in

00:27:07.680 | and everybody's got stuff going on

00:27:10.580 | and I do too

00:27:11.020 | if I don't get that block

00:27:12.720 | of fitness in

00:27:13.260 | I will think about that

00:27:14.540 | all day long

00:27:16.060 | I'll think about it for weeks

00:27:17.640 | we go back

00:27:18.860 | the next time we hit

00:27:19.760 | that muscle group

00:27:20.860 | I don't get the same numbers

00:27:22.340 | I thought I would

00:27:22.980 | well that's because

00:27:23.480 | I took Monday off

00:27:24.220 | I'm never going to put myself

00:27:25.820 | in that position

00:27:26.340 | I don't want to have

00:27:27.300 | to have an excuse

00:27:27.840 | so I just set the foundation

00:27:29.100 | I lay it down

00:27:29.880 | I stamped it on a piece of paper

00:27:31.000 | that's what I'm doing

00:27:31.820 | I'm not compromising on it

00:27:33.680 | and it's been

00:27:34.920 | it's been great for us

00:27:35.940 | that's awesome

00:27:37.540 | I mean as somebody

00:27:38.400 | who got into resistance training

00:27:39.960 | in his teens

00:27:40.700 | and running

00:27:41.900 | I confess over the years

00:27:44.560 | I felt some guilt

00:27:45.460 | around working out

00:27:47.320 | because in my community

00:27:48.480 | of scientists

00:27:49.260 | I mean now I have

00:27:49.920 | a much broader community

00:27:50.940 | you know you go to meetings

00:27:52.220 | everyone's sitting all day

00:27:53.240 | and eating bad food

00:27:55.060 | and then you know

00:27:56.340 | and then it was happy hour

00:27:57.640 | I was never much of a drinker

00:28:00.200 | but I would participate a bit

00:28:01.360 | until eventually

00:28:02.140 | I just stopped

00:28:02.920 | drinking entirely

00:28:05.040 | and occasionally

00:28:06.320 | I would sneak off

00:28:07.140 | during some of the

00:28:07.900 | I'll just be honest

00:28:09.080 | the weak talks

00:28:10.100 | I was like

00:28:10.460 | I've seen this person speak before

00:28:12.120 | I'm going to get a workout in

00:28:13.140 | and only once

00:28:14.580 | did I ever run into a colleague

00:28:15.840 | in the gym

00:28:16.300 | at one of these places

00:28:17.180 | and we both were like

00:28:18.300 | it was like getting caught

00:28:19.260 | doing something bad

00:28:20.160 | but then the years went by

00:28:22.040 | and I saw my colleagues

00:28:22.780 | start to die

00:28:23.440 | I saw my colleagues

00:28:24.580 | start to get sick

00:28:25.380 | I saw my colleagues

00:28:26.940 | start to resemble

00:28:27.700 | melted candles

00:28:28.580 | and these were people

00:28:29.480 | that had a lot of robustness

00:28:32.140 | and they also had a lot to offer

00:28:33.280 | and families

00:28:33.980 | and friends

00:28:34.420 | and so

00:28:34.780 | I think nowadays

00:28:36.660 | people think about physical fitness

00:28:38.080 | a little bit differently

00:28:38.740 | they understand it's an investment

00:28:40.100 | and therefore it's beneficial

00:28:41.560 | to the people around you

00:28:42.440 | but I still see a lot of people

00:28:43.800 | kind of couch it

00:28:46.120 | especially with respect to

00:28:47.160 | anything that relates to muscle

00:28:48.860 | as kind of selfish

00:28:50.220 | and narcissistic

00:28:51.700 | and this kind of thing

00:28:52.520 | and I think it's so important

00:28:54.120 | that people understand

00:28:55.680 | the mental health benefits

00:28:56.700 | but also the benefits

00:28:58.020 | that it can bring

00:28:58.780 | the people in your life

00:28:59.720 | and not just longevity

00:29:01.700 | but just the person

00:29:02.560 | that it brings

00:29:02.980 | you really understand yourself

00:29:04.580 | you know

00:29:05.200 | in the back of my mind

00:29:05.880 | I'm thinking about

00:29:06.460 | you know

00:29:06.700 | the oracle

00:29:07.380 | know thyself

00:29:08.220 | it's like so important

00:29:09.060 | if you don't get that workout

00:29:10.060 | you're going to have to force out

00:29:12.900 | being best husband

00:29:13.920 | best dad

00:29:14.500 | best teammate

00:29:15.080 | and if you do get that workout

00:29:17.820 | they still get that best dad

00:29:20.660 | everything

00:29:20.940 | but it's that much more genuine

00:29:22.300 | and it comes

00:29:23.580 | it probably is in abundance

00:29:25.040 | one of the things

00:29:25.900 | that nobody ever talks about

00:29:26.940 | is your body awareness

00:29:29.100 | when you do fitness

00:29:30.500 | for a long time

00:29:32.240 | 50 years old

00:29:33.300 | you've been doing fitness

00:29:33.840 | for a very long time

00:29:34.720 | you are so in tune

00:29:35.920 | with that vessel

00:29:36.700 | that when something does pop up

00:29:38.400 | you identify it right away

00:29:39.580 | when you don't

00:29:40.800 | you're like

00:29:41.400 | uh

00:29:42.140 | my back kind of hurts

00:29:43.840 | where

00:29:44.620 | uh

00:29:46.240 | you don't know

00:29:47.200 | i'm in tune

00:29:48.780 | with that thing

00:29:49.280 | so well

00:29:49.780 | that when i walk

00:29:50.320 | into a doctor

00:29:50.800 | i'm like

00:29:51.000 | take a needle

00:29:51.700 | three inches down

00:29:52.520 | rotate it over 45 degrees

00:29:53.740 | and that's where it is

00:29:54.420 | i'm like

00:29:54.660 | okay this is it

00:29:55.720 | i'm so in tune with it

00:29:57.160 | so when anything pops up

00:29:58.420 | i can diagnose it

00:29:59.740 | i can walk in

00:30:00.400 | and give them

00:30:00.920 | actual feedback

00:30:01.960 | what's happening

00:30:02.520 | i'm not just sitting

00:30:03.400 | on the couch

00:30:03.840 | all day long

00:30:04.380 | just

00:30:04.560 | my neck kind of hurts

00:30:06.440 | no i know exactly

00:30:07.300 | what it is

00:30:07.620 | i'm doing a full

00:30:08.280 | diagnostic approach

00:30:09.220 | the entire day

00:30:09.940 | and that's why

00:30:10.280 | i've got vernon

00:30:10.920 | i mean he's the best

00:30:11.900 | strength coach in the world

00:30:12.720 | if i wouldn't have that guy

00:30:14.340 | i would be

00:30:15.000 | i mean he's brought me back

00:30:16.740 | from the dead more times

00:30:17.600 | than i can count

00:30:18.100 | but it's five days a week

00:30:20.040 | i mean he's in there every day

00:30:21.460 | so if i walk in

00:30:22.280 | and i've got a slight limp

00:30:23.420 | on my left side

00:30:24.040 | he's like

00:30:24.280 | hey my man come over

00:30:25.040 | what is that

00:30:25.540 | and i was like

00:30:26.140 | i had nothing

00:30:26.500 | he's like

00:30:26.900 | bruise heel

00:30:27.420 | yeah how'd you know

00:30:29.300 | it was a bruise heel

00:30:29.840 | he's like

00:30:30.020 | i watched that broad jump

00:30:30.880 | on friday

00:30:31.360 | like you landed a little funky

00:30:32.820 | i want to see if he's

00:30:33.740 | gonna mess with you

00:30:34.320 | he ideas it

00:30:35.740 | i ideas it

00:30:36.320 | i just wasn't gonna say anything

00:30:37.280 | okay what are you gonna do

00:30:38.460 | about it

00:30:38.960 | right

00:30:39.480 | be proactive

00:30:40.200 | instead of reactive

00:30:40.900 | but that's because

00:30:41.780 | you're chipping away

00:30:42.580 | and you know

00:30:43.660 | you're understanding yourself

00:30:45.480 | so well

00:30:46.100 | because you are

00:30:46.640 | constantly in tune

00:30:47.760 | with your body

00:30:48.280 | and people just forget about it

00:30:49.200 | like why aren't you sleeping

00:30:50.000 | or i had caffeine

00:30:51.300 | at four o'clock

00:30:51.800 | oh i'm accountable

00:30:53.640 | for everything i put

00:30:54.860 | in my body

00:30:55.340 | and then everything

00:30:55.840 | comes out of me

00:30:56.540 | the gym's just

00:30:57.760 | one of the methods

00:30:58.740 | that really ties them

00:30:59.680 | all together for me

00:31:00.380 | the body awareness piece

00:31:02.480 | i think is something

00:31:03.020 | that we should also

00:31:04.220 | underscore a bit

00:31:05.080 | i think one thing

00:31:06.360 | that happens

00:31:07.540 | if people don't develop

00:31:08.500 | body awareness

00:31:09.160 | is that

00:31:10.360 | they don't learn

00:31:11.400 | the difference

00:31:11.760 | between something

00:31:12.420 | that hurts

00:31:12.940 | and an injury

00:31:13.680 | a few years ago

00:31:15.140 | right before going

00:31:15.800 | on cam haynes's podcast

00:31:16.860 | where you know

00:31:17.760 | you carry that rock

00:31:18.540 | i was about to say

00:31:19.020 | he makes you carry the rock

00:31:19.960 | but you don't have to

00:31:20.680 | you know

00:31:20.880 | carry the rock

00:31:21.480 | it's the thing

00:31:21.940 | it's heavy

00:31:22.140 | it's 72 pounds

00:31:23.000 | it's slippery

00:31:23.680 | it's muddy

00:31:24.220 | it's a thousand feet

00:31:25.140 | of elevation

00:31:25.660 | and people do it

00:31:26.560 | right

00:31:26.720 | you can do it

00:31:27.180 | but

00:31:27.360 | i popped a hamstring

00:31:29.340 | on the hamstring

00:31:30.400 | curl machine

00:31:30.900 | like a couple days before

00:31:31.880 | but i didn't pop pop it

00:31:34.020 | like it didn't unravel

00:31:35.100 | you know unravel

00:31:35.980 | up the up the tendon

00:31:37.160 | so i was like

00:31:38.140 | i'm just not going

00:31:38.700 | to talk about it

00:31:39.380 | i'm not going to say

00:31:39.940 | anything

00:31:40.320 | i'm not going to

00:31:40.980 | because that's going

00:31:42.220 | to create its own thing

00:31:42.960 | i was like

00:31:43.340 | i'm hurt

00:31:43.900 | it hurt

00:31:44.460 | but i'm not injured

00:31:45.640 | and knowing that line

00:31:47.260 | is really important

00:31:48.500 | because if you are injured

00:31:49.460 | it'd be the stupidest thing

00:31:50.980 | in the world

00:31:51.320 | to carry that rock

00:31:51.980 | up that hill

00:31:52.480 | right

00:31:53.040 | you end up

00:31:53.760 | out for six months

00:31:54.960 | potentially

00:31:55.740 | or four months

00:31:56.760 | i had years ago

00:31:58.780 | a back pain

00:32:00.400 | kind of sciatica thing

00:32:01.560 | and i couldn't stand up

00:32:02.760 | and i actually

00:32:03.720 | it was online

00:32:04.240 | it was instagram

00:32:04.900 | and i have no business

00:32:05.680 | affiliation to this kid

00:32:06.740 | but there was a

00:32:07.240 | i think he's a chiropractor

00:32:08.420 | he has this channel

00:32:09.940 | called rehab fix

00:32:10.860 | and he convinced me

00:32:12.660 | that what i need to do

00:32:13.360 | is some like up dog

00:32:14.420 | things

00:32:14.640 | it looks like

00:32:14.960 | you're kind of like

00:32:15.600 | humping the floor

00:32:16.400 | you know

00:32:16.660 | your pelvis is down

00:32:17.660 | and you're pushing up

00:32:18.620 | and you repeat those

00:32:19.920 | it's kind of like

00:32:20.640 | like lizard push-ups

00:32:21.680 | you know

00:32:22.140 | and then against the wall

00:32:23.840 | if you can't actually

00:32:24.480 | do that from the floor

00:32:25.320 | within three days

00:32:26.280 | it resolved itself

00:32:27.140 | and i was thinking

00:32:28.580 | about pain meds

00:32:29.720 | which i don't like to take

00:32:30.740 | in fact i avoid them

00:32:31.700 | entirely

00:32:32.000 | i was thinking

00:32:32.300 | am i going to have

00:32:33.080 | to have surgery

00:32:33.480 | i mean i could not

00:32:34.300 | stand up

00:32:35.020 | i couldn't move

00:32:35.920 | i couldn't do it

00:32:36.420 | and i realized then

00:32:38.140 | i was like

00:32:38.400 | okay the line between

00:32:39.380 | hurt and truly injured

00:32:40.900 | is often kind of blurry

00:32:42.500 | and you need to be able

00:32:43.520 | to work through that space

00:32:44.720 | and you think about this

00:32:46.340 | and it through one lens

00:32:48.120 | and it sounds like

00:32:48.740 | a selfish thing

00:32:49.260 | oh it's all about

00:32:49.820 | being able to work out more

00:32:50.760 | you think about it

00:32:51.920 | through another lens

00:32:52.700 | it's you know

00:32:53.580 | people who think

00:32:54.640 | they're injured

00:32:55.280 | or who are in pain

00:32:57.140 | and don't resolve that

00:32:58.120 | are very difficult

00:32:59.020 | to be around

00:32:59.640 | very difficult

00:33:00.900 | i've been that person

00:33:01.760 | it's just

00:33:02.160 | everything grates on you

00:33:03.680 | and male

00:33:05.200 | female

00:33:05.640 | young or old

00:33:06.180 | people now

00:33:06.700 | you know

00:33:06.980 | they talk about

00:33:07.320 | their neck

00:33:07.940 | or they sleep right

00:33:09.200 | and i think being able

00:33:10.140 | to suck stuff up

00:33:11.240 | is really great

00:33:12.560 | it's also important

00:33:13.140 | to know when you have

00:33:13.640 | a real issue

00:33:14.260 | and so the body

00:33:15.120 | awareness thing

00:33:15.680 | i think is a gift

00:33:16.980 | to oneself

00:33:17.600 | you can avoid

00:33:18.060 | a lot of costs

00:33:18.760 | a lot of unnecessary

00:33:19.820 | medical interventions

00:33:20.740 | you can know

00:33:21.840 | when it's time

00:33:22.400 | to take action

00:33:23.120 | with proper medical

00:33:24.980 | intervention

00:33:25.380 | but also

00:33:25.980 | it really allows you

00:33:27.520 | to be in life

00:33:28.280 | with people

00:33:29.340 | without being the person

00:33:30.680 | that's always

00:33:31.000 | complaining about stuff

00:33:31.940 | or is just difficult

00:33:32.820 | i think a lot of people

00:33:34.060 | who are difficult

00:33:34.660 | are in pain

00:33:35.460 | and they don't know

00:33:35.980 | how to resolve that pain

00:33:37.040 | and they think

00:33:38.100 | they have a problem

00:33:39.420 | with pain

00:33:40.320 | so then they take

00:33:40.880 | pain medication

00:33:41.580 | and that's a whole cycle

00:33:43.040 | so i just

00:33:43.980 | you know

00:33:44.420 | wanted to underscore

00:33:45.140 | that kind of

00:33:46.240 | where we're headed here

00:33:47.080 | it seems

00:33:48.120 | again and again

00:33:48.820 | is with

00:33:49.360 | you know

00:33:50.080 | what seems selfish

00:33:51.060 | is actually

00:33:51.860 | one of the most

00:33:52.760 | selfless things

00:33:53.420 | you can do

00:33:53.960 | let's talk about

00:33:55.460 | what you call

00:33:56.620 | unracking at 07

00:33:57.820 | tier 1 operator

00:34:00.520 | former tier 1 operators

00:34:01.520 | of the lingo

00:34:02.460 | so that

00:34:03.200 | i'm guessing

00:34:03.920 | is that unracking the weight

00:34:04.960 | that's when the workout starts

00:34:06.200 | phone is off

00:34:07.420 | phone's on

00:34:08.760 | because we run an app on it

00:34:09.880 | okay

00:34:10.180 | we have vernon griffin

00:34:10.900 | but you're not looking

00:34:11.460 | at text messages

00:34:12.120 | no

00:34:12.460 | and you're not shooting

00:34:13.140 | selfies of your calves

00:34:14.100 | and biceps

00:34:14.640 | right

00:34:15.100 | i point that out

00:34:16.360 | in semi jest

00:34:17.460 | because i always joke

00:34:18.780 | that the first rep

00:34:19.720 | of every set now

00:34:20.440 | seems to be

00:34:21.120 | guys in the gym

00:34:22.220 | taking pictures of themselves

00:34:23.160 | the last rep of every set

00:34:24.400 | seems to be guys

00:34:24.980 | taking pictures of themselves

00:34:25.980 | so 07

00:34:28.240 | so what's that workout

00:34:29.340 | look like

00:34:29.840 | you're doing it

00:34:30.180 | five days a week

00:34:30.940 | i know it's going to be

00:34:32.040 | different for different people

00:34:32.940 | but you have this program

00:34:34.200 | that i really want to

00:34:35.160 | explore with you today

00:34:35.960 | about how to measure progress

00:34:37.560 | and set standards

00:34:38.360 | and meet new standards

00:34:39.400 | higher standards

00:34:40.200 | what does that workout

00:34:41.540 | look like for you

00:34:42.260 | so i linked up with vernon

00:34:43.760 | right when i was getting

00:34:44.360 | when i was getting

00:34:44.360 | i was getting medically retired

00:34:45.020 | around 2019

00:34:45.800 | i came back from

00:34:47.100 | a gnarly shoulder injury

00:34:48.280 | i blew it

00:34:48.980 | i had a dislocation

00:34:49.860 | it came through my armpit

00:34:50.980 | shredded out everything

00:34:52.000 | and i went from

00:34:54.180 | about 215

00:34:55.240 | to about 180 pounds

00:34:56.420 | got stuck in

00:34:57.360 | a rehab clinic

00:34:58.780 | in uh

00:34:59.260 | in bethesda maryland

00:35:00.320 | for 31 days

00:35:01.180 | inpatient

00:35:01.680 | and i came out

00:35:03.360 | like death warmed over

00:35:04.540 | worst i've ever been

00:35:06.020 | in my life

00:35:06.540 | worst my mental health

00:35:07.520 | has ever been

00:35:08.100 | i did not want to

00:35:09.060 | play the game anymore

00:35:09.840 | and navy seal foundation

00:35:11.640 | hooked you up with this

00:35:12.520 | uh

00:35:12.820 | physical rehabilitation program

00:35:14.540 | in virginia beach

00:35:15.400 | ran by a former seal

00:35:16.660 | and vernon was the

00:35:17.900 | lead strength

00:35:18.400 | conditioning coach

00:35:19.060 | and he was my coach

00:35:20.980 | and we walked in

00:35:21.920 | we did full body

00:35:22.740 | assessments

00:35:23.260 | and what's interesting

00:35:24.880 | about him is

00:35:25.700 | he took all your

00:35:26.820 | limitations

00:35:27.360 | and developed

00:35:28.760 | concepts and movements

00:35:29.980 | to establish confidence

00:35:31.420 | in that area

00:35:32.600 | so when i came back

00:35:34.140 | you know day one

00:35:35.260 | he's like okay

00:35:35.740 | let's try to hang

00:35:36.500 | from the bar

00:35:36.960 | i looked right at him

00:35:37.780 | no

00:35:38.140 | he's like what

00:35:39.840 | no

00:35:40.880 | i'm not hanging

00:35:42.300 | from that bar

00:35:42.680 | i'm done

00:35:43.140 | like i've done

00:35:44.000 | i've done more pull-ups

00:35:44.860 | than most people

00:35:45.600 | on the planet

00:35:46.060 | my pull-up days

00:35:47.660 | are done man

00:35:48.120 | like i'm not doing it again

00:35:49.240 | he goes

00:35:49.540 | you gotta trust me

00:35:50.520 | it's not gonna happen

00:35:51.780 | on day one

00:35:52.300 | slowly but surely

00:35:53.860 | i mean

00:35:54.160 | i mean he's at the point

00:35:55.120 | where he's holding my knees

00:35:56.240 | i can't even extend

00:35:57.400 | my arm overhead

00:35:58.120 | like

00:35:58.520 | i'm

00:36:00.240 | that's humbling

00:36:00.900 | for a guy that

00:36:02.200 | for a guy

00:36:02.760 | when it was a tier one

00:36:04.080 | operator

00:36:04.520 | that's humbling

00:36:05.720 | i was so bound up

00:36:06.900 | by a fear

00:36:07.460 | that it was gonna come

00:36:08.180 | because that was my first

00:36:09.220 | shoulder surgery

00:36:10.080 | and if you've never had one

00:36:11.140 | shoulder surgery is the worst

00:36:12.680 | rehab i've ever had

00:36:13.560 | and i've had a lot of them

00:36:15.220 | the shoulder rehab

00:36:16.760 | was brutal

00:36:18.300 | and i didn't want it to pop

00:36:20.100 | and i'd extend

00:36:20.800 | and i couldn't do it

00:36:21.460 | i couldn't do it

00:36:21.940 | he's like you just gotta

00:36:22.620 | trust me man

00:36:23.240 | like doctor cleared you

00:36:24.940 | the anchors have set

00:36:25.940 | everything is there

00:36:26.760 | but you cannot go through

00:36:27.960 | the rest of your life like this

00:36:28.980 | he's like you're not even 40

00:36:30.100 | he's like do you want to go

00:36:31.200 | another 40 years

00:36:31.860 | without doing a pull-up

00:36:32.620 | you're gonna have to trust me

00:36:34.340 | he'd pick me up by the legs

00:36:35.780 | i'd put my arm on there

00:36:36.700 | and he'd slowly but surely

00:36:38.300 | start to extend me down

00:36:39.380 | until we got full range of motion

00:36:40.940 | and we did that for days

00:36:42.180 | and weeks

00:36:42.760 | then we went to a band

00:36:44.240 | then we took the band off

00:36:45.180 | i just want you to hang

00:36:45.980 | now we're gonna focus

00:36:47.200 | on going back up

00:36:48.000 | and we built back to

00:36:49.260 | i mean i can do sets

00:36:50.060 | of 25 pull-ups now

00:36:51.160 | you're you're pulling your weight

00:36:52.440 | which is what right now

00:36:53.760 | you're

00:36:54.040 | i'm like 215

00:36:54.740 | you're 6'1", 215

00:36:56.260 | yep

00:36:56.660 | and you're doing sets of 20

00:36:59.020 | yeah 20-25

00:37:00.120 | non-kip pull-up

00:37:01.160 | yep

00:37:01.600 | and it's all bouncing back from him

00:37:04.340 | but the whole program we did

00:37:05.820 | you know because i'm

00:37:06.520 | i'm not a unicorn by any means

00:37:08.240 | but i've had all the injuries

00:37:10.960 | that everybody else has had

00:37:11.680 | i've had double hip surgery

00:37:13.140 | i've had double shoulder surgery

00:37:14.360 | i've had my abdomen

00:37:15.400 | blown through a couple times

00:37:16.520 | i mean i've had them all

00:37:17.240 | i've had thumbs

00:37:18.140 | i've had a rebuilt

00:37:18.960 | blown through

00:37:19.580 | blown through

00:37:20.100 | i mean just everything

00:37:21.780 | when i got electrocuted

00:37:22.740 | it blew out everything

00:37:24.000 | and we had to rebuild

00:37:25.340 | that entire thing

00:37:26.140 | so all the guys

00:37:27.040 | that are in this process

00:37:28.020 | if you're a SWAT team

00:37:29.360 | a fireman

00:37:29.940 | on a SEAL team

00:37:30.860 | anybody in between

00:37:31.860 | we've all got injuries

00:37:33.120 | that become limitations

00:37:34.020 | and we just avoid them

00:37:35.120 | you can't avoid them forever

00:37:37.340 | and this program

00:37:38.400 | is designed to get you

00:37:39.420 | back in shape

00:37:40.100 | and

00:37:40.960 | it grows with you

00:37:43.540 | as you go

00:37:44.080 | so every single week

00:37:45.300 | you're chasing numbers

00:37:46.300 | some week before

00:37:46.920 | and pushing

00:37:47.400 | on the days you don't have it

00:37:48.840 | on the days you wake up

00:37:49.820 | and you're bound up

00:37:51.220 | just lacking motivation

00:37:52.180 | we're going with

00:37:53.320 | 100% of what we have

00:37:54.860 | to offer

00:37:55.220 | that might be 75%

00:37:56.700 | i'm giving 100%

00:37:57.740 | of the 75 i have today

00:37:59.000 | but monday's a pull day

00:38:01.060 | from the floor

00:38:01.540 | usually trap bar deadlifts

00:38:03.000 | and we do those

00:38:04.440 | because of all the injuries

00:38:05.300 | i've got a really long torso

00:38:06.840 | it puts my back

00:38:08.460 | in a weird precarious situation

00:38:09.980 | so we do trap bar deadlifts

00:38:11.320 | we do those

00:38:12.700 | a lot of pull-up work

00:38:13.640 | a lot of grip work

00:38:14.700 | a lot of core stability stuff

00:38:16.260 | tuesday's a press day

00:38:17.640 | heavy upper body

00:38:18.720 | bench

00:38:19.280 | incline

00:38:19.920 | that kind of stuff

00:38:20.660 | wednesday's

00:38:21.640 | an upper body

00:38:22.240 | lower body disassociation

00:38:23.600 | so we get the upper body

00:38:24.980 | moving in one direction

00:38:25.800 | the lower body

00:38:26.340 | moving in the other

00:38:26.920 | a lot of course

00:38:28.700 | example of that

00:38:29.580 | we'll do a lot of bandit work

00:38:32.420 | we'll drop down to a knee

00:38:33.440 | like almost in a shooting position

00:38:34.700 | and we'll do cross body pulls

00:38:36.140 | with bands

00:38:36.720 | resistance training

00:38:37.700 | but just

00:38:38.500 | you know

00:38:38.880 | rotational stuff

00:38:40.060 | and sort of

00:38:40.520 | anti-rotation stuff

00:38:41.520 | on that day

00:38:42.400 | we'll do plyo stuff

00:38:43.440 | box jumps

00:38:44.620 | height

00:38:45.040 | distance and broad jump

00:38:46.500 | that kind of stuff

00:38:47.220 | farmers carry walks

00:38:48.840 | all the stuff

00:38:49.480 | just trying to connect

00:38:50.280 | all the dots

00:38:50.840 | thursday is the most

00:38:52.180 | brutal leg day

00:38:52.900 | you've ever had

00:38:53.540 | and it's amazing

00:38:54.980 | we've got a belt squat machine

00:38:56.240 | so anybody who walks in

00:38:58.360 | regardless of the injuries

00:38:59.320 | limitations you have

00:39:00.180 | we have equipment

00:39:00.880 | to accommodate that

00:39:01.900 | and when you say

00:39:02.720 | brutal leg day

00:39:03.580 | it's just

00:39:04.800 | i have a belt squat

00:39:06.020 | i love that thing

00:39:07.000 | i love throwing a lot of weight

00:39:07.920 | on that thing

00:39:08.440 | it's nice it doesn't

00:39:10.080 | load the spine up

00:39:11.000 | but um

00:39:12.200 | yeah it's a

00:39:13.540 | uh

00:39:14.040 | i like to think

00:39:15.580 | it's brutal

00:39:16.020 | can you describe

00:39:16.820 | are you talking about

00:39:17.520 | like an hour and a half

00:39:18.480 | two hours of

00:39:19.540 | of usually from seven to nine

00:39:21.140 | low weight

00:39:21.780 | um

00:39:22.420 | high weight

00:39:23.440 | pretty high repetitions

00:39:25.640 | you know

00:39:25.920 | so high weight

00:39:26.540 | high repetitions

00:39:27.400 | trying to

00:39:28.040 | yeah

00:39:28.300 | always trying to push

00:39:29.120 | but a lot of single leg movements

00:39:30.840 | bulgarian split squats

00:39:32.340 | i mean

00:39:32.820 | a lot of lunges

00:39:33.920 | a lot of lunges

00:39:34.480 | with heavy weight

00:39:35.140 | i mean 70 pounds

00:39:35.960 | in each hand

00:39:36.460 | for me that's a lot of weight

00:39:37.600 | so not calf raises

00:39:38.460 | leg curls

00:39:39.080 | no

00:39:39.440 | but on days

00:39:41.100 | some days we'll do a feel-good day

00:39:42.280 | like some days we'll come in

00:39:43.320 | he'll take a pulse of the whole room

00:39:44.580 | and he'll go

00:39:44.960 | we're all gonna hit the same muscle groups

00:39:47.920 | we're just gonna do it in a

00:39:48.800 | more traditional

00:39:49.860 | so we're gonna do hamstring curls

00:39:51.120 | leg extensions

00:39:51.780 | we're gonna do belt squats

00:39:52.760 | we're gonna do pulsing lunges

00:39:53.940 | really just pump the blood flow

00:39:55.720 | and just chase a really good pump

00:39:57.080 | everybody loves doing that

00:39:58.140 | and friday's a really

00:39:59.640 | it's a feel-good day

00:40:00.460 | it's an arm day

00:40:01.320 | we'll do some shoulders

00:40:02.160 | some accessory work

00:40:03.140 | you know

00:40:04.020 | and then we add in sprints

00:40:05.200 | in between

00:40:05.560 | probably two to three days a week

00:40:06.820 | you know

00:40:08.020 | 200 meter repeats

00:40:09.240 | 300 meter repeats

00:40:10.220 | done where in the workout

00:40:11.260 | in between sets

00:40:12.620 | at the end

00:40:13.240 | at the end

00:40:13.980 | we always save it at the end

00:40:15.300 | and we always did that

00:40:15.960 | with the military too

00:40:16.740 | it always ends with a run

00:40:17.840 | and i've tried every combination

00:40:19.840 | doing sprints

00:40:20.640 | you know

00:40:21.240 | pre and post

00:40:22.140 | and it really just zaps

00:40:23.440 | a workout for me

00:40:24.140 | yeah

00:40:24.400 | Pavel Setsulin

00:40:25.260 | you know

00:40:26.020 | the Pavel Setsulin

00:40:26.840 | sat in that chair

00:40:27.600 | right where you're at now

00:40:28.600 | and said

00:40:28.920 | you know

00:40:29.560 | if your goal is hypertrophy

00:40:31.300 | and you're gonna come in

00:40:32.020 | do a pumping workout

00:40:32.780 | it doesn't really matter

00:40:33.400 | if you do cardio first or last

00:40:34.800 | but if you're gonna

00:40:35.300 | if you're serious about strength

00:40:36.680 | and performance and form

00:40:37.880 | do your cardio after

00:40:39.440 | if at all

00:40:40.260 | you know

00:40:40.640 | because a lot of times

00:40:41.420 | those kettlebell workouts

00:40:42.320 | or some of these leg workouts

00:40:43.420 | they're not quote unquote cardio

00:40:45.280 | but they definitely get heart rate up

00:40:46.740 | in a serious way

00:40:47.900 | so on Wednesday

00:40:48.600 | if we're doing a sprint workout

00:40:50.220 | it might be

00:40:51.100 | 10 by

00:40:52.300 | 40

00:40:53.400 | 50 meter sprints

00:40:54.280 | right

00:40:54.720 | nothing crazy

00:40:55.360 | we'll do that at the very beginning

00:40:56.600 | get the fast switch muscle fibers going

00:40:58.300 | and then we'll do

00:40:59.240 | whatever the normal Wednesday workout is

00:41:00.840 | and then we go to the flat range

00:41:01.840 | every Wednesday

00:41:02.300 | so we train

00:41:03.480 | we bring him out too

00:41:04.520 | so all the stance

00:41:05.420 | the grip

00:41:05.760 | the presentation

00:41:06.280 | everything we talk about

00:41:07.240 | in the tactical setting

00:41:08.000 | he's there with us

00:41:09.060 | so when I talk about

00:41:10.580 | flexing your right glute

00:41:11.760 | to add stability

00:41:12.400 | to a stable shooting platform

00:41:13.660 | he's there driving home

00:41:15.240 | this is why it's important

00:41:16.240 | think big toe down

00:41:17.280 | drive your heel down

00:41:18.340 | so I mean

00:41:19.020 | he's as much of a coach

00:41:20.220 | as I am

00:41:20.680 | on the flat range

00:41:21.400 | but he can connect the dots

00:41:22.680 | so well

00:41:23.360 | and that's why I love him

00:41:24.200 | he's not gonna let you

00:41:25.780 | take that limitation

00:41:26.520 | and then live it forever

00:41:27.460 | you don't want to be like that

00:41:29.040 | and it doesn't help

00:41:30.180 | he's bigger stronger

00:41:31.000 | faster than everybody else

00:41:32.020 | so you've always got

00:41:32.980 | a good lifting buddy

00:41:34.000 | to kind of chase

00:41:34.620 | he always pushes you

00:41:35.580 | but he's so good

00:41:36.840 | at navigating the human terrain

00:41:38.140 | because some days

00:41:38.880 | I'll walk in

00:41:39.460 | and whatever's happened

00:41:41.740 | over the week

00:41:42.640 | he'll see me in the morning

00:41:44.400 | he'll look at me

00:41:44.820 | like how are we holding up

00:41:45.500 | I'm like 100%

00:41:46.280 | yeah

00:41:48.300 | yeah

00:41:48.640 | come over here

00:41:49.320 | what's going on

00:41:50.040 | I'll talk to him

00:41:51.040 | he's like

00:41:51.280 | we'll shake it all out

00:41:52.480 | we've got two hours here

00:41:53.400 | just us

00:41:53.920 | nothing else matters

00:41:54.740 | let's just focus on this

00:41:56.060 | I find myself pacing a lot

00:41:58.300 | so in between sets

00:41:59.420 | I'll block out everything else

00:42:01.580 | I'm not thinking about social

00:42:02.540 | I'm not thinking about my wife

00:42:03.560 | I'm not thinking about the business

00:42:04.500 | I'm thinking about putting myself

00:42:06.040 | in the best mental spot

00:42:07.320 | to pull that off the floor

00:42:08.440 | at 100%

00:42:09.280 | with no distractions

00:42:10.120 | and I think that's why

00:42:11.640 | I like it so much

00:42:12.400 | because it allows me

00:42:13.060 | to isolate my thoughts

00:42:14.240 | nothing else matters

00:42:15.500 | you don't matter

00:42:16.200 | this doesn't matter

00:42:17.060 | just that movement

00:42:18.300 | let me get through that

00:42:19.380 | the best of my ability

00:42:20.540 | set it down

00:42:22.380 | re-cock

00:42:23.180 | walk around

00:42:23.920 | get ready for the next one

00:42:24.980 | here we go

00:42:25.480 | 8 reps

00:42:26.840 | I'm going to put so much

00:42:28.140 | intent behind this pull

00:42:29.940 | that if I get 8 or 12

00:42:31.320 | it doesn't matter

00:42:31.900 | every single one

00:42:32.840 | is all out

00:42:33.540 | and you know

00:42:35.000 | Dorian Yates talks about it

00:42:35.980 | intensity is what really drives

00:42:37.840 | and I really try to drive

00:42:38.980 | intent behind everything

00:42:39.720 | I do now

00:42:40.220 | and yeah

00:42:41.260 | he's a huge

00:42:41.860 | man I can't

00:42:45.680 | I can't tell you

00:42:46.500 | how many times

00:42:47.040 | he's brought me back

00:42:47.800 | I mean the worst injuries

00:42:49.480 | you can imagine

00:42:50.280 | and he's there

00:42:52.300 | every single time

00:42:52.880 | and I think that's why

00:42:53.840 | so many people get on

00:42:54.860 | with it

00:42:55.600 | they see the injuries

00:42:56.500 | you've gone through

00:42:57.160 | and it's like

00:42:57.540 | well you can still perform

00:42:59.160 | at a high level

00:42:59.760 | only because I'm

00:43:01.580 | I don't want to say

00:43:03.320 | I'm even ego driven

00:43:04.180 | I've been so ingrained

00:43:05.400 | into sitting with the routine

00:43:06.520 | it doesn't matter

00:43:07.340 | what injuries I've had

00:43:08.260 | I mean I come out

00:43:09.260 | and we've got pictures

00:43:10.560 | of me in there

00:43:11.000 | double slings

00:43:12.060 | like when I got electrocuted

00:43:13.300 | double slings

00:43:13.980 | I can't even

00:43:14.580 | I can't even tie my shoes

00:43:15.640 | he's tying my shoes

00:43:16.600 | like he's putting

00:43:17.860 | the belt squat on me

00:43:18.920 | I'm squatting down

00:43:20.120 | he's clipping it in

00:43:20.980 | he's unracking it

00:43:21.900 | the entire thing

00:43:22.720 | he's my guy

00:43:24.840 | tell us his first

00:43:26.660 | and last name

00:43:27.260 | Vernon Griffith

00:43:28.080 | and you met him

00:43:29.360 | when you were injured

00:43:30.340 | right

00:43:30.900 | and he's a former

00:43:32.020 | operator as well

00:43:32.940 | he's not

00:43:33.540 | so his business partner

00:43:34.580 | was a former operator

00:43:35.300 | he was actually in the air force

00:43:36.420 | and transitioned out

00:43:37.720 | got a strength conditioning

00:43:38.620 | all his quals

00:43:40.360 | and he's got such an interesting

00:43:42.140 | look to mobility

00:43:43.060 | impact

00:43:44.420 | and

00:43:45.000 | the high level athletes

00:43:48.020 | that come through him

00:43:48.700 | and that's really what it is

00:43:49.600 | he gets big guys

00:43:50.660 | tricked into doing mobility

00:43:51.960 | and liking it

00:43:52.920 | because nobody wants to do mobility

00:43:54.180 | it's not a sexy thing to do

00:43:55.420 | I mean we get

00:43:56.440 | first round draft picks

00:43:57.480 | that are pouring through that gym

00:43:58.740 | all week long

00:44:00.180 | and you see him

00:44:01.220 | because it's the truth

00:44:02.280 | like we're trying to keep you

00:44:03.320 | at a super high level

00:44:04.220 | as long as humanly possible

00:44:05.600 | the average guy

00:44:06.700 | plays in the NFL

00:44:07.360 | three years

00:44:08.400 | but I'm trying to keep you

00:44:10.140 | in there for 12

00:44:10.780 | how are we going to do it

00:44:11.940 | you have to maintain

00:44:12.940 | that vessel

00:44:13.620 | at a super high level

00:44:14.680 | because all these young kids

00:44:15.560 | are trying to knock you

00:44:16.260 | off the team

00:44:16.780 | and then the reality of the sport

00:44:18.420 | is trying to knock you

00:44:19.200 | off the team as well

00:44:19.960 | so we got to keep you

00:44:21.000 | really really mobile

00:44:21.800 | and healthy

00:44:22.820 | and I've never seen anybody

00:44:24.700 | that can connect thoughts

00:44:25.560 | better than that guy

00:44:26.140 | he's an absolute lifesaver

00:44:27.800 | we've known for a long time

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00:44:36.140 | theanine

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00:47:30.840 | The way you describe him

00:47:33.620 | and your interactions

00:47:35.060 | with him

00:47:35.680 | it almost takes on

00:47:39.520 | a sort of

00:47:40.100 | mythical

00:47:41.240 | like quality

00:47:42.720 | I mean like

00:47:43.080 | we could be talking

00:47:43.640 | about a movie

00:47:44.180 | but this is real

00:47:45.460 | and we'll talk about

00:47:46.320 | just how real it is

00:47:47.280 | some very real things

00:47:48.880 | have happened to you

00:47:49.560 | by virtue of the

00:47:50.900 | high risk

00:47:51.960 | high consequence

00:47:52.520 | career that you

00:47:53.560 | undertook

00:47:54.340 | but

00:47:55.620 | you know

00:47:56.320 | when you hear about

00:47:56.780 | this person

00:47:57.460 | who's able to bring back

00:47:58.520 | a high performer

00:47:59.380 | and then

00:47:59.920 | get him to exceed

00:48:00.880 | his previous notions

00:48:02.140 | of what he could do

00:48:02.980 | and under conditions

00:48:03.920 | of duress

00:48:04.980 | and hopelessness

00:48:06.060 | it's you know

00:48:06.600 | this is real life though

00:48:08.120 | this is not

00:48:08.740 | this isn't Star Wars

00:48:09.720 | this is real life

00:48:10.600 | and

00:48:11.300 | so

00:48:12.460 | without ever having met him

00:48:14.360 | you know

00:48:14.740 | I can feel

00:48:15.800 | the

00:48:16.160 | the respect

00:48:17.200 | and the admiration

00:48:18.660 | and the gratitude

00:48:19.280 | you have for him

00:48:20.120 | and I'm

00:48:20.560 | I'm sure everyone else

00:48:21.620 | can too

00:48:22.220 | so

00:48:22.580 | this is the stuff

00:48:24.500 | of mythology

00:48:25.120 | but it's real

00:48:26.760 | so

00:48:27.480 | here's what I know

00:48:28.700 | about you

00:48:29.140 | you live in

00:48:30.580 | Virginia Beach

00:48:31.280 | at one point

00:48:33.360 | you were interested

00:48:33.880 | in skateboarding

00:48:34.680 | and partook in skateboarding

00:48:35.800 | at some point

00:48:36.680 | you decided to become

00:48:37.320 | a Navy SEAL

00:48:37.980 | at some point

00:48:39.780 | you got electrocuted

00:48:40.620 | fill in the blanks

00:48:42.220 | for us

00:48:42.660 | yeah man

00:48:43.980 | I was born in

00:48:44.700 | San Diego California

00:48:45.660 | my dad was a SEAL

00:48:46.560 | my mom was in the Navy

00:48:47.500 | so when my dad graduated

00:48:49.220 | my mom was nine months

00:48:50.280 | pregnant with me

00:48:50.860 | so his whole first

00:48:52.360 | four years

00:48:53.080 | at you know

00:48:54.060 | the West Coast SEAL teams

00:48:54.960 | I was one of the only

00:48:56.180 | kids there

00:48:56.680 | so kind of grew up

00:48:57.480 | in the culture

00:48:58.060 | you know

00:48:58.880 | really ingrained into it

00:49:00.000 | my first bottle

00:49:00.660 | on Coronado

00:49:00.860 | yep

00:49:01.380 | it's my first bottle

00:49:02.800 | I'm wearing a SEAL team

00:49:03.620 | one onesie

00:49:04.200 | you literally were raised

00:49:05.980 | on Coronado

00:49:06.660 | yeah

00:49:07.000 | so I did that

00:49:08.460 | we moved to

00:49:09.180 | the East Coast

00:49:09.900 | you got transitioned

00:49:10.700 | over to the East Coast

00:49:11.380 | I grew up the rest

00:49:12.100 | of my time there

00:49:12.740 | fell in love with

00:49:14.140 | skateboarding

00:49:14.660 | that's all I wanted to do

00:49:15.600 | I wanted to go pro

00:49:16.620 | got into a fight

00:49:18.060 | with the old man

00:49:18.680 | around 15 years old

00:49:20.640 | something like that

00:49:21.400 | and he signed me up

00:49:22.360 | for summer school

00:49:23.000 | to graduate early

00:49:24.560 | so I graduated at 17

00:49:26.240 | hit delayed entry program

00:49:27.900 | joined an AV

00:49:28.480 | a month later

00:49:29.640 | was that a contentious interaction

00:49:31.300 | I mean

00:49:31.640 | oh yeah

00:49:32.020 | I mean

00:49:32.260 | skateboarding

00:49:33.240 | was clearly

00:49:34.640 | not the right career

00:49:35.840 | for you

00:49:36.300 | I mean I'm sure

00:49:36.800 | you would have done

00:49:37.240 | exceedingly well there

00:49:38.240 | but having grown up

00:49:39.420 | a bit in that culture

00:49:40.500 | and also knowing a bit

00:49:42.320 | about the culture

00:49:42.840 | you eventually

00:49:43.520 | decided on

00:49:45.220 | you know

00:49:47.240 | it's hard to say

00:49:47.740 | which one is

00:49:48.340 | you know

00:49:49.440 | the better career choice

00:49:50.220 | one is definitely

00:49:50.980 | more life threatening

00:49:52.480 | which is that

00:49:53.200 | in many ways

00:49:54.520 | but

00:49:56.260 | you just said

00:49:57.260 | okay

00:49:57.520 | like

00:49:57.820 | you're a Navy SEAL

00:49:59.400 | you want me to be

00:50:00.040 | a Navy SEAL

00:50:00.580 | so I'm gonna

00:50:01.160 | I'm gonna hang it up

00:50:02.300 | it was always in the back

00:50:03.260 | of your mind

00:50:03.560 | like that was always

00:50:04.280 | what you thought

00:50:04.840 | you were gonna do

00:50:05.400 | but at 15 years old

00:50:06.600 | in your mind

00:50:07.140 | you can do them both

00:50:07.980 | you're like

00:50:08.440 | oh I can be

00:50:08.960 | a professional skateboarder

00:50:10.180 | and then I can be

00:50:10.620 | a Navy SEAL later

00:50:11.300 | you don't realize

00:50:12.260 | what it actually takes

00:50:13.140 | to do it

00:50:13.520 | even though you

00:50:13.880 | grow up in the culture

00:50:14.580 | so when that happened

00:50:16.440 | you know

00:50:16.600 | the towers had just fell

00:50:17.500 | I was 17 years old

00:50:19.380 | delayed entry program

00:50:20.420 | straight out to Coronado

00:50:21.640 | got through SEAL training

00:50:23.620 | came back to the east coast

00:50:25.120 | where I've been

00:50:25.620 | essentially my whole life

00:50:27.000 | and

00:50:27.580 | yeah

00:50:29.220 | joined the Navy in 2002

00:50:30.340 | and I got medically retired

00:50:31.400 | in 2019

00:50:32.180 | right around 17 years

00:50:34.180 | I think it was 16 years

00:50:35.580 | and like 10 months

00:50:36.860 | something like that

00:50:37.740 | can I ask you about Buds

00:50:38.720 | a lot of people

00:50:39.180 | have heard of Buds

00:50:39.940 | and they understand

00:50:40.920 | that it has a hell week

00:50:42.000 | with minimal if any sleep

00:50:43.500 | you know

00:50:44.060 | maybe an hour

00:50:44.660 | or two tops

00:50:45.920 | but probably not even that

00:50:47.080 | how hard was Buds

00:50:50.300 | relative to other

00:50:51.160 | things that you did

00:50:51.960 | in the teams

00:50:52.500 | you know

00:50:53.080 | I've heard people say

00:50:53.920 | it was the hardest thing

00:50:54.540 | they ever did

00:50:54.960 | I've heard some people say

00:50:55.980 | it was extremely hard

00:50:57.740 | but not nearly as difficult

00:50:59.240 | as like

00:50:59.840 | some aspect of

00:51:01.160 | like guys who hate

00:51:02.520 | the jungle

00:51:03.020 | and humidity

00:51:04.120 | are like

00:51:04.520 | that was worse

00:51:05.160 | and you never know

00:51:06.040 | if people are joking around

00:51:07.340 | I mean

00:51:07.860 | did you learn a lot

00:51:08.840 | in Buds

00:51:09.240 | about yourself

00:51:09.860 | if you can make it

00:51:11.400 | through Buds

00:51:11.740 | you can do anything

00:51:12.380 | it is such a brutal program

00:51:14.660 | and I just

00:51:15.460 | a hell week

00:51:16.680 | just secured

00:51:17.300 | and I saw a bunch

00:51:18.260 | of the guys

00:51:18.520 | took them out

00:51:18.860 | the dinner the other night

00:51:19.540 | and I was explaining

00:51:20.740 | to a group of civilians

00:51:21.580 | that were out there

00:51:22.040 | with them

00:51:22.280 | like their parents

00:51:22.880 | like

00:51:23.220 | you guys all see it

00:51:24.520 | every single person

00:51:26.040 | does that pipeline

00:51:26.740 | it's not just Buds

00:51:27.580 | it's

00:51:27.800 | you know

00:51:28.560 | the Q course

00:51:29.200 | for Green Berets

00:51:30.060 | it's RIP

00:51:31.080 | for the Rangers

00:51:31.900 | MARSOC selection

00:51:33.100 | every single kid

00:51:34.920 | that's doing

00:51:35.520 | that selection program

00:51:36.480 | is the biggest deal

00:51:37.540 | in his hometown

00:51:38.060 | the biggest thing

00:51:39.720 | in his high school

00:51:40.360 | everybody knows

00:51:41.200 | he's going

00:51:41.640 | and the amount

00:51:42.240 | of external pressure

00:51:43.160 | that's riding on that kid

00:51:44.300 | unless you've done it

00:51:45.820 | you have no idea

00:51:46.560 | you just don't

00:51:47.400 | it's like

00:51:48.120 | playing D1 college ball

00:51:49.480 | everyone in your family

00:51:50.720 | is expecting you

00:51:51.340 | to be a pro

00:51:51.840 | they're expecting you

00:51:52.980 | to be in the NFL

00:51:53.880 | and if you don't get drafted

00:51:55.260 | it's like

00:51:55.640 | oh my god

00:51:57.620 | it's so much pressure

00:51:58.540 | on you

00:51:58.840 | and it's the same way

00:51:59.720 | and it's self-selection

00:52:00.800 | because people quit

00:52:01.820 | they're not

00:52:02.280 | in general

00:52:03.180 | they're not asked to leave

00:52:04.240 | although that can't happen

00:52:05.260 | so if somebody

00:52:07.720 | doesn't make it through Buds

00:52:09.480 | it means they quit

00:52:10.540 | yep

00:52:11.060 | pretty much

00:52:12.100 | and it's a lot of pressure

00:52:13.980 | right

00:52:14.380 | the GWAT

00:52:15.160 | just kicking off

00:52:16.240 | all the instructors

00:52:17.000 | were coming back

00:52:17.640 | from Afghanistan

00:52:18.220 | and they were

00:52:19.240 | larger than life

00:52:20.320 | you really look up to them

00:52:22.180 | and I was just very fortunate

00:52:23.540 | that I grew up in the culture

00:52:24.480 | and I knew a lot of the guys

00:52:26.100 | going in

00:52:26.640 | so I knew what the end state was

00:52:28.300 | most of these kids

00:52:29.240 | are from Biloxi, Mississippi

00:52:30.440 | you've never even seen

00:52:31.640 | a Navy SEAL in real life

00:52:32.840 | until you showed up here

00:52:33.800 | I grew up with one

00:52:35.160 | all my family friends

00:52:36.660 | were SEALs

00:52:37.160 | we didn't have a single

00:52:37.860 | civilian friend growing up

00:52:39.000 | the only thing I've been around

00:52:40.040 | were commandos

00:52:40.700 | so I felt really natural

00:52:42.860 | around that environment

00:52:43.600 | but I knew it was going to suck

00:52:44.900 | I just knew it was

00:52:45.920 | did your dad have you

00:52:46.960 | running with him

00:52:47.520 | and doing push-ups

00:52:48.260 | and things like that at home

00:52:49.160 | or was it mow the lawn

00:52:50.680 | and then go skateboarding

00:52:51.600 | you know

00:52:51.920 | mow the lawn

00:52:52.400 | go skateboarding

00:52:53.060 | and then as we transitioned

00:52:54.120 | we got closer

00:52:54.760 | it was turn it on

00:52:55.900 | download the Stu Smith

00:52:57.440 | guide to Navy SEAL prep

00:52:58.760 | and did that

00:53:00.000 | like everybody else did

00:53:00.880 | it's a phenomenal program

00:53:02.180 | for anybody who's trying to go

00:53:03.120 | but I was

00:53:05.300 | I was so young

00:53:06.680 | I was so immature

00:53:07.540 | didn't have a cell phone

00:53:08.680 | didn't have a car

00:53:09.560 | I lived on the barracks

00:53:10.720 | and the only thing

00:53:11.300 | you had to do

00:53:11.820 | was get through the program

00:53:12.820 | but what I will say

00:53:14.420 | is

00:53:14.900 | the 17 year old me

00:53:17.540 | that showed up in 2002

00:53:18.660 | if I would try to be

00:53:20.140 | a Navy SEAL in 2025

00:53:21.300 | they wouldn't even take me

00:53:22.360 | my performance scores

00:53:24.420 | like you have to pass

00:53:25.100 | a screen test

00:53:25.780 | push-ups

00:53:26.220 | pull-ups

00:53:26.600 | run

00:53:26.900 | swim

00:53:27.200 | the whole thing

00:53:27.900 | your scores now

00:53:29.400 | have to be so competitive

00:53:30.680 | they wouldn't even take me

00:53:31.600 | oh so the standards

00:53:33.100 | have changed

00:53:33.840 | standards are the same

00:53:35.040 | but the people going

00:53:35.960 | through the program

00:53:36.840 | are so better prepared

00:53:38.980 | they wouldn't even take you

00:53:40.380 | so if you're not

00:53:41.280 | if you're not

00:53:42.840 | 120 push-ups

00:53:43.980 | 120

00:53:44.320 | they don't even look at you

00:53:45.400 | like for me

00:53:46.400 | I basically

00:53:47.060 | barely scratched through

00:53:48.480 | I was a strong swimmer

00:53:50.420 | but technique

00:53:51.060 | wasn't my thing

00:53:51.800 | and until you take the test

00:53:53.520 | you don't realize

00:53:54.000 | how hard it is

00:53:54.680 | and I got through it

00:53:56.180 | and I went out to Buds

00:53:56.960 | and I was successful

00:53:57.680 | but I was by no means

00:53:59.580 | a star athlete

00:54:00.520 | and you guys

00:54:01.660 | you know

00:54:02.280 | Coleman Ruiz

00:54:02.860 | Naval Academy

00:54:03.660 | they are freaks

00:54:05.180 | they're phenoms

00:54:06.300 | they're professional athletes

00:54:07.680 | and there you are

00:54:08.520 | 6'1", 145 pounds

00:54:10.740 | pot smoking skateboarder

00:54:12.240 | we are not on the same level

00:54:13.860 | but mentally

00:54:14.980 | you couldn't mess with me

00:54:16.180 | I didn't care

00:54:16.980 | like we're getting

00:54:17.760 | surf tortured

00:54:18.280 | and you'd watch these guys

00:54:19.400 | that would just see studs

00:54:20.800 | get up and quit

00:54:21.600 | and you're like

00:54:21.940 | it's not gonna stop

00:54:25.540 | and I feel like

00:54:26.840 | I always had the inside scoop

00:54:28.100 | like if you think

00:54:28.880 | this is gonna end

00:54:29.560 | it's not

00:54:30.140 | like my dad

00:54:31.620 | did a lot of diving

00:54:32.480 | I was like

00:54:32.760 | I've seen the conditions

00:54:33.940 | they dive in

00:54:34.520 | breaking through the ice

00:54:35.420 | like it is only

00:54:36.260 | gonna get worse dude

00:54:37.080 | if this phases you

00:54:38.120 | this is not the program

00:54:39.480 | for you

00:54:39.920 | and I was right

00:54:41.000 | if that phases you

00:54:42.940 | the SEAL team

00:54:43.540 | is gonna chew you alive

00:54:44.340 | so not everybody

00:54:45.500 | should make it

00:54:45.960 | through that program

00:54:46.540 | I was just fortunate

00:54:47.580 | enough that

00:54:48.000 | just good enough

00:54:49.200 | to get by

00:54:49.780 | and you know

00:54:51.080 | maturity came later

00:54:51.920 | but

00:54:52.260 | BUDS was definitely

00:54:54.400 | not the hardest thing

00:54:55.340 | I've ever had to do

00:54:56.200 | at the time it was

00:54:57.600 | and when you get through

00:54:58.600 | and you see all the

00:54:59.280 | you start with

00:55:00.080 | 200 and something people

00:55:01.540 | you graduate

00:55:02.100 | less than 20

00:55:03.020 | those were 200 of the most

00:55:05.560 | physically capable people

00:55:06.660 | of that year

00:55:07.380 | in the United States Navy

00:55:08.280 | and they couldn't make it

00:55:09.320 | did any of the people

00:55:10.400 | that not made it through

00:55:12.240 | as well as made it through

00:55:13.880 | surprise you

00:55:14.820 | for not making it through

00:55:17.300 | or making it through

00:55:17.980 | not making it through

00:55:18.780 | for sure

00:55:19.120 | I mean all the guys

00:55:20.220 | that they

00:55:21.020 | you've been around

00:55:22.580 | the Captain Americas

00:55:23.560 | Navy SEALs have a certain look

00:55:25.380 | they have a certain mystique

00:55:26.380 | a certain or

00:55:27.020 | and they do in training too

00:55:28.200 | it's not like you just develop

00:55:29.200 | that you've had it

00:55:29.880 | your whole life

00:55:30.460 | and there were definitely

00:55:31.240 | guys you look at

00:55:32.100 | that look like

00:55:33.100 | Dolph Lundgren

00:55:34.740 | from Rocky

00:55:35.760 | you look at him

00:55:36.500 | you're like

00:55:36.700 | oh that dude is

00:55:37.560 | definitely going to make it

00:55:38.500 | he's gone in 20 minutes

00:55:39.760 | you're like

00:55:40.020 | how?

00:55:41.500 | he passed everything

00:55:42.720 | he didn't like that cold water

00:55:44.480 | okay

00:55:46.560 | and then you see another guy

00:55:47.740 | who

00:55:47.940 | he was worse shape than me

00:55:49.940 | barely squeaked by everything

00:55:51.600 | and he is the hardest dude

00:55:53.560 | you've ever met in your life

00:55:54.300 | nothing phases him

00:55:55.200 | every run

00:55:56.320 | every swim

00:55:57.100 | just miserable

00:55:57.900 | he doesn't care

00:55:58.540 | he

00:56:00.280 | he's kind of

00:56:01.280 | it sounds like you have to

00:56:02.400 | not mind being miserable

00:56:03.640 | you have to get used to it

00:56:04.800 | you have to embrace it

00:56:05.480 | it's going to suck

00:56:06.280 | it's supposed to

00:56:07.080 | and you just got to tell yourself

00:56:08.160 | it's worth the price of admission

00:56:09.800 | it's going to be miserable

00:56:11.120 | you bought the ticket

00:56:11.900 | you're going to get the whole show

00:56:12.920 | and it's totally worth it

00:56:14.040 | but you got to be there at the end

00:56:15.360 | you mentioned Coleman Ruiz

00:56:16.800 | who's been a guest on this podcast

00:56:18.080 | is a good friend of mine

00:56:19.460 | and yours as well

00:56:20.540 | and you worked with him

00:56:21.520 | and

00:56:21.760 | I'm probably going to get this

00:56:24.140 | a little bit wrong

00:56:24.660 | but I think once he said

00:56:25.880 | because I think he was an instructor

00:56:28.280 | at Bud's also

00:56:29.220 | for a short while

00:56:30.100 | I think he was

00:56:30.600 | and he said

00:56:32.680 | you know

00:56:32.920 | when you

00:56:33.300 | look at the guys

00:56:34.920 | that make it through Bud's

00:56:35.880 | nine times out of ten

00:56:38.260 | they've had one

00:56:40.220 | at least one of the following

00:56:41.420 | three things

00:56:42.180 | either

00:56:42.860 | spent some serious time

00:56:43.960 | in detention in high school

00:56:45.080 | played a varsity sport

00:56:46.880 | in high school

00:56:47.560 | divorced parents

00:56:49.180 | and you know

00:56:51.440 | that raises a whole bunch

00:56:52.360 | of other questions

00:56:53.140 | about you know

00:56:54.180 | friction

00:56:54.860 | and

00:56:55.380 | and

00:56:55.860 | kind of

00:56:57.100 | for lack of a better way

00:56:58.140 | to put it

00:56:58.480 | like some internal sense

00:56:59.960 | of like

00:57:00.400 | F you

00:57:00.840 | I'm going to push

00:57:01.300 | through this anyway

00:57:02.040 | or just F you to something

00:57:04.540 | so when you're going

00:57:05.520 | so let's assume that Coleman

00:57:06.860 | having given the fact

00:57:07.960 | that he's not a scientist

00:57:08.920 | he's not

00:57:09.640 | he was a former operator

00:57:11.020 | so he knows

00:57:11.800 | do you think that there were

00:57:15.460 | there were moments

00:57:17.120 | or many moments

00:57:17.860 | where it was

00:57:18.660 | you against them

00:57:20.540 | like you and your teammates

00:57:21.780 | because you're

00:57:22.240 | you know

00:57:22.820 | you're on boat crew

00:57:23.380 | or whatever

00:57:23.740 | with your teammates

00:57:24.780 | you're working as a team

00:57:25.620 | and learning how to do that

00:57:26.640 | it's not just about you

00:57:28.080 | it's about the group

00:57:29.360 | and it's about you

00:57:31.720 | and it's about the expectation

00:57:33.140 | but how many different

00:57:34.820 | bins of motivation

00:57:36.740 | do you

00:57:37.200 | do you have to access

00:57:38.100 | to get through BUDS

00:57:39.060 | is it

00:57:39.420 | and is F you

00:57:40.880 | to the instructors

00:57:42.380 | or whoever

00:57:42.900 | to the cold water

00:57:44.200 | is that part

00:57:44.860 | is that a critical bin

00:57:46.060 | it is

00:57:47.900 | and it isn't

00:57:48.860 | because sometimes

00:57:49.540 | you get caught up

00:57:50.140 | in the moment

00:57:50.520 | you don't even think about it

00:57:51.620 | you just want to finish

00:57:52.860 | that evolution

00:57:53.540 | so when you're doing

00:57:54.800 | a four mile timed run

00:57:56.000 | that was one of the big things

00:57:57.480 | you have to do

00:57:58.080 | a four mile timed run

00:57:59.040 | it's got to be

00:57:59.880 | I think a seven minute mile

00:58:01.580 | or less

00:58:02.360 | and nowhere in there

00:58:03.800 | does it say

00:58:04.400 | the condition of the beach

00:58:05.540 | matters

00:58:06.200 | so if it's high tide

00:58:07.560 | low tide

00:58:08.120 | you have to run it

00:58:08.780 | on the berm

00:58:09.220 | and soft sand

00:58:09.840 | the time standard

00:58:10.420 | is the time standard

00:58:11.100 | and talk to anybody

00:58:13.300 | at any point

00:58:14.700 | in that training

00:58:15.280 | you are going to hit a wall

00:58:16.440 | where you think

00:58:17.000 | your heart's going to stop

00:58:17.820 | like if I take one more step

00:58:19.400 | I'll die right here

00:58:20.460 | because your heart rate's so high

00:58:21.500 | and you're like

00:58:22.100 | I can't do it

00:58:23.120 | and at some point

00:58:24.240 | you just don't care

00:58:25.120 | you're like

00:58:25.520 | I'd rather fall

00:58:27.420 | stone cold dead

00:58:28.280 | in front of all of them

00:58:28.960 | and die right here

00:58:29.680 | than I would

00:58:30.180 | failing or quitting

00:58:31.220 | yeah at least

00:58:31.640 | you don't have to go home

00:58:32.480 | head hanging and shame

00:58:33.560 | exactly

00:58:34.160 | you just push anyway

00:58:35.340 | sometimes you'll get it

00:58:36.760 | you'll be getting

00:58:37.200 | surf tortured

00:58:37.760 | by the instructors

00:58:38.640 | and just laying down

00:58:39.640 | that 60 degree water

00:58:40.860 | just miserable

00:58:41.880 | and I tell this story

00:58:43.620 | quite a bit

00:58:44.120 | we had dudes

00:58:45.500 | getting up and leaving

00:58:46.320 | mass exodus

00:58:47.340 | just

00:58:47.640 | and the biggest

00:58:48.580 | strongest dudes

00:58:49.220 | it's broad daylight

00:58:50.240 | 70 degrees

00:58:51.600 | on Coronado Island

00:58:52.560 | the most beautiful day

00:58:53.360 | you've ever seen

00:58:54.140 | we're laying there

00:58:55.180 | just jackhammering

00:58:56.260 | and you look over

00:58:57.480 | and all the west coast

00:58:58.140 | SEAL teams

00:58:58.620 | are up to your right

00:58:59.660 | and you can see

00:59:00.500 | SEAL team 1

00:59:01.140 | out there doing log PT

00:59:02.240 | feel like they're

00:59:02.960 | morning PT

00:59:03.540 | and you can look

00:59:05.000 | it down to the left

00:59:05.560 | and you can see

00:59:05.860 | the Hotel Del

00:59:06.500 | and this little

00:59:07.600 | what I call

00:59:08.380 | a 7 year old

00:59:09.080 | with a big pink flamingo

00:59:10.640 | jumping in the water

00:59:11.760 | having the best time

00:59:12.560 | of their life

00:59:13.060 | and I'm like

00:59:13.500 | it's all about

00:59:14.920 | your perspective

00:59:15.520 | be a palace

00:59:16.240 | or a prison

00:59:16.760 | however you want

00:59:17.780 | to see it right now

00:59:18.420 | that

00:59:19.020 | they're still doing it

00:59:20.420 | that kid

00:59:21.200 | time of their life

00:59:22.020 | and we're in

00:59:22.260 | the exact same water

00:59:23.100 | just change your mindset

00:59:24.460 | this is all part

00:59:25.280 | of the process

00:59:25.780 | and if you want

00:59:26.580 | to wear that shiny

00:59:27.280 | gold thing on your chest

00:59:28.180 | you must do this

00:59:29.160 | just do it

00:59:30.360 | and I remember

00:59:31.280 | that was one of the things

00:59:31.960 | like you're not going

00:59:32.740 | to break me

00:59:33.220 | no matter what you say

00:59:34.120 | I'll die right here

00:59:35.020 | in this water

00:59:35.480 | I don't care

00:59:36.080 | and that kind of

00:59:38.340 | that mindset

00:59:38.900 | has really been beneficial

00:59:39.840 | throughout the entire

00:59:40.600 | process

00:59:40.860 | because there's parts of

00:59:41.780 | there's parts of buds

00:59:42.740 | and parts of being

00:59:43.380 | in special operations

00:59:45.080 | where you think

00:59:45.940 | it's going to kill you

00:59:47.520 | and then a certain point

00:59:49.140 | you just don't care

00:59:50.160 | if it kills me

00:59:51.640 | it kills me

00:59:52.000 | I don't care

00:59:52.340 | and you get through it

00:59:54.200 | like

00:59:54.420 | you know

00:59:55.620 | I'm so terrified

00:59:56.460 | of heights

00:59:56.860 | like I can't jump

00:59:57.460 | out of the back

00:59:57.840 | of this airplane

00:59:58.280 | you watch 15 guys

00:59:59.320 | go in front of you

00:59:59.860 | and you get right

01:00:00.300 | to the ramp

01:00:00.720 | and you go

01:00:01.000 | I don't care

01:00:01.800 | and you just

01:00:02.380 | for whatever reason

01:00:03.600 | they just jump

01:00:04.320 | like what made you jump

01:00:05.840 | like everybody else

01:00:07.240 | did it

01:00:07.520 | I didn't want to be

01:00:08.580 | the guy who said no

01:00:09.520 | sometimes that

01:00:10.820 | that performance anxiety

01:00:12.260 | that pressure

01:00:12.820 | to perform on demand

01:00:13.840 | it gets you

01:00:14.760 | through the hump

01:00:15.340 | and it shows you

01:00:16.180 | there is nothing

01:00:17.320 | if it can be done

01:00:17.960 | by a human being

01:00:18.660 | I can do it

01:00:19.380 | and it just

01:00:20.860 | it rings true

01:00:21.980 | it's like

01:00:22.280 | how far can you run

01:00:23.480 | as far as I have to

01:00:24.340 | well how fast can you run

01:00:25.580 | as fast as I can

01:00:26.480 | like

01:00:27.620 | if you can run that

01:00:28.980 | I can run it

01:00:29.500 | if you can get up

01:00:30.120 | and over that mountain

01:00:30.680 | I can do it too

01:00:31.360 | how are you going to do it

01:00:32.400 | one step at a time brother

01:00:33.600 | here we go

01:00:34.360 | and it

01:00:35.360 | it makes you so

01:00:36.520 | mentally resilient

01:00:37.400 | and I think that's the

01:00:38.960 | that's really the defining factor

01:00:40.880 | is you can make them

01:00:41.740 | believe in their mind

01:00:42.560 | they can get through anything

01:00:43.480 | now collectively as a group

01:00:45.160 | now you stack 25

01:00:46.180 | of those true believers together

01:00:47.400 | you can do anything

01:00:48.380 | and I've seen some dudes

01:00:49.720 | do some Herculean feats

01:00:51.140 | and they do it

01:00:52.300 | just because they're too afraid

01:00:53.280 | to say no

01:00:53.840 | can you do that

01:00:55.300 | yep

01:00:56.080 | you sure

01:00:56.820 | if it can be done

01:00:58.540 | I'll do it

01:00:59.020 | I've seen it time and time again

01:01:00.920 | but yeah I mean

01:01:01.960 | everybody hits those moments

01:01:02.720 | and buds

01:01:03.060 | where it's just

01:01:03.520 | I cannot believe

01:01:05.620 | I'm doing this right now

01:01:06.680 | but it's magic

01:01:08.100 | once you get through it

01:01:08.860 | it's awesome

01:01:10.080 | I mean I

01:01:10.760 | I think setting a threshold

01:01:12.980 | for

01:01:13.420 | if it kills me

01:01:14.560 | it kills me

01:01:15.080 | is in many contexts

01:01:16.600 | is unhealthy

01:01:17.480 | but in that context

01:01:18.700 | is

01:01:19.100 | yeah

01:01:20.560 | healthy

01:01:21.480 | adaptive

01:01:22.060 | it's called adaptive

01:01:23.400 | I'm not going to decide

01:01:24.700 | what's healthy or unhealthy

01:01:25.520 | I'm sure some people

01:01:26.200 | are listening to this

01:01:26.940 | and they're thinking

01:01:27.280 | oh god

01:01:27.640 | like this is how

01:01:28.340 | this is how guys

01:01:29.420 | get themselves killed

01:01:30.280 | and indeed

01:01:31.000 | outside of the context

01:01:32.720 | of buds

01:01:33.020 | that's

01:01:33.820 | yeah

01:01:34.240 | sometimes guys do

01:01:35.320 | dumb stuff

01:01:35.940 | I always say

01:01:36.540 | there's something about

01:01:37.860 | having a Y chromosome

01:01:38.740 | that through

01:01:39.480 | you know

01:01:40.160 | I wasn't around

01:01:40.680 | tens of thousands

01:01:41.240 | of years ago

01:01:41.840 | but I'm guessing

01:01:42.340 | the first homo sapien male

01:01:44.200 | who picked up a rock

01:01:45.460 | the first thing he did

01:01:46.160 | hit himself in the head

01:01:46.980 | with it

01:01:47.200 | and was like ouch

01:01:47.840 | then he hit the guy

01:01:48.720 | next to him with it

01:01:49.500 | and he go ouch

01:01:50.200 | and then they decide

01:01:50.860 | to take it

01:01:51.260 | and throw it against a wall

01:01:52.160 | and see what happens

01:01:52.880 | and on and on

01:01:54.020 | and here we are

01:01:54.860 | you know

01:01:56.340 | and obviously

01:01:56.940 | you know

01:01:57.940 | those with

01:01:58.880 | two X chromosomes

01:02:00.160 | took a different path

01:02:02.040 | and we need

01:02:02.620 | the collaboration

01:02:03.600 | in order to survive

01:02:04.600 | as a species

01:02:05.180 | obviously

01:02:05.860 | but there's

01:02:06.820 | something about that

01:02:07.780 | let's just see

01:02:08.460 | what happens if

01:02:09.220 | and if it kills me

01:02:09.900 | it kills me

01:02:10.440 | that actually

01:02:11.460 | is a core feature

01:02:12.280 | of human evolution

01:02:13.040 | that's brought us

01:02:13.760 | to some incredible

01:02:14.840 | positive places

01:02:15.980 | so clearly buds

01:02:17.340 | is one such

01:02:18.300 | micro environment

01:02:19.160 | so you make it through

01:02:21.400 | and then I realize

01:02:22.640 | there are a lot

01:02:23.020 | of other iterations

01:02:23.780 | there's jump school

01:02:24.800 | and there's a bunch

01:02:25.380 | of other things

01:02:25.960 | and you often

01:02:28.260 | you start

01:02:30.060 | oping right away

01:02:30.920 | yeah I get stationed

01:02:32.320 | at SEAL Team 10

01:02:33.040 | in Virginia Beach

01:02:34.120 | Virginia

01:02:34.420 | and we deploy

01:02:35.820 | in 2005

01:02:37.180 | the Iraq war

01:02:38.160 | had just kicked off

01:02:38.980 | so we

01:02:39.920 | I check in

01:02:40.880 | and it was early

01:02:42.380 | 04

01:02:43.020 | and we deployed

01:02:43.840 | yeah we deployed

01:02:46.020 | probably 7 months later

01:02:47.060 | and sent out

01:02:48.280 | Iraq was phenomenal

01:02:50.520 | everything you ever

01:02:51.780 | wanted it to be

01:02:52.460 | scary

01:02:53.120 | like you don't

01:02:53.720 | know anything

01:02:54.360 | the IEDs

01:02:56.420 | were really bad

01:02:57.160 | and just

01:02:57.480 | being a really young kid

01:02:59.120 | I mean I was stormtrooping

01:02:59.940 | out Iraq

01:03:00.900 | and 19 years old

01:03:02.120 | I mean

01:03:03.020 | you forget how young

01:03:04.060 | you are at 19

01:03:04.800 | so you're 19

01:03:05.540 | you're kicking doors

01:03:06.380 | down

01:03:06.820 | driving in Humvees

01:03:08.600 | blowing stuff up

01:03:09.440 | yeah

01:03:09.960 | and seeing friends

01:03:10.940 | get blown up

01:03:11.600 | if you talk to anybody

01:03:13.100 | who's in Iraq

01:03:13.960 | the chances of you

01:03:15.060 | not hitting an IED

01:03:16.060 | were so rare

01:03:17.660 | and we never hit one

01:03:19.060 | they'd hit the convoy

01:03:20.700 | in front of us

01:03:21.300 | the one behind us

01:03:22.420 | we'd get delayed

01:03:23.380 | at the gate

01:03:23.840 | for two minutes

01:03:24.580 | we'd turn and boom

01:03:25.780 | they'd go off

01:03:26.280 | in front of you

01:03:26.800 | they're just not hitting

01:03:28.420 | they're hitting

01:03:28.820 | everybody else but you

01:03:29.820 | and you know

01:03:31.360 | you would tell yourself

01:03:32.220 | things like

01:03:32.720 | oh the reason

01:03:33.540 | they're not doing it

01:03:34.180 | is because we look

01:03:34.700 | so aggressive

01:03:35.480 | because we have flames

01:03:36.960 | and death skulls

01:03:38.180 | on the Humvees

01:03:38.880 | it's not that man

01:03:40.300 | it's just

01:03:41.220 | it's not your time

01:03:41.900 | you'd be the best

01:03:42.800 | trained dude in the world

01:03:43.640 | and that IED hits you

01:03:44.660 | the lights are over

01:03:45.880 | and on that deployment

01:03:48.460 | we lost all the guys

01:03:49.340 | in Operation Red Wings

01:03:50.380 | in Afghanistan

01:03:50.920 | that was the other half

01:03:51.760 | of our SEAL team

01:03:52.440 | that was an idea

01:03:53.380 | that was the

01:03:54.040 | that was the helicopter

01:03:54.580 | that the

01:03:55.120 | the now

01:03:57.500 | I don't know whether

01:03:58.480 | I'd call it famous

01:03:59.220 | or infamous

01:03:59.680 | forgive me

01:04:00.160 | I'm gonna step in it

01:04:01.320 | one way or the other

01:04:02.080 | Lone Survivor

01:04:03.820 | amazing book

01:04:04.960 | I should say

01:04:05.700 | I really

01:04:06.040 | I really enjoyed the book

01:04:06.840 | the movie does

01:04:07.480 | I think a pretty good job

01:04:08.740 | of extracting

01:04:09.400 | some of the key moments

01:04:10.540 | from the book

01:04:11.060 | but more than a movie

01:04:12.780 | or a book

01:04:13.160 | it's a true story

01:04:14.700 | and that's the

01:04:16.360 | the four guys

01:04:17.000 | that got

01:04:17.380 | the three of them

01:04:19.060 | got killed

01:04:19.600 | on the ground

01:04:20.420 | and then one helicopter

01:04:21.580 | blown up

01:04:22.260 | attempting to come

01:04:23.820 | save them

01:04:24.540 | to save the

01:04:25.840 | the one guy

01:04:26.660 | save the one guy

01:04:27.000 | yeah Marcus

01:04:27.740 | and that was so hard

01:04:29.020 | to wrap your head around

01:04:29.780 | as a 19 year old

01:04:30.680 | so you gotta think

01:04:31.500 | you know in my mind

01:04:32.740 | I'd essentially been

01:04:33.900 | in the community

01:04:34.600 | for 19 years

01:04:35.360 | up at that point

01:04:35.940 | and during my dad's time

01:04:38.240 | it was peace time

01:04:38.980 | the whole time

01:04:39.460 | so you weren't going

01:04:40.700 | to funerals

01:04:41.460 | all day long

01:04:42.180 | like Navy SEALs

01:04:43.300 | getting killed

01:04:43.860 | was

01:04:44.260 | it was like folklore

01:04:45.800 | it's like oh

01:04:46.840 | it's a bad training

01:04:47.620 | a bad parachute accident

01:04:49.080 | you know we had

01:04:50.060 | Neil Roberts got killed

01:04:51.040 | in the early G-Watt

01:04:52.240 | in Afghanistan

01:04:52.780 | Roberts Ridge

01:04:53.640 | you ever heard of that story

01:04:54.920 | that's a gnarly one

01:04:55.760 | Russell Benske

01:04:56.680 | got the Medal of Honor

01:04:57.380 | John Chapman

01:04:58.040 | the Air Force guy

01:04:58.660 | got the Medal of Honor

01:04:59.380 | gnarly firefight

01:05:00.820 | but outside of that

01:05:02.160 | it wasn't happening

01:05:03.640 | very often

01:05:04.320 | and then when

01:05:05.400 | all those guys

01:05:06.320 | got killed in one shot

01:05:07.320 | it was like a slap

01:05:08.140 | of reality

01:05:08.720 | they were the best

01:05:11.020 | dudes you've ever seen

01:05:11.640 | like they were

01:05:12.580 | the highest

01:05:13.060 | like unbelievably trained

01:05:15.260 | unbelievable experience

01:05:16.340 | and they're gone

01:05:16.900 | in an instant

01:05:17.380 | no goodbye

01:05:18.080 | no fanfare

01:05:19.060 | no you know

01:05:20.060 | holding him

01:05:20.620 | like tell my mother

01:05:21.260 | it's nothing like Hollywood

01:05:22.640 | they're gone

01:05:23.520 | and that was kept

01:05:24.340 | under wraps

01:05:24.900 | for a long time

01:05:25.540 | before the book

01:05:26.180 | and the movie

01:05:26.680 | I mean people really

01:05:27.580 | didn't know

01:05:28.000 | there wasn't a lot

01:05:28.540 | of discussion

01:05:29.000 | about SEALs

01:05:29.880 | no

01:05:30.520 | it wasn't in popular

01:05:31.960 | culture

01:05:32.300 | when the book

01:05:33.200 | came out

01:05:33.660 | it started to gain

01:05:34.300 | steam

01:05:34.740 | and people started

01:05:35.300 | to read more

01:05:36.760 | about it

01:05:37.100 | but for being

01:05:38.020 | inside the SEAL teams

01:05:38.920 | that was your own

01:05:40.040 | private 9-11

01:05:41.080 | every single SEAL

01:05:43.220 | cried in an instant

01:05:44.240 | throwing up

01:05:45.440 | I mean just

01:05:46.060 | you cannot believe

01:05:46.880 | that just happened

01:05:47.600 | and then for everybody

01:05:48.600 | else who's still

01:05:49.200 | fighting the war

01:05:49.760 | you have to try

01:05:50.900 | to explain to your

01:05:51.660 | wife and your family

01:05:52.560 | why that's not

01:05:53.100 | going to happen to you

01:05:53.720 | and it's a lie

01:05:55.040 | it's not like

01:05:56.400 | they did anything wrong

01:05:57.160 | that's just the way

01:05:58.260 | it is

01:05:58.560 | sometimes it just happens

01:05:59.760 | you were married

01:06:00.520 | at this point

01:06:01.100 | I wasn't single

01:06:02.240 | thank God

01:06:03.020 | intentionally

01:06:03.660 | intentionally

01:06:04.640 | yeah

01:06:05.180 | I try to wait

01:06:06.920 | as long as humanly

01:06:07.680 | possible

01:06:08.040 | to try to do that

01:06:09.240 | good advice

01:06:10.300 | but yeah

01:06:11.080 | it's hard

01:06:11.940 | it's hard to try to

01:06:13.120 | it's hard to do

01:06:14.360 | that job at full time

01:06:15.600 | and trying to be

01:06:16.700 | a full time

01:06:17.240 | boyfriend

01:06:17.980 | that turns into

01:06:18.580 | a fiance

01:06:19.040 | that turns into

01:06:19.600 | a husband

01:06:20.000 | turns into a father

01:06:20.980 | it's very hard

01:06:22.260 | unless you're able

01:06:23.540 | to compartmentalize

01:06:24.520 | really really well

01:06:25.240 | and fortunately for us

01:06:27.140 | that's the thing

01:06:28.240 | you're the best at

01:06:28.920 | is I can wall it off

01:06:30.140 | so fast

01:06:30.900 | and never think

01:06:31.700 | about you again

01:06:32.300 | now when you transition

01:06:33.960 | out of the military

01:06:34.540 | that's not really

01:06:35.480 | a superpower anymore

01:06:36.380 | but in a moment

01:06:38.420 | it served you

01:06:38.960 | so as more and more

01:06:40.900 | guys are getting killed

01:06:41.760 | did you find that

01:06:44.420 | getting into action

01:06:45.840 | each day

01:06:46.420 | the same way

01:06:46.900 | that you describe

01:06:47.420 | civilian life now

01:06:48.620 | and getting into action

01:06:50.320 | each day

01:06:50.740 | being really adaptive

01:06:51.560 | did you find that

01:06:52.480 | that was key

01:06:53.180 | to being able

01:06:54.440 | to not go down

01:06:56.020 | mental traps

01:06:56.760 | and at the same time

01:06:58.480 | I acknowledge

01:06:59.360 | that you must have

01:07:00.300 | also just been

01:07:00.820 | really busy

01:07:01.320 | there's stuff

01:07:01.720 | coming at you

01:07:02.240 | all the time

01:07:02.720 | like just because

01:07:03.300 | I mean it sounds

01:07:04.600 | cold

01:07:05.060 | but just because

01:07:05.640 | guys get killed

01:07:06.380 | doesn't mean that

01:07:07.200 | the opping stops

01:07:08.700 | in fact it probably

01:07:09.720 | picks up even more

01:07:10.800 | you go out the next night

01:07:12.020 | you have to

01:07:12.940 | you gotta keep going

01:07:13.900 | you gotta get back

01:07:14.360 | on the horse

01:07:14.740 | keep going

01:07:15.180 | the last thing

01:07:16.000 | that we wanted

01:07:17.160 | is those guys

01:07:17.980 | get killed

01:07:18.460 | let's pull them

01:07:19.440 | all back

01:07:19.740 | let's take

01:07:20.200 | you know

01:07:20.540 | six months

01:07:21.100 | to you know

01:07:22.580 | regroup

01:07:23.200 | no

01:07:23.980 | no no no

01:07:25.080 | we gotta go out

01:07:25.980 | right now

01:07:26.580 | same thing with

01:07:27.520 | the parachute axe

01:07:28.280 | and I told you

01:07:28.660 | about the

01:07:29.000 | the electric

01:07:29.700 | I gotta do it

01:07:30.480 | right away

01:07:31.100 | if I don't get

01:07:31.660 | back on the horse

01:07:32.240 | I'll just build up

01:07:33.160 | this this dread

01:07:34.420 | and I'll lose

01:07:34.920 | my confidence

01:07:35.540 | in the whole process

01:07:36.460 | like we have to go

01:07:37.560 | and NSW did

01:07:39.040 | everybody did

01:07:39.780 | full gas

01:07:40.960 | full steam ahead

01:07:41.600 | let's go

01:07:42.160 | and just kept going

01:07:43.920 | we did another one

01:07:44.640 | in 2007

01:07:45.900 | if you've seen

01:07:46.880 | the stuff with

01:07:47.400 | Jason Redman

01:07:48.440 | I talked about

01:07:49.060 | my buddy

01:07:49.780 | Matty getting shot up

01:07:50.560 | that 2007

01:07:51.260 | deployment

01:07:51.820 | was dicey

01:07:53.320 | but it's the same thing

01:07:55.820 | like two of your

01:07:56.320 | close friends

01:07:56.940 | yeah

01:07:57.600 | and you know

01:07:59.240 | pretty mangled

01:08:00.180 | crazy mangled

01:08:02.640 | and you know

01:08:04.500 | you start to find out

01:08:05.400 | really really fast

01:08:06.300 | it doesn't matter

01:08:06.980 | how much you train

01:08:08.140 | if your number's called

01:08:09.900 | you're getting pulled

01:08:11.180 | and it's hard to justify

01:08:13.600 | because now you have

01:08:14.540 | a girlfriend

01:08:14.940 | you have all this stuff

01:08:16.040 | and people are dying

01:08:17.000 | and you have to reassure

01:08:17.880 | them why it's not

01:08:18.640 | gonna happen to you

01:08:19.660 | and you get really

01:08:20.780 | good at compartmentalization

01:08:21.720 | like I can't control that

01:08:23.240 | the only thing I can't

01:08:23.940 | control is this

01:08:24.560 | I'm shooting as much

01:08:25.860 | as I can

01:08:26.300 | I'm doing as much

01:08:26.960 | CQB as I can

01:08:28.020 | I'm jumping as much

01:08:28.960 | as I can

01:08:29.460 | I'm around the boys

01:08:30.740 | building team camaraderie

01:08:31.920 | as much as humanly possible

01:08:33.360 | because I can't control

01:08:34.780 | anything else

01:08:35.320 | control the things

01:08:36.440 | you can't control

01:08:37.040 | building confidence

01:08:38.440 | but reality

01:08:39.700 | when it slaps

01:08:40.400 | it slaps hard

01:08:41.120 | and definitely slapped us

01:08:42.800 | as the public understanding

01:08:45.800 | of what the seals

01:08:47.500 | even were

01:08:48.600 | and are

01:08:49.120 | started to grow

01:08:49.960 | and change

01:08:50.560 | in the movies

01:08:51.380 | the lone survivor movie

01:08:52.780 | and I should think

01:08:53.920 | again I think

01:08:55.080 | they did a good job

01:08:56.080 | with the movie

01:08:56.400 | I know the book

01:08:56.980 | and the movie

01:08:57.340 | were approved

01:08:57.800 | by the military

01:08:58.360 | so there was a lot

01:08:59.040 | of kind of vetting

01:09:00.980 | of the material

01:09:01.900 | but I think

01:09:02.360 | it hit powerfully

01:09:04.000 | at the time

01:09:04.360 | I was living

01:09:04.720 | in San Diego

01:09:05.300 | so you know

01:09:06.420 | the movie theaters

01:09:07.540 | were packed

01:09:07.940 | but that was

01:09:08.280 | true everywhere

01:09:09.000 | I mean it made

01:09:09.680 | a big impact

01:09:10.420 | but then with like

01:09:12.960 | the Bin Laden thing

01:09:14.380 | you know being

01:09:14.820 | you know televising

01:09:15.960 | the White House

01:09:17.020 | watching

01:09:18.220 | and you know

01:09:18.780 | I feel like

01:09:19.520 | the whole world

01:09:21.180 | came to understand

01:09:22.180 | that there were

01:09:22.600 | these guys

01:09:23.400 | called Navy Seals

01:09:24.200 | and they're doing

01:09:24.900 | this really dangerous

01:09:25.700 | stuff

01:09:26.720 | and taking out

01:09:27.960 | bad guys

01:09:28.580 | was there anything

01:09:30.960 | that changed

01:09:31.520 | about the job

01:09:33.140 | just knowing

01:09:34.200 | that it wasn't

01:09:35.280 | as vaulted

01:09:37.860 | as it once was

01:09:38.900 | I mean what you're

01:09:39.840 | doing is vaulted

01:09:41.620 | on a day-to-day basis

01:09:42.960 | but you know

01:09:44.000 | just this idea

01:09:44.560 | like this is in movies

01:09:45.620 | and there it is

01:09:47.080 | on the cover CNN

01:09:48.120 | there's Obama

01:09:48.940 | and you know

01:09:49.620 | Secretary of Defense

01:09:50.980 | watching the op

01:09:52.040 | you know

01:09:52.360 | and people

01:09:53.260 | then there's a movie

01:09:53.960 | made about it

01:09:54.460 | very quickly

01:09:55.040 | and it was

01:09:56.420 | I mean it was all

01:09:56.980 | happening

01:09:57.360 | and it was weird

01:09:58.240 | in real time

01:09:59.180 | and on the movies

01:10:01.520 | and it just

01:10:02.360 | for a civilian

01:10:04.380 | it was a little bit

01:10:05.320 | of a mind bend

01:10:06.780 | I can't even imagine

01:10:07.500 | what it was like

01:10:08.020 | if that's your job

01:10:09.120 | and so much

01:10:09.940 | of being able

01:10:10.360 | to perform the job

01:10:11.120 | well relies on

01:10:12.560 | people not knowing

01:10:13.700 | what you're doing

01:10:14.240 | and how you do it

01:10:15.240 | what was that like?

01:10:16.200 | Terrible

01:10:17.080 | terrible

01:10:18.320 | I mean

01:10:19.800 | the very next day

01:10:20.740 | you couldn't drive

01:10:21.720 | on the compound

01:10:22.300 | every news channel

01:10:23.840 | across America

01:10:24.540 | was sitting outside

01:10:25.240 | of that thing

01:10:25.720 | and not only

01:10:26.240 | taking photos

01:10:26.940 | everybody comes in

01:10:27.840 | they know

01:10:29.340 | what you look like

01:10:30.000 | they're looking

01:10:30.760 | for guys

01:10:31.180 | with long hair

01:10:31.900 | beards

01:10:32.300 | covered in tattoos

01:10:33.060 | driving

01:10:33.600 | jacked up

01:10:35.540 | pickup trucks

01:10:36.060 | that's what

01:10:36.360 | they're looking

01:10:36.600 | for

01:10:36.820 | and now

01:10:37.740 | you can't

01:10:38.080 | go anywhere

01:10:38.400 | now they're

01:10:38.840 | going out in town

01:10:39.500 | to all the bars

01:10:40.200 | and restaurants

01:10:40.680 | you go to

01:10:41.240 | and they're

01:10:41.560 | pulling you aside

01:10:42.220 | asking you

01:10:42.820 | it's like

01:10:43.580 | it's very uncomfortable

01:10:44.540 | they'll see wives

01:10:45.740 | in there

01:10:46.100 | with a little

01:10:46.780 | trident stick

01:10:47.360 | on the back

01:10:47.700 | of their car

01:10:48.060 | they'll nail her

01:10:48.560 | in a Whole Foods

01:10:49.080 | parking lot

01:10:49.500 | your husband

01:10:49.880 | nobody's ever done

01:10:52.780 | this before

01:10:53.240 | it's like

01:10:53.600 | mom's the word

01:10:54.740 | everybody kind of

01:10:55.440 | just collapsed

01:10:55.940 | on ourselves

01:10:56.460 | and really really

01:10:57.120 | tried to hush

01:10:57.620 | this thing down

01:10:58.160 | but it made the job

01:10:59.500 | very very difficult

01:11:00.900 | it felt like you were

01:11:02.540 | just under a microscope

01:11:03.180 | the entire time

01:11:03.940 | and then when extortion

01:11:05.440 | happened

01:11:05.880 | then everybody

01:11:07.380 | started that

01:11:08.000 | it was an inside job

01:11:10.220 | you know

01:11:10.480 | they come on man

01:11:11.580 | I know

01:11:12.040 | it's probably not

01:11:12.840 | something you want

01:11:13.240 | to get into

01:11:13.680 | but maybe just

01:11:14.160 | explain for people

01:11:14.900 | what extortion

01:11:15.640 | 17 was

01:11:17.060 | and why that

01:11:18.980 | was so additionally

01:11:20.120 | impactful

01:11:20.820 | after what happened

01:11:22.840 | with Operation Red Wings

01:11:24.200 | yeah I mean

01:11:25.060 | you know

01:11:25.340 | we had Operation Red Wings

01:11:26.400 | that happened

01:11:26.760 | June 28 2005

01:11:27.880 | you had a bunch

01:11:29.540 | of really historic

01:11:30.480 | things that led up

01:11:31.400 | after that

01:11:31.960 | you had the rescue

01:11:32.920 | of Captain Phillips

01:11:33.680 | in 2009

01:11:34.460 | that was a huge

01:11:35.640 | milestone win

01:11:36.400 | like everybody's

01:11:37.260 | cool

01:11:37.660 | yeah yeah yeah

01:11:38.420 | and they made a movie

01:11:39.240 | they made a movie

01:11:39.940 | and it's great

01:11:40.540 | and like

01:11:40.820 | but nobody in the teams

01:11:42.580 | is on social media

01:11:43.520 | they're not on

01:11:44.240 | I didn't watch

01:11:44.940 | a YouTube video

01:11:45.560 | my entire time

01:11:46.180 | in the SEAL teams

01:11:46.740 | like what do I

01:11:48.080 | watch a YouTube video

01:11:48.780 | for

01:11:49.020 | like nobody knew

01:11:50.800 | how bad it was

01:11:51.740 | spinning outside

01:11:52.300 | of your control

01:11:52.940 | and nobody

01:11:54.400 | Bin Laden happens

01:11:56.820 | and then August 6th

01:12:00.260 | 2011

01:12:00.820 | we lose an entire

01:12:02.380 | troop of guys

01:12:03.200 | in Afghanistan

01:12:03.720 | Hilo gets shot down

01:12:05.820 | kills them all

01:12:06.520 | in an instant

01:12:07.040 | killed 31 total people

01:12:08.500 | and it was like

01:12:10.200 | we were reliving

01:12:11.080 | June 28th again

01:12:12.560 | but now it's

01:12:13.520 | double as bad

01:12:14.480 | and now you truly

01:12:16.060 | have the best

01:12:16.920 | that have ever

01:12:17.580 | suited up

01:12:18.280 | if you look at

01:12:18.940 | the experience level

01:12:19.780 | they have

01:12:20.240 | most of those guys

01:12:20.940 | were pre-9-11 guys

01:12:22.220 | 10-12 combat rotations

01:12:24.480 | gone

01:12:25.480 | you'll never replace it

01:12:27.180 | never

01:12:27.500 | you've never

01:12:28.680 | filled that void

01:12:29.520 | since that moment

01:12:30.320 | and then you have

01:12:31.660 | all these people

01:12:32.180 | just hateful rhetorically

01:12:33.820 | always an inside job

01:12:35.680 | and you know

01:12:36.680 | they knew too much

01:12:38.180 | they knew

01:12:38.460 | they were on the

01:12:39.060 | Bin Laden raid

01:12:39.600 | so we killed them

01:12:40.320 | do you know

01:12:41.260 | how hard that is

01:12:41.980 | living in Virginia Beach

01:12:42.880 | doing that job

01:12:43.760 | seeing those wives

01:12:44.520 | at Whole Foods

01:12:45.120 | wearing a memorial t-shirt

01:12:46.160 | knowing you're saying that

01:12:47.260 | do you know

01:12:48.120 | what that does

01:12:48.500 | to a family

01:12:48.940 | you know

01:12:49.180 | what that does

01:12:49.480 | to little kids

01:12:50.020 | who wake up

01:12:50.680 | and they read

01:12:51.380 | the comment section

01:12:52.060 | mom was dad killed

01:12:53.440 | yeah

01:12:54.600 | was he killed

01:12:55.260 | by the government

01:12:55.760 | that's what they read

01:12:56.800 | because that's what

01:12:57.300 | you're saying

01:12:57.780 | and it's not the truth

01:12:58.920 | it's just not

01:13:00.060 | that was an op

01:13:02.200 | that went wrong

01:13:02.640 | it's a dangerous job

01:13:04.480 | and when you fly

01:13:05.080 | in those big

01:13:05.620 | gigantic black helicopters

01:13:06.860 | and they're slow

01:13:07.520 | to land

01:13:07.920 | you can shoot them

01:13:08.780 | and that's what happened

01:13:09.660 | and it's as simple as that

01:13:12.740 | it's a dangerous job

01:13:13.660 | like what are you gonna do

01:13:15.540 | but it is very hard

01:13:16.520 | to live in Virginia Beach

01:13:17.340 | that is so small

01:13:19.300 | everywhere you go

01:13:20.540 | it's around you

01:13:21.280 | I mean you're sipping

01:13:22.500 | through black t-shirts

01:13:23.300 | all day long

01:13:23.800 | which memorial shirt

01:13:24.580 | are you gonna wear

01:13:25.060 | it just is

01:13:26.320 | and now you get there

01:13:27.420 | now people are starting

01:13:28.160 | to erode that from you

01:13:29.100 | and it really starts

01:13:30.080 | to lose your confidence

01:13:30.840 | so for me

01:13:31.960 | now I'm married

01:13:32.920 | I'm in the organization

01:13:34.520 | we had to fill

01:13:37.220 | we had to fill

01:13:38.160 | a lot of those guys

01:13:38.900 | from other squadrons

01:13:40.160 | and one of my best friends

01:13:41.700 | had to go over

01:13:42.260 | and unfortunately

01:13:43.180 | he got killed

01:13:43.780 | in December 8, 2012

01:13:46.380 | on a hostage rescue

01:13:47.700 | Ed Byers got the Medal of Honor

01:13:49.260 | for that operation

01:13:50.080 | my buddy got the Navy Cross

01:13:51.540 | and you know

01:13:53.360 | we went to Bud's together

01:13:54.180 | his name was Nick Check

01:13:55.000 | one of the greatest

01:13:56.780 | most pure operators

01:13:57.840 | you have ever met

01:13:58.700 | came from Pennsylvania

01:14:00.160 | big wrestler

01:14:01.120 | always in a gym

01:14:02.220 | always training

01:14:03.140 | he represented

01:14:05.220 | what the essence

01:14:05.940 | of being a Navy SEAL was

01:14:07.020 | and everyone knew it

01:14:08.300 | when he died

01:14:09.700 | a piece of me died

01:14:10.720 | that I've never gotten back

01:14:11.900 | I'm trying not to cry

01:14:13.360 | the hardest thing

01:14:15.740 | I've ever had to do

01:14:16.500 | was look at my wife

01:14:17.420 | and tell her

01:14:18.000 | that it wasn't gonna happen

01:14:18.840 | to me after he died

01:14:19.940 | because he was the true north

01:14:21.440 | so when she looks at me

01:14:22.220 | and she goes

01:14:22.660 | well the reason

01:14:23.640 | you're away from us

01:14:24.300 | the reason you spend

01:14:25.000 | 300 days on the road

01:14:26.000 | is because you're

01:14:26.580 | perfecting this craft

01:14:27.620 | because you say

01:14:28.300 | it buys down the risk

01:14:29.320 | what about that

01:14:30.940 | and you can't justify it

01:14:32.740 | you just look at it

01:14:34.980 | and you're like

01:14:35.240 | I just hope

01:14:38.060 | it's not my time

01:14:38.620 | I'm just gonna try

01:14:40.160 | to exhaust all my resources

01:14:41.620 | right now

01:14:42.000 | to put myself

01:14:42.540 | in the best position

01:14:43.420 | surrounded by the best people

01:14:44.780 | to buy down

01:14:45.760 | as much risk

01:14:46.360 | as humanly possible

01:14:47.040 | if my number's called

01:14:47.940 | it's called

01:14:48.360 | what do you want me to do

01:14:49.820 | and that's where

01:14:50.980 | the compartmentalization

01:14:51.740 | really took hold

01:14:52.560 | you have to be able

01:14:54.060 | to leave Virginia Beach

01:14:55.240 | your wife

01:14:56.220 | your two kids

01:14:57.180 | and completely block them out

01:14:58.920 | like I can't run

01:15:00.500 | through that door

01:15:01.080 | with bullets coming out

01:15:02.140 | of it

01:15:02.340 | thinking about my wife

01:15:03.140 | and kids

01:15:03.460 | and how I'm gonna

01:15:03.840 | orphan them

01:15:04.320 | you can't

01:15:05.360 | I don't have pictures

01:15:06.080 | in my room

01:15:06.700 | I'm not trying

01:15:07.800 | to FaceTime

01:15:08.340 | all the time

01:15:08.860 | I'm trying to

01:15:09.360 | separate myself out

01:15:10.280 | so I can just

01:15:10.880 | do this job

01:15:11.600 | and it makes you

01:15:12.360 | it makes you

01:15:13.500 | really distant

01:15:14.040 | it makes you

01:15:15.000 | not be the person

01:15:15.700 | you want to be

01:15:16.420 | or the person

01:15:16.840 | you used to be

01:15:17.660 | because you can't

01:15:19.020 | you've been the person

01:15:19.740 | you need to be

01:15:20.460 | in order to eventually

01:15:21.260 | be able to go back

01:15:22.100 | and become the person

01:15:22.900 | you want to be

01:15:23.580 | is what it sounds like

01:15:24.360 | to me

01:15:24.700 | and you know

01:15:25.680 | I say to the guys

01:15:26.640 | now

01:15:26.920 | and it'll sound

01:15:28.000 | messed up

01:15:28.480 | so forgive me

01:15:29.080 | but I never chased

01:15:31.280 | a guy who had

01:15:32.400 | a perfect family

01:15:33.060 | there was never

01:15:34.680 | a Navy SEAL

01:15:35.200 | I ever wanted

01:15:35.780 | to emulate

01:15:36.180 | who had the

01:15:36.840 | picture perfect family

01:15:37.740 | ever

01:15:38.100 | they were all

01:15:39.760 | either on their

01:15:40.340 | second marriage

01:15:41.180 | bad relationship

01:15:42.140 | with their kids

01:15:42.780 | because they were

01:15:43.280 | so devout at work

01:15:44.440 | and you looked

01:15:45.080 | at him like

01:15:45.520 | that's a master class

01:15:47.220 | like it's white

01:15:48.240 | it's like watching

01:15:49.080 | Tiger Woods

01:15:49.660 | drag around

01:15:50.580 | his golf bag

01:15:51.100 | that's the best

01:15:52.120 | it's ever been

01:15:52.800 | ever

01:15:53.380 | and he has no

01:15:54.620 | 50-50

01:15:55.520 | there is no dial

01:15:57.100 | for that man

01:15:57.620 | he is living this

01:15:58.500 | at 100%

01:15:59.740 | and the moment

01:16:00.320 | he retires

01:16:00.940 | I really hope

01:16:01.960 | he takes all that

01:16:03.140 | energy

01:16:03.420 | all that focus

01:16:04.180 | and becomes

01:16:04.960 | a better husband

01:16:05.480 | and father

01:16:05.840 | but you can't

01:16:06.760 | do it

01:16:07.020 | both ways

01:16:07.960 | my mind

01:16:09.080 | has come to

01:16:09.440 | change now

01:16:09.960 | but I've never

01:16:11.660 | seen it

01:16:12.180 | and I most certainly

01:16:13.100 | had no balance

01:16:13.840 | I wasn't even

01:16:14.840 | trying to find

01:16:15.560 | balance

01:16:15.860 | I was trying

01:16:16.300 | to wall them

01:16:16.820 | off

01:16:17.100 | as much as

01:16:17.960 | humanly possible

01:16:18.540 | to focus

01:16:18.940 | on the task

01:16:19.420 | at hand

01:16:19.780 | because any

01:16:20.800 | distraction

01:16:21.260 | was dangerous

01:16:22.660 | and it's hard

01:16:25.200 | to do

01:16:25.460 | but it was

01:16:26.600 | necessary

01:16:26.960 | at the time

01:16:27.420 | I don't know

01:16:29.080 | any high performers

01:16:29.980 | especially ultra

01:16:31.160 | high performers

01:16:31.840 | and especially

01:16:32.980 | ultra high performers

01:16:34.320 | in high risk

01:16:34.980 | high consequence

01:16:35.760 | careers

01:16:36.340 | that don't have

01:16:37.860 | some unresolved

01:16:39.880 | dark aspect

01:16:42.020 | of themselves

01:16:43.180 | of their life

01:16:43.820 | or something

01:16:44.180 | that you mentioned

01:16:45.100 | Tiger

01:16:45.500 | it's public knowledge

01:16:46.660 | he had issues

01:16:47.240 | outside of his

01:16:47.880 | golf game

01:16:48.380 | and it sounds

01:16:49.420 | like he's

01:16:49.660 | resolved

01:16:49.960 | I think he got

01:16:50.480 | married again

01:16:51.240 | recently

01:16:51.680 | and I think

01:16:53.080 | everyone should

01:16:53.720 | wish him the best

01:16:54.680 | and them the best

01:16:55.360 | especially in the United States

01:16:57.980 | we hold people up

01:16:59.000 | and we expect

01:17:03.260 | perfection

01:17:04.040 | from our

01:17:04.860 | so called heroes

01:17:06.260 | historically

01:17:07.140 | as well as

01:17:07.820 | ones that are alive

01:17:08.700 | and perfection

01:17:10.240 | doesn't exist

01:17:11.060 | because so much

01:17:12.220 | of what's required

01:17:12.940 | from high performance

01:17:13.760 | is total focus

01:17:15.760 | total compartmentalization

01:17:17.340 | and that being

01:17:18.440 | a human being

01:17:18.960 | is a lot more

01:17:19.660 | complicated than that

01:17:21.360 | it's something

01:17:22.320 | I think

01:17:22.580 | to keep in mind

01:17:23.460 | I also just want

01:17:24.620 | to just briefly

01:17:26.280 | double click

01:17:27.240 | on this

01:17:28.200 | this thing

01:17:29.000 | about comments

01:17:29.680 | you know

01:17:30.520 | I'm not gonna

01:17:31.040 | tell people

01:17:31.900 | stop saying

01:17:32.780 | mean stuff about me

01:17:33.800 | if they want to

01:17:34.300 | or mean stuff about somebody

01:17:35.100 | they're gonna do it anyway

01:17:35.880 | it's not the issue

01:17:37.940 | but when it comes

01:17:39.240 | leads to kids

01:17:40.100 | reading about

01:17:40.620 | their dead parents

01:17:42.460 | their dead dads

01:17:43.880 | in this case

01:17:45.080 | and last week

01:17:48.560 | we had a

01:17:49.080 | you know

01:17:49.580 | public assassination

01:17:51.500 | there's a dead dad

01:17:53.740 | and people

01:17:54.600 | making up theories

01:17:55.640 | and

01:17:56.780 | coming up with ideas

01:17:59.240 | that they somehow

01:17:59.940 | know things

01:18:01.040 | that other people

01:18:01.540 | don't know

01:18:02.120 | and sometimes

01:18:03.040 | these people

01:18:03.440 | have a professional

01:18:04.280 | background in politics

01:18:05.460 | or in the military

01:18:06.200 | or in law enforcement

01:18:08.140 | and it adds additional weight

01:18:09.800 | to these theories

01:18:10.760 | but

01:18:11.060 | the repercussions

01:18:12.420 | on the kids

01:18:13.500 | and family

01:18:14.100 | and the legacy

01:18:15.100 | is

01:18:15.400 | it's really bad

01:18:17.480 | it's really bad

01:18:18.940 | it's a shame

01:18:19.540 | there isn't a thicker filter

01:18:20.820 | I'm all for free speech

01:18:21.860 | 100% for free speech

01:18:23.920 | but

01:18:24.220 | there's a lot of damage

01:18:26.560 | done with those

01:18:27.380 | thumb clicks

01:18:28.360 | that I don't think

01:18:29.580 | people can really comprehend

01:18:30.660 | so I'm glad

01:18:31.540 | you pointed that out

01:18:33.280 | I mean

01:18:33.800 | yeah

01:18:35.140 | just imagine

01:18:35.980 | like you're

01:18:37.160 | a 14 year old kid

01:18:38.260 | and you've grown up

01:18:38.980 | worshipping your father

01:18:40.020 | and he gets killed

01:18:40.820 | in Afghanistan

01:18:41.620 | and

01:18:42.660 | you see a post about him

01:18:44.240 | you start to read down

01:18:45.260 | like

01:18:45.420 | he was killed

01:18:46.240 | by his government

01:18:46.900 | by this and this

01:18:47.980 | mom

01:18:50.620 | mom

01:18:51.580 | it raises doubt

01:18:53.120 | and then that little

01:18:54.360 | seed of doubt

01:18:54.800 | is going to be

01:18:55.200 | with him forever

01:18:55.800 | it's like

01:18:56.600 | it takes the entire

01:18:57.660 | collective

01:18:58.100 | like

01:18:58.420 | listen to me

01:18:59.400 | they've never even

01:19:00.560 | met a Navy SEAL

01:19:01.300 | dude

01:19:01.500 | that's some kid

01:19:02.660 | in the middle of nowhere

01:19:03.880 | who's typing

01:19:04.560 | in his mother's basement

01:19:05.360 | who's just writing

01:19:05.960 | some hateful stuff

01:19:06.640 | it's not real

01:19:07.280 | it's hard to block it out

01:19:08.780 | when there's 500 of them

01:19:09.920 | or guys that

01:19:11.240 | were in the military

01:19:11.840 | that didn't make it

01:19:12.880 | through selection

01:19:13.500 | they're pissed

01:19:14.540 | or

01:19:15.360 | have some resentment

01:19:17.480 | for

01:19:17.920 | some guy that was

01:19:19.200 | jacked in high school

01:19:20.100 | who said something

01:19:20.780 | and they didn't get the date

01:19:21.880 | or

01:19:22.100 | you know

01:19:22.660 | I mean

01:19:23.220 | resent is like

01:19:24.540 | the ego and resent

01:19:25.800 | are a bitter combination

01:19:27.140 | it lasts

01:19:27.600 | you know

01:19:27.960 | can last a lifetime

01:19:28.840 | negative comments

01:19:30.240 | many times

01:19:31.080 | are irrelevant

01:19:31.680 | but in this context

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01:19:34.620 | lasting

01:19:35.240 | very

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01:21:27.200 | so

01:21:28.480 | you're opping

01:21:30.300 | guys are dying

01:21:32.180 | you now have a family

01:21:33.780 | and

01:21:35.160 | it's in your family lineage

01:21:37.380 | to do this job

01:21:38.620 | I'm curious

01:21:41.460 | you know

01:21:41.980 | was the fact

01:21:43.400 | that your dad

01:21:43.880 | was a team guide

01:21:45.240 | did that feel like pressure

01:21:46.940 | or did it feel like buoyancy

01:21:48.080 | or neither?

01:21:50.260 | it felt normal

01:21:51.300 | did you feel like

01:21:53.200 | you had to outdo them

01:21:54.000 | and I would ask that

01:21:54.760 | of anyone

01:21:55.280 | military or not

01:21:56.360 | there's this notion

01:21:57.400 | well

01:21:58.140 | let me just briefly back up

01:21:59.480 | a friend recently

01:22:00.340 | we were talking about kids

01:22:01.180 | and family

01:22:02.700 | building family

01:22:03.420 | and

01:22:03.960 | and

01:22:04.160 | and he said

01:22:05.660 | you don't want a son

01:22:07.300 | you got daughters

01:22:07.860 | he has all daughters

01:22:08.540 | and I go

01:22:08.900 | no

01:22:09.100 | you know

01:22:09.420 | I think I'd like

01:22:10.180 | you know

01:22:10.420 | want to be a true

01:22:10.980 | but who cares

01:22:11.700 | I'd have daughters

01:22:12.260 | I'd have sons

01:22:12.660 | you know

01:22:12.940 | I don't care

01:22:13.400 | and he said

01:22:14.300 | no

01:22:14.740 | because if you have a son

01:22:15.540 | he's gonna

01:22:16.020 | he's gonna try and be better than you

01:22:17.840 | and then you're gonna be in conflict

01:22:19.140 | and I was thinking

01:22:19.640 | I almost said no

01:22:20.660 | and then I was like

01:22:21.080 | my dad's a scientist

01:22:22.020 | and so I was like

01:22:22.760 | there's a point in your life

01:22:23.720 | where you go

01:22:24.200 | can I fill those shoes

01:22:25.460 | can I exceed those shoes

01:22:26.400 | it's natural human

01:22:27.740 | son to father behavior

01:22:29.480 | I think

01:22:30.140 | and so

01:22:31.540 | was there ever a moment

01:22:32.340 | where you're like

01:22:32.920 | I gotta

01:22:33.960 | I gotta exceed

01:22:34.920 | or

01:22:35.620 | or just

01:22:37.020 | or was it

01:22:38.500 | irrelevant

01:22:38.840 | I think it was irrelevant

01:22:40.060 | but

01:22:40.400 | just because the timing

01:22:41.740 | you came in

01:22:42.460 | you know

01:22:43.260 | spent his entire time

01:22:44.740 | at peacetime

01:22:45.500 | I did nothing but combat

01:22:47.580 | the entire time

01:22:48.400 | a lot of deployments

01:22:50.480 | back and back

01:22:51.180 | back

01:22:51.560 | never took a shore duty station

01:22:53.020 | just by

01:22:54.180 | that amount of experience

01:22:56.060 | you already surpassed it

01:22:57.480 | but

01:22:57.940 | it doesn't need to be said

01:22:58.960 | why not leave

01:23:00.240 | guys

01:23:01.440 | one of your

01:23:02.320 | closest mentors

01:23:03.800 | and friends

01:23:04.420 | gets killed

01:23:05.440 | I mean

01:23:06.860 | the retirement plan

01:23:07.880 | I'm guessing

01:23:08.700 | is pretty good

01:23:09.460 | but it's not

01:23:10.000 | that awesome

01:23:10.800 | that's a plug

01:23:11.840 | for the military

01:23:12.380 | to increase

01:23:12.920 | the retirement salaries

01:23:14.120 | and you get some

01:23:15.220 | medical care

01:23:15.840 | right

01:23:16.140 | you know

01:23:16.540 | some things come

01:23:17.640 | to your family

01:23:18.140 | for staying in 20 years

01:23:19.340 | I think it is

01:23:19.980 | but

01:23:21.540 | did the thought

01:23:22.320 | ever cross your mind

01:23:23.040 | like hey

01:23:23.380 | guys are dropping off

01:23:24.440 | and you're right

01:23:24.860 | in the center of it

01:23:25.940 | maybe

01:23:27.040 | leave

01:23:28.020 | not for a moment

01:23:29.880 | I should have known

01:23:31.500 | that wasn't gonna be

01:23:32.000 | the answer

01:23:32.440 | at that time

01:23:37.700 | it's so different

01:23:39.400 | because a lot of people

01:23:40.400 | think about

01:23:40.940 | special operations

01:23:42.260 | in the global

01:23:42.940 | Ontario

01:23:43.420 | is

01:23:43.860 | the marines

01:23:44.820 | pushing through Fallujah

01:23:45.920 | broad daylight

01:23:47.620 | just getting smashed

01:23:48.960 | those are the bravest dudes

01:23:51.180 | that served

01:23:51.740 | during the GWAT

01:23:52.500 | like

01:23:53.140 | the marines

01:23:53.820 | there is nothing

01:23:54.860 | more impressive

01:23:55.620 | than a 19 year old marine

01:23:56.860 | in the things they'll do

01:23:57.760 | like

01:23:58.240 | they just are

01:23:58.740 | like

01:23:58.960 | they're heroes of mine

01:24:00.040 | my experience

01:24:01.940 | in a GWAT

01:24:02.440 | was very different

01:24:03.060 | it's always at night

01:24:05.840 | it's always

01:24:06.680 | you know

01:24:07.280 | select targets

01:24:08.140 | it's not like

01:24:08.900 | hey

01:24:09.760 | you and your team

01:24:10.440 | are gonna go

01:24:10.780 | raid this village

01:24:11.620 | no

01:24:12.600 | we're going for

01:24:13.120 | a very very

01:24:13.780 | specific person

01:24:14.640 | and then when you

01:24:15.240 | look at it

01:24:16.180 | Hemingway said it best

01:24:18.100 | once you've hunted

01:24:19.580 | our men long enough

01:24:20.440 | and liked it

01:24:20.920 | you'll never care

01:24:21.560 | for anything else

01:24:22.180 | thereafter

01:24:22.540 | there is nothing

01:24:24.060 | like hunting a human being

01:24:25.080 | who's hunting you

01:24:25.780 | nothing

01:24:26.220 | and you are so

01:24:27.660 | afraid

01:24:27.960 | you're gonna miss it

01:24:28.760 | so that's why

01:24:29.780 | you hide injuries

01:24:30.700 | you don't get surgery

01:24:32.400 | you do everything

01:24:33.280 | you can to put yourself

01:24:34.300 | in a position

01:24:34.700 | to be on the op

01:24:36.500 | to not miss the deployment

01:24:37.780 | and I think that's

01:24:39.060 | what it is

01:24:39.500 | in the essence

01:24:40.160 | is

01:24:40.420 | you know

01:24:42.060 | you have all the intel

01:24:43.380 | folks

01:24:43.840 | and all the technology

01:24:45.120 | that are giving you

01:24:46.080 | this one thing

01:24:46.860 | and you just stare at them

01:24:47.740 | I know everything about you

01:24:49.000 | where you live

01:24:50.160 | your secondary house

01:24:51.060 | everybody you talk to

01:24:51.880 | you're right handed

01:24:52.540 | left handed

01:24:53.040 | how many windows

01:24:53.700 | how many doors

01:24:54.380 | the inward opening

01:24:55.120 | outward opening

01:24:55.720 | these are storm doors

01:24:56.640 | what's the window

01:24:57.640 | those made

01:24:57.880 | I know everything

01:24:58.740 | about you

01:24:59.400 | and then we know

01:25:00.200 | exactly when we're

01:25:00.900 | going to go get you

01:25:01.700 | we know you're bad

01:25:03.180 | we know everything

01:25:03.700 | you've done

01:25:04.080 | I know everything

01:25:04.620 | you've said on that

01:25:05.240 | phone for the last

01:25:05.900 | six months

01:25:06.400 | I know everything

01:25:07.340 | there is to know

01:25:07.880 | about you

01:25:08.280 | and we are coming

01:25:09.040 | to get you

01:25:09.640 | and when you're

01:25:11.100 | successful

01:25:11.620 | it becomes addictive

01:25:12.620 | and you just keep

01:25:14.060 | chasing that feeling

01:25:14.800 | like

01:25:15.040 | I am pulling

01:25:16.340 | these people

01:25:16.980 | off the earth

01:25:17.580 | and it makes

01:25:18.140 | a difference

01:25:18.660 | I'm not just

01:25:19.920 | not carpet bombing

01:25:21.300 | anything

01:25:21.640 | like that one

01:25:22.500 | singular dude

01:25:23.200 | has done all

01:25:23.900 | of this

01:25:24.300 | we have to

01:25:25.720 | remove him

01:25:26.140 | let's go

01:25:26.820 | and it makes

01:25:27.420 | you feel

01:25:27.960 | like you're

01:25:28.340 | important

01:25:28.740 | it makes you

01:25:29.620 | feel like people

01:25:30.180 | actually need you

01:25:30.960 | and you chase it

01:25:31.820 | for as long

01:25:32.500 | as possible

01:25:32.960 | my buddy

01:25:33.980 | Jimmy Hatch

01:25:34.560 | wrote a book

01:25:35.600 | called chasing

01:25:36.060 | a dragon

01:25:36.560 | and that's

01:25:37.660 | what it's like

01:25:38.120 | you chase him

01:25:39.520 | long enough

01:25:39.840 | you'll find him

01:25:40.380 | and you don't

01:25:41.800 | want to jump

01:25:42.200 | off that train

01:25:42.760 | you're so afraid

01:25:43.800 | in the teams

01:25:44.520 | in special

01:25:45.280 | operations

01:25:45.540 | the military

01:25:45.960 | does a really

01:25:46.340 | good job

01:25:46.700 | of painting

01:25:48.760 | a narrative

01:25:49.220 | that if you

01:25:49.740 | leave this

01:25:50.380 | your life

01:25:51.280 | is over

01:25:51.760 | there's nothing

01:25:52.700 | that's going

01:25:53.120 | to surpass

01:25:53.500 | us

01:25:53.800 | the SEAL

01:25:54.580 | teams are

01:25:54.960 | the only

01:25:55.440 | thing

01:25:55.780 | you know

01:25:56.200 | how to do

01:25:56.700 | and it's

01:25:57.580 | the only

01:25:57.780 | thing

01:25:57.960 | you'll ever

01:25:58.340 | feel at

01:25:58.660 | home

01:25:58.900 | and it's

01:26:00.340 | the truth

01:26:00.700 | you get

01:26:01.580 | guys to get

01:26:02.000 | out and they

01:26:02.300 | go work at

01:26:02.720 | Goldman Sachs

01:26:03.580 | and they do

01:26:03.940 | this and they

01:26:04.420 | do that

01:26:04.840 | if you really

01:26:05.500 | get a couple

01:26:06.000 | beers and

01:26:06.480 | you sit down

01:26:07.240 | they're miserable

01:26:08.380 | they miss it

01:26:09.560 | even all the

01:26:10.820 | stuff you

01:26:11.160 | didn't like

01:26:11.680 | the things

01:26:12.620 | you hated

01:26:13.180 | about the

01:26:13.540 | military

01:26:13.940 | the people

01:26:14.660 | you hated

01:26:15.180 | working for

01:26:15.820 | at the end

01:26:16.340 | of the

01:26:16.560 | you don't

01:26:17.060 | remember any

01:26:17.660 | of that

01:26:18.020 | you only

01:26:18.760 | remember the

01:26:19.160 | good times

01:26:19.680 | and because

01:26:20.500 | you had

01:26:20.860 | you know

01:26:21.840 | the entire

01:26:22.260 | time at war

01:26:22.900 | the whole

01:26:23.640 | aspect

01:26:24.440 | the whole

01:26:24.860 | career

01:26:25.220 | was just

01:26:25.560 | amazing

01:26:26.460 | you know

01:26:27.340 | standing on

01:26:27.700 | the shoulders

01:26:28.040 | of giants

01:26:28.840 | I've got to

01:26:31.040 | work with

01:26:31.340 | people that

01:26:31.860 | are the

01:26:32.120 | greatest

01:26:32.460 | thing

01:26:32.740 | you'll

01:26:32.960 | never

01:26:33.220 | get to

01:26:33.560 | see

01:26:33.780 | like

01:26:34.840 | there's

01:26:35.040 | 12

01:26:35.340 | people

01:26:35.620 | on the

01:26:35.880 | planet

01:26:36.280 | that were

01:26:36.760 | there

01:26:37.100 | that saw

01:26:37.620 | that thing

01:26:38.240 | and we

01:26:39.040 | won't even

01:26:39.380 | address it

01:26:39.940 | because it's

01:26:40.820 | not cool

01:26:41.480 | if you

01:26:41.740 | address it

01:26:42.240 | I cannot

01:26:43.940 | believe you

01:26:44.340 | just pulled

01:26:44.680 | that off

01:26:45.040 | that's the

01:26:45.480 | most impressive

01:26:45.900 | thing I've

01:26:46.180 | ever seen

01:26:46.420 | in my life

01:26:46.760 | and you

01:26:46.980 | don't even

01:26:47.400 | you don't

01:26:48.020 | even talk

01:26:48.420 | about it

01:26:48.940 | like the

01:26:49.520 | regular people

01:26:50.060 | never get

01:26:50.580 | to see

01:26:50.980 | the level

01:26:51.500 | of detail

01:26:51.980 | that goes

01:26:52.360 | into doing

01:26:52.920 | that job

01:26:53.440 | they see

01:26:54.500 | they see

01:26:54.500 | it on a

01:26:54.800 | flat range

01:26:55.420 | shoot

01:26:55.820 | or whatever

01:26:56.200 | and they're

01:26:56.360 | like oh

01:26:56.540 | I can

01:26:56.760 | do that

01:26:57.200 | but you

01:26:58.580 | can't

01:26:58.740 | jump out

01:26:58.980 | of 35,000

01:26:59.620 | feet at

01:26:59.960 | night

01:27:00.180 | into a

01:27:00.740 | place

01:27:00.900 | you've

01:27:01.080 | never

01:27:01.260 | seen

01:27:01.640 | and been

01:27:02.720 | to it

01:27:03.040 | but you

01:27:03.740 | can't

01:27:03.860 | do that

01:27:04.200 | like you

01:27:05.860 | know how

01:27:06.100 | hard it

01:27:06.460 | is to put

01:27:06.960 | yourself

01:27:07.300 | in a

01:27:07.540 | position

01:27:07.960 | to do

01:27:08.540 | that

01:27:08.720 | operation

01:27:09.140 | they have

01:27:10.120 | no idea

01:27:10.620 | and they're

01:27:11.200 | shooting back

01:27:11.700 | at you

01:27:12.020 | yeah

01:27:12.440 | there's that

01:27:12.900 | there's that

01:27:13.340 | piece

01:27:13.580 | the targets

01:27:14.500 | on a flat

01:27:15.880 | range

01:27:16.100 | don't shoot

01:27:16.440 | back

01:27:16.720 | yeah

01:27:16.960 | this is a

01:27:17.760 | two way

01:27:18.000 | range

01:27:18.200 | this isn't

01:27:18.560 | aerosol

01:27:19.000 | it's not

01:27:19.300 | call of

01:27:19.640 | duty

01:27:19.800 | like those

01:27:20.120 | are real

01:27:20.440 | people

01:27:20.820 | that dude

01:27:21.360 | has five

01:27:21.900 | kids

01:27:22.240 | and he's

01:27:22.680 | going through

01:27:23.060 | that threshold

01:27:23.720 | regardless what's

01:27:24.560 | coming out of him

01:27:25.140 | without a second

01:27:26.300 | thought

01:27:26.580 | it's amazing

01:27:27.680 | to see

01:27:28.060 | and I said

01:27:29.860 | it to a group

01:27:30.460 | of guys

01:27:30.760 | the other day

01:27:31.180 | you know

01:27:32.280 | when the tower

01:27:32.700 | fell

01:27:33.140 | I've never

01:27:35.040 | felt more

01:27:35.520 | patriotic

01:27:35.960 | in my life

01:27:36.620 | in those

01:27:38.660 | moments

01:27:39.080 | you never

01:27:39.740 | think about

01:27:40.180 | the flag

01:27:40.600 | you never

01:27:41.660 | think about

01:27:42.080 | the American

01:27:42.500 | people

01:27:42.920 | you never

01:27:43.380 | think about

01:27:43.740 | that

01:27:44.020 | you think

01:27:45.360 | you do

01:27:45.720 | it for

01:27:45.940 | the country

01:27:46.380 | you really

01:27:47.340 | do it

01:27:47.740 | and you

01:27:47.960 | stay doing

01:27:48.400 | it for

01:27:48.540 | the culture

01:27:48.940 | the culture

01:27:50.700 | of the SEAL

01:27:51.100 | teams was worth

01:27:51.740 | every ounce

01:27:52.680 | you had to

01:27:52.980 | pay for it

01:27:53.640 | and it's

01:27:54.400 | every other

01:27:54.940 | group will

01:27:55.240 | tell you

01:27:55.420 | the exact

01:27:55.780 | same thing

01:27:56.180 | like the

01:27:56.660 | culture is

01:27:57.020 | what keeps

01:27:57.360 | you there

01:27:57.640 | you're so

01:27:58.220 | afraid to

01:27:58.680 | leave it

01:27:58.940 | because you

01:27:59.280 | know you're

01:27:59.600 | never going

01:27:59.980 | to find it

01:28:00.420 | anywhere else

01:28:01.040 | and that was

01:28:03.060 | the same way

01:28:03.480 | I mean

01:28:03.760 | when me and

01:28:04.160 | my LA

01:28:04.520 | were going

01:28:05.560 | through our

01:28:05.860 | worst moments

01:28:06.380 | I told her

01:28:06.800 | if you don't

01:28:07.240 | like the

01:28:07.500 | train

01:28:07.720 | jump

01:28:08.040 | I'm not

01:28:08.940 | stopping

01:28:09.220 | for you

01:28:09.580 | I'm not

01:28:10.460 | and that's

01:28:10.980 | why I was

01:28:11.260 | really concerned

01:28:11.800 | we first

01:28:12.180 | got together

01:28:12.600 | because she

01:28:12.900 | was married

01:28:13.220 | to Danny

01:28:13.580 | Deeds

01:28:13.840 | was on

01:28:14.560 | Operation

01:28:14.920 | Red Wings

01:28:15.340 | on the

01:28:15.700 | ground

01:28:15.920 | her dad

01:28:17.600 | was a SEAL

01:28:18.140 | I mean

01:28:18.400 | we were

01:28:18.780 | we're

01:28:19.160 | embedded

01:28:19.500 | in this

01:28:19.860 | you guys

01:28:20.420 | are both

01:28:20.760 | came up

01:28:21.180 | in it

01:28:21.500 | oh yeah

01:28:22.060 | man

01:28:22.260 | like we're

01:28:22.820 | embedded

01:28:23.080 | in this

01:28:23.380 | and you

01:28:24.480 | know I

01:28:24.660 | met her

01:28:24.920 | three years

01:28:25.400 | after Danny

01:28:25.880 | passed

01:28:26.240 | I didn't

01:28:26.500 | know Danny

01:28:27.000 | I didn't

01:28:27.280 | know her

01:28:27.780 | mutual

01:28:28.380 | friends

01:28:28.740 | we connected

01:28:29.200 | around 2008

01:28:30.500 | nine

01:28:30.760 | and I

01:28:33.020 | told her

01:28:33.280 | when we

01:28:33.380 | first

01:28:33.560 | I fell

01:28:33.980 | in love

01:28:34.200 | with her

01:28:34.420 | instantly

01:28:34.920 | and it

01:28:35.840 | scared me

01:28:36.340 | because I

01:28:37.380 | was getting

01:28:37.620 | ready to

01:28:37.920 | screen

01:28:38.380 | and try

01:28:38.840 | to go

01:28:39.020 | with the

01:28:39.220 | tier one

01:28:39.620 | command

01:28:39.920 | and the

01:28:40.840 | the pace

01:28:41.720 | was so

01:28:42.280 | fast

01:28:42.840 | and I

01:28:43.620 | was so

01:28:43.980 | worried

01:28:44.220 | that she'd

01:28:44.580 | look at me

01:28:44.820 | one day

01:28:45.140 | and go

01:28:45.380 | I can't

01:28:45.860 | do this

01:28:46.100 | again

01:28:46.280 | and I

01:28:47.860 | wasn't

01:28:48.080 | gonna leave

01:28:48.380 | it for her

01:28:48.780 | and I

01:28:49.140 | told her

01:28:49.400 | that don't

01:28:50.460 | ever ask

01:28:50.840 | me to

01:28:51.040 | leave

01:28:51.180 | because I

01:28:51.460 | won't

01:28:52.120 | like if

01:28:52.440 | you don't

01:28:52.820 | want to

01:28:53.040 | do

01:28:53.160 | this

01:28:53.340 | I

01:28:53.460 | get

01:28:53.660 | it

01:28:53.840 | like we

01:28:54.180 | can be

01:28:54.420 | best

01:28:54.680 | friends

01:28:55.220 | we can

01:28:55.600 | do

01:28:55.740 | whatever

01:28:56.060 | but I'm

01:28:56.520 | not

01:28:56.680 | leaving

01:28:56.900 | this

01:28:57.080 | for you

01:28:57.360 | and that

01:28:58.180 | was one

01:28:58.480 | of the

01:28:58.620 | hardest

01:28:58.800 | things I've

01:28:59.200 | ever had

01:28:59.560 | to do

01:28:59.900 | and for

01:29:00.940 | whatever

01:29:01.140 | reason

01:29:01.540 | she's a

01:29:02.100 | unicorn

01:29:02.380 | she has

01:29:03.280 | been the

01:29:03.900 | quintessential

01:29:04.920 | team wife

01:29:05.700 | above and

01:29:06.920 | beyond

01:29:07.180 | every deployment

01:29:08.520 | full steam

01:29:09.500 | ahead

01:29:09.740 | hot water

01:29:10.740 | heater

01:29:10.920 | blows up

01:29:11.700 | tree

01:29:12.120 | falls to

01:29:12.520 | the minivan

01:29:12.880 | she doesn't

01:29:13.300 | even tell

01:29:13.640 | me she

01:29:13.860 | just solves

01:29:14.320 | it

01:29:14.540 | she's

01:29:15.580 | amazing

01:29:15.900 | and I

01:29:17.540 | still blocked

01:29:18.160 | her out

01:29:18.420 | like I

01:29:18.660 | did everything

01:29:19.080 | else

01:29:19.380 | because I

01:29:19.760 | still thought

01:29:20.240 | that my

01:29:20.520 | love for

01:29:20.860 | her was

01:29:21.160 | a distraction

01:29:21.680 | and like

01:29:22.600 | those are

01:29:22.900 | the times

01:29:23.120 | I look

01:29:23.400 | back on

01:29:23.820 | and I

01:29:24.100 | regret

01:29:24.540 | but in

01:29:25.480 | the moment

01:29:25.900 | I don't

01:29:26.600 | think I'd

01:29:27.040 | change it

01:29:27.420 | I don't

01:29:27.860 | think I

01:29:28.080 | could

01:29:28.300 | I don't

01:29:29.200 | think I

01:29:29.480 | could do

01:29:29.800 | that job

01:29:30.320 | at the

01:29:30.580 | level

01:29:30.860 | that was

01:29:31.440 | required

01:29:31.780 | to do

01:29:32.120 | it

01:29:32.320 | and have

01:29:33.580 | that

01:29:33.740 | love

01:29:33.960 | hanging

01:29:35.700 | around

01:29:35.920 | my neck

01:29:36.300 | I couldn't

01:29:37.040 | do it

01:29:37.720 | it all

01:29:39.080 | ended up

01:29:39.320 | working out

01:29:39.600 | in the

01:29:39.720 | wash

01:29:39.920 | but it

01:29:40.540 | was

01:29:40.680 | it's

01:29:41.580 | hard

01:29:41.740 | man

01:29:41.920 | it's

01:29:43.160 | hard to

01:29:43.380 | sit

01:29:43.500 | there

01:29:43.660 | and just

01:29:44.000 | wait

01:29:44.280 | for your

01:29:44.540 | number

01:29:44.760 | to get

01:29:45.000 | called

01:29:45.300 | and just

01:29:45.740 | hope

01:29:46.000 | it

01:29:46.140 | doesn't

01:29:47.580 | I mean

01:29:47.940 | the best

01:29:48.300 | dudes

01:29:48.500 | in the

01:29:48.680 | world

01:29:48.820 | or getting

01:29:49.200 | killed

01:29:49.500 | and you

01:29:50.360 | can't

01:29:50.580 | just

01:29:50.740 | it's not

01:29:51.080 | lack of

01:29:51.500 | training

01:29:51.760 | it's not

01:29:52.080 | lack of

01:29:52.400 | funding

01:29:52.680 | it's not

01:29:53.020 | lack of

01:29:53.340 | experience

01:29:53.860 | it's not

01:29:54.280 | lack of

01:29:54.660 | commitment

01:29:55.080 | what is it

01:29:56.300 | it's a

01:29:56.780 | dangerous job

01:29:57.300 | man

01:29:57.500 | that's what

01:29:58.620 | it is

01:29:58.900 | it's a

01:29:59.200 | super

01:29:59.420 | dangerous

01:29:59.720 | job

01:30:00.000 | and people

01:30:00.260 | are trying

01:30:00.500 | to kill

01:30:00.780 | you all

01:30:01.060 | day long

01:30:01.440 | you just

01:30:02.480 | hope

01:30:02.680 | you're

01:30:03.000 | better

01:30:03.160 | than

01:30:03.320 | they

01:30:03.440 | are

01:30:03.540 | but

01:30:04.480 | some

01:30:04.660 | days

01:30:04.860 | it

01:30:04.960 | happens

01:30:05.260 | regardless

01:30:05.660 | and

01:30:06.620 | it's

01:30:07.600 | hard

01:30:07.800 | it's

01:30:08.540 | hard

01:30:08.660 | putting

01:30:08.840 | guys

01:30:09.060 | on the

01:30:09.220 | ground

01:30:09.420 | especially

01:30:10.520 | when you've

01:30:10.880 | grown up

01:30:11.260 | with them

01:30:11.440 | your whole

01:30:11.780 | life

01:30:12.060 | you definitely

01:30:13.640 | picked the

01:30:14.040 | right

01:30:14.200 | woman

01:30:14.520 | I

01:30:15.900 | lassoed a

01:30:16.640 | unicorn

01:30:16.980 | I did

01:30:18.000 | she

01:30:18.420 | unbelievable

01:30:19.540 | I have a

01:30:20.600 | good friend

01:30:21.040 | he

01:30:21.360 | because I

01:30:22.700 | know

01:30:22.800 | you've

01:30:22.980 | got

01:30:23.100 | daughters

01:30:23.480 | and

01:30:24.380 | and he

01:30:25.760 | said

01:30:26.020 | you want

01:30:27.200 | to marry

01:30:28.440 | a woman

01:30:28.840 | that were

01:30:29.320 | you to

01:30:29.600 | have

01:30:29.760 | daughters

01:30:30.240 | with her

01:30:31.620 | that you'd

01:30:32.160 | be very

01:30:32.560 | happy

01:30:32.880 | if they

01:30:33.160 | turned out

01:30:33.520 | like her

01:30:33.980 | which is

01:30:35.280 | one of the

01:30:35.640 | best pieces

01:30:36.520 | of advice

01:30:37.180 | that I

01:30:37.960 | didn't

01:30:39.080 | hear

01:30:39.420 | until

01:30:39.860 | fairly

01:30:40.420 | recently

01:30:40.920 | and the

01:30:41.640 | moment I

01:30:41.940 | heard it

01:30:42.220 | I was

01:30:42.400 | like

01:30:42.580 | wow

01:30:43.420 | that's

01:30:43.600 | really

01:30:43.780 | good

01:30:44.060 | they don't

01:30:45.400 | tell us

01:30:45.740 | that in

01:30:46.020 | high school

01:30:46.460 | no they

01:30:47.020 | don't

01:30:47.280 | but clearly

01:30:49.460 | you bullseye

01:30:50.300 | on that

01:30:51.080 | one

01:30:51.360 | so

01:30:52.300 | you're

01:30:53.080 | opping

01:30:53.420 | you're

01:30:53.640 | alive

01:30:54.060 | guys are

01:30:54.640 | dying

01:30:55.000 | you got

01:30:55.460 | a family

01:30:56.020 | and

01:30:57.620 | it sounds

01:30:58.700 | like you

01:30:58.920 | love it

01:30:59.280 | too

01:30:59.480 | you're

01:31:00.040 | loving

01:31:00.320 | the

01:31:00.520 | work

01:31:00.820 | which

01:31:02.040 | is

01:31:02.180 | so

01:31:02.360 | key

01:31:02.680 | right

01:31:03.000 | I

01:31:03.180 | don't

01:31:03.620 | because

01:31:04.440 | in

01:31:04.600 | moments

01:31:04.960 | of

01:31:05.300 | stress

01:31:06.620 | and

01:31:06.960 | you know

01:31:07.800 | I mean

01:31:08.260 | all the other

01:31:08.980 | stuff that's

01:31:09.400 | clearly important

01:31:10.080 | love a country

01:31:10.760 | flags

01:31:11.240 | and all that

01:31:11.500 | stuff

01:31:11.660 | it sounds

01:31:12.420 | like it's

01:31:13.260 | necessary

01:31:13.860 | but it's

01:31:14.480 | not sufficient

01:31:15.000 | in those

01:31:15.380 | moments

01:31:15.740 | the culture

01:31:16.460 | is really

01:31:16.900 | the glue

01:31:17.580 | then you

01:31:20.460 | start incurring

01:31:21.080 | some damage

01:31:21.720 | I mean

01:31:23.420 | so

01:31:24.980 | what do

01:31:25.660 | you see

01:31:26.120 | in your

01:31:26.420 | mind

01:31:26.800 | as

01:31:27.340 | kind

01:31:27.840 | of

01:31:27.900 | the

01:31:28.040 | first

01:31:28.360 | high

01:31:29.960 | impact

01:31:30.380 | event

01:31:30.740 | that's

01:31:31.180 | not

01:31:31.440 | someone

01:31:31.720 | else

01:31:31.940 | dying

01:31:32.280 | like

01:31:33.860 | that

01:31:34.000 | your

01:31:34.140 | body

01:31:34.820 | is

01:31:35.040 | starting

01:31:35.260 | to

01:31:35.380 | take

01:31:35.520 | a toll

01:31:35.900 | I had

01:31:38.700 | a lot

01:31:38.980 | of

01:31:39.080 | emotional

01:31:39.500 | stuff

01:31:39.860 | happen to me

01:31:40.260 | in that

01:31:40.500 | second

01:31:40.820 | deployment

01:31:41.240 | you know

01:31:42.560 | my

01:31:43.140 | idol

01:31:44.160 | Matty Roberts

01:31:45.100 | I've talked

01:31:45.460 | about him

01:31:45.700 | a couple

01:31:45.900 | times

01:31:46.200 | I really

01:31:47.840 | really hung

01:31:48.580 | on to that

01:31:48.980 | dude

01:31:49.180 | like he was

01:31:50.040 | my true

01:31:50.500 | north

01:31:50.980 | he was

01:31:51.880 | the guy

01:31:52.420 | and when

01:31:53.500 | he got

01:31:54.060 | shot up

01:31:54.680 | when you

01:31:57.620 | see it

01:31:57.960 | happen

01:31:58.320 | you know

01:31:58.760 | his arm

01:31:59.780 | shot off

01:32:00.440 | it

01:32:00.640 | flipped around

01:32:01.480 | his shoulder

01:32:01.900 | it looked

01:32:02.160 | like his

01:32:02.400 | arm was

01:32:02.640 | completely

01:32:02.980 | gone

01:32:03.360 | my fingers

01:32:04.000 | are inside

01:32:04.460 | his arm

01:32:04.920 | we're trying

01:32:05.260 | to solve

01:32:05.620 | this thing

01:32:06.040 | they're

01:32:06.280 | shooting at

01:32:06.900 | us

01:32:07.020 | from really

01:32:07.580 | really close

01:32:08.100 | proximity

01:32:08.660 | and I think

01:32:09.820 | it still

01:32:10.100 | has a record

01:32:10.620 | I have to ask

01:32:11.140 | Jay Redman

01:32:11.880 | but I think

01:32:12.280 | that was

01:32:12.560 | the closest

01:32:13.820 | call for

01:32:14.300 | fire mission

01:32:14.820 | the entire

01:32:15.400 | Iraq war

01:32:16.080 | like inside

01:32:18.000 | 15 meters

01:32:19.780 | I mean

01:32:20.680 | Cordy Mike

01:32:21.120 | my AC-130

01:32:21.780 | gunship

01:32:22.300 | I mean

01:32:22.540 | it was

01:32:22.820 | on top

01:32:23.740 | of you

01:32:23.980 | a belt

01:32:24.620 | fed

01:32:24.800 | machine

01:32:25.080 | gun

01:32:25.360 | just

01:32:25.580 | chewing

01:32:25.860 | us

01:32:26.060 | up

01:32:26.260 | everybody

01:32:27.380 | shot up

01:32:27.940 | except for

01:32:28.300 | me and

01:32:28.480 | one other

01:32:28.760 | guy

01:32:29.060 | and

01:32:29.260 | we're all

01:32:30.200 | crowded

01:32:30.460 | behind

01:32:30.740 | this

01:32:30.920 | tractor

01:32:31.240 | tire

01:32:31.540 | just

01:32:31.760 | you felt

01:32:32.120 | like a

01:32:32.400 | victim

01:32:32.720 | and it

01:32:33.820 | at one

01:32:34.580 | point

01:32:35.000 | right when

01:32:35.800 | the initial

01:32:36.100 | contact

01:32:36.500 | happened

01:32:36.820 | I sprinted

01:32:37.660 | to a tree

01:32:38.240 | and got

01:32:38.500 | a piece

01:32:38.740 | of cover

01:32:39.100 | so there's

01:32:40.140 | me

01:32:40.440 | three guys

01:32:41.440 | that are

01:32:41.640 | all shot

01:32:42.040 | up

01:32:42.240 | and one

01:32:42.620 | other

01:32:42.760 | guy

01:32:42.980 | who's

01:32:43.180 | behind

01:32:43.400 | this

01:32:43.580 | tractor

01:32:43.820 | tire

01:32:44.120 | and I'm

01:32:44.920 | screaming

01:32:45.320 | at him

01:32:45.640 | I'm like

01:32:45.800 | hey I've

01:32:46.100 | got it

01:32:46.320 | out

01:32:46.480 | come over

01:32:46.840 | here

01:32:47.080 | and he

01:32:48.680 | screams out

01:32:49.080 | in Blackhawk

01:32:49.500 | down

01:32:49.700 | like

01:32:49.900 | nope

01:32:50.360 | come to

01:32:51.060 | me

01:32:51.260 | and you're

01:32:52.300 | looking back

01:32:52.820 | at it

01:32:53.080 | you can see

01:32:53.580 | all the

01:32:53.820 | muzzle flash

01:32:54.500 | and just the

01:32:55.660 | way it

01:32:55.880 | happened

01:32:56.140 | you had

01:32:56.500 | blue forces

01:32:57.300 | or friendlies

01:32:58.120 | that were

01:32:58.340 | in behind

01:32:58.840 | him

01:32:58.980 | so you

01:32:59.320 | couldn't

01:32:59.680 | shoot

01:32:59.980 | into this

01:33:00.400 | veg line

01:33:01.060 | because you

01:33:01.460 | knew there

01:33:01.780 | were friendlies

01:33:02.260 | that were

01:33:02.440 | back there

01:33:02.900 | so you're

01:33:03.720 | in this

01:33:03.940 | weird dance

01:33:04.580 | where

01:33:04.800 | I can't

01:33:06.780 | do anything

01:33:07.200 | like I felt

01:33:07.900 | helpless

01:33:08.260 | you know

01:33:08.740 | I'm getting

01:33:09.140 | rounds

01:33:09.540 | poured all

01:33:10.000 | over me

01:33:10.340 | and at a

01:33:10.680 | certain point

01:33:11.140 | you just

01:33:11.360 | go

01:33:11.600 | I'd rather

01:33:13.200 | run back

01:33:13.880 | into the

01:33:14.620 | front of this

01:33:15.100 | thing and get

01:33:15.600 | killed with

01:33:16.040 | all of them

01:33:16.600 | than be the

01:33:17.840 | lone survivor

01:33:18.360 | I don't want

01:33:19.440 | to walk

01:33:19.700 | through this

01:33:20.120 | I don't want

01:33:21.000 | to live

01:33:21.320 | with this

01:33:21.580 | survivor's

01:33:22.080 | guilt

01:33:22.220 | I'd rather

01:33:22.540 | just run

01:33:22.940 | back up

01:33:23.360 | and let's

01:33:23.620 | just catch

01:33:23.980 | it and be

01:33:24.280 | done with

01:33:24.580 | it

01:33:24.720 | and I ran

01:33:25.880 | right back

01:33:26.300 | into the

01:33:26.600 | center

01:33:26.840 | and dropped

01:33:27.300 | down on

01:33:27.620 | that tire

01:33:28.020 | and started

01:33:28.980 | working all

01:33:29.420 | the guys

01:33:29.800 | back

01:33:30.320 | and putting

01:33:31.140 | on tourniquets

01:33:31.900 | and quick

01:33:32.340 | clot

01:33:32.660 | and all

01:33:33.780 | the stuff

01:33:34.240 | when I came

01:33:35.700 | back from

01:33:36.080 | that I was

01:33:36.760 | mentally scarred

01:33:37.540 | for the rest

01:33:38.160 | of my life

01:33:38.760 | and I just

01:33:39.320 | never ever

01:33:40.240 | processed it

01:33:40.960 | I just

01:33:41.240 | blocked it

01:33:41.660 | off

01:33:41.920 | because it

01:33:42.580 | was so

01:33:42.980 | close

01:33:43.400 | I think

01:33:45.700 | because it

01:33:46.020 | was the

01:33:46.240 | first time

01:33:46.600 | I felt

01:33:46.960 | helpless

01:33:47.360 | like I

01:33:48.080 | was just

01:33:48.360 | waiting

01:33:48.700 | to die

01:33:49.220 | right

01:33:50.500 | like the

01:33:51.180 | guy that

01:33:51.480 | I looked

01:33:51.800 | up that

01:33:52.120 | I wanted

01:33:52.540 | to be

01:33:52.900 | like he

01:33:53.340 | was a

01:33:53.660 | physical

01:33:54.000 | representation

01:33:54.580 | of what

01:33:55.060 | I thought

01:33:55.440 | the essence

01:33:56.060 | of being

01:33:56.340 | a Navy

01:33:56.700 | SEAL

01:33:56.940 | was and

01:33:57.360 | he's dying

01:33:58.000 | in my

01:33:58.320 | arms

01:33:58.680 | and I

01:33:59.560 | can't

01:33:59.920 | shoot

01:34:00.080 | back

01:34:00.400 | I mean

01:34:01.100 | we're

01:34:01.340 | hunkered

01:34:01.640 | down

01:34:01.880 | and rounds

01:34:02.440 | are just

01:34:02.780 | skipping

01:34:03.160 | all over

01:34:03.840 | you

01:34:04.080 | and you're

01:34:05.120 | just

01:34:05.260 | if that

01:34:05.700 | JTAC

01:34:06.060 | wouldn't have

01:34:06.360 | called in

01:34:06.640 | a fire

01:34:06.900 | mission

01:34:07.080 | we'd all

01:34:07.340 | be dead

01:34:07.640 | I mean

01:34:08.580 | it's only

01:34:08.840 | a matter of

01:34:09.160 | time before

01:34:09.460 | he stands

01:34:09.960 | up and

01:34:10.240 | just realizes

01:34:10.780 | he can

01:34:11.120 | just walk

01:34:11.540 | us down

01:34:11.940 | I mean

01:34:13.360 | there's

01:34:13.560 | no

01:34:13.740 | elume

01:34:14.260 | night

01:34:14.680 | vision's

01:34:15.100 | all messed

01:34:15.480 | up at

01:34:15.760 | this point

01:34:16.140 | I mean

01:34:16.340 | everything

01:34:16.700 | that could

01:34:16.980 | have went

01:34:17.180 | wrong

01:34:17.440 | went wrong

01:34:17.960 | and now

01:34:18.220 | we're

01:34:18.340 | inside

01:34:18.620 | of 10

01:34:18.900 | meters

01:34:19.160 | getting

01:34:19.380 | pounded

01:34:19.800 | by a

01:34:20.060 | belt

01:34:20.200 | fed

01:34:20.360 | machine

01:34:20.640 | gun

01:34:20.880 | you can't

01:34:21.420 | move

01:34:21.660 | and it was

01:34:23.000 | the first

01:34:23.320 | time in my

01:34:23.660 | life I

01:34:23.980 | truly felt

01:34:24.600 | helpless

01:34:24.980 | and everything

01:34:27.160 | worked out

01:34:27.760 | everybody ended

01:34:28.340 | up surviving

01:34:29.540 | it we got

01:34:29.900 | them in the

01:34:30.120 | helicopter and

01:34:30.740 | did all that

01:34:31.280 | I just think

01:34:33.340 | I never got an

01:34:34.100 | opportunity to

01:34:34.720 | ever talk about

01:34:35.380 | it and when I

01:34:36.840 | went back home

01:34:37.520 | you know you're

01:34:38.300 | taking a shower

01:34:38.900 | the showers in

01:34:39.580 | Iraq aren't the

01:34:40.200 | best as you can

01:34:40.780 | imagine and I'm

01:34:41.920 | standing here in

01:34:42.420 | ankle deep

01:34:42.980 | sludge water

01:34:43.860 | that's just

01:34:44.400 | filled with blood

01:34:45.240 | it's all in my

01:34:46.100 | mouth it's all

01:34:46.840 | over my hair

01:34:47.380 | I remember

01:34:47.660 | taking the

01:34:48.140 | shower and

01:34:48.560 | just seeing

01:34:48.960 | it all and

01:34:49.900 | not knowing if

01:34:50.420 | he lived or

01:34:50.800 | not and

01:34:51.880 | thinking do I

01:34:52.780 | want to be

01:34:53.160 | washing this

01:34:53.700 | off because

01:34:54.900 | they call me in

01:34:55.640 | 20 minutes and

01:34:56.240 | tell me he's

01:34:56.680 | dead this is the

01:34:57.400 | last piece of

01:34:58.060 | him I have

01:34:58.760 | so I saved the

01:35:00.920 | camis I saved

01:35:01.580 | the boot I

01:35:02.020 | saved the

01:35:02.380 | shirts I

01:35:02.760 | saved everything

01:35:03.240 | I wore I

01:35:03.780 | shoved it on

01:35:04.200 | the bag and I

01:35:04.760 | kept it in

01:35:05.180 | case he died

01:35:05.720 | but it was

01:35:07.360 | hard man like

01:35:08.100 | the back of

01:35:08.640 | that helicopter

01:35:09.280 | looked like

01:35:09.740 | black hawk

01:35:10.200 | down just

01:35:11.280 | blowout

01:35:12.580 | kits and

01:35:13.080 | tourniquets and

01:35:13.960 | magazines and

01:35:14.800 | rounds all over

01:35:15.880 | and just the

01:35:16.760 | most blood

01:35:17.360 | blood I've

01:35:17.700 | ever seen and

01:35:19.120 | you're just

01:35:19.460 | slipping and

01:35:20.060 | sliding in it

01:35:20.700 | just like out of

01:35:21.340 | the movies and

01:35:22.540 | it's not it's

01:35:23.540 | dudes you've

01:35:24.120 | wrapped your arms

01:35:24.620 | around and told

01:35:25.080 | you I've loved

01:35:25.520 | you a hundred

01:35:26.580 | times like this

01:35:28.820 | is not what I

01:35:29.360 | thought it was

01:35:29.760 | gonna be like I

01:35:30.620 | didn't think this

01:35:31.280 | was gonna be like

01:35:33.080 | this I didn't

01:35:34.040 | because I'd never

01:35:34.540 | seen it my dad

01:35:35.520 | has never been

01:35:35.980 | through that none

01:35:36.540 | of his friends

01:35:37.200 | ever went through

01:35:37.740 | that now I am

01:35:39.020 | this 20 year old

01:35:39.820 | kid this is what

01:35:40.720 | I'm living with

01:35:41.380 | and it was hard

01:35:42.460 | because you got to

01:35:43.560 | walk back in the

01:35:44.280 | culture of the

01:35:44.740 | SEAL teams and

01:35:45.220 | we're not talking

01:35:45.700 | about that nobody's

01:35:47.020 | ever addressing

01:35:47.560 | that when you

01:35:48.080 | see him you

01:35:49.380 | know you always

01:35:49.760 | make a joke like

01:35:50.500 | hey could you

01:35:51.260 | scream any louder

01:35:52.300 | like I'm surprised

01:35:52.900 | we all get killed

01:35:53.500 | by how loud you

01:35:54.180 | were yelling you

01:35:54.620 | always make a joke

01:35:55.340 | about it it wasn't

01:35:56.580 | a joke man I was

01:35:57.260 | traumatized like I

01:35:58.180 | worship that guy

01:35:59.160 | and to see the

01:36:01.400 | reality like he's

01:36:03.160 | not Superman and

01:36:04.140 | neither am I

01:36:04.840 | fortunately for me

01:36:07.080 | he did the most

01:36:07.700 | heroic thing I've

01:36:08.280 | ever seen and that

01:36:09.440 | moment has stuck

01:36:10.180 | with me forever

01:36:10.920 | when that initial

01:36:12.520 | contact happened

01:36:13.260 | everybody got shot

01:36:14.320 | including him and

01:36:16.040 | he stood back up

01:36:17.020 | and ran forward

01:36:17.940 | and grabbed our

01:36:18.500 | corpsman who was

01:36:19.520 | all shot up and

01:36:20.200 | started dragging him

01:36:20.940 | back and I

01:36:21.860 | watched it happen

01:36:22.640 | get shot again it

01:36:23.760 | spins him drops him

01:36:25.080 | on the floor and he

01:36:25.640 | gets right back up

01:36:26.580 | picks him up again

01:36:27.860 | gets shot arm spins

01:36:29.580 | over his shoulder

01:36:30.220 | keeps dragging him

01:36:31.240 | back gets shot

01:36:31.800 | again hits the

01:36:32.880 | ground gets back

01:36:33.680 | up keeps dragging

01:36:34.620 | him it's like at

01:36:36.360 | no point was he

01:36:37.340 | ever gonna leave

01:36:37.920 | that dude could

01:36:39.380 | he have yeah he

01:36:40.700 | could have ran

01:36:41.040 | dough behind that

01:36:41.620 | tractor tire and

01:36:42.260 | sent me out there

01:36:42.820 | to go fetch him

01:36:43.360 | he was so committed

01:36:44.980 | to the process of I

01:36:46.100 | am never going to

01:36:46.840 | leave you if he

01:36:47.920 | would have took one

01:36:48.620 | right in the head

01:36:49.500 | and he would have

01:36:50.040 | died right then he

01:36:50.900 | would have never

01:36:51.680 | batted an eye about

01:36:52.320 | it if he would have

01:36:53.220 | known the outcome he

01:36:54.000 | would have went

01:36:54.340 | anyway and that part

01:36:56.300 | has stuck me the

01:36:56.820 | entire time like a

01:36:57.720 | true believer will go

01:36:58.900 | further than anyone

01:36:59.880 | else in the moment of

01:37:01.040 | total duress because

01:37:02.400 | they're conditioned to

01:37:03.100 | it he's already made

01:37:04.080 | up in his mind how

01:37:04.660 | far are you willing to

01:37:05.280 | go the entire way

01:37:06.360 | right now I'm just

01:37:07.420 | looking for an

01:37:07.880 | opportunity to prove

01:37:08.640 | it and that was

01:37:09.780 | his moment to prove

01:37:10.460 | it he proved it to

01:37:11.260 | everybody and still

01:37:13.000 | to this day I mean

01:37:13.560 | probably still my

01:37:14.420 | biggest inspiration in

01:37:15.620 | the entire teams is

01:37:16.540 | Matt Roberts

01:37:17.620 | unbelievable human

01:37:19.000 | I'm trying to get

01:37:20.560 | emotional but yeah

01:37:21.420 | just amazing human

01:37:23.200 | I mean

01:37:23.980 | intense in in in

01:37:28.420 | every way to hear

01:37:29.560 | about so I can only

01:37:30.680 | imagine what it's

01:37:31.520 | like to be there

01:37:32.740 | and your reverence

01:37:35.860 | for people around you

01:37:36.820 | that do amazing

01:37:37.520 | things is

01:37:38.220 | super impressive

01:37:39.320 | I notice you

01:37:41.800 | you're constantly

01:37:43.060 | noticing the people

01:37:44.740 | that you've been

01:37:45.620 | blessed to be around

01:37:46.600 | that show you

01:37:48.540 | things and the

01:37:50.280 | extent to which you

01:37:51.280 | internalize it is

01:37:52.260 | awesome I realize it

01:37:54.720 | also carries some

01:37:55.840 | some weight when

01:37:56.980 | they're not doing

01:37:57.960 | well it's so

01:37:58.580 | interesting I hope

01:38:00.760 | people hear what

01:38:01.940 | I'm hearing I'm sure

01:38:03.600 | they are which is

01:38:04.400 | that it's never

01:38:06.620 | about you it's

01:38:07.960 | always about seeing

01:38:09.200 | this other person

01:38:10.160 | that you you know

01:38:11.060 | was like of almost

01:38:12.080 | like a like superhero

01:38:13.520 | status like really

01:38:14.420 | they're human and it

01:38:15.620 | sort of brings

01:38:16.240 | reality back but

01:38:17.900 | all the while you're a

01:38:20.800 | central figure in this

01:38:22.760 | interaction this wasn't

01:38:23.600 | like watching it on an

01:38:24.600 | iPad from a distance

01:38:25.680 | and wishing you could

01:38:26.480 | do something like

01:38:27.220 | you're in there too

01:38:28.720 | and and that's not

01:38:29.560 | lost on on us as

01:38:30.820 | as as you tell

01:38:32.280 | this so

01:38:33.280 | you're carrying this

01:38:37.020 | in your head and

01:38:39.100 | you're still going

01:38:39.540 | back out so you

01:38:40.720 | didn't process it

01:38:41.440 | then let's talk

01:38:43.820 | about you getting

01:38:44.180 | electrocuted

01:38:44.820 | because you keep

01:38:49.000 | bopping fortunately

01:38:50.160 | you're not killed

01:38:51.660 | and then you're

01:38:55.100 | pretty close to the

01:38:57.240 | time when you can

01:38:57.840 | leave feeling like

01:38:59.160 | you've done sufficient

01:39:00.760 | time in the teams

01:39:03.180 | you've you've done

01:39:04.020 | your work was there

01:39:04.880 | a desire to stay in

01:39:05.880 | past 20 years

01:39:06.740 | oh I never planned

01:39:08.900 | on getting out

01:39:09.380 | never I nope

01:39:11.420 | you wanted to be one

01:39:12.240 | of these so-called

01:39:12.760 | bullfrogs one of

01:39:13.600 | these guys yeah I

01:39:14.480 | know one I won't

01:39:15.520 | mention his name

01:39:16.040 | because he he won't

01:39:17.180 | appreciate it but

01:39:18.060 | he did something like

01:39:19.080 | 32 years or something

01:39:20.860 | and he's a friend

01:39:24.000 | and I actually asked

01:39:25.620 | him once what his

01:39:26.220 | training regimen

01:39:26.780 | he's getting up there

01:39:27.780 | now he's gonna give

01:39:29.160 | me shit for saying

01:39:29.820 | that but but he's

01:39:31.000 | in great shape

01:39:31.620 | obviously and I

01:39:33.080 | and he he says

01:39:34.180 | he finds some way

01:39:35.260 | to make sure that

01:39:35.960 | he's breathing super

01:39:37.560 | hard and his heart

01:39:38.400 | rate is max for an

01:39:39.320 | hour a day

01:39:39.920 | just work out

01:39:41.800 | like that's doesn't

01:39:43.400 | get any simpler than

01:39:44.200 | that yeah I didn't

01:39:45.120 | ask him the variety

01:39:45.920 | of things he's done

01:39:46.580 | to accomplish that

01:39:47.380 | but I think it's

01:39:49.680 | running I think it's

01:39:50.360 | lifting heavy objects

01:39:51.360 | I think it's swimming

01:39:52.140 | I think it's but yeah

01:39:55.040 | it doesn't get any

01:39:55.580 | simpler than that

01:39:56.320 | and in addition to his

01:39:59.420 | physical durability

01:40:00.660 | his mental durability

01:40:01.980 | he says directly

01:40:03.660 | linked to that

01:40:04.260 | an hour a day

01:40:05.080 | breathing as hard

01:40:05.660 | as he can at max

01:40:06.380 | heart rate

01:40:06.900 | that's that sort of

01:40:09.240 | bullfrog mentality

01:40:10.100 | so you want to be

01:40:11.340 | one of those guys

01:40:12.040 | but you decided at

01:40:13.100 | some point like it

01:40:14.060 | might be wise to lean

01:40:15.020 | into the the family

01:40:16.160 | life

01:40:16.560 | no no god no

01:40:18.380 | nope

01:40:19.000 | okay

01:40:20.400 | so okay

01:40:21.620 | bad guess Andrew

01:40:22.800 | yeah my first major

01:40:24.440 | injury I made it all

01:40:26.080 | the way through you

01:40:26.680 | know came in in 2002

01:40:27.680 | in 2010 I was going

01:40:29.560 | through selection for

01:40:30.560 | the tier one

01:40:30.980 | organization and about

01:40:32.980 | three quarters the way

01:40:33.980 | through we do a big

01:40:34.760 | skydive block out in

01:40:36.040 | Arizona and I love

01:40:37.140 | jumping it's my jam

01:40:38.840 | and I had a bad

01:40:40.820 | landing downwind

01:40:42.580 | landing hit this

01:40:43.960 | ravine and I snapped

01:40:44.960 | my femoral neck

01:40:45.620 | broke that thing

01:40:47.100 | and I was so afraid

01:40:48.420 | they were going to

01:40:48.860 | wash me out of the

01:40:49.480 | program I just didn't

01:40:50.440 | say anything so I

01:40:52.000 | can barely walk I

01:40:52.840 | can't drive a car I

01:40:53.680 | mean it's full atrophy

01:40:54.580 | it's bad and I'm

01:40:56.840 | I'm jacked up on so

01:40:58.380 | many Toradols

01:40:59.320 | Tramadols and 800

01:41:00.700 | milligram Motrin that

01:41:01.680 | I'm able to get

01:41:02.540 | through and jump they

01:41:03.300 | know something's wrong

01:41:04.120 | with me but they know

01:41:04.800 | I'm not going to quit

01:41:05.720 | they know I'm not

01:41:06.300 | going to ask for any

01:41:06.820 | help so as long as I

01:41:08.080 | can pass the

01:41:08.620 | evolutions we're good

01:41:09.520 | and all I have to do

01:41:10.360 | is jump we graduate

01:41:12.480 | that you know we get

01:41:13.840 | drafted and all the

01:41:14.740 | different organizations

01:41:15.440 | you're going to go

01:41:16.020 | to and I walked into

01:41:17.180 | rehab and I went okay

01:41:18.900 | now that's over my

01:41:19.980 | back's broken and they

01:41:21.540 | were like oh why do

01:41:22.860 | you say that and they

01:41:23.740 | told him we had gotten

01:41:24.740 | a we got an MRI on my

01:41:26.460 | hip when we were in

01:41:27.380 | Arizona and nothing

01:41:28.140 | showed up they were

01:41:29.160 | like I think you tore

01:41:30.820 | your hip flexor and I

01:41:31.640 | was like oh if I tore

01:41:32.920 | my hip flexor I don't

01:41:33.600 | care we're good I thought

01:41:34.860 | it was my back we get

01:41:36.560 | home they run new new

01:41:37.880 | images and my femoral

01:41:38.900 | neck is snapped off and

01:41:40.800 | you know the deal you lose

01:41:41.860 | a femoral neck blood

01:41:42.660 | supply total hip

01:41:43.540 | replacement you're out of

01:41:44.360 | the military and I

01:41:45.900 | walked in saw the

01:41:46.900 | doctor and he you know

01:41:48.120 | he's sitting there in

01:41:48.780 | front of my command

01:41:49.360 | master chief and all the

01:41:50.540 | rehab guys and he goes

01:41:51.600 | hey we got emergency

01:41:53.180 | surgery for you tomorrow

01:41:54.120 | morning zero seven no no

01:41:56.020 | and he's like what I'm not

01:41:59.100 | getting surgery I've never

01:42:00.120 | had surgery I'm not

01:42:01.120 | getting surgery nope I got

01:42:02.500 | deployment coming up I'm

01:42:03.460 | not doing that and my

01:42:04.800 | command master chief looked

01:42:05.760 | at me and he goes um let

01:42:08.880 | me rephrase this you're

01:42:09.720 | getting surgery tomorrow at

01:42:10.980 | zero seven if you don't I'm

01:42:12.160 | gonna shit candy out of

01:42:12.920 | the program it's like oh

01:42:15.280 | okay what is and he's like

01:42:17.620 | 15 inches of titanium three

01:42:19.240 | lag bolts we're gonna pump

01:42:20.180 | him in there here's a rehab

01:42:21.180 | protocol you're still gonna

01:42:22.200 | deploy and you know I think

01:42:23.460 | it was a month and a half

01:42:24.240 | and we did but I got through

01:42:27.620 | from the time I broke it I

01:42:28.960 | did another 85 skydives on

01:42:30.840 | it went through Utah I mean up

01:42:33.480 | and up and down that crazy

01:42:34.920 | elevation just really just

01:42:36.760 | sucking it up but it was a

01:42:38.700 | test for mental resiliency

01:42:41.280 | how far are you willing to

01:42:42.180 | push to be a part of the

01:42:42.980 | organization the entire way

01:42:44.920 | did your team teammates know

01:42:46.720 | you had a broken femur okay

01:42:48.320 | we got through we did the

01:42:50.080 | emergency surgery had a nasty

01:42:52.440 | complication got infected you

01:42:54.820 | know wound backs the whole

01:42:56.020 | thing and they were so cool

01:42:57.800 | they uh they flew a rehab guy

01:42:59.340 | over to Afghanistan with me and

01:43:00.560 | that's how we tested out and

01:43:01.700 | you know the final test like

01:43:03.740 | we're doing vo2 maxes and

01:43:05.400 | broad jumps and all the things

01:43:06.480 | make sure your hip can take

01:43:07.420 | it and the very last thing

01:43:08.500 | was this huge box probably a

01:43:11.160 | 48 inch box got a full kit on

01:43:13.360 | and he looks at me his name's

01:43:14.740 | Mike and he goes okay we're

01:43:16.500 | gonna have you drop off this

01:43:17.480 | and land on the bad leg and he

01:43:19.800 | goes DJ do not step off that

01:43:22.460 | box if you don't think it'll

01:43:23.560 | hold I knew it wouldn't hold

01:43:25.060 | there's no way it's gonna hold

01:43:26.820 | like it feels so bad inside me

01:43:29.060 | stepped off it hit it felt like a

01:43:34.560 | bolt of lightning went through

01:43:35.460 | me and I looked at him and he

01:43:37.320 | went how do you feel I went

01:43:38.060 | hundred percent got my stuff

01:43:40.160 | down the helicopter made it

01:43:42.600 | through all that the screws

01:43:43.680 | ended up backing out going

01:43:44.780 | through my t-band a couple

01:43:46.060 | months later had to have

01:43:46.960 | another surgery and just it

01:43:48.680 | was just a long history of

01:43:50.280 | things that happened to me but

01:43:52.480 | it really got you used to we

01:43:53.900 | talked about it before are you

01:43:54.960 | hurt or are you injured I got

01:43:56.860 | to the point very very fast in

01:43:58.340 | the SEAL teams I could not tell

01:43:59.560 | the difference I don't know the

01:44:01.220 | difference everything hurts

01:44:02.640 | everything's got a limitation

01:44:03.900 | and I'm just pushing through

01:44:05.000 | it regardless and again it's

01:44:06.920 | not like I'm a unicorn if the

01:44:08.500 | amount of people over there

01:44:09.360 | need major reconstructive

01:44:11.220 | surgeries eight out of ten

01:44:12.740 | everybody needs it and they

01:44:14.620 | just don't do it because you

01:44:15.640 | have a deployment coming up or

01:44:17.240 | you have a trip you can't miss

01:44:18.460 | there's something going on the

01:44:19.480 | way you can't miss it so you

01:44:21.040 | sacrifice yourself just don't do

01:44:22.700 | it the same thing was

01:44:24.760 | happening though had a gnarly

01:44:26.800 | shoulder dislocation blew it

01:44:28.220 | out had to have major

01:44:29.060 | reconstructive surgery I had an

01:44:31.340 | admin wound four rounds of

01:44:32.980 | plastic surgery couldn't get it

01:44:34.180 | to close I mean all the

01:44:36.560 | complications are happening

01:44:37.560 | after the shoulder surgery it

01:44:39.300 | was so bad medical retirement

01:44:41.400 | was imminent so hey we're

01:44:43.360 | going to medically retire you

01:44:44.300 | same benefits if you do 20

01:44:45.680 | years but you can't do this job

01:44:47.380 | anymore they wanted to fuse my

01:44:49.200 | lower back my neck shoulder

01:44:51.200 | surgery shoulder surgery double

01:44:52.620 | hip surgery so I had three years

01:44:54.620 | of surgeries lined up it's like

01:44:56.600 | I'm not going to sit here in

01:44:57.740 | rehab for three years doing

01:44:59.300 | surgeries taking up a slot I'm

01:45:00.920 | not doing it I was like I'll

01:45:02.420 | just get out I'll retire and

01:45:03.980 | I'll deal with it on my own

01:45:04.780 | that's that's kind of the whole

01:45:07.700 | process so I I got put on a

01:45:10.480 | laundry list of medications

01:45:11.840 | 60 something pills a day

01:45:13.700 | probably 25 30 different

01:45:15.960 | prescriptions we were on

01:45:16.920 | goodness I mean Cymbalta

01:45:18.720 | Adderall Gabapen heavy heavy

01:45:20.780 | doses um Cymbalta they got

01:45:23.700 | you on antidepressants oh yeah

01:45:25.420 | and yeah Cymbalta when you

01:45:27.100 | come off Cymbalta it gives you

01:45:28.320 | the jolts oh yeah Cymbalta is a

01:45:31.560 | treat um Lyrica um I've been on

01:45:35.000 | everything um Amitripaline to

01:45:37.260 | sleep taking a heavy dose of

01:45:39.180 | those Ambien obviously everything

01:45:41.220 | everything in between you take

01:45:42.280 | it all and you don't realize that

01:45:44.980 | you're smashed all day because

01:45:48.320 | you're not you're not hitting

01:45:49.780 | alcohol you don't realize that

01:45:51.120 | you're processing pharmaceuticals

01:45:52.880 | 24 hours a day every single day

01:45:55.260 | 52 weeks out of the year you

01:45:56.880 | don't realize it you're not

01:45:57.940 | sober and that was my hardest

01:46:00.040 | thing to kind of walk away with

01:46:01.640 | is I came out of this rehab

01:46:02.800 | program they put me on these

01:46:04.480 | medications and I felt like a

01:46:05.980 | million bucks I got really hurt in

01:46:07.600 | 2013 amnesia forgetting where I

01:46:10.760 | was at and I went down they gave

01:46:12.820 | me these pills and I felt like

01:46:14.820 | Jesus came down and touched me you

01:46:16.720 | gave me Adderall and Cymbalta okay

01:46:19.360 | what else you have oh we got this

01:46:20.780 | we got this we get give them to me

01:46:22.680 | stellate ganglion blocks in my throat

01:46:24.460 | give to me Reiki give to me anything

01:46:26.860 | you have I'll do it there's not a

01:46:28.720 | protocol on the planet I have not

01:46:30.100 | done and I've done them at a hundred

01:46:31.540 | percent full value and they buy you a

01:46:35.180 | little bit of relief we got to the

01:46:37.400 | point where I was taking so many

01:46:38.880 | different medications a bunch of them

01:46:40.460 | you were not allowed to take

01:46:41.320 | together and I had a new doctor came

01:46:43.720 | in he's trying to refill all my

01:46:45.120 | prescriptions and he's like you

01:46:47.120 | can't take these four medications in

01:46:49.040 | combination he's like it'll give you a

01:46:50.240 | stroke dj it'll kill you and I went

01:46:52.260 | well it's 2019 I've been taking them

01:46:55.280 | since 2010 like I have to keep taking

01:46:59.420 | he's like you're gonna have to a med

01:47:01.180 | washout they send me down to Walter

01:47:03.680 | Reed the 70s it's a neurobehavioral

01:47:05.640 | ward I don't know that I think it's

01:47:08.220 | like a team guy clinic where we're

01:47:09.580 | gonna go work on shoulder mobility and

01:47:11.400 | whatever else because I just came

01:47:13.140 | after a lap couldn't help it oh I

01:47:15.080 | mean you know I was you don't know

01:47:17.940 | right I don't know I go down there

01:47:19.760 | they start taking my shoelaces they

01:47:21.320 | take everything I have and my what is

01:47:24.660 | this I mean there's fighter pilots

01:47:25.940 | during those green berets that are in

01:47:27.480 | there like I went through seer school I

01:47:29.020 | don't need this seer school it's

01:47:30.480 | torture training yeah yeah I don't know

01:47:33.400 | why I'm doing this they don't tell me

01:47:35.320 | it's a neurobehavioral ward they tell

01:47:36.640 | me it's for a med washout he's like

01:47:37.920 | hey you're gonna go there he's like

01:47:39.380 | you're gonna focus on shoulder rehab

01:47:40.820 | because that was a gnarly shoulder

01:47:42.360 | surgery he's like they're gonna focus

01:47:43.960 | on that we'll get you washed out of

01:47:45.200 | these meds we'll come back you'll be in

01:47:46.500 | a good spot medical retirement

01:47:47.840 | transition next phase awesome I went in

01:47:51.220 | that hospital broken my eyes were jet

01:47:54.020 | black I was 180 pounds just death warmed

01:47:57.200 | over I didn't want to do anything and I

01:47:59.720 | laid in that hospital bed and I had

01:48:01.660 | these I had the most amazing nursing

01:48:03.600 | staff and I laid down that bed I

01:48:07.100 | I started getting sick and I was like

01:48:08.720 | I can food boys throwing up pissing

01:48:12.280 | myself I mean the whole thing and I

01:48:14.560 | remember throwing up in this bucket and

01:48:16.200 | beautiful black nurse that has this wet

01:48:18.020 | washcloth and she's washing my face off

01:48:19.760 | and I was like I don't know what I ate

01:48:22.020 | I was like I'm so sorry like I feel so

01:48:23.940 | embarrassed and she's like it's okay it's

01:48:25.420 | okay it's like I haven't eaten anything

01:48:27.440 | I was like I never get food poisoning she's

01:48:29.920 | like oh honey it's it's okay and I can

01:48:32.380 | remember the look she gave me like you

01:48:33.600 | have no idea why you're here Wow I was

01:48:36.300 | like that for probably 10 days around the

01:48:38.880 | 10th or 11th day I finally came out of

01:48:40.580 | my room I got sunglasses on my

01:48:43.480 | photophobia was so bad if you shine light

01:48:45.480 | my eyes I'd throw up like my TBI was it

01:48:49.060 | was controlling everything I had wasn't

01:48:50.780 | sleeping had insomnia had everything you

01:48:52.700 | could have and that was the first time in

01:48:55.720 | a decade I had been truly sober no booze

01:48:58.360 | no nicotine no pharmaceuticals of any kind

01:49:00.920 | and that was my baseline and if you would

01:49:03.600 | have given me the ability I would have

01:49:05.640 | closed out that chapter right then I was

01:49:07.960 | done I could not believe what I had done

01:49:10.140 | to myself what I turned myself into and

01:49:12.680 | there's no way to get better like I'm

01:49:14.440 | stuck like this now you're gonna kick me

01:49:15.800 | out of the only thing that I've ever

01:49:16.860 | loved what am I supposed to do now rock

01:49:19.240 | bottom and we started spinning up art

01:49:22.380 | therapy so I had I'd been there before we

01:49:26.420 | done art there before and I found it

01:49:27.780 | really beneficial and actually the the

01:49:30.740 | Red Cross used to bring me in dogs they'd

01:49:33.520 | bring me in a St. Bernard drop in my

01:49:34.880 | bedroom and I just I do dog therapy for a

01:49:36.740 | little bit and she's like do you want to

01:49:38.520 | do art therapy and I was like I'd love to

01:49:40.040 | and she's like well what do you want I was

01:49:42.160 | like I'd really love a skateboard and they

01:49:45.240 | snuck me out of that hospital not supposed

01:49:46.820 | to and they drove me down this little skate

01:49:48.380 | shop right outside of Walter Reed and

01:49:51.040 | there's a skate shop there and I walk in

01:49:52.960 | you know I've got my gown and stuff on like

01:49:54.540 | I'm all I'm all jacked up hair super

01:49:57.000 | long beards long I look like a hobo and

01:50:00.580 | I told the guy my story I was like hey I

01:50:03.240 | grew up skateboarding like it was my

01:50:04.920 | passion and I really would love to have a

01:50:07.320 | skateboard just to paint do art therapy

01:50:08.760 | yeah because I got a couple bolts in my

01:50:10.260 | femur that ripped through a couple tendons

01:50:12.720 | and you know I just got got detoxed and

01:50:14.800 | didn't realize it and I'm here can I ride a

01:50:19.460 | skateboard love it so he gives me a bunch

01:50:22.500 | of blank skateboards and I go back and I'm

01:50:24.160 | paper mache I'm doing hands coming out of

01:50:26.460 | them just a bunch of really dark demonic

01:50:28.340 | stuff but I felt so good when I came out my

01:50:32.300 | best friend Cole Fackler same guy I started

01:50:34.220 | tribe skates with and GVRS with we went to

01:50:37.060 | BUDS together he grew up in Virginia

01:50:39.060 | Beach with me and so we've been thick as

01:50:40.840 | these for 25 years now and he's like open up

01:50:44.980 | an LLC he opens up the backside and he's

01:50:47.680 | like let's just make skateboarding your art

01:50:49.820 | therapy so we had an artist come on board

01:50:52.620 | we'd start drawing you know motivational

01:50:54.860 | things you know old school UDT stuff for

01:50:57.860 | firemen stuff for police officers memorial

01:50:59.840 | skateboards and then I found fracture

01:51:02.180 | burning so you essentially take a microwave

01:51:04.880 | transformer pull it out and you hook it up

01:51:07.060 | to jumper cables and then run a lead out to

01:51:09.500 | an octopus outlet like 110 so when I clip

01:51:12.240 | it on top of the wood and I pour an

01:51:14.100 | electrolyte solution on it coca-cola baking

01:51:16.280 | soda with warm water was my favorite and I

01:51:18.620 | hit it it'll burn the wood grain and they'll

01:51:20.700 | connect scrub all that out fill with resin

01:51:23.220 | just make these beautiful pieces and that

01:51:25.900 | was my art therapy I could sit there and

01:51:27.560 | burn skateboards all day every day it was

01:51:30.260 | it was amazing like it truly changed my

01:51:34.400 | life and I don't know why I didn't grow up

01:51:36.540 | around electricity obviously I'm not very

01:51:38.340 | good at it and it was something about having

01:51:42.440 | to sit there and sand the lacquer off that

01:51:44.440 | skateboard I mean I'd buy brand new

01:51:45.880 | skateboards I'd sand the entire graphic off

01:51:48.140 | of it and then we'd burn them you have to

01:51:50.280 | sand them off you'd have to rinse them

01:51:51.620 | wait 24 hours pour the resin wait 24 hours

01:51:54.400 | sand them off pour it again 24 hours I mean

01:51:56.620 | it's a seven-day process to make one board

01:51:58.600 | and we'd bring in guys that were

01:52:00.460 | transitioning they'd do it too it was their

01:52:02.060 | form of art therapy and I felt like I was

01:52:03.520 | making a difference and I'm scheduled to

01:52:07.360 | retire at the end of August 2019 this is

01:52:11.140 | Father's Day so was that into June it's

01:52:14.560 | like mid-June is that right something like

01:52:16.200 | that right before I'm scheduled to retire

01:52:17.560 | Father's Day morning around 9 a.m. I've

01:52:19.880 | been up since 5 burning skateboards I've

01:52:22.280 | got a big bay window looks out my backyard

01:52:24.040 | and I've got the seesaw set up these

01:52:25.660 | boards and I've got an EOD guy explosive

01:52:29.280 | ordinance guy from Navy he's making paddles

01:52:32.320 | for retirement so he comes over they're

01:52:34.740 | covered in lacquer and I'm like yo my man

01:52:36.440 | I can't burn them while they have the

01:52:37.980 | lacquer so he's got a sander out I've

01:52:40.860 | been burning so I unplugged my machine he

01:52:43.140 | plugs into my octopus outlet and it's

01:52:44.820 | sanding down the lacquer when he's done

01:52:47.320 | I'll clip in I'll burn him real quick he'll

01:52:49.100 | finish him off and my wife I'll never

01:52:51.700 | forget I look up and she bangs on the

01:52:53.720 | window and she's like it's Father's Day

01:52:55.580 | we're supposed to go eat brunch and I was

01:52:56.820 | like last burn last burn he had unplugged

01:53:02.440 | the sander and plugged in my machine into

01:53:04.820 | the octopus outlet and now there's a charge

01:53:06.860 | going to it it's sitting on the ground I

01:53:08.980 | don't know it and the way I run the protocol

01:53:11.760 | is there's no electricity running to it

01:53:13.500 | so I mean you can put these things in your

01:53:14.660 | mouth there's no electricity so I pick

01:53:16.720 | them up to adjust them because then I'm

01:53:18.280 | going to walk back plug it in everybody's

01:53:20.100 | clear flick the outlet and when I readjusted

01:53:23.740 | him the whole thing lit me up I had him in

01:53:27.820 | both hands you closed the circuit yep so

01:53:30.800 | they were live on the lead just sitting on

01:53:32.900 | the ground I didn't know it so I went to

01:53:34.300 | readjust him I made contact with him and it

01:53:36.620 | spun me around and I faced him about this

01:53:38.600 | far away and I can remember the back of my

01:53:40.900 | head was trying to touch my tailbone I was

01:53:42.900 | trying to fight it I could feel my teeth

01:53:45.260 | heating up and I was squeezing this thing as

01:53:47.580 | hard as I could and I heard a pop pop and I

01:53:50.300 | stepped back that was my collarbone shattering

01:53:52.980 | from flex my scapula they both shattered but in

01:53:56.600 | the process you take a hose and you wash off all

01:53:58.980 | the ash so right behind me is ankle deep

01:54:01.640 | standing water and now I'm holding on this thing I

01:54:04.460 | step back and my wife both my kids are turned

01:54:07.380 | around watching me from eight feet away I pop

01:54:11.200 | up I levitate and it launches me about 20 feet

01:54:13.880 | across my backyard still holding on to the leads

01:54:16.620 | he thank God has a wherewithal to unplug it

01:54:20.560 | so when I wake up my hair standing straight up my

01:54:24.880 | hands are smoking and I exhale and all this smoke

01:54:28.460 | came out of my mouth and I remember laying on the

01:54:30.880 | ground and he's right in my face and he goes do you know where you're at

01:54:33.620 | and I said on the ground and he went can you move and I went my shoulders

01:54:37.840 | dislocated for sure anyway can you set up no help me and he pulled me up and as

01:54:42.900 | soon as he put pressure on there I could feel my scapula just gravel I could feel

01:54:46.780 | this all hinging in there my hands are smoking like so it blew out of my finger

01:54:51.740 | blew out of this thumb it fused my tendon to the nerve bundle so it was stuck like

01:54:56.240 | this I couldn't move anything up here he stands

01:55:00.460 | he stands me up and I tell him I'm gonna drive myself to the hospital my wife is freaking out

01:55:05.520 | they're trying to unplug the machine you know my kids are running out there and I don't want

01:55:09.060 | them to see me like this I don't have a shirt on I don't even have shoes I'm just got a pair of shorts

01:55:14.500 | and my shorts are on fire so I had little um ingrown hairs my thighs

01:55:19.520 | electricity was shooting out of those and caught my shorts on fire anywhere I had them so out of top

01:55:24.440 | my head one uh one next my nether region I mean just exit shots coming out of my body I don't know

01:55:30.880 | anything about electricity but it's not good and I take a turn and I've probably got to walk maybe

01:55:37.860 | 35 40 feet to my car so he's in there with my wife trying to get the keys trying to get me in there

01:55:43.960 | and I turn and I step to the door have you seen kill bill remember the five finger death touch

01:55:50.100 | five steps I took one step and everything went

01:55:52.600 | I took another one and it started closing and everything started going black I was like oh god

01:55:58.540 | third step and I was like oh no fourth fifth and I'm looking through a toilet paper straw and I'm like

01:56:05.020 | oh my god I took one more step and everything went black and I was in total blindness staying out there

01:56:09.780 | I'm opening my eyes as wide as I can and I'm panicking I can hear my wife running through the

01:56:14.800 | house screaming I can hear him running around screaming trying to get everything together and

01:56:18.640 | I'm stuck on the side of my house like this just shaking I can't see anything

01:56:22.560 | and I start power breathing as deep and as hard as I can and I saw a little speck of light and I just

01:56:30.200 | kept doing it just forcing it inhaled the nose and mouth just power as much as I can

01:56:34.340 | it started to open up open up open up and probably 20 breaths into it it was like I had superhuman

01:56:40.660 | vision it was like I was interconnected with everything on the planet it was like I had a DMT trip

01:56:45.780 | everything was super vibrant I was totally aware of my whole body I knew everything that just happened

01:56:50.860 | to me I could recall things from in the past and I knew everything was gonna be fine I'm good I walk

01:56:57.900 | right over the truck I open up the car I get inside it we hit every single speed bump and pothole from there

01:57:02.700 | until the ER just jostling around me you can hear the remote just to remind you your shoulder

01:57:06.700 | uh was a little messed up yeah shoulders shoulders plural so I walked through the ER

01:57:12.340 | and Princess Anne Sentara in Virginia Beach has an amazing staff what they also have is a staff of

01:57:21.100 | really really beautiful nurses but now it's COVID so now everybody has a mask on and all you can see

01:57:26.920 | their eyes and they had the most beautiful eyes I've ever seen and I'm laying on my back you know

01:57:32.200 | I walk in and they can see it like if one of the nurses made a comment like who brought in barbecue

01:57:37.360 | and it's my hands like they're melted like they're smoking it's so bad like it's making me nauseous to think

01:57:44.140 | about it they get me in that table and I'll never forget this nurse came over and spun her face and she goes

01:57:49.200 | I'm so surprised you still have a penis

01:57:51.580 | it's a what and she went honey when you get electrocuted usually fingers come off your nose

01:57:57.600 | comes off everything comes off you and she's like as far as we can tell you're intact and you haven't lost

01:58:03.200 | anything right now she's like move your fingers I'm moving everything open my mouth can you hear I can

01:58:07.400 | hear and she's like okay well here we go they transfer me I think I took an ambulance ride I kind of blacked out

01:58:14.680 | for a little bit and then I woke up in the burn unit in Norfolk and I had the specialist came in

01:58:18.800 | my wife is now with me we're laying there double slings you know trying to identify how bad everything

01:58:24.720 | is they know we've got to do an emergency surgery on all this and he goes DJ so this is after my two

01:58:31.940 | months with Vernon so this is the best physical condition I've ever been in so I came from 180 now I'm

01:58:37.680 | 220 6% body fat I'm in phenomenal shape like I don't need to retire I could probably still suit it

01:58:44.720 | up again and now I'm laying in this hospital bed I have to show you the photos and he uh he walks in

01:58:50.460 | he's like you know what rhabdo is and I said yeah and he goes when you get electrocuted your body releases

01:58:55.000 | an enzyme everybody has but it multiplies rapidly and your muscles liquefy and they go toxic then it goes

01:59:01.280 | septic and you die your issue is you're a big dude if these enzyme markers hit this level I got

01:59:08.540 | to start cutting stuff out of you man taking muscle off yeah he's like pecs lats shoulders delts hamstrings

01:59:14.400 | quads like so every hour I'm coming back here and we got to start doing these enzyme markers so I'm

01:59:20.420 | laying in that bed can't move I can't run can't do anything and I'm looking at my wife and I'm just

01:59:25.860 | imagine Dr. Kevorkian coming in here and chopping me up in little pieces I've never been in a low

01:59:31.900 | spot like that outside of being stuck behind that tire with Maddie this is the first time since then

01:59:36.900 | where I was a true victim of circumstance there's nothing I can do to prevent this there's no magic

01:59:41.680 | pill I can take there's nowhere to run there's nothing I can do I'm either gonna lay in this

01:59:45.180 | hospital bed or I'm gonna let that dude come in here and chop me up into pieces and I'm just consumed

01:59:50.040 | with anger guilt envy I just don't want to be here right now and he came back in the hour and he's

01:59:58.060 | like levels are good levels are good came back next hour levels are good third hour fourth hour fifth

02:00:04.400 | hour and he's like DJ every person on the planet has this enzyme in your body everyone not only is yours

02:00:12.020 | not climbing not increasing there's not a trace of in your body now he's like I've never seen anything

02:00:18.160 | like it he's like tomorrow morning you're free to go okay they planned the surgery they put in two

02:00:25.880 | plates 20 something screws did the whole thing but didn't have to chop me up and you know from talking

02:00:32.460 | all the other people typically people get electrocuted by one touch so this arm comes off you know ribcages

02:00:38.240 | blow open they were like we don't know if it's because you had leads in both hands and you just

02:00:42.280 | completed a circuit and were able to ride it we don't know what would happen if you would have held it

02:00:46.160 | for another second and a half where's your heart starting and stopping just the perfect timing all

02:00:51.040 | the stars had to rely on for you to be here right now and it's a medical mystery so I took it with that

02:00:55.500 | medical mystery and now we're here but I had to walk back in so I get dropped off my house and this is

02:01:03.240 | where Vernon really comes into play is I'm sitting in my house in double slings I've got two kids I've got

02:01:09.960 | a wife I've got no income I've got no job I've got no one that can hire me and I can't do anything physically

02:01:16.100 | nothing I'm just laying in there in mental health straight down the tube and I'm laying there at my kitchen

02:01:23.040 | table just feeling absolute the worst I've ever felt and I get a

02:01:28.040 | jump up to the door open up the door and there's my trainer Vernon he's like how are you doing big guy

02:01:36.180 | not good he like gives me this this half-assed hug we walk in the kitchen we're sitting down and

02:01:42.620 | he's like talk me through it I can't do anything he's like okay well now that we've established that

02:01:48.660 | what can you do it's like nothing well can you make a fist you know my hands are all bandaged up

02:01:54.440 | I was like yeah and he goes can you move your wrist yeah anyway can you walk I can walk he's like perfect

02:02:02.280 | pulls out his back pocket this little blue two pound dumbbell and he sticks it in my fingertips

02:02:08.100 | he's like curl it and I curled up and I did a wrist curl and he went roll your hand over

02:02:12.540 | okay so we can do grip and we can walk here we go and we did that every single day until I could

02:02:20.900 | pressurize my upper body enough to where a sneeze wouldn't cripple me and then we were straight back

02:02:25.260 | in the gym so I'd walk in double slings he's like the only thing we can do is belt squats lunges and

02:02:30.240 | mobility that's all we're gonna do belt squatting and double slings uh-huh that's awesome but I walk in

02:02:35.120 | so you're not holding on to the hole it's none of that I can't do anything so I'd literally walk in

02:02:39.180 | I'd step through like a hula hoop he would bring it up around me I'd step on the platform I'd squat

02:02:43.540 | down he'd clip me in I'd stand up he'd unrack it I'd do my set re-rack it he'd take the belt off me

02:02:49.040 | over and over and he rebuilt me back every single day five days a week we have never missed a session

02:02:55.140 | together since 2019 never saved my life man that is awesome he is the best human he's been more of a

02:03:04.000 | life coach and a strength coach he has unbelievable and without him if he wouldn't have walked in with

02:03:09.360 | that two-pound dumbbell there's no telling where I'd be at right now I told that story at the tactical

02:03:14.640 | strength condition conference like no one does that no one is going to come over during that moment and

02:03:21.140 | push you everybody's going to walk over and put them I'm so sorry for you oh I can't believe this

02:03:26.820 | happened not him it's like control things you can't control can you make a fist can you turn your

02:03:32.220 | wrist wrist girls in 20 minute walks here we go and that's what we did every single day

02:03:36.320 | bounce it all the way back I mean he's been there had to get a surgery on my hand had to rebuild this

02:03:42.140 | whole hand all the strength and everything we've had to do the stomach the kidney everything in between

02:03:47.380 | and he's been there for how many years ago was that the roughly that was in 2019 so what is that

02:03:52.860 | it wasn't that long ago six years and now you're feeling great super robust we'll talk about your

02:03:58.740 | training now and what people can do with that training I've gleaned a lot of really useful

02:04:02.960 | information about your from your current training program about setting standards and

02:04:06.500 | um that is a wild ride I always say like at least give me a cool story with it like you know I get

02:04:15.820 | this kidney thing going on not a cool story electrocution it's a cool story you know it's a

02:04:19.800 | feel-good story at the end it wasn't going through it but I mean surround yourself with people better than

02:04:24.960 | you and they'll definitely pull you out of the depths of despair I mean it's an amazing story

02:04:29.280 | I at one point I thought when you made the return to the skateboarding thing I thought oh you

02:04:33.180 | you know start skateboarding again you feel it almost it almost killed you and didn't even have

02:04:37.340 | trucks and wheels on the thing yet exactly oh man I'm gonna take a second to absorb all that um

02:04:43.600 | I was gonna ask you this later when we talk about ibogaine and DMT um and some of the emerging

02:04:52.340 | therapeutics for PTSD substance abuse and other things that veterans are really uh fully embracing now and

02:05:01.700 | and that are making uh a clear march toward broader treatment of mental health issues but

02:05:07.400 | uh I'll ask you now and I'll probably ask you again later at any point in this um or headed into this

02:05:14.040 | whole set of things um setbacks and comebacks um did you have feelings of higher power I mean I don't

02:05:22.860 | want to put you on the spot but were you raised religious do you believe in God any of that I mean

02:05:28.080 | you know were it not for the fact that uh a very very seriously scientifically educated friend of mine

02:05:36.780 | Stanford medical school Harvard uh medical um who was a lifetime atheist turned turned to me recently

02:05:44.940 | and he said you know I he said he's in his words I believe in miracles I said miracle miracles or medical

02:05:51.480 | miracle miracles and he said miracle miracles I said really you of all people uh and he said yeah

02:05:57.600 | I believe in and I said how and he said because um I don't want to reveal who this person is out of

02:06:03.560 | um you know it's his right to talk about these things but he said that uh because of his math

02:06:09.700 | training he said you know that some of the things he's seen and experienced have have exceeded um

02:06:16.480 | probability statistics that it's impossible for the that literally impossible for these things to

02:06:24.480 | happen this isn't you know one in a trillion or one in 10 trillion that it that some of these miracles

02:06:31.500 | go beyond what chance could provide uh intersecting chances and so you know to hear a story like yours

02:06:38.780 | people will come up with their own interpretations and I'm a scientist I believe in science I I do happen

02:06:43.640 | to believe in God but I it's an individual choice for everybody but did you ever step back and and

02:06:48.820 | wonder whether or not in addition to Vernon in addition to Maddie in addition to your teammates

02:06:53.140 | in addition to your wife whose father happened to be a team guy I mean there's some things around

02:06:58.000 | Virginia Beach they could have predicted that perhaps but did you ever pause and just go yeah maybe

02:07:05.120 | there are forces beyond everything I can see that are uh watching out for me because you've you've

02:07:11.820 | had a number of second third fourth chances that starting to sound miraculous they are

02:07:18.400 | we didn't grow up religious at all I was always spiritual always like and I mean you experience

02:07:26.140 | things in life that can't be can't be explained and then when you see religious people like well

02:07:31.720 | that's a miracle you're like is it a miracle or am I just lucky you start to look at it and then you

02:07:37.240 | do five and you realize like yeah yep it's got to be it's got to be real like there has to be a higher

02:07:42.960 | power there has to be something that's pulling the strings it's making this happen like divine

02:07:47.020 | intervention there's no reason I should be here after that after this this you add up all these

02:07:53.200 | things like there's not a chance like why like what am I supposed to be doing here how am I supposed

02:07:58.100 | to pay that forward like if somebody's pulling the strings to make sure I'm sitting in this seat

02:08:02.360 | what am I doing to make sure I'm not wasting this opportunity but I mean it definitely makes you

02:08:07.280 | question I mean I I definitely see why guys get I don't say hung up on religion but when they they

02:08:13.200 | really buy in they really turn the page you know like how much of that is just for tv none of it with

02:08:19.540 | that guy right like he felt it he saw the change and I mean I've seen too many miracles happen to

02:08:29.020 | believe that somebody's not behind it some things not behind it yeah appreciate you sharing that um

02:08:36.660 | I realize that especially on a science health podcast and we talk about other things but it's

02:08:40.640 | talked about it more and more recently just I mean I can't help but be a curious human being and wonder

02:08:46.980 | about these things um whatever the case may be uh you you made it through um you retired you you did you uh

02:08:57.460 | I couldn't imagine if your wife had uh had um heard that you were not going to retire I I mean I'd like

02:09:04.920 | to think that nothing can break your guys's uh marriage but man that's got that's a lot to bear

02:09:09.640 | she was over it yeah with the kids seeing this um yeah you know and I had turned myself into something

02:09:16.980 | that I was I wasn't proud of you know I talk about dials not switches like being able to power down

02:09:23.140 | powered up powered off I never did that so she got to see the transition from being at Siltington and

02:09:30.880 | then going over the tier one organization and what that does with you the pressure to perform the performance

02:09:36.400 | on demand it it changes you it has to you can't be the same person you were at 17 19 20 and then do

02:09:43.600 | that job you can't you have to be able to change and I think a lot of that it was just it was wearing

02:09:49.360 | her down I mean I was going so much and a lot of that I try to explain to the guys now like don't do

02:09:54.500 | what I did I would go on every single trip I could because I was living these multiple different lives

02:10:01.660 | like I would go out to Arizona and I would skydive for months on end like I mean I think I did almost

02:10:08.960 | four thousand jumps in seven years like we went we turned the page and that's deploying that's every

02:10:14.260 | other training trip that's just sacrificing every weekend and making big pushes out there but when

02:10:19.300 | you go no one knows who you are they don't know what you do for a job they just think you're a normal

02:10:23.100 | skydiver like we're doing these big wave formations and you know trying out for world records and doing

02:10:28.760 | all this stuff and it's amazing but it just takes you so far away from that person I have to be in

02:10:33.300 | Virginia Beach become addicted to it and then when I go here I can be someone else completely no one

02:10:38.480 | knows who I am I go on this trip no one knows who I am you don't talk about the job you do you make

02:10:43.120 | up a line I'll throw them out there and it'll make them all mad we tell everybody you're part of the

02:10:46.900 | Red Bull Air Force Red Bull Air Force yeah like we skydive with all the boys we know them all and

02:10:52.160 | because you skydive enough you can speak the lingo like they see you out all the drop zones they see

02:10:56.520 | you can fake that really really well some guys will be a hot air balloon pilot you'll be an MMA fighter

02:11:01.700 | you'll be a hockey team or we had real long hair you can adopt these different personas and I think

02:11:06.860 | a lot of that is just trying to compartmentalize what you have back home it's where I don't have

02:11:10.740 | to think about it because you'll literally I mean your buddies will tell you you'll be sitting on the

02:11:15.560 | couch at two o'clock in the afternoon and when that pager goes off you're gone right now like you got 30

02:11:22.960 | minutes there's no goodbye there's no oh let me swing by work real quick and give you one kiss you don't

02:11:28.440 | go on fishing jump in a car and you're gone and you got to be able to shut it off it's very very hard to do

02:11:33.520 | when you're just so obsessed with being the best husband and the best father you can't shut that off

02:11:39.580 | the whole flight in you're just thinking I'm like if this happens this happens how my daughter's going to

02:11:44.140 | react like oh my god they're gonna come here what point of the day she's gonna get the news how

02:11:49.380 | what do they give me I'm not gonna be there for the marriage I can be here for this this you start

02:11:54.080 | to think about everything you're gonna miss cloud your judgment and it makes you hesitate at that

02:11:58.420 | moment you can't you can't hesitate especially when no one else does and you paint that in your mind

02:12:03.560 | nobody else in here is thinking about being a full-time dad or a full-time husband right now

02:12:07.460 | nobody cares if I'm a 63 percent husband nobody cares they need me to do this job at a hundred percent

02:12:14.300 | because that's what this craft deserves but it turns you into something you don't want to be

02:12:19.000 | long-term it's hard man but she was done she was begging for me to hang it up because all of our

02:12:26.300 | friends are dying and then all the guys that transition out they started doing contracting

02:12:30.040 | jobs they're getting killed they're getting shot we're picking up from the hospital

02:12:33.740 | what else you want me to do there's no retirement club you don't know work at home depot what do you

02:12:39.140 | want me to do I only know how to do this one thing and that was the plan I was going to retire

02:12:43.160 | and start contracting with one of the government agencies and essentially do the same job I do now

02:12:47.640 | just make a little bit better money a little better schedule and one thing led to another and ended up

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02:14:46.760 | but first I want to talk a little bit about posture recently I heard you talking about physical posture

02:14:54.200 | in the gym literally form and how upright one is with their stance or squat and how that translates to

02:15:04.040 | mental posture and it was the first time I've ever heard anyone talk about translating the physical

02:15:10.280 | into the mental in this way so if you don't mind how do you think about mental posture and physical

02:15:17.000 | posture and how the two intersect I think in that analogy the metaphor I used physical posture if you

02:15:23.400 | think if I stand feet shoulder-width apart and I put a barbell on me you slide on 45s I'm strong

02:15:29.800 | two more 45s I'm strong you could load up eight nine hundred pounds and I could sit there and hold it

02:15:35.320 | or if you put 315 pounds on it I can drop butt the floor and I can squat it if I hold it at 90 degrees

02:15:43.000 | and you add on a 45 it feels like a ton you start adding on tens everything starts to quiver I use

02:15:48.920 | the same thing as my mental health if I wake up in the morning I've set my morning routine and I'm

02:15:54.280 | firing on all eight cylinders you can stack on everything on top of me because I'm in an optimal

02:15:59.000 | state I can take it just like I'm in a full posture just keep giving it to me keep giving it to me if I

02:16:04.040 | wake up my morning routine's not there I start reading some hateful stuff in the morning don't

02:16:08.440 | have a good input with my wife first thing I'm stuck behind the school bus late my first meeting

02:16:13.080 | now you hand me a parking ticket it feels like the world is collapsing on top of me and I can't do

02:16:17.320 | anything for it so throughout the entire day that's the whole purpose of the micro win kind of formula

02:16:22.840 | stack up as many wins to put yourself in optimal head space because reality isn't going to know

02:16:27.640 | it's going to smack you either way and if I keep myself blocking everything that's externally toxic to

02:16:34.040 | me when something does get put on me that I have to wear I'm in a good posture to put it on that jacket

02:16:39.160 | might weigh 55 pounds I put it on and I'm still strong because I've been dropping off everything that

02:16:44.600 | I don't need to wear all day long yeah I mean but you'll see it I mean I know you say you analyze people

02:16:50.520 | all day long when people are in a negative head space their posture changes their head drops their

02:16:55.240 | shoulders roll forward they're always looking at the ground they're never up processing information

02:16:59.480 | it's because they're dragging whatever just happened all day long now you add in one more thing your mom's

02:17:06.360 | got cancer oh your wife's gonna leave you oh your kids are so everything just starts to weigh down you

02:17:13.400 | and it feels feels like something you'll never get past insurmountable it's at some point and that's all

02:17:19.160 | because you will start to let it slowly but surely chip away at you it's like control the things you

02:17:23.880 | can control and the things you can't control you either avoid them completely or you take them as

02:17:28.200 | that's a reality you have to live through right now I don't know why you have cancer but you do and you

02:17:33.240 | got to get through it okay well what positive things do I have great relationship with my wife great

02:17:40.120 | relationship with my kids great relationship my friends my social circle has shrunk everyone around me is

02:17:44.920 | better than me and they want me to be better okay well I can take on a whole lot if I don't have a

02:17:50.280 | tight circle no relationship my wife ostracized my kids everything now you start to add on that external

02:17:56.840 | stress it it cripples me really really fast and I know I'm not the only one so when I say it to everybody

02:18:02.440 | whatever you have going on right now whatever is absorbing all your bandwidth it's us too but you're

02:18:09.080 | choosing to wear that jacket all day you're putting on another one and then another one and you add the

02:18:13.720 | external pressure of having to provide for a family and be you know that emotionally stable figure for

02:18:19.720 | the household it's hard to do all day long and a lot of people lose sight of it and I think that's why

02:18:25.720 | so many people close their chapter early they offer suicide because they think there's no way I can write

02:18:31.800 | the ship like it's go it's gone too far right now and I don't want to have to sit here and rebuild it

02:18:36.840 | and they close the chapter out it's like if we could have eliminated all those things and given yourself

02:18:42.840 | a breath of fresh air would you have done the same thing if I would have grabbed you right before the

02:18:47.400 | moment like this isn't permanent you can fix this right now you just have to change these aspects they

02:18:53.240 | would in the moment though and I've been there you don't have the clarity you don't have the vision and

02:18:59.240 | and a guy told me a long time ago he goes I think a lot of people want to hit the reset button on the

02:19:05.000 | Nintendo cha-ching restart restart the game you're not restarting the game it's over forever and I hate

02:19:14.200 | seeing people do it I think now you know after I've come out of the medicine I've done a bunch of therapy

02:19:18.680 | and cut out a lot of toxicity out of my life I've gotten that breath of fresh air and I'm just you know

02:19:23.880 | I told Marcus and Amber Capone when I came out of the treatment I'm going to jump on the nearest building I'm

02:19:28.520 | going to shout it from the rooftops like this will help there is a way out of this funk it's

02:19:33.800 | just one step further than you've currently gone like there's light at the end of that tunnel just

02:19:37.640 | one step further one step further and just continuously go and it'll get better but yeah

02:19:43.800 | for me posture is a huge thing I mean in combatives it's a huge thing in processing information it's a huge

02:19:48.520 | thing in dealing with stress it's a huge thing I can't let myself collapse because once you start adding

02:19:54.200 | another pound of me it hits me to the floor really fast so control the things you can control and a lot

02:19:59.320 | of it is just your posture and your perspective great message would you agree that lying down in bed

02:20:06.200 | on one's phone on social media is a very dangerous posture because I would argue that and I also tell

02:20:12.440 | guys if you are going to lay in the fetal position and tweet out how bad your mental health is stop

02:20:17.480 | go to a Starbucks go to Whole Foods walk around and see normal human interaction and tell a stranger

02:20:23.560 | you're suffering for mental health they don't do it you're just going to sit there in a fetal position

02:20:28.200 | feeling sorry for yourself and you think it'll get better tomorrow it won't I've already lived that

02:20:31.960 | life I've already painted the picture for you I played you the movie you've watched it it's not going to

02:20:36.440 | work you're going to have to get out of that bed and you're going to have to do something every single

02:20:40.040 | day that brings you out of that dark depression and for me it's physical movement if you have the

02:20:44.520 | ability to move move don't lay in that bed don't just sit there and scroll you know Vernon says it

02:20:51.000 | your diet's important not what you eat but what you consume visually audio the music you listen to

02:20:58.360 | we all know there's some music you listen to that just changed you ever so slightly is that the

02:21:03.240 | person I need to be walking to the store do I need to blare mega death right now no I need to

02:21:08.840 | play Ludovico that's what I need I need to walk into this room at a hundred percent full capacity

02:21:14.520 | and just receive whatever energy is in the room right now it's hard to do if I'm in the depths of

02:21:19.560 | despair right now so yeah I try to put myself in position where I have optimal posture all day

02:21:24.920 | you mentioned uh Marcus and Amber Capone now is probably a good time for us to just reference

02:21:30.600 | who they are and um the work that you guys have been doing and uh and anytime I sort of plug something

02:21:36.920 | or mention something I want to be very clear I don't have any formal affiliation to this upcoming

02:21:41.000 | Netflix um show movie is it what film excuse me uh to this uh upcoming Netflix film but it's going to be

02:21:50.200 | a an incredible film I know this because I've seen bits of it uh maybe just mention who Marcus and Amber

02:21:55.160 | Kaponar and what they've been doing and the film I do think this is something everyone should see

02:22:00.360 | I'm definitely going to see it and I'll just say that um I think their organization Veteran Solutions

02:22:07.320 | is one I've been paying attention to and trying to support in ways I can uh over the last gosh it's been

02:22:13.000 | three four years and um so maybe tell us about Marcus and Amber and the film

02:22:18.440 | so Marcus uh joined the SEAL teams right pre-911 married Amber had a baby right now in the SEAL

02:22:26.360 | teams got stationed on the east coast with me at SEAL team 10 and you could watch him change throughout

02:22:31.960 | the years like everybody else but because he's such a big polarizing figure he's hard to miss I mean he's

02:22:37.480 | probably six five two four he's a big guy and he was extremely intimidating but he always had a light

02:22:44.120 | in his eyes he always seemed like a dude you wanted to be around and after the conflicts into multiple

02:22:49.560 | deployments I mean you'd see him out in town and his eyes got jet black and he would be a guy that if you

02:22:55.240 | were walking on the street and you saw him come out just the way he looked at you you would cross the

02:22:59.240 | street and he became one of those guys I gave the analogy walking to the SPCA and you see that pit bull

02:23:05.480 | ears been shaved off there's scars all over his face you're not going to put your hand in that cage

02:23:09.480 | Marcus Capone was like that he leads the SEAL teams has a very rocky transition

02:23:15.160 | gets job in finance moves around and you hear it through the rumor mill about how bad he's doing

02:23:20.440 | drinking just not the person you wanted him to be and definitely not the transition you wanted for him

02:23:26.680 | and then it got so bad you know suicide was definitely on the table circling the drain drinking

02:23:32.920 | way too much just toxic in every way you can imagine and Amber being the angel that she is

02:23:39.320 | started to research different solutions he did MERT meditation yoga talk therapy drugs did everything you

02:23:47.320 | could and she found Ibogaine and 5-MEO DMT and convinced him to go down there and it was one of

02:23:53.400 | those things much like mine you're going to go do this treatment and this is our last attempt and if this

02:23:58.120 | doesn't work I'm leaving you and for a team wife to throw in the towel after the career is over

02:24:04.440 | that lets you know how bad it is because they have combated that entire thing I mean they were in the

02:24:09.480 | heart of NSW in the heart of the GWAT and buried more friends you ever count care to count and after all of

02:24:16.840 | that she's finally going to throw in the towel that's how bad he's gotten and you know you hear

02:24:22.840 | that he came back and you wouldn't even recognize him like you won't believe what Marcus Capone looks

02:24:27.720 | like and I hadn't seen him but you got to understand coming from the east coast and I'm an idealist like

02:24:32.920 | I'm a true believer and when you hear that Marcus left the east coast and went to the west coast and now

02:24:39.160 | he's doing yoga meditation and smoking toad venom you're like west coast typical I knew you'd turn him

02:24:45.960 | and then you see him you're like that's the best version of Marcus I've ever seen and he's not a

02:24:52.920 | pacifist he can still roll that dial all the way over but he has full control over it you know 20 years

02:24:58.920 | old flick the navy seal switch and just live that life until the fullest never had a balance point never

02:25:04.440 | needed one never tried to adopt one so during my whole transition I'll say when he got out

02:25:11.400 | they sit dormant on that medication for a while because it was so out there and you didn't want

02:25:17.320 | to shock the culture you didn't want to shock the community and it's taboo I mean doing psychedelics

02:25:21.480 | it's not a thing that navy seals do yeah and ibogaine is a 22-hour psychedelic it's very esoteric most

02:25:28.360 | people have heard of psilocybin or even lsd or mdma it's and dmt I mean it's a this is as far out there

02:25:35.800 | as you possibly can go I'm sure someone sitting there is like no there's some chemical made and you

02:25:39.960 | know but this it's extreme it is and just like the seal teams you do everything to the extreme and that's

02:25:45.880 | where you go theme there yeah and you know I was going through a similar thing but when they came out

02:25:52.200 | one of his very good friends Chad Wilkinson committed suicide and I think enough was enough

02:25:57.800 | and that was one of his best friends and it crippled him and when you see him get the news you can watch

02:26:03.320 | that this oh god I'm trying to cry you can watch that loss affect him in a way that nobody else will

02:26:10.280 | understand and he knew he was holding on to the secret like this saved my life and if I would have

02:26:15.160 | given that to him he'd still be here and I'd know it what am I going to do I got to start a 501c3 I

02:26:20.920 | got to start saving as many people as humanly possible and selfishly I'm going to save as many

02:26:25.240 | seals as humanly possible and once he saved one save two three four five army rangers green brace

02:26:32.520 | fighter pilots they all just start pouring in here it's the same trauma doesn't matter how you got it

02:26:37.640 | you're at the brink of it you're going to close this chapter out and this medicine is going to give

02:26:41.320 | you that breath it's going to give you that relief to not do it and they made this little infomercial

02:26:47.640 | that was on social media talking about psychedelics and I had heard about it and I kind of whitewashed it

02:26:52.280 | and my wife was at the same point she was getting ready to leave me and take the two kids and I can't do

02:26:56.840 | this anymore and we laid in bed one night and she watched it and she was crying and she leaned over

02:27:02.600 | and she made me watch it I started bawling because I could see the difference the last time I saw Marcus

02:27:07.400 | and this Marcus is very very different and she looked over and she goes if you love me you'll go

02:27:12.200 | I went I'll go do psychedelics with my friends in Mexico sure I don't I never thought it would do

02:27:19.320 | anything because I had messed up so much until that point

02:27:21.960 | all the pharmaceuticals all the mistakes I had made the infidelity everything had led me up to that point and

02:27:30.920 | I had that secret inside me and I did not have the strength to tell her I didn't want to break her

02:27:36.760 | heart about all the things I had messed up and for me if you think me going down to Mexico is going to

02:27:42.680 | save our marriage I will 100% do it but I never thought for a chance it would never and I went down there with

02:27:49.240 | a bunch of guys that were legends inside of the community and you know Ambio Trevor Jose Jonathan

02:27:57.480 | Brianna everybody Ambio Life Sciences they run the best facility I've ever been a part of in any facility

02:28:04.280 | that medicine is so strong and I think that's why guys get such relief it's the only thing stronger

02:28:10.440 | than your ego because you've turned yourself into this vessel you think represents the essence of what

02:28:15.640 | being a Navy SEAL is you're hard you're determined you'll never lose like you you'll sacrifice everything

02:28:21.320 | right now if the group asked you to do it but you won't do it for yourself you'll never put your

02:28:26.120 | individual needs above the needs of the group and this is one point where you have to you have to go for

02:28:31.400 | the good of the group I have to suck up my ego got to suck up my pride and I have to try to kill it

02:28:36.840 | right now and we went down there and took that medicine and

02:28:43.080 | I have a combatives instructor his name's Tom Kyer from Seahawk Tactical Group if you've ever watched

02:28:48.200 | uh the movie The Hunted with Denicio Del Toro the knife fighting that's what they do and they are the

02:28:52.520 | best in the world and Tom Kyer is a knowledge transfer specialist he's changed my life in mindset more

02:28:58.440 | than anybody else on the planet and he told me a quote the other day that it references this kind of

02:29:04.440 | and we were talking about experience he goes if you understand no explanation is needed if you don't

02:29:10.200 | understand no explanation is possible and that came from Dave Joyce another Seahawk disciple and

02:29:15.880 | it's the truest thing I've ever heard unless you've done Ibogaine unless you've done psychedelics in a

02:29:21.320 | therapeutic setting you'll have no idea how powerful it is and when I woke up that next day everything I

02:29:27.640 | had ever done negative positive erased everything negative every conversation every bad deed every time

02:29:34.520 | I've hurt anybody every time I've made my wife cry every time I've not been present was in the forefront of my mind

02:29:39.160 | and I felt absolutely terrible I felt like a monster for everything I had done every time

02:29:45.160 | I had not been present every time I had sacrificed them for this thing

02:29:48.440 | I didn't want to go home and at the same token it was the only time in my life I'd ever been homesick

02:29:55.160 | I wanted to teleport and go home and wrap my arms around those three but I was so embarrassed at

02:30:00.600 | everything that I had done there's no way I can do it I can't go home and break their heart and you have

02:30:06.280 | the gray day after you do Ibogaine I mean it feels like you get hit by a freight train just in your fields

02:30:13.080 | dudes are throwing up all day depending on how your experience is the next day you do five MEO DMT and

02:30:19.560 | that's the ego death you know comes the Sonoran desert toad they milk out the poison glands and

02:30:25.240 | that's essentially what you're smoking it's pretty intimidating looks like you're smoking crack rock and

02:30:30.760 | that experience when you smoke that it must be like either we're finding religion or what dying's like

02:30:39.400 | well you almost died with the electrocution and we had a uh very accomplished neuroscientist on the

02:30:46.040 | podcast uh Christophe Koch who talked about um he's been studying consciousness for a long time

02:30:50.760 | and he talked about his experiences on five MEO DMT uh total dissolution of self total dissolution of

02:30:57.240 | space and time but he described um that he that the his mind was still there but nothing else was there

02:31:05.960 | and again if someone hasn't done it I've never done it but if someone hasn't done I'm guessing that

02:31:09.480 | no description will will suffice I've heard it like from another team guy being described as being strapped

02:31:14.920 | to the shock wave of an atom bomb I feel like um you know I've I've heard a bunch of different

02:31:19.720 | descriptions sounds when you come out of that experience however how did that reframe the

02:31:27.960 | electrocution the loss of I mean we could spend three days talking about every single guy that you know

02:31:34.360 | that's been killed and still probably only uh touch on a small number of them sadly you know so how does all

02:31:43.080 | that get reframed coming out of an experience like that the biggest concern doing Ibogaine was that

02:31:49.880 | you were going to be stuck inside of your own thoughts everybody you had lost you were just going to relive

02:31:54.760 | it you were going to be in the back of that helicopter you were just going to have to relive that for 24

02:31:59.160 | straight hours and I will tell you that not a single person that I've ever done Ibogaine with has ever had any

02:32:05.960 | military experience it's always been your childhood and then reflection of what you've done to your wife and kids

02:32:11.880 | it gaps it so I've done Ibogaine four times I have never had a singular military experience ever nothing

02:32:18.680 | childhood childhood big time childhood and then in in the actual medicine it would allow me to relive

02:32:25.960 | past events with my father with my mother hard conversations you know blow ups arguments screaming

02:32:31.800 | things you had forgotten things I'd forgotten things that were never on my conscious mind and now I'm

02:32:36.840 | reliving them and then it would shift and it would be me doing that exact same thing to my wife to my

02:32:43.640 | kids and then it'll put you in their position so when I'm screaming I'm projecting just this hate and this

02:32:50.600 | venomous shooting out of me I can be that seven-year-old little girl and I can feel how frightened she is by

02:32:56.760 | what she's watching her father turn into so real empathy that is what it is you become so empathetic to

02:33:03.240 | everyone and everything and it's the forefront of your mind like I don't want to go home because

02:33:09.000 | now I know what I've done I can't mask it anymore there's no more compartmentalization I've done I've

02:33:14.200 | done all those things I've said that terrible stuff and I'm never gonna be able to re-earn my seat at the

02:33:19.560 | table and it's one of those weird predicaments where I want to go home but I don't because I don't want

02:33:24.920 | to face that I actually did and said that it's like out of every good thing I've ever done it all

02:33:30.600 | got erased on that moment the only thing we're going to focus on is all the bad stuff you've ever done and

02:33:35.080 | said so when we came into 5MEO I did six rounds of 5MEO my first time down there every single one is the

02:33:43.080 | most painful thing you've ever been a part of it feels um and Trevor says it beautifully down at AMBO he

02:33:49.400 | said whatever's gonna happen let it happen if you think you're gonna explode explode you think you're

02:33:54.680 | gonna die die you think you're gonna drown or blast off in the stratosphere do it don't try to control

02:34:00.840 | it that medicine will take you exactly where you need to go you just have to let it and every time

02:34:05.800 | i would i would start i would scream and then i would cry and convulse throw up and i'd wake up

02:34:13.320 | and i'd look around and he'd look at me again hit him again and i'd do it again and i'd do it again

02:34:19.880 | and it was the very last time i did 5MEO you understand i was super depressed and i was most

02:34:26.120 | certainly suicidal i did not want to come home and face reality and i took that last one and right before

02:34:32.040 | i did i can't remember if it was the the nurse or because we used to have team guys who would sit

02:34:36.680 | there and hold space for you not taking the medicine just they were there to basically safeguard

02:34:41.160 | the house so you could just focus on you because it's hard to be put under essentially anesthesia

02:34:46.360 | in a foreign country and you don't know what's going to happen to you so just comforting knowing

02:34:50.040 | there's team guys around you and he was either the nurse or one of the team guys goes you want to kill

02:34:56.200 | yourself right i said yeah and he goes then do it do with this right here and i changed my intention

02:35:01.640 | for the medicine and i told myself it was this pink toxin this purple toxin i'm going to inhale it i'm

02:35:07.720 | going to coat my entire body with this i'm going to kill myself right here so i don't have to go home

02:35:11.720 | and that changed the entire experience for me everything shrunk down jet black and a single white pixel

02:35:19.400 | showed up and it exploded and it looked like it was star trek taking off all the tracers and everything

02:35:25.560 | it felt like your sternum broke open and your soul left your body and it was the true ego death

02:35:30.040 | and it went from screaming thrashing to complete bliss and love and affection and empathy and compassion

02:35:39.400 | and everything and i woke up and i looked at him and i could not believe the way i instantly i mean

02:35:44.520 | the most sober you've ever been you're not on any medication not cannabis not not an adderwell nothing

02:35:50.440 | you can't be on any medication when you go down there so this is true sobriety at its finest and

02:35:54.760 | when you wake up it's exactly like the electrocution everything is more vibrant the table edges are slick

02:36:01.960 | and clean like i can feel the taste and the texture and i can feel the energy coming out of everybody

02:36:06.280 | and it's like i can tell her i can go home and i can confess everything right now

02:36:12.680 | because i understand that i have done more good than bad and she's going to see it she just has to

02:36:17.880 | see the new me and we went home and you know everything kind of unfolded and all my past

02:36:24.360 | indiscretions came to life and it was it was the darkest moment for me because i didn't think she was

02:36:30.440 | going to take me back and she ends up pulling my sunglasses off she pulls them off and looks me and

02:36:35.400 | essentially collapsed in my arms like i was back i'd been gone for 15 years and now i'm home

02:36:41.000 | and the greatest thing that's ever happened to me and if i wouldn't have gone down to mexico there was

02:36:45.240 | no talk therapy there was no meditation there was no cold plunge it was going to get me there

02:36:49.800 | it was something stronger than me and when you look back i've been building that physical vessel

02:36:55.400 | this mental resilient vessel this entire time so nothing could break me and i needed something

02:37:01.720 | stronger than that to break me and the moment it did my whole life changed everything changed and

02:37:07.960 | i really became an advocate for the medicine because i've been there i've been sitting in my

02:37:11.320 | guest room with that pistol in my lap staring around the ceiling wondering where my brain matter is going

02:37:17.320 | to go and what my wife's going to see and how she's going to have to clean it up and resell the house and

02:37:21.320 | just all the things i mean that's where you're at and that's where a lot of guys are and they don't

02:37:25.560 | believe they can get a breath of fresh air and that medicine will give it to you it is not a cure-all

02:37:29.880 | even you have to go back and restructure your entire life and cut out the toxicity and

02:37:34.200 | that was one of the most powerful things we did is i came back from that medicine i sit down the edge

02:37:39.560 | of that bed with my wife after we had gone through everything i had done and i went through my phone

02:37:44.520 | and we blocked and deleted about 150 people out of my life best thing i ever did like you're never

02:37:51.320 | coming back in here i've been trying to foster and save that relationship the better part of a decade

02:37:57.960 | i'm not doing it anymore you're robbing bandwidth and you're robbing the little time i have left on

02:38:02.600 | this planet that i'm going to try to devote to my family because i have to re-earn this seat at the

02:38:06.520 | table every single day and it gave me the ability to do that and i came home started preaching about the

02:38:13.640 | medicine and then as i started to tell guys you'd see guys that were interested and they were like

02:38:18.280 | well if it worked for him because i'm a true believer i'm devout and they're like if it worked

02:38:24.440 | for him it'll work for me but they're scared to go so i was probably home maybe a month or two i went

02:38:29.480 | right back down and i essentially hosted one i'm cooking breakfast for the boys i'm cleaning snot

02:38:35.000 | off of them i'm doing the whole thing just trying to push them and slow but surely you start saving

02:38:39.720 | guys 10 guys at a time over and over and you know that's really all because of marcus and amber if they

02:38:45.400 | would not have made that little infomercial airing out all their dirty laundry and how open and

02:38:51.160 | transparent he was like that is not the navy seal way that is not how you're supposed to do it and

02:38:55.480 | when he did it it was so empowering to me i mean i looked up to him i mean he was on his second

02:39:00.360 | deployment when i came in and you know marcus is larger than life to me so when you see that openness

02:39:05.720 | that transparency i can do that i can do that too and if i do that some kid going through the exact same

02:39:13.080 | thing as me that's stuck on that island alone will see me and go if he can do it i can do it

02:39:17.400 | you got to want to change and you have to put steps in in place to where you can live at a full

02:39:22.760 | value the morning routine i don't break it because i know what happens if i don't have it the worst i've

02:39:28.280 | ever been i wasn't living that morning routine i was still working out but it was chaotic at best

02:39:33.720 | right like my range wasn't there my combatives wasn't there i slowly let it drift away to where i was

02:39:39.720 | a shell of myself and once i got that breath of fresh air i am never going back i mean i just came

02:39:45.080 | back on saturday i went back down again took down a bunch of veterans a bunch of civilians that were

02:39:50.200 | down there and it's so interesting to see because you have fighter pilots that are down there you have

02:39:56.920 | normal housewives that have drinking problems toxic marriage sexual abuse all this different stuff and

02:40:01.960 | everybody's ended up the exact same spot we've tried everything we tried the drugs we tried the talk

02:40:07.480 | therapy the cold plunges the saunas all that and it's helping but it's not getting us over the goal

02:40:13.400 | line and when those people wake up the very next day they are at total rock bottom and when they come

02:40:19.560 | out of that 5 meo dmt they their feet don't hit the ground for months you are on cloud nine and you

02:40:25.400 | cannot believe how good you feel i just want the world to be able to experience that it doesn't matter

02:40:30.600 | what trauma you have going on it's not a navy seal medicine or a medicine for special operation this is a

02:40:35.160 | medicine to save humanity and if you were at the bottom of the barrel right now they'll save you

02:40:39.960 | i mean i went on 60 pills a day i'm not on anything not a single pain med i mean i've got more screws

02:40:46.040 | me than home depot and i feel like a million bucks but you know for me my family deserved it and if i

02:40:53.080 | have to go down there and go through all that trauma over a five-day period to give them a better version

02:40:58.120 | of myself i'll do it every single time that juice is so worth the squeeze but it's scary man it is

02:41:04.760 | because you're afraid and when i talk to guys they're so afraid they're going to come out of it and be a

02:41:09.880 | pacifist they're afraid they're going to lose the edge and like well what if you did that medicine while

02:41:15.080 | you were in the teams could you still do that job 100 i just wouldn't have drug him home with me i could

02:41:21.400 | have done that job and empowered it off and i could have done my same routine now and i could have went home

02:41:25.080 | been a full-time husband a full-time father i could still compartmentalize it when i went to

02:41:29.320 | work and i could just focus on work because i'm running on dials and not switches you can't just

02:41:33.720 | turn it on shut it off you can't you got to be able to back it off slowly that's why i use that drive

02:41:38.600 | into work every day i'm not thinking about my family in three two one all i'm thinking about is a lift

02:41:45.000 | because that's the only priority i have once a lift is done what's the piece of content we're shooting

02:41:49.640 | what's the training course we're doing who do i need to be when i walk through that threshold

02:41:53.640 | and that medicine really gave me the ability to navigate between those spaces

02:41:57.000 | better than anything else i've ever found and i'm so thankful for it i know it sounds hokey and

02:42:03.320 | i am not that guy you know yoga and you know crystal i'm not that dude and it's very foo-foo a lot of it

02:42:11.080 | is and a lot of people practicing that stuff they push it so far out and left that you think that

02:42:16.040 | you end up like one of the lost boys running around the rainforest with feathers hanging out

02:42:20.200 | of your hair it's it's not like that it's not like that at all it's an amazing facility it's

02:42:26.200 | an amazing program and i'm just so thankful that they had they had the ability to share that message

02:42:33.480 | if they wouldn't have we'd be in the exact same position i think they've put in i think three or

02:42:38.920 | four thousand people through that medicine in the last i think three years they're absolutely saving

02:42:43.880 | people's lives it's uh been remarkable to see the growth of veteran solutions again i have no formal

02:42:49.400 | affiliation it's just something that i observed and i i really uh respect and my colleague who's been a

02:42:54.520 | guest on this podcast and dr nolan williams he's a triple board certified physician he's my colleague at

02:42:59.720 | stanford and um you know a couple couple of reflections that i think uh perhaps are also

02:43:05.400 | important for people listening to to hear because um you said go down there it's done in mexico uh

02:43:10.920 | because it's still not legalized in the united states um it requires supervision uh this is very different

02:43:19.080 | even than psilocybin mdma lsd that there's there's really no recreational use of of these things uh that

02:43:26.680 | is reasonable or safe so just i'm not saying that just to protect myself i'm saying that to protect

02:43:31.480 | people listening um that said you know nolan and i have talked a lot about this he's the one scanning

02:43:37.480 | guys that go down there and come back and um i think it's fair to say that pretty much every

02:43:46.280 | positive shift whether it's an improvement or a cure from a mental health issue is brain plasticity

02:43:55.880 | something gets rewired and these are tools to enable brain plasticity i think it's helpful

02:44:00.680 | perhaps for people to hear it that way because psychedelic sounds like um tie-dye sounds like

02:44:05.720 | kaleidoscope sounds like magic carpet sounds like the 60s sounds like people staring at the sun burning

02:44:09.640 | their eyes out and then talking about how they've seen god and everyone else needs to have the same

02:44:14.040 | experience summer love dirty feet and all that okay um it is amazing to me that the veterans community

02:44:22.120 | and a bipartisan effort i will say this is one of the few truly bipartisan efforts out there

02:44:28.120 | everything's so polarized but former governor rick perry of texas who is self-described knuckle drug

02:44:33.880 | dragging republican he said that i'm not saying that about him he says it every time has fully embraced

02:44:39.240 | ibogaine and what heart medicine is sometimes called the mdma therapies as well and it's been really working

02:44:45.080 | with people on the democratic side of the aisle to try and uh get fda approval for this stuff in the

02:44:51.640 | united states first for the treatment of veterans and other people with substance use and and and

02:44:55.880 | severe trauma issues first and then it will be explored how this could wick out into the broader

02:45:01.000 | population but i just think of them as incredibly powerful tools for brain plasticity um and then maybe

02:45:08.200 | that just kind of softens for people in their minds a little bit of what just how wild and crazy it is

02:45:14.200 | i mean the experiences are extreme as you said it's it's challenging to be in the ibogaine heard that from

02:45:19.800 | everyone who's done it uh i haven't yet done ibogaine at some point i will but i've certainly um done

02:45:25.240 | therapeutic uh sessions with mdma therapeutic and a high dose psilocybin and it can be terrifying and you

02:45:32.280 | need to be someone there to help guide you through it at times but i'm so happy that marcus and amber

02:45:37.720 | undertook this project that you joined up with that project and the netflix movie we'll provide a link

02:45:44.040 | to it if it's out otherwise we'll just cue people to the fact that they should definitely watch this

02:45:47.880 | it's extremely compelling um an important story for people to hear i can't help but mention just because

02:45:53.960 | um i've had the the great uh uh experience of of being able to interact with some people around this and

02:46:02.120 | the effort is so wholehearted and is so um deeply rooted in trying to help people

02:46:07.720 | and i think that's really important for people to hear too because anytime there's a

02:46:12.280 | business association with things people all start to color that it's just there's just so much pure

02:46:17.000 | intent in all of this i also have gotten to know sarah wilkinson a little bit um she's amazing she's

02:46:22.840 | amazing chad's chad's wife um first through veteran solutions and um you know she she's an amazing

02:46:30.520 | woman and you know and and i think it's been challenging to see all these guys that he was

02:46:35.000 | friends with get better right and it's it's so tragic that someone has to take their own life for

02:46:40.840 | for things like this to eventually get stimulated but the amount of good that veteran solutions is

02:46:46.840 | catalyzing is really spectacular and so i'm glad we're taking some time to talk about it i think

02:46:51.240 | it's been discussed on other podcasts i think this movement's just going to grow i think it's broken

02:46:54.840 | through now and hopefully this will continue to help it break through when the whole thing first

02:46:59.480 | started john shank and bonnie cohen reached out about doing the film in ways in war and they

02:47:05.560 | actually kind of tricked me to be a part of it they told me that marcus and amber were spearheading

02:47:10.040 | this project so i was like if marcus and amber and i'm in i owe them anyway they save me i'm into it

02:47:15.640 | that wasn't really the case they spearheaded me i'm on board and then they convinced marcus and amber

02:47:21.240 | to join on board now it's essentially his whole story unfiltered unbiased my whole story and then

02:47:26.680 | us going back for my buddy maddie and how all our lives are entangled in teams and just all the trauma

02:47:32.440 | we all share and how we're all getting through it but you know it kills addiction in one shot which is

02:47:37.800 | crazy people are addicted to heroin like i dipped copenhagen for 17 years never wanted to quit i

02:47:43.320 | woke up the very next morning from ibogaine and never had a dip so it's so wild and i want to dip

02:47:48.760 | like i miss it and as soon as i smell it i can't do it it's like i didn't drink coffee for six months

02:47:54.040 | it's like i want to drink coffee and then i have no desire my energy levels are through the roof like

02:48:00.200 | everything is better i kind of just want to be normal again it's like slow but surely introduce coffee and

02:48:07.160 | whatever else but you have no addictions and i was at the bottom of the barrel i mean i was taking

02:48:12.760 | extreme doses of gabapentin tramadol toradol everything else and you know tramadol is not

02:48:19.400 | habit forming yeah take it for 12 years and tell me it's not like it most certainly is and to be able

02:48:25.080 | to whitewash all of that gone in one shot i mean the doctors i was never getting off those meds never

02:48:31.160 | like if you want to function in society you have to take these medications for the rest of your life

02:48:35.320 | and i was fine with it i'm totally good and then on the back side you see that it doesn't

02:48:40.440 | matter if i was drinking a 12 pack a day or if i was just popping these 60 pills i was under the

02:48:44.520 | influence of something all day every day for 15 years that's not how i want to be it's not how i

02:48:50.280 | want to live my next 40 years it's like it's really put me in a position where i'm so hyper aware

02:48:54.920 | everything that i input and then everything that i output but it it gives you that it gives you complete

02:49:01.240 | control and i think some guys just need to they need that breath of fresh air they need that instant

02:49:05.960 | relief to go okay okay i could live with this now and if you just keep living that positive lifestyle

02:49:14.280 | it'll become your new norm right but you have to really want to change for me i've never found

02:49:20.600 | anything that powerful in my life and because a lot of guys are scared they're scared about going down to

02:49:25.240 | mexico and whatever it is there's a 25 person staff in that house with you three paramedics three rns

02:49:32.200 | they got cardiac cert they have everybody in there the chefs in there are amazing michelin star quality

02:49:38.520 | the food you eat and there's indoor swimming pools there's a reiki lady in there that will crack your

02:49:43.640 | soul open in 15 seconds flat i never thought reiki was a thing until she puts her hands on you

02:49:49.800 | the massage therapy the breath work i mean it's a whole holistic approach but

02:49:53.800 | because you've never just you've never allowed yourself to be vulnerable in that position and once

02:50:00.840 | you are they just start to unravel you so fast and that medicine's really the catalyst for the whole

02:50:05.480 | thing and once you see what you can be like i can be the same guy that i was now i can just control

02:50:11.560 | them i think that's what a lot of guys lose when they leave the teams like well i built myself into this

02:50:16.840 | because of that well i can't take that with me so what do i do with this my wife doesn't want this

02:50:22.920 | i don't want this my kids can't build a relationship with this what am i supposed to do now and that's

02:50:27.960 | when people make those rash decisions they don't know where to go and i think that's what's so powerful

02:50:32.680 | the medicine is that's the only thing stronger than the ego you've built up purpose built is that

02:50:38.280 | medicine yeah it changed my life for sure it's been great where my mind goes is you know um

02:50:44.840 | people who aren't in the military um these days are also really struggling also i didn't point out um

02:50:53.640 | and you know the united states in particular like we're we're at a pretty dark moment it took me a while

02:51:02.760 | to actually like really internalize that i was like man like like it like last week the charlie kirk thing

02:51:09.400 | that or same week or just a few days before that woman getting killed on the light rail um you got

02:51:16.520 | conflicts all over the world you've got a ton of domestic unrest and people have come on this podcast

02:51:21.560 | and argued that you know in the last century there were a lot more deaths due to war and this kind of thing

02:51:25.080 | and you know statistics and is are one thing and they're important but um seeing people murdered

02:51:33.160 | in cold blood in either very deliberate or in what seemed like almost kind of like random like okay

02:51:40.040 | there was a person there so he killed he killed her if it was someone else they might kill maybe not

02:51:43.800 | who knows what the motivation was you know and and to think about how

02:51:50.840 | traumas like that just the pain of the world can be lifted it's hard to imagine it happening in mass

02:51:58.280 | right it's hard and yet i think we all deep down know that that has to happen and i think an attention

02:52:04.520 | to what young people are exposed to and trying to save them is you know the best thing about our species

02:52:09.880 | right protect our young make them put them into a world that's better than than the way we found it and

02:52:18.200 | at the same time i i what you're describing is it's kind of a it sounds like the the medicine for lack

02:52:24.520 | of a better way to put it at that the society and like this like kind of global consciousness really

02:52:29.560 | needs i i've said before and i'll say it again i i think if you look at humans across history we've

02:52:37.720 | always had conflict we've always created trauma for each other we've not ever really been perfect

02:52:44.680 | ever we're not perfect we're flawed we're all flawed i think that's that's important to remember and that

02:52:50.040 | things will improve over time perhaps this can be like a sawtooth up and to the right kind of graph

02:52:55.320 | but you wonder if there was going to be a massive shift in collective consciousness and people were

02:52:59.800 | going to really heal their traumas and really start to see other people differently um now that's going

02:53:06.120 | to require some very powerful tools and i just can't help but think there is no magic solution

02:53:13.800 | people have to want to change and on and on but um the ibogaine sounds like a special tool different

02:53:20.120 | than the other psychedelics because of the amount of attention and detail that's required to keep people

02:53:25.240 | safe while they do it you need you know heart monitoring and it's a medical treatment in many ways i

02:53:30.280 | think we should probably talk about it and frame it that way going forward it's a medical treatment

02:53:35.400 | the word psychedelic is a very loaded phrase and it's one of the things that i worry about in terms

02:53:40.600 | of trying to get ibogaine and other treatments implemented more broadly in the same way that when

02:53:45.800 | about 10 years ago we would think about breath work and i want to study respiration physiology in

02:53:50.680 | my lab calling it respiration physiology you know we have a clinical trial that we publish on that if we

02:53:55.320 | called it breath work it's kind of wacky you call it respiration physiology which is also true people

02:54:01.320 | are more willing to embrace it so these to me are neuroplasticity tools to help rewire one's brain for

02:54:07.720 | the better and i am very hopeful that what you've done i mean again thank you you know it's like you

02:54:13.800 | know we always thank people for their service but here now you've got people that that served who are now

02:54:17.960 | going into this highly novel at least for americans a treatment to help cure trauma and addiction and

02:54:27.160 | you guys are first in and marcus and amber are you know early and first in and um and people will argue

02:54:34.280 | you know these things have been around for a long time in native cultures in the and in jungles and i

02:54:38.440 | will say just like meditation just like yoga nidra just like hydrotherapy light therapy it's exactly because

02:54:45.080 | it's been shrouded in complicated language that it isn't more broadly implemented and i'm willing to

02:54:51.080 | say that a thousand times over if if we truly care about people we don't care what it's called sure we

02:54:56.040 | want to uh pay respect to people that developed these things long ago but enough is enough like it's not

02:55:01.880 | about getting credit it's about getting it out there and you're exactly right when you say psychedelics

02:55:07.560 | everybody automatically labels it a certain way and one of the best quotes i've ever heard is we gave uh

02:55:13.240 | we gave ibogaine to my buddy maddie and he woke up next day and he goes there is nothing recreational

02:55:19.480 | about that nope there isn't terrifying it can be some people wake up and it's bliss the entire time and

02:55:27.080 | i'm so glad you have that

02:55:28.360 | but if you were laying in stanford right now and you gave me ibogaine hooked up the heart rate monitors you

02:55:35.960 | were running a study they wouldn't bat an eye like oh yeah it's the same thing you have the same

02:55:41.800 | people around you they're taking detailed notes everything you say i mean this you might as well

02:55:47.640 | be at a clinic you are it's in a beautiful house beautiful staff and the entire thing but that's what

02:55:52.920 | it is this is a treatment this is not a bunch of guys eating smoking doing whatever peyote in the middle

02:55:58.920 | of desert it's not what that is this is a very structured thing because you have some serious trauma

02:56:03.800 | i think a lot of people label it like oh this is for guys with ptsd i didn't go down there for ptsd

02:56:08.760 | i went down there for whatever had i've turned into i was trying to get rid of that and i'll tell you

02:56:14.520 | before nothing in my military career has ever come up none of it that's not what haunts me it's not what

02:56:21.160 | plagues me at night it's not what keeps me up till two three in the morning that's not that

02:56:24.920 | and i've resolved all the things that was troubling me and it's because that medicine's so powerful i

02:56:30.040 | just hope more people will will get a hold of it i think if we had the right people putting out the

02:56:35.320 | right message on the right platforms people they get a hold of it so many people want to hear hate

02:56:40.040 | speech like negativity goes a lot more than positivity a lot of times because people hang on to that

02:56:46.040 | it's like you know i read something they were talking about the um the best public speakers in

02:56:50.520 | human history and hitler was in the top five and they're like well just imagine if he was preaching

02:56:55.480 | positivity he could have turned that entire country and really given them something to hang on to he

02:57:01.880 | just didn't and you wish that he would have been preaching the gospel you wish he would have been

02:57:06.520 | preaching love and kindness for all of humanity and then what would have happened in world war ii

02:57:11.720 | wouldn't happen yeah humans have an appetite for first for that uh anger there's a famous experiment

02:57:19.560 | by a guy named robert heath he was a neuroscientist and neurosurgeon and um very controversial guy for

02:57:26.040 | all sorts of reasons but he ran an experiment on humans where he was in the brain stimulating different

02:57:30.920 | brain areas and um uh he would implant little electrodes in humans and um people had the opportunity

02:57:39.640 | then later to stimulate different brain areas and different brain areas when stimulated evoke different

02:57:45.240 | subjective experiences so they'd hit a lever they'd feel kind of drunk hit another lever they'd feel

02:57:49.800 | sexual arousal hit another lever they'd feel laughter others they'd feel less well do you know the number

02:57:55.400 | one brain area there weren't many subjects in this is a difficult experiment to do but the number one brain

02:58:00.280 | area that these subjects all wanted to hit again and again and again was an area of the what's called the

02:58:06.920 | midline thalamus that evokes feelings of mild anger and frustration it's linked to the dopamine system

02:58:15.080 | and it's associated with drive and it's what we learn if we're adaptive to funnel into creating things

02:58:22.840 | building things doing things but it's very clear that we are hardwired to be pulled into environments and

02:58:32.040 | discourses that evoke anger i feel like anger and numbing out are the two most dangerous things and

02:58:40.600 | look i love social media teach on social media but being online makes it very easy to feel anger

02:58:47.400 | and to numb out and you know it's the ultimate drug really to offer that in my opinion and then there's this

02:58:57.160 | other lane of life right which is harder to access um where the real richness is where the real stuff is

02:59:04.520 | where real meaning comes from where time doesn't just disappear and where you build things that are

02:59:08.600 | lasting and that with if i die in in 10 seconds i'll know that i'd spent some time in that lane or

02:59:15.800 | enough to know that like that's where the really good stuff is and it's a bit more difficult or a lot more

02:59:20.040 | difficult to access but that's real life and the rest is is uh is a game that's being played on us

02:59:27.240 | that takes advantage of some hard wiring that i wish didn't exist but exists in all of us i think if we

02:59:32.600 | knew that that existed in all of us just like we have an appetite for sugar you know it's hardwired uh

02:59:38.600 | that we would make better choices so i'm i'm so glad that you've done ibogaine and dmt in that setting

02:59:47.400 | and that you guys are getting the message out there and i don't know what the broader implementation

02:59:51.000 | looks like but i like to think that with collaboration with nolan what's having veteran solutions

02:59:56.360 | ambio and other clinics like it and really good for once really good politicians on both sides of the aisle

03:00:04.680 | arguing for this i'm hopeful i i fully support my tax dollars going to the expansion of this i really do

03:00:12.280 | they've been spending a lot of time in the beltway getting funding you know clinical trials research

03:00:17.080 | doing the entire thing and they've got a whole coalition now navy seal foundation stepped up

03:00:21.160 | the green breeze foundation i think uh might be the recon foundation and wounded warrior project they all

03:00:28.360 | came go coalition they're all going to get behind this and i'll kind of push the exact same message

03:00:32.120 | let's get the funding let's get the research let's prove that it works and hopefully bring it to the

03:00:37.000 | u.s like we have to start with the veterans because smaller population less than one percent of the

03:00:41.320 | population let's target them let's get first responders and let's open this thing up and you

03:00:45.880 | know marcus is doing a lot to really beat that war drum and i'm just so thankful one of the things he

03:00:50.200 | said we went down there because you don't realize how

03:00:52.120 | how palpable toxicity is like you want to be hateful sometimes and they're like hurt people hurt people

03:01:01.720 | you've been hurt and now you want someone else to feel that exact same thing so when you see something

03:01:06.600 | hateful on social media what's the first thing you do you go to the comment section you read yep i feel

03:01:11.400 | that too i like that comment i'm a comment underneath it yep yep you just start to project that hate over and

03:01:16.840 | over and over again if i say look at it i'm not gonna get involved in that actually i'm just gonna

03:01:21.640 | unfollow this person because every time i see you're saying something hateful slow but sure it's getting

03:01:25.960 | out that toxicity it allows the the best form of you to continue to go forward but yeah i mean you have to

03:01:31.880 | you got to protect your peace you got to surround yourself with positive people that are better than

03:01:35.560 | you that want to try to drag you up that hill and thank god for people like that because man i mean if

03:01:41.400 | you haven't been there if you have not been that only guy on the island alone just because i mean i

03:01:47.400 | often say i was the first guy in the seal teams to suffer depression anxiety and suicide ideation

03:01:52.520 | because i'd never heard of it before right so i'm in my living room just my wife's not there and we

03:01:59.080 | talk about dogs one of the number one reasons i never did it was when i would get to the point where

03:02:03.960 | i had made up my mind that dog would walk in that room and drop his head on my lap and look at me

03:02:08.360 | oh not today i'd get up and i'd go on a walk with the dog is your japanese mastiff yeah amazing breed

03:02:17.800 | folks i just learned about it today i absolutely want one of these what is the proper name tosa inu

03:02:23.160 | they are beautiful beasts they're amazing yeah so my wife's uh first husband danny they had a japanese

03:02:29.720 | mastiff and an old english bulldog so when he passed i met patsy three years later those are the dogs i

03:02:34.760 | inherited and you couldn't pick a better dog breed it was the most beautiful dog i've ever seen in my

03:02:40.440 | look a bangled tiger 200 pounds but a gentle giant but one of those things when you walk in the house

03:02:47.080 | and that thing sees you your heart just goes to 180 you're like i'm so happy to be home and see this dog

03:02:51.880 | right now it pulls you out of a depression i mean therapy dogs are a real thing and you know shout out to

03:02:57.000 | the red cross i i didn't know what the red cross did in you know 2020 like what do you do they bring

03:03:02.440 | in dogs on the hospital beds what they do for sure they did it for me and there's nothing like laying in

03:03:06.840 | a hospital bed you've been throwing up for a week and you're just you don't have your cell phone you

03:03:11.400 | can't call your wife and they bring in some giant saint bernard that jumps into bed with you and it is

03:03:15.960 | heaven on earth it is it's like that little bit gets you through the hump what do you bring me

03:03:22.760 | tomorrow like we get some cocker spaniel's like bring him in here i don't care what it is now it's

03:03:27.080 | like i just need i need a dog i need something that makes me feel better and yeah dogs are amazing they

03:03:33.080 | are an old english bulldog just like costello i mean that's that's those are my people my my creatures

03:03:38.760 | um i just might get a japanese mastiff um i'd like to talk about your standards i've heard you say

03:03:49.640 | worst situation is being a big fish in a small pond not many people say that let's talk about standards

03:03:56.440 | uh first starting with physical standards and let's actually get back to the program just briefly um you

03:04:01.480 | mentioned the five day a week program a little while ago i saw you put out um it's a fit test basically

03:04:07.800 | that's designed to be done anytime no preparation after you've done uh it's gbrs yep is your program

03:04:15.320 | i'm going to sign up for this this is not a promotional i'm just going to do it i'm going to pay

03:04:18.760 | full price i'm going to insist on paying full price like everyone else and doing this because

03:04:22.280 | i turned 50 in about a week and i want to stay fit going forward and um let me see if i got this

03:04:27.640 | right it involves a broad jump some pull-ups and push-ups would you walk us through what the test

03:04:32.760 | is and what the program actually provides um because i know a lot of people listening are already

03:04:41.240 | exercising and are attached to their program right guys are like they want more lower bicep rear delt

03:04:46.760 | stuff but this is different this is about all around functional fitness at any age men or women so

03:04:53.480 | what's the program so we started that program is like a recovery from injury right i'm just trying

03:05:00.200 | to maintain a high standard i've i've had a high standard physically since i was 17 right i've gotten

03:05:05.640 | better i've had really really high points and low points coming back from injury but i wanted something

03:05:10.360 | to be able to maintain a high standard and we got out you start working with swat teams seal teams every

03:05:16.040 | team in between firemen and everybody else and it's such a physical component that cannot be ignored

03:05:22.680 | but so many people in the 80s 90s even early 2000s like good is good enough like you ever seen the show

03:05:29.080 | rescue me dennis leary and a bunch of guys a bunch of firemen in new york and they had the fat firemen

03:05:36.600 | big handlebar mustaches you had the young guys and you see all this stuff and now if you look at the

03:05:41.480 | majority of firemen they look like professional they look like crossfitters like they're in shape

03:05:46.200 | because they understand we've got so much data on human potential and how to get there nutrition

03:05:51.480 | sleep recovery training protocols and they realize that you are your first lifeline your physical

03:05:58.280 | vessel is the thing you can get in the airport through tsa i can get in the white house i don't

03:06:03.080 | need to bring any tools with me this is a really really good tool and it's always with me if i

03:06:07.000 | keep it at a high level so we're going through here and you know the majority of the military

03:06:12.520 | screen test and swat teams it's all body weight push-ups pull-ups running seal teams and special

03:06:17.640 | operations swim test and that's about it you'll do o courses and some other stuff but the majority of

03:06:23.640 | it that's just what it is well it's not reality you don't walk around there's no way in you don't walk

03:06:29.480 | in in a pair of board shorts and weigh in you're wearing body armor helmets you know pano night vision

03:06:36.680 | it's a lot of heavy stuff you have to carry so you're always under an extreme load

03:06:40.040 | but the physical standard was so high as a tier one level i mean the in the entire force is but you

03:06:47.640 | have to maintain such a high level because everybody else is around you so when i'm looking at all these

03:06:52.440 | guys swat team guys if you had a physical standard every swat team in the country held if the lowest

03:06:59.880 | dude on team could pass this test the top guys are at the super elite level you're so well-rounded

03:07:06.360 | you can solve anything physically and that's one of the big things in the military is you

03:07:10.360 | never want to have to say no can you 25 guys get up over this mountain and assault that target by zero

03:07:15.800 | four in the morning if if it can be done physically we can do it no matter what we'll find a way move

03:07:21.640 | heaven and earth we'll get it done it's really really hard to make a good decision on the back

03:07:25.640 | side when you are so physically taxed because no decision you're ever going to make is without

03:07:30.920 | being under extreme duress if we elevate the physical standard we can make better

03:07:35.000 | mental i mean we can we can make better decisions through mental clarity when we're not just sucking

03:07:41.000 | wind also true very much so in civilian life right everywhere like emts i mean business entrepreneurship

03:07:47.960 | school teachers everybody right if you're not physically labored you can make better decisions so that's the whole

03:07:52.920 | goal i don't care if you're a 45 year old fireman that has an extra 35 pounds of weight on you or if

03:07:58.040 | you're a 19 year old kid who's in their prime if you have to run up 10 flights of stairs carrying that hose

03:08:02.600 | when you get to the top execute a good decision the guy whose heart rate isn't 180 is going to make

03:08:08.600 | a better decision they just are and we all know it so let's set a standard that you know i don't

03:08:14.200 | care if it's wednesday if it's two o'clock in the morning on a saturday if you spring out of bed

03:08:17.320 | and take this test you should be able to pass it no matter what now what level are we trying to

03:08:21.880 | adhere as high as humanly possible if i hit the elite standard right now in three weeks i should

03:08:27.400 | hit the elite again if i start to taper off why lack of sleep poor nutrition you know just really crazy

03:08:34.840 | op tempo i'm in the red the whole time okay maybe i need to take a couple days off get back on my training

03:08:39.480 | plan to maintain that high level but we do a broad jump so power output on the floor in a dynamic

03:08:45.960 | fashion landing proprioception so just have people stand on a line jump as far forward as they possibly

03:08:52.280 | can and this the the lowest standard is your height your height right so if i'm six foot tall i should

03:08:58.600 | be able to broad jump past six foot what's the next level up from that one foot one foot past your height

03:09:05.320 | yep so seven feet would be you know middle of the road okay if i can jump eight feet that's really

03:09:10.120 | the standard like for me i'm trying to get to a ten foot broad jump like i want to hit ten feet and i

03:09:15.400 | want to hold that as long as humanly possible and you can swing your arms no running start but you just

03:09:19.800 | swing your arms forward jump swing your arms jump feet low to the ground dynamic fashion and i always

03:09:24.760 | tell the guys in reality you are not going to have time to negotiate the obstacle you are not going to

03:09:30.760 | be able to run up to that ditch and stop and look at and go okay i need to get i need to back it up a

03:09:36.200 | little bit you're going to have to go as a cop chasing this kid down this city park you're going to

03:09:40.760 | have to scale that eight foot fence right now not look for a step stool not oh what can i climb on to

03:09:46.920 | get over this you're going to have to hit that thing at full value and go up and over it you should

03:09:50.360 | have the physical ability to do that so we have a broad jump and a lot of people vernon has a really good

03:09:57.480 | thing about monkey bars like everybody was swinging on monkey bars when you're a kid in a certain point

03:10:02.360 | in adulthood you stop doing it but you'll look at your kid nine years old swing a monkey bar she's

03:10:07.080 | like oh you're doing it wrong do it this way i'll jump up there and show them if you haven't been on

03:10:11.640 | monkey bars in 40 years expect to be humbled really really fast it's like you lose it use it or lose it

03:10:18.520 | it's going to happen so we're always trying to test ourselves like what is going to make me a dynamic

03:10:23.160 | participant throughout the whole process broad jumps a really good expression we have that in the seal

03:10:29.080 | teams we had a legacy test it was a bodyweight bench press nfl it's 225 bench press it's not fair for me

03:10:35.480 | to give 225 to a kid that weighs 160 pounds or 140 pound woman or 50 pound one yeah your body weight

03:10:41.320 | though and we go minimum standard 10 repetitions 10 repetition single set with your body weight that's

03:10:46.840 | minimum standard 15 next level up 20 plus is elite if you can bench press your body weight 20 times you

03:10:53.000 | are in top tier this is full range of movement bar touches your chest your pressure not all the way to

03:10:57.720 | a straight arm all the way 20 reps on that pull-ups with no weight and we do that because so many guys

03:11:03.400 | have so many injuries so many shoulder injuries and if your technique isn't there and you're dropping out

03:11:08.600 | of the hole i don't want you to dislocate and jam up a shoulder so pull-ups are in there we have a

03:11:14.200 | farmer's carry how many pull-ups sorry the uh 10 15 and 20 plus so 10 with your body weight 15 is the

03:11:19.720 | next level up and then 20 20 plus is elite okay and in a perfect word we do it with weight in the seal

03:11:25.800 | teams we add weight to it but for everybody if you can do 20 straight dead hang pull-ups you're at the

03:11:30.680 | top physical game this lesson no kip uh chin clears the bar chin clears the bar okay we do a farmer's

03:11:37.960 | carry so with your body weight so if you weigh 200 pounds you have a 100 pound dumbbell in each hand

03:11:42.360 | you get up and you walk it as far as you can i'd have to look at the exact feet measurement but i think

03:11:47.000 | the elite is almost 300 feet 275 and 250 somewhere around there and it's not an easy thing to do but we

03:11:54.840 | work so much grip for the pull-ups and everything else like grip matters we say that a lot it's very

03:12:01.160 | hard to climb up a caving ladder on the side of a cruise ship when it's underway your grip's the

03:12:05.320 | only thing that's going to get you there so we really put a lot of focus on gripping firemen needed

03:12:08.840 | cops needed if i'm trying to if i'm trying to manipulate a full-grown man through time and space

03:12:13.480 | against their will your grip is a key factor in that you ask anybody who grapples when somebody who

03:12:19.800 | grapples and you know how to use it grabs a hold of you you instantly know you're in a world of hurt

03:12:24.760 | you grab some ncaa wrestler and he grabs a hold of you the first thing you feel is his hands oh no

03:12:29.560 | i'm just grabbing hold of a grizzly bear right now this is not going to be good we need everybody to

03:12:34.440 | have that same strength also someone's got to open the pickle jar exactly gotta be able to open the

03:12:39.000 | pickle jar but when you pick up that weight everything's in your core's in there your posture

03:12:42.840 | really matters upright i've got to be able to control my breathing ocular focus where am i looking

03:12:47.960 | and then how long can i hold on to this i've got to keep a rigid frame i can't lean over and let

03:12:51.880 | it take control of me i can't lean back i've got to be present throughout the entire movement

03:12:55.400 | and then just push so we've got that we've got a trap bar deadlift we use the trap bar because the

03:13:01.080 | majority of guys in that career they've already got some injuries stacked up and we actually put 45

03:13:06.280 | pound bumper plates to pull from a little bit of an elevation because i've got a really long torso and

03:13:11.080 | the big thing we push in that program is we want you to be able to train 52 weeks out of the year

03:13:17.400 | there is no off season for a fireman there's no off season for a swat team guy there's no off season

03:13:21.640 | for an army ranger and if you get jammed up in the gym and i've done it really bad the mission doesn't

03:13:27.080 | care you have to go anyway and now you're not at 100 and the entire patrol in you're thinking about your

03:13:33.000 | lower back and if you're going to be able to be able to perform on target we can't have that we're

03:13:37.560 | trying to increase your confidence never decrease it so that's why you pull from that that is one and a half

03:13:42.920 | times your body weight is the minimum standard for how many repetitions five one and a half times your

03:13:48.040 | body weight okay and then two times your body weight i think it's two and a half times your body weight

03:13:51.880 | is the elite for a set of five you know you can obviously do more i think i did a set of 12 in that

03:13:56.600 | video but it's just can i pick up double body weight under control without slamming on the ground proper

03:14:03.080 | form in control the entire time so we add in all those so the broad jump the farmers carry the body

03:14:09.480 | weight bench the pull-ups the trap bar deadlift and we have an 800 meter run we also have a plank

03:14:16.920 | for time so a minute and a half two minutes no it's two minutes two and a half minutes and three

03:14:22.200 | minutes just in the forearms yeah planking however you want to hold it and we were going to do sit-ups

03:14:26.520 | originally but sit-ups is such a hip flexor dominant position because i have that long torso if i don't

03:14:32.200 | anchor my feet 50 sit-ups is really really hard for me and how do you gauge it are your hands interlocked

03:14:37.640 | behind your back there's a whole bunch of ways to cheat it it's very hard to cheat a plank but your

03:14:41.720 | core is so important and that's something that vernie got me doing i had a lot of lower back

03:14:46.040 | injuries as we all do i started walking around with my core at like 40 to 50 flexed all day every day

03:14:52.600 | my lower back issues went away instantly so i walk around with a little bit of tension all day long just

03:14:58.200 | imagine walking around the pool your shirt off a little bit of tension your abs and it protects my lower

03:15:02.360 | back so we always say be an active participant throughout the entire movement i'm never going to

03:15:07.240 | let my core go to jello because my lower back will spasm everything is locked in everything is in

03:15:11.960 | control my intensity is there my focus is there and i blocked out all the stray voltage so we get through

03:15:17.080 | that and then we do an 800 meter run i wanted to do 400 meter repeats do a 400 stop as long as it

03:15:24.680 | took you to run execute another one in the same amount of time well the swat team they have an 800

03:15:30.840 | meter run we're like well since you already do it i don't need a guy that can run a marathon i need a

03:15:36.280 | guy that can throw a 200 pound guy over his shoulders run him up 10 flights of stairs and make a good

03:15:40.680 | decision so being a marathon runner while it might be great for you it doesn't really give me everything

03:15:46.440 | i need i really need that hybrid athlete and that 800 meter i didn't realize and then i talked to

03:15:51.160 | everybody who's a distance runner the 800 is brutal it's too fast to fully sprint and you can't slow

03:15:57.320 | down because that time metric i think is 3 15 3 minutes and 245 to be the elite so i think i'm in

03:16:05.640 | like the 240 range right now but i haven't ran it since i snapped my hip other than sprints i don't

03:16:10.840 | distance run because it hurts my hip too bad but i'm able to get through it i've got a laundry list of

03:16:15.400 | injuries and we did that entire test cold war we basically wrote it down and the whole thing when i

03:16:20.120 | sit down with vernon i was like i need something to drive to i do better when there's a target goal

03:16:25.000 | on the wall like two years ago it was a 400 pound bench press i have never been able to bench press

03:16:29.960 | 400 pounds i've missed it every time my shoulders were all blown out and i was like with all the

03:16:34.360 | injuries i want to press 400 pounds one time before i hang it up forever retrain the entire year hit 407

03:16:42.120 | re-racked it now what i need to hold a high standard what is it well if i was on a seal team or a swat team

03:16:49.080 | and every dude could pass that test we have a physical dynasty because not everyone can but it

03:16:55.560 | gives you something you look at me and it's like i've got a laundry list of injuries dude i'm on the

03:16:59.720 | wrong side of 40 right now i've never taken my foot off the gas and neither should you you're 22 years

03:17:04.600 | old you should be running circles around me and if you're not just because you don't care enough

03:17:09.240 | like no one has slapped you that's the whole concept of be a pro everything i'm doing is putting

03:17:14.680 | me in position to be the best version of myself because the team deserves it everything i do

03:17:19.320 | everything i say everything i represent should be putting the group in a better position and for us

03:17:24.200 | because it's such a dangerous job your physical readiness it can't be ignored that is the one

03:17:29.320 | thing that everyone should be able to count on and they should look at you well i know john cares

03:17:34.360 | look at him like he didn't wake up like that that dude is in the gym five days a week because

03:17:38.360 | he wants to be the best fireman he can possibly be and that's where we push out and the standard has

03:17:43.800 | been great i mean a lot of guys get super humbled by him and you know some guys lie because i see their

03:17:48.360 | numbers like there's no way you did that but it keeps them honest yeah and it's tough i mean i looked

03:17:53.640 | at those numbers i mean i think most people who've been training regularly will find that

03:17:58.040 | maybe two or three of the things come naturally to them and others are difficult because everyone's

03:18:03.320 | got different like i have a really short torso long arm so certain things are easier certain things are

03:18:07.560 | harder like i think that's what i really like about it it's spread out across the table so that

03:18:12.920 | no one person can dominate just by virtue of some you know previous sport history or natural proclivity

03:18:19.080 | based on body shape or something um how often are you having people self-test on this we tell the

03:18:25.880 | guys whenever they're ready we did a 12-week block on it i've been traveling a lot so haven't really

03:18:30.600 | been able to retest we're coming up on it maybe the next two weeks or so gonna retest just to see where

03:18:35.720 | it's at but that was the interesting thing is i call back to the command to our strength conditioning

03:18:41.000 | coaches and i pulled out all my scores from a test that's very very similar bodyweight bench max

03:18:46.280 | pull-ups did the whole thing my numbers now 15 years later some are better than they were when

03:18:52.040 | i was in my 20s awesome and it's like i'm not training for that this is just the program it keeps

03:18:57.000 | me at a super high level and we had um we had a doctor from duke university come down and do uh some

03:19:02.120 | cqb testing on me and we had to test vo2 max i haven't trained for vo2 max in 20 years and my vo2 max is

03:19:09.800 | still on top zero zero zero one percent of the earth all elite athletes i don't train vo2 max and

03:19:15.960 | i my breathing is so inefficient and that's what he laughed about your ultrasounding my diaphragm he's

03:19:21.000 | like your breathing is terrible but it translates to where your vo2 max is awesome he's like you can

03:19:27.080 | live forever that's that's how we determine how long you're going to live for is vo2 max and your vo2 max

03:19:32.440 | it's through the roof i don't train it if you just do the program maintain it consistently it'll give

03:19:39.480 | you such a well-rounded approach to everything and you know that's the big thing it's i don't want to

03:19:44.280 | have to say no hey can you pick that up yeah can you jump over that yeah can you move that out of the

03:19:49.000 | way yep can you move him through time and space yep also because you have kids and they you know yeah

03:19:54.600 | swimming playing running around and also setting a high standard within family you know i think um

03:20:00.920 | there are always two sides to the fitness nutrition conversation one is i'll just say it you know i feel

03:20:08.600 | like the standards in the united states have drifted so far in terms of what we consider healthy um what

03:20:15.800 | we're willing to accept um my dad who is not he's a first generation immigrant here i'll never forget in

03:20:21.880 | the it was like in the mid 90s or something he said to me he said you know today what he was talking

03:20:26.920 | about himself he he said i went to the movies and i uh and i saw people in pajamas i was like what do

03:20:32.280 | you mean he's like people go to the movies now like as if they just woke up in their slippers and pajamas

03:20:36.760 | and i said oh yeah and he said um this is the beginning of the end he said because when that slips then

03:20:43.400 | pretty soon it's like you're willing to tolerate things on the street you know then people aren't

03:20:47.160 | weeding their lawns and then pretty soon you know it just breeds this this general um disinterest

03:20:55.960 | in taking care of of things and then you know i can't link it directly to people going to the movies

03:21:00.840 | in their pajamas but and everyone likes to be comfortable so i don't think he was saying everyone

03:21:04.680 | should avoid wearing sweatpants but i think what he was saying is you know etiquette and self-care and

03:21:09.400 | self-respect is projected outward so that's one side of it right um we have a 30 35 of the united

03:21:18.280 | states is obese not just overweight but obese on the other side is the opportunity right so it's always

03:21:24.440 | good to think about the opportunity and um the program that you're offering it clearly is great

03:21:29.960 | for first responders and people high intensity high demand um work but the reason i'm interested in

03:21:35.160 | it is because i want to be fit for the next 50 years and so i'm going to try it because um i want

03:21:42.120 | to train to be able to do these things when i'm 70 or 80 or 90 i figure if i get out that far it's kind

03:21:47.000 | of like how could i possibly do it then well by doing it every day until then right that's you know it's

03:21:51.800 | obvious the solution is obvious so is this a program that women men um everyone could do and is the and

03:21:58.760 | the training doesn't just center around these these movements it centers around the five day a week

03:22:04.280 | program and my understanding is there's tutorial in there like you get some you get some support because

03:22:09.160 | i think this is really what's missing from most online programs because anyone can go to youtube

03:22:13.160 | or look online go you know what's the we even have a foundational fitness protocol is what i've been

03:22:17.720 | you know doing for the last 30 something years and i'm always you know starting to modify that now

03:22:22.440 | based on gbrs uh and this fit test but it's a whole other thing to have support and have

03:22:28.680 | people working with you because this is about not being the only fish in the pond one of the

03:22:34.200 | things that program does better than anything else i've ever seen is there's probably 800 to a thousand

03:22:39.320 | movement tutorials they're either guided by me with vernon doing all the coaching cues big toe down

03:22:45.320 | feel this roll this hip over you'll feel this he's he navigates it so well verbally and physically you can

03:22:51.960 | watch him he'll manipulate me demonstrating exactly what you'll feel and touch then the message board on the

03:22:56.920 | backside so when you finish the workout everybody else who's done that workout all you know thousands

03:23:01.720 | of people they comment on how they're feeling and he'll read that and he's like hey guys looks like

03:23:06.440 | everybody's getting a little fatigued after the last couple weeks after this you know this power block we

03:23:10.760 | just did hey we're going to taper off the next five days we're going to regroup and following monday

03:23:15.080 | we're going to push and this is what we're going to do so he'll sprinkle in more running you know when

03:23:19.400 | summertime comes around we'll start to add a little bit more but we add in 20 minute walks every day so

03:23:24.840 | everybody gets them right after you leave i steal a bunch of stuff from you like

03:23:28.440 | shake in the sunglasses let's get some vitamin d straight in our eyes first thing in the morning

03:23:32.600 | set circadian rhythm i do the same thing at night it's like they've all been saying the same thing

03:23:36.600 | man like if you just make it part of your routine and schwarzenegger says it too like hey did you work

03:23:41.880 | out yesterday uh-huh i'm gonna work out tomorrow and the next day i brush my teeth twice a day too i'm

03:23:47.320 | going to continue doing it's part of my routine and i'm not going to miss it i've been doing this and i

03:23:51.880 | haven't missed session for six years and i am not going to miss one tomorrow why would i you're seeing

03:23:57.080 | what it's doing for me i mean i've got a laundry list of injuries and i'm silly to perform at a super

03:24:01.320 | high level because i'm not taking my foot off the gas there's nothing magical about me i'm a i'm the

03:24:05.720 | most normal dude you'll ever meet but you mean we have 65 seven-year-olds on that program and if you

03:24:11.560 | can't do one if you have a limitation so do we you can do a drop down menu and there'll be 40 different

03:24:16.600 | exercises to pick from so if i go to a hotel gym i don't have it very first thing i do i walk down i

03:24:22.200 | scan the whole thing i sent to vernon he's like oh only dumbbells to 50 huh i was like yeah and he'll

03:24:28.280 | send me a workout or i'll just drop down the menu like okay well because today's my leg day i'm actually

03:24:34.680 | gonna do friday's workout and i'll shift thursday because i'll be home my home gym i'll do thursday's

03:24:39.080 | workout on friday flexible oh it's flexible yeah it's so important i mean i think really i mean

03:24:45.720 | standards are what we all need for ourselves and standards are what honestly i think this country

03:24:52.040 | needs and and it's tricky because within this new administration you know the whole notion of maha

03:24:58.280 | quickly got um kind of stained by the by the politicizing of like the motives and all that like

03:25:06.920 | in the end people need to eat better train better and there are real medical issues out

03:25:11.160 | there people are contending with but just imagine if people actually started to take their physical

03:25:16.520 | body seriously you know this is something i i really want to i'm going to say it again later but i want to

03:25:21.640 | say it now very clearly one thing that i think is so absolutely clear from everything you said about your

03:25:30.920 | backstory where you're at now the ibogaine work your care for first responders your care for your

03:25:38.600 | teammates your family is that you take yourself seriously yeah so for you it's a yeah i think most

03:25:45.960 | people take their feelings seriously they take their responses to what's going on in their life seriously

03:25:53.880 | you know the at the center of our consciousness a previous guest said you know is our ego that the us the

03:25:59.640 | me that we're all like that to some extent but taking oneself seriously as a form of self-respect

03:26:08.920 | and building up one's ability to support others and to do important things for other people in our

03:26:15.320 | life our family and for the world is so key and i feel like taking oneself seriously is the cornerstone

03:26:21.320 | of everything i've heard you say today and everything you're doing that it it's not taking a feeling in a

03:26:28.680 | moment seriously in fact sometimes it's about doing that and sometimes it's about going no i'm gonna

03:26:34.040 | push that aside now i'm gonna brush my teeth i'm gonna lean into that i'm gonna do not do what i

03:26:37.400 | prefer to do in the moment so that i can really show up but that we need to take ourselves seriously

03:26:43.960 | you do you have to and i have this big thing i do i've been asked to a lot of motivational speaking

03:26:50.680 | lately and a lot of that i tell this story about a kid that grows up to want to be a fireman and how he got

03:26:55.080 | inspired by a fireman because that guy was a physical representation of what that kid thought

03:27:01.160 | a fireman would be looked apart act apart he's heroic he might as well put a red cape on this kid and send

03:27:06.680 | him through the door i mean that's what it is but that's you representing everything you think a fireman

03:27:12.680 | should be not just what you say what you wear how you speak do everything so for me anybody who i meet i'm

03:27:19.560 | giving you both barrels right now because i'm trying to live the actual life that i think i should be

03:27:25.640 | living that translates all the positive stuff i'm trying to put out if you saw me and i was

03:27:31.080 | 50 pounds overweight at a bar drinking my 12th beer talking about mental health you wouldn't take me

03:27:36.920 | serious talking about how you were a navy seal back when that does nothing for them yeah it's like

03:27:42.440 | that's not how i identify yeah i did that job and yeah you think that gives me credibility i don't

03:27:46.760 | care about that a bit that doesn't give me credibility the way i live my life now my daily

03:27:50.360 | routine gives me the credibility because no matter who you are you can adopt that same lifestyle that

03:27:54.840 | same routine you can grab it as a housewife you can wake up early and go out and do a 20-minute walk

03:28:00.040 | every single morning before your kids wake up you're just refusing to do it i don't know why but i promise

03:28:05.800 | you if every single person ever watches this you wake up and do a 20-minute walk in the morning in one

03:28:10.120 | after dinner and you do it for seven days on the eighth day the world doesn't fall apart it only

03:28:15.400 | gets better the more you do it it just will people just don't want to put in the work they want this

03:28:19.400 | quick fix they want to zimpic they want this or they're saying and i hear this and uh it's trickier

03:28:24.360 | for me because i'm late to the game on kids uh and family but um but mark my words but in your case you've

03:28:32.760 | already had kids you got a wife you have a functioning family and a very busy demanding career

03:28:39.800 | and a previous career that carries with it incredible experiences but also challenges and that you're

03:28:46.280 | resolving now and you've resolved and you have a mission in the world and so a lot of times i'll hear

03:28:51.560 | people say well that's easy for you to say because you don't have kids and and i'm kind of muted at that

03:28:57.880 | moment and i want to respond and say listen when i was a graduate student i worked 100 hours a week

03:29:05.400 | but i was in my 20s and i didn't have kids so i i have very little ammunition there in your case

03:29:10.120 | however uh you have kids and you're getting up and you're doing two 20-minute walks and you're

03:29:15.080 | including your family in these practices too you said your evening walks with your wife are a crucial

03:29:19.560 | part of your connection if anyone is struggling with building that bridge especially guys

03:29:24.600 | transition out of the military or career you watch it with tom brady and everybody else when they leave

03:29:29.560 | the thing they were put on this earth to do there is a fall from grace it can't be ignored and most of

03:29:34.360 | the time that splits with the wife right like the person you are now she's not used to being home and now

03:29:39.160 | you don't have anything if you are struggling to rebuild that connection with your wife with your

03:29:43.640 | partner that 20-minute walk has saved my marriage i have given it to thousands of people

03:29:48.520 | that right there if i could give everybody a gift the power of that 20-minute walk it's changed my whole

03:29:54.360 | life man that is the one constant thing i don't compromise on i mean even to the point where

03:29:58.760 | as dumb as it may be when i'm walking through the atlanta airport i don't get on the little

03:30:03.880 | conveyor belt i'm not doing that i'll walk from terminal e all the way to terminal a because it's

03:30:08.440 | a 20-minute power push i do it and i film it on social media i'm getting my steps in no matter what

03:30:14.360 | i'm not on my phone i'm showing you you can find the time instead of sitting there at starbucks

03:30:18.520 | for 45 minutes waiting on my flight i'll just walk back and forth i just got a 40-minute walk in straight i'm

03:30:23.400 | good so when i get back home it's 2 30 in the morning i don't feel guilty i haven't done anything

03:30:27.480 | physical today i wake up in the morning 5 a.m and i gear it up and i spin it again you can find the time

03:30:32.840 | rarely you have to make the time if you're waiting for it just to pop up and like oh here's a free

03:30:39.640 | 20-minute block you're not going to have it and people just that's the thing i can't get past like

03:30:44.840 | oh you know i can't wake up that early you have a thousand dollar smartphone that does anything

03:30:50.760 | there's not a question you can ask it it doesn't have the answer to and there's a a clock on it if

03:30:56.040 | you set it it'll go off when it goes off get out of bed like i've been doing it my whole life i don't

03:31:01.480 | understand it they just don't want to they've never felt the power of being in control of the small things

03:31:06.280 | why stacking up the micro winds lay out your clothes the night before i mean how many people wake up

03:31:11.480 | you know 20 minutes for the supposed to leave the door and just frantic like where's my black

03:31:14.920 | shirt where's my black shirt who moved my shoes where my car keys like that's a terrible way to

03:31:19.240 | start today but you're the one who's doing that if you just spend 10 minutes the night before take

03:31:24.520 | your shower lay out the clothes put them in the logical order you're about to get them dressed in

03:31:27.800 | next morning and go you'd be surprised how fast you're actually making a cup of coffee like

03:31:32.360 | man i did my entire morning routine in less than five minutes

03:31:37.880 | what i do with my next 40 whatever you want do 10 minutes of meditation sit there in a dark room

03:31:44.040 | and just tell yourself 10 things you're truly grateful for like i am so glad i have my wife i'm

03:31:49.640 | so glad i have two healthy kids i'm so glad i have a company i'm so glad i have two arms and two legs

03:31:53.800 | i'm so glad i'm still alive cool what are you going to do i'm going to make the most out of it go to work

03:32:00.280 | and do that people just don't want to make the time because they've never seen the example so a lot of

03:32:05.000 | stuff we try to put out is i'm trying to be a physical representation of what i'm trying to

03:32:08.600 | mass produce physically strong mentally resilient capable patriotic americans that's what i'm trying

03:32:15.160 | to do i just want you to have accountability i've accounted for all my failures all my successes and

03:32:21.320 | everything else in between and i'll show them exactly what happens when you do it wrong i think

03:32:25.800 | that's what a lot of people like the most about is i will tell you all my deepest darkest secrets

03:32:29.720 | because you're going to learn a lot more from those than you are about climbing everest right everybody

03:32:34.520 | wants to see the picture at the top of the mountain they don't want to hear about you know how many

03:32:38.120 | sherpas you lost on the way to the top they don't want to hear about that i do i want to hear about

03:32:42.200 | the real struggle like how hard is it to be you talk me through it i can learn so much from the

03:32:47.160 | hardships of people just unfortunately we're in a a place now where not too many people are willing

03:32:52.200 | to share it but yeah just trying to help out as many people as possible before i hang this whole

03:32:57.080 | thing up and retire man well you are absolutely helping a ton of people and today's discussion

03:33:03.880 | is just going to amplify that i have to say i'm immensely grateful for you i felt a kinship with

03:33:09.080 | you from the very first time i saw you on sean's podcast because you mentioned the skateboarding thing

03:33:13.080 | and i think i heard the words uh that you prefer dogs to people sometimes i think you you've embraced

03:33:18.280 | people uh as well um and your love of dogs uh that was the hook and then uh we have some common

03:33:24.600 | friends in the teams community and um that i respect very much some of whom have been guests others who

03:33:30.200 | are still behind the veil but um your message is so important you have very high standards for

03:33:38.760 | yourself and you meet those standards and you're constantly trying to meet and exceed those standards

03:33:43.560 | and it's also very clear that you've learned this is this unconscious genius part about maybe it's teams

03:33:50.440 | maybe it's just some people in it but it's clearly uh very alive in you you learn to use physical

03:33:57.480 | decisions real world actionable implementable decisions to create internal change so that you

03:34:05.720 | can engage with the world in more functional and more meaningful ways it's like the waking up early

03:34:12.120 | thing i i confess i've been a little weak on the waking up early thing about prioritizing sleep and

03:34:17.560 | this kind of thing and um there's also a strong antidepressant effect of waking up early that i've

03:34:22.920 | noticed and that's exist in the literature so i'm going to get back to that i'm definitely going to

03:34:27.400 | do the gbrs program i'm hoping other people will as well um again it's not a promotional for that i think

03:34:34.680 | how amazing would it be if as a country people started to really take their physical body seriously

03:34:40.520 | not expect some you know package to arrive on their doorstep if they were to take that pill or

03:34:46.040 | or that thing and suddenly they were going to be healthy and instead to really just lean into these

03:34:50.440 | 20 minute walks sunlight the gbrs program sounds like an awesome way to get all around fitness

03:34:56.360 | and to maintain that for a lifetime i just want to thank you for everything you're doing you you've

03:35:01.000 | definitely opened up on an emotional level to the world today and elsewhere you've opened up uh

03:35:07.080 | your protocols you've made it very clear that you're human that you're not perfect and that

03:35:14.600 | despite all that you're still going to keep striving striving striving it's a it's a magnificent example

03:35:20.120 | at every level so i'm really really grateful i got something i want to give you for me

03:35:24.680 | slide you those okay so i'm going to tell you the backstory real quick

03:35:30.520 | so we started doing in-house embroidery and we wanted to do an american flag hat but we sat down with

03:35:38.040 | tyer millican he runs all our stuff and we got an apprentice sophia that does all our embroidery in-house

03:35:42.360 | six-headed embroidery machine and we wanted to do an american flag hat and i got so i'm gonna try not

03:35:48.840 | get upset i get so sick of people ordering american flag patches off amazon from china and border

03:35:55.080 | stitching them on hats and letting that be a patriotic symbol is that how it's typically done yeah i mean

03:36:01.320 | you can go to amazon i can buy 500 of those and those are made in china yeah and i can border stitch

03:36:05.880 | them on there i can hot glue them on there we've got this embroidery machine and tyler's a wizard with

03:36:10.440 | just embroidery files and everything else and we were like let's make the american flag hat

03:36:15.640 | it's not going to be a border stitch it's not going to be a patch we sew on this thing like

03:36:19.560 | what's it going to be and he looked right at me he goes i can make you the hat but we are never going

03:36:24.120 | to make money on it and i was like i ain't about making money and he's like well i can't mass produce

03:36:28.120 | them either it's like the hat in the story i'm going to tell is not meant for mass production

03:36:33.080 | so when you launch those hats that hat is almost 24 000 individual stitches it takes 60 minutes just

03:36:39.160 | to make the flag the quality control that goes inside that if a single thread is pulled rolled

03:36:44.920 | anything we cancel it we toss it but that hat and i actually stitched into the bag no it's not i see

03:36:51.800 | what you're saying it's not a patch stitch onto a hat it's it's it is the hat it is yeah and got it

03:36:57.480 | you know when we first dropped those things i told everybody i was like this hat is for the people

03:37:02.680 | they get emotional when they hear the national anthem this hat is for the people whose children

03:37:07.240 | say the pledge of allegiance with hand over heart they go to the baseball games they have a visceral

03:37:11.560 | response when they hear the national anthem played they're not kneeling at football games they're not

03:37:15.560 | playing all the left side and right side they are patriotic americans and i told them if you are going to

03:37:22.760 | wear this hat and let anything poisonous come out of your mouth while you're wearing that hat i will

03:37:28.200 | fly there and i'll snatch it off your head everything you're going to do needs to represent what you

03:37:32.600 | think the essence of america is everything that flows out of your mouth while you're wearing that hat

03:37:37.080 | better be done with dignity respect because a lot of brave men and women have sacrificed everything

03:37:41.080 | just for that little piece of cloth so we don't mass produce and we drop them a couple times a year

03:37:45.560 | we'll do it like a be a pro drop a couple different times and they fly like wildfire and it's so cool

03:37:52.520 | to see because the people that know they know like we have done so much for that flag and i hate seeing

03:38:00.520 | it being misrepresented in any way shape or form you do it such in a beautiful light i would love for you

03:38:07.400 | to have those so those came from the boys at gbrs and i know that when you wear them you'll preach

03:38:11.960 | the gospel and you represent the american people in a beautiful way but if you don't i will fly out here

03:38:15.720 | and i'll snatch them off your head like i will anybody else but i believe you but those things those

03:38:20.840 | represent we've got a bunch of patriots and a bunch of veterans that work inside with us so every time

03:38:26.200 | we do that drop the entire the entire company we're 40 something people strong now and when that hat comes

03:38:32.440 | out everybody can feel it like beating the war drum on just being a good patriot and i know i isolate it

03:38:38.040 | for just americans but the overall message i want everyone to be a patriot everyone in the uk australia

03:38:43.960 | new zealand canada france if you have ownership and you are patriotic where you come from you

03:38:49.720 | represent it so much better than anyone else if i've never met a person from australia and i go there

03:38:55.400 | and i meet one person it's a positive experience for the rest of my days i'll talk about that experience

03:39:00.520 | so when i wear that hat i try to represent what i want the american people to be like so when somebody

03:39:05.720 | meets me from you know zimbabwe and i'm wearing that hat that interaction is going to be the best i

03:39:11.640 | can possibly be because of the weight of that thing sitting on my head oh yeah when i came out here you

03:39:17.000 | know i was telling the boys like i gotta i gotta bring andrew a hat and they spun him up real quick

03:39:21.400 | we don't drop those things till november but i wanted you to have the first one so thank you for

03:39:25.080 | everything and thanks for having me on man oh and thank you i'm i'm honored i will uh wear it and i

03:39:29.960 | will uh uh i will meet and i will strive to exceed the standard that you describe and i fully believe

03:39:35.880 | that if i don't you'll come out here and kick my ass that's uh that's part of the part of the deal uh

03:39:40.760 | we can also provide a link to uh where you guys make these and um yeah again i just really want to

03:39:47.880 | thank you it's clear that quality and standards is in your dna and it's in more importantly

03:39:55.000 | it's in everything you do right right down to the hats so thank you so much dj come back again

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