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The Dow Jones industrial average has been flirting 00:00:30.040 |
At the moment, just very much looking forward to that 00:00:36.920 |
As I record the show right now on January 11, 2017, 00:00:44.380 |
I think it's doing this little 90/10 rule for coming in for a kiss. 00:00:49.300 |
We've come in 90 percent and it's just simply sitting there and waiting, 00:00:53.960 |
waiting, waiting to make up the other 10 percent. 00:00:59.640 |
But here's the questions that matter, though. 00:01:02.960 |
Number one, what does it mean for the Dow to be at 20,000? 00:01:06.560 |
Number two, what does the Dow at 20,000 mean to you? 00:01:16.560 |
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A lot of people out there making a lot of noise about Dow at 20,000. 00:03:21.640 |
What's always funny about records in the stock market indexes 00:03:29.980 |
just a kind of a clashing of of ideas and opinions on what it means. 00:03:36.820 |
I think of it like a place if you go out on a boat and when the tide is turning 00:03:41.320 |
and you get two tidal currents where they meet, it's like these giant waves 00:03:45.060 |
stand up where you get two currents that meet. 00:03:47.560 |
It's just these big standing waves that sit there. 00:03:49.940 |
And I think of Dow or Dow or any stock index records as that. 00:03:54.740 |
You have on the one hand, you have the bulls and the other hand, 00:03:58.700 |
The bulls are excited about the fact that, hey, we're in new territory. 00:04:07.120 |
You're saying, oh, everything's going to be terrible. 00:04:09.120 |
And in today's world of financial media, where there's such a diversity of opinion. 00:04:14.080 |
I mean, the doom and gloomers are moaning and crying in their boots 00:04:17.860 |
about Dow at 20,000, just saying it's the most obvious example 00:04:23.820 |
Obviously, the Dow is at 20,000 and the economy is terrible. 00:04:28.620 |
And on the flip side, of course, you can make the opposite case. 00:04:32.580 |
Well, hard to boil all of the meaning down into one 00:04:38.540 |
short, little succinct podcast, but I'm going to do my best. 00:04:42.120 |
I want to start with just a little bit of background information, 00:04:45.880 |
We're not going to try to do deep level financial analyst stuff. 00:04:48.720 |
Just a little bit of information on what is the Dow Jones Industrial Average? 00:05:04.480 |
My guess would be that if you were going to ask 00:05:10.400 |
most normal people would begin with listing off 00:05:17.000 |
It's one of those things that's easily repeated. 00:05:18.900 |
It's reported at newscasts all the time, every evening news for decades. 00:05:23.780 |
Most people would probably have recognized Dow Jones Industrial Average 00:05:29.620 |
And it's one of the oldest indexes that's ever been created. 00:05:33.260 |
It was actually first calculated back in 1896. 00:05:42.760 |
Quick bit of history, the Dow Jones Industrial Average was named, 00:05:46.520 |
it was first created by a man named Charles Dow, 00:05:50.400 |
who was the co-founder of the Dow Jones & Company. 00:05:53.400 |
He came up and started coming up with this idea of these indexes, 00:05:57.700 |
and he created it together with one of his business associates, 00:06:11.240 |
so that they could have a metric to judge the performance. 00:06:15.000 |
The Dow Jones Industrial Average is not the oldest index, 00:06:20.580 |
The first index that the Dow Jones & Company came up with 00:06:29.800 |
And then they came up with this Dow Jones Industrial Average. 00:06:33.880 |
Now, it was largely originally intended to be related 00:06:41.400 |
Today, that's just kind of a historical misnomer 00:06:45.480 |
because it does very little to do with heavy industry of any kind. 00:06:51.400 |
The index was originally created with 12 stocks in it, 00:06:57.120 |
Here are the companies that are currently in the Dow Jones Industrial Average. 00:08:04.780 |
But the components of the Dow have been changed many times. 00:08:18.540 |
They started being listed in the index in 1907, 00:08:29.040 |
they've taken different companies in and out of the index. 00:08:54.000 |
There are other indexes that are much more useful. 00:08:56.820 |
Probably the biggest thing that you should be aware of 00:09:01.880 |
is that it is what's called a price-weighted index. 00:09:11.760 |
of the various up and down movements of the stocks 00:09:16.220 |
in calculating the Dow Jones Industrial Average 00:09:20.440 |
Meaning price is measured in dollars per share. 00:09:26.720 |
So if you have a stock that is $20 per share, 00:09:31.720 |
and that moves up by one point from $20 to $21 per share, 00:09:36.720 |
then that will move the Dow Jones Industrial Average 00:09:49.940 |
that'll move the Dow Jones Industrial Average 00:10:00.300 |
some of the potential problems of this structure. 00:10:07.340 |
for every dollar that the share price changes, 00:10:13.740 |
You can see here that you don't get any insight 00:10:20.340 |
or how many shares of stock that a company has. 00:10:23.380 |
See, you could have a company that has 10 shares of stock 00:10:26.120 |
at $10 a piece, or you could have that same exact company 00:10:29.900 |
could issue 20 shares of stock at $5 a piece, 00:10:35.900 |
You as an investor could buy the same value of the shares, 00:10:40.940 |
And there are different reasons why some companies 00:10:43.700 |
will have stock prices that'll trade at lower dollars 00:10:50.380 |
You famously have the share prices of something like a stock 00:10:54.660 |
like Berkshire Hathaway, which is tens of thousands 00:10:57.180 |
and now over $100,000, or you might have companies 00:11:00.980 |
that are down on their, considered to be penny stocks 00:11:08.140 |
that is important as the value of the company. 00:11:11.900 |
that's called the market capitalization, market cap, 00:11:20.420 |
nor is it reflected in the Dow Jones Industrial Average. 00:11:24.440 |
So you can also see here that if you have a company 00:11:27.340 |
that is very strong, but is moving from $80 in value 00:11:32.340 |
to $81 in value, that's a much smaller percentage move 00:12:08.960 |
When it was originally built with those 12 stocks, 00:12:12.940 |
You just take the total price divided of all the stocks, 00:12:19.760 |
But today, because of all of the stock splits 00:12:21.780 |
and the spinoffs, and sometimes new stocks come in 00:12:25.560 |
they have to consistently update the divisor, 00:12:34.680 |
It's varied all over the place in terms of the price. 00:12:38.240 |
It was, the divisor in 1928 was at 16.67 points, 00:12:43.240 |
so you would take all the prices of the stocks 00:12:47.480 |
divided by 16.67, and it's very, very low now. 00:12:54.260 |
but it's like 0.13 something, blah, blah, blah. 00:13:12.480 |
But that price weighting thing is a real problem. 00:13:15.040 |
It means that companies don't necessarily have 00:13:17.560 |
the influence that the size of the company would indicate. 00:13:24.160 |
Here's just one example from a Bloomberg article 00:13:31.600 |
The Dow Jones Industrial Average has climbed about 13%, 00:13:41.120 |
Its four best performers, all rising a similar amount, 00:13:49.240 |
But look at the distribution of those points. 00:14:06.640 |
you're driving down the road, pay attention to the numbers. 00:14:27.960 |
So Goldman Sachs, a company that's a third of the size, 00:14:32.840 |
contributes 415 points with a similar increase in value 00:14:39.520 |
The best performer in the index, Caterpillar, 00:14:47.680 |
Despite having a market capitalization of $55 billion. 00:15:00.200 |
how big of a deal this is, which is why generally, 00:15:05.960 |
financial advisors don't pay much attention to the Dow 00:15:13.120 |
and the public likes it than just about anything else. 00:15:18.840 |
They said, "Want to get the Dow above $20,000? 00:15:51.960 |
or even $10 billion Harley-Davidson are added. 00:16:11.360 |
Just don't replace it with $76 billion price line, 00:16:14.680 |
'cause that'll take all the fun out of Dow 30,000. 00:16:36.320 |
you can go and you can take this consistent methodology 00:16:38.920 |
and you can clearly chart the growth of the American economy, 00:16:46.880 |
It gives you a good indication of the direction 00:16:48.880 |
of the value of the share prices of the companies. 00:16:51.200 |
It's also important simply because it's always out there. 00:16:58.760 |
And it indicates the direction of the markets. 00:17:03.760 |
So certainly the Standard & Poor's 500 and NASDAQ 00:17:12.500 |
But you'll see that these generally move together. 00:17:18.120 |
are also at or near their own all-time highs. 00:17:21.440 |
So the Dow is definitely an index that sends a signal. 00:17:26.440 |
It's definitely something that people will notice. 00:17:43.680 |
You'll see it as attributed to all kinds of people. 00:17:45.860 |
President Obama's final victory of his administration. 00:17:52.580 |
It's the signal of the end of the world as we know it. 00:17:54.920 |
But you'll certainly see the 20,000 mark talked about. 00:18:08.080 |
Let's talk about what should the Dow at 20,000 mean to you 00:18:24.200 |
Well, it should mean in some ways very little to you 00:18:34.660 |
So yes, Dow Jones Industrial Average at 20,000 00:18:53.800 |
because you can't spend the Dow Jones Industrial Average, 00:18:57.280 |
but you can spend the money in your accounts. 00:19:19.680 |
of the Dow Jones Industrial Average performance 00:19:34.600 |
simply has psychological effects on the population 00:19:36.900 |
of the United States and the world and on stock traders, 00:19:48.820 |
Your portfolio is what you can actually spend. 00:19:53.560 |
Your portfolio is what will determine how wealthy 00:20:15.820 |
Many people will feel the emotion of the opposite. 00:20:27.280 |
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Because if you don't understand your nervousness 00:24:22.320 |
Now, stock market investing may or may not be right for you 00:24:25.580 |
and your portfolio may or may not be right for you. 00:24:28.200 |
Not every, in my opinion, not everybody should own stocks. 00:24:32.200 |
I don't buy the line that everybody should own stocks, 00:24:44.740 |
to handle the ups and downs of the stock market. 00:24:51.500 |
They pointed their focus in a different direction. 00:24:54.400 |
Now, obviously, I'm here to seek to educate you 00:24:58.620 |
on what numbers mean, what stocks mean, et cetera. 00:25:03.620 |
Your financial advisor is there to educate you 00:25:15.000 |
what's true and what's not and what works for you. 00:25:21.600 |
Now, a couple of comments on kind of what's going on 00:25:32.640 |
definitely some political winds that are blowing the Dow. 00:25:47.960 |
And he certainly has been making many more overtures 00:26:00.680 |
He's promised to be the greatest jobs president that, 00:26:03.760 |
he said, "I'm gonna be the greatest jobs president 00:26:11.000 |
I didn't know that God created jobs presidents. 00:26:18.160 |
But he's very, very focused on seeking to build up 00:26:31.440 |
what impact does the president actually have? 00:26:33.720 |
But at the very least, the president makes a signal. 00:26:46.320 |
that you have a Republican majority in the House, 00:26:50.280 |
you have a Republican majority in the Senate, 00:26:54.880 |
That is a remarkable, well, it's a remarkable move. 00:27:01.200 |
if they are able to work effectively together, 00:27:07.280 |
than past Congresses, where the Congress and the president, 00:27:11.960 |
the legislative branch and the executive branch 00:27:26.640 |
And this is the biggest thing that often frustrates me 00:27:30.200 |
that when I read articles and analysis that people make 00:27:38.040 |
is synonymous with the companies in the country. 00:27:53.640 |
that are not generally reported on the books, 00:28:03.120 |
accounts for 50% of the budget of the United States 00:28:12.480 |
Totally underfunded, depending on the number that you use. 00:28:15.600 |
You were talking hundreds of trillions of dollars. 00:28:21.360 |
I cite Professor Kotlikoff from Boston University, 00:28:24.780 |
but whatever, they're different estimates and who knows. 00:28:33.520 |
But the question is, is that problem solvable 00:28:37.280 |
and does that problem have to be solved by the companies? 00:28:42.120 |
I think this is one of the constant things that I see, 00:28:43.960 |
that companies and countries are different entities. 00:29:01.800 |
You have Apple Corporation and Boeing Corporation, 00:29:13.960 |
or the financial fiscal problems of the US government? 00:29:25.880 |
a little bit deeper and say, how does my company work? 00:29:28.580 |
Where does the revenues come from for my company? 00:29:31.640 |
What are the factors that are gonna influence my profits 00:29:38.240 |
That's the type of analysis that will make a difference. 00:29:40.840 |
No question, the President of the United States 00:29:52.600 |
and he started talking about pharmaceutical companies 00:29:56.800 |
or Boeing got hammered and their stock got hammered 00:30:00.040 |
because he got called out on the new Air Force One project. 00:30:11.980 |
in terms of the actual performance of the company. 00:30:16.080 |
companies and countries are not the same thing. 00:30:32.800 |
though they face many problems with massive bureaucracy, 00:30:43.560 |
who are looking at all the same information that you are 00:30:46.440 |
and seeking to understand how do we gain more customers, 00:31:02.120 |
Now, obviously, they're not all gonna change for the better. 00:31:08.460 |
And companies can change and adapt their business model 00:31:23.220 |
no matter what the Federal Reserve Board does, 00:31:31.320 |
Yeah, I had an interesting experience thinking about it. 00:31:34.460 |
There's a lot of fuss in the previous election cycle 00:31:39.080 |
about the potential changes of minimum wage laws. 00:31:45.460 |
I'm emphatically opposed to minimum wage laws. 00:31:48.300 |
I think they're discriminatory, and they hurt workers. 00:31:54.980 |
and they hurt the people who can afford to be the least hurt. 00:32:05.300 |
And so they're a terrible idea, in my opinion. 00:32:08.100 |
That comes from a profoundly deep free market conviction, 00:32:12.980 |
and the profound belief in the ability of two individuals 00:32:17.020 |
to come together and strike whatever voluntary contract 00:32:31.760 |
But there was a lot of hullabaloo about a minimum wage 00:32:37.420 |
Well, I've predicted for a long time and have observed 00:32:43.980 |
all you're lobbying for is your employer to work harder 00:32:53.260 |
And one of the biggest changes that I have seen 00:32:58.460 |
especially service-related jobs, are in jeopardy. 00:33:05.700 |
In the beginning, when self-checkout lanes first came open, 00:33:12.800 |
And so many people chose to go and work with the cashier. 00:33:16.160 |
So stores came out with just one or two lanes. 00:33:23.720 |
I personally often use the self-checkout lane 00:33:28.200 |
I can move quickly as long as people in front of me 00:33:30.600 |
are working, the payment systems are working faster. 00:33:36.080 |
There is a lot of fuss in the fast food working industry 00:33:47.240 |
the frontline workers with a computerized system. 00:33:50.280 |
And there may be different applications of this. 00:33:58.920 |
where a company can use a geolocation on your phone 00:34:10.140 |
You can just pick up, walk in, put the order on your phone 00:34:16.080 |
Well, for the first time this last two weeks ago 00:34:28.560 |
and giving your order to the person behind the counter, 00:34:30.920 |
you could just simply punch the info in the computer. 00:34:37.920 |
and be the majority of the ordering systems in the future, 00:34:43.120 |
Again, I could be wrong, but that's my prediction. 00:34:45.360 |
Because I would probably rather deal with a kiosk 00:34:49.360 |
especially a person who doesn't bring any value 00:34:57.880 |
at least with a computer I know what I'm gonna get. 00:35:01.840 |
that represents an indication, a current trend 00:35:04.240 |
that you can watch and see in your own experience 00:35:10.000 |
based upon legislation and based upon economic environment. 00:35:13.920 |
If wages were, if a company could pay $2 an hour 00:35:22.240 |
they would have almost no incentive to bring on computers, 00:35:27.400 |
my guess, I haven't researched all of their books. 00:35:33.720 |
and then the person is replaced by a computer. 00:35:36.600 |
So companies have the ability to make that change. 00:35:52.160 |
on federal workers and the federal government. 00:35:56.180 |
Well, companies will work their way through that. 00:35:59.480 |
So don't associate governments and companies too tightly. 00:36:05.480 |
Yes, they both matter, but they are not synonymous. 00:36:17.760 |
anytime you listen to things, you should always ask, 00:36:32.380 |
hey, the Dow's at 20,000 and it doesn't affect you, 00:36:39.080 |
or should change and affect, don't worry about it. 00:36:44.580 |
Well, sit, look at your investments, see how they're doing. 00:36:59.500 |
But that should be driven by your financial plan, 00:37:10.100 |
We'll get to the investment plan in a moment. 00:37:26.660 |
Well, if that retirement is 30 years from now, 00:37:28.500 |
then Dow at 20,000 is not gonna be influential 00:37:34.860 |
Now, are you planning to retire two years from now? 00:37:40.060 |
that it's time to go ahead and start taking some cash out 00:37:42.340 |
to start funding the first few years of retirement. 00:37:47.820 |
Dow at 20,000 might be an indicator of a high market, 00:37:52.860 |
Or you were thinking about starting a business. 00:37:54.840 |
Well, if you're thinking about starting a business, 00:37:56.620 |
you might say, I need to move my money to cash, 00:37:59.580 |
so Dow at 20,000 would be a good time to do that. 00:38:14.040 |
But that needs to be driven by your financial plan. 00:38:20.200 |
The plan that involves your financial decisions 00:38:34.180 |
has in it a sell indicator of if the Dow hits 20,000, 00:38:39.180 |
then sell, then yes, you should change something. 00:38:45.260 |
of your investment plans has that as an indication. 00:38:47.920 |
So, short answer is no, you should not change anything. 00:38:51.280 |
You don't change midstream in your investment plan 00:38:58.680 |
In your life, your financial plan has changed, 00:39:12.460 |
A majority of you don't have a written investment plan, 00:39:18.160 |
until you decide to change to a different strategy. 00:39:20.360 |
Yeah, there are a few of you who are traders in the market, 00:39:32.960 |
And those mutual funds are either actively managed 00:39:44.080 |
to hire a fund manager to manage your money for you, 00:39:50.740 |
to choose the companies that they need to invest in. 00:39:57.400 |
That's the investment plan that you've chosen. 00:40:04.560 |
one of my favorite mutual funds, I always loved it, 00:40:07.000 |
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of the classic mutual fund with, what, 80 years of history. 00:40:19.440 |
And they had the best brochure that was just so fun to read. 00:40:30.440 |
in the Investment Company of America with American Funds, 00:40:38.160 |
They're gonna invest in the best companies of America, 00:40:41.080 |
and they're gonna try to do so in an intelligent way. 00:40:44.000 |
So Dow at 20,000 is information that they're taking in. 00:40:51.840 |
They're seeking to make intelligent financial decisions, 00:41:05.840 |
"Let's take some profit from Home Depot and Walmart 00:41:16.000 |
Now, if something in your personal life has changed, 00:41:22.680 |
But if nothing in your personal life has changed 00:41:33.160 |
Just happens to be that this is the top version. 00:41:54.120 |
that you can't guess which ones are gonna do better 00:41:56.280 |
than others, so you're just gonna own all of them. 00:41:59.320 |
So is there anything about the news of Dow at 20,000 00:42:06.880 |
Unless something has changed in your personal life, 00:42:31.740 |
Let's say you're changing your investment strategy. 00:42:34.500 |
But that would be because something has changed 00:42:49.100 |
your own unique trading strategies and things like that. 00:42:54.500 |
I just summed up all of your investment strategies. 00:43:02.900 |
or you've chosen to hire a passive indexing company 00:43:10.860 |
and you don't change your strategy because of Dow 20,000. 00:43:18.220 |
Article here that I may be covering in the future 00:43:25.580 |
We may talk about that on a news roundup, we'll see. 00:43:34.060 |
It's always fun to take money out of a portfolio 00:43:35.980 |
and spend it if you wanna take a big cruise or something. 00:43:39.220 |
But don't make quick decisions because of things out there 00:43:47.380 |
and aren't really related to your specific actions 00:44:00.860 |
And then also because it's reflective of other indexes. 00:44:05.660 |
But the index itself is not particularly useful 00:44:13.300 |
fun thing to keep an eye on because it has such a history. 00:44:32.460 |
as long as you're not gonna get too depressed 00:44:49.780 |
It's gonna wander up, it's gonna wander down. 00:45:22.580 |
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