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If you've ever been faced with a major car repair, 00:00:36.200 |
or even worse, a bunch of ongoing car repairs, 00:00:41.100 |
man, I am just wasting all of my money on this thing. 00:00:46.300 |
Well, I've been there, and a lot of people are there, 00:00:48.940 |
and it's not easy to know what to do in that situation. 00:00:52.440 |
So today, I'm gonna share with you some thoughts 00:00:57.380 |
of when to decide whether to fix your car or replace it. 00:01:05.500 |
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And I'll tell you, I've struggled with this decision, 00:01:40.420 |
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Specifically today, we're gonna pull apart this question, 00:01:56.900 |
I like to have a framework for most decisions. 00:01:59.940 |
I really like to have a framework for financial decisions 00:02:04.840 |
to be able to know what to do in most situations. 00:02:08.240 |
But the question of what to do when your car breaks 00:02:20.380 |
Probably, I guess, the only major piece of advice 00:02:29.900 |
is gonna be more than half of the value of the car, 00:02:50.420 |
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So many of us are gonna be in this place of decision 00:06:25.940 |
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And I haven't been able to come up with a perfect one, 00:06:42.580 |
the Sunday morning I had loaded up my family, 00:06:44.800 |
we were getting ready to leave the house on Sunday morning 00:06:48.260 |
And I go out, start the car, and there's a big squeal, 00:06:51.360 |
and all of a sudden it starts making some weird noise. 00:06:54.100 |
Well, I turn the engine off, I get out of the car, 00:06:57.900 |
and I can see immediately that the belt had come off, 00:07:00.020 |
and I could see immediately that there was a piece broken. 00:07:06.760 |
a few days later, got the car towed to a mechanic. 00:07:17.780 |
And the way that the engine is constructed on my vehicle, 00:07:25.160 |
So the whole side of the engine had to be replaced. 00:07:27.020 |
And basically, in order to accomplish that repair, 00:07:30.940 |
you practically had to take the whole engine out of the car. 00:07:34.560 |
Called around for different quotes to the dealerships, 00:07:50.660 |
I bought the car a few years ago for about 5,000 bucks. 00:07:55.300 |
"Should I spend 2,500 bucks on repairing a car?" 00:07:58.900 |
That is a difficult, difficult thing to decide. 00:08:08.380 |
and I'm gonna walk you through my thought process. 00:08:12.620 |
the questions so that when the situation hits, 00:08:15.460 |
you'll be better prepared to know what to do. 00:08:17.840 |
The time to think through difficult situations 00:08:22.740 |
It's really tough when you're faced with the emotions. 00:08:24.940 |
Maybe you don't have a lot of money at that time, 00:08:27.020 |
and then all of a sudden you're in the thick of it. 00:08:29.400 |
Really tough to think things through rationally 00:08:54.120 |
that's happened in the past, once your car breaks, 00:08:56.440 |
everything that's happened in the past is irrelevant. 00:09:03.440 |
where you've made a $1,000 repair on your vehicle, 00:09:23.820 |
and ignore the things that have happened in the past. 00:09:40.160 |
So you've got to begin with zero-based thinking, 00:09:53.740 |
Every single breakdown or repair is a fresh decision. 00:09:57.640 |
You've got to do your best to ignore the emotion 00:10:01.480 |
of the feeling of, I've been at the mechanic too much, 00:10:06.560 |
This accounts for one of the major, major financial mistakes 00:10:14.080 |
that breaks down several times over several months 00:10:18.280 |
And that emotion kind of chips away, chips away, 00:10:43.680 |
Many times those poor decisions then follow them 00:10:47.200 |
for months and years and really hamper their progress. 00:10:59.500 |
When you're looking at the situation of your car repair, 00:11:10.360 |
how much you're actually spending on the car. 00:11:16.280 |
what'll happen is you'll spend 50 bucks here, 00:11:22.660 |
and it'll feel mentally like thousands of dollars. 00:11:30.320 |
and find yourself in a position where you can check, 00:11:35.280 |
you realize, oh, I don't actually have that much. 00:11:42.120 |
So nickel and dime repairs, if it's ongoing repairs, 00:11:46.280 |
but they're not necessarily financially draining. 00:11:51.000 |
Always begin, if you're in a situation where the car's broken 00:11:55.760 |
of the diagnosis of the repair and the potential costs. 00:12:21.200 |
There might be, maybe, might be some types of opportunities 00:12:32.800 |
For example, you might be an expert investor, 00:12:36.220 |
or a piece of real estate or something like that 00:12:41.700 |
But if you don't actually, if you're not an expert, 00:12:46.700 |
More time, more time, more time is always a good rule. 00:12:53.240 |
So with car repairs, try to buy yourself more time, 00:12:59.760 |
Try to get an understanding, is this a maintenance item 00:13:06.580 |
Doesn't matter whether they're new cars or they're used cars, 00:13:11.260 |
And so one of the mistakes that people can make 00:13:13.500 |
is they might have a number of maintenance items 00:13:15.180 |
that all occur in a bunched together time period. 00:13:24.700 |
And they're looking at this thing getting so frustrated 00:13:26.780 |
saying, "I've just spent $1,100 on this car," 00:13:36.820 |
is somehow falling apart and has to be replaced, 00:13:40.700 |
And all vehicles are gonna require normal maintenance. 00:13:46.020 |
You still have to deal with the normal maintenance 00:14:07.520 |
And I did my research, I could not find any way 00:14:13.960 |
on the catastrophic repair, or the car's unusable. 00:14:25.240 |
And those are the two major components of the vehicle 00:14:31.240 |
Most of the other things are just simple maintenance items. 00:15:00.840 |
what would be the condition and usefulness of the vehicle? 00:15:09.900 |
you wanna start with what is the baseline decision, 00:15:20.040 |
So the example here, if you were actually considering 00:15:23.240 |
purchasing another car, your baseline decision, 00:15:29.960 |
That's almost always going to be the cheaper option. 00:15:35.140 |
If your car was perfectly good yesterday, before it broke, 00:15:44.240 |
is almost always gonna be the cheapest option, 00:15:48.240 |
And then everything is gonna be compared to that. 00:15:50.480 |
And you're gonna weigh all the decisions in light of that. 00:15:52.800 |
So reassess your needs, establish the baseline decision, 00:15:58.640 |
You know the costs, go back and look at them, 00:16:12.640 |
But let me give you some of the major reasons 00:16:26.400 |
But they're really, like I said a moment ago, 00:16:31.620 |
Next, worse, it's really hard to sell a broken car. 00:16:41.480 |
You've taken your marketplace of opportunities, 00:16:43.640 |
of potential buyers, from this massive marketplace, 00:16:53.920 |
that has an unknown mechanical condition and fix it. 00:16:58.920 |
maybe a professional, or a shade tree mechanic, 00:17:09.880 |
you wanna have the most potential buyers possible. 00:17:16.080 |
the more difficult it's gonna be to sell something, 00:17:21.120 |
So it's really, really hard to sell a broken down car. 00:17:35.120 |
if you wanna go out and sell it on the open market, 00:17:41.480 |
and you expand it to a much bigger marketplace. 00:17:50.480 |
Worse, in general, the biggest cost of car ownership 00:18:01.780 |
with a car that is broken down or continually breaking down, 00:18:05.560 |
and they're considering, should I replace it, 00:18:07.500 |
they're usually thinking about upgrading the car 00:18:15.840 |
It's very rare that somebody is sitting there 00:18:22.720 |
so I'm gonna replace it with this other $5,000 car 00:18:25.320 |
that's gonna be more reliable and break down less. 00:18:29.920 |
then if you can go from equal value to equal value 00:18:33.440 |
to a vehicle that's gonna be breaking down less, 00:18:39.440 |
So here would be an example from my situation. 00:18:44.520 |
was about 7,000 to $7,500 for vans of that type of thing. 00:18:53.920 |
Most minivans were stuck right at that $7,000 to $7,500 00:18:56.680 |
price range, and then ultimately I found this one, 00:18:59.240 |
and it worked out that I was able to get it at a discount. 00:19:04.780 |
It was a business owner, and so it worked out well. 00:19:13.920 |
"Okay, I'm just gonna go out and find another van 00:19:35.320 |
So I'm automatically, to replace like with like, 00:20:02.440 |
a year from now, it's gonna be worth six grand, 00:20:10.920 |
Now, the cool thing is by getting the discounted van, 00:20:14.600 |
I've already got more wiggle room in the deal. 00:20:20.120 |
that there's gonna be an additional $1,000 cost 00:20:24.640 |
Now, most people, and I wouldn't necessarily, 00:20:33.120 |
So let's say what would be a more normal consideration 00:20:35.440 |
for somebody whose vehicle's breaking down, breaking down, 00:20:37.520 |
and they wanna go out and upgrade a little bit. 00:20:42.160 |
Well, a $15,000 van is gonna lose $2,250 of value 00:20:47.160 |
in the first year on my ownership and depreciation, 00:21:02.720 |
and then in year two, there's gonna be another $1,912 00:21:11.360 |
and more depreciation, and more depreciation. 00:21:14.240 |
But if I'm comparing just the cost of depreciation 00:21:20.200 |
that catastrophic repair is unlikely to happen 00:21:27.720 |
So if I fix the vehicle today, pay the $2,500, 00:21:33.920 |
for the next year, but with owning the vehicle 00:21:36.400 |
at the much lower cost, I'm limiting the downside 00:21:38.720 |
of the depreciation, and I get to keep more money 00:21:47.840 |
every year going forward, I'm gonna lose a couple 00:21:50.160 |
thousand bucks until that value ultimately drops down lower. 00:21:53.880 |
And the bigger the price jump, the worse it is. 00:21:56.520 |
So if you were to jump from a few-thousand-dollar car 00:22:00.600 |
to a $30,000 vehicle, well, now there's an automatic loss 00:22:07.840 |
And this is why many people's financial situations 00:22:15.560 |
They're driving an old car, driving an old car, 00:22:19.400 |
They get frustrated at the continual maintenance items. 00:22:22.700 |
They get frustrated, and then all of a sudden, 00:22:31.080 |
they make a snap deal on a car that's poorly considered. 00:22:34.580 |
What often ends up happening is they don't make 00:22:49.840 |
or some type of cheap car that is gonna just depreciate 00:22:54.840 |
like crazy, and they go out, they make a quick deal, 00:23:01.800 |
and they lock in losing $4,500 of depreciation 00:23:07.840 |
They bought a $30,000 vehicle instead of paying $800 00:23:12.640 |
Well, you make a cycle of that year by year by year, 00:23:14.760 |
and then over time, your financial situation is destroyed. 00:23:21.800 |
So calculate carefully the cost of depreciation, 00:23:27.520 |
but make sure you also include some of the other costs 00:23:29.420 |
of transitioning from one vehicle to another. 00:23:32.740 |
Big thing, transaction costs, and those transaction costs 00:23:42.260 |
If I were gonna replace my vehicle with a similar 00:23:44.480 |
comparable vehicle, which my baseline decision 00:23:46.720 |
was the vehicle I own, 2007 Hyundai Entourage minivan. 00:23:51.360 |
It has the appropriate space, the appropriate amenities 00:24:01.080 |
And that era is new enough to be appropriate enough, 00:24:05.720 |
but yet it's old enough to have a bunch lower price ranges. 00:24:15.480 |
And cheap insurance costs, really high safety ratings, 00:24:18.780 |
et cetera, so I had carefully considered the decision 00:24:37.880 |
We talked about depreciation, but what about new sales tax? 00:24:44.080 |
In my state, Florida, it was 6% sales tax rate. 00:24:46.760 |
New registration, tag, titling fees, another 200 bucks. 00:24:49.960 |
So you start adding that first year depreciation 00:24:56.600 |
Usually when you get a new vehicle, it needs new tires, 00:24:58.960 |
it needs a new battery, it needs new wiper blades, 00:25:00.800 |
it needs all the stuff that somebody ignored. 00:25:06.160 |
$1,700 to $1,800 of new costs that could be avoided 00:25:17.080 |
those windshield wipers have a lot of life left in them. 00:25:25.320 |
it adds even more friction to getting the new vehicle. 00:25:38.460 |
Maybe I could sell it to a mechanic for 2,000 bucks, 00:25:41.940 |
which means then I'm losing all that residual value. 00:25:44.640 |
So even with a really expensive repair like that, 00:25:55.040 |
it's better to keep it and fix it in most places. 00:25:59.440 |
If you impulse buy and you've got to move fast, 00:26:22.120 |
from a private party, somebody that you find, 00:26:24.640 |
whether it's a car sitting on the side of the road, 00:26:45.680 |
they might not be exactly what you're looking for. 00:26:52.480 |
Well, the dealer is gonna take the private party value 00:27:00.440 |
you're paying for the convenience and the selection 00:27:06.960 |
So if you've got time and you're continually shopping, 00:27:10.620 |
you can get a deal, but you can't make those deals 00:27:19.320 |
means you're automatically gonna pay more money. 00:27:21.400 |
So you're usually better off if you can repair it, 00:27:25.060 |
go ahead and look around at upgrading the vehicle. 00:27:36.700 |
again, take a look and actually run the numbers 00:27:38.980 |
and ask yourself, which items are the maintenance items 00:27:43.380 |
All cars are gonna need those maintenance items, 00:27:45.040 |
getting a newer car is not gonna change anything. 00:27:49.600 |
after two or three years, just like your older car is. 00:27:56.080 |
how much is maintenance and how much is repairs, 00:28:03.700 |
That's just part of the cost of operating a vehicle. 00:28:06.820 |
Regardless, if you do decide that you need to change cars, 00:28:13.700 |
and do your best to separate the emotion from the decision. 00:28:18.040 |
So if you need to borrow a vehicle from a family member 00:28:25.860 |
do that so you can go slower and make a good decision. 00:28:44.920 |
Buy a reliable car, choose carefully, buy yourself time, 00:29:02.180 |
This is one of the major traps that keeps people poor. 00:29:14.640 |
for you to repair the car rather than replace it, 00:29:19.360 |
But if you repair it and keep paying the loan down 00:29:31.320 |
that's a bad decision to owe money on a depreciating asset. 00:29:34.580 |
So cut it off as quickly as you can, repair the car, 00:29:40.000 |
The basic thing that you gotta remember with cars 00:30:03.380 |
it doesn't necessarily always mean the cheapest of the cheap. 00:30:13.320 |
If your car makes you money, choose carefully. 00:30:15.520 |
For example, there's a major cost to downtime. 00:30:17.780 |
If you're actually making money with your vehicles, 00:30:22.200 |
If you are running a fleet of over-the-road delivery trucks, 00:30:27.440 |
Every hour that one is sitting by the side of the road 00:30:32.360 |
which is why you'll often see a large company 00:30:34.800 |
that's running a fleet, their vehicles are newer, 00:30:39.760 |
If you're making money on a vehicle and actually earning, 00:30:43.620 |
downtime becomes your biggest expense, not depreciation. 00:30:53.940 |
and this actually really hurts poor people sometimes, 00:30:55.980 |
that they have cars that are breaking down often, 00:30:59.580 |
it can cause them problems where they're unreliable at work 00:31:09.620 |
Give them a few thousand bucks or give them a car. 00:31:14.420 |
so they can have some reliable transportation. 00:31:17.340 |
'Cause that's one way that you can help someone 00:31:20.980 |
But as an individual person, we've got more options. 00:31:24.740 |
Don't freak out about the car being broken down. 00:31:26.780 |
In a world of Uber, you're better off than you've ever been. 00:31:42.180 |
And this is a huge county where everything is far away. 00:31:46.500 |
if my car were out of commission for a couple of weeks, 00:31:52.540 |
because number one, I've got a strong family network 00:31:54.800 |
that can help me out easily and lend me a car. 00:32:06.580 |
And that's a lot cheaper than losing thousands of dollars 00:32:20.700 |
If your car is nickel and diming you with ongoing repairs, 00:32:34.140 |
not when you're frustrated at the car breaking down. 00:32:44.740 |
That'll help you because you can find the deal, 00:32:47.540 |
take your time finding what you're gonna buy, 00:32:54.660 |
at a much higher price point than as a broken down car. 00:33:03.620 |
and which of these costs are maintenance items, 00:33:05.060 |
recognizing that all cars are gonna have maintenance, 00:33:21.020 |
or when you see a great deal on the side of the road. 00:33:29.020 |
And it is possible that you could wind up in the situation 00:33:32.020 |
where your car is simply not worth repairing. 00:33:36.940 |
for what type of car you'd like to buy and why. 00:33:40.020 |
I would encourage you, think ahead at all times 00:33:42.240 |
about what's the next vehicle that you're gonna buy. 00:33:49.180 |
I know exactly what the next car that I would buy is. 00:34:08.480 |
Pay attention to brands, pay attention to reliability. 00:34:14.020 |
and this is one of the major cycles of poverty that happens 00:34:34.060 |
and there's all these expenses that are associated with it 00:34:43.540 |
that has all these other things associated with it. 00:34:45.420 |
And these snap decisions, snap decisions, snap decisions, 00:34:48.620 |
many people repeat them again and again and again and again. 00:35:08.360 |
Wanna touch on two last things and we're done for today. 00:35:12.140 |
Number one, the discussion of the half the value rule. 00:35:23.340 |
then it's probably better to replace the car. 00:35:26.500 |
and put it with your cash and buy the newer car. 00:35:30.980 |
although I understand the sentiment behind it, 00:36:01.780 |
And I don't know where anyone else would either, 00:36:03.380 |
unless you were a mechanic and you could fix it up 00:36:07.940 |
So even that rule of thumb that you'll hear about, 00:36:10.380 |
if the repair is more than half 50% of the value of the car, 00:36:23.020 |
a working car is better to be sold than a non-working car. 00:36:35.460 |
and when you're paying attention to reliability, 00:36:37.260 |
hopefully you'll wind up better in the long run. 00:36:39.860 |
So don't be scared of a car and run out and trade it in 00:36:44.060 |
just 'cause it's got 100,000 miles or 200,000 miles. 00:36:47.700 |
Run the actual numbers on your actual situation 00:36:55.180 |
And I believe that if you'll do these things, 00:36:57.060 |
you will wind up significantly more wealthy over time. 00:37:05.500 |
If any of you have better ideas than me on this one, 00:37:22.820 |
the Radical Personal Finance listening audience 00:37:26.380 |
So if you've got any really great resources on this, 00:37:28.580 |
if you think that my perspective on it is wrong, 00:37:50.780 |
Just do it intentionally and don't do it on an impulse. 00:37:54.660 |
Life's not about being the richest at the end of the day. 00:38:01.020 |
unless you wanna drive around in a $500 car, don't do it. 00:38:05.880 |
But just don't make, I just hate seeing this decision. 00:38:10.540 |
I've seen over the years more mistakes made in this area 00:38:15.940 |
of people, cars breaking down, dig mechanic bill. 00:38:28.060 |
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