Vsauce: What Does it Mean to Be Intelligent? | AI Podcast Clip with Michael Stevens
00:00:00.000 | - Let's jump back to it, artificial intelligence.
00:00:04.080 | What's your thought of the state of where we are at
00:00:06.960 | currently with artificial intelligence?
00:00:08.720 | And what do you think it takes to build human level
00:00:11.680 | or superhuman level intelligence?
00:00:13.740 | - I don't know what intelligence means.
00:00:16.200 | That's my biggest question at the moment.
00:00:18.620 | And I think it's 'cause my instinct is always to go,
00:00:20.840 | well, what are the foundations here of our discussion?
00:00:23.760 | What does it mean to be intelligent?
00:00:26.840 | How do we measure the intelligence
00:00:28.680 | of an artificial machine or a program or something?
00:00:33.240 | - Can we say that humans are intelligent?
00:00:35.640 | Because there's also a fascinating field
00:00:38.360 | of how do you measure human intelligence?
00:00:40.040 | - Of course.
00:00:41.160 | - But if we just take that for granted,
00:00:42.840 | saying that whatever this fuzzy intelligence thing
00:00:45.800 | we're talking about, humans kind of have it.
00:00:48.000 | What would be a good test for you?
00:00:52.440 | So Turing developed a test
00:00:54.120 | that's natural language conversation.
00:00:56.200 | Would that impress you?
00:00:57.360 | A chat bot that you'd want to hang out
00:00:59.120 | and have a beer with for a bunch of hours
00:01:02.360 | or have dinner plans with.
00:01:04.120 | Is that a good test, natural language conversation?
00:01:05.960 | Is there something else that would impress you?
00:01:08.000 | Or is that also too difficult to think about?
00:01:09.400 | - Oh yeah, I'm pretty much impressed by everything.
00:01:11.600 | I think that if-
00:01:13.480 | - Roomba?
00:01:14.480 | - If there was a chat bot that was like incredibly,
00:01:17.900 | I don't know, really had a personality.
00:01:20.200 | And if I didn't, the Turing test, right?
00:01:23.680 | Like if I'm unable to tell that it's not another person,
00:01:28.680 | but then I was shown a bunch of wires
00:01:32.320 | and mechanical components,
00:01:34.840 | and it was like, that's actually what you're talking to.
00:01:38.440 | I don't know if I would feel that guilty destroying it.
00:01:42.200 | I would feel guilty because clearly it's well-made
00:01:45.000 | and it's a really cool thing.
00:01:46.820 | It's like destroying a really cool car or something.
00:01:49.560 | But I would not feel like I was a murderer.
00:01:52.040 | So yeah, at what point would I start to feel that way?
00:01:54.560 | And this is such a subjective psychological question.
00:01:58.440 | If you give it movement,
00:02:00.760 | or if you have it act as though,
00:02:04.360 | or perhaps really feel pain as I destroy it
00:02:07.600 | and scream and resist, then I'd feel bad.
00:02:11.400 | - Yeah, it's beautifully put.
00:02:12.440 | And let's just say act like it's a pain.
00:02:16.280 | So if you just have a robot that not screams,
00:02:21.400 | just like moans in pain, if you kick it,
00:02:24.200 | that immediately just puts it in a class that we humans,
00:02:28.640 | it becomes, it anthropomorphizes it.
00:02:31.040 | It almost immediately becomes human.
00:02:33.680 | So that's a psychology question
00:02:35.120 | as opposed to sort of a physics question.
00:02:36.720 | - Right, I think that's a really good instinct to have.
00:02:38.880 | If the robot-
00:02:39.840 | - Screams?
00:02:42.360 | - Screams and moans,
00:02:44.200 | even if you don't believe that it has the mental experience,
00:02:48.440 | the qualia of pain and suffering,
00:02:51.080 | I think it's still a good instinct to say,
00:02:52.560 | you know what, I'd rather not hurt it.
00:02:55.760 | - The problem is that instinct can get us in trouble
00:02:58.360 | because then robots can manipulate that.
00:03:01.360 | And there's different kinds of robots.
00:03:04.040 | There's robots like the Facebook and the YouTube algorithm
00:03:06.440 | that recommends the video,
00:03:07.720 | and they can manipulate it in the same kind of way.
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