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On today's show, the iron law of wealth building. 00:00:11.360 |
I guess I should say the iron formula of wealth building. 00:00:15.140 |
The only three topics, the only three variables that you can adjust to ensure your long-term 00:00:22.920 |
Welcome to the Radical Personal Finance podcast for today, Monday, July 28, 2014. 00:00:49.160 |
Feeling a little bit better, not quite back at 100%, but a little bit better. 00:00:54.120 |
I couldn't stand to stay away from you any longer. 00:00:56.120 |
I figured I got to get you a show, got to get you a show. 00:00:58.640 |
Today, we're going to have a show on wealth building, my favorite. 00:01:14.280 |
I really look forward to recording these shows. 00:01:21.200 |
Being out and being sick last week to the point where a couple days I could barely even 00:01:27.960 |
What happened was that I just got run down as far as the amount of time. 00:01:31.960 |
I was staying up too late, getting up too early. 00:01:34.160 |
I got a lot of fun, exciting projects that I'm working on. 00:01:37.640 |
When I should quit and go to bed, I just, "Oh, just a little bit longer, a little bit 00:01:42.800 |
A couple days in a row of going to bed at 11, getting up at 6, going to bed at 2, getting 00:01:47.160 |
up at 6, going to bed at 12, getting up at 5, going to bed at 1, getting up at 7. 00:01:56.440 |
You would think that at this point in my life I would be smart enough to say no and to go 00:02:04.440 |
I'm just trying to make progress on some projects that I've got going on. 00:02:11.760 |
I didn't do what I should have done, which was listen to my wiser self and go to bed. 00:02:19.240 |
Today we are going to be ... We're back in the saddle. 00:02:25.400 |
There were a few days when I would wake up in the morning and I'd try to say something 00:02:31.760 |
Then I'd go get a cup of tea and after a little bit I could get some sounds to come out. 00:02:38.600 |
It's certainly sobering when you recognize that none of us are invincible. 00:02:45.200 |
It's so easy to ... I sold a lot of disability insurance over the years and I'm convinced 00:02:50.720 |
But in the past when I was talking about disability insurance I would never understand why people 00:02:55.120 |
did not recognize that they weren't invincible. 00:02:58.120 |
Then now I think it's experiences like this that help you to recognize that you're not 00:03:07.200 |
You've got to take time, as Stephen Covey would say, to sharpen the saw, to go to bed 00:03:11.160 |
early and get a full night's sleep and stay healthy and active because you can't help 00:03:18.200 |
You've got to be up and active to be able to help anybody. 00:03:24.360 |
Today we are going to be talking about my formula for wealth building, or as I grandiosely 00:03:30.720 |
put it in the introduction, the iron formula of wealth building. 00:03:36.560 |
I'm not sure if this is something that I made up or if this is something I stole from somewhere 00:03:43.120 |
I really have never heard many people talk about it this way, and I'm sure others have. 00:03:49.640 |
I don't expect to necessarily have an original idea, but I can't attribute it to anyone because 00:03:56.680 |
Although again, if I've stolen this from you as an author or something, forgive me. 00:04:01.880 |
But I learned this formula by doing financial planning it for myself and for others. 00:04:09.320 |
And it's very simple, and it's all based upon the two financial statements that we've talked 00:04:13.640 |
If you haven't listened to episode 22 and episode 26, episode 22 was an introduction 00:04:20.200 |
to the balance sheet, and then episode 26 was an introduction to the cash flow statement, 00:04:26.480 |
I would encourage you stop and go listen to those shows. 00:04:29.360 |
And before you listen to this show, create those two financial statements for yourself. 00:04:33.800 |
So go to RadicalPersonalFinance.com/22 or /26 and you'll be able to hear those shows 00:04:41.600 |
and create your own personal financial statements. 00:04:44.360 |
And then look at them and think about them as we're walking through today's show. 00:04:49.880 |
Because in reality, I'm going to do nothing more than just simply walk through how these 00:04:55.400 |
interact with each other, but show how this leads to wealth. 00:05:02.000 |
So when you understand the workings between financial statements, whether that's business 00:05:05.880 |
financial statements or personal financial statements, then it kind of solves all the 00:05:12.440 |
And so here's what I would say, here's how I would prove that my formula for wealth works. 00:05:19.680 |
In this sense, we're talking about financial wealth. 00:05:21.480 |
So financial wealth is going to be something that's going to show up on the balance sheet. 00:05:25.600 |
The balance sheet is made up of assets and liabilities. 00:05:28.000 |
And the financial assets are listed with a financial number. 00:05:31.620 |
So if you tell someone, I want to be wealthy, what that means is, if you're talking about 00:05:35.600 |
financial wealth, what that means is we're going to increase the net worth that's listed 00:05:43.680 |
Now obviously, there are other kinds of wealth. 00:05:45.640 |
I would consider someone who has-- I'm the youngest of seven kids. 00:05:50.040 |
I would consider my father to be extremely wealthy, having the love of seven children, 00:06:01.080 |
And I would encourage you to always consider those things, the financial and the non-financial 00:06:08.240 |
But in today's show, we're going to focus mainly on the financial wealth. 00:06:12.080 |
So being financially wealthy is defined as having a high net worth. 00:06:24.080 |
So we could insert $1,000 net worth, $100,000 net worth, $1 million net worth, or $1 billion 00:06:31.840 |
You can determine the scale that we're going to use. 00:06:36.080 |
To the person who is just getting started in life-- I remember the first time I had 00:06:42.360 |
I remember the first time I had $10,000 saved, that was pretty exciting. 00:06:48.520 |
And then to one person, they're first excited when they can save their first million dollars. 00:06:53.800 |
But how does the money get to be listed on the net worth statement? 00:07:00.560 |
Well, it gets there off the cash flow statement. 00:07:02.680 |
So the net worth statement is a snapshot in time. 00:07:06.200 |
And the cash flow statement is listed as over an accounting period. 00:07:11.000 |
So if you look at your net worth statement, you have a date. 00:07:17.900 |
My net worth as of 3:01 PM as I record this show on July 28, 2014 is x dollars. 00:07:25.120 |
Now at 302, that may change if some of my net worth is invested in volatile assets, 00:07:30.960 |
such as publicly traded stocks that I can go and I can check to see what their valuation 00:07:36.540 |
And maybe at 303 or 315, that may be slightly different than it was when I originally made 00:07:46.200 |
But the cash flow statement is over a period of time. 00:07:48.120 |
So the cash flow statement is showing over what the accounting wonks would say, an accounting 00:07:53.240 |
Usually this would be either a year or a quarter. 00:07:55.880 |
Those would be the two most-- and business would be the quarterly. 00:07:58.560 |
And for us, maybe we're talking about the annual or the monthly, depending on which 00:08:07.480 |
But the way the money gets onto the balance sheet is it has to show up at the bottom of 00:08:12.920 |
So remember, the cash flow statement is inflows minus outflows equals a surplus or a deficit. 00:08:20.320 |
So in order for the money to show up on the net worth statement, we've got to create a 00:08:25.960 |
And if we're going to build wealth from one accounting period to the next, let's say one 00:08:29.720 |
month to the next, then we've got to make sure that there is a surplus at the bottom 00:08:35.640 |
So what this leads you to is understanding that inflows minus outflows equals surplus. 00:08:42.600 |
Then that uncovers really the only three levers that we can adjust, the only three levers 00:08:49.560 |
that we can press on to affect the ultimate wealth that we wind up with. 00:08:56.360 |
And those levers are we can adjust the inflows, we can adjust the outflows, and we can adjust 00:09:09.780 |
This is no different if we're talking about deficits. 00:09:12.500 |
So let's say that we did run the cash flow statement. 00:09:14.420 |
We have inflows minus outflows equals a deficit. 00:09:17.300 |
Well, we can only adjust the inflows or the outflows to reduce the deficit. 00:09:25.840 |
But we need to look at it and say, is this a temporary deficit or is this a structural 00:09:31.280 |
And I'm sorry for using all the big words, but I'm trying to use the accounting words 00:09:37.040 |
to kind of disconnect and decouple this from this financial conversation from all the normal 00:09:44.640 |
emotionally charged words that exist around money and people's finances. 00:09:51.800 |
Now the idea of we're going to go on a budget makes it a little sound a little bit less 00:09:55.960 |
difficult to say we're just going to reduce the outflows than it does to say we're going 00:10:01.980 |
So I try to use the accounting words or the more precise words sometimes just to drive 00:10:08.040 |
And then if you want to go and use the emotional words, that's fine. 00:10:11.520 |
But if there's a deficit, we've got a problem. 00:10:13.320 |
So we look and say, is this a temporary deficit or is this a structural deficit? 00:10:18.360 |
So example, you are a college student going to college. 00:10:23.380 |
You are studying in your classes and you are borrowing money on student loans to pay for 00:10:28.980 |
Do you have a temporary deficit or do you have a structural deficit? 00:10:40.480 |
This would be what an entrepreneur would face when an entrepreneur is starting a business 00:10:46.020 |
They know they're probably going to be operating in a deficit for a period of time. 00:10:51.280 |
And deficit is not necessarily a problem as long as it's a temporary deficit, whether 00:10:57.160 |
this is applied to individuals or to nations. 00:11:00.080 |
It's not necessarily a problem that a country has a deficit if it's a temporary deficit. 00:11:05.480 |
The United States of America has had deficits in the past and has deficits currently. 00:11:10.600 |
But then the problem is only if they're structural deficits. 00:11:14.040 |
If they're just temporary, hey, for this period of time, our expenses have exceeded our income, 00:11:22.840 |
Again, I'm in the middle of starting some new businesses. 00:11:28.800 |
This is not necessarily a problem unless that is going to be a long-term thing. 00:11:35.080 |
But if it's a structural deficit, my expenses are consistently exceeding our income and 00:11:40.680 |
there's not a clear event on the horizon at which those times are going to change, now 00:11:48.520 |
And so if it's a deficit, what do we have to change? 00:11:51.480 |
Well, we can adjust the inflows or we can adjust the outflows, and probably we're going 00:11:58.160 |
So that's probably going to be the most effective plan is to adjust the inflows and adjust the 00:12:08.440 |
Work extra jobs, adjust the inflows, cut all your expenses, adjust the outflows. 00:12:14.280 |
So all we're doing is adjusting inflows and outflows and we have a deficit. 00:12:17.660 |
So let's set aside the issue of deficits because I'm going to cover that in its own show as 00:12:26.160 |
Even when we cut deficits and even the way that we cut deficits, it's all going to come 00:12:33.640 |
A rational approach to looking at deficits should say, well, guess what? 00:12:38.560 |
I'm going to refinance my debt to get it at a lower rate. 00:12:41.280 |
Well, that cuts my outflows because it reduces my interest expense. 00:12:44.520 |
I'm going to choose to pay off my debt because by paying off my debt, I'm going to get a 00:12:48.600 |
greater return on my surplus because there has to be surplus to pay off debt. 00:12:54.160 |
I'm going to get a greater return on my surplus by paying off debt than I would if I invested 00:13:05.240 |
We'll talk through that as far as the financial and non-financial considerations of that. 00:13:09.280 |
But ultimately, it all just comes down to inflows and outflows. 00:13:14.960 |
And let's ignore debts and deficits and all that stuff for another day. 00:13:19.040 |
The three levers that we have to push are inflows, outflows, and the investment of surplus. 00:13:26.880 |
Now I'm going to add another kind of sub-lever. 00:13:30.440 |
We can adjust the size and the characteristics of our inflows. 00:13:38.480 |
We can adjust the size and the characteristics of our outflows. 00:13:45.000 |
Or we can adjust the size measured in rate of return and the characteristics of our investments. 00:13:52.640 |
And into those three kind of adjustments, I can fit every single financial planning 00:13:59.520 |
article, book, essay, anything that, you know, suggestion, advice, anything that people have 00:14:09.480 |
If you understand that wealth is only going to come by intelligent investment and growth 00:14:14.500 |
of surplus, then you see through the smoke and mirrors of one person saying, "Cut expenses, 00:14:23.280 |
And the other person saying, "It's stupid for you to worry about cutting expenses. 00:14:27.000 |
Make sure you just focus on your inflows and earn more money." 00:14:31.840 |
And the person who's just saying, "Cut expenses," would do better if they had focused on cutting 00:14:38.840 |
And the person who says, "Expenses don't matter," no, mathematically, they do. 00:14:43.080 |
But you would do better if you increased your inflows and you decreased your outflows, decreased 00:14:50.680 |
I just laugh when I see people make these statements. 00:14:52.800 |
Now, what they're usually focusing on is the, what they're usually focusing on is going 00:15:03.320 |
So for example, maybe somebody is much more motivated to say, "It's important to me that 00:15:10.320 |
And in exchange for that, I'm going to go ahead and work more at another job." 00:15:14.920 |
But work more at another job, that may be fine for some person. 00:15:19.400 |
But for another person to say, "I don't want to work more at another job, and I'll just 00:15:25.360 |
The only three things that we can adjust, the size and characteristics of inflows, the 00:15:30.560 |
size and characteristics of outflows, and the size or rate of return and characteristics 00:15:40.680 |
So when I think about financial planning, or someone asks a question, I immediately 00:15:56.080 |
And this just helps me to kind of isolate what we're focusing on. 00:16:00.080 |
You can't do it all at one time, I don't think. 00:16:04.960 |
But you can focus on these things concurrently. 00:16:11.480 |
You can do one, and then you can switch your attention to the other. 00:16:15.320 |
The human brain can do a lot of planning in these concurrently, even if we can't necessarily 00:16:24.960 |
Or not introduce, but then bring in two other concepts that we can then apply to this formula 00:16:29.880 |
and then walk through a number of examples of how we can use this. 00:16:34.280 |
Now that we've created the personal financial statements, how we can use this way of thinking 00:16:38.800 |
about this formula to help us to guide our own financial plan. 00:16:44.720 |
So if I were doing this for a client, I could use this formula with a client. 00:16:48.880 |
Or this is one where doing it for yourself is really powerful. 00:16:52.960 |
So the other two things are compounding and leverage. 00:16:59.160 |
Everyone knows about, or I hope you know about the importance of compounding. 00:17:04.160 |
I should do a show on compounding and just to show why it's so valuable. 00:17:08.120 |
But compounding is, as Albert Einstein, didn't he say, there's a quote, an Einstein quote 00:17:14.360 |
that says, "Compounding is the eighth wonder of the universe." 00:17:22.800 |
But the focus of compounding is if you plant one grain of corn in the ground, then that 00:17:31.080 |
grain of corn will grow, assuming that that seed is fertile. 00:17:36.360 |
That grain of corn will grow into a corn stalk, which will produce one head of corn, or one 00:17:41.180 |
ear of corn, which will have many more kernels than the one that you put in the ground. 00:17:49.260 |
If you do that each year, if you do that in the first year, you have one kernel of corn, 00:17:54.880 |
You shell that corn, now you have many hundreds of kernels of corn. 00:17:58.440 |
You plant those many hundreds, now you probably have many hundreds of thousands of kernels 00:18:09.000 |
So we want to look at that formula and we want to say, where can we apply compounding? 00:18:14.680 |
So most people think of applying compounding to the investment of the surplus of their 00:18:20.560 |
So they say, well, if I'm going to invest the money, I'm going to invest the money in 00:18:32.680 |
So can we apply compounding to the way that we earn a living and to the salary that we 00:18:38.280 |
earn, to the amount of money that the marketplace rewards us with? 00:18:43.760 |
Can we apply the idea of compounding to that? 00:18:46.520 |
And can we compound that at a faster rate otherwise? 00:18:50.960 |
And I'll come back to that in a moment and review that in depth. 00:18:59.120 |
So leverage can work for us or leverage can work against us. 00:19:03.800 |
And compounding can work for us or compounding can work against us. 00:19:07.200 |
If we're deeply in credit card debt and we have a substantial credit card balances on 00:19:13.240 |
which we're paying relatively high interest rates, then we have leverage working against 00:19:18.520 |
us because we're in debt and that leverage is compounding against us where the interest 00:19:23.440 |
on those credit cards are compounding as time goes on. 00:19:27.920 |
But we can also apply leverage to other areas of life. 00:19:32.000 |
We can apply leverage to our inflows, apply leverage to our outflows, and apply leverage 00:19:36.580 |
to the growth of our investments, of our surplus. 00:19:41.140 |
And we can do this in both financial and non-financial ways. 00:19:43.680 |
Then we can get compounding working on our side. 00:19:47.080 |
So if you understand these flows, remember there's no net worth that's going to grow 00:19:55.680 |
without having an excess, a surplus, coming from the cash flow statement. 00:20:00.400 |
So we've got to grow the balance sheet based upon the cash flow statement. 00:20:07.200 |
And I want to use a couple of examples that most people may be thought of and then give 00:20:10.480 |
some more out of the box examples that you may not have thought of. 00:20:14.760 |
Why is it that many people recommend going to college? 00:20:18.800 |
You read stories and many people are recommended to go to college because going to college 00:20:23.840 |
If you read the charts, the charts are all crystal clear that the total amount of lifetime 00:20:29.480 |
earnings on average across the population is based, has a direct correlation to the 00:20:38.880 |
So a high school dropout has the lowest lifetime earnings. 00:20:42.120 |
A high school graduate has the next amount of lifetime earnings. 00:20:46.480 |
A bachelor's degree certificate for university has the next highest, then a master's, then 00:20:57.680 |
And so the idea, most people are doing this maybe subconsciously, but they're applying 00:21:07.480 |
this formula and the way that these things work, they're applying these formulas to their 00:21:14.040 |
And they're saying, you should in the beginning of your career, assuming that college is going 00:21:18.720 |
to have an impact on your income, with that assumption, you should in the beginning of 00:21:23.560 |
your career, you should run a deficit if you need to. 00:21:26.320 |
So you're going to run a deficit in your budget where your outflows are higher than your inflows 00:21:33.600 |
And then you're going to have the advantage of that salary will be growing and compounding 00:21:41.080 |
So you're going to apply financial leverage through the use of a student loan. 00:21:44.760 |
And you're going to do that so that you can raise the amount of your inflows. 00:21:49.120 |
And then by raising the amount of your inflows so substantially, you're going to wind up 00:21:54.940 |
So by converting it into the formula, you can understand where the problems come in. 00:21:59.680 |
So problem number one comes in, what if the deficit is too high? 00:22:04.640 |
And so what if the leverage is too high and it doesn't result in higher earnings? 00:22:08.440 |
This is a problem many college students and college graduates face. 00:22:11.880 |
I borrowed a bunch of money, I owe $100,000, and I now have a career that's not resulting 00:22:18.920 |
And because my career is not resulting in higher inflows, then I don't have sufficient 00:22:26.580 |
Or if I do have sufficient inflows to service the debt, I don't have any surplus on top 00:22:32.160 |
And so I'm constantly left right scraping bottom. 00:22:34.800 |
And this is an unpleasant place to be when it comes to financial planning. 00:22:41.080 |
So you can see what you need to make sure of if you're going to do that, if you're 00:22:43.760 |
going to use leverage, financial leverage, to go to college. 00:22:47.800 |
And you're going to borrow money and you're going to take on that deficit. 00:22:50.000 |
You need to make sure that you're going to do that in a way that it's going to actually 00:22:56.840 |
So people are intuitively using this formula when they're making the college decision. 00:23:07.840 |
Well, we pay off consumer debt to free up cash flow and save on interest expense. 00:23:12.080 |
So by paying off consumer debt, we free the cash flows, so we lower the outflows, and 00:23:17.200 |
then both, I'm not sure what the word would be, both nominally and across the board, both 00:23:23.280 |
in the aggregate and then both on the specific because we lower the interest expense and 00:23:27.760 |
also across the board because we lower that cash flow expense and we have our freedom 00:23:39.120 |
That's the whole point of paying off consumer debt is because as long as we have the consumer 00:23:43.160 |
debt, we have assets that are going down in value, so that's not working. 00:23:46.700 |
So we need to build a surplus up and we need to increase the assets that are going up in 00:23:51.160 |
And the only way we can do that is if we can generate a higher surplus. 00:23:54.200 |
We pay off the consumer debt to generate surplus in our budget to build wealth. 00:23:58.760 |
So I hope this is not too repetitive, but I want to give some more examples because 00:24:03.080 |
with these concepts of inflows and outflows and rate of return and then compounding and 00:24:08.760 |
leverage with these tools, I think you can build some amazing futures. 00:24:22.520 |
It works whether you want to admit it or not. 00:24:27.360 |
It doesn't matter whether you acknowledge it. 00:24:29.280 |
It's still going to be -- the math is still going to be there functioning. 00:24:32.120 |
So it's better to not fight it and just understand it and then focusing on optimizing. 00:24:37.140 |
So if you're looking at your personal cash flow statement and your personal balance sheet, 00:24:41.720 |
what you're going to do is apply the system of thinking and you can optimize each and 00:24:54.160 |
You can optimize the size and the characteristics of your inflows. 00:25:05.800 |
I think it was called You're 100% Responsible for Your Income, which is kind of funny. 00:25:09.920 |
It seems to be one of the more popular shows of the ones that I recorded a year ago. 00:25:15.360 |
It was one of those that I just sat down and just dashed off in a day. 00:25:18.760 |
And I'm kind of embarrassed of its popularity because I just sat it down and just did it 00:25:23.640 |
But that was one of the most listened to episodes of the show. 00:25:29.000 |
But in that -- I believe it was in that episode, I talked about the importance of increasing 00:25:35.040 |
And I talked about Brian Tracy's 1000% formula. 00:25:39.080 |
And the fundamental idea behind the 1000% formula is that if you'll focus on compounding 00:25:44.000 |
-- on growing your income at a compounding rate, you can do some amazingly amazing things 00:25:54.560 |
So what I'll do is I'm going to just use a financial calculator, which by the way, if 00:25:58.360 |
you're not familiar with using one, get good at one because you can answer all these questions 00:26:05.300 |
So let's just show how compounding works with income. 00:26:09.640 |
So what I'm going to do is I'm going to apply an annual compounding rate to a level of income. 00:26:14.440 |
So let's start -- let's say that we have a 25-year-old just starting their life. 00:26:20.560 |
And let's say that just coming out of college -- and actually I'm going to play with some 00:26:25.160 |
So we have a 25-year-old just coming out of college. 00:26:27.400 |
And this 25-year-old takes an entry-level job making, let's just say, $40,000 a year. 00:26:32.000 |
At least 40 because it's easier for me to remember as my number. 00:26:35.260 |
So we're going to put in $40,000 as our starting value. 00:26:42.520 |
So we're going to put a 40-year time period in. 00:26:46.600 |
And we're going to -- let's just use a 3% annual compounding rate. 00:26:50.460 |
If you'll start at $40,000 and you'll compound your income at 3%, then at 65, when you retire 00:27:00.560 |
-- just stick with this scenario -- when you retire, you would be earning $130,481 per 00:27:08.840 |
And that 3%, that would be about an inflation rate. 00:27:12.040 |
Now if you can bump that up to a 4%, and look at the difference, now you're earning $192,000 00:27:28.720 |
It was probably an extra -- I could go and make the chart, but I'm not going to do it. 00:27:41.160 |
That's an extra hundreds of thousands of dollars. 00:27:43.640 |
Now let's say that you could compound your income at something like 7%. 00:27:48.520 |
Well now at 65, just the difference between -- actually, that one's too scary. 00:27:55.760 |
So if you could double that compounding rate, and you could go from earning 3% per year 00:28:06.080 |
You would go from earning $135,000 a year at 65. 00:28:09.640 |
So we're going from 40 to 135 in the first example, 3%. 00:28:15.080 |
You would go from earning $40,000 a year to earning $411,000 at age 65 each year. 00:28:23.500 |
So now at age 65, you've got an extra $250,000. 00:28:36.280 |
And at 62, you had an extra $210,000, et cetera, et cetera, et cetera. 00:28:40.360 |
So if you're really looking for the most powerful thing that you can compound, forget about 00:28:48.480 |
Because just the growth from 3% to 6% -- growth from 3% to 6% -- that is an incredible difference 00:29:04.280 |
I think anybody could do 6% if they want to do. 00:29:06.880 |
I think that -- remember, with Brian Tracy's formula, which to me makes all the sense in 00:29:12.320 |
the world, you're going to be increasing your income at 26% annually. 00:29:18.960 |
Let's just do -- I wonder if this will break the calculator. 00:29:21.360 |
If I put in 26% annually, then that means that you're earning $413 million a year at 00:29:34.640 |
There are people who are earning $413 million a year. 00:29:48.640 |
Look at the difference of no matter where you start. 00:29:51.840 |
If starting at 25, no matter where you start, just earning $40,000 just by focusing on compounding 00:30:00.960 |
I think you probably need to enhance your skills. 00:30:03.920 |
Because we're paid exactly what we're worth in the marketplace. 00:30:08.160 |
On a financial basis, the income that you earn right now is exactly the appropriate 00:30:13.280 |
income to what you should be earning based upon the skills that you're bringing to the 00:30:19.080 |
So the only way to change that income is to increase your skills and to enhance the value. 00:30:23.600 |
And then to find somebody, find the marketplace and the marketplace, whether that's a new 00:30:27.480 |
employer or whether that's the customers that value what you've created, to find somebody 00:30:33.240 |
who values that so that you can command a higher wage to earn higher inflows. 00:30:38.200 |
So I would say it means increasing your skills. 00:30:40.600 |
And whether that's simple things like reading books in your field, attending conferences 00:30:44.160 |
in your field, reading your industry magazines so you understand what's going on in your 00:30:48.040 |
field, listening to the podcasts in your field, learning how to speak in public and speaking 00:30:57.440 |
And whether that means those things, whether it's field knowledge, whether that means enhancing 00:31:02.880 |
your personal skills such as increasing your emotional intelligence, increasing your communication 00:31:09.640 |
skills, learning how to inspire people, learning how to lead people, learning how to help other 00:31:17.120 |
Whether that means changing industries, whether that means changing employers. 00:31:22.000 |
You see these stories from time to time that come across and they say how much more somebody 00:31:29.680 |
makes by transitioning from one employer to the next. 00:31:34.000 |
If you want a 30% raise, it's probably easier to find a different employer and then negotiate 00:31:39.520 |
a 30% raise with that different employer than it is to get your current employer to give 00:31:44.240 |
you a 30% raise in a year if they're accustomed to giving you 3% raises. 00:31:48.680 |
So this is how we affect the size of inflows, just one idea of many. 00:31:54.160 |
Now you could also address the characteristics of inflows. 00:31:57.640 |
So characteristics of inflows may be the characteristics of your job. 00:32:03.940 |
Are you working in a field that's agreeable to you? 00:32:06.440 |
Are you working in an industry that you care about, that you like? 00:32:09.640 |
Is there a need to change to another industry? 00:32:12.240 |
Do you work in an industry that you don't like that -- well, if you work in an industry 00:32:17.880 |
that you don't like, you might as well go work in another industry that you don't like 00:32:24.040 |
Or can you switch from the industry that you like -- excuse me, that you don't like to 00:32:27.800 |
an industry that you like even if you need to have a pay cut? 00:32:32.720 |
There's nothing wrong with reducing the number. 00:32:36.000 |
But understand it because you're probably -- if you're working in an industry that you're 00:32:39.760 |
more interested in, it's probably going to be easier for you to compound that number 00:32:43.720 |
than it would be if you were -- than it would be if you were working in an industry that 00:32:54.440 |
How can you apply leverage to your income formula? 00:32:57.240 |
Well, maybe the leverage that you could apply was the financial leverage to borrow money 00:33:03.040 |
on student loans so that instead of making $40,000 out of school, you made $80,000. 00:33:07.960 |
So let's reset this as $80,000 and now let's run our 3% inflation rate, our 3% growth of 00:33:14.920 |
Well, if you start at $80,000 -- I did something wrong. 00:33:21.960 |
So if you start at $80,000 and you can grow your wealth -- you can grow your income at 00:33:27.280 |
3%, now by starting at $80,000, now that final year you're earning $260,000. 00:33:33.960 |
So remember, we're measuring this against our $40,000 base mark and this would make 00:33:37.800 |
sense because we're intuitively -- we have intuitively doubled the salary. 00:33:42.960 |
So what we've done is we've applied, you know, some sort of financial leverage maybe to build 00:33:47.600 |
-- to get a degree in a field that is financially rewarding. 00:33:51.800 |
We've applied financial leverage and we've doubled our income every year going forward. 00:33:55.880 |
That's why the college financial numbers are so difficult to escape is that, you know, 00:34:03.240 |
if you can double from $40,000 to $80,000, that's a doubling every single year. 00:34:08.840 |
So even if you had to borrow $100,000, you know, just do this math in your head. 00:34:13.400 |
If you had to borrow $100,000 for a college degree but you came out making $80,000 instead 00:34:18.800 |
of $40,000 and even though my first example I imagined that you did have a degree, imagine 00:34:24.360 |
now that you don't and imagine that the $40,000 was for the non-college graduate, well, the 00:34:30.240 |
difference in earning power would be $40,000 per year. 00:34:34.240 |
So 40, 80, 120, take out some taxes, let's say three years you've broken even on your 00:34:41.240 |
And then every year from then on, you now can command a higher salary if you learn something 00:34:52.680 |
You may be able to apply some sort of financial leverage through the form of a loan. 00:34:56.800 |
You may be able to apply some other kind of synthetic leverage. 00:35:00.440 |
So for example, could you work in an industry or in a field where you could apply some kind 00:35:05.360 |
of synthetic equity or other leverage to the field? 00:35:09.480 |
So maybe you don't have the money here to, you would really love to make your business, 00:35:15.720 |
you would really love to earn your money and build your business based upon managing rental 00:35:26.040 |
But the reality is you don't have any money to pay for those rental units. 00:35:29.160 |
Well, can you go out and find some other people who already have rental units and hire yourself 00:35:35.360 |
And then now you're leveraging their $100,000 investment and you're just taking a 10% cut 00:35:41.680 |
So this would be a good way to apply leverage to your inflows. 00:35:47.820 |
Consider if changing the size, how can you change the size and the characteristic of 00:35:54.960 |
Are you working in a field that's best suited for your skills? 00:35:58.000 |
Optimize both of those factors and optimize the inflows. 00:36:01.720 |
Now the ultimate optimization might be to get to the point where your investment inflows 00:36:09.480 |
I think this is really the ultimate optimization. 00:36:12.160 |
This is what financial independence truly is, is when the dividends and increases from 00:36:17.480 |
the companies that you own are higher than your outflows. 00:36:27.920 |
So now we're addressing the size and the characteristic of our inflows. 00:36:33.600 |
So if you have that as a set target, that my goal is to build my assets to the point 00:36:40.280 |
where my investment inflows are higher than my personal outflows, if you have that as 00:36:48.160 |
They've never considered that it's even possible because they never even consider 00:36:51.440 |
that there's anything to do other than work as a salary. 00:36:58.880 |
So here again, you're going to adjust the size and the characteristic of the outflows. 00:37:04.160 |
So the size, are there any outflows you could easily cut? 00:37:07.720 |
Could you just simply say, I don't want to spend that money anymore. 00:37:12.320 |
I'm not gaining value from-- I don't know what to pick on. 00:37:16.160 |
I'm just not gaining value from this category of expenses. 00:37:20.640 |
Now, then again, could you say, well, I'd like to go ahead and spend money in this category, 00:37:29.160 |
Instead of spending money on rent to a non-family member, could I rent from a family member? 00:37:36.480 |
So at least then I'm benefiting a family member in this transaction. 00:37:40.500 |
Instead of paying for food that is raised in a way that I don't think is appropriate, 00:37:46.560 |
can I buy food from sources that I do want to support? 00:37:49.480 |
Can I allocate my outflows in a way that support my values? 00:37:54.400 |
So can you optimize the size of the outflows? 00:38:00.560 |
That's what Jacob talks a lot about in his early retirement extreme book. 00:38:03.760 |
Can you adjust and bring in the skill advantage to reduce the amount of outflows that are 00:38:12.160 |
So whether this is something as simple as clipping coupons for your favorite breakfast 00:38:17.080 |
cereal to as complex as a comprehensive income tax plan to shelter the majority of your money 00:38:25.080 |
from income taxes, all of this is about optimizing outflows. 00:38:29.800 |
And you have to optimize outflows in order to build wealth. 00:38:34.800 |
You have to have lower outflows than inflows in order to build the surplus. 00:38:38.720 |
Not going to be possible for you to get rich and build real wealth if that's not the case. 00:38:46.920 |
So don't buy this nonsense that some people say, ah, don't worry about expenses. 00:38:57.800 |
I'm planning a show-- and maybe this week, it may not be-- but I'm planning a show on 00:39:07.480 |
I don't want to destroy this myth about the new car versus the used car for wealth building. 00:39:13.320 |
But one of the key things that's going to be a component of that show is to understand 00:39:22.700 |
If you're at the beginning of your career and you buy a $30,000 car that depreciates 00:39:26.680 |
in value by 15%, that is a huge-- each year, that is a huge number. 00:39:38.680 |
That's an expense-- excuse me-- it's a massive expense that is very difficult for a small 00:39:50.680 |
Now on the other hand, if you're 70 years old and you've got a multimillion dollar income, 00:39:57.480 |
does $4,500 of depreciation matter that much? 00:40:01.140 |
So the key is to understand how big are these numbers in a relative fashion to your specific 00:40:07.680 |
cash flow statement, to your specific outflows. 00:40:11.640 |
And then can you apply the ideas of leverage and compounding-- can you apply the ideas 00:40:22.160 |
So for example, compounding-- can you lower the outflows by doing better tax planning? 00:40:31.560 |
Because of the fact-- for example, investing in an IRA. 00:40:34.280 |
Let's say that you want to invest $5,000 through an IRA. 00:40:39.280 |
Well, you can leverage this by-- let me stop, sorry. 00:40:46.280 |
You can leverage this by leveraging through an IRA. 00:40:50.440 |
So then let's say that at your tax rate, maybe you have to earn $6,500 to be able to pay 00:40:58.100 |
taxes and then invest in a taxable account with the $5,000. 00:41:01.880 |
Well, a good way to apply leveraging here would be to go ahead and put the money into 00:41:12.520 |
And what you can get-- my example breaks down because I'm combining two concepts, and I 00:41:16.840 |
I recognize this is not mathematically perfect. 00:41:19.240 |
But you can get-- in essence, you get to experience by leveraging the tax savings, you get to 00:41:26.280 |
compound not only your original investment, but also the savings on the taxes. 00:41:33.680 |
And you get to compound what you would have had to pay otherwise. 00:41:37.640 |
So you get to compound not only your original investment, but an example-- I shouldn't have 00:41:43.520 |
I should use, say, $3,000, and you've got to invest $4,500. 00:41:46.840 |
So now you can invest on the tax savings and your original principal. 00:41:51.920 |
And that's a tremendous leverage point that you can look for. 00:42:00.360 |
Can you leverage your good relationships with your neighbors to share a Wi-Fi signal between 00:42:05.000 |
each other so that one of you doesn't have to pay for the full thing when you've got 00:42:09.200 |
a perfectly good signal coming in right across the street? 00:42:12.200 |
Can you leverage your county library system so that you spend less money at the bookstore? 00:42:17.440 |
Can you leverage-- I mean, there's a variety of things. 00:42:20.600 |
And everything is going to come down to adjusting the size of the outflows and then optimizing 00:42:30.640 |
And we get to the point of saying, well, how can I affect the rate of return, the size 00:42:36.560 |
of the surplus-- excuse me-- the rate of return that I get, which is the size that it will 00:42:42.720 |
And I'm trying to stay consistent with my size and characteristics. 00:42:47.640 |
So how can I adjust the rate of return that I'm earning on the surplus? 00:42:51.600 |
And how can I adjust the characteristics of my investments? 00:42:55.760 |
So if we think of it in that way, then we're constantly going to be applying our lens to 00:43:02.720 |
What's going to be the best use of this surplus at this point in time? 00:43:06.880 |
And so the best use of this surplus at this point in time may be at one point in time 00:43:11.960 |
going to college and paying for the college tuition fees so that I can increase my income 00:43:16.560 |
if that's the reason that I'm going to college. 00:43:22.600 |
And my wife and I eat scrambled eggs and sausage every morning for breakfast. 00:43:28.880 |
And I bought eight-- I think I bought eight packages of sausage. 00:43:34.040 |
Because I don't know when the next sale comes around. 00:43:35.600 |
I figure it comes around at least every couple months. 00:43:39.160 |
So at least then I got a couple months worth of sausage in the refrigerator. 00:43:42.360 |
So maybe something as simple as saying, I'm going to make sure that I spend my surplus 00:43:47.320 |
on the things that I'm going to use anyway and get them when they're at a price leading 00:43:57.560 |
If you study how to save on groceries, this would be one of the major things that you 00:44:04.280 |
Well, you have to have cash to be able to buy on sale. 00:44:07.360 |
So it may be every bit as appropriate for me to say, I'm going to use my surplus. 00:44:11.360 |
I'm going to do that and stock up on food when it's cheap. 00:44:15.520 |
Or I'm going to use my surplus and I'm going to buy stock when they're cheap. 00:44:18.780 |
Or I'm going to use my surplus to do insulation in my attic, to install energy saving screens 00:44:24.360 |
on my windows to lower my air conditioning bill, or whatever you guys do up north where 00:44:30.320 |
Or maybe buy a wood stove or put in better windows to have solar again. 00:44:37.760 |
So whatever it is, I can apply the same thinking as saying, how can I optimize the surplus? 00:44:44.960 |
How can I optimize the rate of return that I'm earning on the surplus? 00:44:48.080 |
Now notice how the rate of return that I'm earning on the surplus is going to come back 00:44:55.000 |
So let's say that my decision is, Joshua, you say that since the history of well-run 00:45:03.800 |
equities markets, they've generally returned 10%. 00:45:14.180 |
So a business idea, a good business idea, may easily make far more than 10%. 00:45:19.200 |
And so this would be where I could, if I ran my calculations, just for fun I will here, 00:45:30.400 |
Let's put this in as $40,000 present value, no payments, 3% growth over 40 years. 00:45:36.600 |
So 3% growth over 40 years comes out to be $130,000 of income. 00:45:43.280 |
So let's say you said, well, 10%, I want to compound that at more. 00:45:50.140 |
So the right investment in your own business, where you can apply leveraging and compounding 00:45:54.160 |
and unique skill and knowledge, and if the business is successful, could increase your 00:46:03.240 |
That's the way that you go from the $40,000 incomes to the $4 million incomes. 00:46:08.720 |
You don't get that working in middle management. 00:46:10.880 |
You don't make $4 million working in middle management at a medium-sized company. 00:46:16.640 |
You get that by becoming the CEO of a large public traded company, or you get it by starting 00:46:23.520 |
a local scrap dealer, a local plumbing company that you grow to be a bunch of trucks. 00:46:30.760 |
So I don't want to repeat anything that I've said. 00:46:35.240 |
So I think this is about all I've got on this topic. 00:46:38.000 |
But I guess I just want to point out to me, the cash flow statement and the balance sheet 00:46:42.520 |
are beautiful, because they illustrate everything that I can do. 00:46:45.920 |
And for you, they will illustrate everything that you can do. 00:46:50.960 |
And somehow, maybe I should figure out a way to sell this a little bit better. 00:46:54.880 |
But you don't need to listen to my show every day. 00:46:57.840 |
All you would do is create a cash flow statement and a balance sheet, and look at it and say, 00:47:01.520 |
how can I optimize the size and the characteristic of these inflows, outflows, and the rate of 00:47:09.840 |
Those are the only three, maybe six levers that you have to do. 00:47:13.120 |
But that's what ultimately everything's going to come from. 00:47:15.560 |
Now are there other financial planning things? 00:47:20.240 |
Well, insurance is protecting my inflows, or it's protecting my outflows. 00:47:24.800 |
So if I'm-- Sam, I mentioned disability insurance. 00:47:28.440 |
So if I'm buying disability insurance, I'm buying disability insurance so that if my 00:47:32.480 |
inflows are interrupted due to disability, that I can replace those inflows from the 00:47:38.460 |
If I'm buying property and casualty insurance, a fire policy on my house, I'm protecting 00:47:43.320 |
myself so that if my house is disrupted, I'm protecting my budget from the need to come 00:47:49.520 |
up with an extra $200,000 to rebuild my house as an outflow. 00:47:53.560 |
So it all works in on this calculation and on this formula. 00:48:02.880 |
To me, it kind of dispels a lot of the differentiation that everyone's trying to constantly say, 00:48:13.560 |
Ah, you're working on an investment trick here. 00:48:16.880 |
And so there's a dramatic, there are dramatic gains that can be made by seeing these things 00:48:24.880 |
And my wish is that we all started to view everything we do in a comprehensive manner 00:48:29.440 |
and that we all were able to think these things through and help one another by thinking comprehensively. 00:48:36.120 |
I also just want to free you from the idea that this stuff is set in stone for you. 00:48:45.480 |
You can choose to affect any of these variables that you want to affect. 00:48:49.680 |
I had an idea earlier, and I think I've got a moment to do it. 00:48:57.440 |
And let me show how, you know, you can have the choice. 00:49:00.240 |
So I was using earlier $40,000 as my proxy income. 00:49:06.800 |
But instead of starting at age 25, let's say someone starts earning at age 18. 00:49:12.920 |
And so now my number of years from instead of 25 to 65, instead of 40 years, it's going 00:49:19.280 |
Well, at 65, this person is now earning $160,000 instead of the $130,000 that the person starting 00:49:29.640 |
So this would be, if we were doing a rational college calculation, if we were doing a college 00:49:36.400 |
calculation and we discovered that our starting wage out of college was going to be $40,000, 00:49:40.960 |
but we could get a starting wage prior to college of $40,000, then we would need to 00:49:45.440 |
factor in the seven years of lost productivity. 00:49:50.920 |
But my point is that the extra seven years of compounding resulted in an extra $30,000 00:50:04.180 |
You started at 4%, and you started at 18, and you said, OK, I'm going to compound at 00:50:21.440 |
So there's amazing differences that can be had. 00:50:25.360 |
I don't know which of those things are going to work for you. 00:50:27.720 |
If you're 18, pay attention to those numbers. 00:50:30.040 |
If you're 48, that's not a lot of help to you. 00:50:34.480 |
But make your financial statements, and you'll still be able to figure out what will actually 00:50:40.520 |
So I think that's most of what I want to share on this topic. 00:50:43.800 |
And I do have one more idea, and then I'll leave you with a challenge. 00:50:48.640 |
Remember that we're only really here talking about the financial statements. 00:50:53.960 |
And there are a lot of other non-financial statements. 00:50:57.040 |
There's a lot of other aspects of life that is non-financial. 00:51:00.360 |
You know, a good question should be, as far as if we have a surplus, how should we-- how 00:51:11.160 |
Should we save it in the bank, or should we move our family across town to a better neighborhood 00:51:16.080 |
Now, that's going to convert it into an outflow, so it's not a surplus any longer. 00:51:20.760 |
But maybe, should we use the surplus to adopt a child and invest into the life of that child? 00:51:29.080 |
Or should we use it to buy a van we can use for our side business? 00:51:35.640 |
Remember that it's not going to be, ultimately, the money things that any of us are really 00:51:48.220 |
There may be a few of us that look back fondly and maybe view a certificate of stock that 00:51:53.320 |
was our first stock we ever bought, or that we keep some memento of our past financial 00:51:59.200 |
goings on, whether that was the mortgage cancellation notice of our debt. 00:52:03.360 |
But most of us are going to have a wall full of family pictures. 00:52:08.120 |
And we're going to have those non-financial things that matter. 00:52:11.640 |
And that's what we're going to be focusing on. 00:52:14.560 |
The great things in life are really not that expensive. 00:52:19.480 |
My wife and I just talk about what an amazing life we live. 00:52:22.880 |
And I'm not saying that in a-- what's the word that means-- 00:52:35.840 |
I'm not saying that in some kind of-- anyway, I'm not saying that to-- it's true. 00:52:48.000 |
And the beautiful sunset is really no more beautiful from the $30 million mansion as 00:52:57.880 |
So just consider those things, is that the great things in life are really not that expensive. 00:53:06.320 |
And consider how can you optimize not just the size, but also the-- not just the amounts, 00:53:12.160 |
but also the categories and the characteristics of all the inflows and outflows. 00:53:21.820 |
And I just remembered, I want to play a piece of audio for you before I go. 00:53:24.520 |
In fact, I'm just going to end with that audio and I'm not going to play the closing music. 00:53:30.200 |
It's about a three-minute audio from Jim Rohn, who was just an amazing-- had an amazing ability 00:53:34.480 |
to put things into-- to make-- turn words into poetry and turn them into poetry that 00:53:40.760 |
He's certainly been a huge help to me over the years and I want to honor his legacy and 00:53:44.760 |
just play a moment-- a three-minute audio clip. 00:53:50.320 |
If you haven't done these financial statements, I know that this is not generally the type 00:53:56.840 |
But I really believe that this is a really useful tool. 00:53:59.800 |
And if you haven't done this, just create these for yourself. 00:54:02.400 |
Create a simple balance sheet and create a simple cash flow statement. 00:54:06.260 |
Don't just create it and then just, you know, tuck it away in a drawer. 00:54:09.460 |
Look at it and ask yourself if it's reflecting your values and if it's reflecting what you're 00:54:18.440 |
And give it some time with kind of a-- I don't know, maybe a journaling exercise to 00:54:29.000 |
What could I do to increase them substantially? 00:54:33.280 |
If it's outflows, you can go through every category of your budget here. 00:54:36.380 |
And sometimes, you may wind yourself-- you may wind up-- excuse me. 00:54:42.080 |
May wind up in a perspective where you are doing a fancy financial planning tool. 00:54:46.920 |
You're doing a fancy tax plan or something like that. 00:54:49.480 |
The stuff that I'll talk about more, you know, more on this show. 00:54:52.720 |
Or it might be that you're just saying, "Why am I paying money for this car that I just 00:55:03.880 |
I'm going to sell it and move to another neighborhood." 00:55:06.880 |
You can coach yourself through this stuff once you have the statement in front of you. 00:55:10.680 |
And look, in your situation, I want to talk about lots more ideas, but how can you apply 00:55:15.120 |
leverage and compounding in all of the right ways without all of the negative ways? 00:55:20.840 |
So get rid of the compounding credit card debt that's compounding against you. 00:55:25.120 |
And start compounding your income at a higher rate than it's ever been compounded at. 00:55:30.520 |
And try to apply some sort of synthetic leverage to your-- some categories of your expenses. 00:55:38.120 |
You know, people do this with-- just another example of what I mean is like with travel 00:55:41.080 |
hacking, where people say, "Well, I'm going to go ahead and use-- I've got to buy money, 00:55:46.640 |
but I'll use airlines credit cards, and I'll buy all these free mile programs. 00:55:51.640 |
And now I'm going to leverage my skill with this to get more money for the dollar than 00:56:06.160 |
I wanted to mention about the shows on Thursday and Friday. 00:56:10.280 |
I tried to bring a little bit of-- I enjoyed the Alan Watts audio, and then also the talk 00:56:20.520 |
And just want to point out one thing about the Cal Newport. 00:56:25.240 |
But notice that there's nothing in those two talks that is contradictory of one another. 00:56:37.320 |
If you want to just say, I want to do what I'm passionate about and ignore the skill, 00:56:41.600 |
if you're willing to forego the potential financial loss, there's no reason why you 00:56:47.120 |
And what annoys me about a lot of things-- and I'm sure Cal would-- I've never spoken 00:56:51.800 |
I'm sure he would admit it-- is that we generally only hear of the rich people. 00:56:56.360 |
There are a lot of people who don't have a lot of money. 00:57:01.000 |
So they're not speaking at college graduation commencement ceremonies. 00:57:05.560 |
But they are living the lifestyle of their dreams. 00:57:08.400 |
And they're doing it through the application of skill. 00:57:13.420 |
So as Cal said, if you have 10 interests, pick one and get really good at it and build 00:57:20.080 |
If you do know what you're passionate about, figure out a plan to get there. 00:57:23.200 |
That's what this show is about, is having a customized plan that's really going to 00:57:37.520 |
Thank you for those of you who've been leaving reviews for the show on iTunes. 00:57:44.120 |
But if this show fell flat, give me a little bit of mercy. 00:57:47.120 |
But I'll do my best to keep on coming back this week with world-class financial planning 00:57:56.160 |
Create those two financial statements for yourself. 00:57:59.240 |
And start coaching yourself through every one of your decisions. 00:58:04.840 |
First question is one of the major questions of the world. 00:58:23.800 |
One of the best answers to why is the second question. 00:58:32.100 |
What else are you going to do with your life? 00:59:01.920 |
Some people have done the most incredible things with limited start. 00:59:21.640 |
Why not you watching the morning mist rise over the mountains of Scotland? 00:59:28.000 |
Exploring the mysteries of Spain, soaking up history in London. 00:59:33.640 |
You got to take a stroll through the palace of Versailles. 00:59:41.200 |
You got to have lunch in one of those neat little sidewalk cafes in Paris. 00:59:46.080 |
I mean, Denny's is okay, but you got to try Paris. 00:59:51.760 |
Someday you got to gaze directly at the Mona Lisa. 00:59:58.560 |
I can show you where to find the most exquisite seashells in Miami and the Bahamas. 01:00:36.160 |
You got to be involved in commerce and love and travel and experiences. 01:00:43.920 |
You got to know the results that come from splendid discipline. 01:00:58.760 |
Don't postpone your better future any longer. 01:01:08.420 |
Start to make changes, have conversations, make contact, and do it now. 01:01:15.200 |
And if you will, I have a feeling one of these days we'll be hearing your story.