RPF0598-I_Quit_I_Think_by_John_Taylor_Gatto
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00:00:30.960 | I've taught public school for 26 years.
00:00:33.960 | But I just can't do it anymore.
00:00:37.660 | For years, I asked the local school board and superintendent to let me teach a curriculum that doesn't hurt kids.
00:00:44.700 | But they had other fish to fry.
00:00:46.940 | So I'm going to quit, I think.
00:00:51.540 | I've come slowly to understand what it is I really teach.
00:00:56.180 | A curriculum of confusion, class position, arbitrary justice, vulgarity, rudeness, disrespect for privacy, indifference to quality, and utter dependency.
00:01:12.200 | I teach how to fit into a world I don't want to live in.
00:01:17.340 | I just can't do it anymore.
00:01:19.000 | I can't train children to wait to be told what to do.
00:01:22.400 | I can't train people to drop what they're doing when a bell sounds.
00:01:25.980 | I can't persuade children to feel some justice in their class placement when there isn't any.
00:01:31.480 | And I can't persuade children to believe teachers have valuable secrets they can acquire by becoming our disciples.
00:01:38.160 | That isn't true.
00:01:40.660 | Government schooling is the most radical adventure in history.
00:01:45.260 | It kills the family by monopolizing the best times of childhood and by teaching disrespect for home and parents.
00:01:54.500 | An exaggeration?
00:01:56.140 | Hardly.
00:01:57.240 | Parents aren't meant to participate in our form of schooling.
00:02:00.140 | Rhetoric to the contrary.
00:02:01.840 | My orders as school teacher are to make children fit an animal training system, not to help each find his or her personal path.
00:02:12.420 | The whole blueprint of school procedure is Egyptian, not Greek or Roman.
00:02:17.900 | It grows from the faith that human value is a scarce thing, represented symbolically by the narrow peak of a pyramid.
00:02:26.500 | That idea passed into American history through the Puritans.
00:02:29.980 | It found its scientific presentation in the bell curve, along which talent supposedly apportions itself by some iron law of biology.
00:02:40.140 | It's a religious idea.
00:02:42.780 | And school is its church.
00:02:45.980 | New York City hires me to be a priest.
00:02:49.180 | I offer rituals to keep heresy at bay.
00:02:52.820 | I provide documentation to justify the heavenly pyramid.
00:02:58.380 | Socrates foresaw that if teaching became a formal profession, something like this would happen.
00:03:04.380 | Professional interest is best served by making what is easy to do seem hard, by subordinating laity to priesthood.
00:03:13.340 | School has become too vital a jobs project, contract giver, and protector of the social order to allow itself to be reformed.
00:03:24.060 | It has political allies to guard its marches.
00:03:28.660 | That's why reforms come and go without changing much.
00:03:32.580 | Even reformers can't imagine school much different.
00:03:36.300 | David learns to read at age four.
00:03:38.940 | Rachel at age nine.
00:03:41.260 | In normal development, when both are 13, you can't tell which one learned first.
00:03:45.500 | The five-year spread means nothing at all.
00:03:48.460 | But in school, I will label Rachel "learning disabled" and slow David down a bit, too.
00:03:55.340 | For a paycheck, I adjust David to depend on me to tell him when to go and stop.
00:04:01.100 | He won't outgrow that dependency.
00:04:03.780 | I identify Rachel as discount merchandise, special education.
00:04:08.820 | After a few months, she'll be locked into her place forever.
00:04:14.340 | In 26 years of teaching rich kids and poor, I almost never met a learning disabled child.
00:04:21.220 | Hardly ever met a gifted and talented one either.
00:04:24.620 | Like all school categories, these are sacred myths created by the human imagination.
00:04:30.500 | They derive from questionable values we never examine because they preserve the temple of schooling.
00:04:39.300 | That's the secret behind short answer tests, bells, uniform time blocks, age grading, standardization,
00:04:46.740 | and all the rest of the school religion punishing our nation.
00:04:51.500 | There isn't a right way to become educated.
00:04:55.260 | There are as many ways as fingerprints.
00:04:58.260 | We don't need state-certified teachers to make education happen.
00:05:02.620 | That probably guarantees it won't.
00:05:05.740 | How much more evidence is necessary?
00:05:08.380 | Good schools don't need more money or a longer year.
00:05:12.020 | They need real free market choices, variety that speaks to every need and runs risks.
00:05:18.860 | We don't need a national curriculum or national testing either.
00:05:22.820 | Both initiatives arise from ignorance of how people learn.
00:05:27.460 | Or deliberate indifference to it.
00:05:31.380 | I can't teach this way any longer.
00:05:34.300 | If you hear of a job where I don't have to hurt kids to make a living, let me know.
00:05:39.540 | Come fall, I'll be looking for work, I think.
00:05:43.900 | The article you've just read was published in the Wall Street Journal July 25, 1991 by
00:05:49.940 | John Taylor Gatto, New York State Teacher of the Year.
00:05:54.180 | I've just learned the last couple days when I pulled up the Foundation for Economic Education
00:05:59.260 | website I learned that John Taylor Gatto passed away this past week on October 28.
00:06:05.060 | Gatto was somebody who was important and influential in my life because as I was wrestling with
00:06:12.260 | trying to fit in an analysis of some of the things that I would see in the world, I came
00:06:17.580 | across some of his writings.
00:06:19.140 | Specifically, I came across his book called The Underground History of American Education.
00:06:23.580 | I proceeded to listen to a number of his talks and found him to be so informed on the subject
00:06:30.500 | that he helped a number of pieces to fall into place in my own thinking.
00:06:37.060 | And it's one of those things that long-time listeners will recognize as a consistent theme
00:06:42.580 | in my own opinions and in my own work.
00:06:46.100 | I seek to persuade people to withdraw their children from government schools and to focus
00:06:52.140 | on their children as individuals and seek to help their children to become truly well-educated
00:06:58.680 | and competent adults rather than credentialed members of the masses.
00:07:06.580 | One of the common questions that I receive from listeners when I address subjects, especially
00:07:10.940 | inflammatory subjects such as schooling, is to say, "What does this have to do with finances?"
00:07:15.940 | Well, as a long-time financial planner, I've learned that parents will spend almost any
00:07:20.900 | amount of money on their children's college, and they'll spend almost any amount of money,
00:07:26.980 | if they have it, on their children's private schooling.
00:07:31.380 | But very rarely will a parent sit down and read a book about education or think critically
00:07:39.080 | about their own educational journey.
00:07:41.740 | Very rarely will a parent disattach themselves from the norms of society enough to look at
00:07:46.780 | their own children and say, "How can I spend our money to enable my child's education in
00:07:53.420 | the way that's best for my child?"
00:07:55.700 | And it's for this reason that I feel justified in beating this bell because parents are rightly
00:08:02.740 | concerned about their children's educational outcomes, and parents are right to dedicate
00:08:09.780 | their money toward this end.
00:08:14.740 | And yet, many parents don't even know where to start, and they waste hundreds of thousands
00:08:20.400 | of dollars on credentialization in the mainstream school system that doesn't serve their child
00:08:28.260 | well.
00:08:29.260 | Now, I'm grateful to see that many things have been changing in the past years.
00:08:34.540 | I see more and more parents who are willing to slow down to read a book and to study and
00:08:39.620 | to think.
00:08:40.620 | I see more and more parents who are willing to change their life and lifestyle to meet
00:08:44.820 | the needs of their children.
00:08:47.260 | That's my hope that by sharing these ideas with you, I can help you to more effectively
00:08:53.800 | invest the money in your child's education.
00:08:59.300 | Because the most effective investments are not my telling you which funds to put into
00:09:03.980 | your 529 plan or which state's 529 plan to participate in.
00:09:14.660 | But my best way to actually get to the root of the matter is to help you rethink the whole
00:09:20.020 | idea of a 529 plan.
00:09:23.260 | The problem is this.
00:09:25.400 | As a parent, you feel tremendous pressure to go along with your peers.
00:09:31.980 | You feel tremendous pressure to go along with what's normal.
00:09:36.900 | You feel tremendous pressure to fit in.
00:09:41.460 | And so in order for you to go against that and to make unique individual decisions for
00:09:48.100 | your life and for your family, you will need a huge amount of self-confidence.
00:09:54.980 | You will probably need to do a significant amount of research and you will need confidence
00:10:04.000 | that's wrought from education for you to go in a different direction.
00:10:10.100 | As no doubt you can hear, I continue to experience a weakness in my voice and so I'm not operating
00:10:16.380 | at 100%.
00:10:18.300 | And so this week I'm going to just release a couple of audio files for you from John
00:10:24.900 | Taylor Gatto.
00:10:26.260 | I'm going to release this file that you'll hear.
00:10:29.700 | I also intend to release a relatively short one hour lecture that he delivered called
00:10:36.020 | A Short Angry History of American Education.
00:10:37.860 | It will save you a reading of several hundred pages and give you kind of an overview.
00:10:43.580 | I also intend to release to you a fairly lengthy file which was recorded by Richard Grove
00:10:48.140 | back in 2011 before Gatto suffered a stroke called The Ultimate History Lesson.
00:10:52.940 | Now depending on your learning style you may find those files very dense.
00:10:57.460 | Gatto is not a linear presenter.
00:11:00.700 | He's more of, I'm not sure the word to use, but it doesn't go bing bing bing bing bing
00:11:07.020 | from one point clearly to the next.
00:11:08.940 | So it's one of those things where you need some familiarity with the concepts to follow
00:11:13.620 | the threads.
00:11:14.700 | But I'll release it to you here in an audio form in case you, in hopes that it will serve
00:11:20.300 | you.
00:11:21.300 | That at least you can listen to the content and you can go from there and follow the resources
00:11:24.020 | out if you want.
00:11:25.020 | I'd like to read you Gatto's obituary that was published in the, again, the Foundation
00:11:30.720 | for Economic Education because I think it gives the uninitiated a good insight into
00:11:35.100 | who he was.
00:11:36.940 | John Taylor Gatto, 1935 to 2018.
00:11:40.740 | Remembering America's Most Courageous Teacher.
00:11:44.300 | Gatto leaves behind a legacy that inspired thousands of people to challenge the premise
00:11:48.660 | on which our education system was built.
00:11:51.260 | This obituary is by Brittany Hunter.
00:11:54.620 | It is with a heavy heart that we mourn the passing of a revolutionary educator, John
00:11:58.940 | Taylor Gatto.
00:12:00.580 | Gatto spent nearly 30 years as a teacher in the infamously rough New York City public
00:12:05.720 | school system.
00:12:07.260 | He was awarded New York City Teacher of the Year three consecutive years while also being
00:12:11.300 | recognized as New York State Teacher of the Year in 1991.
00:12:16.220 | Over the course of his career, Gatto was recognized by other educators for the rapport he had
00:12:20.940 | built with his students.
00:12:23.060 | While other teachers were spending much of their day on behavioral management issues,
00:12:27.140 | Gatto's students were actively engaged in his lectures and genuinely excited about learning.
00:12:33.620 | When faculty members would come to him seeking advice, his prescription was simple.
00:12:38.940 | Treat your students the same way you'd treat anyone else.
00:12:42.980 | Above all, Gatto understood that his students were not mere underlings, but individuals
00:12:49.940 | with unique skills and talents to share with the rest of the world.
00:12:54.220 | They didn't want to be talked down to, but longed to be treated with respect and dignity.
00:13:00.940 | He recognized that their worth was not determined by the neighborhoods where they lived, their
00:13:05.420 | parents' annual salaries, or the scores they received on standardized tests.
00:13:10.780 | He concluded that "genius is as common as dirt.
00:13:15.380 | We suppress genius because we haven't yet figured out how to manage a population of
00:13:19.820 | educated men and women.
00:13:21.700 | The solution, I think, is simple and glorious.
00:13:24.660 | Let them manage themselves."
00:13:28.860 | After three decades in the classroom, Gatto realized that the public school system was
00:13:32.700 | squashing individualism more than it was educating students and preparing them for the real world.
00:13:40.540 | To make matters worse, his later research would reveal that this dumbing down was not
00:13:45.220 | just by accident, but by design.
00:13:49.740 | Feeling the education system was beyond repair, Gatto could no longer, in good conscience,
00:13:54.980 | be an active participant.
00:13:57.460 | Rather than sending his letter of resignation to his superiors in his school district, he
00:14:01.700 | sent a copy of "I Quit, I Think" to the Wall Street Journal where it was published
00:14:06.420 | as an op-ed on July 25, 1991.
00:14:10.700 | In his biting resignation, he wrote, "I've come slowly to understand what it is I really
00:14:17.820 | teach—a curriculum of confusion, class position, arbitrary justice, vulgarity, rudeness, disrespect
00:14:26.460 | for privacy, indifference to quality, and utter dependency.
00:14:31.020 | I teach how to fit into a world I don't want to live in.
00:14:34.860 | I just can't do it anymore.
00:14:36.500 | I can't train children to wait to be told what to do.
00:14:40.340 | I can't train people to drop what they're doing when a bell sounds.
00:14:43.940 | I can't persuade children to feel some justice in their class placement when there isn't
00:14:48.780 | any.
00:14:49.780 | And I can't persuade children to believe teachers have valuable secrets they can acquire
00:14:53.700 | by becoming our disciples.
00:14:55.820 | That isn't true."
00:14:59.340 | Gatto dedicated the rest of his life to repairing the damage done by the public education system.
00:15:04.260 | He wrote several books on his experience in the classroom, including "Dumbing Us Down,
00:15:08.900 | the Hidden Curriculum of Compulsory Schooling" and "Weapons of Mass Instruction, a School
00:15:14.020 | Teacher's Journey Through the Dark World of Compulsory Schooling."
00:15:17.900 | His book, "The Underground History of American Education" is perhaps the most accurate and
00:15:22.460 | damning history of the American education system that has ever been written.
00:15:27.540 | Gatto encouraged parents to foster an environment where their children could follow their bliss
00:15:32.180 | rather than being stuck in a classroom, trained to be just another cog in the machine.
00:15:37.420 | He inspired teachers to reassess their reasons for becoming educators and to challenge the
00:15:41.700 | status quo.
00:15:43.340 | He was also a firm believer in self-directed education, sometimes referred to as "unschooling."
00:15:49.700 | He believed that learning was actually inhibited by the classroom setting and that every single
00:15:54.400 | moment of life presented the opportunity to learn and grow.
00:15:58.860 | He wrote, "Children learn what they live.
00:16:01.620 | Put kids in a class and they will live out their lives in an invisible cage, isolated
00:16:06.260 | from their chance at community.
00:16:09.140 | Interrupt kids with bells and horns all the time and they will learn that nothing is important
00:16:14.460 | or worth finishing.
00:16:16.580 | Ridicule them and they will retreat from human association.
00:16:19.740 | Shame them and they will find a hundred ways to get even.
00:16:23.380 | The habits taught in large-scale organizations are deadly."
00:16:28.500 | Author and ardent unschooling advocate, Kerry MacDonald, had this to say of Gatto's legacy
00:16:33.060 | in this regard, "John Taylor Gatto's writings inspired a generation of parents and educators
00:16:38.240 | to question deep-seated beliefs about compulsory mass schooling and pursue alternatives.
00:16:44.380 | For homeschoolers in particular, Gatto affirmed the vital role of family and empowered parents
00:16:49.460 | to take back control of their child's education.
00:16:52.500 | His words will continue to have a lasting impact on education for years to come."
00:16:57.820 | Zach Slaback, who authored "The End of School" and wrote the foreword to Gatto's newest edition
00:17:02.660 | of "Dumbing Us Down" also had a few remarks on Gatto's legacy.
00:17:06.940 | Gatto's writing, teaching, and approach to not just education, but human flourishing
00:17:11.780 | in general, inspired me to think critically about my own life and education.
00:17:16.660 | He's one of the most important thinkers in American history.
00:17:19.900 | That's becoming more obvious every day.
00:17:22.340 | He'll be missed dearly.
00:17:24.660 | Slaback also said he carries a card in his wallet with this John Taylor Gatto quote,
00:17:28.900 | "You either learn your way towards writing your own script in life, or you become an
00:17:33.860 | unwitting actor in somebody else's script."
00:17:37.980 | On October 25th, after a long battle with health issues, Gatto departed this world at
00:17:42.380 | 82 years old.
00:17:44.020 | He has survived by his loving wife and two children.
00:17:47.820 | In addition to his family, he leaves behind a legacy that inspired thousands of people
00:17:51.540 | to challenge the premise on which our education system was built and to protect a child's
00:17:57.300 | right to a real education built on actual experience rather than government-sanctioned
00:18:04.060 | texts.
00:18:05.980 | So as we honor the life of this great man, I'll leave you with a few of Gatto's most
00:18:09.100 | inspirational quotes.
00:18:12.780 | School is a 12-year jail sentence where bad habits are the only curriculum truly learned.
00:18:18.140 | I teach school and win awards doing it, I should know.
00:18:23.460 | It is absurd and anti-life to be part of a system that compels you to sit in confinement
00:18:30.540 | with people of exactly the same age and social class.
00:18:34.540 | That system effectively cuts you off from the immense diversity of life and the synergy
00:18:39.580 | of variety.
00:18:40.580 | Indeed, it cuts you off from your own past and future, sealing you in a continuous present,
00:18:46.980 | much the same way television does.
00:18:49.300 | It is absurd and anti-life to move from cell to cell at the sound of a gong for every day
00:18:57.140 | of your natural youth in an institution that allows you no privacy and even follows you
00:19:02.900 | into the sanctuary of your home, demanding that you do its homework.
00:19:08.460 | How will they learn to read, you ask?
00:19:10.760 | And my answer is, remember the lessons of Massachusetts.
00:19:14.760 | When children are given whole lives instead of age-graded ones in cell blocks, they learn
00:19:20.660 | to read, write, and do arithmetic with ease, if those things make sense in the kind of
00:19:26.180 | life that unfolds around them.
00:19:30.300 | Independent study, community service, adventures and experience, large doses of privacy and
00:19:36.340 | solitude, a thousand different apprenticeships, the one-day variety or longer, these are all
00:19:42.060 | powerful, cheap, and effective ways to start a real reform of schooling.
00:19:47.900 | But no large-scale reform is ever going to work to repair our damaged children and our
00:19:53.420 | damaged society until we force open the idea of "school" to include "family" as the main
00:20:00.500 | engine of education.
00:20:02.660 | If we use schooling to break children away from parents, and make no mistake, that has
00:20:08.220 | been the central function of schools since John Cotton announced it as the purpose of
00:20:12.140 | the Bay Colony schools in 1650, and Horace Mann announced it as the purpose of Massachusetts
00:20:16.900 | school in 1850, we're going to continue to have the horror show we have right now.
00:20:27.140 | Whatever an education is, it should make you a unique individual, not a conformist.
00:20:32.900 | It should furnish you with an original spirit with which to tackle the big challenges.
00:20:37.760 | It should allow you to find values which will be your roadmap through life.
00:20:42.260 | It should make you spiritually rich, a person who loves whatever you are doing, wherever
00:20:48.020 | you are, whomever you are with.
00:20:50.820 | It should teach you what is important, how to live, and how to die.
00:20:56.740 | I want to close today's show with reading to you a short excerpt from one of John's
00:21:03.260 | talks where he discusses the purpose of schooling.
00:21:10.100 | This talk has been reworked into a fairly popular YouTube video, but the creators of
00:21:18.220 | the video put a bunch of music underneath it, and I couldn't find, I didn't find it
00:21:24.300 | to add much, and I couldn't find a recording of it without the music.
00:21:28.900 | And so I've decided just simply to read to you the transcript.
00:21:32.780 | So again in closing, this is John Taylor Gatto speaking on the purpose of schooling.
00:21:41.420 | School was intended on this continent to be as it had been in northern Germany, a fifth
00:21:46.500 | column into the burgeoning libertarian condition where disenfranchised and oppressed groups
00:21:52.500 | were clamoring for some kind of seat at the bargaining table.
00:21:56.540 | School was to be a surgical incision into which the class-based management theories
00:22:00.300 | of England were to be inserted to interdict the liberty traditions.
00:22:05.460 | England's multi-layered social class is simply a modern-day representation of Julius Caesar's
00:22:10.180 | advice that when you are overwhelmed by the enemy, you divide them and conquer them that
00:22:15.860 | way by setting them against each other.
00:22:19.080 | The method was to be by infiltration into the minds of children out of sight of their
00:22:25.700 | parents.
00:22:27.340 | The well-read here won't be shocked.
00:22:30.900 | Theorists from Plato to Rousseau to Frederick of Prussia knew and taught explicitly that
00:22:36.900 | if children could be kept childish beyond its term in nature, if they could be cloistered
00:22:42.860 | in a society of children without any real responsibility except obedience, if their
00:22:50.260 | inner lives could be attenuated by removing the insights of history, literature, philosophy,
00:22:57.540 | economics, religion, if the imminence of death and the certainty of pain and loss could be
00:23:03.380 | removed from daily consciousness, if the profound reflections on one's own death could be replaced
00:23:10.400 | by the trivializing emotions of greed, envy, jealousy, and fear, young people would grow
00:23:18.420 | older but they would never grow up, and a great enduring problem of supervision would
00:23:25.660 | be solved.
00:23:27.100 | For who can argue against the truth that childish and childlike people are much easier to manage
00:23:35.660 | than critically trained, self-reliant ones?
00:23:40.260 | Now you are ready to hear the six purposes of modern schooling taken directly from Dr.
00:23:46.220 | Anglis' book.
00:23:48.500 | The first function of schooling is "adjustive."
00:23:53.420 | Schools are to establish fixed habits of reaction to authority.
00:23:58.220 | It is fixed habits of reaction.
00:24:03.320 | Notice that this precludes critical judgment completely.
00:24:06.920 | Notice too that requiring obedience to stupid orders is a much better test of function 1
00:24:15.300 | than following sensible orders ever could be.
00:24:19.060 | You don't know whether people are reflexively obedient unless they will march right off
00:24:24.740 | the cliff.
00:24:27.100 | Second is the "diagnostic" function.
00:24:31.080 | Each school is to determine each student's proper social role, logging the evidence mathematically
00:24:38.620 | and anecdotally on cumulative records.
00:24:42.740 | You probably thought that the kid or a parent or neighbors, the region or circumstances.
00:24:47.900 | No.
00:24:48.900 | The school is to determine your proper social role, and they are to fix you in that role
00:24:55.540 | mathematically on their cumulative records.
00:25:00.900 | Next comes the "sorting" function.
00:25:04.580 | School sorts children by training individuals only so far as their likely destination in
00:25:10.740 | the social machine, not one step beyond.
00:25:14.060 | Keep in mind, you're not listening to John Gatto.
00:25:16.260 | You're listening to the man for whom the Honor Lecture in Education at Harvard is named.
00:25:23.900 | The fourth function is "conformity."
00:25:26.560 | As much as possible, kids are to be made alike.
00:25:30.060 | Whatever the background they come from, they are to be made alike.
00:25:34.140 | This is not done from any passion for egalitarian ideals, but so that their future behavior
00:25:40.700 | will be mathematically predictable in service to market research and government research.
00:25:49.320 | Next comes the "hygienic" function.
00:25:51.520 | This one is my favorite.
00:25:52.880 | This has nothing to do with individual health, but it has a lot to do with the health of
00:25:57.020 | the race.
00:25:58.280 | At least as Anglis or Darwin or his first cousin, Galton, saw it.
00:26:04.100 | Hygiene is a polite way of saying that school is expected to accelerate natural selection
00:26:10.380 | by tagging the unfit so clearly by humiliation—that's what all those humiliations from first grade
00:26:16.420 | on rankings are all about—so clearly that the unfit will drop from the reproduction
00:26:24.460 | sweepstakes, either in despair or because their likely mates will have accepted the
00:26:29.740 | school's judgment of them as terminally inferior.
00:26:34.740 | And last comes a fancy Latin word, the "propaedutic" function.
00:26:39.820 | That's fancy word meaning that a small fraction of lucky kids will quietly be taught how to
00:26:44.780 | take over management of this continuing project.
00:26:47.660 | Guardians of a population deliberately dumbed down and rendered childlike in order that
00:26:54.360 | government and economic life can be managed with a minimum of hassle.
00:26:59.500 | It's that low-down nitty-gritty common purpose—not Marxist grand warfare between
00:27:05.700 | classes and greedy captains of industry.
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