In conversation with Megyn Kelly | All-In Summit 2024
00:00:00.000 | Well, Megyn Kelly looks to be parting ways with NBC.
00:00:03.080 | Her show is now canceled.
00:00:05.240 | - Megyn Kelly just landed a new gig.
00:00:07.580 | - Why was she given a platform in the first place?
00:00:10.120 | - We're doing this program because we believe
00:00:12.080 | there's an urgent need for independent voices
00:00:14.960 | in the media landscape.
00:00:16.420 | - I know the audience you have.
00:00:18.260 | I can reasonably guess it.
00:00:19.880 | It's enormous.
00:00:20.840 | Podcasts, Rumble, YouTube, Twitter with Elon,
00:00:26.340 | that's the problem.
00:00:28.440 | A lot of people in cable news, Megyn,
00:00:30.320 | are fighting yesterday's war.
00:00:32.320 | They're not the problem now, you're the problem.
00:00:35.240 | - Ladies and gentlemen, please welcome Megyn Kelly.
00:00:37.860 | (audience applause)
00:00:40.160 | Good, great to see you.
00:00:42.360 | Thank you for coming.
00:00:43.400 | Hi, thanks for being here.
00:00:47.280 | - All right.
00:00:48.360 | - Hi Megyn, how are you?
00:00:49.320 | Nice to see you.
00:00:50.440 | - Hey Megyn, how are you?
00:00:51.700 | - Did you get to hear Peter Thiel, Megyn?
00:00:54.120 | - I did, just the tail end, just a bit.
00:00:56.280 | - What do you think of Peter?
00:00:57.820 | - He's brilliant.
00:00:58.900 | - Yeah?
00:00:59.740 | - Yeah, I mean, thank God for him, right?
00:01:01.580 | It's like there's a few guys in tech with a lot of money
00:01:03.780 | keeping Republican candidates alive
00:01:05.360 | and we need every single one of them.
00:01:07.240 | (audience laughter)
00:01:08.080 | - Okay, thank God we're starting early.
00:01:10.080 | - I think all of them were here today.
00:01:13.200 | (audience laughter)
00:01:16.200 | - You seem incredibly happy as an independent broadcaster
00:01:24.080 | and running your own show.
00:01:25.660 | Maybe, number one, am I right that you're
00:01:29.660 | just absolutely engaged and excited again
00:01:32.620 | about broadcasting because it seemed like
00:01:35.500 | the tail end of your working for the machine
00:01:38.320 | was particularly challenging?
00:01:40.740 | - Oh yeah.
00:01:41.580 | - Tell us.
00:01:42.420 | - That's a polite way of saying it.
00:01:43.320 | - I'm just trying to be polite, yeah.
00:01:44.160 | - No, it's fine.
00:01:45.240 | You are?
00:01:46.080 | - Well, the last time it kind of blew up on us.
00:01:47.920 | - Remember when you called him a prick on TV?
00:01:49.920 | - I do, I do.
00:01:50.960 | (laughter)
00:01:51.880 | It was good natured.
00:01:53.380 | - It was good natured, yes.
00:01:54.800 | - Yeah, no, I'm so much happier.
00:01:56.780 | And it's really changed my whole view on cancel culture.
00:02:00.320 | I really, I'm a believer in cancel culture now.
00:02:03.160 | I think it separates individuals from companies
00:02:06.040 | where they do not belong, where the values are not aligned.
00:02:08.820 | And I really can't imagine being right now at NBC,
00:02:13.820 | or frankly at Fox News, in this environment
00:02:16.840 | and having to comport with their rules
00:02:19.920 | on how we talk about these very dicey issues
00:02:22.120 | that are all over the news today.
00:02:23.120 | I could not do it.
00:02:24.160 | It was just a matter of time before I was canceled.
00:02:26.540 | - Yeah, talk about producing a show now
00:02:30.800 | that is the largest, you're now the largest broadcaster
00:02:34.380 | in the news category on YouTube, crushing everybody else.
00:02:38.680 | CNN, Fox, their YouTube channels now bow down before you,
00:02:43.260 | and you are an independent company
00:02:44.640 | with, I understand, six people.
00:02:46.680 | - Yeah, six producers.
00:02:48.140 | - Six producers.
00:02:49.740 | So that is, how many people at the peak, NBC, Fox,
00:02:52.900 | did you have working in your group?
00:02:55.060 | - Well, I probably had about 15 producers,
00:02:57.320 | but Fox was always lean.
00:02:58.400 | CNN, Anderson Cooper Show, which was across from us
00:03:01.600 | for a while, minus one hour,
00:03:03.560 | had something like 100 staffers.
00:03:06.440 | So think about it.
00:03:07.280 | So we did not, in July, we did not beat CNN,
00:03:09.620 | but we had 2/3 of CNN's YouTube audience, 2/3.
00:03:12.880 | Every single dollar in the multibillion-dollar CNN audience
00:03:17.320 | went into, obviously, their live broadcasts, which we crush.
00:03:20.860 | We crush their numbers, dollar to dollar,
00:03:22.840 | in terms of the podcasts and so on.
00:03:24.880 | But let's just look at YouTube.
00:03:26.600 | So all those resources go into their YouTube feed as well,
00:03:28.800 | and it's got every show on CNN, every single talent.
00:03:31.320 | And our one show, with my six producers,
00:03:33.680 | crushed, well, came close to crushing them all,
00:03:35.720 | and did crush CBS and NBC,
00:03:39.120 | which was a particularly nice piece of news.
00:03:41.220 | (audience laughs and applauds)
00:03:42.960 | - When you left, my understanding of these deals,
00:03:46.280 | when Tucker left on Lemon,
00:03:47.940 | and you leave those broadcast ones,
00:03:50.560 | it's kind of like they're paying you to not compete.
00:03:52.640 | You can't go work for another network.
00:03:54.840 | So was that the case with you, if you can say it,
00:03:58.200 | and then you were kind of forced
00:03:59.800 | to become an independent broadcaster?
00:04:01.720 | - I wasn't forced.
00:04:02.740 | I was only forced to have my show end at NBC.
00:04:06.760 | And beyond that, I don't think I'm at liberty
00:04:08.640 | to speak of the specifics. - Got it.
00:04:10.520 | - But I was free to get another job.
00:04:13.100 | I just wasn't sure I would.
00:04:14.600 | There was a couple of years there
00:04:16.220 | that were dark and depressing,
00:04:18.100 | and my industry is incredibly disgusting and toxic
00:04:20.720 | and awful.
00:04:21.800 | Perhaps you've watched the news and you know.
00:04:24.040 | And I just sat on the couch thinking,
00:04:26.640 | why would I go back into that?
00:04:28.480 | That was terrible.
00:04:29.840 | And it makes you a bad person and unhappy.
00:04:33.080 | And all they do is stimulate outrage all the time
00:04:35.400 | and then get rich off of it.
00:04:36.680 | And you have to push somebody else's agenda.
00:04:38.760 | And I don't wanna do any of that.
00:04:40.880 | And it wasn't until first the pandemic hit,
00:04:45.280 | and then we started to lose our minds on all the mandates,
00:04:48.000 | and then George Floyd, and then we really lost our minds.
00:04:51.800 | And seeing those people in the streets
00:04:53.800 | trying to make people put down their burgers
00:04:56.240 | and say Black Lives Matter is when I got up off my couch
00:04:59.920 | and said, now it's on.
00:05:02.080 | Like, I can't stand when people make me do things.
00:05:06.520 | I really, I can't stand bullies.
00:05:09.560 | And it's in my DNA to stand up against them.
00:05:12.880 | And so I had to get back on the air.
00:05:16.000 | And I said to my therapist, who is really underpaid,
00:05:19.000 | (both laughing)
00:05:21.920 | what if nobody watches?
00:05:23.320 | You know, what if nobody listens?
00:05:24.960 | It was just a podcast at the time, no visual.
00:05:27.480 | And he's from South Africa, and he said, well, I'll listen.
00:05:31.480 | I said, okay, great.
00:05:32.920 | And Doug will listen, my husband.
00:05:35.160 | I'm like, well, I've got two.
00:05:37.040 | And that was four years ago, and now it's going great.
00:05:39.640 | - How has your approach changed, if at all,
00:05:42.560 | in terms of what you want to produce
00:05:45.000 | and what conversations you want to have?
00:05:47.320 | Because you no longer have to think,
00:05:48.920 | well, what does Roger Ailes think,
00:05:50.280 | or this NBC person, or everybody in between.
00:05:53.640 | You actually, the buck stops at your desk,
00:05:56.840 | at your microphone, you're the decider now.
00:05:59.320 | So what is your framework for deciding what to put on air?
00:06:04.080 | Because you do also now suffer from,
00:06:07.640 | hey, you're in YouTube.
00:06:09.560 | If it bleeds, it leads.
00:06:11.120 | If it has rage associated with it,
00:06:12.640 | it's gonna get more clicks.
00:06:13.920 | So how do you mitigate that?
00:06:16.160 | - Well, I love my producers,
00:06:17.800 | and a few of them have been with me for over 10 years,
00:06:20.720 | 15 years plus, from Fox News,
00:06:22.960 | from the earliest show I ever did in 2007 to now.
00:06:26.280 | So they know me very well,
00:06:27.200 | and they know what lights my fire.
00:06:28.680 | And if I feel that fire in the belly,
00:06:30.640 | it's usually not outrage,
00:06:31.960 | it's just fire in the belly over the news,
00:06:34.080 | then it's a good story for me.
00:06:35.760 | And that differs host to host.
00:06:37.440 | You know, what drives you nuts?
00:06:38.880 | What do you need to have your say on?
00:06:41.120 | And so for me, speaking of therapists,
00:06:43.480 | it's like therapy to go out there on the set
00:06:46.120 | and say what I know is true, right?
00:06:48.160 | Just say what's true about the news.
00:06:50.760 | And then we can argue about the meaning
00:06:52.680 | and our opinions on what's true,
00:06:54.440 | but what's true should not be so up for debate.
00:06:57.080 | But yeah, I have a few through lines
00:07:00.120 | that my team always knows will get me excited.
00:07:01.920 | And since the beginning, free speech has been one of them.
00:07:05.120 | And the thing about the cops,
00:07:06.440 | it's not coincidental that that's what got me up,
00:07:08.440 | because I've been at Fox, you know, 14 years I was there,
00:07:11.960 | and I have a brother who's a police officer,
00:07:13.960 | he's a retired lieutenant,
00:07:15.600 | and one of the most honorable men
00:07:16.960 | you'll ever meet in your life.
00:07:17.880 | And I am just so sick and have been so sick
00:07:20.520 | of the lies that have been told about cops.
00:07:22.600 | - It's brutal.
00:07:23.600 | We have law enforcement in my family as well,
00:07:25.240 | and it's really hard to watch this, yeah.
00:07:28.080 | - Yes, it's so egregious.
00:07:29.400 | This is not to excuse the few bad apples
00:07:31.160 | that you see on the news,
00:07:32.000 | but they are so not representative
00:07:33.680 | of your average police officer.
00:07:35.040 | - Absolutely not.
00:07:35.880 | - And it's, these guys make no money.
00:07:38.040 | You know, they don't get a lot of glory.
00:07:40.000 | - They risk their lives.
00:07:40.840 | - They risk their lives every day for us, right?
00:07:42.720 | And now on top of all that,
00:07:44.280 | they're treated like absolute shit by everyone.
00:07:47.000 | The news media, absolutely no qualms
00:07:48.800 | about ruining these guys' lives before any due process.
00:07:51.600 | And that's what the media's been doing
00:07:53.200 | with everyone in the past five years.
00:07:55.000 | No due process.
00:07:56.480 | You are, you're accused of anything, you're guilty.
00:07:59.600 | And there's really no Jones
00:08:01.760 | to figure out whether it's fair.
00:08:03.920 | And so, you know, given my legal background,
00:08:05.640 | 'cause I practiced law for a decade,
00:08:07.360 | that's another piece of it that always gets me fired up,
00:08:09.360 | somebody being unfairly railroaded.
00:08:11.920 | - I think the topic you've been most on fire,
00:08:15.400 | and I think it's very brave,
00:08:17.300 | is the issues around trans issues, trans rights,
00:08:21.400 | and maybe young children.
00:08:24.440 | You're not a bigot, but you're being framed as that
00:08:27.680 | when this discussion comes up.
00:08:29.040 | Maybe you could explain just what is your position
00:08:32.240 | on biological men in locker rooms, you know,
00:08:37.560 | and maybe kids receiving hormones
00:08:41.720 | or having their bodies mutilated
00:08:44.840 | because they maybe feel like they're the opposite gender.
00:08:48.040 | I don't wanna lead the witness here,
00:08:49.380 | but I think we're more in sync on this issue
00:08:51.480 | than maybe most.
00:08:52.320 | - Yeah, I don't care what they call me.
00:08:54.720 | They can call me a bigot, a TERF, a trans misogynist,
00:08:58.360 | which is not a thing, I will speak truth.
00:09:01.640 | Men cannot become women, period.
00:09:04.320 | (audience applauding)
00:09:05.720 | Women can't become men either.
00:09:07.400 | And men and boys do not belong in women's spaces,
00:09:10.000 | whether it's a bathroom, a locker room,
00:09:12.120 | or a sports event.
00:09:13.880 | They don't.
00:09:14.720 | And good men do not wish to access those places.
00:09:19.200 | (audience applauding)
00:09:20.280 | And by the way, even if you have some empathy
00:09:22.720 | for someone who's genuinely struggling,
00:09:24.280 | the problem is the camel's nose,
00:09:26.160 | because as soon as you allow one person
00:09:28.680 | who may be genuinely struggling with this issue
00:09:31.720 | into your 17-year-old girl's locker room,
00:09:34.180 | that opportunity will be exploited by openly bad actors.
00:09:38.500 | And when girls start getting hurt in these private spaces,
00:09:41.700 | as they already have been,
00:09:42.820 | listen to Riley Gaines's testimonial
00:09:44.380 | about what happened to her with Leah Thomas,
00:09:47.140 | about how he was in there, he was looking at her,
00:09:49.940 | she was naked, she had no idea an intact male
00:09:52.580 | was entering her locker room, the humiliation she felt.
00:09:56.300 | That counts as injury, but we could go well beyond that
00:09:59.380 | because it's crossed over to actual physical.
00:10:01.540 | So I am willing to fight to my dying day against that
00:10:04.740 | without judging trans people themselves.
00:10:07.300 | What you do in the privacy of your own home
00:10:08.900 | or your own life is your business, not mine,
00:10:10.860 | unless you make it my business.
00:10:12.620 | And then you will hear from me.
00:10:13.700 | And if you make it my child's business, times 10.
00:10:16.980 | - And in your answer is empathy for somebody
00:10:21.980 | who is suffering from gender dysmorphia
00:10:26.820 | and who's struggling with that issue,
00:10:29.980 | and you don't have a problem with those individuals,
00:10:32.460 | as you've said two or three times in that one answer.
00:10:35.100 | Yet you could give that disclaimer,
00:10:36.740 | you could say you have empathy or sympathy for them,
00:10:38.540 | and the only thing they're gonna hear
00:10:40.100 | is something they project into it.
00:10:42.860 | - So it got a lot easier for me on the name calling
00:10:45.780 | in response to this issue once I realized
00:10:47.940 | the vast majority of people who wanna call me a bigot
00:10:50.460 | or a TERF are men, they are men posing as women.
00:10:55.260 | So these are men trying to shame me
00:10:57.220 | out of standing up for my daughter and myself
00:10:59.540 | and my fellow women on our safe spaces.
00:11:02.420 | That's the end of it.
00:11:03.380 | They can take a seat.
00:11:04.860 | Because these men don't know the first thing,
00:11:06.380 | they're showing up for mammograms.
00:11:09.700 | You ladies know what it's like, the older ones like me,
00:11:12.540 | sitting in the mammogram office
00:11:13.820 | where you're out there waiting to go in
00:11:15.100 | and you're in your little robe and you're worried,
00:11:16.980 | you're nervous, you gotta do it when you hit a certain age.
00:11:19.540 | But you know what you're there for,
00:11:21.180 | you guys have it on the other end.
00:11:23.060 | You're like, I hope I don't have cancer,
00:11:26.540 | they say I need to go here, I gotta find it early.
00:11:28.660 | You're sitting looking at other women
00:11:30.140 | and now we're having men.
00:11:31.940 | Men sneak in there, not because they're actually worried
00:11:34.380 | 'cause a very, very small percentage can get,
00:11:35.860 | but because they wanna feel like women.
00:11:37.900 | Same thing at the OBGYN, get out.
00:11:40.820 | Get out of our spaces, I'm sick of this bullshit.
00:11:43.340 | Now what I have empathy for is us, women and girls.
00:11:46.740 | Somebody else can worry about the feelings
00:11:48.300 | of the men who wanna access.
00:11:49.780 | (audience applauding)
00:11:50.540 | - Can I?
00:11:51.380 | Do you think that there are individuals
00:11:57.460 | who have been historically repressed
00:11:59.900 | and have now felt the freedom to come out
00:12:02.020 | and say that they are a different gender?
00:12:05.980 | Or do you think that there's something else
00:12:07.580 | socially going on?
00:12:08.980 | What's going on and why do you think
00:12:12.300 | that this has become such a prominent issue
00:12:14.700 | of late in the last couple of years?
00:12:16.460 | - Yes, 100% it has exploded as a social contagion.
00:12:19.620 | And that's been documented by many people
00:12:21.820 | from a very smart woman at Brown to Abigail Shrier
00:12:24.500 | in her must-read book "Irreversible Damage" and beyond.
00:12:27.940 | But this is a social contagion.
00:12:29.500 | This is not populating in the way that it is
00:12:32.260 | just because we're more accepting now.
00:12:34.740 | And if that were true, you would see it everywhere.
00:12:37.660 | But what you're seeing is more concentrated
00:12:40.460 | in more leftist states, cities, regions.
00:12:44.020 | And that's because the more of it kids are exposed to,
00:12:46.900 | the more they gravitate toward it.
00:12:48.700 | And in that way, it is like anorexia.
00:12:51.380 | I just had Kelly J. Keane in a pre-taped show today.
00:12:53.860 | She's airing tomorrow.
00:12:54.940 | She's an activist on this issue.
00:12:56.740 | And she was saying, if you go on YouTube
00:12:58.260 | and you Google anorexia or bulimia,
00:13:00.820 | they won't show you the videos.
00:13:02.300 | But if you Google top surgery,
00:13:04.740 | which is the super sweet way of saying a double mastectomy,
00:13:08.180 | usually for 15 or 14-year-old girls,
00:13:10.820 | you can see all you want all day long.
00:13:13.460 | And what's happening more and more is autistic children
00:13:16.980 | or children someplace on the spectrum stumble onto this
00:13:21.380 | and in many cases have obsessive thinking to begin with
00:13:24.380 | and go down a rabbit hole that takes them hours on end
00:13:27.100 | down Reddit or one of these other websites.
00:13:30.140 | And it does become an obsessive thought
00:13:32.140 | and then obsessive behavior.
00:13:33.660 | And then you have a medical community
00:13:35.620 | that has submitted to a firm.
00:13:38.540 | The standard is a firm.
00:13:40.480 | Not, are your parents going through a divorce?
00:13:42.460 | Did you have really bad grades?
00:13:44.040 | Was there a sexual assault in your past,
00:13:45.660 | which is so often the case
00:13:46.860 | for a lot of the young girls in particular.
00:13:49.060 | No, you're not even allowed to go there
00:13:50.800 | or you're considered engaging in conversion therapy.
00:13:53.700 | It's crossover.
00:13:55.380 | That's it.
00:13:56.220 | Puberty blockers, cross-sex hormones.
00:13:58.060 | Those two things alone in that order,
00:14:00.420 | high, high likelihood you are sterile.
00:14:03.380 | You are sterilizing yourself
00:14:04.820 | and your parents are allowing it.
00:14:06.100 | Just puberty blockers into cross-sex hormones.
00:14:08.060 | That's it.
00:14:08.900 | Nevermind chopping off body parts.
00:14:10.380 | And then they'll go to school
00:14:11.500 | and they'll say, "I'm no longer a girl."
00:14:13.500 | And the school will hide it
00:14:15.180 | from the people who love that child most, their parents.
00:14:17.980 | If the parents aren't on the affirm board,
00:14:20.720 | in New York City, where I fled with my children
00:14:24.140 | 'cause they were trying to do this
00:14:25.020 | to our schools and our classes,
00:14:28.100 | that's the policy, private and public.
00:14:30.580 | You do not tell the parents.
00:14:32.040 | It's a secret.
00:14:33.580 | What kind of country are we getting to be
00:14:35.300 | where we allow secrets between grown teachers and minors
00:14:39.560 | that the parents aren't allowed to know?
00:14:41.780 | That's what we used to call grooming, right?
00:14:45.020 | It opens up a very dangerous door.
00:14:46.980 | (audience applauding)
00:14:48.180 | - And why has this become politicized?
00:14:51.080 | And how has it become politicized?
00:14:53.280 | - That I don't understand.
00:14:54.980 | I don't understand how, frankly,
00:14:57.680 | anyone can vote Democrat right now.
00:14:59.640 | I just don't get it.
00:15:01.160 | I know that there's a priority of issues, right?
00:15:03.680 | And for some people, it's-
00:15:05.220 | (audience laughing)
00:15:07.640 | Oh, David's here.
00:15:08.680 | He just woke up.
00:15:09.520 | (audience laughing)
00:15:11.480 | For some people, I get it.
00:15:12.680 | - Sachs or Democrat, what?
00:15:13.920 | (audience laughing)
00:15:15.920 | - It's abortion or it's, you know,
00:15:18.460 | I can't think of the issues
00:15:19.540 | that would make you vote Democrat,
00:15:20.600 | even though I used to vote Democrat.
00:15:21.860 | I'm a registered independent.
00:15:23.220 | I voted in eight presidential elections.
00:15:24.820 | I voted Democrat four times and Republican four.
00:15:27.500 | I'm about as independent as you can get.
00:15:29.260 | - Let me, can we, let's shift gears to the election then.
00:15:31.740 | So- (audience laughing)
00:15:33.580 | - Yeah, you've piqued his interest.
00:15:35.660 | - I didn't think that was gonna be funny, but.
00:15:38.020 | So Megan, I mean, in addition to being a great broadcaster,
00:15:40.660 | you actually are a great political pundit,
00:15:43.340 | I would say, and prognosticator.
00:15:45.020 | I remember being on your show
00:15:46.580 | at the beginning of the Republican primary
00:15:48.540 | when DeSantis was riding high,
00:15:50.020 | making the case for DeSantis.
00:15:51.900 | Obviously that was totally wrong.
00:15:53.420 | And you're like, no, you know, like, it's gonna be Trump.
00:15:56.080 | You know, the Republican party is not done with Trump,
00:15:57.900 | and you were exactly right.
00:15:59.360 | What's your take on where things are at right now?
00:16:02.380 | And do you have a take on who's gonna win?
00:16:04.840 | - I mean, of course we all wanna know that, right?
00:16:07.160 | That's why we follow these polls religiously,
00:16:09.260 | 'cause we wanna peek into what's gonna happen.
00:16:11.900 | I mean, I think Trump right now is better positioned to win
00:16:14.380 | than he's ever been in any election before.
00:16:17.400 | If you look at where he is,
00:16:18.580 | let's take the New York Times-Siena poll that just dropped.
00:16:20.540 | That's the gold standard.
00:16:21.460 | That's the best poll, if you ask most pollsters.
00:16:23.940 | Huge sample, and likely voters,
00:16:26.340 | and it's got Trump up one, which is basically a tie, up one.
00:16:31.340 | This time, four years ago, Biden was up nine over Trump,
00:16:36.420 | and that election was this tight, and it had Biden up nine.
00:16:40.900 | - It said the statistical probability
00:16:42.660 | of an electoral college for Trump was 99.7%.
00:16:45.720 | - Yeah, if you look at the swing states,
00:16:47.900 | he's got a 63%. - Nate Silver's
00:16:48.740 | interpretation of that poll.
00:16:50.220 | - Yeah. - That came out, yeah.
00:16:51.340 | - And Nate, now the left is turning on Nate,
00:16:53.700 | inexplicably, really, I mean, other than his data.
00:16:57.540 | But they loved Nate, and they created Nate,
00:16:59.220 | but now that Nate's numbers aren't going their way,
00:17:01.020 | they're like, "Who's Nate connected to?
00:17:02.220 | "Who's he working for?"
00:17:03.180 | Nate, like most prognosticators, wants to be right.
00:17:07.020 | But look, I'll say this, and by the way, in '16,
00:17:09.780 | it showed Hillary up two at this point.
00:17:12.300 | So, and Trump won that election.
00:17:14.660 | The general wisdom is that the Democrat has to be up
00:17:17.500 | some four points or better in the national polling,
00:17:21.080 | given the fact that they usually win the popular vote,
00:17:23.780 | just given how blue the urban centers are,
00:17:27.420 | in order to win, in order to cross over
00:17:29.060 | in those swing states, and right now, she's not.
00:17:32.660 | I mean, that New York Times poll shows her down more.
00:17:34.940 | - You were in the middle of the 2016 election.
00:17:36.740 | I find this comparison very interesting,
00:17:38.500 | so I'm curious your take.
00:17:40.260 | Contrast and compare Donald Trump versus Hillary Clinton,
00:17:43.620 | what day is it today, September 9th of that election,
00:17:48.620 | and Donald Trump and Kamala Harris, September 9th, now.
00:17:53.180 | - Trump had some advantages back then
00:17:57.960 | that he doesn't have now,
00:17:59.940 | including his genuine outsider status.
00:18:03.260 | It was very attractive to a lot of voters
00:18:05.660 | who had never voted before,
00:18:07.300 | speaking of getting up off your couch.
00:18:10.020 | That really worked for him.
00:18:11.860 | And Trump was incredibly vibrant, feisty, fiery, fun,
00:18:16.860 | you know, provocative, obviously controversial,
00:18:22.060 | and new.
00:18:22.900 | You know, we all knew Trump,
00:18:24.000 | but we knew him as this crazy New York businessman
00:18:26.300 | with a lot of color,
00:18:27.260 | and suddenly he morphed onto the political field
00:18:29.260 | like unlike anything we'd ever seen.
00:18:31.980 | I mean, there was a reference to penis size
00:18:33.360 | in a presidential debate, yeah.
00:18:35.700 | I was there.
00:18:38.980 | So that happened.
00:18:40.660 | This time around, people are a little bit more used
00:18:42.940 | to Trump's bits, right, his routine.
00:18:45.420 | He's obviously a little older, but still vibrant.
00:18:48.340 | I mean, could any of you have stood
00:18:51.060 | on that presidential stage
00:18:52.200 | and given a nearly two-hour address
00:18:55.500 | a week after someone shot you in the ear?
00:18:58.580 | Like, I was falling asleep, and I was seated and fine,
00:19:01.860 | you know, I'm like, I didn't need.
00:19:03.420 | So he's got a lot of energy,
00:19:05.700 | but he's not an outsider exactly anymore.
00:19:08.060 | He is still one.
00:19:08.900 | He's not taking like all the money of these fat cats
00:19:10.660 | and ready to kiss their bottoms necessarily,
00:19:12.500 | but he's lost that.
00:19:14.420 | What he's gained is a record.
00:19:16.040 | You know, now Trump can go on this debate stage
00:19:19.020 | tomorrow night with some real ammo,
00:19:21.620 | you know, were you better off four years than you are today,
00:19:24.500 | and really point to his policies.
00:19:26.980 | One of the great tragedies of the Trump era has been
00:19:30.660 | his policies have been incredibly good for America.
00:19:35.220 | It's just his rhetoric is so interesting.
00:19:40.220 | - Toxic?
00:19:41.780 | - Depends on who you ask, right?
00:19:43.020 | Depends on who you ask.
00:19:44.020 | That he--
00:19:45.220 | - Activating.
00:19:46.060 | - That the majority of Americans dislike him.
00:19:48.340 | - And then what about Hillary versus Kamala?
00:19:51.220 | - Oh God.
00:19:52.820 | Well, Hillary was smart.
00:19:54.920 | (audience laughing)
00:19:57.920 | - They didn't hide Hillary.
00:20:03.620 | Hillary did interviews, right?
00:20:05.100 | I had this conversation just this morning.
00:20:08.900 | You can say what you want about Hillary Clinton,
00:20:10.500 | but she is incredibly competent.
00:20:12.900 | - Yeah.
00:20:13.740 | - Incredibly competent.
00:20:14.700 | - She's competent, and she could have done the job.
00:20:18.940 | How she did it and with what level of honesty and corruption
00:20:22.140 | would be a different story.
00:20:23.100 | But I really think the problem for Kamala Harris is
00:20:26.940 | she's not smart.
00:20:27.780 | She's not a deep thinker.
00:20:29.460 | She's very surface level.
00:20:31.220 | Yes, she's giggling just like that.
00:20:33.180 | The whole time. (audience laughing)
00:20:37.340 | - Spicy.
00:20:38.180 | - Megan, tell us how you feel.
00:20:41.860 | Really, be honest.
00:20:42.780 | - And it's a cover.
00:20:43.820 | It's an obvious cover, right?
00:20:45.540 | It's like she gets to the point
00:20:46.980 | where she doesn't know what she's saying.
00:20:48.020 | Even she doesn't know what she's saying,
00:20:49.460 | and it's like, ah!
00:20:50.300 | And so you feel uncomfortable watching her,
00:20:54.180 | and then she gave her first interview to CNN,
00:20:56.420 | and suddenly, if that's drunk Kamala,
00:20:58.740 | suddenly we're dealing with hungover Kamala.
00:21:02.140 | - My values haven't changed.
00:21:03.860 | Clearly somebody had told her,
00:21:06.660 | you cackle, we're out of here.
00:21:09.020 | - Yeah. (audience laughing)
00:21:10.540 | What did you think about her
00:21:11.420 | bringing her emotional support white guy?
00:21:14.340 | - Exactly.
00:21:15.260 | Her emotional support governor?
00:21:16.500 | He was her big white blankie.
00:21:17.940 | Like I used to have as a toddler.
00:21:18.780 | - I mean, it made no sense.
00:21:19.780 | It seemed like a terrible strategic decision.
00:21:21.860 | Like who's making the decision to do that?
00:21:23.460 | - I agree.
00:21:24.300 | I objected to the whole thing.
00:21:25.140 | I think he was there for two purposes.
00:21:28.420 | One was, yes, in case she got in real trouble,
00:21:30.780 | he could step in.
00:21:32.340 | And the other was to suck up some of the air time
00:21:35.180 | so she had a couple of fewer questions to answer.
00:21:38.100 | - What did you think of the job
00:21:38.940 | just broadcasted or broadcaster Dana Bash did?
00:21:41.460 | 'Cause she did ask some tough questions.
00:21:43.100 | She did probe a little bit.
00:21:44.180 | - No, no. - Not enough?
00:21:45.220 | - She did terribly.
00:21:46.180 | - Okay. (audience laughing)
00:21:49.300 | I mean, I don't think it was particularly hard, but--
00:21:51.940 | - But that was not a good job.
00:21:53.540 | - Okay, explain why.
00:21:54.380 | What would you have done differently?
00:21:55.820 | - So many things.
00:21:56.660 | Go back and listen to my podcast the day after,
00:21:58.300 | 'cause I just took it apart forensically bit by bit.
00:22:00.060 | - I mean, give us the top three here.
00:22:01.300 | - Where were the follow-up questions?
00:22:02.660 | Where were the hard-hitting follow-ups
00:22:04.220 | when she said her nonsense?
00:22:05.940 | Like, specifically how?
00:22:07.900 | What exactly caused you to change your mind?
00:22:09.900 | Walk me through the process.
00:22:11.620 | And hit her with all of them, not just a couple.
00:22:13.860 | And Tim Walz, grammar?
00:22:16.980 | The grammar excuse?
00:22:18.220 | That's why he said he carried a weapon into war?
00:22:21.420 | It was his grammar?
00:22:22.900 | What kind of BS was that?
00:22:24.740 | - And no follow-up, yeah.
00:22:25.820 | - Yes, and honestly, all it would have taken was,
00:22:28.340 | do you really want our audience to believe
00:22:30.660 | you said you took weapons into war as a soldier?
00:22:34.340 | Okay, because every actual service personnel knows
00:22:37.300 | you don't exaggerate something like that.
00:22:39.140 | That's hallowed ground.
00:22:40.500 | You don't say you went into war when you didn't.
00:22:42.140 | And he's already on the hot seat for having said,
00:22:44.220 | you know, he was a command sergeant major
00:22:46.220 | and he didn't retire as such and so on.
00:22:48.100 | Anyway, all it would have taken was,
00:22:50.380 | do you really want this audience to believe
00:22:51.740 | that was a grammatical error?
00:22:53.580 | Is that your story?
00:22:55.100 | No, none of that was done.
00:22:57.860 | And it was just irritating because there's so much
00:23:00.380 | for Kamala Harris to be cross-examined on.
00:23:02.660 | She just, she went to sleep, she was meek.
00:23:05.060 | - And the follow-up question is just,
00:23:07.140 | such an easy thing to do.
00:23:08.580 | You don't even have to say it as aggressively as you did.
00:23:10.300 | You just say, okay, so to be clear,
00:23:12.140 | let me repeat back to you.
00:23:13.260 | Grammar is the reason you said this.
00:23:15.260 | - But let me tell you something.
00:23:16.100 | Let me tell you something.
00:23:16.940 | Some aggression was warranted.
00:23:18.420 | This is the problem.
00:23:19.260 | Her timidity is part of the problem
00:23:21.940 | because I challenge anybody, go back and look.
00:23:24.980 | I did an interview with Trump in September.
00:23:27.820 | We've been through a lot, he and I.
00:23:29.420 | (audience laughing)
00:23:30.260 | - Well, yeah.
00:23:31.860 | That's an interesting relationship.
00:23:33.260 | - It's a very interesting relationship.
00:23:34.740 | And I saw him at a Turning Point event the previous August
00:23:38.220 | and I said, I'd love to sit down with you.
00:23:40.300 | He said, great, I'll do it.
00:23:41.620 | So we sat down in September of last year.
00:23:44.340 | It was a great interview.
00:23:45.300 | It was challenging.
00:23:46.620 | He was not in love with it.
00:23:47.980 | Good.
00:23:49.820 | - Which part?
00:23:50.820 | - Where I hammered him on the legal stuff.
00:23:53.500 | It had a crescendo and a decrescendo
00:23:54.940 | like every good interview should.
00:23:56.220 | You know, we started off with some stuff
00:23:57.860 | that he would like.
00:23:58.780 | Joe Biden's old, how about that?
00:24:01.020 | And then you built.
00:24:02.100 | - You warmed him up to classic strategy, right.
00:24:04.780 | - So on the legal, on the law fair.
00:24:07.260 | So Judge Mershon just moved the sentencing date
00:24:09.900 | from, I guess it was supposed to be a few days ago,
00:24:11.540 | to November 18th.
00:24:13.100 | That occurs to me that's two weeks after the election.
00:24:15.700 | So if Mershon wants to send Trump to prison
00:24:19.780 | but is afraid to do it now
00:24:21.620 | because it'd be a huge backlash for the election,
00:24:24.060 | seems to me that's kind of what you do.
00:24:25.740 | You'd set the date two weeks after.
00:24:27.740 | I mean, what's your take on that?
00:24:30.380 | Do you think--
00:24:31.220 | - If he gets elected--
00:24:32.060 | - If Trump loses the election,
00:24:32.900 | do you think he's going to Rikers?
00:24:33.860 | - No, I don't.
00:24:34.780 | - You don't think so?
00:24:35.620 | - I think there's a possibility Mershon will sentence him
00:24:37.580 | because this whole case,
00:24:39.900 | which was about him writing down something in a book
00:24:42.940 | no one ever saw.
00:24:44.100 | It was in a book that stayed on the shelf at Trump Tower.
00:24:47.180 | Didn't have the right thing.
00:24:48.620 | It didn't say hush money to Stormy Daniels.
00:24:51.620 | It said legal services.
00:24:54.460 | No one ever saw that.
00:24:55.980 | Just someone came knocking
00:24:57.060 | 'cause they wanted to mess with Trump,
00:24:58.100 | found it and said this isn't recorded accurately.
00:25:00.620 | It's a fraud and he got prosecuted.
00:25:02.980 | And I think Judge Mershon has allowed Alvin Bragg
00:25:06.980 | to turn it into you tried to steal the election
00:25:10.500 | because now guys, I'm sorry to tell you,
00:25:12.340 | but if you ever want to run for office,
00:25:13.580 | you have an ethical obligation
00:25:15.740 | to let any woman accusing you of any bad stuff
00:25:18.660 | come forward and say it to everyone.
00:25:20.700 | And if she says I won't hurt you publicly,
00:25:22.660 | whether it's true or not,
00:25:24.140 | if you just give me $130,000,
00:25:26.540 | you may not pay her or you're gonna go to jail.
00:25:29.740 | So you must let yourself be blackmailed.
00:25:31.660 | Let someone say this stuff about you, true or not,
00:25:34.220 | or you're going to prison.
00:25:35.820 | That's how that case was tried.
00:25:37.540 | That is now the position
00:25:38.660 | that every politician is in, theoretically.
00:25:41.340 | - I mean, the case made sense as a misdemeanor,
00:25:44.140 | but not as a felony.
00:25:44.980 | I think you would agree. - No, it made no sense.
00:25:46.300 | As a misdemeanor, the statute of limitations has expired.
00:25:48.540 | - Sure, but I mean, it clearly was escalated to a point,
00:25:51.380 | but I wonder how you think, as with family members,
00:25:54.260 | you know, in the, you know, that are cops,
00:25:58.620 | how you look at the other cases,
00:26:00.860 | and if you think there's any validity to them.
00:26:02.500 | 'Cause there are five cases we're talking about.
00:26:04.100 | He's guilty of the first three so far out of three.
00:26:06.540 | Some of them feel trumped up.
00:26:08.420 | But what about the last two?
00:26:09.580 | You know, the documents and the January 6th one,
00:26:11.860 | do you think there's any validity to them?
00:26:13.100 | - No, no validity.
00:26:14.380 | - Zero. - The only thing
00:26:15.860 | that Trump was potentially in trouble on,
00:26:17.580 | and the thing I hit him on when we interviewed,
00:26:19.180 | was not turning over the documents once he had a subpoena.
00:26:21.980 | - Which would have been so easy to do.
00:26:23.220 | - Yes, but-- - Which was dumb,
00:26:24.540 | but he's Trump.
00:26:25.380 | - He should have turned them over.
00:26:26.620 | - He always does self-destructive stuff.
00:26:27.860 | - But that one's gone away now, too,
00:26:29.220 | because of Jack Smith not being properly appointed
00:26:31.860 | down there, but in answer to your question on Judge Michon,
00:26:34.820 | I think he almost is in a position
00:26:38.300 | where he might have to sentence him to jail,
00:26:39.660 | given how big they've tried to make it.
00:26:41.140 | You stole an election.
00:26:42.460 | You stole, but it would be at a suspended sentence.
00:26:45.580 | It would be immediately appealed.
00:26:47.540 | And I think Trump, on appeal, will win.
00:26:50.300 | There are so many holes in that case,
00:26:51.380 | so I don't think Trump will ever do one single day in jail.
00:26:53.820 | - So, Megan, if we look at the five cases,
00:26:56.580 | you know, six months from now or a year from now,
00:26:58.260 | let's assume all five of them go to trial.
00:27:00.620 | He's guilty of three so far.
00:27:02.300 | - Wait, what do you mean he's guilty of three so far?
00:27:04.260 | What are you talking about? - Well, he's been convicted
00:27:05.100 | of three, sorry. - What do you mean?
00:27:05.940 | No, he hasn't.
00:27:07.420 | - I love his-- - The, no,
00:27:09.460 | E. Jean Carroll was guilty.
00:27:11.420 | - That was not a conviction.
00:27:12.500 | That was a civil case.
00:27:13.780 | - Well, yeah, so that's what I'm talking about.
00:27:15.060 | So that one-- - Okay, but there's
00:27:15.900 | a big difference. (audience laughing)
00:27:17.060 | - It's still he was convicted, he was guilty of that.
00:27:20.300 | You got a sentiment.
00:27:22.500 | In the, yeah, in the Trump organization,
00:27:26.140 | they're guilty there.
00:27:26.980 | - Again, with civil, liable, liable.
00:27:29.460 | - Yes, of course, but these are the cases
00:27:31.340 | we're talking about, and in the third one--
00:27:33.380 | - You don't see the lawyer, right?
00:27:34.340 | - Yeah, of course, and in the third one,
00:27:36.540 | I'm just talking about the five cases.
00:27:37.860 | Yes, some are civil, obviously,
00:27:39.260 | and some are not, some are criminal.
00:27:41.500 | But if we look at all five cases--
00:27:42.340 | - You said three convictions.
00:27:43.260 | Now you're walking it back.
00:27:44.420 | - I'm not walking it back.
00:27:45.260 | - Get it straight. - There's three
00:27:46.100 | in which he was-- - You should walk it back.
00:27:47.620 | - Okay, guys, take it easy. - I'm so glad
00:27:48.460 | Megan is here to dispel this. - Of the five,
00:27:49.740 | three of them, he's either guilty or--
00:27:52.260 | - He got a bad result.
00:27:53.420 | - Yeah, got a bad result.
00:27:54.860 | There are two more.
00:27:55.860 | If he is found guilty of those two more, Megan,
00:27:59.260 | and five of five, he had a bad result,
00:28:02.740 | way to frame it. (audience laughing)
00:28:05.140 | Will you chalk all five up, in your mind,
00:28:08.460 | to five different jurisdictions,
00:28:10.020 | five different prosecutors,
00:28:11.740 | five different juries and/or judges,
00:28:13.820 | all conspiring to get him?
00:28:16.460 | - 100%, yes. - Okay, great.
00:28:18.940 | That's all I wanted to hear your answer to.
00:28:20.900 | Five of five, five different jurisdictions,
00:28:23.060 | you think it's all lawfare. - Yeah, I mean,
00:28:23.900 | E. Jean Carroll, they changed the law
00:28:25.420 | so that she could bring a civil lawsuit against him,
00:28:27.180 | and she did.
00:28:28.020 | New York went 87% for Joe Biden.
00:28:31.220 | That fix was in right from the start.
00:28:33.620 | The fraud trial that Letitia James brought against him
00:28:35.940 | has never been brought.
00:28:37.020 | There's no victims.
00:28:37.860 | The banks who were involved said, "We didn't lose a penny.
00:28:39.700 | "What are we doing here?
00:28:40.540 | "We weren't damaged."
00:28:41.580 | Nobody was complaining except Tish James,
00:28:43.380 | who ran for office saying, "I will get him."
00:28:46.420 | Then you have Alvin Bragg,
00:28:47.540 | who's a George Soros-funded prosecutor
00:28:49.260 | who doesn't like to prosecute any crime in New York City
00:28:51.260 | where I lived for 17 years,
00:28:52.620 | except if your name is Donald Trump.
00:28:54.300 | Let's go down to Georgia,
00:28:55.340 | where Fannie Willis and Nathan Wade
00:28:56.780 | couldn't keep their libidos in check long enough
00:28:58.740 | to actually bring this case against Donald Trump.
00:29:01.980 | It's a repeat of what was happening in January 6th,
00:29:04.740 | up in the case with Judge Chutkin,
00:29:06.620 | who loathes Trump and has sentenced
00:29:08.100 | almost every J6 defendant to way more jail time
00:29:11.060 | than their counterparts would get.
00:29:12.500 | Those are falling apart because of presidential immunity,
00:29:14.740 | which was handed down by the Supreme Court,
00:29:16.140 | who said, "You cannot bring a criminal case
00:29:18.580 | "against a sitting president for any official act."
00:29:21.260 | Those cases have been gutted,
00:29:22.780 | also a Supreme Court ruling saying the same
00:29:24.940 | on January 6th defendants in general.
00:29:26.740 | And that leaves us with Florida and the documents.
00:29:29.220 | And Trump has torn that apart
00:29:31.180 | because Jack Smith wasn't properly appointed
00:29:32.900 | and isn't the right counsel,
00:29:34.460 | but there are other issues they haven't even gotten
00:29:36.260 | to presidential immunity there,
00:29:37.900 | and so that one's going nowhere as well.
00:29:40.660 | And by the way, they're gonna peel it up
00:29:42.020 | to the 11th Circuit.
00:29:42.860 | She just threw it out.
00:29:43.780 | The 11th Circuit is conservative,
00:29:45.020 | and thank God so is the current Supreme Court.
00:29:46.980 | They're not gonna tolerate that nonsense.
00:29:48.300 | - Let me ask you about--
00:29:49.140 | (audience applauding)
00:29:52.300 | - I think--
00:29:55.220 | - Let me just ask you--
00:29:56.980 | - I think Jay Cowell just lost his right
00:29:58.740 | to ever bring up lawfare again.
00:30:00.420 | (audience laughing)
00:30:01.700 | - No, we're here to--
00:30:02.540 | - We're done with your bullshit, it's over.
00:30:04.500 | - I didn't give--
00:30:05.340 | (audience laughing)
00:30:06.300 | We're not here to hear my opinion.
00:30:07.660 | I didn't give my opinion.
00:30:08.700 | I wanted my--
00:30:09.540 | - Let's talk about the Democratic Party
00:30:11.980 | and the Republican Party 2028, post all of this, okay?
00:30:16.980 | I suspect because of your influence,
00:30:21.700 | so tell me if this is not even true,
00:30:22.860 | but up-and-coming folks are probably trying
00:30:25.140 | to meet you all the time
00:30:25.980 | because they wanna build a relationship,
00:30:28.300 | build a rapport so that when it's time
00:30:29.780 | for them to get interviewed or whatever,
00:30:32.660 | there's a, so you must see a lot of people.
00:30:35.820 | Just give us a state of politicians
00:30:38.700 | post this current batch.
00:30:41.580 | What is the same, what's different?
00:30:42.420 | - I don't feel very optimistic.
00:30:43.700 | - Okay, is it getting worse?
00:30:45.700 | - Yeah, it's getting worse because of Instagram and AOC,
00:30:48.700 | that kind of person.
00:30:49.620 | (audience laughing)
00:30:50.940 | Yes, her specifically, but not just her.
00:30:52.980 | - Say more.
00:30:55.540 | (audience laughing)
00:30:58.260 | - These are congressional Kardashians.
00:31:00.500 | (audience laughing)
00:31:03.500 | Can I tell you something?
00:31:07.420 | My experience in the news business,
00:31:08.900 | dealing with politicians leads me to believe
00:31:10.540 | that the people in this room and on this stage
00:31:13.060 | over your two-day conference
00:31:14.140 | are the people we need to be looking to
00:31:15.500 | for our future leaders and ideas and to save the country.
00:31:18.700 | (audience applauding)
00:31:19.540 | It's not Washington, D.C.
00:31:21.940 | All the incentives to be a good person are gone.
00:31:24.940 | It's not that there aren't any good ones.
00:31:26.620 | There definitely are, and there's some true patriots
00:31:29.500 | who are still trying to serve and even--
00:31:31.020 | - Who are two people, just on either side
00:31:33.460 | that you would just tell us to look out for,
00:31:36.100 | or even they are already doing the job
00:31:38.020 | where you say these two people are like good people?
00:31:40.620 | (laughing)
00:31:44.380 | - You should play the little "Jeopardy" music right now.
00:31:47.140 | (audience laughing)
00:31:48.660 | No one's coming to mind off the top of my head,
00:31:50.500 | but I know that there are some.
00:31:52.640 | Look, I like Rand Paul.
00:31:55.520 | (audience applauding)
00:31:56.360 | I think Rand Paul's a good and honest man.
00:31:58.540 | - Don't run a giant deficit.
00:31:59.980 | It's not a bad boy.
00:32:00.820 | - I mean, all of them lie,
00:32:02.180 | so I'm not trying to excuse all of that.
00:32:04.060 | They all do.
00:32:05.580 | But if you watch people long enough,
00:32:08.060 | you find the ones that stand up for the right issues
00:32:10.420 | and seem to have some integrity,
00:32:13.780 | that's one that comes to mind.
00:32:15.260 | There used to be a day where they would reach
00:32:18.620 | across the aisle, and they actually weren't just there
00:32:21.140 | for clicks or to make themselves famous.
00:32:23.980 | And those days are few and far between now.
00:32:27.460 | I just think with, look, I supported
00:32:29.740 | the Supreme Court's decision in Citizen United,
00:32:31.460 | and I think big money in politics was always gonna happen,
00:32:33.900 | but it's corrupted the system in a way that,
00:32:36.660 | you know, most politicians only have to answer
00:32:38.500 | to their one group of big donors
00:32:40.740 | or their one small constituency
00:32:42.100 | and their one very red or very blue town.
00:32:44.340 | And there's no more incentive to compromise.
00:32:46.580 | There's only incentive to get reelected,
00:32:48.540 | which is one of the frustrations we have.
00:32:49.860 | And we watch Washington, nothing gets done,
00:32:52.460 | or a size of relief in this Congress
00:32:55.500 | where we watch Washington and nothing gets done, right?
00:32:58.460 | Right now, I'm all about going back
00:33:01.100 | to the original founding version of this country
00:33:03.180 | where government was as small as possible,
00:33:05.260 | the presidency was as small as possible,
00:33:07.500 | and these people do as little as humanly possible
00:33:10.220 | while they're in office.
00:33:11.060 | - I feel, Megan, I feel like someone should do
00:33:13.700 | like a modern-day recap of the Federalist Papers,
00:33:16.940 | like an understanding of the basis
00:33:20.340 | of the foundation of the republic,
00:33:21.740 | like what were the founding philosophies,
00:33:24.260 | and then understanding how far astray we've gone.
00:33:27.500 | But let me ask you a question.
00:33:28.500 | What constitutional amendments would you pass
00:33:31.300 | to fix the incentive problems?
00:33:32.740 | If you could have your druthers
00:33:34.020 | pass any constitutional amendment or two,
00:33:36.820 | what would they be to address the incentive issue
00:33:39.580 | that's causing a lot of the integrity and misalignment?
00:33:42.540 | - I don't think it starts like that.
00:33:44.300 | I think it is, just like Kamala Harris's choice
00:33:47.540 | as Biden's replacement, it's bottom-up, it's bottom-up.
00:33:51.500 | That's the lie, remember they told us,
00:33:52.860 | Chuck Schumer, it's bottom-up, the people chose her.
00:33:56.020 | Literally nobody's voted for her to be the nominee.
00:33:58.540 | I think this one does have to be bottom-up.
00:34:01.380 | Like if we're gonna change the way we elect politicians
00:34:04.300 | and the way we govern ourselves,
00:34:05.980 | it's so much more complex
00:34:08.860 | than just what laws are written down.
00:34:11.540 | And tech has a lot to do with it.
00:34:14.060 | How divided we are, how disconnected we are,
00:34:16.340 | how lonely we are.
00:34:18.420 | I mean, right now the latest strain
00:34:20.700 | of the argument is interesting,
00:34:21.700 | which is all the processed foods are making us weird
00:34:24.660 | and unhealthy and dying and dividing people further
00:34:28.340 | because it's driving our hormones nuts
00:34:30.500 | and our behavior is getting weirder.
00:34:32.700 | - And obese.
00:34:33.540 | - Yeah, and obesity.
00:34:34.860 | So I mean, there's just a lot we need to reconsider
00:34:37.780 | about the way we're living.
00:34:39.420 | And I do think one of the main things
00:34:40.660 | is we need to see each other again.
00:34:42.100 | We need to like look at each other in the eye
00:34:45.060 | across the table.
00:34:46.780 | We need to ban our kids from playing on the devices
00:34:49.100 | when they get together for playdates.
00:34:51.220 | We must insist that they play outside without any devices
00:34:53.860 | and actually connect with nature.
00:34:55.140 | We must make sure that they do the same.
00:34:57.300 | We must get out of the coastal cities
00:34:59.940 | and go to fly over country and go to a rodeo in Montana.
00:35:03.140 | Something like that.
00:35:03.980 | (audience applauding)
00:35:06.460 | We have to start loving our country again.
00:35:08.360 | That's a huge piece of it.
00:35:09.860 | And that again is community.
00:35:11.580 | Speaking of rodeo in Montana, we go out there.
00:35:14.220 | We have a little ski cabin there, which we love.
00:35:16.580 | And we went in the summer, brought our kids to a rodeo.
00:35:19.300 | They started playing the national anthem.
00:35:21.580 | And my little guy at the time was like five.
00:35:24.020 | And he was a little slow to get up, right?
00:35:26.060 | Like he knows to get up, but he was like five.
00:35:28.700 | And there's this old cowboy sitting right behind us
00:35:31.420 | with the big hat and the jeans and the belt.
00:35:33.700 | And he goes, "Boy, you better get on your feet."
00:35:37.740 | And my son was like, "Oh shit, yes sir."
00:35:40.620 | That was me.
00:35:41.660 | But I was like right on.
00:35:42.700 | - That's great.
00:35:43.540 | - Right on, that's what we need, right?
00:35:44.820 | Like more of that and more of looking out for one another,
00:35:47.900 | not with forced taxes and through the eyeballs
00:35:50.500 | and all that nonsense.
00:35:51.500 | But like your neighbor's sick, go make him a casserole.
00:35:54.420 | Your older neighbor is housebound, go mow her lawn.
00:35:58.660 | That is the stuff that used to make us us.
00:36:02.140 | And as we just retreat into our devices
00:36:05.020 | and our television screens and all of it,
00:36:07.460 | we lose that and we lose us.
00:36:10.260 | - All right, well said.
00:36:11.660 | Ladies and gentlemen, Megyn Kelly.
00:36:13.300 | (audience applauding)
00:36:15.940 | - Thank you.
00:36:16.900 | - Whoa, standing out.
00:36:18.820 | That was awesome.
00:36:19.980 | - Really awesome.
00:36:21.320 | (upbeat music)
00:36:23.900 | (audience applauding)
00:36:27.060 | (upbeat music)
00:36:29.640 | you