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building a plan for financial freedom in 10 years or less. 00:00:12.480 |
Today we're not going to talk about a specific financial planning question. 00:00:15.720 |
Rather, I'm going to talk to you about who you are and who your fellow listeners are. 00:00:22.080 |
I'm going to report to you on some demographic data from a recent advertising – excuse 00:00:28.120 |
me, recent demographic survey that I completed, which was very interesting to me to learn 00:00:40.080 |
I love these pictures that many of you are sending in to me. 00:00:43.280 |
By the way, I ask you if you haven't yet sent me a picture, please just send me a quick 00:00:49.040 |
I want to put some pictures on a screensaver and print some out so I can always keep in 00:00:52.620 |
mind who my listening audience is with actual faces. 00:00:57.260 |
In addition to that, please make sure that you take a moment and record a quick two to 00:01:01.560 |
three-minute voice memo on your phone and email that to Joshua@radicalpersonalfinance.com 00:01:06.840 |
telling me what you've learned and what you've changed in your life as a result of Radical 00:01:11.320 |
I'd like to do a special episode 500 of the show and put that together so that you can 00:01:20.160 |
Other listeners can be encouraged by what's happened in your life since listening to Radical 00:01:25.940 |
Please just record a voice memo on your phone and email that to me, Joshua@radicalpersonalfinance.com 00:01:35.120 |
I haven't yet received any voice memos yet, so please do that. 00:01:40.600 |
But I'll paint you a demographic picture of who you are. 00:01:49.520 |
You are white and you are between the ages of 25 to 54. 00:01:55.420 |
You are extremely highly educated and you earn a lot of money. 00:02:04.240 |
I'll give you the breakdown of all those because I think it's so interesting to see that data 00:02:08.760 |
and I want to share that with you as well as share with you what I learned. 00:02:12.320 |
I want to do one quick sponsor of the day before I get into the numbers. 00:02:18.720 |
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I found for me that I just could not stand learning all the WordPress stuff. 00:03:43.560 |
And I've been so thrilled to work with him for the last few years. 00:03:50.960 |
So let me run through a couple of the breakdowns here of the listenership, and then we'll come 00:03:56.880 |
back and I'll give you some of my analysis of these things. 00:03:59.440 |
First, about 80% of you are men and 21% of you are women. 00:04:04.880 |
Now compared to other podcast listeners, that skews pretty heavily male. 00:04:10.960 |
One of the challenges with going through this data is what do I compare this to? 00:04:14.360 |
Do I compare this to the general population data? 00:04:18.180 |
That would be a little hard to do because podcast listeners are a very small slice of 00:04:27.000 |
I pulled some data from a company called Edison Research who's done some research in the area 00:04:36.640 |
What they found is, first of all, still, even though it's growing steadily, a very small 00:04:41.580 |
percentage of people actually listen to podcasts in terms of the number of the percentage of 00:04:50.040 |
Just under about 2% of the population regularly listens to podcasts. 00:04:54.080 |
Sorry, not 2% of the population, but 2% of the total listening time from their fall 2014 00:05:02.080 |
Those who listen to podcasts listen to a lot of podcasts and listen for a long time, but 00:05:08.520 |
I'm comparing this to the Edison data because that's probably the closest comparison I can 00:05:14.240 |
The percentage of people who listen to podcasts, you could guess, would skew younger rather 00:05:19.680 |
than older, for an older person much more likely to turn on the radio than my generation, 00:05:25.280 |
would skew more educated and more higher income because of more familiarity with the digital 00:05:34.960 |
I'm going to compare my audience to the Edison data. 00:05:40.720 |
If 80% of you listening to my show are men, 21% are women, that would be compared to the 00:05:46.000 |
Edison data, which would be, say, 56% are men, 44% are women. 00:05:51.960 |
The age bracket tree is very interesting to me. 00:05:55.960 |
Probably the most important demographic is that 88% of you are between 25 and 54 years 00:06:03.360 |
If I broaden that to ... Well, 25 to 54 is 88% of you. 00:06:08.480 |
18 to 34 is 55%, with the most important, of course, being 21 to 34. 00:06:14.800 |
That demographic of 25 to 34-year-olds is about 49% of my listening audience. 00:06:21.120 |
Half of you are right in my generational cohort. 00:06:25.040 |
Then 30% of you are in the 35 to 44-year-old generational cohort. 00:06:40.000 |
I'll put this data in the blog post for today's show. 00:06:43.360 |
Marital status, 70% of you are married, 27% of you are single, 2.4% divorced. 00:06:57.840 |
Marriage is good for your health and for your wealth. 00:07:07.160 |
4.5% of you are Asian, and 4.5% of you are Hispanic. 00:07:12.840 |
So I would say there's a heavy, heavy white skew. 00:07:20.600 |
These are the two big ones that are really interesting. 00:07:22.600 |
We'll come back through the analysis in just a second. 00:07:27.160 |
91% of you have a college degree or higher, and 96% of you have at least attended college. 00:07:38.280 |
So that is a massive skew towards high education. 00:07:43.920 |
Lots of lots and lots of formal education, which means that my student loan advertisers 00:07:48.020 |
are pretty good advertisers to keep around for you guys. 00:07:51.040 |
If we were to compare that to other podcast listeners, let me give you an example of how 00:07:57.680 |
Other podcast listeners, 22% have a high school education or less, whereas for you, my listening 00:08:04.240 |
audience, 2.1% of you have a high school degree or less. 00:08:11.460 |
Of the one to three years of ... Let's just go with a four-year degree or higher. 00:08:16.260 |
Of the general population, 51% ... Excuse me. 00:08:18.600 |
The general podcast listening population, 51% report that they have a four-year degree 00:08:23.760 |
But of you, my listening audience, 85% of you, 86% have a four-year college degree or 00:08:52.160 |
And 90% of you earn in excess of $50,000 per year. 00:08:59.040 |
It's hard to overstate how extreme this skew is towards high income. 00:09:05.360 |
If we were to compare that to the Edison data, Edison would report that 28% of podcast listeners 00:09:16.000 |
Whereas for you, my listening audience, you report that 60% of you earn in excess of $100,000 00:09:24.440 |
If we broaden that to 75 and over, 41% of listeners in the general podcast space report 00:09:39.640 |
And remember that this Edison data is podcast listeners who in and of themselves skew high 00:09:48.800 |
So what does this mean and was I surprised by it? 00:09:55.440 |
I never have intended to try to speak to men or speak to women here on Radical Personal 00:10:05.060 |
My guess would be that my content would appeal more to men than to women, but I've never 00:10:11.020 |
intentionally tried to make any difference here. 00:10:16.420 |
I have another show, Encouraging Christian Fathers, that's exclusively to men. 00:10:20.380 |
I should do some demographic data there to see if any women sneak in, but that one's 00:10:25.320 |
So I'd expect that to appeal to men, but I don't particularly try to do anything here. 00:10:31.060 |
It's just interesting to observe that the audience does skew very male. 00:10:37.360 |
As far as the age bracketing, that makes sense to me as well. 00:10:40.980 |
With the majority of the audience being between that 25 to 54, that's the goldmine for advertising. 00:10:46.660 |
88% of you are 25 to 54 and you're the primary target for advertisers. 00:10:51.820 |
So that's where I'm working to beef things up there. 00:10:55.920 |
It's also reflective, I think, of the podcast culture, which would skew younger. 00:11:04.200 |
My show would definitely skew younger even than podcast listeners. 00:11:11.780 |
I think this is reflective of the type of topics that I choose to talk about versus 00:11:17.480 |
For example, I haven't done a big long series on social security planning, although I have 00:11:21.720 |
It just doesn't interest me as much as other things. 00:11:25.480 |
Because of my bias in choosing topics that interest me, I think that also is reflective 00:11:31.120 |
of the topics that will interest more of you. 00:11:34.140 |
If I want to attract a more diverse age bracketry, I need to choose a more diverse array of topics. 00:11:40.500 |
Marital status is also fascinating to me because of this correlation of marital status with 00:11:48.480 |
70% of you are married, and that's a significant skew versus the general population. 00:11:56.340 |
Over the last five decades, there has been a significant ongoing decline in marriage 00:12:02.160 |
rates, especially marriage rates among young adults. 00:12:05.520 |
But the story of the decline of these marriage rates varies dramatically depending on the 00:12:12.720 |
education and the income earning level of the respondent. 00:12:18.140 |
In many ways, you have the story of two Americas. 00:12:20.800 |
Just recently, a couple of months ago, I finished Charles Murray's book called Coming Apart, 00:12:31.280 |
It was probably the most important book that I've read so far this year in terms of it 00:12:35.760 |
has helped me tremendously to understand what's happened in my own country here in the United 00:12:44.280 |
To really understand, it helped me to put current politics into view. 00:12:48.740 |
It helped me to put current social issues into view in a way that I never before understood. 00:12:53.280 |
The story that he paints is essentially that there are two new Americas that 50 years ago 00:12:59.020 |
I won't take the time to prove and provide all the supporting evidence for his thesis, 00:13:04.780 |
There's been the development of a new upper-class elite class which never before existed, and 00:13:10.980 |
is not based upon income, although income is correlated to the elite. 00:13:15.460 |
It's based upon education, and it's a class difference, a different lifestyle and a different 00:13:21.220 |
The other kind of amazing trend that has emerged is that there's been the development of a 00:13:28.180 |
massive new lower class which never before existed in US history. 00:13:35.140 |
That is based partly on income, but it's also class distinction. 00:13:40.580 |
The story that he tells in the book is really interesting because the upper-class elite 00:13:45.380 |
systematically discard many of the traditional values that the United States of America was 00:13:53.740 |
founded on, the traditional values in terms of lifestyle. 00:14:00.740 |
The upper-class discard this in their vocal support, but in actual practice, people who 00:14:07.580 |
are highly educated tend to get married and stay married, whereas in the lower class, 00:14:15.900 |
marriage as an institution has fundamentally fallen apart, and people in the lower class 00:14:20.100 |
very rarely get married and they very rarely stay married. 00:14:28.380 |
I don't want to get into that in detail today, but it's interesting to me that you who are 00:14:32.420 |
listening skew heavily married, especially heavily married in the context of the age, 00:14:41.420 |
the trending towards youth, because when you pull apart the data on marriage rates among 00:14:47.620 |
the general population, at an older age, that's different than at a younger age. 00:14:54.340 |
My generation and younger is, especially among poor people and low-income earners, are getting 00:15:02.980 |
Much more likely, again, at higher education and higher income to get married, but still, 00:15:07.740 |
there's still been a significant decline there over the last 50 years. 00:15:12.620 |
The other, of course, possible reason here that so many of you could skew married would 00:15:18.260 |
be my own personal religious beliefs and the fact that I am pretty vocal. 00:15:24.700 |
Many people consider me to be fairly vocal about those religious beliefs. 00:15:29.060 |
My guess would be that if I had any religious information, that you and the listening audience 00:15:33.820 |
would skew more religious than the general population, less secular, more religious. 00:15:38.220 |
I know this is a common complaint in the corners of the internet about my show, that I preach 00:15:43.820 |
too much, I talk about religion, blah, blah, blah. 00:15:46.620 |
I would expect that you would skew less secular than the general population. 00:15:52.500 |
That would also correlate heavily with being married. 00:15:56.660 |
I can't prove that one, but that would be my guess. 00:15:59.140 |
The racial makeup is, I don't quite know what to do with this. 00:16:02.940 |
On the one hand, it doesn't really matter to me in the sense of what color someone's 00:16:07.220 |
skin is, but what does matter to me is that I'm not really reaching an audience that is 00:16:19.300 |
I bill my show as appealing master's degree level information, so of course my audience 00:16:28.500 |
But I've had this dream ever since I started of being able to provide information, this 00:16:33.620 |
dream of the 17-year-old boy or girl that finds me on their smartphone and listens to 00:16:39.980 |
my show and learns everything they need to break out and be rich. 00:16:49.780 |
Obviously it's nothing more than a dream because my content is so technical. 00:16:56.780 |
One thing that this demographic data has done, among other things, I've become much more 00:17:01.420 |
deeply appreciative of other broadcasters and their approach. 00:17:05.820 |
For example, when I started this show three years ago, I was heavily critical of Dave 00:17:12.100 |
He's, of course, the leading giant force in the personal finance field. 00:17:21.740 |
Everything he does rocks through the personal finance world. 00:17:27.580 |
Some of that critique was technical, but some of it was just frustration with style. 00:17:32.820 |
Why do you say the same thing over and over again? 00:17:34.540 |
Why do you answer the same questions over and over again? 00:17:37.180 |
Three years later, I have almost no criticisms of Dave Ramsey and almost nothing but appreciation. 00:17:44.660 |
I especially have a deep appreciation of his ability to reach people who are not high income 00:17:51.660 |
earners and who are not very educated because he's done more good in that space than anybody 00:17:58.740 |
I understand the brilliance of his approach, especially given his radio audience. 00:18:04.420 |
I just understand the brilliance of his approach in a way that I've never understood. 00:18:10.100 |
The reason why the racial makeup is important to me is because there's a big difference 00:18:14.000 |
in income and wealth between black people and white people. 00:18:21.060 |
It's a big problem also between Spanish people, Hispanic people, and white people and black 00:18:32.420 |
I want to provide content that can help all kinds of people. 00:18:37.420 |
I kind of have this problem where I thought I would be able to create this thing that 00:18:41.700 |
would help the common person, the person who's just getting in off the streets. 00:18:46.180 |
I don't know why I was delusional about this, but thinking that if I say I'm going to do 00:18:51.700 |
master's degree level information and doing three hour long shows on five to nine plans, 00:18:56.540 |
of course that's not going to reach the common person. 00:18:59.980 |
But for some reason, I've been laboring under the self-delusion that I was going to reach 00:19:07.620 |
I'm still not ready to give up on that dream, but I think I need to have to go about it 00:19:12.460 |
a different way, which is something I don't have any answers to at the moment. 00:19:18.860 |
Not a lot to say here other than it's fascinating to me just to see the incredible correlation 00:19:26.620 |
between the fact that you are listening to this show and you tend to skew highly educated 00:19:33.820 |
and you're a high income earner and you're listening to a personal finance show. 00:19:40.580 |
Now are you listening to a personal finance show because you're highly educated and because 00:19:46.140 |
you earn a lot of money and you know what to do with it? 00:19:48.540 |
Or are you earning a lot of money because you're the kind of person who listens to a 00:19:55.660 |
Back to the kind of the self-selection bias of this data set, you had to choose to take 00:20:03.500 |
900 of you said, "Yes, I'll go take Joshua's survey." 00:20:07.060 |
But most of you, right now the listening audience, probably a daily audience, about 20,000 listeners 00:20:15.720 |
Sometimes there's spikes, sometimes less, but that's a small percentage of the 20,000 00:20:19.780 |
of you who are listening to the show who actually took the time to go fill out a survey. 00:20:24.020 |
So that tells me about something about your character. 00:20:26.380 |
The other thing that it tells me about is the fact that you listened through an entire 00:20:30.860 |
episode in order to hear my survey instructions. 00:20:34.260 |
Because I did not post or advertise that survey that I was doing anywhere except at the end 00:20:48.380 |
So that's really fascinating to me, just to kind of think and ponder through the fact 00:20:54.140 |
that you're the kind of person who's likely to listen to an entire personal finance show, 00:20:58.540 |
which is not for the faint of heart, detailed, complex, sometimes long. 00:21:07.020 |
And so you're also the kind of person who's earning a lot of money and who has finished 00:21:19.260 |
I would love, I don't know that I have the patience for it. 00:21:22.580 |
Statistics is not my thing, but I would love to see and hear more research about just the 00:21:27.780 |
type of person and the causation correlation factors of this. 00:21:32.260 |
On the one hand, let's talk about just kind of output and results. 00:21:35.660 |
Probably the biggest disappointment to me personally was that I'm not reaching people 00:21:47.660 |
And that's not bad from a business perspective. 00:21:50.700 |
And I'm not going to change, by the way, I'm not going to change radical personal finance 00:21:55.780 |
I'm just telling you personally, that was a dream of mine. 00:21:59.100 |
I want to help people who are just getting started. 00:22:01.580 |
And I thought, well, if I just put something out there for free, people will find it. 00:22:04.620 |
Well, yeah, the people found it were the people who were looking for it. 00:22:09.980 |
I mean, you guys are doing well, many of you. 00:22:14.460 |
I know some of you are struggling, but on the whole, you're doing really well. 00:22:23.180 |
I do think that first, that podcasting is probably not the best medium for it. 00:22:32.980 |
Even though I love that podcasting is free, video is probably a better medium for it. 00:22:38.860 |
A couple of my listeners, and I mentioned it, pointed out that in many ways, Tai Lopez, 00:22:44.740 |
he's the here in my garage guy who does all the stuff on YouTube, he's probably the one 00:22:49.460 |
who's reaching that cohort, younger people getting started, or Gary V, some of these 00:22:54.420 |
kind of people who are doing a lot of video work. 00:22:57.180 |
So I'd like to do more video work because video is definitely, unfortunately, young 00:23:03.220 |
people don't read, poor people don't really read, and video is probably the best. 00:23:11.700 |
So video is probably the best avenue of reaching that type of demographic. 00:23:16.420 |
So I've got to figure out what I want to do there. 00:23:24.260 |
I love helping people who are rich get richer. 00:23:27.700 |
But I want to help people who are poor get rich too. 00:23:33.420 |
So I guess the other outcome of this is in thinking about the content of the show, that 00:23:38.580 |
now that I know who you are, listening, I need to tailor my content to help serve you. 00:23:44.700 |
Of course, I could try to tailor my content to help serve the poor person, but I think 00:23:50.260 |
Dave Ramsey is doing that really well and I don't have the patience to do what he does. 00:23:54.260 |
So it's made me reflect and to say, "Okay, how can I serve this audience better?" 00:24:01.420 |
It's also made me consider more deeply my business model because with the average income 00:24:07.180 |
and the education level of you, the listening audience, it proves to me that if I can create 00:24:14.180 |
better, more useful materials for you, you'll pay for education and you've got the disposable 00:24:22.340 |
And so that's been a major takeaway for me as well, to look at it and say, "Okay, well, 00:24:31.940 |
I hope you don't feel slighted by my talking about my disappointment. 00:24:38.220 |
It's an honor and I want to serve you better. 00:24:40.700 |
I want to serve you better than I've been doing that. 00:24:43.420 |
So please, I was just simply expressing that because it was just kind of a dream of mine 00:24:48.060 |
and that was just one takeaway that I had that I wasn't really doing a good job there. 00:24:55.740 |
I share that with you and for interest, I applaud you and congratulate you on your listening 00:25:01.620 |
to this because it's reflective in the fact that you are getting great results. 00:25:06.780 |
So if you are in the listenership, if you felt not represented here by my commentary, 00:25:13.940 |
if you felt that, "Well, Joshua, I'm not in that bracket. 00:25:18.020 |
I'm not earning a lot of money or I'm not highly educated or I'm this other color of 00:25:22.220 |
skin or whatever," just recognize that there is correlation and there is causation here 00:25:29.900 |
that as my job is to serve you and I want to see these numbers go up over time. 00:25:34.980 |
As new people come on, I want to take those of you who are earning under $25,000 per year, 00:25:42.020 |
which is 2.8% of you, and I want to move you into the $200,000 and up category. 00:25:50.660 |
I'll put some of these numbers in the blog post today. 00:25:53.340 |
You can see them and take a look at the breakdown. 00:25:55.460 |
I want to thank you to all of you who have taken the survey. 00:26:00.020 |
If you haven't taken the survey, the survey is still open and I just wanted to promote 00:26:04.020 |
it for a short period of time, but it's still open. 00:26:13.580 |
There's an email box there, but you can leave that blank. 00:26:18.000 |
Five quick questions will take you about 30 seconds to do. 00:26:22.900 |
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Probably one of the biggest challenges has been to grow the patron program and that's 00:26:43.900 |
But as of present, there are 260 of you who are sending me $1,625 a month. 00:26:50.020 |
And I don't want to say thank you for that, but if you're not one of the 260 who's 00:26:54.180 |
sending me a total of $1,625 a month and you're getting value, educational value from this, 00:26:59.860 |
I would be thrilled if you come on over and support the patron program. 00:27:03.360 |
You can do that at RadicalPersonalFinance.com/patron and link, as always, in the notes. 00:27:12.580 |
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