Underground_History_Lesson_With_John_Taylor_Gatto

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00:00:40.300 | Alright.

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00:00:43.300 | I'm going to slate.

00:00:45.300 | It's a day with John Taylor Gatto, roll three.

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00:00:54.300 | I dropped my handkerchief.

00:00:57.300 | When we left off, we were talking about how the committees were investigating the foundations.

00:01:04.300 | So there was a Cox committee, there was a Reese committee,

00:01:06.300 | they were looking into the origins of the education system and what is it really doing

00:01:12.300 | versus what do people need to survive and thrive in this world.

00:01:16.300 | And they discovered there was more than a crevasse, more than a Grand Canyon.

00:01:23.300 | There was a gap between what we need to survive and thrive and be successful entrepreneurs

00:01:28.300 | pursuing the American dream with a real hope of attaining it versus being a servile class.

00:01:34.300 | And these committees kind of snapshot it and said that there's some foundations

00:01:37.300 | and there's some things in action and they're trying to evoke real change

00:01:41.300 | and they're going after our children.

00:01:43.300 | They were puzzled because they detected an agenda,

00:01:50.300 | but they couldn't figure the agenda out.

00:01:54.300 | And with the second commission, the Reese, a firestorm broke loose.

00:02:02.300 | In fact, Reese was never able to finish thanks to the chief counsel.

00:02:08.300 | Was that Cox?

00:02:09.300 | The chief counsel, well I know there was a lawyer involved with the Reese committee,

00:02:12.300 | Catherine Casey, who was the lawyer sent by Norman Dodd to go into the archives

00:02:17.300 | of the Carnegie Foundation.

00:02:20.300 | And after being brought up in a traditional status quo education,

00:02:24.300 | she went there and saw the actual minutes and the words of these men in these meetings

00:02:28.300 | planning on how to take over this country and to take over the diplomacy and power of war.

00:02:33.300 | Was Dodd the chief counsel for Reese?

00:02:37.300 | Dodd was the chief researcher.

00:02:39.300 | He was out of J.P. Morgan earlier and he had said,

00:02:42.300 | "You guys need to return to sound banking."

00:02:44.300 | And they said, "Norm, we're going to let you go."

00:02:46.300 | And then Carol Reese had called him up and said,

00:02:48.300 | "Norm, we want you to head up research because we think --"

00:02:51.300 | What they were describing is communist activity from my research,

00:02:54.300 | like in the comprehensive sense.

00:02:56.300 | Well, they didn't see clearly.

00:02:58.300 | That was the bet noire of the moment.

00:03:02.300 | And so that was the easiest way to organize,

00:03:08.300 | but it was something far, far more profound than communism.

00:03:14.300 | Yes.

00:03:16.300 | Right.

00:03:17.300 | So that gets back into Pestalozzi, Lavater,

00:03:21.300 | other people who were intellectual elites who joined clubs.

00:03:25.300 | It's like the Bavarian Illuminati was one such club

00:03:29.300 | that has a lot of the intellectual elite of the area getting together,

00:03:33.300 | and in their drawing rooms, they're drawing out the plans for other people's lives.

00:03:37.300 | And they basically, when you look at the origins of our education system in America,

00:03:41.300 | it goes directly back to Adam Weisshoff's plans,

00:03:44.300 | which are planned on earlier plans,

00:03:46.300 | but still there is an organized effort to go after our education system.

00:03:50.300 | Well, there's one more recent than that.

00:03:54.300 | There was the Metaphysical Club at Harvard right around the turn of the 20th century,

00:04:02.300 | and it contained such muscular figures as William James,

00:04:09.300 | who is the reason we have a course in college's academic psychology.

00:04:16.300 | That's James' prestige brought that in, and James was a kind of--

00:04:24.300 | he had a ligature to Wundt, although Wundt intimidated James a bit,

00:04:32.300 | because he wrote so much and so copiously about everything.

00:04:37.300 | In the Metaphysical Club, besides William James, was John Dewey,

00:04:43.300 | Oliver Wendell Holmes, and a number of other of the shapers of 20th century American institutions.

00:04:54.300 | The most important figure, though, is not known to many people.

00:05:01.300 | He's perhaps the last major philosopher human history has produced.

00:05:10.300 | He was--it's pronounced Pears, but it's spelled as if it were Pierce.

00:05:18.300 | Charles S. Pierce, a strange figure, a part-time lecturer at Harvard,

00:05:26.300 | created the pragmatic philosophy that William James was probably the chief distributor of.

00:05:36.300 | But your key man's Pierce, because he's much less--how would I put it?

00:05:44.300 | He's much more direct than James.

00:05:47.300 | James comes from a long intellectual tradition, a genteel tradition,

00:05:54.300 | and in a sense, James knows just what to say in every situation.

00:06:00.300 | Pierce is very nakedly describing that pragmatism--he doesn't make this connection, but I have--

00:06:11.300 | is very similar to the Old Norse religion that said, "Praise Ice when crossed, a woman on her deathbed."

00:06:20.300 | In other words, no predeterminations until you see performance.

00:06:26.300 | Pierce said that truth and justice flatly do not exist.

00:06:35.300 | This was picked up, by the way, by Oliver Wendell Holmes,

00:06:39.300 | who then said truth and justice are what the strongest members of society say they are,

00:06:48.300 | and any sane judge decides a case before he hears the arguments,

00:06:56.300 | because you don't want to rattle the framework of society.

00:07:01.300 | I mean, this is big-time radicalism.

00:07:06.300 | Of course, they didn't see it that way at all.

00:07:09.300 | They saw it as nitty-gritty truth, and all these superstitious, sentimental additions had occluded the fact

00:07:20.300 | justice is what strong people say it is.

00:07:24.300 | Truth is the same thing.

00:07:27.300 | So that's an evolution of Kantian philosophy, where they remove cause and effect,

00:07:32.300 | and then their irrationality can be rationalized.

00:07:35.300 | Yes, of course, they left out Kant's...

00:07:40.300 | Is it...

00:07:43.300 | It's one of the three critiques.

00:07:46.300 | Probably the best intellectual defense for the existence of God is from Kant.

00:07:56.300 | That was inconvenient for this group.

00:08:00.300 | But pragmatism, if you now connect pragmatism with the concept of justified sinning from Calvin,

00:08:10.300 | you have an absolute blank check in any situation to invent truth, invent justice,

00:08:18.300 | sacrifice biologically inconsequential people, and invent any excuse for doing that you want.

00:08:29.300 | It seems to me that's been the driving force in American affairs for a long, long time there.

00:08:42.300 | But interestingly enough, it's been the driving force of an intellectual elite, I believe through history.

00:08:51.300 | It's just they didn't have the dominance that technology gave them.

00:08:59.300 | Well, Bertrand Russell has this quote.

00:09:01.300 | He's often misquoted, but when you actually read the book, the sentence starts with,

00:09:05.300 | I'll paraphrase, "As Fischt would have wanted, the purpose of education is to remove individuality

00:09:12.300 | and self-reliance and all these other things."

00:09:15.300 | The idea was that Bertrand Russell was noticing that what Fischt in the 19th century was trying to do,

00:09:22.300 | but didn't have the technology to do, that they now in the Norbert Wiener, Bertrand Russell era of the 20th century,

00:09:29.300 | now had the ability to mass mind control billions of people at the same time.

00:09:34.300 | It's all done on a basis of irrationality, a denial of cause and effect.

00:09:39.300 | That goes back, you can start looking at where the influence of utopia took place and took root

00:09:46.300 | in Francis Bacon with New Atlantis and how it goes up.

00:09:50.300 | Then it's just formalized by some people using other jargon, psychology in the 20th century, the pragmatism.

00:09:57.300 | It's all just, they want to do what they want to do anyway,

00:10:00.300 | and they just keep using education to say, "Well, this is a good reason why we're doing this."

00:10:05.300 | Yeah, yeah, yeah. Well, here we are then.

00:10:11.300 | What thoughts do you have about the amount of people on the origins of this country that were literate

00:10:17.300 | versus the amount of people that are literate today?

00:10:20.300 | It's quite fascinating because the political census of Connecticut, I believe it was 1690,

00:10:31.300 | but don't hold me to that, very, very early on, showed a population that was,

00:10:37.300 | for all practical purposes, entirely literate.

00:10:42.300 | We also have the more than circumstantial evidence.

00:10:48.300 | If you simply look at the popular writing in early colonial times,

00:10:54.300 | it's taught in a seminar level in colleges today.

00:10:59.300 | As well-known a novel as Fenimore Cooper's Last of the Mohicans is, in truth, unreadable by college.

00:11:13.300 | Not because he's not a skillful writer, but the allusions to science, politics, history of all sorts

00:11:26.300 | is so comprehensive and interwoven that the allusions themselves defeat an ordinary reader,

00:11:35.300 | including an ordinary college reader.

00:11:39.300 | The book I saw in your bathroom, Common Sense, sold 600,000, sold in a population of 3 million.

00:11:55.300 | You know, a country that was half serf, slave, and now you can find it on seminar level in Princeton and University of Chicago.

00:12:11.300 | Because so many people were literate at the origins of this country, they were able to publish these pamphlets.

00:12:17.300 | So when you'd have propaganda on behalf of the elector of Hanover, better known as the King of England,

00:12:24.300 | and you had these retorts by Thomas Paine, who's not from America, he emigrated here,

00:12:31.300 | and he doesn't have a formal education, but somehow he figures out how to put things together for himself

00:12:37.300 | and speak in a way such that the common person can really get something from this.

00:12:41.300 | And it's not so much his aspect, his propaganda, he's propagating an idea,

00:12:48.300 | but just describe the effect that just being able to have the printing press

00:12:52.300 | and somebody who could pick up these ideas without being through their formal schooling

00:12:57.300 | has the power to change and influence a country and inspire revolution, etc., etc.

00:13:02.300 | Oh yes. And in Paine's case, what he had mastered is even today when I tell kids it's priceless to master.

00:13:15.300 | No complexity of ideas can't in fact, with the pains on the part of the speaker, the writer,

00:13:25.300 | be reduced to plain talk and speech without harming the delicacy of the idea.

00:13:34.300 | And Paine really hit that on the button. He's quite a model in a sense.

00:13:41.300 | It's like if you want to write adventure stories, you want to read Edgar Rice Burroughs

00:13:47.300 | and the Tarzan books and the Mars books, because you're just propelled from beginning to end

00:13:55.300 | on a somewhat more rarefied level. Dickens had that ability.

00:14:01.300 | And of course it could be distributed wholesale, but doing that would hand weapons to people

00:14:10.300 | you don't want to be able to be heard.

00:14:14.300 | You know, when you teach people to speak and think in academies,

00:14:21.300 | you reduce their effectiveness to their associates.

00:14:27.300 | So yeah, no, we had some very productive experiments in mass literacy,

00:14:39.300 | including a phrase, a label that's vanished from use.

00:14:46.300 | There was constant talk of something called the act of literacy.

00:14:51.300 | As long as you read well, you can develop original thinking, but you can't communicate it.

00:15:02.300 | But to be able to master spoken speech, you can talk to anybody

00:15:08.300 | and they can actually understand what you're saying,

00:15:11.300 | or written speech were known as the act of literacies.

00:15:15.300 | The British government made those a crime, a prisonable offense to teach ordinary people.

00:15:24.300 | The act of literacy is not reading because you want your flunkies to be able to read

00:15:31.300 | so they can follow your orders, so you can go and play golf or go fishing.

00:15:37.300 | But to actually communicate dissident thinking and writing, you can reach way beyond yourself.

00:15:46.300 | So the act of literacies are, you find in the handful of elite private boarding schools,

00:15:56.300 | this tradition preserved.

00:15:59.300 | In fact, in the academy tradition all over the world, there's a clear understanding

00:16:06.300 | that to be able to blink your eyes and knock off 300 words on anything at all,

00:16:13.300 | including a subject you know nothing about, is de rigueur.

00:16:17.300 | And so it is to be able to speak fluently, even on things you don't, where you can see.

00:16:26.300 | And I would love to know how it was done.

00:16:29.300 | The current president is masterful, not just good, he's masterful to nuances of speech

00:16:38.300 | that can only happen, doesn't happen naturally.

00:16:42.300 | There. Where on earth was that training?

00:16:46.300 | There are little figures he uses that have fancy Latin names to them there.

00:16:54.300 | And of course, Bill Clinton was no slouch, but he comes out of a populist preacher tradition

00:17:04.300 | and is masterful with what he does.

00:17:08.300 | But the other is a formally trained science of speech.

00:17:17.300 | And I listened to the modulations, you know, you can shift from one idiom to another.

00:17:23.300 | And I said, somebody with this odd background all over the world, who's my daddy, who's my mommy,

00:17:33.300 | you know, something intervened there.

00:17:37.300 | It's no accident, by the way, that Bill Clinton suddenly emerges from a state

00:17:42.300 | in which Rockefeller is the governor.

00:17:48.300 | Who was Bill Clinton's mentor?

00:17:53.300 | Well, he has a variety of mentors, the very fact that he steered into Yale,

00:17:58.300 | which is probably of the elite universities, the one that keeps the class tradition,

00:18:09.300 | the British class tradition, most actively alive.

00:18:13.300 | In fact, they all fled from Harvard when the Unitarians took over and are talking,

00:18:21.300 | you know, we're all in this together.

00:18:25.300 | So they bailed out of Harvard, headed west, dropped the biggest load,

00:18:31.300 | no pun intended, in New Haven, but continued on a line that you can trace

00:18:38.300 | all the way across to Seattle, leaving behind traces of this brilliant class-based thought.

00:18:51.300 | I once, years ago, and don't ask me to reclaim it now, but I once actually did trace

00:18:58.300 | the movement from the evacuation of Harvard in about 185, 1810.

00:19:06.300 | What had happened was the Unitarians, who were one of the great heresies of,

00:19:12.300 | you know, the last 500 years, they worked out a way to initially convert

00:19:22.300 | to whatever religion had a church in the area, and then when they were the majority,

00:19:30.300 | they would vote the thing out of business, take the assets, and reopen as a Unitarian parish.

00:19:39.300 | The entire Massachusetts school committee, no accident, every last member was a Unitarian,

00:19:48.300 | even though there were less than 1% of the Massachusetts population,

00:19:53.300 | because they understood leverage.

00:19:56.300 | So, how you, the wolf, what is the symbol of the Fabian Socialists in Britain?

00:20:04.820 | It's the wolf in sheep's clothing.

00:20:09.740 | They have a big laugh at how easy it is.

00:20:13.940 | You know, to fool...

00:20:14.940 | The funny thing is that Kitty Mugridge, no, no, no, excuse me, Beatrice Webb, who is really

00:20:26.460 | Fabian Socialism, she carried her husband around, but Beatrice is the welfare state

00:20:32.980 | architect.

00:20:34.860 | She was the niece of Herbert Spencer, the most articulate intellectual racist in human

00:20:45.660 | history.

00:20:46.660 | Roothog, or Die, she sat with him on his deathbed for six weeks, and both of them agreed they

00:20:59.040 | were after the identical goals, but by different means.

00:21:06.220 | He said, "Exterminate the brutes," the famous line from Heart of Darkness, and she said,

00:21:14.300 | "Kill them with kindness."

00:21:17.140 | You know, I noticed you had Ayn Rand on your shelf.

00:21:21.340 | The idea of taking care of somebody else, apart from the innocent charitable thing,

00:21:29.580 | is that you ruin them by doing that.

00:21:32.940 | It doesn't take very long to ruin them.

00:21:36.540 | So Beatrice Webb, the Fabian, and the great conservative Herbert Spencer, same bloodline,

00:21:45.780 | same goals, different methodology.

00:21:49.820 | Fabian Socialists also founded the London School of Economics, among many other things.

00:21:54.300 | Sydney and Beatrice Webb were working with Arthur Balfour in the Society for Psychical

00:21:59.660 | Research, I believe.

00:22:03.660 | One of the other characters that was spinning in that crowd was a guy named William T. Stead,

00:22:07.500 | who was editor of the Review of the Reviews, died in the Titanic, and was the editor-in-chief

00:22:13.140 | over that last Will and Testament of Cecil Johnson.

00:22:16.100 | Yeah, yeah, yeah.

00:22:17.900 | And of course, and I have no idea how he pronounced his name, but I would call it Stead, was the

00:22:25.860 | character in The Lady with the Black Leather, what was, oh, a sort of international spy

00:22:36.380 | series on television about 20 years ago.

00:22:40.060 | Diana Rigg was the female lead.

00:22:44.860 | And Stead was an inside joke.

00:22:51.500 | Kind of like the James Bond films are an inside joke to MI6 and Ian Fleming's whole career.

00:22:56.060 | And James Bond was an ornithologist, which is a bird watcher, which is what James Bond

00:23:00.260 | is.

00:23:01.260 | He's watching girls and playing this whole game for the De Beers cartel, which controls.

00:23:05.740 | And if you believe in justified sinning, that's what a license to kill is.

00:23:12.620 | As for Her Majesty or whoever.

00:23:15.340 | Well, and Thomas Paine had some words to write about, you know, where monarchies draw their

00:23:21.060 | idealistic power and who created crowns and these sort of ideas where somebody is born

00:23:26.660 | into a situation where they're allowed to rule over other people, and that's a collectivist

00:23:30.220 | mentality where they expect you to sacrifice yourself to the state.

00:23:34.580 | So Prussian schooling is definitely created to uphold that status quo.

00:23:40.060 | What is the equal and opposite?

00:23:41.360 | How do people transition themselves and remain individual and grow and learn and do these

00:23:46.420 | things for themselves?

00:23:47.420 | Well, I think there are a variety of smaller inspirations besides the fact that if you

00:23:58.100 | and I are correct, it's the natural instinct of people who sort of been made aware of the

00:24:06.860 | life and the arc of a life.

00:24:09.900 | But oddly enough, the congregationalists are very little white-spired, beautiful churches

00:24:19.580 | that once I believe you couldn't vote in this state unless you were one.

00:24:28.420 | They taught that the Presbyterians, as Milton said, "New Presbyter is but old priest writ

00:24:38.060 | large," because they met together once a year.

00:24:43.580 | And he said, "That will ruin you having this collective mentality."

00:24:49.580 | The congregation is sovereign in a real congregationalist church.

00:24:56.140 | I don't know how they've mutated through history.

00:25:00.300 | And the minister is simply the official of the moment to organize the back and forth.

00:25:10.260 | But the minute the minister becomes cheeky or out of line, out he goes.

00:25:15.140 | And usually if he asks for more money, because the minister is a functionary, the congregation

00:25:23.080 | gets the word directly from God.

00:25:26.140 | This is of course Martin Luther's enormous breakthrough, which he couldn't sustain.

00:25:34.580 | That what is probably the great freeing line in human history, every man his own priest.

00:25:46.300 | No organization is necessary.

00:25:48.940 | The communication is direct.

00:25:51.660 | Constitutions modified it and said there's some value in other people's opinion, but

00:25:57.220 | not too many other.

00:25:59.060 | The people who show up and donate to the church, yeah, we want to hear what they all have to

00:26:03.900 | say.

00:26:05.460 | But the minister, you know.

00:26:10.180 | So that was one source for a long time, these dissenting and independent religions that

00:26:19.540 | were unwelcome in Britain came here and there's so much space and it was so disorganized outside

00:26:27.380 | of cities.

00:26:28.380 | And we had this infinite splintering.

00:26:34.020 | So that was one.

00:26:35.500 | I think the scale of the country itself, which couldn't be really monitored until very recently.

00:26:45.700 | Long ago it occurred to me that when you have to depend on say horses, no telephones, no

00:26:55.100 | iPads, when you get about 20 miles from the center, they don't know what you're doing.

00:27:02.660 | Once a year, blue moon, they send somebody out and you say whatever the guy wants to

00:27:08.140 | hear.

00:27:09.780 | Back goes, it looks like everything's cool.

00:27:14.540 | That's how we had, there are no continuous governments in human history.

00:27:22.140 | None of them last very long and I'm sure it's because this ferment on the fringe, which

00:27:29.380 | isn't very far away, eventually is fatal to the idea that the hierarchy must be preserved.

00:27:40.660 | I think that's just a sign that there's so many people in this country.

00:27:43.260 | When things can get that obviously irrational, that there's just no intellectual self-defense,

00:27:48.460 | there's no one left to form a sentence, let alone a paragraph, let alone have the power

00:27:52.540 | to get it printed in front of millions of people anymore.

00:27:55.780 | And that's what I noticed.

00:27:56.780 | And no editor would dare print it anyway for fear the ads would dry up.

00:28:03.300 | Senator Oscar Calaway in 1917 addressed the Congress and he said that the JP Morgan interest,

00:28:08.980 | the shipbuilding powder interest, had all gotten together and bought the top, they placed

00:28:14.020 | editors at the top 25 newspapers in order to control the content on political policy

00:28:18.500 | and military policy.

00:28:20.700 | So that was really the declaration, the first origins of the Council on Foreign Relations,

00:28:24.900 | which goal is to kind of control and mold the minds of the masses using official experts

00:28:30.840 | and historians and-

00:28:32.020 | So these clues won't leak.

00:28:34.660 | How about Harry Truman's speech before the US Senate in 1942 denouncing the Rockefeller

00:28:44.100 | interest as traitors because they were selling oil to both sides.

00:28:51.460 | What he didn't know was that the Krupp cannon makers were doing the same thing, making the

00:28:58.540 | German cannon, selling them to the French or anyone else who would buy them.

00:29:03.300 | They had already become a virtual global society.

00:29:11.140 | But Truman's denunciation of the Rockefellers on the floor of the Senate, you would think

00:29:17.340 | that would be just elementary sharing with generations of school kids.

00:29:25.460 | No, it doesn't exist for all practical purposes, unless you're willing to sit in the, well,

00:29:32.060 | I generally sit in the library stacks and go through.

00:29:35.540 | I did that in Columbia.

00:29:39.100 | I said, "I'm going to find out," oh, no, I'm going back to 1958.

00:29:47.580 | So I got a stack pass.

00:29:49.580 | I've heard about stack pass.

00:29:51.620 | I'm down like in the sixth level.

00:29:54.380 | There's these huge stacks of popular magazines.

00:29:58.980 | You know, I'm interested to find out what the popular newspapers and magazines said

00:30:05.900 | about the Second World War before it started, for like the 90 days before it started.

00:30:13.820 | Let me tell you, to a publication, there not only was a certainty there was going to be

00:30:21.540 | war, but no worry at all, they all agreed that there was no ability on the part of any

00:30:30.100 | potential enemy to sustain a war, that all the gains would be right away, then they couldn't

00:30:36.660 | replace their losses.

00:30:40.300 | I noted that Quigley said, "Not only did the British start the war with a larger air force

00:30:47.500 | than the Germans and more advanced technologically, but they could replace their losses and the

00:30:55.420 | Germans couldn't and the Japs couldn't at all.

00:30:59.300 | So they ended the war with the same plane they began the war with."

00:31:03.740 | Well, this was understood before we had a war.

00:31:07.660 | This is a good way to get out of the depression.

00:31:10.500 | Good way to cow dissidents in the population always is to declare a national emergency.

00:31:17.620 | Then you have an excuse for foreclosing freedom of speech.

00:31:24.060 | What did Quigley do that was so unique or remarkable that no one else had done before?

00:31:28.300 | Well, what Carol Quigley, the head of the Foreign Service Department at Georgetown University,

00:31:36.020 | no marginal school, what he did was use his invitation to be the only human being ever

00:31:47.300 | invited to view the files of the Council on Foreign Relations, and I believe its predecessor

00:31:54.500 | also.

00:31:56.020 | What he did was to actually write a major piece of nonfiction.

00:32:02.860 | Must be 1,300 pages long, fairly small print, and he made the fatal mistake of being a superb

00:32:13.460 | writer and thinker so that it's accessible to anyone who gets a hold of a copy of the

00:32:21.180 | book.

00:32:22.540 | That was quite impossible beginning six months after the book was published, and I can just

00:32:30.220 | see the manuscript must have been this big.

00:32:33.420 | So an editor asked to vet the thing and make sure.

00:32:38.740 | Yeah, yeah, yeah.

00:32:40.500 | And after all, Georgetown, this guy's safe.

00:32:43.500 | Out it goes.

00:32:44.500 | Macmillan publishes it.

00:32:46.940 | Sells out instantly.

00:32:49.900 | Instantly.

00:32:52.100 | And any conspiracy theory you've ever heard of is documented, not as a conspiracy theory.

00:33:00.940 | Gives you the name, the date, the time, the actual letters.

00:33:05.860 | Good God.

00:33:07.300 | Well somebody got hung for that.

00:33:10.620 | Macmillan broke the plates, told Quigley there was no interest in the book at all.

00:33:18.580 | Broke the plate so it couldn't be reprinted.

00:33:22.500 | Quigley's on a tape recording right at the end of his life that's stored down in Georgetown

00:33:28.900 | in the stacks saying that they lied to him, that they had tons of who wouldn't want to

00:33:36.580 | read the book.

00:33:38.540 | I spent six months looking for a copy of the book and finally found one in the rare book

00:33:47.700 | room at New York University and had it stolen.

00:33:55.620 | And then a couple of months later, because I'd looked in so many cities, I got a call,

00:34:01.500 | mysterious call from a fellow, I think turned out to be a dentist, had a radio show.

00:34:09.460 | I know who he is.

00:34:10.460 | Okay.

00:34:11.460 | It's Stan Monti.

00:34:12.460 | Yeah, Stan Monti.

00:34:13.460 | He said, "I understand you're looking for a..."

00:34:16.740 | "Well," I said, "do you know where..."

00:34:20.140 | "Yes," he said, "I have some copies."

00:34:23.460 | Of course he had reprinted the copies.

00:34:27.980 | And after Monti, over the next couple of years, several other people had taken the Macmillan

00:34:39.100 | and reprinted it so much in fact that it became the basis for a growing number of aware people.

00:34:50.140 | They weren't sure what they were aware of other than that the story was not as delivered,

00:34:59.620 | not in junior high and not at Harvard.

00:35:02.140 | It was a different story.

00:35:04.540 | It was a story that could accommodate two fraternity brothers at Yale running against

00:35:11.500 | one another for president.

00:35:13.980 | The big agenda.

00:35:16.260 | But Quigley's real gift to the rest of us is his absolute mastery of prose and his really

00:35:26.580 | interesting mind and his confession that he agreed with the plot.

00:35:33.420 | He simply, as a good Roman Catholic, didn't apply it with the secrecy.

00:35:39.940 | He said, "I believe there's nothing anyone can do about this anyway."

00:35:46.420 | It was marvelous.

00:35:48.700 | I go back whenever I feel despair.

00:35:52.740 | And not an easy...

00:35:53.740 | I mean, it's an easy read because it's so well written, but it's a big chunk.

00:35:58.900 | He says, for example, that the only times liberty's ever appeared in human society is

00:36:07.540 | when the population is privately armed with deadly weapons.

00:36:14.660 | And to reach the acme of liberty, they have to have the same weapons available to them

00:36:21.620 | that the government has available to them.

00:36:25.900 | And yet we're not talking about some guy who rolls his collar up.

00:36:29.940 | We're talking about this internationally famous scholar.

00:36:35.380 | Well, at the beginning of the American Revolution, the people who were fighting against the British

00:36:41.700 | government had equal arms.

00:36:43.460 | They were landowners.

00:36:44.460 | They had an interest to fight over it.

00:36:46.700 | That stopped being equal in the 1930s with mechanized warfare and mass production because

00:36:52.700 | they've had Prussian education in place for 80 years, and now everyone's an obedient worker.

00:36:56.500 | And Omsk Spraka allows a lot of people to do things that they normally wouldn't do,

00:37:00.420 | but now it's part of their job, and now it's their responsibility, and now it's their duty.

00:37:03.740 | And all the things that Milgram drove home through his experiments.

00:37:06.140 | Look, these people will kill other people if you put a white coat on.

00:37:10.100 | Yes.

00:37:11.740 | Yes.

00:37:13.260 | Well, it's quite exciting.

00:37:17.500 | It's a hideous turn in human history, but it's quite exciting.

00:37:23.140 | The comprehensive surveillance mechanism prevents local groups from developing armament.

00:37:33.660 | These Arabs have done the only thing of which there isn't a successful defense, and that's

00:37:44.460 | to blow, just what the Japs did at the end of World War II, to blow themselves up, to

00:37:52.780 | blow babies up, to blow, not women very often, but still they're beginning to appear as human

00:38:00.700 | weapons.

00:38:02.500 | What you can do is suppress that activity, but you can't do it and say, "This is a free

00:38:09.660 | society and we're all in the game together."

00:38:14.700 | There are four copies, I think, of Tragedy and Hope around.

00:38:17.460 | Have you seen the first edition?

00:38:20.900 | I have, and I'm wondering when Macmillan has been forced to reprint it, very recently,

00:38:28.340 | the last year or two, and I'm wondering, you only have to delete key sections, still be

00:38:35.220 | a big book, to take the real sting out of it.

00:38:40.980 | I thought somebody with young eyes and a lot of stamina ought to sit with the original

00:38:47.460 | edition and the reprint just to make sure.

00:38:52.020 | So we're doing it tomorrow afternoon.

00:38:55.060 | We have a first edition and we have several other reprints and we're going to...

00:38:57.980 | So do let me know, because I have other people I'm trying to see the idea and I could say

00:39:05.420 | there's projects underway and why don't you send them a little check.

00:39:10.380 | Absolutely.

00:39:11.380 | What do you think about Quigley's book, Anglo-American Establishment?

00:39:14.740 | You know, I was, again, I was impressed by the thinking and the scholarship, but I think

00:39:23.660 | the presentation puts it beyond the reach, not beyond the understanding, but beyond the

00:39:32.820 | reach of ordinary people without a coach.

00:39:38.500 | And I do think we have a pressing need to find, without diluting the complexity, to

00:39:47.380 | find the idiom.

00:39:50.380 | I think I said to Rich earlier, it drives me insane.

00:39:56.540 | Things I've been rewriting for years because I'll try them out and I'll feel that an audience

00:40:04.340 | misses how that plugs in.

00:40:10.220 | It's almost as if the audience needs a little bit of, you know, re-inspiring their curiosity,

00:40:16.200 | but then giving them a methodology by which they can start to reignite their learning.

00:40:20.940 | And then once they bring their attention and consciousness up a little bit, then they can

00:40:24.260 | receive some of these other messages.

00:40:25.460 | In the meantime, we can be coaches and help them kind of get that.

00:40:30.860 | We mentioned this earlier, but the great favor Charles Darwin did for people like me is to

00:40:40.060 | indict the Irish as hopeless biology because my audience is a full Irish and I say, don't

00:40:47.100 | trust an old broken down school teacher.

00:40:50.620 | Pick the book up and go to the Irish sections because it's unmistakable his scorn and contempt

00:41:01.860 | to dismiss them as irredeemable.

00:41:05.380 | The Spanish is irredeemable.

00:41:07.940 | It's quite a little catalog of people, not Swedish blondes, mind you.

00:41:15.340 | No, Darwin does that because instead of observing how things actually work, they were trying

00:41:21.500 | to carry out an agenda.

00:41:22.940 | So he creates these ideas and he said under these ideas, you people can do what you want

00:41:26.620 | and it's going to make them hopeless.

00:41:28.060 | And if you think you're hopeless, then you're not really aspiring to climb up any ladder

00:41:32.180 | because there's no ladder because you've been told you're hopeless.

00:41:34.900 | And he gets them to basically self-amputate their curiosity and then they bring in compulsory

00:41:39.980 | schooling and that cauterizes the whole thing and they're like, you won't be curious anymore.

00:41:45.380 | I think Darwin himself had a lot of, and he's not innocent, but he had a lot of innocence

00:41:54.020 | in his character.

00:41:55.420 | Galton has none.

00:41:57.780 | None.

00:41:58.780 | Galton knows exactly where to drop these things to cause maximum damage and to institutionalize

00:42:07.980 | the anti-educational nature of school.

00:42:11.420 | Once it's institutionalized, nobody has to know what's going on.

00:42:16.500 | That's the way you make your living.

00:42:19.140 | If you were, for example, to extend the privileges of partial autonomy among school kids, you

00:42:29.900 | would shrink the establishment and that is no way to retain power or income.

00:42:40.100 | If you were to find substitutions for the purchased supposed improvements in curriculum,

00:42:50.380 | I mean the truth is superb education doesn't cost a penny to deliver.

00:42:58.860 | If you understand what it is, what you're aiming for, and what you can use, it's a lot

00:43:05.020 | easier if you have money, but what money's usually used for is to purchase layer after

00:43:13.240 | layer of interventions and those interventions prevent the educational result.

00:43:23.780 | Compare and contrast how Adam Smith felt about money and the earning of it to sustain oneself

00:43:29.620 | versus today where it's just earned to buy more and compulsory status symbols, conspicuous

00:43:38.380 | consumption.

00:43:39.380 | I must tell you, I used to be enough of a favorite at the Cato Institute that I was

00:43:47.540 | named the Secretary of Education in their shadow cabinet.

00:43:52.620 | That has to be, oh, that's when, did you know Marshall Fritz?

00:43:57.820 | No, I don't know Marshall Fritz.

00:43:59.500 | He was a legendary member.

00:44:05.340 | When I discovered what Adam Smith actually said, which I wouldn't deny the key people

00:44:13.220 | at Cato also know, I became very, very problematical because in theory of moral sentiments, Smith,

00:44:25.540 | I'm going to give a shorthand here.

00:44:28.420 | Smith says that to spend your time making money as a mark of insanity and what it'll

00:44:35.660 | buy you is a bad life, but we should be grateful to the people who do that because they assemble

00:44:43.620 | capital, they pay the biggest price and they create improvements for everybody else.

00:44:53.180 | I don't think the religion of libertarian capitalism wishes that complication to be

00:45:05.540 | well understood because there's no way to explain it away.

00:45:09.620 | Just as he's very clear that the peasant son and the Duke son are the same people, he's

00:45:14.740 | very, very clear.

00:45:16.360 | You got to be nuts to assemble capital.

00:45:22.820 | What lessons can we learn from Ben Franklin?

00:45:26.500 | Franklin's life is the best lesson.

00:45:29.420 | Franklin was such, I almost slipped into Pittsburgh profanity, but I won't.

00:45:40.140 | Franklin was not a morally nice human being in any way.

00:45:46.820 | In fact, his son broke off contact with him and never spoke to him again for 40 years

00:45:55.540 | for the rest of their life.

00:45:58.260 | So Franklin was the ultimate pragmatist.

00:46:02.260 | He masqueraded as a Quaker even though he had no ties whatsoever.

00:46:07.820 | The French who financed the revolution talked about this marvelous Quaker.

00:46:14.460 | I mean, he was like a national sensation over there and he didn't disguise in his dress.

00:46:21.740 | I mean, he camouflaged himself.

00:46:26.220 | He always walked a line where he could justify what he was doing.

00:46:33.180 | But his life is evidence from a huge, probably a lower middle class family, a candle maker.

00:46:43.140 | They always had food on the table, but his autobiography is worth its weight in gold

00:46:49.500 | many times because he explains how you can introduce the highest level curriculum imaginable

00:47:00.500 | to 10, 11 year old people.

00:47:03.900 | That his father, who had no touch with scholastic theory, would bring in every night a strange,

00:47:13.100 | stranger from the street, set an extra place at table so that the in-house culture could

00:47:23.140 | be infused with fresh input there.

00:47:29.660 | That he and his friends decided that without mastering high level written prose, there

00:47:40.180 | are opportunities, I mean, he's 11 years old and they say, "How are we going to get a big

00:47:46.620 | time literary style when nobody?"

00:47:53.860 | They take the New Yorker magazine of the day, the Tatler and the Spectator, written, read

00:48:02.100 | by only the most hoity-toity, and they rewrote the articles in their own words and then would

00:48:10.860 | present the rewrite to strangers and say, "Pardon me, sir.

00:48:15.940 | Could you tell me where this article might have come from?"

00:48:21.620 | And when everyone said, "Oh, that's Tatler or Spectator," they knew they had mastered

00:48:28.700 | that.

00:48:29.700 | Come on, they wouldn't do that at Harvard, Yale, and Princeton.

00:48:34.820 | These are 11, 12 year old boys and he's doing it while he's working a 60 hour week at labor

00:48:45.340 | and he's putting capital aside for his own business by selling beer to the printers at

00:48:54.020 | their lunch hour.

00:48:55.660 | How does he get to do that?

00:48:57.820 | He goes to the owner of the print shop and he says, "Look, you're letting these guys

00:49:03.180 | go for lunch.

00:49:04.180 | Some of them are coming back woozy, some of them are not coming back at all.

00:49:11.580 | Let me bring the buckets of beer in, make a penny, and they'll be chained to the machine."

00:49:20.020 | That's Ben Franklin, mind you.

00:49:22.980 | So his accomplishments, I mean, he's the reason we have a post office.

00:49:29.900 | He's the reason there's a University of Pennsylvania.

00:49:34.180 | He's probably the reason the German isn't a co-evil in Pennsylvania because all these

00:49:45.180 | little German pottish groups were not speaking English any more than they could get by with

00:49:54.580 | and he found ways to put political pressure and penalties on them if their kids weren't

00:50:03.940 | surrendered to English training.

00:50:07.460 | Now he's a miraculous example of what nobody can do if they know what to do and have some

00:50:18.940 | discipline, mind you.

00:50:22.140 | I would say nobody should not read Franklin's autobiography very, very slowly.

00:50:30.540 | Do not read it for the story but for the details and you have a formula that anybody could

00:50:38.500 | use.

00:50:40.340 | So there's for Ben Franklin.

00:50:43.900 | What could a student learn from the life experiences, young life experiences of Thomas Edison?

00:50:50.780 | Well, Mr. Edison from New Jersey begged his mother not to waste his time sending him to

00:51:02.820 | school.

00:51:03.820 | That's before he was 12 years old and to allow him to go west during the Civil War

00:51:11.540 | where opportunity was burgeoning and she let him do it a thousand miles from home.

00:51:20.740 | He became a train boy.

00:51:24.380 | That's the lowest job imaginable.

00:51:28.140 | You know, at whistle stops you go out and buy sodas or coffee.

00:51:35.300 | You know, you're everybody's factotum.

00:51:37.860 | But he talked the train into letting him put a broken down printing press in the boxcar

00:51:46.620 | and then during the Civil War, because he was able to connect things into new realities,

00:51:53.660 | he knew that the train stations got Civil War news at the same time the newspapers did.

00:52:03.380 | But the newspapers didn't come out to certain hours.

00:52:07.340 | He used his printing press to run current Civil War news.

00:52:12.300 | Instead of auctioning off children at the whistle stops, he sold the Grand Trunk Herald.

00:52:21.980 | And because he wasn't the nicest guy in the world, he varied the price from a nickel to

00:52:27.220 | a quarter depending on what the audience could pay.

00:52:32.300 | He put together a substantial stake that founded his own.

00:52:39.860 | Plus, he used the stake in the years he was doing this to start three businesses, each

00:52:49.900 | one of which depended on the advantage he had by going up and down the Michigan length

00:53:01.060 | there.

00:53:02.060 | Now let me see, I'm years away from, one of them, one of them was that he could distribute

00:53:13.700 | magazines and newspapers free.

00:53:17.180 | He'd just pick them up at some drop point and he could put anyone out of business because

00:53:23.380 | he didn't really have to charge much to do that.

00:53:28.100 | There were a couple of other, I think one was a food business so that when he ran out

00:53:34.220 | to get something for the passengers, he was the owner of the business.

00:53:38.660 | And there was a third one.

00:53:41.380 | He of course has 1,007 patents.

00:53:46.860 | Without a day in college, in fact, when he founded GE, it wasn't called GE, that's what

00:53:52.620 | it became, he made the test for hiring executive staff so hard that he used to laugh and say

00:54:01.980 | nobody with a college degree can pass this test.

00:54:06.980 | Now notice if all of this documented history was, and it's your birthright, if this were

00:54:15.980 | shared with you in third grade and fourth grade and fifth grade, notice that you would

00:54:21.380 | arrive at the age of 12 with a whole different idea of what your prospects were rather than

00:54:29.500 | your hands shaking because you got a C on your report card and that probably would doom

00:54:35.580 | your career.

00:54:36.580 | I mean, it's a colossal crime and I'm speaking now as a detective story fan.

00:54:49.220 | I'm staying away from the moral high ground here because it's so far beyond what we define

00:55:00.940 | as good and evil.

00:55:03.500 | And for the people who do this, it is good because as Darwin's Malthus, as Thomas Malthus

00:55:14.100 | says clearly in his essay, climbing the mountain, the high ground, the moral mountain, he says

00:55:22.980 | it's a kindness.

00:55:24.620 | These people are doomed to such miserable lives that to hasten their demise is a great

00:55:33.220 | kindness to them.

00:55:35.420 | You work them to death, you starve them.

00:55:40.460 | You're doing God's work.

00:55:42.540 | He of course was a parson of the Church of England, which Charles was trained to be,

00:55:52.140 | but left in Galton.

00:55:57.460 | We had people like Lippman and Bernays who recognized that people were inherently irrational.

00:56:03.500 | And instead of trying to teach them critical thinking, they say, let's use fear and confusion

00:56:08.060 | to control them even more.

00:56:09.740 | And Spinoza as the author of that, get a hold of there around a translation of Tractatus

00:56:21.620 | Religio Politicus published in 1690.

00:56:26.580 | And any outlook you have on Spinoza will change radically.

00:56:33.140 | You're in the hands of a man who could put Adolf Hitler and his high command in the shade.

00:56:40.540 | He had worked out all the ways.

00:56:43.300 | There weren't any escape loopholes.

00:56:46.420 | And he sold the plan to monarchs, you know, who had a long, hard slug to sell it to, you

00:56:57.580 | know, the traditional upper classes who still had scraps of morality, traditional morality.

00:57:07.020 | They still hadn't become justified sinners.

00:57:10.460 | Thomas Jefferson in Notes on the State of Virginia.

00:57:21.300 | He's trying to assemble, because Spinoza's ideas are already in America, he's trying

00:57:29.580 | to assemble the possible good use that could come out of an institution of schooling.

00:57:39.380 | That's why shallow teacher college texts say that Jefferson was one of the pioneers.

00:57:47.140 | But what Jefferson said was that unless five things are done, it will be a mere secular

00:57:57.540 | religion.

00:57:58.540 | And as soon as I saw that Spinoza's direct positive program to get rid of emotional religion,

00:58:08.940 | that's a wild card.

00:58:11.540 | Secular religion's okay.

00:58:12.780 | And that's what the Church of England did.

00:58:16.340 | Wasn't inspired.

00:58:17.980 | Men sat around in committees and figured out what God would want.

00:58:23.540 | We have one minute left on this tape for today.

00:58:29.260 | My question would be in the last minute, who was Niccolo Machiavelli and why should every

00:58:34.660 | school child take a gander at what?

00:58:37.340 | You've got to take a gander at Machiavelli.

00:58:41.980 | Machiavelli was a Florentine at a time when Italy wasn't a unified nation.

00:58:50.740 | It was a collection of powerful city-states, or at least some were.

00:58:55.700 | And Florence was one of the most powerful, but it had important rivals.

00:59:02.620 | And Machiavelli, he was a middle-level politician, call him.

00:59:10.580 | And he was ambitious.

00:59:12.540 | So he wanted to, it was the famous Borgia.

00:59:17.180 | Cesare Borgia and Medici.

00:59:20.780 | He wanted to do what Henry Kissinger did, is to establish himself as a fountain of utility

00:59:30.340 | for the Borgias.

00:59:32.420 | And he really had an excellent mind.

00:59:36.260 | And it's hard to tell what his character was because he has other books that are rather

00:59:41.500 | morally grounded.

00:59:43.260 | But for the first time in history, the secrets that have been talked about in drawing rooms,

00:59:53.260 | maybe leaked a little bit like Hobbes' Leviathan there, suddenly it was an unbroken presentation

01:00:03.900 | of how the prince should maintain and enlarge his power there.

01:00:12.060 | It electrified the planet.

01:00:16.500 | First of all, the people who already knew these things were ticked.

01:00:23.540 | And the people who suspected them were put in a moral quandary of buying.

01:00:30.500 | Now it would be a deliberate choice.

01:00:33.900 | But for the great unwashed and for the religious power that represented them, here was, and

01:00:43.660 | his name was after all, Nick.

01:00:46.580 | There was old Nick.

01:00:55.060 | We could give us ten years and no one could pass through school without being aware of

01:01:04.060 | these high or low points in the creation of their own society.

01:01:11.740 | Then at least they would have choices.

01:01:17.780 | And I know some would choose to sell on.

01:01:20.620 | But others, because of that romantic quality in the young, that's why we send them over

01:01:28.460 | to get blown up, would they do what they did in the 60s?

01:01:35.660 | It's a turning point in American history.

01:01:40.340 | After national policy...

01:01:42.980 | I'll just mark where we are.

01:01:51.940 | Remind me tomorrow, I'll do this.

01:01:54.580 | After national policy was contradicted by the riffraff in colleges and high schools,

01:02:03.740 | word went out that was never to happen again.

01:02:09.500 | A group called the Trilateral Commission published a book, they subsidized it, NYU, it's worth

01:02:18.220 | picking up, it's called The Crisis of Democracy, 1975.

01:02:24.940 | And in shorthand, the crisis is, if the people take it seriously, we've got trouble on our

01:02:33.060 | hands.

01:02:34.660 | So we've got to hide power and how decisions are made even more rigorously than they've

01:02:42.460 | done in the past.

01:02:43.460 | Just like Hobbes said, power is never where it seems to be.

01:02:50.140 | It's never there.

01:02:52.020 | Those are always the, you know, the black catch.

01:02:56.260 | If only Hobbes was writing for the average person, if only the person was literate, if

01:03:00.500 | only they had critical thinking so that their literacy didn't make them a slave.

01:03:06.860 | Yeah, it makes you think of people like Hobbes.

01:03:09.700 | Oh, it's just another book.

01:03:11.420 | It's a man's book.

01:03:13.420 | That's his opinion.

01:03:14.420 | Well, he was the advisor to the king, and the book stayed in print, you know, for 450

01:03:24.340 | years.

01:03:26.100 | It's actually in the great books.

01:03:29.700 | It's in with Machiavelli.

01:03:30.700 | Machiavelli and Hobbes, volume 23.

01:03:31.700 | From that set over there.

01:03:32.700 | It's the great books of the Western world.

01:03:33.700 | It's written by Chicago.

01:03:34.700 | I was accepted to the University of Chicago when I was in sophomore in high school.

01:03:49.300 | My mother wouldn't let me go, and my uncle graduated from there.

01:04:13.700 | It's all good for right now.

01:04:15.820 | Some won't be up there.

01:04:16.820 | I just wanted to make sure.

01:04:17.820 | [slap]

01:04:18.820 | That was loud and clear.

01:04:21.820 | All right.

01:04:22.820 | First, I would like to present you with a book.

01:04:26.580 | Not that you don't have enough books, but this particular book was written by a friend

01:04:31.940 | of Thomas Beckett, and he wrote it for Thomas Beckett.

01:04:34.980 | For Thomas Beckett didn't have, in this author's opinion, enough intellectual self-defense

01:04:40.940 | to do what he was doing, and he was trying to help him out.

01:04:43.900 | His name is John of Salisbury, and it was written in the 12th century.

01:04:48.380 | I thought, if there was such a thing as reincarnation, this guy reminds me of you, and that you would

01:04:53.660 | greatly enjoy this book.

01:04:55.460 | I will read it with pleasure.

01:04:57.700 | 12th century defense of logic and reason in a time of irrationality.

01:05:04.900 | I took the liberty of, just in the prologue, I marked a couple pages there that has some,

01:05:10.580 | there's a couple quotes in there where he basically lays out why he's doing it.

01:05:13.820 | I thought, I got a chuckle out of it, and I thought you could always use a good laugh

01:05:17.940 | now and then.

01:05:18.940 | This will be the very next thing I read.

01:05:24.940 | All right.

01:05:27.020 | Now I have one last bit of housekeeping.

01:05:31.420 | Let me see.

01:05:36.340 | If you could read that to the camera while, at the same time, holding this mug, and it'll

01:05:41.820 | be the intro for the episode.

01:05:46.540 | Or you can change it however you like.

01:05:49.020 | Give me the high sign.

01:05:51.020 | Hi, I'm John Taylor Gatto, and this is What You've Been Missing.

01:05:58.060 | Awesome.

01:05:59.580 | Yesterday the name of R. Gordon Watson came up, and you raised your eyebrows.

01:06:03.820 | What does that name mean to you?

01:06:05.620 | Well, it means to me, Soma, the magic mushroom, and that Watson wasn't some fringe nut, but

01:06:16.660 | some Wall Street heavy hitter.

01:06:23.020 | I read it with great pleasure, not once, but until it fell apart.

01:06:29.580 | Before you leave today, I have a DVD for you.

01:06:31.620 | I just have to burn it.

01:06:32.620 | I have the folder made and everything, and in there I put Watson's Russia, Mushrooms,

01:06:36.540 | and History book, which is very hard to find on PDF.

01:06:39.020 | I just thought you'd get a kick out of it.

01:06:40.220 | I will get a big kick out of it.

01:06:43.100 | What does the name Antony Sutton mean to you?

01:06:46.700 | Actually, I corresponded briefly with Sutton.

01:06:52.540 | He made the contact after he read Underground History, and his books about the rise of Wall

01:07:03.300 | Street and the rise of the Soviet Union and Wall Street and the rise of Nazism were important

01:07:10.180 | parts in a slow process of overcoming my own skepticism.

01:07:17.820 | I mean, I had all the pieces.

01:07:21.300 | I had many of the pieces, rather, but they seemed to add up to a reality that I could

01:07:28.060 | find no hint of recognition of.

01:07:34.100 | In the copious reading I had done and kept current, why weren't there any references

01:07:43.780 | to this at all?

01:07:45.780 | For occasionally when someone like Ramsey Clark would seem to breach the wall of security,

01:07:55.620 | Ramsey was toast.

01:07:57.940 | He was marginalized.

01:07:59.580 | No one ever mentioned Ramsey again.

01:08:02.740 | He wasn't a guest on any show.

01:08:05.060 | Well, the same thing happened to Sutton because he worked for the Hoover Institute at Stanford

01:08:10.060 | University, which is very prestigious, and then once they started reading his work, they're

01:08:13.860 | like, "You can't write this."

01:08:15.380 | He said, "That's the ticket out of here.

01:08:17.180 | I must go find out what's going on."

01:08:19.300 | I think he wrote nine or more books on these various subjects.

01:08:23.500 | When you see how Wall Street funded the Bolsheviks and Wall Street was funding the Nazis and

01:08:27.540 | the Bushes and the Harrimans and all those families that were also eugenicists and the

01:08:32.260 | ones that want to do compulsory schooling and tell you what to do with your kids and

01:08:35.260 | all these other things, there's a very small-knit group.

01:08:38.620 | Once you try to understand the philosophy of what makes them the utopians that are trying

01:08:42.460 | to shape everyone else's lives and violate their volition, I thought it was like that's

01:08:48.500 | overwhelming to discover that, but then you discover someone like Lysander Spooner or

01:08:53.180 | Bastiat, Frederick Bastiat, and read the book The Law, and it's so simple, and yet if you

01:08:57.540 | don't understand the simplicity, it's easy for these other groups to take it away from

01:09:00.660 | us.

01:09:01.660 | Yes.

01:09:02.660 | Very easy to marginalize as, "Oh, it's time for this nonsense."

01:09:08.300 | I mentioned in our session yesterday that as I was poking around for other reasons in

01:09:18.540 | the history of American adoption, I kept running into the people who were the architects of

01:09:26.180 | American schooling, and I said, "What possible correspondence?"

01:09:34.500 | The chapter in underground history, Daughters of the Barons of Runnymede, is actually a

01:09:41.260 | kind of lens into my brain trying to prove to myself there was some sense in following

01:09:51.620 | this road.

01:09:54.100 | If the heirs of the people who fought at Runnymede had maintained an 850-year continuity, and

01:10:04.540 | then I found other organizations that had, I said, "It's possible that someone with an

01:10:11.700 | agenda other than this."

01:10:17.060 | So who was Ignatius Loyola?

01:10:20.380 | Well, Loyola was the founder of the Army of Jesus, the Jesuits who penetrated the Reformation

01:10:34.620 | and eventually produced the phenomenon in the history records as the Counter-Reformation.

01:10:41.340 | They slowed the momentum down because the Reformation really is founded, although Calvin

01:10:49.500 | is the eminence Gris.

01:10:53.940 | Luther's "Every man his own priest" is this wild declaration of radicalism.

01:11:04.020 | To get rid of the religious priesthood is to get rid of all middlemen, yes.

01:11:11.300 | There were many countries that outlawed the Jesuits in the late 1700s, and one of those

01:11:16.020 | was the province or electorate of Bavaria.

01:11:19.580 | And then there was a Jesuit professor of canon law named Adam Beischaupt who created a group.

01:11:25.020 | What influence specifically has that group had on the education system?

01:11:30.460 | Well, to pursue that line would require so many illusions.

01:11:39.740 | I prefer not to enter an area where I can't field the hardest questions with substantive

01:11:50.500 | facts, but certainly the sense of powers behind the scenes is very, very strong.

01:12:00.020 | Let me give you a few specifics.

01:12:05.540 | It's been clear since the beginning of standardized testing that the tests do not predict, and

01:12:15.340 | the best American, the most prestigious American universities have either dismissed it or kept

01:12:24.060 | it in pro forma place.

01:12:26.740 | But actually, as Harvard and Princeton told me, it's not a significant determinant.

01:12:34.580 | They just don't want to rock the boat, the glue that holds this pyramid together.

01:12:42.020 | They don't predict then why is 10% of the school year and school budget devoted to exerting

01:12:51.660 | stress on so many millions of people and through the children, their families, and why does

01:12:59.740 | so many innocently ignorant school teachers say this will determine your future when it

01:13:08.020 | only does if you convince yourself that it determines your future?

01:13:14.580 | It has no predictive power at all other than to signal this is someone who will memorize

01:13:22.660 | whatever you ask him to memorize.

01:13:26.020 | This is a useful skill, an anti-skill.

01:13:29.740 | In the book, the Leipzig Connection, Basics in Education, toward the end of the book after

01:13:34.020 | talking about Pestalozzi, it talks about Pestalozzi's mentor, who was Johann Caspar Lavater, who

01:13:39.140 | was working and experimenting on Swiss lower privileged children in a universal schooling

01:13:45.260 | system.

01:13:46.260 | He was also a grandmaster of the Illuminati.

01:13:47.940 | So since Pestalozzi and Lavater and all these other key figures that were in the Prussian

01:13:52.580 | education system were also members of the Prussian Illuminati, it just seemed natural

01:13:57.420 | to see the takeover and undermining of nationhood of our society, the taking away of our identity

01:14:04.260 | through the school system is also making we as a nation incoherent.

01:14:09.020 | It just seems like there is a very militaristic strategy that's been in place a long time.

01:14:14.020 | Notice what the specific mechanism is.

01:14:18.180 | It's an artificial extension of childhood, theoretically to the grave, but certainly

01:14:25.580 | beyond the point where learning anything is easy.

01:14:31.180 | As long as you indulge childish fears and childish appetites long enough, you've effectively

01:14:38.500 | rendered somebody harmless.

01:14:44.020 | You can see it in its crudest form in the military, in the training of recruits, or

01:14:52.020 | in fraternities in the hazing of freshmen.

01:14:55.980 | But actually, yesterday I hope we talked about Richard Branson and the turning point of his

01:15:06.700 | life at age four when his mother drops him miles from home.

01:15:13.900 | But most of human history anywhere on the planet, childhood is over by the age of seven.

01:15:22.060 | And even in the most permissive cultures, it's over by the age of 11 or 12.

01:15:31.580 | People are, even in our own country at the beginning of the 20th century, a substantial

01:15:40.260 | number of young women at the age of 13 were married or becoming married.

01:15:46.900 | I'm thinking in particular of, I'm thinking of an 18 volume History of the World that

01:15:58.060 | used to be for 20 years the premium of Book of the Month Club, written by a husband and

01:16:06.300 | wife team.

01:16:08.860 | And still a rather respectable history in an inside historian say, "It's not bad history.

01:16:16.500 | It's very, very."

01:16:17.500 | >> They also do a history of philosophy set?

01:16:20.220 | >> Yes.

01:16:21.220 | >> I have it.

01:16:22.220 | Gino Denning just sent it to me last week.

01:16:23.540 | I just scanned in.

01:16:24.540 | It's on my desk if you want to go get it.

01:16:28.180 | All we need is the last name and it'll trigger.

01:16:33.100 | In any case, the fellow who had been trained, I think at UChicago as a historian, marries

01:16:42.820 | his wife who becomes his co-writer and-- >> Will Durant.

01:16:47.020 | >> Will Durant and Ariel.

01:16:49.740 | Ariel was either 13 or 15.

01:16:55.780 | There's a dispute on the internet about how she wasn't older than 15.

01:17:01.740 | And I suspect she was 13 when they married.

01:17:04.740 | Was Will some form of sexual oppressor?

01:17:09.580 | No.

01:17:10.580 | Instead of going to junior high school, Ariel studied professional historiography and its

01:17:18.220 | protocols.

01:17:20.180 | And she was a full partner in the writing.

01:17:22.820 | And Will died, pre-deceased her 10 years.

01:17:26.740 | And she continued to lecture, having begun her productive life when people began their

01:17:36.300 | productive lives.

01:17:38.260 | To extend this to the late teens or beyond the late teens is to fly in the face of the

01:17:47.540 | first admiral in American history being in charge of a warship.

01:17:53.500 | >> Farragut.

01:17:54.500 | >> Farragut at the age of 12.

01:17:57.220 | Or George Washington being the surveyor of Culpeper County, Virginia in his mid-teens.

01:18:07.180 | >> Very entrepreneurial attitudes that they have.

01:18:08.900 | >> Or Jefferson running a plantation, his parents both dead, 250 employees.

01:18:17.260 | He's 12 or 13.

01:18:19.300 | But these examples go on and on and on.

01:18:23.580 | Why have we marginalized the young who, whatever they lack in experience, more than make up

01:18:32.940 | for in resilience, in acuity, they bring new eyes to old situations, which is the secret

01:18:40.220 | of scientific invention.

01:18:43.580 | So it's done because they're the most dangerous.

01:18:47.580 | They're the least overlaid with these conditioning.

01:18:54.020 | And of course, that must have been understood way, way back in history.

01:18:58.220 | Alexander the Great, after all.

01:19:01.020 | >> You're noticing, you're observing that values have changed since the time of our

01:19:04.060 | founding fathers who were literate, autonomous, entrepreneurial.

01:19:08.180 | They also grew hemp.

01:19:09.420 | They knew the value of hemp.

01:19:10.900 | >> How about George?

01:19:12.540 | He did it for medicinal purposes, so I assume it wasn't.

01:19:18.500 | >> And Jefferson traveled the planet collecting different strains, and they had contests,

01:19:22.620 | and they wrote letters about their, "Hey, I've grown this strain, and it does this."

01:19:26.740 | And they're competing.

01:19:27.900 | And so the fact that you're not taught about this in school, and the role that hemp played

01:19:32.660 | in making the sales and the clothing and everything was hemp dependent.

01:19:36.700 | >> Or to miraculous fiber.

01:19:39.460 | There are some rather sober accounts of the lengths to which the Hearst family went, because

01:19:47.900 | they were the largest forest owners in the country.

01:19:51.700 | They supplied the wood pulp for newspapers.

01:19:55.060 | But hemp newspapers are infinitely superior to wood pulp.

01:20:00.900 | So they moved heaven and earth to create the narrative of re-ferment.

01:20:10.140 | >> So if we're using wood pulp paper to make books these days, we're not only killing trees

01:20:15.260 | which eat CO2 and produce oxygen to make paper towels and toilet paper and all these other

01:20:21.620 | things beyond books.

01:20:22.860 | But I noticed that a lot of the books that are printed recently, the pages are disintegrating.

01:20:26.940 | And when you get old books from the 1800s, 1700s that are printed on hemp paper, they're

01:20:32.220 | still pretty existent.

01:20:33.940 | We have a Johnson's Dictionary from 1848, and it's not printed on the same wood pulp

01:20:39.540 | acid paper that we have today.

01:20:41.900 | So can you comment on ... They undermine education, but they're also undermining just our ability

01:20:47.860 | to get our hands on the books to educate ourselves, closing libraries and using types of paper

01:20:52.300 | that basically turn to dust.

01:20:54.460 | >> Oh, yes.

01:20:57.380 | Since I've been in college in the '50s, there's been a prevailing wise guy ethic that you

01:21:08.260 | don't actually need to read these old books because there are plenty of abstracts, digests

01:21:15.780 | of these old books in existence, and that will give you the guts of the old book.

01:21:22.380 | Well, let's take Marcus Aurelius' Meditations.

01:21:27.460 | What the digests don't give you is the wealthiest, most powerful man in the world.

01:21:33.060 | I mean, I don't know if that confluence has ever existed after Aurelius saying that nothing

01:21:40.300 | you can buy is worth having and nobody you can order around with your power is worth

01:21:46.540 | associating with.

01:21:48.580 | It's a rather acid ...

01:21:52.740 | >> So how old were you when you first met Marcus Aurelius?

01:21:55.580 | >> I was initially in translation in sixth grade in a coal mining town in western Pennsylvania

01:22:07.020 | where it was offered in translation, and of course, it's eminently readable.

01:22:13.620 | And then in ninth grade, there was an option of reading it in Latin or doing something

01:22:20.460 | else.

01:22:21.820 | So my mother insisted that I read it, Julius Caesar in Latin, "Gauleis omnis tuis in parte

01:22:31.380 | stres," at 75, or "Coram unum in colon belgio."

01:22:36.740 | I had to memorize the early part of it.

01:22:41.420 | But Caesar's Gallic Wars isn't some old piece of fustian that, you know, if you're an elitist,

01:22:49.780 | you read to plug into the ancient world.

01:22:52.500 | It establishes the principle that a weaker force can whip a larger force by dividing.

01:23:01.100 | >> And being better prepared.

01:23:02.620 | >> Yeah.

01:23:03.620 | You can set the larger force against one another.

01:23:08.060 | And you see that in schooling, the ordinary classes are set against one another by constant

01:23:17.820 | meaningless testing and small inconsequential prizes being given to the people who test

01:23:28.100 | best and wiggle their hands in the air so that the ordinary classes are divided for

01:23:35.060 | a period of 12 years through meaningless competition.

01:23:41.180 | I noticed when I was in basic training in the Army and was told that I was going to

01:23:48.620 | learn in three hours how to take a rifle with 57 parts of blindfold and put it back together,

01:23:57.780 | I knew that I could not do that.

01:24:00.420 | I knew I could not do that.

01:24:02.940 | And yet in a room with 500 other scared young people, we all did it.

01:24:13.060 | And they didn't say, and he finished first, you know, the important thing is what do we

01:24:21.100 | learn that's enhanced by competition?

01:24:25.780 | I mean, what real do we learn?

01:24:30.020 | It gets in the way because now your rank becomes a factor rather than the quality of what you've

01:24:38.740 | learned.

01:24:39.740 | I made these ideas clear to 13-year-olds at all times and found that after about 90 days,

01:24:50.940 | they became as addicted to ideas and the whys of things as I was.

01:24:59.740 | Never a new idea would emerge in the classroom.

01:25:04.060 | This is quite literally true.

01:25:06.860 | I would grab a piece of chalk and write it on the wall.

01:25:10.980 | I'd climb a ladder, write it on the ceiling.

01:25:14.580 | Inside of that first 90 days, there were hundreds of digestive ideas everywhere.

01:25:21.300 | On the floors when there was no room left.

01:25:26.460 | On the backsides of the room, I had world maps and national maps and I could leap up

01:25:34.300 | and point to the origin of the idea as we know it or simultaneously they came.

01:25:41.020 | As I say, it was roughly 90 days when classes that were considered the stupidest, people

01:25:49.700 | who'd never eaten off a tablecloth in their life were actually, they were hot to talk

01:25:58.020 | about ideas.

01:26:02.300 | We couldn't have that.

01:26:03.420 | How could we maintain the social order and the economic order if we had people who became

01:26:11.380 | fully alive when they were young and could get up when they're knocked down?

01:26:18.700 | I think a lot of the problem, it's very easy to assign this completely to sinister motives

01:26:27.420 | and there are certainly sinister motives at work.

01:26:30.940 | But I think part of it is the problem of how we would manage a society that didn't require

01:26:40.140 | managing.

01:26:41.140 | I don't think anyone's been able to solve that problem.

01:26:46.340 | The early America probably did it better than anyone we have easy access to.

01:26:54.700 | I think it's not about anarchy.

01:26:56.620 | Anarchy is just a void or a vacuum of government.

01:26:58.620 | It's about being autonomous.

01:26:59.620 | If you take away the government, it doesn't automatically give people critical thinking

01:27:03.700 | or the self-reliance that they need and the compassionate communication that they need

01:27:08.180 | to work together with other people to achieve goals.

01:27:12.420 | Your explanation of how you learned the most powerful lesson of doing the impossible, you

01:27:17.140 | knew you couldn't do that and after an hour or so, you had just done something that you

01:27:21.220 | knew you couldn't do.

01:27:22.300 | I knew I couldn't do it.

01:27:23.740 | You took that experience and you taught younger people that they can do that because now they

01:27:28.080 | have more years.

01:27:29.080 | You had to be at least 18 to be in the army.

01:27:30.740 | Now you're teaching 13-year-olds that the things that you know you can't do, you don't

01:27:34.540 | really know that.

01:27:35.540 | Right.

01:27:36.540 | You need to get that up here first.

01:27:38.140 | Right.

01:27:39.140 | The other question that I would follow up with is, in your third interview on Gnostic

01:27:42.780 | Media with Jan Ervin, I heard you mention these words, "trivium" and "quadrivium."

01:27:47.580 | I thought it maybe is something that was off your radar, but you spoke eloquently about

01:27:52.100 | it.

01:27:53.180 | Where do you have familiarity with the trivium and quadrivium and what does it mean to you?

01:27:56.740 | I went to Jesuit boarding school in third grade.

01:28:03.100 | So I'm between the ages of seven and a half and eight and a half years old.

01:28:11.340 | The curriculum, reflecting back on it, which I first began to do 15, 20 years ago, the

01:28:22.420 | intellectual diet was not modified in any way for our tender years.

01:28:32.420 | And the devices of discipline and motivation that would be used in an authoritarian world,

01:28:45.940 | they were not cherry of using.

01:28:48.180 | But I do believe that their hearts were in the right place.

01:28:52.540 | I remember being humiliated, I told you privately about this yesterday, by a Jesuit brother

01:29:01.340 | from St. Vincent's College, which is across the street from Xavier Academy where I went

01:29:09.820 | and was beaten on a daily basis by the Ursuline nuns, sometimes for mispronouncing French

01:29:17.260 | there.

01:29:19.060 | But the brother was talking to us in the middle of the Second World War about the causes of

01:29:25.700 | the First World War.

01:29:27.340 | And he had written a list of causes on the board.

01:29:31.340 | I had a magnificent memory before Drink intervened.

01:29:36.740 | And he said, "Could somebody face the back of the room now and tell us all the causes?"

01:29:41.860 | And I, with my memory, I did, word for word.

01:29:48.580 | And he burst into a harsh kind of laughter and he said, "You fool, you believe me."

01:29:57.220 | He erased the board and said, "These are the causes of the war.

01:30:03.180 | Now could you do it?"

01:30:05.300 | And now, chastened, I did, a lot less confidently.

01:30:10.940 | And this time, the room exploded with his scorn.

01:30:15.540 | He did it again.

01:30:17.620 | He erased the board.

01:30:18.620 | He said, "You will never know the causes until you embed yourself into the primary documents

01:30:27.060 | and see how complicated a thing this is."

01:30:31.180 | That changed my life.

01:30:33.580 | I only wish I might have had a second year there.

01:30:38.460 | Before you can form your logical understanding, he said, you need to get in check with the

01:30:43.380 | knowledge, the actual grammar.

01:30:44.860 | What are the artifacts?

01:30:45.860 | Where do these things document?

01:30:46.860 | And what's the primary sources?

01:30:49.020 | And this probably has occurred to other groups, but the intellectual part of the universal

01:30:57.660 | Christian religion, the Catholic Church, had a respect for scholarship.

01:31:06.460 | And what happens as you collect data is that it forms itself into patterns.

01:31:15.420 | And if you record the patterns and test them to see that they hold true, eventually that

01:31:22.340 | suggests behaviors.

01:31:26.900 | So they created a two-formula, a basic formula, which Dorothy shares.

01:31:35.660 | And I'd urge all your listeners to read her essay, "The Lost Tools of Learning."

01:31:42.620 | She's a marvelous detective story writer.

01:31:46.460 | And the detective stories really aren't genre stories.

01:31:50.620 | They're a comedy of manners about the British upper classes.

01:31:57.460 | But the trivium was becoming comfortable with a pattern of thinking in which you could dispel

01:32:09.100 | confusion.

01:32:11.140 | And then the quadrivium was pushing it farther into specialized areas.

01:32:18.820 | One of the huge mistakes that schooling makes, even homeschooling, is to organize the agenda

01:32:32.140 | and the goals in terms of subject learnings, English, math, social studies, science, because

01:32:42.980 | those categories, while better than chaos, are so crude they tend to mask what you're

01:32:51.660 | actually after.

01:32:54.380 | Take the universal study of the English language.

01:32:59.780 | What you're after is a mastery of the written language, the spoken language, and your own

01:33:11.740 | writing.

01:33:13.780 | So you've got these three divisions.

01:33:16.660 | And now if you're after those things, your measurement's not through memory.

01:33:23.820 | It's through performance, which is so much more accurate, as we spoke about a little

01:33:30.980 | earlier in this session.

01:33:33.940 | The standardized tests aren't predictive, and every first-class university knows that.

01:33:41.220 | You don't select people because they scored here on the SATs or whatever other tests are

01:33:48.460 | administered because they end up disappointing you, and you waste people who actually--

01:33:56.900 | In real life, we don't use standardized tests to make decisions, whereas you actually do

01:34:01.020 | use the trivium to observe, to process that information, and to make informed decisions.

01:34:06.340 | Right.

01:34:07.780 | And while there are personal variants-- so I think the fundamental thing, as every philosopher

01:34:16.700 | in human history has said, is know yourself.

01:34:21.300 | This is the fundament.

01:34:23.620 | Now you can take principles like trivium and quadrivium, and you can do a personal adaptation

01:34:32.260 | of the-- you know how they will work for you.

01:34:37.100 | But the course I actually followed at the beginning was to say, I know this is not good

01:34:45.180 | for the kids I've been hired to teach, and where will I find an unerring structure?

01:34:53.060 | I said, obviously, it will be in the most expensive elite private boarding schools.

01:35:00.180 | So I made a 10-year study, although it paid off at the end of the first year, and I distilled

01:35:08.060 | the 12 secrets of the boarding school curriculum of power.

01:35:13.940 | Now I'm talking about not private schools versus public schools at all, because most

01:35:20.900 | private schools follow the template that public schools laid down.

01:35:26.180 | I'm talking about the inner circle 20 or so.

01:35:30.860 | Let me just name a few of them.

01:35:34.220 | I'm talking about Groton, where Franklin Delano Roosevelt emerged.

01:35:41.060 | I'm talking about St. Paul's, where the senator from Massachusetts who ran for president,

01:35:49.060 | the tall skinny guy John Kerry emerged.

01:35:52.500 | I'm talking about Andover, where the Bush family went.

01:35:57.060 | I'm talking about Choate, where John F. Kennedy emerged.

01:36:01.220 | I'm talking about one that not one person in 10,000 has ever heard of, Episcopal in

01:36:08.220 | Virginia, where John McCain, the populist, give me a break, emerged.

01:36:15.740 | I learned about Episcopal from the sports section of a newspaper.

01:36:22.660 | I'm looking for the next Pittsburgh Pirate to feed, and suddenly I see a tiny item that

01:36:30.020 | says it's the homecoming football game for Episcopal Prep School in Virginia.

01:36:37.780 | 25,000 alumni showed up.

01:36:40.660 | I said, "Boy, it's got to be a misprint."

01:36:43.900 | I mean, I can understand a thousand.

01:36:47.220 | 25,000 people came from all over the world for a high school alumni game.

01:36:54.740 | So now I start to look and I discover that Episcopal, it's the naked revelation of the

01:37:03.940 | importance of religious tradition in upscale education.

01:37:11.180 | Over half of the elite boarding schools in the country and all of the inner circle ones

01:37:18.780 | are grounded on religion, almost all on the Anglican religion, which isn't faith-based.

01:37:27.780 | It was put together by committees arguing about what must have been in God's mind.

01:37:36.220 | But also there's a respectable number that are Quaker-based.

01:37:40.540 | Now here we're talking about a tiny fraction of the population, no more than 100,000 people.

01:37:48.460 | It's produced in the 20th century, two presidents.

01:37:53.540 | How is that even possible?

01:37:56.060 | Statistically, what would a bookie say?

01:37:59.740 | The odds of this little splinter group who we all are taught are innocent and unworldly

01:38:07.700 | and pious.

01:38:11.540 | So anyway, so I got the 12, I'd like to, if possible, go through a few of these because

01:38:18.760 | I adapted them instantly to Harlem kids and almost immediately began to produce results.

01:38:28.580 | It was roughly 90 days because at first Harlem kids don't believe that anything useful to

01:38:35.260 | them is going to happen at a school.

01:38:38.580 | But after about 90 days, these kids start winning competitions with the inner circle

01:38:47.060 | kids of the Upper West Side of Manhattan.

01:38:49.940 | Instead of being amazed and wondered about, I'm called in and accused of child abuse.

01:39:00.580 | What on earth are these people doing?

01:39:03.660 | You must have written that for, I said, I will confess.

01:39:08.340 | I corrected the spelling and the punctuation.

01:39:12.340 | But that steel trap set of ideas proving the case is not mine.

01:39:17.820 | I'm not up to that standard there.

01:39:21.260 | So I began to get hot water ever since.

01:39:24.540 | Let me share a few of these.

01:39:27.820 | We all are vaguely aware that literacy is at the heart of an intellectual inner life.

01:39:37.940 | But what we don't understand is that prior to the First World War, literacy commonly

01:39:46.300 | was divided into passive literacy, reading, and active literacy, speaking and writing.

01:39:56.860 | And none of us are aware that in colonial days to teach active literacy to ordinary

01:40:04.220 | people was a crime.

01:40:07.420 | Why?

01:40:08.820 | Because reading, you're locked in your own head and you still have the benefit of being

01:40:14.100 | able to read the boss's instructions about what to do.

01:40:17.940 | But if you can speak well, as our current president can, or write well, you can reach

01:40:25.260 | way beyond your own skull and recruit allies.

01:40:32.340 | That's a no-no for ordinary people.

01:40:34.540 | They're supposed to be so inarticulate, or their writing will look so funny with ink

01:40:41.820 | blots and things in it that no one treats them seriously.

01:40:46.140 | So strong competencies in the active literacies are at the core of elite private boarding

01:40:54.580 | schools like Groton, St. Paul's, Choate, Lawrenceville, Gunnery, Hotchkiss.

01:41:03.900 | And each one of those schools, by the way, has some legendary tycoon as a patron, or

01:41:11.780 | sometimes more than one.

01:41:13.580 | Canton, Connecticut is J.P. Morgan's baby.

01:41:20.820 | And this is in no particular order.

01:41:24.300 | It's in all institutional forms.

01:41:28.220 | You're supposed to know the logic, the steps that we arrived at a prison system, or a library

01:41:36.220 | system, or all the other, the military system, obviously.

01:41:42.780 | Third, some of your listeners, watchers, viewers will be school teachers.

01:41:52.820 | And if you teach history or literature, you will run into a great deal of difficulty moving

01:42:02.380 | kids.

01:42:03.380 | But if you approach those subjects and share this with the kids, that what we're after

01:42:09.940 | here is not a good story or memorizing details from Jane Austen for the test.

01:42:17.420 | We're after a theory of human nature.

01:42:21.460 | And anyone who's written a book that lasts more than their own time has spent years closely

01:42:31.380 | observing people in interaction.

01:42:35.260 | And the trace left behind is an insight that you might spend a lifetime and never have.

01:42:42.480 | So that's what we're after, a theory of human nature drawn from history or philosophy or

01:42:50.300 | literature or law.

01:42:52.620 | Or the greatest trove that's unexamined is theology.

01:42:58.140 | I used to go to auctions and there'd be boxes of religious books, 50 cents or a dollar from

01:43:08.820 | a century ago.

01:43:10.980 | Nobody wanted them at auctions.

01:43:13.980 | But I bought them because they were cheap.

01:43:15.900 | And one day I have a barn in upstate New York.

01:43:19.220 | I picked one up idly and I was in the hands of an intense thinker who was drawing on all

01:43:29.020 | history and philosophy to create an insight into human nature there.

01:43:35.780 | And I said, "Interesting that theology is something that we don't regard at all if we're

01:43:43.860 | ordinary people."

01:43:46.060 | So a few other of the secrets of the boarding school curriculum of power, mastery of the

01:43:55.620 | social forms.

01:43:58.940 | And I would say it didn't take more than two days to take kids who had never eaten off

01:44:06.620 | a tablecloth and get them to see that the signs they give off when there's an egg glass

01:44:16.300 | spilled on the shirt or when they walk down the street listening to the radio or when

01:44:23.300 | they're too aggressive in approaching somebody shuts off opportunity.

01:44:30.580 | They're like little badges that I don't want to speak to that person.

01:44:35.220 | And a lot of what we consider as racial or ethnic prejudice is simply that the disguise

01:44:48.660 | of these social forms is unknown to the person who then is discriminated against.

01:44:55.940 | And I said, "Don't believe me."

01:44:58.540 | I said, "I'm going to instruct you in a superficial gloss of how to approach people and then the

01:45:08.860 | intellectual excuse we'll use is I'm sending you out of school for days to gather data

01:45:16.100 | for statistical processing.

01:45:19.020 | We're going to test the local comparison with what the New York Times says the nation is

01:45:27.660 | thinking.

01:45:28.660 | And I'll teach you the elementary statistics in one class session that you need."

01:45:35.260 | And it's a legitimate project.

01:45:37.940 | But meanwhile, you don't want to approach somebody and have them jump back or say, "If

01:45:43.580 | you don't get away from me, I'll call the police."

01:45:46.180 | And that's what you think will happen because of the overt racial prejudice on the liberal

01:45:52.580 | West Side of Manhattan.

01:45:54.460 | But it won't happen, I guarantee.

01:45:56.740 | Nor did it.

01:45:58.420 | Nor did it.

01:45:59.420 | The transition, I won't say it was 100%, but it surely was 80% simply from having a gloss

01:46:09.780 | on these social forms.

01:46:12.140 | And then this should tickle people watching this segment.

01:46:19.500 | Then suddenly I saw that the rules of access to the great institutions of New York City

01:46:29.060 | by young people, which required, let's say at the sub-treasury building where the gold

01:46:35.300 | is kept down in Wall Street, one teacher for every five students.

01:46:40.500 | Well, a public school class of 30 students, you're not going to muster six teachers.

01:46:47.900 | And I said to the kids, "How do they know you're not a teacher?"

01:46:51.620 | "Well, we're only 13."

01:46:54.460 | Nobody knows that.

01:46:55.940 | They know it because you're chewing gum with your mouth open.

01:46:59.740 | They know it because you're scratching your head.

01:47:02.340 | They know it because you slouch.

01:47:04.540 | They know it because you giggle.

01:47:06.940 | They know it because you carry a notebook that falls on the ground every few minutes

01:47:11.540 | and paper goes everywhere.

01:47:13.940 | Why don't we master what a college student who could be a student teacher, what signs

01:47:22.540 | they would give off.

01:47:23.820 | They'd carry a clipboard.

01:47:25.700 | They'd cock it at an arrogant angle on their hip.

01:47:29.620 | They would be slightly nasty in taking attendance every few minutes or saying, "When your mother

01:47:37.140 | hears about this, Jack."

01:47:40.460 | I said, "Let's see if we can pick five people out of this class and penetrate security at

01:47:48.340 | the sub-treasury building, at the mayor's office, anywhere.

01:47:54.100 | We were never caught, not once.

01:47:57.460 | Now, the Bronx Zoo says one for every 15 kids, but how are you going to even get two teachers

01:48:05.980 | to take kids to the Bronx Zoo there?"

01:48:08.860 | Well, it's easy if the kids can shift from being 13 to being arrogant college student

01:48:17.500 | teachers.

01:48:19.420 | Never caught in eight years of doing this.

01:48:23.780 | Well, that's real self-esteem.

01:48:24.780 | It gives them real confidence from experience.

01:48:26.860 | To be able to go into Columbia, sit in the back of a class and see what college is like

01:48:31.340 | before you have to go to college takes away a lot of anxiety.

01:48:34.220 | I don't know why you said that.

01:48:37.060 | Oh, okay.

01:48:39.100 | We were only 20 blocks from Columbia, and I have a degree from Columbia, so I understood

01:48:46.700 | that the law school classes, there are 300 people in these banks of seats.

01:48:53.020 | The only way, no one takes attendance there.

01:48:58.660 | Your grades on the tests are evidence of whether you've been attending or not.

01:49:05.620 | But if you sit there slouch and pulling gum out of your mouth, yeah, someone will say,

01:49:10.780 | "Who are you?"

01:49:12.820 | Never caught once.

01:49:17.380 | So our age, this artificial extension of childhood that we talked about at the beginning of this

01:49:25.900 | particular session, is a secret of crowd control where people become their own prisoners by

01:49:35.700 | adopting the cultural signs that they're immature or they're not of our group.

01:49:43.780 | And simply by seeing these things as languages, there isn't one English language, there are

01:49:51.700 | none that are modified according to the...

01:49:56.140 | Someone like Obama, how, I'm not sure, they understand this and they can shift effortlessly

01:50:04.460 | from one idiom to another.

01:50:06.140 | And I would say that to the kids.

01:50:09.820 | I would say, "Look, here's why you're reading English poetry."

01:50:15.660 | Now, there are a lot of reasons, but here's why we're doing it.

01:50:20.980 | You're going to find that the ordinary unit of meaning in the English language is three

01:50:28.260 | hard stresses long or sometimes four, but often it's two, three or four.

01:50:37.020 | But as you enter the realm of intellect and you have more to say or more nuances to say,

01:50:43.620 | you need larger units of meaning.

01:50:48.060 | Five, that's iambic pentameter.

01:50:51.740 | Even six, that's hexameters.

01:50:55.020 | The Greeks use seven septameters.

01:50:58.860 | And I want you to feel that and you'll feel it by reading and memorizing some of this

01:51:05.260 | poetry.

01:51:06.260 | You'll have the models built into your head to shift back and forth according to your

01:51:13.900 | audience there.

01:51:16.460 | Shakespeare to the ignorant writes iambic pentameter lines.

01:51:22.900 | And one of the reasons you don't want to even look at Shakespeare is all the lines seem

01:51:28.540 | to be pretty much the same length.

01:51:32.060 | But I'm going to teach you something that he knew four centuries ago.

01:51:38.320 | It looks like they're all the same length.

01:51:42.480 | But there's a breath pause in this speech after two heartbeats.

01:51:49.100 | The next breath pause is 12 before you've delivered your meaning, three, four.

01:51:56.580 | There's this inner jazz at work underneath this regular pattern.

01:52:04.440 | You can learn to do that once someone exposes the secret to you.

01:52:09.900 | That's half the game.

01:52:11.380 | And the other half of the game is simply building the models into yourself so you don't have

01:52:17.260 | to think, "Hmm, now here."

01:52:19.660 | And yet we use an exercise that if I tell you immediately turned horribly dull writers

01:52:30.820 | into at least modestly interesting writers, and it's totally mathematical, I said it'll

01:52:37.940 | take you a while to incorporate what I just said.

01:52:42.220 | So what I'm going to ask you to do is write one to 20 on 20 pieces of paper, put them

01:52:51.460 | in some sort of container and draw them out at random and then list what you've drawn

01:52:57.620 | out at random.

01:53:00.260 | And I said, "Now you're going home, not for homework, but to learn this massive skill.

01:53:06.620 | And you're going to write a paper on X subject, and if one is the first number that came out,

01:53:13.100 | the first sentence will be one word long, one beat long.

01:53:18.140 | If the second one is 20, it'll be 20 long."

01:53:22.980 | Immediately these horrible...

01:53:23.980 | Remember, I had to read 120 of these things at a time.

01:53:30.060 | And one of the reasons they were horrible is they were all... everyone had either a

01:53:35.580 | three or a four unit or a mixture in there.

01:53:40.060 | Now they had the kind of jams that readers aren't completely conscious of, but they record

01:53:48.420 | as something interesting about it, even when he's writing about a milk separator.

01:53:54.300 | And you as a filmmaker, remember Eisenstein's film of the peasants watching milk being separated

01:54:04.420 | on a Russian farm in the 1920s.

01:54:08.060 | Why is it so awfully interesting?

01:54:12.940 | Because he understood things that the eye is looking at the movement of light around

01:54:19.340 | the screen.

01:54:20.660 | It's looking at entrances and exits.

01:54:23.860 | Thirteen-year-old kids from Harlem can master these secrets just as well as 25-year-old

01:54:31.740 | Harvard students can.

01:54:33.940 | And then they become preternaturally sophisticated.

01:54:37.060 | What on earth?

01:54:40.380 | How do you know these things?

01:54:43.420 | Because they're our birthright.

01:54:45.260 | We're biologically equipped to learn this way unless somebody sticks their oar in and

01:54:54.500 | intervenes and says, "Read Jack London and memorize."

01:55:01.900 | That's the school system.

01:55:11.700 | We've all heard about the hardwood.

01:55:12.700 | What's going on with this girl?

01:55:13.700 | >> Okay, I just need you to, for a minute, if you could just reframe this camera because

01:55:17.580 | I think something happened.

01:55:18.580 | >> No, when I came in, the camera was moved.

01:55:19.580 | I guess someone was monitoring on it or something.

01:55:20.580 | >> Either way, I just want you to make sure that you focus.

01:55:26.380 | >> I think, and I won't be as windy and the rest, but I think that everyone will profit.

01:55:33.340 | And you'll see some evidences of the trivium at work here.

01:55:38.740 | These are the 12 secrets of the elite boarding school curriculum of power.

01:55:44.820 | Are we on yet?

01:55:45.820 | >> Just one second.

01:55:46.820 | We'll be back on.

01:55:47.820 | >> Because the next one- >> That's what people don't learn in public

01:55:52.460 | school, specifically what is different.

01:55:55.020 | They're doing this and this is about their success in life and managing the other people

01:55:58.780 | who don't know it.

01:55:59.780 | >> Oh, yeah.

01:56:00.780 | >> Right.

01:56:01.780 | >> So the next one will be an absolute eye-opener that took me about five years to tease out

01:56:09.980 | of the admissions procedures at Sarah Lawrence or the other inner circle colleges.

01:56:17.980 | >> You guys might as well do a tape change now.

01:56:22.380 | >> Yeah.

01:56:23.380 | >> No, mine's out.

01:56:24.380 | >> I'll turn these lights off.

01:56:25.380 | [BLANK_AUDIO]

01:56:35.380 | >> The 70, I have to do manually anyway.

01:56:47.380 | >> Okay, all right, cool.

01:56:48.380 | [BLANK_AUDIO]

01:56:52.380 | >> We've all heard about the hard way to learn, John.

01:56:55.380 | Is there an easy way to learn?

01:56:57.380 | >> If you begin and understand yourself thoroughly and you have a lot of raw experience, I think

01:57:10.340 | natural powers are released.

01:57:16.740 | And I do believe that all the graceful, easy learning comes from people who are comfortable

01:57:26.220 | inside their own skin because they understand and people who've had a lot of early experience.

01:57:36.820 | And I operated on those principles even though it was illegal in a public school setting.

01:57:44.780 | I set aside one full day a week.

01:57:50.140 | I won't get into the politics of how this was pulled off, but it was never easy, where

01:57:56.500 | the kids could follow their own instincts anywhere in New York City they wanted to go.

01:58:05.860 | One full day a week where I took them on group projects, different parts of the five boroughs

01:58:14.660 | in New York City, group projects that would end up with a tangible goal, such as testing.

01:58:24.900 | Remember, this one might amuse the people watching this.

01:58:33.500 | The New York Times announced on the front page about three weeks before the Ed Koch,

01:58:42.140 | Dave Dinkins election of, let me say, 1980, somewhere around there, that Dinkins was hopelessly

01:58:50.620 | behind by 17 points.

01:58:55.700 | And I had a black kid in the class come up and ask me why the city was so prejudiced.

01:59:02.540 | And I said, "Why do you say that?"

01:59:05.460 | And he said, "Well, look at this."

01:59:09.060 | And I said, "Why do you believe that's true?

01:59:13.380 | Maybe that's to get you not to go and vote."

01:59:16.260 | "I don't know," I said, "but I do know that it says here in small print that they only

01:59:23.380 | interviewed 300 people.

01:59:25.540 | There's 8 million of us."

01:59:28.900 | I said, "There's 120 people in my five classes.

01:59:33.820 | Of each one, you do 20 interviews, and we do it according to the way you get a random

01:59:41.980 | distribution, and that's easy enough to find out.

01:59:46.460 | Well, we can have many times larger samples than—"

01:59:51.980 | So that happened.

01:59:55.020 | We gathered the data.

01:59:57.620 | We processed it.

01:59:59.580 | And we discovered about a week after the Times said he was hopelessly behind that he actually

02:00:05.860 | was ahead by a fraction of one point.

02:00:11.460 | That's quite askew.

02:00:12.460 | The election came.

02:00:15.980 | He won in the closest race in New York history, but noticed that a random group of 120 13-year-olds

02:00:26.500 | had produced more accurate information.

02:00:30.540 | The math in the statistical processing is hardly daunting for a fifth grader.

02:00:39.820 | So why aren't the 70 million captive schoolchildren involved in, if nothing else, data gathering,

02:00:50.660 | since obviously it's a crucial part of commerce?

02:00:56.620 | Well, there must be a reason they're not used that way, nor do they hear about statistical

02:01:04.980 | sampling until they're in college, for the most part.

02:01:11.380 | Why not?

02:01:13.780 | According to Alfred North Whitehead, one of the major mathematicians of the 20th century,

02:01:22.940 | other than addition, subtraction, multiplication, and division, the only crucial piece of math

02:01:31.740 | for everyone to learn is statistical sampling predictions, because the society, the economies

02:01:40.540 | organized around those things, the politics is organized around those things.

02:01:45.780 | He said that in Aims of Education, which I think was published in the mid-1940s.

02:01:50.940 | Well, you know, 60 years have gone by, and where is it?

02:02:00.100 | He's hardly a radical.

02:02:03.700 | Is it possible to train fleas before you break their will?

02:02:07.620 | And what can one learn from the gene sequencing hobbies of 11-year-olds?

02:02:14.100 | I got a foundation award at a fancy hotel in Washington, D.C., I guess about 15 years

02:02:23.780 | ago.

02:02:24.780 | It was certainly a while ago.

02:02:28.940 | And sitting next to me was an 11-year-old boy receiving the same award from the foundation.

02:02:40.260 | And I mean, I was tickled.

02:02:42.060 | He was this little skinny Chinese kid, and he has made some scientific breakthroughs.

02:02:53.620 | So you know, I'm patronizing him the way I've been trained to do.

02:02:59.940 | And I said, "Well, how did you learn to sequence genes, you know, instead of swimming?"

02:03:08.820 | I'm a swimming champion.

02:03:09.820 | I remember he said that to me.

02:03:10.820 | I have a lot of medals.

02:03:11.820 | And he was a well-balanced 11-year-old kid.

02:03:16.940 | And these days, I understand he's a college professor in Seattle.

02:03:22.660 | But in any case, he said, "My uncle or my grandfather explained to me that the way you

02:03:34.060 | train fleas," he had a soft part in me because I used to go to Hubert's Flea Circus on 42nd

02:03:41.620 | Street and watch fleas draw Roman chariots and swing on trapezes.

02:03:46.740 | He said, "You've got to break their spirits.

02:03:50.140 | If you put fleas in a container, they'll instantly leap off and head off in all directions

02:03:57.420 | because they have flea agendas.

02:04:00.140 | And even they don't all off in the same direction.

02:04:02.620 | They have individual agendas."

02:04:05.220 | So he says, "You've got to break that autonomy in the flea first.

02:04:11.180 | And the way you do that is you put them in a container, small, with a lid on.

02:04:18.300 | And the fleas keep attempting to follow their own agenda.

02:04:24.940 | And they strike themselves over and over again.

02:04:27.460 | And if you come back in an hour or so, they're all huddled in a mass together.

02:04:34.100 | Now when you take the lid off, they don't even try to escape."

02:04:38.220 | Now he said, "You can impose your will on the flea."

02:04:43.180 | The minute the 11-year-old kid said that to me, I knew that I had been hired as the lid

02:04:51.140 | on the container.

02:04:53.260 | Not that I hadn't sabotaged it somewhat, but nevertheless, that's what we all had been

02:05:00.260 | hired to do.

02:05:02.300 | And this principle was understood.

02:05:05.340 | Training fleas was a delight of emperors thousands of years ago.

02:05:12.980 | And whoever trained those fleas understood the principle and saw they could be applied,

02:05:20.180 | as it is in military training, to human beings, as it is in much religious training.

02:05:29.420 | Not all, but much.

02:05:30.780 | So you've got a character like Wundt who believes that children have no soul, and he's designing

02:05:35.700 | an education system.

02:05:37.260 | And then you've got these Machiavellian techniques being layered in on top of it of how to break

02:05:41.800 | the will of animals, and it's being used to train our children.

02:05:45.500 | Yeah, what's surprising is that these insights and even these activities that don't depend

02:05:53.700 | on modern technology, these are understood a long time ago.

02:05:59.780 | And the only subject at the Roman Collegia in the fifth century was, I'll put an umbrella

02:06:08.500 | over it, crowd control.

02:06:11.140 | You know, how you divide to conquer, what buttons on the human organ you press to produce

02:06:19.860 | certain sounds.

02:06:20.860 | I mean, that's 16 centuries ago.

02:06:26.620 | What has happened in the intervening 16 centuries?

02:06:30.060 | They forgot that?

02:06:31.660 | Or was it added to?

02:06:33.740 | Has it become amazingly sophisticated?

02:06:39.380 | Less and less people necessary to produce more and more leverage.

02:06:47.220 | Is there a connection between the ideals of someone like Calvin and his espousing a theocratic

02:06:53.180 | state and modern states like Israel, which are also built along the same theocratic terms?

02:06:59.340 | I think, and I'm trying to be as fair as possible to the villains in this, I think there's some

02:07:08.540 | impulsion in everyone to have certainty that even as babies were aware of how many accidents,

02:07:17.140 | how much menace is out there, jeopardy, certainty.

02:07:22.220 | So to follow a list of rules, algorithms, you know, is emotionally very satisfying,

02:07:34.500 | but it doesn't work if everyone's not doing it.

02:07:39.780 | You know, and the minute everyone's doing it, you don't have to do it.

02:07:43.900 | You now are handed freedom because the menace has been reduced of other people experimenting

02:07:52.980 | with humanity, enlarging its boundaries.

02:07:57.620 | And then economically, of course, your capital's at risk.

02:08:03.500 | If that's the overproduction thing, I hope we talked about that yesterday, because it

02:08:09.580 | finally was the tipping point in the late 19th century as corporations were enlarging

02:08:19.540 | and layering themselves.

02:08:23.380 | Men like Carnegie and Rockefeller and Anster, they were fully aware that human ingenuity

02:08:32.140 | was a tremendous risk to capital formation, because to talk people out of their wealth

02:08:40.540 | on the grounds that you can multiply it doesn't work.

02:08:46.860 | If too many people invent ways to do something better than your investment, you know, the

02:08:55.220 | capital's destroyed.

02:08:56.620 | So the easiest way to manage the future and the present, of course, they saw a series

02:09:05.860 | of financial crises all through history, but especially in the 19th century, where the

02:09:12.500 | boot of the master had been lifted off ordinary people, and they were recklessly inventive.

02:09:20.340 | I mean, America's producing more inventions than all the rest of the world put together.

02:09:27.100 | You can't have that, because on that new base, the next base is going to be frightening.

02:09:33.660 | So a term existed and exists, but it's been camouflaged in the 21st century called overproduction.

02:09:45.700 | You have to use government to control overproduction, dumping too many goods or services on the

02:09:54.260 | market that it can't absorb.

02:09:56.820 | And the easiest way to do that, at first you try licensing, you know, and other kinds of

02:10:03.500 | government subsidy to favored groups.

02:10:08.220 | But ultimately, the killer app is to remove the ability to be inventive from the ordinary

02:10:19.340 | mass.

02:10:20.340 | These days, it's called overcapacity, because to penetrate what that means is much harder

02:10:29.300 | than to see instantly what overproduction means.

02:10:34.220 | Then a second menace emerged in the late 19th century, but by the late 1960s, it was clear

02:10:48.660 | it too would have to be controlled.

02:10:51.220 | That's called hyperdemocracy.

02:10:53.940 | If too many people take democracy seriously and understand how to form alliances with

02:11:03.180 | one another to confront power with power, then power becomes much less effective.

02:11:13.500 | So when the kids stopped the Vietnamese War, waves of them, I mean, this was so intolerable,

02:11:24.460 | the cost to privileged classes of this reign of money, the cost to the government of not

02:11:34.340 | being able to suppress dissent on the grounds that this is an emergency.

02:11:40.780 | This couldn't be allowed to happen again.

02:11:43.100 | The Trilateral Commission gave me the break I needed to understand this more precisely.

02:11:53.900 | They underwrote the publication of a book called The Crisis of Democracy in 1975, published

02:12:02.380 | by New York University Press, in which you have to have training in reading between the

02:12:11.860 | lines because the sophisticated power brokers aren't nakedly making these statements.

02:12:22.620 | But if you read Crisis of Democracy carefully, you will see that the crisis is too many people

02:12:30.900 | took it seriously and translated the principles into action and cost the industries and the

02:12:40.940 | hierarchy a war that, you know, now the next war would be harder to run.

02:12:51.300 | I mean, to get together, it would be more absurd.

02:12:55.900 | At least you can make a case in those jungles, but now you're going to have to make a case

02:13:02.500 | in the arid deserts of Iraq or in the mountains of Afghanistan.

02:13:08.180 | Why national security depends on suppressing these barefoot people and people whose weapons

02:13:17.260 | are blowing up their feet and their underwear?

02:13:21.700 | Hey, they're going to take the bread out of your family's mouth.

02:13:26.180 | I remember the attempt in Nicaragua under the Sandinistas to communicate the idea that it

02:13:36.940 | was just a stone's throw from our southern border and these people might pile into their

02:13:43.220 | 20 and 30 year old vehicles and that'd be this thousand mile drive north and into Texas

02:13:52.060 | and come.

02:13:53.740 | Well, you know, our economy, of course, cannot function without warfare so that when these

02:14:02.940 | things are over, count on the fact that if we have to attack the South Pole, the penguins

02:14:09.260 | will are clear and present danger.

02:14:13.540 | In the Paris Peace Conference 1919, pre-CFR formation, Colonel House and these characters

02:14:20.060 | are hanging out and Ho Chi Minh comes in and says, "We want to be free like America.

02:14:25.000 | We love democracy.

02:14:26.320 | We want to do this."

02:14:27.320 | And instead of helping them out, helping them to become free, they're like, "Well, we're

02:14:31.860 | going to have to take them out.

02:14:33.060 | That makes a good place to have them."

02:14:34.140 | We need enemies.

02:14:36.020 | We have to have enemies.

02:14:38.020 | The interesting thing about the book, The Crisis of Democracy, is that spreading out

02:14:44.140 | like ripples from a stone thrown in a pond, the popular magazines and press, Time Magazine

02:14:51.780 | did a cover story on too much democracy, question mark.

02:14:57.020 | Of course, they concluded, you bet, in a complicated high-tech world, you can't allow non-experts

02:15:05.860 | to make decisions there, but it was everywhere.

02:15:10.820 | So the Tom-Toms, they're interconnected and they beat simultaneously or nearly so.

02:15:19.420 | What's the role of curiosity?

02:15:23.660 | Is it not the lever that produces invention?

02:15:29.100 | I mean, it forces you really in a fun way to think for yourself there.

02:15:37.620 | And then it turns out that the secrets of nature or society aren't really very hard

02:15:45.780 | to penetrate as long as you remain curious.

02:15:50.180 | How do you destroy curiosity?

02:15:52.300 | We all say little babies are always curious.

02:15:56.140 | How do you destroy curiosity?

02:15:57.740 | Well, one good way is to sit people in chairs, tell them to speak when you're spoken to,

02:16:05.740 | threaten them with upcoming tests if they don't memorize usually erroneous material.

02:16:15.860 | It's fascinating.

02:16:16.860 | Show me a school book that deals with Admiral Perry's opening of Japan.

02:16:25.260 | And the school book, the last one I looked, was nominally under the aegis of the Librarian

02:16:33.700 | of Congress, so a major scholar.

02:16:38.340 | And it will say that, essentially it will say that we decided that Japan should be part

02:16:45.260 | of the modern world.

02:16:46.260 | It wasn't fair to leave them in medieval.

02:16:49.660 | And so Admiral Perry sailed over there and negotiated and they said, "Okay, you can

02:16:55.940 | have coaling bases or we'll take care of sunken warehouse."

02:17:02.660 | What no one says is that Perry had 11-inch naval rifles, the standard of the day.

02:17:11.620 | The Japanese had medieval cannon with a range for about 75 yards and Perry's guns could

02:17:19.740 | reach 10 miles.

02:17:22.380 | And that Perry emphasized the destructive impact of his force of three black gunboats.

02:17:31.340 | I mean, somebody had to actually paint the boats black by destroying some structures

02:17:38.380 | on the shore.

02:17:40.140 | And they rode out fast enough and said, "Please, Masa."

02:17:47.460 | When did the American Dream become one of lifelong servitude and debt and slavery?

02:17:53.020 | It's so fascinating that the American Dream is enunciated in 1859 by Abraham Lincoln

02:18:02.660 | speaking to the Wisconsin Agricultural Association.

02:18:07.300 | That's 152 years ago.

02:18:12.380 | And he says the American Dream is to write your own script to have an independent livelihood.

02:18:23.420 | That's why we don't have giant corporations like Britain and Germany have.

02:18:30.340 | People only work for somebody else long enough to put a stake together and they figure out

02:18:37.260 | what people need and then they do.

02:18:42.860 | So the American Dream was as elementary school books, it was liberty, freedom, personal sovereignty.

02:18:53.860 | And it was rather unique in the history of political nations around the earth or even

02:19:02.300 | tribal bodies.

02:19:05.660 | And did it work?

02:19:07.460 | It almost immediately propelled us into a paramount position among the, just because

02:19:16.620 | there's a, I'm not hostile to, but I'm also a stranger to IT and the high tech world.

02:19:28.800 | But I do try to keep up with the theory of what's going on.

02:19:33.260 | About three or four years ago, there was a wonderful analytical book called The Cathedral

02:19:42.180 | and the Bazaar.

02:19:43.180 | Are you familiar with it?

02:19:44.980 | I don't remember who wrote it.

02:19:48.300 | And I read it and I saw almost immediately what I thought nature was about proving itself

02:19:58.180 | through IT.

02:20:00.020 | The author or authors maintain that the crowd collectively has more wisdom and insight collectively

02:20:13.260 | and gave some hair raising examples.

02:20:17.300 | A huge gold ore body in Canada was discovered by the company putting its limit, it knew

02:20:27.940 | that there had to be an ore body there, but it also knew that if it used the normal procedures

02:20:36.500 | and the hole proved dry, excuse the mixed metaphor there, that they would be exhausted

02:20:46.300 | and they would have to sell what they knew.

02:20:49.340 | It's a gold corp today, GG on the exchange.

02:20:57.740 | So how did they discover the ore body?

02:21:02.020 | Instead of going to the recognized engineers and blowing all their water on one shot, on

02:21:11.380 | the internet they globally put out to anyone at all from any background at all, they wanted

02:21:19.620 | a theory of how to find that ore body.

02:21:23.020 | And somebody who had nothing to do with mining pick up the book because I'm losing the richness

02:21:32.380 | of the details.

02:21:33.380 | But it's the essence of how non-experts can make some of the biggest discoveries.

02:21:37.700 | Oh well, there is a book, I made a note to bring up here.

02:21:42.420 | There's a book that used to be required reading at MIT and maybe still would be.

02:21:48.860 | It's by a middle level physicist named Robert Scott Root-Bernstein.

02:21:56.700 | It's called Creativity.

02:21:59.180 | It's this thick and the structure internally is so maddening.

02:22:04.580 | It's done in the form of a group discussion among different people why he did that.

02:22:12.660 | But eventually I forced myself to read it and what just comes pouring out of it is how

02:22:20.780 | actual life world changing discoveries are made.

02:22:26.260 | This is an MIT textbook.

02:22:29.300 | Apparently by adding funds and assistance to a project you almost destroy your ability

02:22:39.580 | to make these breakthroughs.

02:22:42.580 | People who have to saw ice cube trays in half to make a piece of lab equipment, etc., etc.

02:22:50.420 | are the people who transcend the conventional.

02:22:55.540 | Now that's often then taken over by a big project.

02:23:00.580 | One of the most recent dramatic examples, and I'm sure you can Google or whatever the

02:23:06.700 | search engine term is, there was a two or three years ago in 60 Minutes, there was an

02:23:14.940 | account of a new way to treat cancerous tumors with radiation without any side effects at

02:23:29.740 | all and it had been discovered by a man in his garage who had nothing to do with cancer

02:23:39.980 | research.

02:23:40.980 | John Kanzias is who you're talking about, right?

02:23:44.260 | John Kanzias?

02:23:45.260 | Yes, Kanzias.

02:23:46.260 | And he worked in radio and television and he-

02:23:48.780 | He was a kid.

02:23:49.780 | He was an enthusiast and he knew that if you shot radio waves through metal that it heated

02:23:58.620 | up and he wondered if it would kill a tumor but not leave the devastation that radiation

02:24:05.580 | does and in fact it did.

02:24:09.780 | Now we don't have to take it on faith.

02:24:12.860 | The leading cancer researchers in the world said this is a whole new ballgame, you know,

02:24:22.820 | and some key research hospitals then took the process over.

02:24:28.140 | And Kanzias' motivation was he was in the terminal stages of cancer himself and he knew

02:24:35.780 | that the established treatments wouldn't help him and in fact he was too far gone and he

02:24:43.180 | died.

02:24:44.180 | I think the thing is that you- Pittsburgh now but it's at some major universities but

02:24:51.700 | I heard the reigning expert in the world say this is- makes all the past, you know, irrelevant.

02:25:01.900 | But that's a commonality.

02:25:04.100 | I copied some notes out of the Ruth Bernstein book.

02:25:10.780 | He said that intensive and narrow scientific training will guarantee that you never make

02:25:20.300 | a scientific breakthrough.

02:25:23.060 | You know, you can get the best Johns Hopkins, it doesn't matter.

02:25:28.580 | It's the narrowness of training.

02:25:31.620 | The people who make these breakthroughs have as wide a range of mental and physical tools

02:25:38.780 | as possible.

02:25:40.180 | They almost invariably play musical instruments, are good at languages, etc., etc.

02:25:49.580 | Most successful people in physics make it by going off by themselves and learning whatever

02:25:57.660 | they want to, not following the history of the physical sciences.

02:26:04.300 | What they learn from mentors is how to deal with ambiguity.

02:26:11.060 | But the established bodies of scientific knowledge get in the way of thinking afresh.

02:26:18.740 | You know, as soon as you hear these things, they're so common sensical, you say, of course,

02:26:24.740 | why didn't I think of that?

02:26:28.700 | Just a couple more here.

02:26:31.540 | Virtually every scientific pioneer, men like Edison, Franklin, Einstein, Planck, Maxwell,

02:26:41.940 | many others, had early opportunities to do absolutely independent research.

02:26:49.900 | All of them were in their early 20s, which has given rise to an understanding in the

02:26:57.540 | higher levels of the sciences that if you haven't made a major breakthrough by your

02:27:04.620 | middle 20s, you're not going to.

02:27:09.140 | What you can do is head up a project and be a bureaucrat and take credit, as many college

02:27:16.740 | professors do, for the discoveries of your students.

02:27:20.820 | But you're not going to be worth gambling on.

02:27:25.780 | It isn't the age in itself that limits insight.

02:27:30.860 | It's the imprint of rigid patterns of habits.

02:27:35.100 | Now, I happen to dig up a wonderful quote from William James' psychology, I think printed

02:27:46.260 | in 1890, and the book giving credit for establishing psychology as an academic subject.

02:27:56.620 | And James was, of course, he had ambivalent feelings, but he certainly was a disciple

02:28:05.900 | of Wundt there.

02:28:08.420 | Now, this is a direct quote from William James' psychology 121 years ago.

02:28:16.300 | "Habit is the enormous flywheel of society, its most precious agent.

02:28:24.620 | It alone saves the children of fortune from the envious uprisings of the poor.

02:28:34.100 | It alone prevents the most repulsive jobs from being deserted.

02:28:41.260 | It holds the minor in his darkness.

02:28:44.660 | It keeps different social strata from mixing."

02:28:50.060 | Well, I'll just complete.

02:28:58.780 | One of the insights of discovering that really electrified me as I was reading it is how

02:29:05.740 | frequently the great discovery in the scientific arena is not made by the specialists in that

02:29:14.380 | area, by somebody from another area completely divorced who transfers into chemistry or physics,

02:29:26.020 | has fresh eyes, cuts through the habits that lock the mind in place, and makes the discovery.

02:29:34.820 | It says, "Freedom and flexibility is much more valuable than planning.

02:29:43.020 | It comes only by getting out of ruts and plugging into a variety of methods."

02:29:53.180 | So these great truths, it isn't that we're discovering them now.

02:30:01.940 | We're taking them out of the burial places and saying, "Hey, look, wake up.

02:30:12.980 | The world is much bigger and much different than you believe it is because you've been

02:30:18.340 | conditioned to believe it's that way."

02:30:21.660 | I have something here.

02:30:25.020 | I have the six purposes of schooling as laid down in 1917 by the man who Harvard named

02:30:37.420 | their honor lecture in education for.

02:30:42.620 | So far from being a fringe individual, this guy is the reason the Harvard honor lecture

02:30:52.220 | in education is named as it is, the Ingalls lecture.

02:30:59.420 | Looks like Inglis, but it's pronounced Ingalls.

02:31:03.380 | And I would like to read you the six purposes of schooling.

02:31:09.980 | I moved heaven and earth and it took years to find this book, just like trying to find

02:31:16.580 | in past years copy of Carol Quigley's Tragedy and Hope.

02:31:23.060 | I learned about Ingalls from the 20-year president of Harvard, James Brian Conant, who was a

02:31:34.220 | poison gas specialist in World War I, was very inner circle of the atomic bomb project

02:31:42.820 | World War II, was the high commissioner of occupied Germany after the war.

02:31:49.260 | So he wrote, oh, there must be 20 books about the institution of schooling of which he was

02:31:57.860 | completely a proponent.

02:32:02.020 | And I forced, he's a very, very bad writer.

02:32:05.500 | I forced myself to read most of these books and in one of them, he says that if you really

02:32:14.060 | want to know what school is about, you need to pick up the book that I'm referring to

02:32:21.380 | here, Principles of Secondary Education.

02:32:25.620 | Two years it took me to find a copy of the book, 750 pages, tiny print, and as dull as

02:32:35.820 | your imagination can conceive.

02:32:39.580 | And furthermore, it's not until you get to the very middle of the book in an unlabeled

02:32:45.460 | section that he spills the beans.

02:32:48.940 | Let me spill them for you.

02:32:51.580 | These are the six purposes or functions as he calls them.

02:32:57.900 | The first he calls the adjustive function.

02:33:02.980 | Schools are to establish fixed habits of reaction to authority.

02:33:10.100 | That's their main purpose, habits of reaction to authority.

02:33:15.900 | That's why school authorities don't tear their hair out when somebody exposes that the atomic

02:33:26.900 | bomb wasn't dropped on Korea as a history book in 1990s printed by Scott Forsman distributed

02:33:36.900 | and why each of these books has hundreds of substantive errors.

02:33:42.860 | Tearing isn't the reason the texts are distributed.

02:33:47.620 | So first is the adjustive function, fixed habits.

02:33:53.180 | Now here comes the wonderful insight that being able to analyze the detail will give

02:34:03.940 | you.

02:34:05.420 | How can you establish whether someone has successfully developed this automatic reaction

02:34:13.200 | because people have a proclivity when they're given sensible orders to follow it.

02:34:21.460 | That's not what they want to reach.

02:34:23.580 | The only way you can measure this is to give stupid orders and people automatically follow

02:34:31.740 | those.

02:34:32.740 | So when you've achieved function one, have you ever wondered why some of the foolish

02:34:38.900 | things schools do are allowed to continue?

02:34:44.060 | Number two he calls, he calls it the integrating function, but it's easier to understand if

02:34:50.020 | you call it the conformity function.

02:34:53.500 | It's to make children as alike as possible, the gifted children and the stupid as alike

02:35:01.100 | as possible because market research uses statistical sampling and it only works if people react

02:35:11.660 | generally the same way.

02:35:15.140 | The third function he calls the directive function.

02:35:20.940 | School is to diagnose your proper social role and then to log the evidence that here is

02:35:30.940 | where you are in the great pyramid so that future people won't allow you to escape that

02:35:38.100 | compartment.

02:35:40.180 | The fourth function is the differentiating function.

02:35:45.780 | Once you've diagnosed kids in this layer, you do not want them to learn anything that

02:35:54.820 | the higher layers are learning.

02:35:57.780 | So you teach just as far as the requirements of that layer.

02:36:04.700 | Number five and six are the creepiest of all.

02:36:09.460 | Number five is the selective function.

02:36:13.980 | What that means is what Darwin meant by natural selection.

02:36:19.340 | You're assessing the breeding quality of each individual kid.

02:36:25.780 | You're doing it structurally because school teachers don't know this is happening.

02:36:30.860 | And you're trying to use ways to prevent the poor stuff from breeding and those ways are

02:36:40.300 | hanging labels, humiliating labels around their neck, encouraging the shallowness of

02:36:47.580 | thinking.

02:36:48.580 | You know, I often wondered because I came from a very, very strict Scotch Irish culture

02:36:57.140 | that never allowed you to lure the girl.

02:37:00.060 | Well, when I got to New York City, the boys were pawing the girls openly and there was

02:37:07.300 | really no redress for the girls at all, except not showing up in the classroom.

02:37:13.340 | You know, high absentee rates.

02:37:16.260 | Well, you're supposed to teach structurally that sexual pleasure is what you withdraw

02:37:28.780 | from a relationship and everything else is a waste of time and expensive.

02:37:35.220 | So the selective function is what Darwin meant by the favored races.

02:37:42.340 | The idea is to consciously improve the breeding stock.

02:37:48.260 | Schools are meant to tag the unfit with their inferiority by poor grades, remedial placement,

02:37:57.700 | humiliation, so that their peers will accept them as inferior.

02:38:05.220 | And the good breeding stock among the females will reject them as possible partners.

02:38:12.140 | And the sixth is the creepiest of all, and I think it's partly what Tragedy and Hope

02:38:21.140 | is about.

02:38:22.140 | It's a fancy Roman name, the propaedutic function.

02:38:28.180 | Because as early as Roman big time thinkers, it was understood that to continue a social

02:38:37.180 | form required some people being trained, that they were the custodians of this.

02:38:46.620 | So some small fraction of the kids are being ready to take over the project.

02:38:54.740 | That's the guy in the honor lecture.

02:38:57.980 | It will not surprise you that his ancestors include the major general at the siege of

02:39:07.380 | Lucknow in India, famous for tying the mutineers on the muzzles of the cannons and blowing

02:39:14.700 | them apart, or somebody who was forced to flee New York City, a churchman at the beginning

02:39:25.940 | of the American Revolution, because he wrote a refutation of Thomas Paine's common sense.

02:39:34.300 | They were going to tar and feather him.

02:39:36.740 | He fled and was rewarded by the British by making him the Bishop of Nova Scotia.

02:39:44.660 | Those are Engels' ancestors.

02:39:49.500 | So Al Engels is certainly, when I learned of this and wrote to Harvard asking for access

02:40:01.220 | to the Engels lecture, strike me dead, Lord, if I'm exaggerating at all, I was told, "Well,

02:40:11.220 | we have no, there is no Engels lecture.

02:40:14.940 | It hasn't been for years and we have no records."

02:40:20.100 | It was the same thing that happened when I discovered that Elwood P. Cumberley, the most

02:40:31.420 | influential schoolman of the 20th century and the bionomics genius, had been the elementary

02:40:41.180 | school editor of Houghton Mifflin, and I wrote Houghton Mifflin, "Is there any records?"

02:40:47.740 | And they said, "We have no record of anyone named Elwood P. Cumberley."

02:40:51.780 | Now Harvard's telling me there's no Engels lecture.

02:40:55.700 | A week passed and I got a call from Harvard, from some obscure office at Harvard, saying,

02:41:06.180 | "What is your interest in the Engels lecture?"

02:41:12.300 | I knew that I was on thin ice.

02:41:17.540 | And I said, "Well, James Conant referred me in his books to the man the Engels lecture

02:41:29.220 | is named after.

02:41:30.220 | And I was wondering if I could get some background on this fellow and a list of the lectures."

02:41:39.820 | And in due time, I got a list of the lectures and instructions how to access the texts,

02:41:49.700 | but not easily.

02:41:50.700 | You know, enough hoops that someone who has to mow the lawn and burp the baby, you know,

02:41:58.740 | wouldn't jump through those hoops.

02:42:02.580 | I was able to prove Harper's Wooden Publish, when they did the cover essay I wrote, which

02:42:09.660 | Lou Latham named against school, probably after Jeremiah's against.

02:42:16.300 | But I had called the Artificial Extension of Childhood, because I think that's the

02:42:22.780 | key mechanism at work here.

02:42:27.620 | So they wouldn't print the information about Coverley, because Mifflin denied it.

02:42:40.380 | It was only months afterward that I looked through my extensive library of incredibly

02:42:49.020 | dull books about schooling and opened in the facing page, said, "Edward Coverley, Editor

02:42:55.780 | in Chief, Elementary School, Publishing Arm of Mifflin."

02:43:04.580 | By the way, the secondary editor in chief was Alexander Ingalls.

02:43:11.420 | So you see how this cousinage, the incest works.

02:43:19.140 | If Martin Luther's idea was to cut out the middleman and teachers read books, why can't

02:43:24.980 | students just read books instead of going to the middleman for their information?

02:43:29.860 | The more highly placed the schooling is, the more likely it is that they do do that.

02:43:40.340 | They go to primary documents.

02:43:43.100 | They understand how suspicious all secondary documents are.

02:43:48.580 | Not that they aren't useful, but they give the writer or the editorial staff the ability

02:43:57.140 | to shift the information.

02:44:00.740 | That's why in the reprints of Quigley's Tragedy and Hope, we really need some of you out there

02:44:08.300 | to sit with the original and sit with the reprint and make sure the key things aren't

02:44:16.340 | elated.

02:44:17.340 | On perfectly reasonable grounds that we want to shrink this down from 1300 pages to a thousand

02:44:25.660 | or whatever.

02:44:26.660 | Oh, it was an oversize.

02:44:31.220 | We have eight minutes, nine minutes left.

02:44:34.140 | I have two questions and then we can do an informal book signing and get you out of here.

02:44:39.900 | Yeah, well, you should want to know what happens to an ordinary class of 13 year olds when

02:44:50.180 | they get a smattering of that.

02:44:53.460 | I mean, as much as I can absorb in a short time.

02:44:58.820 | Well, many of you will have seen Strawberry Fields, the monument to the Beatles in Central

02:45:06.740 | Park.

02:45:07.740 | I don't want to pat myself on the back because I didn't much care for the Beatles and I hate

02:45:13.220 | using Parkland for it.

02:45:15.540 | But I was approached by three girls, two of them here, bitterly complaining that the community

02:45:23.140 | planning board had denied Yoko Ono's petition to build Strawberry Fields.

02:45:31.460 | And they were furious that this had been done.

02:45:34.940 | And I said, well, you don't have to accept their decision.

02:45:37.940 | They're the lowest part of the pecking order.

02:45:41.940 | First, according to protocol, you have to take your case to them.

02:45:47.860 | So we'll book you an appointment and you lay down the reasons you want to take three acres

02:45:54.240 | of Central Park and give it to this group who could only play three musical chords.

02:46:00.900 | But I told them, whatever you want to do, including building a pistol, I'll show you

02:46:07.260 | how you can learn how to do that.

02:46:09.980 | I won't censor.

02:46:12.740 | So it had been voted down 45 to 8 by the community planning board and the community planning

02:46:20.940 | board unanimously rejected their appeal.

02:46:25.220 | I said, now you want to look who has to sign off on their decision.

02:46:31.820 | This is not a group of local big shots.

02:46:36.580 | This is the Landmarks Preservation Commission.

02:46:40.380 | You don't get on that unless your ancestors come over on the Mayflower or you have $10

02:46:46.540 | billion.

02:46:47.540 | I said, this is the elite of the elite.

02:46:51.340 | And now what you want to do is research the names are publicly accessible, 23 of them,

02:46:59.060 | and I'll bet four or five of them would already be in favor of this thing.

02:47:05.220 | All you need is 12 of them to reject this for it to happen.

02:47:11.900 | So you find out who these people are and get as much biographical information.

02:47:18.540 | You know, IT has made this on these people and you will find the buttons to play them

02:47:25.620 | like an oval organ.

02:47:27.380 | You know, you can find out what causes they became noteworthy for, etc., etc.

02:47:35.140 | And now what you're going to do, because there's 12,000 kids in this school district, is I'm

02:47:41.140 | going to free you from school for a month and you're going to split up.

02:47:45.580 | You go from school to school, find troublemakers and get petitions.

02:47:50.940 | Because what we need, because your letterhead will say committee of 5,000, we need 5,000

02:47:58.940 | signatures on a petition.

02:48:01.820 | And you're going to write an individual letter writing campaign to each of the 23 members

02:48:08.540 | of the community planning board asking them to please immortalize this group.

02:48:18.140 | Well, I get a phone call in the front office, I'm summoned out of class, I was six weeks

02:48:26.220 | later and the voice on the phone says, "Hello, this is Yoko Ono."

02:48:31.340 | You know, I thought it was one of my cockamamie friends.

02:48:35.340 | I said, "You know, this is George Washington, Yoko, what's on your mind?"

02:48:40.820 | Fortunately, she didn't take umbrage, maybe even here in Santa.

02:48:45.420 | She said, "The decision has been reversed.

02:48:49.540 | I'm going to hold a party at the Dakota for these girls.

02:48:55.300 | Could they be released from school?"

02:48:57.780 | I don't know, Yoko, I'm going to miss a lot.

02:49:02.740 | So that's one.

02:49:05.180 | Look at this one.

02:49:07.300 | Here's a 12-year-old C student from, well, he lived in, well, he was a C student but

02:49:15.820 | he's a polite young fellow.

02:49:17.300 | He was going nowhere there and he went to, he had the effrontery to go to a pizza parlor

02:49:24.820 | in all white Upper West Side in 1980.

02:49:29.020 | The owner of the parlor, a 6'6" crazy Greek who happened to be a friend of mine, took

02:49:36.140 | his pizza, took his soda, threw them away.

02:49:40.140 | The charge was he had taken two straws.

02:49:44.180 | You only let one straw, right?

02:49:47.220 | So he comes over ranting about racial prejudice.

02:49:51.460 | I said, "It was the wrong thing to do and I'm going to show you how to deal with it."

02:49:56.980 | But I don't think it was racial prejudice.

02:50:00.060 | His clientele at lunch comes from the collegiate school.

02:50:04.660 | They wear blue blazers, gold buttons.

02:50:06.940 | John F. Kennedy's kid went there.

02:50:09.580 | They leave big tips for his staff and he knows the public school kids, black or white, go

02:50:17.620 | in there for lunch and he's going to lose that blue ribbon trade.

02:50:23.540 | Nonetheless, you're going to give him a chance to back down.

02:50:28.060 | This is an absolutely massive insane Greek who believes violence is the solution to all

02:50:36.020 | problems.

02:50:37.020 | Once Jerry Mulligan, the famous jazz saxophonist, bounced a $10 check.

02:50:43.380 | He had it blown up to billboard size and mounted outside the restaurant.

02:50:49.420 | I said, "You go to the phone and I'll listen and you say, 'I'm the guy's pizza you took,

02:50:58.260 | but I'm willing to let bygones be bygones if I could.'"

02:51:03.420 | Nick hangs up on him.

02:51:04.420 | I said, "I'm going to give you what in law is called an affidavit that you attempted

02:51:09.700 | to solve this problem peaceably."

02:51:12.460 | Now I said, "You want to go over there in person tomorrow and I'll provide a long distance

02:51:21.500 | witness and you want to say, 'Look, it's just a slice of pizza.

02:51:25.620 | Give me my slice of pizza back.'"

02:51:28.380 | But Nick had the bid between how the kid goes.

02:51:32.660 | And now I said, "You're going to call him one more time with a different teacher as

02:51:38.500 | a witness, then you're going to write him a letter, certified return receipt requested,

02:51:45.580 | 65 cents in those days.

02:51:48.020 | And now you have four pieces of evidence to provide to the court and then you're going

02:51:54.140 | to sue his ass in small claims court."

02:51:57.140 | Only cost like $3 in those days, but it was 17 miles from the school.

02:52:03.700 | Kids can't sue.

02:52:05.100 | I said, "Anyone with $3 can sue.

02:52:08.300 | That doesn't mean you're going to win."

02:52:10.640 | But the way the referee in small claims court decides, since it's one person's, is who has

02:52:17.740 | evidence that they acted reasonably.

02:52:21.780 | And you will have four pieces of evidence and this guy will be steam coming out of his

02:52:27.700 | ear while he was awarded triple damages.

02:52:31.900 | How about that?

02:52:34.060 | Now, what do you suppose the small claims court referee said when he got home that night

02:52:42.620 | to his friend?

02:52:43.620 | "You're not going to believe what I just adjudicated."

02:52:48.140 | So beginning about four days later, we got a call from the Brooklyn College Law School.

02:52:55.300 | Could he come over and lecture?

02:52:56.940 | Of course he said no.

02:52:58.380 | And I said, "Listen, I'll ruin you if you don't.

02:53:01.260 | We'll work it out."

02:53:02.380 | And Columbia Law School called.

02:53:04.940 | Then we got daily calls from judges to take him out to lunch because isn't this a symbol

02:53:12.100 | that the system really...

02:53:15.780 | Okay.

02:53:17.980 | He's the only kid in 30 years of teaching that took my advice not to waste your time

02:53:24.220 | in high school.

02:53:25.500 | I said, "Any number of very good colleges will take you in at the end of your sophomore

02:53:31.900 | year if you provide the documentation.

02:53:36.620 | You're ready."

02:53:38.220 | He went to Duke, full tuition scholarship, then Duke University Law School.

02:53:46.540 | And by the way, these two events, Strawberry Fields and Pizza Palace, are from the same

02:53:58.340 | term in junior high school.

02:54:00.700 | Just a few more of these things.

02:54:04.980 | Here's a PhD from UCAL.

02:54:08.460 | Here's a 13-year-old girl who came to me complaining that her mother was a liar, said she could

02:54:17.380 | go to Paris alone that summer if she could raise the money.

02:54:22.940 | I just checked and nobody...

02:54:24.660 | I mean, she was a single parent household.

02:54:28.460 | Mother was a secretary.

02:54:29.460 | She said, "Nobody."

02:54:30.460 | I said, "Well, you can't do it on a job, but it's not very much money if you have a little

02:54:37.460 | business."

02:54:38.460 | And she said, "13-year-old kids can't have businesses."

02:54:43.500 | I said, "If you have something people want, they don't care how old you are."

02:54:49.060 | I mean, Sean Fanning almost ruined the music business with Napster.

02:54:55.380 | He was 17.

02:54:58.460 | So she takes a week out of school, figures out a really interesting exotic business that

02:55:07.100 | you can read my book and find out what it was, and raises enough money in a short time

02:55:13.700 | by cutting school for six consecutive weeks that she could afford to pay her mother's

02:55:20.300 | way to Paris.

02:55:21.300 | She came to me and said, "I've got much more money than I need."

02:55:23.660 | I said, "Why don't you take your mother to Paris?

02:55:25.660 | She might appreciate it."

02:55:28.140 | On the basis of that, she went to what I believe is the finest college in the United States,

02:55:35.060 | Hampshire College, where you write your own curriculum and then you negotiate with the

02:55:41.260 | faculty.

02:55:42.260 | My granddaughter goes there and will be graduating next year.

02:55:47.220 | Hello, Christina.

02:55:49.220 | That's all I'll say.

02:55:52.220 | >> What phrase in Icelandic means writing of God?

02:55:56.660 | >> Yes.

02:55:57.660 | It's a, her real name was, is carried popularly as Gudrun, but she wasn't satisfied, so she

02:56:06.020 | went to court and changed it to Christina.

02:56:09.500 | So hey, you know, what are you going to do?

02:56:12.260 | >> If you could say something that would echo through time and each and every person from

02:56:16.780 | now until the end of humanity would hear it.

02:56:20.140 | >> Yeah.

02:56:21.140 | >> Sensible children do not wish to be incomplete human beings.

02:56:29.900 | And so when you impose a stage theory of human development upon them, you affect or tormenting

02:56:38.820 | them, you're limiting their opportunity.

02:56:42.840 | The whole world for all history knew that childhood is over about the age of seven,

02:56:50.540 | and if it persists beyond the age of 12, you've got some hopeless human being on your mind.

02:56:57.820 | Don't be your kid's enemy because they're not a kid.

02:57:01.820 | That's a fellow human being, male or female.

02:57:06.060 | Be their partner and enlarge the opportunities.

02:57:12.220 | No homework, please.

02:57:19.780 | >> What does a college education really get you in the 21st century?

02:57:23.460 | >> I think it's consistently given less and less.

02:57:32.060 | It essentially was the last hoop to jump through, but it never delivered much to most of the

02:57:43.540 | people who jumped through that hoop.

02:57:45.780 | It is possible if you understand that an education is something you have to take to use the resources

02:57:55.300 | that are assembled there and actually stitch together an education for yourself, get some

02:58:02.740 | value.

02:58:03.820 | But most people, of course, follow a prescribed plan, which has been put together by a committee

02:58:11.540 | somewhere, and in fact, doesn't do much for most people.

02:58:17.900 | I went to Cornell, Columbia, and Reed College, and I can guarantee from Cornell and Columbia,

02:58:28.020 | I remember nothing except the babes, the alcohol, hangovers, et cetera.

02:58:38.580 | From Reed, I got a little bit out of a Plato seminar that I do remember basically arguing

02:58:53.580 | with the professor who encouraged that.

02:58:59.020 | It doesn't give you a bang for your buck unless you commit, which who does?

02:59:07.820 | Isn't it supposed to produce a certificate that certifies you as eligible?

02:59:14.900 | The funny thing is that IT has accidentally exploded a lot of that because so many people,

02:59:23.500 | I remember when my daughter graduated from MIT, and she used to bitterly complain that

02:59:30.820 | her classmates would vanish for months at a time doing jobs for various companies, then

02:59:38.740 | come back as if nothing had happened and nobody punished them.

02:59:43.620 | Sorry to say that we were so slow picking up on.

02:59:53.300 | We judge people by performance, not by credentials, and real people, you'd be insane to hire on

03:00:03.980 | the basis of credentials because the skew between memory and application is so large

03:00:13.500 | that eventually you're top heavy with people who don't know how to do anything much.

03:00:19.460 | I'm going to ask this last question.

03:00:23.420 | Go burn your DVD.

03:00:24.420 | That way you're not late.

03:00:27.140 | So just answer to Jitu and Tony and Kevin.

03:00:31.540 | What is the value of persistence as juxtaposed to the learning process?

03:00:39.260 | About 10 years ago, I helped to set up a foundation that at Edison High School in New Jersey awards

03:00:55.060 | $10,000 a year to the most persistent student in the class.

03:01:04.540 | Persistence in the face of adversity is the final test.

03:01:09.340 | If you can stick to something, nothing is difficult to learn.

03:01:15.860 | I mean nothing at all, but the natural selection process operating on a low boredom quotient,

03:01:27.740 | and personal disrespect, I can't do that, and many other things eliminates almost everyone

03:01:37.500 | except the persistent.

03:01:41.540 | Those are the ones who demonstrate merit.

03:01:44.420 | Now obviously a lot of the control mechanism is inherited or appointed, but the parts that

03:01:53.300 | aren't go to the persistent, and that includes the arts and the sciences as well as politics.

03:02:02.900 | I mean who could imagine, for example, that an obviously inferior human being, I'm not

03:02:14.620 | speaking politically here, like George W. Bush, could pass through all the screens on

03:02:25.180 | the way up and then be elected not once but twice by the American population.

03:02:33.060 | He flunked his pilot's course, 25 out of 100, and now he's supposed to be given a jet to

03:02:42.860 | fly in combat, but of course he pulled strings he didn't do that.

03:02:49.060 | Clearly he was an imbecile.

03:02:53.260 | He looked like an imbecile, he talked like an imbecile, and you cannot believe that any

03:02:58.860 | decisions attributed to him were actually made by him.

03:03:04.100 | No one would be crazy enough to put him in charge and say you mind the store and I'll

03:03:10.420 | go off.

03:03:12.420 | But he was persistent and he did reject the negative assessments that occurred all through

03:03:21.940 | his life.

03:03:23.380 | What a rock is about, in my opinion, is showing daddy that the people who embarrassed daddy

03:03:34.140 | got their comeuppance and who the hell cares that the carnage is one of the great mass

03:03:41.580 | murders in history, but daddy's reputation was saved from disgrace.

03:03:52.180 | What do you feel the role of UNESCO has been in the manipulation of the educational curriculum?

03:03:57.460 | Well, I'm bothered a little bit by the general mass of conspiracy literature attributes powers

03:04:11.300 | to the United Nations, which it simply doesn't have.

03:04:14.860 | That doesn't mean that it isn't filled with villainous intentions.

03:04:20.140 | I mean that it never succeeded in becoming, people say it's a respectable institution,

03:04:29.260 | but they don't behave, no one says what does the UN say about, no one says that.

03:04:36.220 | And they've always given up trying.

03:04:39.460 | I mean there's now a minority opinion that it's not worth spending the money to have

03:04:46.700 | it in the United States, you know, because it's as much anti-American as it carries out

03:04:55.780 | our subtler designs.

03:04:58.580 | I've noticed that UNESCO focuses a lot of their workings on the educational work of

03:05:05.580 | nations.

03:05:06.580 | Oh yeah, but you and I would too.

03:05:08.140 | Yeah, yeah, of course.

03:05:11.220 | Well, wouldn't anyone say it's easier to deal with unformed minds with no experience?

03:05:20.340 | Wean them away.

03:05:21.340 | Yeah, I mean, it just, it's an engineering sense what you would expect to happen.

03:05:29.500 | And so we wouldn't be surprised if that's what does happen.

03:05:36.660 | Who was Johann Pestalozzi and what were some of his new ideas?

03:05:43.060 | The most intriguing thing about the followers of Pestalozzi are that they never count the

03:05:51.300 | fact that every single one of his projects quickly failed, every single one of them.

03:06:00.000 | What he had that was intriguing to the Prussian hierarchy and really the global hierarchy

03:06:07.940 | was that his method of kindness, and it may have been sincere, his method of kindness

03:06:19.580 | was a new weapon in the arsenal of instead of whipping the poor, threatening them, menacing

03:06:28.420 | them, tormenting them, you killed them with kindness.

03:06:34.140 | The written principles of the Fabians are Pestalozzian, you know, by extending this

03:06:44.540 | blanket of kindness to people.

03:06:48.860 | It's still effective in that, you know, lots of, a big fraction of the American population

03:07:02.860 | expects charity and sees it as a blessing.

03:07:07.900 | Now, it's not hard to see why on this day or that day it could be a blessing, but overall

03:07:15.660 | that you get weaker and weaker, like your arm gets weaker if it doesn't lift stuff above

03:07:21.940 | your head.

03:07:22.940 | I mean, it's such a fundamental principle of human physics, including mental physics,

03:07:31.860 | that to pull the wool over so many people's eyes.

03:07:37.260 | I've got your disc, it's got all the transcripts from your Gnostic Media interviews, you also

03:07:45.740 | have a definition of liberal and some Gordon Watson information for it.

03:07:50.660 | You also talked about the crews to open up Asia.

03:07:56.340 | This is Taft, it's Roosevelt's daughter, Roosevelt's president, Taft goes with her, and they open

03:08:05.780 | up, they go back to Japan after, who was the admiral that you mentioned that went over

03:08:10.620 | there?

03:08:11.620 | Oh, not Dewey.

03:08:12.620 | But you know what I'm saying, they had already gone over there, and this was the second one,

03:08:21.940 | and then this sets up the whole World War II, World War I, the whole scenario, the opium

03:08:27.060 | smuggling, it's all in there.

03:08:28.780 | And this guy wrote Flags of Our Fathers and Flyboys?

03:08:32.220 | Oh yes.

03:08:33.220 | James Bradley?

03:08:34.220 | Yes.

03:08:35.220 | He's a great guy.

03:08:36.220 | I thought you might want to talk to him.

03:08:37.220 | Thank you, I will.

03:08:38.220 | You'll enjoy it.

03:08:39.220 | And you did an outstanding job.

03:08:43.220 | Hey, this has been a lovely course in how complicated it is, you know, to make a...

03:08:53.260 | To get the word out.

03:08:56.260 | Have you seen this book?

03:08:58.260 | It's called The Perfectibilists, it's by Terry Mullinson.

03:09:02.780 | No.

03:09:03.780 | That was the name of the Illuminati before it was known as the Illuminati, it was the

03:09:07.060 | Perfectibilists, and they were a private club.

03:09:09.060 | And this means "per me caci vita," it means "through me the blind become sighted," so

03:09:13.060 | their top secret is the trivium and learning.

03:09:15.300 | But they use it out of order, so they don't establish what exists first, they assert logic

03:09:19.020 | without...

03:09:20.020 | No, no, no.

03:09:21.020 | If you look in the back, it has a full glossary of individuals.

03:09:24.500 | Of all members.

03:09:25.500 | Yeah, he's cataloged.

03:09:26.500 | Now, this is my copy, but I want you to take it, and I can get another one.

03:09:29.780 | And then you can...

03:09:30.780 | God bless.

03:09:31.780 | I'm Chris Milligan.

03:09:32.780 | God bless.

03:09:33.780 | This here is the reference of Carl Wundt, and it goes into some of his colleagues, and

03:09:38.860 | you'll have a lot of references to your own material.

03:09:41.420 | Thank you all, and certainly...

03:09:43.900 | Now you got a heavy bag to carry.

03:09:46.900 | Now I got a heavy bag to carry.

03:09:48.900 | Let me get your mic off, yeah?

03:09:56.900 | Yes.

03:10:00.980 | You've now experienced the first step of the Ultimate History Lesson.

03:10:05.340 | We've done the hard work of organizing the facts, and now it's up to you to think, learn,

03:10:09.620 | communicate, and take action among yourselves.

03:10:11.820 | But we don't expect you to do this alone, and in fact, since this message applies to

03:10:16.500 | all of us, it's truly a circumstance which unites us and makes us indivisible, so that

03:10:22.500 | we might deliver freedom and justice, not just to ourselves, but to people around the

03:10:27.180 | world.

03:10:28.560 | If there is a point to all of this, it might be in realizing that the system isn't broken.

03:10:33.460 | It was built this way, on purpose.

03:10:36.140 | It serves those who created it, not those who are managed by it.

03:10:41.420 | As a result, our potential as human beings has been undermined.

03:10:45.860 | Our birthright has been stolen, and our adolescent period of life has been extended indefinitely.

03:10:53.260 | We have been numbed to these facts, which have been obscured further by the 15,000 hours

03:10:59.760 | of public schooling, which is mandatory in order to earn the right to live and work in

03:11:05.180 | our civilized culture.

03:11:07.660 | We have been under the impression that public schooling was about educating us, as a measure

03:11:12.020 | to prepare us for life, but those assumptions were formed based upon information supplied

03:11:17.420 | to us by our natural predators, who may dress and speak like us, but in their minds, intentions,

03:11:25.900 | and actions, they hold us in contempt.

03:11:29.820 | They manage us like livestock, and they poison us both figuratively and literally, as if

03:11:35.980 | we were pests.

03:11:38.020 | Each of us has a choice to make, and the question is, what is most important to us?

03:11:44.900 | Is it the products which money buys, or is it having a safe, happy, and healthy family?

03:11:50.180 | Unfortunately, it doesn't seem that we can have both in this culture.

03:11:54.220 | We must choose to either put our full support behind that which is most important to us,

03:11:59.300 | or face losing everything.

03:12:01.720 | I made that choice eight years ago, and through the help of some friends, I transformed the

03:12:06.600 | materials around me into the resources which have delivered this message to you.

03:12:12.460 | In the minutes before Patrick Henry spoke into existence the phrase, "Give me liberty,

03:12:18.340 | or give me death," in his speech to the Second Virginia Convention on March 23, 1775,

03:12:25.580 | he first addressed the convention's president, Peyton Randolph of Williamsburg.

03:12:33.180 | For my own part, I consider it as nothing less than a question of freedom or slavery,

03:12:39.780 | and in proportion to the magnitude of the subject, ought to be the freedom of debate.

03:12:46.100 | It is only in this way that we can hope to arrive at truth and to fulfill the great responsibility

03:12:52.080 | which we hold to God and country.

03:12:55.720 | Should I keep back my opinions at such a time, through fear of giving offense, I should consider

03:13:02.280 | myself guilty of treason towards my country, and an act of disloyalty toward the majesty

03:13:08.940 | of heaven, which I revere above all earthly kings.

03:13:14.700 | Mr. President, it is natural to man to indulge in the illusions of hope.

03:13:20.800 | We are apt to shut our eyes against painful truth and listen to the song of that siren

03:13:26.660 | until she transforms us into beasts.

03:13:30.300 | Is this the part of wise men, engaged in a great and arduous struggle for liberty?

03:13:36.160 | Are we disposed to being of the number of those having eyes, see not, and having ears,

03:13:42.060 | hear not, the things which so nearly concern their temporal salvation?

03:13:47.980 | For my part, whatever anguish of spirit it may cost, I am willing to know the whole truth,

03:13:54.280 | to know the worst, and to provide for it."

03:13:59.980 | So if you realized that your family and/or community was in danger, how would you make

03:14:06.460 | them aware of it, as a measure to protect them from the peril?

03:14:10.260 | Well, once you meet and surmount the mental obstacles by employing your use of reason,

03:14:16.600 | it would then be logical to organize the facts, connect and communicate with your loved ones

03:14:22.100 | and community, to learn together how to dispel confusion, how to take informed constructive

03:14:28.420 | actions, and when you meet resistance, how to learn your way forward.

03:14:34.220 | It doesn't benefit anyone to continue to sanitize the world for our youth, as it prevents

03:14:39.860 | them from developing a strong immune system, and thereby undermines their chances of survival

03:14:45.460 | in this world.

03:14:46.880 | To that end, as I mentioned in the introduction, we've also created the UltimateHistoryLesson.com

03:14:52.460 | which specifically hosts the YouTube version of this interview in video form, as well as

03:14:57.700 | the MP3 versions for your downloading pleasure, as well as the transcript, references, notes,

03:15:03.380 | links, primary source materials, and every other piece of media associated with this

03:15:08.980 | interview set, all with the goal of helping you to understand.

03:15:13.540 | And while this all might sound like a good idea, most people need a little help outgrowing

03:15:18.120 | the habits which enable us to be so easily manipulated.

03:15:22.420 | In order to help each and every individual tap into their internal natural resources,

03:15:28.300 | we created TragedyAndHope.com, which acts as a next step for those who seek to learn

03:15:33.780 | more after screening our productions.

03:15:36.720 | Now that you've heard John talk about the book, Tragedy and Hope, a History of the World

03:15:41.580 | and Our Time by Dr. Carol Quigley, you will indeed appreciate the fact that we've created

03:15:46.380 | an international network of independent media producers, all of whom consistently provide

03:15:52.180 | educational films, podcasts, and video reports, commercial free and free to the public.

03:15:59.100 | With over 1,400 people from all over the world posting videos, posting blogs, forming study

03:16:05.020 | and research groups, and learning the arts of intellectual self-defense and strategic

03:16:09.900 | problem solving, we have built a truly unique experience which has thus far been denied

03:16:15.780 | to the general public, and it is in every way designed to help you realize your birthright.

03:16:22.840 | In this last hour, I was surprised to learn about John's key role in helping Yoko Ono

03:16:27.220 | get approval to create Strawberry Fields, a section of Central Park in New York dedicated

03:16:32.540 | to John Lennon, across the street from where he was shot in front of the Dakota Hotel.

03:16:39.100 | We've done a lot since creating Tragedy and Hope in 2009, so let me share a bit of synchronicity

03:16:43.920 | about how all this began.

03:16:48.260 | These are the last few pages of the premier issue of our interactive magazine before it

03:16:53.780 | evolved into an interactive community of critical thinkers.

03:16:57.860 | I'd say that not only have we come a long way, but we've also stayed on track, and I

03:17:02.700 | think that's reflected in the synchronicity of these full circle moments.

03:17:07.060 | We're serious about studying the big problems, identifying the root causes, and enacting

03:17:12.940 | constructive solutions, and we sure could use your help.

03:17:17.020 | And in return, we'll help you catch up on what you've been missing.

03:17:22.140 | We must ask the questions, "Can we have peace without understanding the root causes of war?

03:17:29.220 | Can we have liberty without the responsibility and reason incorporated into our actions to

03:17:34.860 | bring it about?

03:17:36.460 | Why aren't we preparing our children for their lives?

03:17:39.720 | Why doesn't public schooling prepare us for the fact that we are entering a world where

03:17:43.500 | there are predators and systems of predation to be avoided?"

03:17:48.900 | And in learning the answers, we found that it's due to the fact that the predators designed

03:17:54.680 | the public schooling system.

03:17:57.520 | It's time to reclaim our birthright, and this interview is aimed at delivering it to you.

03:18:03.000 | What you do with it is your choice.

03:18:06.840 | Figure out how to teach yourself anything by asking substantial questions and identifying

03:18:12.460 | valid answers.

03:18:14.320 | Help us create a network of affiliates and continue to spread this message of self-liberation.

03:18:20.660 | By understanding the problems, the solutions become known.

03:18:24.780 | The truth is the future, and we want to see what the world looks like when you develop

03:18:29.800 | the habits which reveal your inner potential.

03:18:33.740 | Last but not least, learn how to use the active literacies to liberate yourself and share

03:18:38.780 | what you've learned with others.

03:18:41.180 | Because the world is made up of words, and if you know the right words, you can make

03:18:45.440 | of the world what you will.

03:18:48.520 | Go and do likewise.

03:18:50.780 | Be persistent.

03:18:52.020 | Refuse to give your consent to irrationality and realize that in your heart and mind, we

03:18:57.460 | are only victims until we mature and take responsibility for our thoughts and actions.

03:19:03.460 | And to that end, keep learning, keep moving forward.

03:19:07.660 | Thank you for tuning in and not dropping out.

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