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The Books I Read in November | 2021


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0:0 Cal's Intro
0:49 Steven Spielberg by Joseph McBride
3:24 Relic by Douglas Preston
8:52 Future Ethics by Cennydd Bowles
13:4 K by Tyler Kepner
15:41 Number by Tobias Dantzig

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00:00:00.000 | [MUSIC]
00:00:05.440 | So I've got my list here.
00:00:06.640 | And Jesse, I guess I'll get your take on these books.
00:00:09.280 | So as long-time listeners know, my goal is typically to read five books per month.
00:00:13.760 | This is possible, I find, if you just on a semi-regular basis
00:00:18.720 | put aside non-trivial amount of time to reading,
00:00:21.520 | and then as you get close to the end of a book, just get after it and say,
00:00:24.800 | "I'm just going to go and finish this book."
00:00:27.440 | So with a little bit of intention, it's often surprising how much you can read.
00:00:30.320 | So I thought I would go through what I read this month,
00:00:33.520 | and we will get the official reaction of producer extraordinaire Jesse
00:00:38.480 | on each of these books and my weird reading habits.
00:00:41.920 | All right, so book number one I finished was a biography of Steven Spielberg
00:00:47.280 | called "Spielberg, A Life."
00:00:48.960 | This has been part of my kick of reading movie books.
00:00:52.880 | So as listeners remember, from October, I read a bunch of books about movies.
00:00:57.360 | This picked that up.
00:00:58.240 | Quick technical note about how I do my reading list.
00:01:02.960 | There's multiple ways you can do this.
00:01:04.240 | The way I do it is I count the book in the month that it finishes.
00:01:07.840 | You could do it the other way and count the book in the month that you start.
00:01:11.360 | It's the same thing as long as you're consistent about it.
00:01:13.280 | So Spielberg, I actually started on this book way earlier in October,
00:01:18.960 | but it finished earlier in November.
00:01:20.880 | Pretty good book.
00:01:22.400 | So here's my question for you, Jesse.
00:01:24.080 | Here's a quiz.
00:01:24.720 | How much money would you guess?
00:01:26.560 | We talked about this already, "Jurassic Park."
00:01:28.240 | How much money would you guess Steven Spielberg personally made from "Jurassic Park"?
00:01:33.280 | We have not talked about this.
00:01:34.880 | Let me guess.
00:01:35.520 | I remember when I saw that movie.
00:01:36.880 | Three million?
00:01:41.120 | Two to four hundred million dollars.
00:01:43.440 | Oh, all time?
00:01:44.960 | He made it himself, personally, two to four hundred million dollars.
00:01:48.880 | There's a little bit of debate about what comes in there, but he had,
00:01:51.200 | at that point, his deal was 40%.
00:01:53.600 | Oh, okay.
00:01:54.960 | 40% of gross, basically, and it was a billion dollar movie.
00:01:58.720 | Isn't that crazy?
00:01:59.520 | Two hundred million dollars for one movie.
00:02:01.040 | It's good negotiating on his part.
00:02:02.960 | Yeah.
00:02:03.200 | The other thing I learned is that it is a pain, no matter how many people you can hire,
00:02:09.200 | no matter how much money you have, it is a pain to have many properties.
00:02:14.080 | That's another little tidbit I picked up.
00:02:15.520 | So Spielberg had a lot of houses and a lot of apartments, and his ex-wife hated it.
00:02:20.640 | She felt like it fell on her.
00:02:23.280 | And I don't know, this is like a rich person parable about context switching.
00:02:28.080 | There's just overhead, right?
00:02:28.960 | I mean, even just the overhead of, I got to hire the right person to run this property.
00:02:33.280 | So it's a ton of overhead.
00:02:35.040 | Maybe that's why Elon sold all his houses.
00:02:37.040 | That's true.
00:02:37.520 | So there we go.
00:02:39.040 | This is our very approachable advice for our listeners this week.
00:02:41.600 | Be wary on the number of high-priced luxury properties you maintain because of the overhead
00:02:47.360 | involved.
00:02:49.200 | This is good.
00:02:49.760 | We've been really approachable here.
00:02:50.880 | Maybe just like two ocean properties.
00:02:53.600 | I don't want to be controversial, Jesse, but maybe just limit yourself to two oceanfront
00:02:57.200 | properties.
00:02:57.760 | More money, more problems.
00:02:58.880 | Exactly.
00:02:59.360 | All right.
00:03:00.640 | So book number two.
00:03:01.600 | So this was every year for Halloween.
00:03:04.800 | In the lead up to Halloween, my tradition is I always read some sort of book that is
00:03:09.040 | vaguely Halloween-y, so like a thriller that has to be sort of supernatural or Stephen King,
00:03:14.720 | something like this.
00:03:15.440 | Longtime tradition.
00:03:16.240 | So I didn't finish my Halloween book till the second day of November.
00:03:19.840 | So it counts under November.
00:03:22.880 | But I went back and reread Relic.
00:03:25.600 | Have you heard of this one?
00:03:28.240 | Fantastic.
00:03:29.120 | It's fantastic.
00:03:29.760 | This is Lincoln Child and Douglas Preston.
00:03:31.840 | Preston also writes for The New Yorker.
00:03:34.480 | And it is a book that came out right after Jurassic Park.
00:03:37.920 | So this was the big comparison.
00:03:40.640 | The poll quote on the cover of the paperback version of this book is "better than Jurassic
00:03:45.440 | Park."
00:03:46.000 | That's the poll quote they put on it.
00:03:47.920 | But Preston, if I have this right, he has a background in archaeology or paleontology,
00:03:54.400 | something like this.
00:03:55.040 | He occasionally writes New Yorker pieces on dinosaur bones, so something like this.
00:03:59.360 | He used to work or had some connection with the National History Museum in New York, which
00:04:05.360 | is like this massive old building that's multiple city blocks long with all these sub-basements.
00:04:10.800 | And so the idea of this book, which is just fantastic, is that there is essentially a
00:04:15.840 | monster loose in the Museum of Natural History.
00:04:19.040 | And it's like emerging and killing people in a brutal way.
00:04:23.600 | And they don't know what it is.
00:04:25.600 | And in the end, it's not supernatural.
00:04:28.160 | No spoilers.
00:04:29.040 | But there's actually a scientific explanation for what's going on.
00:04:33.840 | It has to do with this expedition that's cursed.
00:04:36.000 | And there's this monster.
00:04:37.440 | And it's this great buildup.
00:04:39.600 | So it's a great setting.
00:04:41.120 | The Natural History Museum is just a great setting.
00:04:44.080 | And there's this buildup of the monster getting more and more bold until there's a giant gala
00:04:49.280 | event.
00:04:49.680 | And it just all goes crazy.
00:04:50.880 | And people are having their heads eaten.
00:04:52.240 | And it's fantastic.
00:04:54.400 | So I'm pro-Relic.
00:04:55.920 | They made a movie on it.
00:04:56.800 | I didn't like the movie as much.
00:04:57.680 | It was a great book.
00:04:58.240 | Was the book better than Jurassic Park?
00:05:00.400 | So I reread Jurassic Park recently, too, because my son wanted to read it.
00:05:04.800 | I thought, I don't know.
00:05:06.080 | Is this appropriate?
00:05:07.040 | He's nine.
00:05:07.600 | So I reread it.
00:05:09.040 | And it's like, OK, I think this is appropriate.
00:05:10.400 | Jurassic Park is cooler, right?
00:05:12.400 | I mean, I think Spielberg has these big ideas.
00:05:16.240 | And it's like interesting plot.
00:05:18.080 | And the plotting is really interesting.
00:05:20.640 | And the tech and the intersection is very interesting.
00:05:24.000 | Relic is a better crafted thriller.
00:05:25.520 | It's a beautifully crafted thriller.
00:05:28.320 | It moves in just the right pace.
00:05:29.440 | But Jurassic Park is just cool.
00:05:30.720 | It's like dinosaurs.
00:05:32.720 | And there's this-- for some reason, a chaos mathematician is there.
00:05:36.640 | And people are trying to understand what's going on with the dinosaurs'
00:05:42.000 | breeding and the fences are down and Muldoon has a rocket launcher.
00:05:45.200 | I mean, I think it's a cooler book.
00:05:47.920 | Though I did-- because I was bored-- was talking to my discrete mathematics class at Georgetown
00:05:53.840 | last week.
00:05:55.760 | And we were talking about chaos theory, right?
00:05:59.040 | Because we were talking about recurrences.
00:06:01.360 | And they were asking about-- let's not get technical.
00:06:03.360 | But are there closed form solutions to all recurrences?
00:06:05.760 | And I was talking about when you get the second or third order, you get these nonlinear
00:06:08.720 | recurrences that are hard to predict.
00:06:11.120 | And that's chaos theory.
00:06:12.000 | And this is what Malcolm's character is in Jurassic Park, is a chaos theoretician.
00:06:16.240 | Book recommendation, by the way.
00:06:18.480 | Side note, Chaos by James Gleick.
00:06:20.880 | It's a science book about the rise of chaos theory.
00:06:24.960 | Fantastic.
00:06:25.520 | So anyways, my argument to the class was there is no world in which it makes sense
00:06:32.640 | if you are the insurance company insuring Isla Nublar, where they're building Jurassic Park.
00:06:40.000 | There is no world in which it makes sense where you say, what we need
00:06:42.720 | is a chaos mathematician to come out here and take a look.
00:06:45.920 | Have you thought about that?
00:06:48.240 | It makes no sense.
00:06:49.040 | It's just a guy who--
00:06:49.840 | Vaguely speaking, yeah, chaos theory-- look, here's what chaos theory is about.
00:06:54.400 | There's these certain recurrent equations.
00:06:56.560 | So it's an equation where you put in the value from the prior time step into calculating the
00:07:00.720 | value for the current time step.
00:07:02.000 | And if they're nonlinear, so you raise things to powers bigger than 1,
00:07:05.040 | they can become really unpredictable, right?
00:07:08.160 | So it's really if you change the input a little bit and then run it 1,000 times,
00:07:11.440 | your number ends up in a really weird place.
00:07:12.960 | And chaos theoreticians study these and find that there's these deep, beautiful structures
00:07:17.360 | like Lorenz attractors if you look at the derivatives or the second derivative.
00:07:21.760 | And it's really interesting math.
00:07:23.200 | It has nothing to do with keeping large animals properly contained within electrical fences.
00:07:29.920 | It has nothing to do with it.
00:07:30.960 | I never even noticed that the chaos theory character was in there.
00:07:37.760 | I was just kind of more concerned with the dinosaurs.
00:07:39.680 | Yeah, it's Jeff Goldblum.
00:07:41.840 | You know?
00:07:42.800 | Oh, I guess, yeah, you're right, yeah.
00:07:44.080 | He's a cool character.
00:07:45.120 | He's a cool character.
00:07:46.080 | But all he does-- all he does is say, "I study mathematical equations that are unpredictable."
00:07:51.360 | Ergo, it might be unpredictable to have dinosaurs that you bred,
00:07:56.960 | and they might get loose because it's hard to predict.
00:07:58.640 | You don't got to fly him there.
00:08:00.640 | What's he looking at?
00:08:01.520 | What's he looking at?
00:08:03.280 | That's an email.
00:08:04.080 | I think it's a problem.
00:08:07.280 | But I'm sure-- we should go do this work-- but I'm sure that Michael Crichton came across
00:08:14.960 | chaos theory, maybe even read the James Gleick book-- I think that's from the 1980s--
00:08:19.600 | and just said, "This is cool.
00:08:21.360 | I got to put this in the book somehow."
00:08:23.200 | And he just wanted to find a place for the character.
00:08:25.120 | So anyways, it's a bit of a problem.
00:08:29.120 | Other thing I noticed is I reread Adronomous Strand.
00:08:31.200 | I mentioned that on the show.
00:08:32.000 | The science there is a lot tighter.
00:08:34.320 | Because I think Crichton had more time.
00:08:35.600 | It was his first book under his own name.
00:08:37.360 | And the science gets pretty loose.
00:08:39.040 | It gets pretty loose in Jurassic Park.
00:08:41.840 | But all right, so that's book two, Relic.
00:08:44.240 | Book three is a digital ethics book.
00:08:48.800 | It's not-- it's academic, but not super academic.
00:08:53.760 | It was called Future Ethics.
00:08:54.960 | Sort of a survey.
00:08:56.800 | And it was OK.
00:08:58.800 | It was interesting.
00:08:59.440 | Someone's surveying a lot of different ethics.
00:09:02.640 | The thing it did, a lot of which is fine,
00:09:04.480 | it's just not my particular jam, is a lot of just,
00:09:07.760 | you know, let me as the author just think through hypothetical scenarios.
00:09:11.600 | And to me, that's not too interesting.
00:09:13.120 | But it was an impressive survey of a lot of existing theory.
00:09:16.720 | And it took the book I had read the month before, Moralizing Technology,
00:09:23.120 | which was more academic and had this really cool framework called Mediation Theory,
00:09:28.160 | which I talked about on the podcast, which I think
00:09:31.760 | Peter Paul Van Beek, who wrote this book, is on this.
00:09:33.600 | Something that is a fantastic normative theory framework for digital ethics.
00:09:37.200 | It should get more attention.
00:09:38.080 | The book I read next, Future Ethics, gave a really good summary of that,
00:09:42.880 | which actually helped me understand it better.
00:09:44.720 | So for that alone, I think I enjoyed Future Ethics.
00:09:47.440 | - Did you incorporate in that in your New Yorker article?
00:09:50.560 | - Which one are we talking about?
00:09:52.960 | Which New Yorker article?
00:09:53.760 | - The ethics one where you're talking about the digital
00:09:58.240 | and then you interviewed those different, you know, people.
00:10:01.040 | - Yeah, no, I haven't gone that far.
00:10:03.680 | Not really.
00:10:05.760 | I mean, I sort of obliquely mentioned some of these philosophical frameworks.
00:10:10.800 | - Because in that article, you gave, I think, five different examples of people
00:10:15.120 | you talked to about their view on.
00:10:16.880 | - Yeah, that's a good question.
00:10:19.040 | So this was the, I don't know if we talked about it on the podcast,
00:10:21.680 | but I wrote an article about Instagram, basically.
00:10:25.920 | Well, kids and social media.
00:10:28.320 | And the title was something like the question we're not asking
00:10:32.240 | about teenagers and social media, because, I mean, again,
00:10:34.720 | I've talked about this on the show before,
00:10:36.240 | but it always strikes me to the degree that the coverage
00:10:43.760 | of anti-social media coverage, the sort of standard media response
00:10:48.720 | to social media from both sides of the political spectrum,
00:10:50.800 | completely sidesteps the issue almost always of
00:10:54.400 | what should our personal relationship be to these tools?
00:10:58.000 | And so there was this leak, there's this whistleblower,
00:11:02.000 | and she leaked some internal data from Facebook
00:11:05.520 | where they were interviewing teenage girls who were saying,
00:11:08.080 | "This technology makes me unhappy, makes me anxious,
00:11:12.720 | increases suicidal ideation, makes me feel bad about myself."
00:11:16.400 | And it was something like a third of the people they interviewed
00:11:18.640 | were reporting this, right?
00:11:19.760 | And so that's bad.
00:11:22.320 | None of the coverage said, "Okay, so maybe teenagers shouldn't use it."
00:11:27.680 | All the coverage right now is so fixed on just,
00:11:29.440 | "Facebook is our political enemy.
00:11:32.160 | We need to control them and punish them and get them to do what we want to do,"
00:11:35.200 | which is all fine, but also we need to have the other conversation of,
00:11:37.920 | "And should we maybe not use these?
00:11:39.920 | Or maybe teenagers should not use these?
00:11:41.280 | Or maybe we should rethink our relationship to these tools?"
00:11:44.800 | So yeah, I wrote a piece where I was investigating that question,
00:11:47.600 | and I interviewed four experts.
00:11:48.800 | None of those experts are really philosophers, I guess, is the issue.
00:11:52.880 | They're more practical.
00:11:54.560 | This is more in the weeds, this philosophy.
00:11:58.080 | But I want to try to bring some of this out of the weeds
00:12:01.760 | with some of my future writing.
00:12:02.960 | I think there's some really smart thinking going on
00:12:04.720 | about understanding technology from an ethical perspective.
00:12:07.520 | And I'm pretty convinced this mediation theory that Peter Paul Verbeek has pushed
00:12:14.720 | describes digital minimalism.
00:12:18.640 | That digital minimalism, the philosophy in that book,
00:12:21.360 | is actually a real-world instantiation of that philosophy, accidentally.
00:12:27.360 | So I didn't know about that philosophy, but I think it is.
00:12:29.680 | So I'm thinking about writing an academic piece where
00:12:32.880 | talk about this practical theoretical dyads,
00:12:37.360 | where how do you take these philosophical frameworks,
00:12:41.920 | which are kind of complicated.
00:12:43.200 | I mean, mediation theory uses late-stage Foucault,
00:12:45.680 | and it's not super general public-friendly.
00:12:50.640 | But digital minimalism takes the core ideas
00:12:52.560 | and makes it very general public-friendly.
00:12:54.480 | Maybe we should be doing more of that and be thinking,
00:12:56.080 | how does that actually work as an academic process?
00:12:58.560 | So I'm thinking about that.
00:13:00.160 | All right, so then I did another hard turn.
00:13:02.400 | So after Future Ethics, I finished a book I had started over the summer called K,
00:13:07.200 | the letter K.
00:13:07.920 | It was subtitled as something like
00:13:11.440 | The History of Baseball in Five Pitches, maybe 10 pitches.
00:13:18.720 | But it's one chapter per pitch, fastball, curveball.
00:13:23.200 | And it's a history of that pitch in the sport
00:13:28.480 | and kind of the influence it had on the sport.
00:13:30.080 | - That's cool.
00:13:31.600 | Can you identify all the pitches when you're watching on TV with their phone?
00:13:35.920 | - No. - Neither can I.
00:13:36.720 | - No, I'm always impressed by the announcers.
00:13:38.640 | - Yeah. - Yeah.
00:13:39.600 | - A lot of them played for so long, I think that's part of it.
00:13:43.600 | Well, it's definitely part of it.
00:13:44.480 | - Well, I learned from this book, it's pretty subtle, right?
00:13:46.960 | Because, I mean, curveballs are easy, fastball is easy,
00:13:52.000 | but the off-speed stuff is all, you know, is it cut?
00:13:56.240 | Is it a slider? Is it a change-up?
00:14:01.440 | I mean, I don't know.
00:14:02.800 | I got pretty good at Max Scherzer and Steven Strasberg's pitches
00:14:08.480 | because they had, you know, Strasberg's change-up was very demonstrable.
00:14:14.160 | It would just, the floor would open.
00:14:17.360 | It would just go offstage through a trap door,
00:14:19.120 | seemingly six inches in front of the bat.
00:14:21.120 | And Scherzer had a slider that just would, like,
00:14:24.000 | someone had a rope and just would pull this thing
00:14:26.720 | as it was coming towards the hitter.
00:14:29.520 | And Strasberg's curveball would, like,
00:14:34.160 | basically be 20 feet above the player's head
00:14:36.720 | and then come back down again for a strike.
00:14:40.320 | So I could kind of register those,
00:14:44.000 | though we're not allowed to mention Max Scherzer's name on this podcast anymore.
00:14:46.400 | I was just going to ask you about that.
00:14:47.840 | We're not allowed to mention his name.
00:14:49.120 | I think your next guest should be Steven Cohen
00:14:50.880 | and ask him how, you know, what his thought process were in signing him.
00:14:54.480 | Look, man, for $43 million a year,
00:14:56.240 | I'm not going to complain that Scherzer went to the Mets.
00:14:58.240 | And I found out, so I have more sympathy.
00:15:00.080 | So for non-baseball people, the Mets are in our division.
00:15:02.720 | We play them all the time.
00:15:04.560 | But Scherzer's oldest kid, I think, is staying in school here in D.C.
00:15:08.240 | So it's one of the reasons he wanted to stay in the Northeast Corridor.
00:15:11.600 | So now he can see his kids more.
00:15:14.080 | And he's getting $43 million a year.
00:15:15.760 | So I'm not mad at Scherzer.
00:15:17.040 | And I'm not mad at the Nationals.
00:15:18.320 | They should not be paying $43 million a year this year for Scherzer.
00:15:21.920 | But still, still, I mean, I still had a hard time this year
00:15:28.320 | seeing Bryce Harper play for the Phillies.
00:15:29.920 | So it's going to take me some time.
00:15:32.240 | All right.
00:15:32.960 | All right.
00:15:33.200 | But that's in, this is literally insider baseball.
00:15:36.080 | All right.
00:15:37.760 | So final book was, I have it here actually,
00:15:40.480 | it's called Number by Tobias Danzig.
00:15:43.600 | This is a book written in the 1930s.
00:15:47.600 | Yeah.
00:15:49.280 | And it has a cover quote from Albert Einstein.
00:15:54.880 | So like, as blurbs go, I think that's pretty impressive.
00:15:58.240 | Here's what, it's a cool book, but here's why I'm embarrassed.
00:16:01.600 | I'm going to explain to you why I'm embarrassed.
00:16:03.200 | So I got this book, I got it from, I got it for free from a free library.
00:16:06.240 | A 1954 edition of this book that first came out in 1930.
00:16:10.160 | Albert Einstein quote, it's a book about a cultural history of numbers.
00:16:13.360 | So it's a cool book.
00:16:14.160 | It gets a little mathy towards the end, but it's a cool book.
00:16:16.240 | But I get this book and I'm thinking, this is cool.
00:16:19.520 | This is from the fifties, you know, and the version I have,
00:16:24.160 | and it's from a different time and it's really interesting.
00:16:26.160 | And I'm thinking, you know, I should, I should collect like old editions of books.
00:16:31.600 | Like this would be a good hobby for me is get early editions of books or first
00:16:36.400 | editions of books. It seems like it, like it makes a lot of sense.
00:16:39.760 | And then this is what happened.
00:16:42.240 | So the viewer at home doesn't see this.
00:16:46.400 | I ripped the cover off.
00:16:47.760 | So maybe I should not be trusted.
00:16:49.760 | Maybe I should not be trusted to collect rare books.
00:16:52.640 | This beautiful 1950 copy.
00:16:54.160 | I ripped the cover off by accident.
00:16:55.680 | So I don't know, maybe I should stick with things that are less, less damaging, but good book.
00:17:01.280 | All right.
00:17:02.800 | So that's my report.
00:17:03.520 | What do you think, Jesse?
00:17:04.480 | So when you go into the, when you bear down and get the
00:17:07.200 | reading done, when you're getting to the end of a book, what does that look like?
00:17:10.960 | Um, I mean, are you reading for like five hours nonstop?
00:17:15.040 | Like no, I'll do, yeah, I'll do like hour sessions or like 90 minute sessions and I'll put aside
00:17:22.560 | time, you know, like specifically to do it.
00:17:24.400 | Like I'll take an hour out of my day to just like go and read.
00:17:27.520 | Like I start getting hungry for the time or I'll decide that what the family needs tonight is
00:17:32.320 | reading time, which my kids love, like we're all going to read.
00:17:35.920 | So yeah, it's just like, I started doing a lot more of it, but I just, I'm just about to finish
00:17:43.120 | my first December book and I'm honing in on the second.
00:17:45.600 | So I have a good, I have good head of steam.
00:17:47.040 | This is the recording this on the 3rd of December.
00:17:49.120 | So I'm getting my first book done in the first few days.
00:17:52.400 | And so it feels good.
00:17:53.760 | One other question.
00:17:54.720 | Do you count sometimes audio books with these?
00:17:57.680 | Yeah.
00:17:57.920 | Spielberg was an audio book.
00:17:59.280 | Okay.
00:17:59.760 | Yeah.
00:18:00.160 | So every month, the five that you have one's an audio book or usually.
00:18:04.000 | Yeah.
00:18:04.960 | So during the little league season, I was making a lot more progress because there's a lot of just
00:18:09.440 | sitting at fields while my son was doing practice or baseball.
00:18:12.960 | And then I could really get a lot of audio book time.
00:18:14.960 | So now it's a little harder because it's not little league season anymore, but I'm almost
00:18:19.760 | done with a George Lucas biography that I started right after the Spielberg biography.
00:18:23.120 | And that's audio.
00:18:24.160 | It's like, I'll probably finish that up in my ears at some point during this month.
00:18:28.400 | So just for the audience, can you give like your thought process on the audio
00:18:31.600 | versus reading same thing or.
00:18:33.280 | Yeah, it's for me, it has to be a very specific type of book.
00:18:37.920 | If it's a business slash biography, like if it's about business for whatever reason,
00:18:45.040 | or like a business type biography, like a director or a CEO and it's their life or Disney.
00:18:51.120 | I did a lot of the Disney stuff and I went down that rabbit hole was audio.
00:18:53.920 | That is very good for me to listen to.
00:18:56.400 | I can't do novels.
00:18:57.600 | I can't do more serious nonfiction.
00:18:59.040 | There's like a very small number of things I can actually do in audio.
00:19:02.000 | So I usually stick it for like bio businessy type stuff.
00:19:04.960 | All right, so there you have it.
00:19:08.000 | All that is the, that's the November reading list.
00:19:10.480 | Hopefully everyone else has their own target, whatever it is they're going for.
00:19:14.640 | And let's wrap this up and move on to some questions.