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00:01:34.640 | Hello, and welcome to another episode of all the hacks show about upgrading your

00:01:43.680 | life, money, travel, all while spending less, saving more.

00:01:47.040 | I'm Chris Hutchins, and I am so excited to have you here.

00:01:50.000 | Okay.

00:01:51.000 | So today's conversation is going to be really fantastic because I'm talking

00:01:54.680 | with Carrie Walsh Jennings, who is widely regarded as the greatest female beach

00:01:58.680 | volleyball player of all time.

00:02:00.000 | She holds the beach volleyball record for most Olympic medals, three gold and a

00:02:03.920 | bronze, most career victories, and has the highest earnings of any female player.

00:02:08.200 | She's been a pro for over 20 years.

00:02:10.560 | She's won three world championships.

00:02:12.280 | She's played in over 250 tournaments in 30 countries.

00:02:15.240 | And while she's still competing, she and her husband, Casey, also a pro volleyball

00:02:19.520 | player started P1440 in 2018, which is a digital platform exclusively built around

00:02:25.720 | the sport and culture of beach volleyball.

00:02:27.360 | Honestly, I'm a bit intimidated here, but I'm also really excited.

00:02:31.440 | I know it'll be a great conversation, so let's jump in.

00:02:34.600 | Carrie, thank you for being here.

00:02:38.640 | You nailed that intro.

00:02:40.480 | High fives to you, Chris.

00:02:42.040 | That's a good, that's a really good start.

00:02:43.400 | And obviously there's no need to be intimidated.

00:02:45.200 | I think in person, that might make more sense because I'm so big, but not, not

00:02:48.960 | by a zoo.

00:02:49.520 | Yeah.

00:02:50.040 | Well, when we met, I think it was about 2018 as well.

00:02:53.600 | We were at a conference.

00:02:54.520 | I believe you were drinking some type of mushroom tea.

00:02:57.160 | Does that sound right?

00:02:58.040 | Probably.

00:02:58.640 | Probably stigmatic lion's mane or something to get my brain going.

00:03:03.920 | Yeah.

00:03:04.280 | I would say most people would find that an unusual beverage choice.

00:03:07.280 | What do you hang out with?

00:03:08.880 | That's all my, that's all my friends drink.

00:03:11.400 | Yeah.

00:03:12.000 | And is that, would you put yourself in the category of people who like to experiment

00:03:16.160 | with interesting things that might improve your mind and your health?

00:03:19.000 | Oh yeah.

00:03:20.240 | Chris, I, a similar to you, like I am on this, this mission for self optimization,

00:03:25.880 | self mastery.

00:03:26.640 | Like I want to feel so good in my days and I'm very sensitive when I'm not feeling

00:03:31.080 | good as an athlete.

00:03:32.080 | We're so trained to suck it up and carry on and go through walls and my shoulder's

00:03:36.640 | falling off, but I'm going to keep playing.

00:03:38.040 | But as a human, a, that's just not sustainable.

00:03:41.120 | I think it's admirable to a certain extent, but I think it's kind of dumb too.

00:03:43.880 | But as a human, I just, I want to live a long life and I want to feel good in my

00:03:47.520 | life.

00:03:47.800 | And so when it comes time to wellness and nutrition and, and these things that I

00:03:51.800 | can lean on to better optimize my system and therefore my energy and therefore my

00:03:55.760 | mood and therefore our relationships, I'm, I'm like all in.

00:03:59.040 | And so, yeah, I follow a lot of people on social media.

00:04:01.680 | I listened to a lot of podcasts and everything I kind of digest is to help me

00:04:07.240 | improve my life.

00:04:07.840 | Wow.

00:04:08.520 | Okay.

00:04:08.960 | So I definitely want to make sure we spend some time in this conversation about some

00:04:11.960 | of those things, but I want to go back to some of the early days first.

00:04:16.360 | So I know you grew up in a family of sports, your dad played baseball,

00:04:19.800 | basketball, your mom played volleyball.

00:04:21.640 | Do you think you ever expected to be the pro athlete you became?

00:04:26.000 | I expected to be a pro athlete, like 100%.

00:04:29.320 | My first big dream was to be the first female pitcher in the major leagues that

00:04:33.920 | didn't work out.

00:04:34.520 | You know, I played, I played baseball with my brother and my dad as a coach until I

00:04:38.600 | was 14.

00:04:39.280 | I love baseball so much.

00:04:40.760 | And then my second dream was to be the first female player in the NBA didn't work

00:04:45.280 | out, but I love basketball.

00:04:46.560 | I played throughout high school.

00:04:47.560 | And then when I found volleyball, I just knew I wanted to play it as long as I

00:04:50.640 | could.

00:04:50.920 | And so I think growing up in the family that I did, I knew I wanted to compete.

00:04:55.120 | I knew I wanted to be physical and I had no idea it would be beach volleyball.

00:04:58.600 | Certainly.

00:04:59.040 | David Epstein wrote this book range recently about how generalists are

00:05:03.120 | successful.

00:05:03.880 | And he compared Federer and Tiger Woods and Tiger Woods was all golf all the time.

00:05:09.440 | And Federer's parent, mom, I think was a, was a tennis player.

00:05:12.680 | And she was like, no, you got to play other sports.

00:05:14.800 | Do you think that generalist approach you had as a, as a kid playing different

00:05:19.280 | sports helped with volleyball?

00:05:20.760 | Oh my gosh.

00:05:21.960 | Yes.

00:05:22.360 | Range is like one of the most valuable things you can have because then you just

00:05:25.880 | add more, more tools to your toolkit.

00:05:27.680 | When you're challenging yourself in different sports, it's not just your body

00:05:30.400 | that's being challenged.

00:05:31.200 | It's your nervous system.

00:05:32.120 | It's your thinking.

00:05:32.800 | It's your problem solving.

00:05:33.760 | It's the way to navigate what's in front of you.

00:05:36.160 | And yes, absolutely.

00:05:37.600 | And I talked to so many parents and athletes today, Chris, who are like their

00:05:41.120 | kids are being almost forced to make a decision when they're 10 years old.

00:05:44.960 | What sport do you want to do forever?

00:05:47.200 | And what position in the sport?

00:05:48.680 | So it's Tiger Woods is the unicorn of all unicorns.

00:05:51.600 | He started when he was three.

00:05:52.720 | I love that book, by the way, it's an amazing book.

00:05:54.640 | Tiger, he's the anomaly.

00:05:55.880 | And I think for the broader range, big picture scope of life, developing range

00:06:00.320 | by playing multiple sports, by playing in a band, by being in Bay club, whatever

00:06:03.520 | it is, developing range, because you try new and different things is just

00:06:06.800 | essential.

00:06:07.360 | And for me, I think that's one of the big reasons why I'm still going because I

00:06:10.320 | train that way.

00:06:11.120 | I'm not just I'm not a linear person.

00:06:13.040 | I'm always curious.

00:06:13.920 | My trainers are very curious and they're very leading edge, but very traditional

00:06:17.200 | as well.

00:06:17.920 | And so I'm always being challenged in different ways.

00:06:20.080 | And my competency and capabilities just keep expanding.

00:06:22.800 | If I think back to your childhood and mine being different, so many parents,

00:06:28.160 | non-athletes, they're grinding and hustling every day at work.

00:06:32.160 | But I think it's unusual for them to bring that home and their kids don't

00:06:36.080 | actually see that hustle, that ambition, because it stays at the office.

00:06:40.080 | Yeah.

00:06:40.480 | And with your parents being athletes, there was no way to hide it.

00:06:43.280 | Did that have a huge impact on you?

00:06:45.680 | And and does that have an impact on your kids?

00:06:48.080 | Oh, my gosh.

00:06:49.200 | I love that you you you mentioned that because I swear to God, like one of the

00:06:53.040 | best gifts my parents have ever given me outside of their committed, loving

00:06:56.320 | relationship for over 40 years and being very present in my life is the fact that

00:06:59.920 | I got to witness them competing with all of their hearts and all of their joys

00:07:05.440 | and all of their misery.

00:07:06.480 | Like my brother and I and I have two little sisters.

00:07:09.520 | We just we were with them competing all the time, running around the softball

00:07:13.520 | fields and the bowling leagues and volleyball games and basketball.

00:07:16.560 | Like my parents are intense competitors and the whole family would compete

00:07:20.720 | together.

00:07:21.120 | They played on the softball team called Family Feud and my mom's one of eight.

00:07:24.560 | So it was all the siblings and then all of the in-laws.

00:07:27.360 | And it wasn't they never lost.

00:07:28.880 | And there would be fistfights.

00:07:30.480 | There would be, you know, shit talking.

00:07:32.800 | There would be like everything that's the best and the worst in sports happened.

00:07:36.560 | And I got to witness it.

00:07:38.000 | And then we talk about it.

00:07:39.280 | I'd hear my parents debriefing on the game.

00:07:41.440 | And we go to pizza after they get pizza and beers.

00:07:43.440 | And I'd be listening to the stories they told.

00:07:46.080 | And it just it got wired.

00:07:48.080 | It's in my DNA already, but it got wired in my consciousness.

00:07:51.520 | Like competition is so fun when it's just even when it's hard.

00:07:55.680 | It's so fun.

00:07:56.320 | So to me, that's one of the best gifts they ever gave me.

00:07:58.720 | Absolutely.

00:07:59.600 | Do you think there's a way that someone who's not a pro athlete who has a traditional nine

00:08:03.680 | to five office job can bring that home to their family as well?

00:08:06.960 | Because I know so many people who are so ambitious and competitive in work,

00:08:10.960 | but I don't think their kids ever see that.

00:08:13.840 | Yeah, I think I don't I don't know because I haven't lived that life yet.

00:08:18.320 | You know, the nine to five into more traditional job.

00:08:20.720 | If I'm fired up about something, whether it's a Zoom call or work I'm doing for 1440,

00:08:25.440 | even though it's not competition, if I'm fired up, I bring that home.

00:08:28.320 | And I talk to my kids about if I have a hard day, I talk to him about if I have a problem,

00:08:32.240 | I talk to him about it.

00:08:33.200 | And because part of my process is speaking things out loud.

00:08:35.760 | You know, and my kids are geniuses.

00:08:37.120 | So I lean on their wisdom and my husband as well.

00:08:39.040 | And so I think one of the beautiful things we do in our family is that we share a lot.

00:08:43.360 | We're really emotional humans.

00:08:44.720 | So there's ups and downs and everything that we do and our kids are involved.

00:08:48.400 | So if I have a great day at 1440, we had a new hire and we're kicking butt.

00:08:52.080 | We just pivoted out of this tough situation.

00:08:54.400 | They get fired up for me.

00:08:55.600 | So I share it.

00:08:56.400 | I think it's really important not only to celebrate the little wins,

00:08:59.280 | even if it might seem part of the mundane part of your life.

00:09:02.720 | I just think it's important because you're choosing to spend time doing it.

00:09:05.920 | And so I think if you can bring enthusiasm and bring that to your family, that's valuable.

00:09:10.640 | It's a win.

00:09:11.120 | A win is a win.

00:09:11.840 | It doesn't matter what uniform you're wearing or not.

00:09:14.000 | Yeah, my daughter's only 16 months.

00:09:16.080 | But I talked to Sunil Gupta, who wrote this book, Backable.

00:09:18.640 | And he said, before you do a pitch at work, practice.

00:09:21.200 | And he's like, practice in front of your kids.

00:09:22.720 | And I feel like there's this big, ultimate kind of hack for your children,

00:09:26.640 | which is just show them the ambition and the hustle that you have,

00:09:30.160 | even if it's at the office.

00:09:31.280 | There's so many people that say leave work at home.

00:09:32.960 | You can leave some of work at home, but bring home part of it and show your kids

00:09:37.760 | how passionate you are about things or if they're side projects as well.

00:09:41.120 | Totally.

00:09:42.320 | I think that's so important.

00:09:43.520 | A, I think it's just important to engage.

00:09:45.680 | And your work life is a huge part of your life.

00:09:48.080 | And so not that you want to bring everything home.

00:09:50.000 | But yeah, I think it's important to share what's going on in your office with your family,

00:09:54.000 | because it's going to give them a better picture of who you are, what you're going through.

00:09:57.680 | And that brings compassion and a kick in the butt if needed and a high five if needed.

00:10:02.560 | So it's all good stuff.

00:10:03.760 | Younger generations today.

00:10:05.200 | So if I was a young person or a young woman wanting to play beach volleyball,

00:10:09.280 | they have you to look up to, right?

00:10:10.880 | You created this career, massive career.

00:10:14.400 | But I don't think, my record in the 90s,

00:10:17.360 | beach volleyball was not a lucrative career.

00:10:19.680 | Financially, by any means.

00:10:21.440 | How did you push through that and forge a path with no one like yourself to look up to?

00:10:27.680 | Well, you know, I fancy myself an athlete.

00:10:31.200 | You know, I mean, I know I'm a woman.

00:10:33.120 | I know that I have that label.

00:10:34.960 | But I just, there were definitely pioneers before me is what I'm trying to say.

00:10:38.240 | You know, if you know beach volleyball or volleyball, you know,

00:10:40.560 | Karch Karai, three-time gold medalist, Mike Dodd, Mike Whitmarsh.

00:10:44.000 | Like there were pioneers before me that made a great living,

00:10:47.200 | that were Olympians, that did amazingly internationally and domestically,

00:10:51.440 | and had this beautiful career.

00:10:52.640 | So even though they weren't women doing this, I had those role models.

00:10:56.080 | And that's a big gift.

00:10:57.440 | And then when I came out to the beach in 2001,

00:11:01.200 | after I left Stanford in my first Olympics and paired up with Misty,

00:11:04.640 | it was just like lightning in a bottle.

00:11:06.160 | Like the perfect storm with regard to timing,

00:11:08.560 | partnership, kind of the shift in culture where

00:11:11.520 | female athletes were being a little bit more celebrated and honored.

00:11:14.960 | And Misty and I dominated.

00:11:16.320 | And so I feel like just the fact that I always just wanted to be

00:11:19.840 | an athlete for athletes' sake, not labeled anyway,

00:11:22.560 | I think I just see inspiration in everything.

00:11:24.400 | And that's how I'm wired anyway.

00:11:25.600 | So if a boy is doing it just because I'm a girl,

00:11:27.280 | I'm not thinking I can't do that.

00:11:28.480 | Something that was a little bit harder was when I wanted to have kids.

00:11:31.600 | And not a lot of professional female athletes did that while they're still competing.

00:11:35.200 | And so that was something a little bit different, but my mom showed me.

00:11:39.200 | You know, my mom had eight kids.

00:11:40.320 | She carried triplets for her sister.

00:11:42.240 | She was playing softball, like diving,

00:11:44.800 | sliding in the third base while she was pregnant, having a kick-ass job,

00:11:49.360 | selling real estate, being very present with my father,

00:11:51.680 | and making it and having four kids of her own.

00:11:54.000 | You know, so I saw that in action.

00:11:56.000 | And I've just, I've been so blessed to have these authentic role models,

00:12:00.080 | people who lead themselves first, who follow their passions,

00:12:03.120 | and they align their passions with their personal lives,

00:12:05.360 | with their families and their relationships.

00:12:07.280 | So it's been, I've been very blessed in that way.

00:12:09.520 | Yeah, I've heard a lot of people talk about kind of the finances of beach volleyball, right?

00:12:14.720 | Professional beach volleyball players are not making what pro NFL players

00:12:20.800 | and basketball players are making.

00:12:22.960 | How did that factor in early on?

00:12:25.920 | I imagine, I heard you say once you were on the indoor national team

00:12:29.280 | and you're making like $1,000 a month.

00:12:31.360 | Did you need side hustles?

00:12:33.520 | Like, how do you make the bills?

00:12:35.440 | How do the bills get paid?

00:12:36.480 | How do you make ends meet?

00:12:37.360 | How do you pay for trainers in a career where it's not as lucrative as other sports?

00:12:43.040 | It's, this is such a long conversation.

00:12:44.800 | You know, when I was playing indoor volleyball on the indoor team,

00:12:48.480 | making $1,000 a month, I got a raise to $1,200 and I was stoked.

00:12:52.160 | But when you're on the indoor team, they pay for housing, they pay for travel,

00:12:55.840 | your coaches are paid for.

00:12:56.880 | So that's all in one little kit.

00:12:58.560 | So I was broke, but I didn't have anywhere to spend money.

00:13:00.880 | And I lived in Colorado Springs,

00:13:02.560 | where like a fun Friday night was going to Walmart and like walking the aisles.

00:13:06.800 | So I didn't, and I just wanted to win.

00:13:08.720 | You know, I was just focused on training and my life was very simple,

00:13:11.280 | not to disrespect Walmart or Colorado Springs, because I loved it.

00:13:14.080 | But beach volleyball, it's, you pay to work, basically.

00:13:17.280 | We train Monday through Friday, you play on the weekends,

00:13:20.720 | you pay Monday through Friday for your coaches,

00:13:23.120 | for your strength coach, for your nutritionist, whatever you have.

00:13:25.920 | And then on the weekends, you're hoping to recoup that money by your prize money.

00:13:30.080 | And I can name probably maybe 10 athletes around the world

00:13:34.640 | that can only do beach volleyball and have it be their living.

00:13:37.680 | And it's not because of prize money, it's because of endorsement deals.

00:13:40.240 | But the endorsement deals on the same time

00:13:42.400 | compared to other sports are just pennies to the dollar on the dollar.

00:13:46.080 | And that's something with through 1440, my company, and just through my life,

00:13:50.000 | like I really want to elevate the marketplace for volleyball in general,

00:13:52.880 | not just beach, but indoor as well, because the sport is so wonderful.

00:13:56.000 | The lifestyle is incredible.

00:13:57.200 | It's so sexy.

00:13:58.000 | It's family.

00:13:58.880 | It's dynamic.

00:13:59.600 | It's finesse.

00:14:00.160 | It's everything.

00:14:00.720 | But for some reason, the marketplace hasn't really

00:14:03.360 | aligned to us where the number one Olympic sport,

00:14:05.760 | indoor and beach combined every four years, it gets the highest ratings.

00:14:10.000 | So once every four years, we are the best thing in the world and then we go away.

00:14:13.920 | But for me, I think winning led to more opportunities.

00:14:16.560 | I have a lot of side hustles.

00:14:18.240 | I am an athlete.

00:14:19.360 | I do speaking engagements.

00:14:20.800 | I have my endorsements.

00:14:22.240 | So photo shoots, all these different obligations,

00:14:24.480 | media obligations that I have that bring in the money.

00:14:27.360 | And for me, as I go, I just want to keep opening more doors to revenue in my life.

00:14:32.480 | I don't want just one.

00:14:33.600 | Not that that's wrong, but I just I want more diversity in my life.

00:14:37.200 | I can't do anything every day.

00:14:38.800 | I'd fade away.

00:14:39.920 | So I like diversity in my life and my money making opportunities.

00:14:42.560 | And so that's what I'm encouraging and inviting in my life is more revenue streams coming in.

00:14:46.880 | Yeah.

00:14:47.280 | It's a theme I see now is lots of people wanting lots of different side hustles.

00:14:51.440 | Were there any side hustles early on when you

00:14:53.760 | didn't have your endorsement deals that were fun and good to share?

00:14:57.200 | I had two jobs early on.

00:14:59.120 | And then at some point, my endorsement deals picked up.

00:15:01.200 | But I was a dog walker for about maybe maybe three months, maybe six.

00:15:05.760 | But it was so stressful.

00:15:07.120 | The woman I took over for, she got hurt on the job.

00:15:11.840 | She was walking two of that.

00:15:13.280 | One of the dogs that were the like the Swiss Alps.

00:15:16.640 | They're huge dogs.

00:15:17.680 | Bernese Mountain dogs.

00:15:18.720 | Yes, I think so.

00:15:19.680 | So two ginormous ones.

00:15:20.800 | Right.

00:15:21.120 | And she's walking them and a cross crosses a cat crosses the alley.

00:15:24.800 | They take off and drag her.

00:15:26.160 | And she tore both ACLs.

00:15:28.000 | And I was like, I'm an athlete.

00:15:30.320 | This is what I'm walking into.

00:15:31.600 | What am I doing?

00:15:32.640 | So that was one job, but it paid well.

00:15:34.480 | People pay a lot of money for their pets.

00:15:36.480 | And then I worked in a kid's shoe store.

00:15:38.880 | And it wasn't necessarily for the money, even though I needed money because I live very simply.

00:15:42.640 | But it was just I needed something to do.

00:15:45.120 | And I need to contribute in my life and be with people.

00:15:47.840 | So those are the two solutions I had.

00:15:50.000 | And then obviously, camps and clinics and coaching.

00:15:52.240 | I've done a fair amount of that.

00:15:53.840 | But I'm glad those days are over, really.

00:15:56.000 | Yeah, I love how resourceful you were.

00:15:57.840 | And I also love that dog walking is stressful when you're also

00:16:01.200 | an Olympian who's played on the world stage.

00:16:03.600 | Well, I only had, I think, two Olympics under my belt at that point.

00:16:07.040 | So I was a rookie.

00:16:08.240 | But no, you know, it's like, my God, these uncontrollable animals.

00:16:12.240 | I do have a fun Olympics question.

00:16:14.240 | So you worked hard, right?

00:16:16.080 | Three gold medals, but it was across three Olympics, four years apart.

00:16:19.760 | I have to ask, in 2008, Michael Phelps did the same thing.

00:16:23.360 | Three gold medals in a little over 24 hours.

00:16:26.640 | And I know it took you three Olympics.

00:16:28.640 | And I know you're so supportive of Team USA.

00:16:31.520 | But it has to be a little frustrating when someone can get three golds in,

00:16:34.880 | like, almost a day, and it takes you three Olympics.

00:16:38.160 | It just is what it is.

00:16:39.520 | You know, I don't want to be a swimmer.

00:16:41.440 | If I had a big enough issue with that, I'd be a swimmer.

00:16:44.000 | And I'd try to go beat Michael Phelps's records.

00:16:46.080 | But no, you know, that's it's just that's why the different sports,

00:16:49.040 | you respect them for different reasons.

00:16:50.560 | But I think the longevity in our sport is gnarly.

00:16:53.680 | And if you can be a high performer and have sustained excellence

00:16:56.560 | and keep winning over a decade, like that's pretty unusual.

00:17:00.320 | Michael's done his next level unusual,

00:17:02.400 | but he has different opportunities than I have.

00:17:04.320 | I would never get mad at Michael for, you know,

00:17:07.120 | having 19 or more gold medals and everything he's done.

00:17:09.840 | That man's incredible.

00:17:10.800 | I would love to sit and talk to him about that,

00:17:12.480 | because that's just a whole different whole different ballgame.

00:17:15.200 | We need to start a podcast.

00:17:16.400 | I yeah, I have some thoughts, but I don't know.

00:17:19.600 | You got to keep you got to like you do so well.

00:17:22.160 | Like what did you say you're in the top what percent of podcasts?

00:17:24.640 | Yeah, I mean, the show's been doing great.

00:17:26.320 | We're in the top half a percent.

00:17:27.920 | Guys, I don't even know what that means.

00:17:30.080 | That's a gold medal.

00:17:30.800 | So that's incredible.

00:17:31.600 | But you because you don't have acid and I just need to, you know,

00:17:34.240 | all these things require preparation and commitment.

00:17:36.400 | And if I do it, I'll be inspired by you

00:17:38.320 | and I want to break that top three or top percent.

00:17:41.120 | But yeah, maybe down the road.

00:17:42.240 | You mentioned gold medals.

00:17:43.840 | I got to ask, where do you keep the gold medals?

00:17:45.840 | Are they are they in a safe?

00:17:47.040 | You just keep them on the wall?

00:17:48.160 | No, they're in a little cute bag in my closet.

00:17:52.400 | Just waiting to be brought to an appearance

00:17:54.880 | or shown to kids or something.

00:17:56.720 | I gave one to my I gave my first one to my parents.

00:17:59.040 | OK, the one from Athens.

00:18:00.640 | And my dad gave it back to yours.

00:18:02.080 | No, it was really yours.

00:18:05.120 | You guys earned it.

00:18:06.160 | And he's no, it's just sitting in our safe.

00:18:07.760 | And you'll you'll put it to better use.

00:18:09.440 | So, yeah, the collection is together.

00:18:11.440 | But I feel like it's I feel like it's a little bit short.

00:18:14.240 | I really do want one more.

00:18:15.760 | But I'm just trying to figure out the retirement game or not.

00:18:17.760 | Yeah, one more.

00:18:19.280 | There's an opportunity coming, right?

00:18:21.040 | There is.

00:18:21.680 | Yeah, I gave myself until June to figure out if I'm retired or not.

00:18:25.120 | I just needed some space because I don't have 100 percent clarity.

00:18:28.080 | And I don't know if you feel the same.

00:18:29.600 | But like, I'm at this point in my life where I can't.

00:18:31.840 | Like, I need something to be at 100 percent F yes or it's a no, you know,

00:18:38.240 | especially with something that requires so much of your heart and soul and

00:18:41.520 | sacrifice and leaving family like I need this to be 100 percent plus.

00:18:46.080 | Yes.

00:18:46.480 | And I'm just a little bit on the fence.

00:18:48.160 | And so I gave myself tell June to figure it out.

00:18:50.880 | But my heart wants it, Chris.

00:18:52.240 | And I don't know if that's just the athlete in me that's never going to die

00:18:55.280 | or if this dream is just I just believe.

00:18:58.400 | And I still I'm still hungry.

00:18:59.920 | I'm still physical.

00:19:00.800 | I still feel great.

00:19:01.920 | It's a life side of my life that would get in the way and not get in the way.

00:19:06.000 | But that would make me choose retirement.

00:19:07.840 | So we'll see.

00:19:08.400 | Is it more about pushing for another gold or is it more about ending on a gold?

00:19:13.840 | And yeah, that's a great question.

00:19:16.320 | I really do believe in fairytale endings and I want it.

00:19:20.720 | Like so I can just say that.

00:19:22.160 | But I just feel and I don't want to end on a bad note like this past quad.

00:19:26.000 | Like I lost myself so much last year and I just literally forgot how to play volleyball.

00:19:30.400 | Like emotionally, I couldn't handle it.

00:19:32.240 | And it was it was so many things I don't want to get into.

00:19:34.960 | But, you know, it just interfered with what I do best.

00:19:38.080 | And that's a bummer.

00:19:38.880 | And so there's part of that that I want to rectify.

00:19:40.880 | But more than that, I love it.

00:19:43.120 | And I believe that there's more and better in me.

00:19:45.360 | And I have this dream of a partner who I want to play with,

00:19:47.920 | who we're going to get together after the holidays and see if there's any magic there.

00:19:51.760 | And if if if we can commit to this, it's 100 percent.

00:19:55.440 | Yes, I just got to go through the paces.

00:19:57.040 | It's a process to figure these things out.

00:19:58.480 | Apparently, my whole life, everything is just unfolded and everything's made sense.

00:20:01.680 | And it just keeps happening.

00:20:02.880 | And this is the first time in my life where I'm like, let me pause.

00:20:05.040 | Let me think what I think I'm in trouble.

00:20:07.440 | So I'm just like praying and just waiting to know, you know, I'm waiting to I'm excited.

00:20:12.480 | See you in Paris.

00:20:14.800 | So one of those times where you had everything fall together perfectly

00:20:18.320 | from August 20, 2007 to August 2008, you and Misty went on 112 match winning streak.

00:20:24.320 | And most people in a year have some good weeks, some bad weeks.

00:20:28.400 | I can't imagine that a whole year was just a whole year of good days.

00:20:32.000 | Every single day, nothing was hard.

00:20:33.600 | But you guys won every time.

00:20:36.480 | What do you do?

00:20:37.840 | Maybe you didn't have a bad day, but I'm going to assume you did.

00:20:41.200 | How do you get past that?

00:20:42.480 | And how do you still perform at that level when you're having

00:20:45.520 | a bad day, which I think for everyone is inevitable?

00:20:47.920 | Yeah, I mean, certainly there are a lot of near misses, near losses in that run.

00:20:53.520 | The world's very good.

00:20:54.560 | And we had to play a lot of great teams.

00:20:56.160 | Certainly, there was a lot of injuries to play through and friction in our

00:20:59.280 | team to work through and friction in life.

00:21:01.280 | Yeah, I don't know.

00:21:02.000 | It's Misty and I were literally magic.

00:21:04.480 | So it's like something would happen on the court.

00:21:07.760 | And either we'd start the match on point and we finish on match and just crush someone.

00:21:11.600 | Or we would just start wonky and people would challenge us.

00:21:14.960 | And then at some point, we'd always just come together.

00:21:17.120 | It's like the harder things got for Misty and I, the more uncomfortable it was.

00:21:20.960 | We just got closer together.

00:21:23.040 | And that is a legacy of, you know, that builds legacies.

00:21:26.880 | We think about the Patriots or the Warriors or the Giants or whoever's had amazing,

00:21:30.960 | successful, longstanding legacies.

00:21:32.880 | I think that it's that ability to come together when times are tough

00:21:36.720 | because you have that belief, you have that respect, you have that

00:21:39.520 | vulnerability and strength together.

00:21:41.200 | And Misty and I had that for 10 years, basically.

00:21:44.080 | But that run in 2007-2008 was really gnarly.

00:21:46.960 | And for me, that was the time of my career where I was most obsessed.

00:21:50.880 | Like 100% volleyball all the time.

00:21:54.240 | And I had gotten married in 2005.

00:21:56.480 | I almost lost my marriage because of my obsession.

00:21:59.200 | Like, all I wanted to do is win, you know.

00:22:01.280 | Right after I got married, after the Athens Games, I got pregnant and had a miscarriage.

00:22:06.560 | And then my husband and I decided to wait till after Beijing to try again.

00:22:10.480 | And so, in that period of two, two and a half years,

00:22:13.840 | I was like, "If I'm not having babies, I need to win."

00:22:17.360 | And so, I lost sight of my life and just got so focused on volleyball.

00:22:20.480 | And we dominated.

00:22:22.560 | Misty and I were so close.

00:22:23.920 | Like, and our coach was so close.

00:22:25.280 | We were so rad.

00:22:26.480 | We were so connected, which is beautiful, which is how you win.

00:22:29.040 | But my life fell apart.

00:22:30.720 | So, even though we kicked ass and dominated and that was part of the record books,

00:22:34.160 | I would never want to go back there because everything that's most important to me

00:22:37.440 | almost was just blown away and destroyed.

00:22:40.640 | To have a year like that?

00:22:41.600 | - I don't think it has to be that.

00:22:43.440 | And that's part of why I want to keep going.

00:22:46.320 | It's like, "God, I really, I can do this better."

00:22:48.240 | Because like I told you, moving forward to Paris,

00:22:50.800 | like, I need to marry the intimate connection with my family

00:22:54.560 | with the intimate connection I have with my partner and the journey.

00:22:57.680 | Because right now, I haven't done that.

00:22:58.960 | And it's like, I have to peace out to my family for six weeks at a time.

00:23:02.320 | And my heart can't take that anymore.

00:23:04.320 | It can't.

00:23:04.960 | Like, literally, I might die if it feels like that.

00:23:07.280 | Because I can't breathe.

00:23:08.320 | I can't focus.

00:23:09.040 | I feel so guilty.

00:23:10.000 | All these things.

00:23:11.200 | And I miss my family so much.

00:23:12.720 | And my kids are suffering for it.

00:23:14.160 | And my husband.

00:23:14.960 | So I really don't believe, I believe it requires obsession.

00:23:18.880 | But I believe there's a way to have a healthy obsession

00:23:21.360 | and to make sure that you're living life and being present wherever you are.

00:23:27.360 | For me, it's if I had a tournament in two weeks, but I was home,

00:23:30.160 | I could only think about the tournament in two weeks.

00:23:32.480 | So it's like my time at home was wasted.

00:23:34.080 | You know what I'm saying?

00:23:34.640 | - Yeah.

00:23:35.680 | What do you think, if you could go back to 2007,

00:23:37.920 | what do you think you could share to your younger self

00:23:40.960 | that would allow you to find that balance?

00:23:44.000 | - Well, I think it's just like, one of my favorite quotes

00:23:47.360 | is from my performance psychologist, Mike Gervais.

00:23:49.280 | And he says, "Be where your feet are."

00:23:50.640 | Like, be 100% where you are.

00:23:53.920 | Because if you're on the court, then if you're in the moment

00:23:56.560 | and you're not worried about the past or the future,

00:23:58.400 | all of your tools and resource and focus and greatness

00:24:00.960 | is going to show up in that moment if you're where your feet are.

00:24:03.840 | Same thing in life.

00:24:04.800 | If I'm with my husband, but I have a huge tournament,

00:24:06.800 | you know, coming up or a big game the next day.

00:24:08.960 | But if I'm with him in that moment for that hour,

00:24:11.120 | that hour is going to feel like four days

00:24:13.200 | because I'm in the moment

00:24:14.320 | and I'm connecting with him sincerely.

00:24:16.320 | So I think the antidote to so much stress

00:24:18.640 | and to balancing your obsessions with your life obsessions

00:24:22.960 | is just to be in the moment.

00:24:24.320 | And certainly we've all heard the kind of quote

00:24:27.440 | that what grows is what you nurture in water.

00:24:30.640 | And so it's like, I went to this Tony Robbins.

00:24:34.000 | Do you know Tony Robbins?

00:24:35.520 | - Yeah, of course.

00:24:36.160 | - Yeah, so I went to one of his seminars

00:24:38.240 | and it was so amazing.

00:24:39.360 | And one of the first thing he says,

00:24:40.640 | people have been jumping up and down

00:24:41.840 | for an hour straight waiting for him.

00:24:43.360 | And one of the first thing he says is,

00:24:44.720 | you guys, I know you guys all kick ass

00:24:46.560 | and you bring energy and love and passion to your jobs.

00:24:49.440 | And everyone's like, yeah.

00:24:50.240 | And he goes on a riff on that for a second.

00:24:52.720 | And then he goes, but take a moment.

00:24:54.000 | Think about the energy and the passion

00:24:56.560 | and the presence you bring to your relationships.

00:24:58.480 | And everyone was like, oh, like it was so deflating.

00:25:02.800 | And to me, it was like such a slap in my face

00:25:04.800 | because my husband tells me that all the time.

00:25:06.880 | Less now because I'm working on it.

00:25:08.240 | He's like, babe, you give everyone outside of this house,

00:25:11.120 | the world, your energy, your focus.

00:25:13.120 | Like you make them feel like

00:25:14.320 | they're the only thing in the world.

00:25:15.440 | Then you come home, you're exhausted.

00:25:17.200 | And your time with us is not as quality.

00:25:19.120 | So can we fix that?

00:25:20.160 | And then when Tony said that, I was like,

00:25:21.840 | oh my hell, yes, it's so true.

00:25:24.720 | And so I feel like if I can give the energy and the love,

00:25:28.720 | it's a different expression of it.

00:25:30.240 | But to give the energy and love that I put to my career

00:25:32.560 | toward my family and whatever expression is real,

00:25:35.440 | that's the game changer.

00:25:37.120 | And do it consistently.

00:25:38.240 | Like you can't just do it once in a while.

00:25:39.760 | I can't appreciate my husband once in a while

00:25:41.840 | or be there for my kids once in a while.

00:25:43.360 | Like I want to go metal as a mom too and a wife too.

00:25:45.840 | So that requires every day.

00:25:47.440 | - Yeah, are there any kind of tricks

00:25:49.360 | or things you've added to your routine

00:25:50.720 | to make that work better?

00:25:52.040 | - Man, I, well, I was always involved, you know,

00:25:55.840 | but I was just kind of distracted, kind of agitated.

00:25:58.080 | Like I was all there, but I was just like,

00:25:59.520 | it was kind of like a caged lion.

00:26:00.800 | Like, fuck, let me, let me at it.

00:26:02.800 | And that's almost embarrassing to say,

00:26:04.240 | but it's my, it's my truth.

00:26:05.520 | But for me, you know, mindfulness practice

00:26:08.240 | is a huge part of my life.

00:26:09.280 | When I started meditating and taking time

00:26:11.040 | to be in stillness every day,

00:26:12.320 | it really allows me to respond to life

00:26:16.720 | and not just be so reactive.

00:26:18.400 | And I am a very emotional person.

00:26:20.240 | So I feed off uranogy.

00:26:22.000 | If you're having a bad day,

00:26:23.280 | I kind of make myself have a bad day

00:26:24.960 | and I just want to control my environment

00:26:26.880 | so everyone's comfortable.

00:26:28.080 | And when I meditate,

00:26:29.360 | when I have that stillness within me,

00:26:30.800 | I just, I'm more of an observer

00:26:32.960 | and I can respond in more healthy ways.

00:26:35.120 | So that's really beautiful to me.

00:26:36.720 | And I just made it a priority.

00:26:38.160 | I've done a lot of self-help work.

00:26:40.160 | I did a lot of work with my performance psychologist,

00:26:42.560 | Mike Gervais.

00:26:43.120 | And he's like, basically, Carrie, he's like,

00:26:45.120 | you, you can't have it all,

00:26:46.400 | but you can have what matters most to you.

00:26:49.280 | So figure out what matters most to you

00:26:51.520 | and then make those your priorities.

00:26:53.040 | So for me, I figured out what was most important to me

00:26:55.200 | and I put them in buckets.

00:26:56.080 | So I have my, I have my faith, right?

00:26:58.480 | My God, my creator.

00:26:59.760 | I have to connect to that because that empowers me.

00:27:01.920 | That makes me empowered in life.

00:27:03.440 | I have my family, right?

00:27:04.960 | I have my career.

00:27:06.000 | And those three things,

00:27:06.800 | like those are my three things, my three buckets.

00:27:09.360 | And so when I'm feeling out of sorts in the world,

00:27:13.120 | literally, if I take a moment and be like,

00:27:14.560 | hey, out of my three buckets,

00:27:16.000 | what am I not serving?

00:27:17.520 | It shows me what I'm not paying attention to.

00:27:20.080 | And so my life side of my life has to be a priority.

00:27:23.040 | Otherwise everything else is going to be,

00:27:25.840 | I'm going to get bronzes

00:27:26.800 | or I'm not even going to qualify.

00:27:28.960 | So, you know, things like that.

00:27:30.080 | - So much of performance is often not in the thing.

00:27:34.080 | It's what's in your head.

00:27:34.800 | It's what's going on outside.

00:27:35.920 | But you mentioned you have a performance coach,

00:27:38.400 | mindfulness, those aren't physical things.

00:27:41.120 | Do you think a lot of the success

00:27:42.960 | is more mental than physical in sports?

00:27:45.440 | - I heard someone say, and I really love this

00:27:47.360 | 'cause it's like, what's more important,

00:27:48.800 | the mental or the physical?

00:27:50.560 | And to me, like emotional is so important too.

00:27:53.040 | But this guy said, Andrew Huberman,

00:27:55.440 | Huberman Lab Podcast, he's incredible.

00:27:57.520 | He said, get rid of all that.

00:27:59.680 | Everything is your nervous system, right?

00:28:02.480 | So your mental capacity, your emotional, your physical,

00:28:04.720 | it all is wrapped up in your nervous system.

00:28:06.560 | And so I just think it's everything all wrapped into one.

00:28:09.680 | For me, I think the easier part of everything

00:28:12.240 | is the physical part.

00:28:13.200 | I'm an athlete, like I can suck it up.

00:28:14.800 | I can go really hard.

00:28:15.840 | I can do these things.

00:28:17.040 | The harder part is pulling back if I'm injured,

00:28:19.840 | like recovering, prioritizing sleep and nutrition

00:28:22.560 | and going to my performance psychologist,

00:28:24.720 | kind of the softer skills.

00:28:26.080 | But to me, the softer skills make me lethal,

00:28:29.120 | and they enhance my physical skills.

00:28:32.080 | So I don't think there's an answer to that question

00:28:33.680 | other than the fact that everything impacts everything else.

00:28:36.400 | And if we could all have healthy nervous systems

00:28:39.280 | because we pay attention and fuel our body, mind and spirit,

00:28:42.880 | then we could all kick ass longer

00:28:44.480 | and feel better while we're doing it.

00:28:45.760 | Like, I don't wanna grit out and grind out a journey

00:28:48.800 | that I hate and get to the end and be like,

00:28:50.320 | oh, we won, but that sucked.

00:28:52.000 | I never wanna do that.

00:28:53.520 | I really do wanna enjoy my days.

00:28:55.200 | And so for me, it's about creating processes,

00:28:57.200 | hanging out with people,

00:28:58.480 | making sure my environment allows for that joy,

00:29:01.760 | that positive energy in my days,

00:29:03.680 | because I know that serves me best.

00:29:05.120 | - Yeah, I've not been fortunate to have a mental

00:29:09.600 | or performance psychologist.

00:29:11.440 | What are some of the lessons you've learned

00:29:13.360 | from that relationship that people listening

00:29:15.840 | might be able to apply to their home work lives?

00:29:19.320 | - Well, outside of the mindfulness practice,

00:29:22.720 | which it's like for me,

00:29:24.080 | and Tony Robbins mentions this as well.

00:29:25.600 | He's like, whenever you're feeling so overwhelmed

00:29:27.600 | and so in your head or so just stuck in life,

00:29:30.240 | he's like, get out of your head and get into your body.

00:29:32.240 | Right, so that was a big thing for me

00:29:34.480 | because I tend to, I wanna fix everything.

00:29:36.720 | I wanna know the answer.

00:29:37.840 | Like, I wanna be able to speak, articulate to everything.

00:29:39.760 | And if I can't, then I get overwhelmed.

00:29:41.920 | And then I just don't know what to do.

00:29:43.760 | And so go take a walk, go for a run, get in the sauna.

00:29:47.120 | You need to do something to get back into your whole system.

00:29:49.920 | And I think that's really helpful.

00:29:51.120 | So for me, Mike Gervais gave me this practice,

00:29:53.920 | like before I get in the car,

00:29:56.720 | I turn the car on and I actually listen to the ignition.

00:29:59.680 | Right, I feel the steering wheel in my hand.

00:30:02.080 | So anything to like connect my body, all my senses,

00:30:05.680 | that brings you back to the moment.

00:30:07.840 | And again, if we're in the moment,

00:30:08.960 | then we can attack our lives beautifully, more powerfully

00:30:12.080 | than if we weren't in the moment,

00:30:13.280 | rushing through and racing through.

00:30:14.640 | Something else that really helped me with Mike Gervais

00:30:17.440 | is that he doesn't do the work for you,

00:30:19.760 | but he kind of, he highlights the work you have.

00:30:22.080 | And I, he helped me realize how much baggage I carry around

00:30:25.040 | and how I have just these ridiculous expectations.

00:30:27.440 | And mostly actually is how important my self-talk

00:30:31.200 | is to my success and my satisfaction in life.

00:30:34.160 | And what he says, which I know to be true at this point,

00:30:36.480 | is that self-confidence comes from one place

00:30:38.320 | and one place only.

00:30:39.360 | And that's the way you talk to yourself.

00:30:41.360 | And so Mike Gervais is a huge proponent of having positive

00:30:45.440 | in the very least neutral self-talk,

00:30:47.680 | where instead of belittling yourself

00:30:49.440 | and saying, oh, you're idiot, oh, you F that up,

00:30:50.960 | or we're going to lose.

00:30:52.080 | It's like, that's going to give you momentum

00:30:53.680 | in the totally wrong direction.

00:30:55.120 | So if you find yours, if you have the awareness

00:30:57.680 | to hear yourself talking to yourself like that,

00:30:59.360 | you have the awareness, you catch yourself,

00:31:02.000 | and then you choose better.

00:31:03.280 | So choose a neutral thought.

00:31:04.400 | 'Cause it's hard to go from, oh, you're the worst

00:31:05.760 | in the world to you're the best.

00:31:07.360 | That's not credible.

00:31:08.640 | So go from, ah, that sucked.

00:31:10.320 | You're terrible to let's restart.

00:31:13.200 | Let's try this again.

00:31:14.400 | I got this.

00:31:15.040 | I'm ready for this.

00:31:15.920 | This is part of it, to neutral talk.

00:31:17.600 | And then from neutral, you can go into more positive talk.

00:31:20.480 | So I think the inner critic is very valuable,

00:31:24.320 | but the self-talk that you have really,

00:31:27.120 | really determines your performance.

00:31:29.200 | You know what I'm saying?

00:31:30.240 | - I'm just thinking, imagine I finished an interview

00:31:32.880 | and it wasn't great.

00:31:33.680 | Would it be fair to say, instead of saying,

00:31:35.120 | God, that was horrible, to say, that wasn't my best?

00:31:38.160 | Is that neutral?

00:31:39.760 | Or help me nail down what neutral is.

00:31:42.560 | - Well, yeah, I think it's like,

00:31:44.320 | I don't think you lie to yourself, you know?

00:31:46.720 | Well, yeah, no, I think that's fair.

00:31:47.920 | I think that's fair.

00:31:48.640 | And then you'd be like, hey, what could I do better?

00:31:50.160 | What did I do well?

00:31:51.200 | You know, after every game, we have a debrief

00:31:53.280 | where it's like, what do we do good individually?

00:31:55.760 | What can we work on individually?

00:31:57.360 | And then collectively.

00:31:58.560 | So for something like that, it's did I prepare well enough?

00:32:01.840 | Was I rushing?

00:32:02.880 | How did I feel on my body?

00:32:04.240 | How could I have made the environment more amenable

00:32:07.440 | to having a great podcast?

00:32:08.800 | These types of things.

00:32:09.520 | I think these thoughts are great.

00:32:10.560 | But in the moment, I think it's really important

00:32:12.880 | to be neutral or positive or encouraging

00:32:15.520 | in the very least.

00:32:16.240 | Encouragement is such a huge thing in life.

00:32:18.000 | And then after, yeah, you just don't beat yourself up.

00:32:19.520 | You can acknowledge it and be like,

00:32:20.480 | "Okay, I'll do better next time.

00:32:21.520 | How can I do better?"

00:32:22.480 | And then you carry on, you know?

00:32:24.000 | - Yeah, I mean, this must be easy.

00:32:25.840 | I know your nickname, Six Feet of Sunshine,

00:32:28.320 | you have this positive attitude and joy.

00:32:30.000 | Is there a secret to all that happiness and success and joy

00:32:34.080 | that keeps you having all this positive self-talk

00:32:36.480 | and not even self-talk, outward talk?

00:32:38.480 | - Well, my self-talk is way, is gnarly, you know?

00:32:43.840 | I have a lot of room for improvement, for sure.

00:32:46.720 | I definitely speak outwardly more positively in general,

00:32:49.360 | but I do, it's authentic to me to be positive.

00:32:52.240 | Nature and nurture, my family's that way.

00:32:54.640 | I don't have any pessimists around me.

00:32:56.960 | I don't have a lot of cynics around me.

00:32:58.880 | I have a lot of curious people around me,

00:33:00.960 | a lot of people who have a lot of faith around me.

00:33:03.680 | And so I think, and I'm just a very faithful,

00:33:05.760 | optimistic person by nature.

00:33:07.200 | And then in my life experience, when I have been cynical,

00:33:10.400 | when I have indulged in like, woe is me and feeling terrible

00:33:14.720 | and being overburdened by a challenge,

00:33:16.400 | thinking in a more negative way

00:33:20.800 | takes me so far from what I want.

00:33:23.200 | So now it's, if I fail, I've revamped it in my head where,

00:33:27.520 | okay, that was a rep.

00:33:28.480 | That rep shows me where I can improve

00:33:32.880 | and I'm determined to improve.

00:33:34.320 | So now I go to work and that could be a mental rep,

00:33:36.240 | it could be a physical rep,

00:33:37.120 | but that's a positive way to frame these things.

00:33:39.680 | It's a repetition of something.

00:33:41.200 | And then I just get curious.

00:33:42.720 | It's okay, so if I'm having this podcast

00:33:45.040 | and I want to kick ass and I almost want it too bad,

00:33:47.200 | and I'm feeling so much anxiety

00:33:48.400 | that I can't even have this conversation,

00:33:50.080 | I want to be curious about my anxiety.

00:33:51.760 | What are my thoughts before the podcast?

00:33:53.840 | What are my thoughts during?

00:33:55.040 | Just self-awareness to me is like a superpower.

00:33:57.600 | And if we can develop self-awareness

00:33:59.360 | of how we feel in certain situations,

00:34:01.040 | how we feel around certain people,

00:34:02.560 | our kind of our routines, all these things,

00:34:04.960 | like we have so much more control in our lives

00:34:06.800 | than I think we think.

00:34:08.240 | And I think what I said earlier is that

00:34:10.080 | when you find yourself in a funk,

00:34:11.680 | like if you find yourself thinking terrible thoughts,

00:34:14.000 | that's self-awareness that you're having that.

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00:34:18.400 | our thoughts are thinking for us,

00:34:20.000 | but that's just because that's a habit.

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00:34:25.280 | And my philosophy is always just choose better.

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00:34:30.080 | then the solution is going to come.

00:34:31.280 | If you focus on the problem,

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00:34:33.840 | and it's going to envelop you.

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00:37:20.720 | - You talked a lot about self-awareness.

00:37:23.440 | Does that come mostly from your mindfulness practice,

00:37:26.080 | or where does some of that come from?

00:37:28.720 | - You know, I think I'm a pretty self-aware human.

00:37:31.760 | I don't know if as an athlete, if you need to be,

00:37:33.600 | 'cause you need all systems firing.

00:37:35.120 | I come from a big family,

00:37:36.560 | and I think that kind of knowing your place,

00:37:39.120 | and we're all utility players,

00:37:40.960 | having an awareness of what's needed at a certain time,

00:37:43.520 | I think that's part of my upbringing.

00:37:45.120 | I definitely have trained it through mindfulness training.

00:37:47.760 | I really love people.

00:37:49.360 | I really love connecting,

00:37:50.480 | and I think I'm an empath to a certain extent,

00:37:52.640 | so I feed off energy.

00:37:53.600 | So I think it's just something that it's natural to me,

00:37:57.200 | and to me, it just pays so many dividends,

00:37:59.040 | not only in myself,

00:38:00.160 | because I can self-regulate

00:38:01.520 | if I'm aware of something happening,

00:38:03.040 | but within my relationships,

00:38:04.320 | because I can notice how I'm feeling with my husband

00:38:06.640 | if we're having a tough conversation,

00:38:08.080 | or if my husband's having a tough day,

00:38:09.680 | I can have awareness about how he's feeling,

00:38:12.000 | and then I can address it,

00:38:12.960 | or love him more, or whatever it is.

00:38:14.640 | I think those things are very, very valuable.

00:38:16.720 | The emotional IQ part of life, to me, is so undervalued.

00:38:20.960 | For every top performer,

00:38:22.160 | I think it's just a really important thing,

00:38:23.680 | especially if you want a long career.

00:38:25.120 | So I think you gotta pay attention to that stuff.

00:38:26.640 | - Yeah, are there things to improve it?

00:38:28.880 | Some of those things are natural, right?

00:38:30.080 | You can't go back in time and have a large family.

00:38:31.840 | - No, right.

00:38:32.720 | - But what are things you think people can do to improve it?

00:38:35.840 | - I think just, again, I think just developing a practice.

00:38:39.200 | Well, A, knowing who you are is really valuable,

00:38:41.440 | and being curious about becoming your best self.

00:38:44.160 | I feel like if you're always curious

00:38:46.400 | about what the potential you have,

00:38:48.080 | then that just makes you like, "Oh, okay, I just had that.

00:38:50.560 | "I just did that, it was just an A-hole to that person.

00:38:52.640 | "I wanna do that better."

00:38:53.840 | Kind of living what you don't want

00:38:55.200 | shows you what you do want type of thing,

00:38:56.800 | and that's with self-awareness as well.

00:38:58.800 | And so I'm always trying to be a better version of myself

00:39:02.000 | while loving myself at the same time, even through my flaws.

00:39:04.800 | And so I feel like that kind of self-love component,

00:39:07.360 | the curiosity about your innate potential

00:39:09.840 | is really important.

00:39:10.880 | And then I just think creating space in your life

00:39:14.560 | is really important where it's like,

00:39:16.080 | if you're having a challenging relationship

00:39:18.480 | or if there's a challenge in general,

00:39:20.400 | if you can pull yourself outside of it

00:39:23.440 | and become the observer of it,

00:39:25.200 | which is like Jedi stuff.

00:39:27.200 | But so you're not like in the middle of it,

00:39:28.800 | but you're like, "Okay, there's this argument going on

00:39:30.800 | "or I'm involved in this argument.

00:39:32.480 | "Like what's behind this?"

00:39:34.240 | You know, and all these things.

00:39:35.360 | Like I just, I feel like getting out of the mud.

00:39:37.760 | Okay, a couple of things.

00:39:39.280 | So I think being curious is really important

00:39:42.000 | about yourself, about others.

00:39:43.360 | Like what's behind this friction?

00:39:45.120 | I think that that's a thought that makes you not be like,

00:39:48.080 | "What the fuck?

00:39:48.720 | "Like, why are you doing this?

00:39:50.080 | "Okay, like really what's behind this?

00:39:51.600 | "I'm really curious.

00:39:52.400 | "I really care about these people or this situation."

00:39:54.800 | So get curious, create some space

00:39:57.040 | so that you can actually see what's going on

00:39:58.800 | instead of being super emotionally tied to what's going on.

00:40:01.200 | And then focus on the solution.

00:40:02.480 | I think these are all things that are based in awareness

00:40:06.560 | that will then allow you to have tools

00:40:09.600 | to respond appropriately.

00:40:10.960 | 'Cause there's not one right answer for every situation,

00:40:13.920 | even if it's a similar situation all the time.

00:40:15.920 | So I think giving yourself space,

00:40:17.440 | giving yourself a moment, a breath to be in the moment,

00:40:20.640 | like one breath, deep breath in and out,

00:40:22.720 | resets your physiology.

00:40:24.000 | Like something volleyball

00:40:24.880 | that probably relates to this a little bit

00:40:26.400 | is that I've been encouraged,

00:40:27.920 | if I'm feeling like tunnel vision,

00:40:29.200 | 'cause I'm stressed, I'm anxious, it's a big moment.

00:40:31.440 | I've been encouraged to look off to the horizon

00:40:33.760 | because it literally expands my vision and my brain is,

00:40:36.160 | "Oh, okay, I'm not in this little fight or flight mode.

00:40:38.480 | "Like I have take on the full kaleidoscope of world,

00:40:41.760 | "which is beautiful."

00:40:42.640 | And so I think just reprogramming yourself

00:40:45.360 | so you can be in the moment without anxiety,

00:40:47.760 | just knowing that you're equipped

00:40:49.440 | to handle whatever's in your way

00:40:50.880 | or whatever you're dealing with

00:40:52.000 | is a beautiful mindset type of thing.

00:40:53.680 | So that was all over the place,

00:40:55.520 | but it's just space is important.

00:40:57.840 | Awareness is important.

00:40:58.960 | And then responding mindfully is important.

00:41:01.440 | And those things don't just happen like on game day.

00:41:04.320 | Like I train every day like that.

00:41:05.920 | And I use my training in my personal life too.

00:41:07.920 | Like in a conversation with my husband

00:41:09.200 | or if a phone call, I have to make him 1440,

00:41:11.520 | I have to go fire somebody.

00:41:12.560 | Like I take my breath before.

00:41:15.040 | I think I have my preparation,

00:41:17.760 | my intention for all these things.

00:41:19.840 | I think of what I want the outcome to be.

00:41:21.520 | And then I go.

00:41:23.200 | So the preparation is everything.

00:41:24.800 | And then it's all about being in the moment.

00:41:26.560 | - I've done a lot of those things as well.

00:41:28.880 | So that's really helpful.

00:41:29.680 | - Yeah, does it work for you?

00:41:30.640 | - Yeah, I mean, for me,

00:41:32.320 | there was an interesting conversation

00:41:34.080 | I had about kind of distraction.

00:41:36.080 | There's a guy named Nir Eyal

00:41:37.680 | who wrote a book called "Indistractable."

00:41:39.520 | And he says, "When you're at this moment

00:41:41.680 | "where you feel distracted,

00:41:43.760 | "take a moment and like feel what that is

00:41:48.160 | "so you can recognize it."

00:41:49.600 | Because a lot of times

00:41:50.640 | the reactions you take to things aren't,

00:41:53.840 | you're not aware of them until you understand them.

00:41:56.880 | And once you realize it,

00:41:57.760 | like you said, pause in the car and hear things.

00:42:00.160 | Once you're kind of in the moment,

00:42:01.360 | you can course correct.

00:42:02.320 | But if you don't pause to understand

00:42:03.840 | when that moment happens,

00:42:04.880 | it's really hard to course correct.

00:42:06.240 | - Totally, yeah, yeah, I agree.

00:42:09.520 | I honestly think being in the moment

00:42:10.800 | is the antidote to everything in life.

00:42:12.160 | - Yeah, we talked a lot about things

00:42:14.320 | you can do in your mind,

00:42:15.520 | but when it comes to the body,

00:42:16.560 | we started our conversation talking about mushroom tea.

00:42:19.600 | And you mentioned you've got a lot of things

00:42:21.040 | that you've done and experimented with to optimize.

00:42:23.600 | I'd love to hear the things that worked,

00:42:26.080 | maybe the things that didn't,

00:42:27.120 | but the things that have stayed in your routine

00:42:29.040 | to help you maybe in that realm.

00:42:30.800 | - Yeah, there's so many things

00:42:33.040 | and they're all like so fundamental and nothing's new.

00:42:35.440 | So obviously sleep is just a huge, huge priority.

00:42:38.240 | That's for my mental performance,

00:42:40.080 | my emotional capabilities,

00:42:41.600 | and my physical performance.

00:42:42.560 | Sleep is everything.

00:42:43.360 | And then nutrition is obviously huge.

00:42:45.600 | And I don't have any specific diet,

00:42:47.920 | but I definitely eat very clean.

00:42:49.760 | I focus on protein a lot.

00:42:52.400 | I eat a ton of protein.

00:42:53.440 | I'm a meat eater.

00:42:54.400 | And I just think my body and my brain needs protein,

00:42:56.960 | needs good fat as well.

00:42:58.000 | So those are my two priorities in my nutrition.

00:42:59.680 | I just literally, today's day one

00:43:02.240 | off of this eight day milk cleanse,

00:43:04.640 | 'cause this is so gross, but I have parasites.

00:43:07.040 | I have all these pathogens in my tummy

00:43:08.560 | and I started gaining weight,

00:43:09.600 | but I'm eating really well.

00:43:10.640 | I'm sleeping good and I am working out a ton

00:43:12.960 | and I was gaining weight in not a good way.

00:43:15.360 | And I was like, what the hell is going on?

00:43:16.960 | And I've had, they're just really hard to get rid of

00:43:19.360 | the pathogens in my tummy.

00:43:20.560 | And so I just drank,

00:43:21.360 | I drank six ounces of milk every two hours

00:43:24.800 | for 12 hours for eight days in a row.

00:43:26.960 | And that's all I had all day.

00:43:28.160 | And it was so gnarly, Chris,

00:43:30.080 | like by day five, I'm like,

00:43:31.840 | oh my God, I had lost 10 pounds and I needed to.

00:43:35.920 | So I was stoked on that,

00:43:36.800 | but it was probably all water weight, but whatever.

00:43:38.640 | But by the end of this morning,

00:43:41.680 | I woke up so proud

00:43:42.640 | because I just did something so hard.

00:43:44.480 | And I think it's so important to do hard things

00:43:46.800 | and to push through 'cause I almost quit

00:43:48.480 | and I almost cheated like a hundred times.

00:43:50.400 | And my kids saw me doing this.

00:43:51.680 | My kids were like, I'd make dinner for my whole family

00:43:53.760 | and I couldn't eat it

00:43:54.480 | and they would just tease me with it.

00:43:55.920 | So anyhow, so I have been doing

00:43:58.000 | the standard process cleanse for over 15 years.

00:44:01.360 | I do that once a year.

00:44:02.480 | And that's just to clean out all of my organs

00:44:04.480 | to make sure everything's running smoothly.

00:44:06.800 | By the end of it, I feel like a million bucks.

00:44:08.240 | So I would highly recommend you guys.

00:44:09.520 | - And is that just like a fast or what is that?

00:44:13.280 | - No, you can use as much as you want,

00:44:15.040 | but just of what's allowed.

00:44:16.240 | So no butter, no alcohol, no caffeine, no bread.

00:44:19.200 | It's a lot of fruits and vegetables and protein.

00:44:21.440 | And they give you shakes and pills,

00:44:23.040 | but it's a pretty incredible cleanse

00:44:25.040 | 'cause you're just really eating very cleanly,

00:44:27.440 | a very balanced diet.

00:44:28.800 | And you start to taste food again

00:44:30.400 | and you just cut out all this stuff.

00:44:31.760 | Like I drink a lot of drinks every day

00:44:33.920 | and it all adds up,

00:44:35.280 | even if it's like a holistic tea.

00:44:37.920 | And with some collagen, those are calories

00:44:40.000 | and those are, you know, it's processed.

00:44:42.000 | So that's something I'm very mindful of.

00:44:43.760 | I partnered with Seeking Health,

00:44:45.200 | which is a supplement company that I am in love with.

00:44:48.320 | I researched them for over a year

00:44:49.680 | before I signed with them

00:44:50.720 | because I just, A, I wanted to work,

00:44:52.800 | but I fell in love with their science

00:44:54.720 | and with their efficacy.

00:44:55.840 | So my kids and I and my husband all use these products.

00:44:59.040 | And every single person in my ginormous family

00:45:01.760 | will be getting Seeking Health products,

00:45:03.520 | whether it's vitamin C or zinc or vitamin D plus K.

00:45:07.440 | And they're stockings this year.

00:45:08.720 | So I think that's huge.

00:45:09.840 | And then also the stuff I do outside of training,

00:45:12.480 | diverse training, strength training, Pilates,

00:45:14.560 | I do this, it's called pillar principles.

00:45:17.120 | I don't even know how to explain it,

00:45:19.120 | but I do a lot of stillness work and poses

00:45:21.440 | and I try to create space in my body.

00:45:23.440 | And then I can fill muscle in

00:45:25.040 | instead of just packing muscle on this frame

00:45:26.960 | that's misaligned.

00:45:28.080 | So that's something else I do.

00:45:29.920 | But the cold plunge is something

00:45:31.840 | that I'm 100% in love with.

00:45:33.360 | I do it probably four days a week

00:45:35.920 | for four minutes at a time.

00:45:37.200 | I will go in the sauna for 45 minutes.

00:45:39.280 | I get all, I sweat the toxins out.

00:45:41.360 | I sit there, that's hard as well.

00:45:43.280 | And then I go straight to the cold plunge,

00:45:44.880 | which is at, right now it's at 43 degrees.

00:45:48.160 | I sit in there for about four minutes

00:45:49.920 | and then I'm done.

00:45:51.600 | So all these things are, it's all the elements.

00:45:54.800 | You want the protein, you want the fat,

00:45:56.080 | you want the cold, you want the heat,

00:45:57.920 | you want the resistance training.

00:45:59.600 | And then I get the exercise in my relationships

00:46:02.000 | as far as kind of connection, all these things.

00:46:03.680 | I read a lot.

00:46:05.040 | So all these things add up

00:46:06.080 | to being a high performer in my case.

00:46:08.000 | Everything is body, mind, and spirit.

00:46:09.440 | - Yeah, it's funny you mentioned the cold plunge.

00:46:11.920 | I was talking to my wife about a cold plunge

00:46:13.520 | and I was like, "What's the hack to do a cold plunge?"

00:46:16.720 | And I was reading these articles

00:46:17.840 | about buying a freestanding freezer

00:46:20.160 | and like sealing off the joints.

00:46:21.840 | You can turn a freezer into a cold plunge.

00:46:24.080 | And it's like, you know.

00:46:24.800 | - I've done everything.

00:46:26.400 | And then we found, literally it's called

00:46:28.400 | thecoldplunge.com and it's plugged in.

00:46:30.960 | - Yeah, I saw it.

00:46:32.560 | But then I was like, "Gosh, this freezer version

00:46:34.400 | is like $800."

00:46:35.200 | - No, no, money is one thing.

00:46:38.160 | But then you have to buy the ice every single time.

00:46:41.040 | Like we went so far as we had the industrial tub

00:46:44.960 | that they have in hospitals.

00:46:46.400 | We bought an ice machine.

00:46:48.080 | And we were just so invested.

00:46:49.680 | But it was such a pain in the ass

00:46:50.800 | 'cause the ice couldn't recycle fast enough

00:46:52.400 | for how much we needed

00:46:53.280 | and they didn't make enough ice.

00:46:54.720 | So we've lived so many iterations of this.

00:46:57.040 | And then we found the cold plunge

00:46:58.160 | and it's saving us money.

00:46:59.280 | It's saving us time.

00:47:00.240 | It makes it easy.

00:47:00.960 | And now there's literally no excuse not to do it.

00:47:03.040 | So I would recommend everyone

00:47:04.480 | who's in this life optimization

00:47:06.160 | and performance optimization part

00:47:08.240 | to go check it out.

00:47:09.200 | 'Cause for the immune benefits,

00:47:10.720 | for the mental benefits of resiliency

00:47:12.720 | and doing hard things

00:47:13.760 | and just continually adapting,

00:47:15.760 | like it is powerful medicine.

00:47:17.840 | And it makes it so easy, Chris.

00:47:19.120 | I'm not even like, I'm not partnered with them

00:47:21.120 | like at all.

00:47:21.760 | I love them.

00:47:22.880 | So I just, I would check into it.

00:47:24.480 | And the sauna is next level as well.

00:47:26.320 | They go hand in hand.

00:47:27.200 | - I'm laughing because if you path my future,

00:47:30.320 | it's going to be buying one of these.

00:47:32.160 | If anyone's seen those meat freezers

00:47:33.760 | that they're like five feet, three feet.

00:47:36.240 | I'm going to go buy a meat freezer.

00:47:37.600 | I'm going to go seal it off.

00:47:38.640 | I'm going to fill it with water.

00:47:39.680 | I'm going to add filtration.

00:47:41.120 | And for six months,

00:47:42.160 | I'm going to be using this like DIY cold plunge

00:47:45.360 | and then it's going to break

00:47:46.240 | and I'm going to fix it.

00:47:46.960 | And then eventually I'm going to say,

00:47:48.480 | this wasn't worth it.

00:47:49.520 | Just like the DIY Peloton,

00:47:51.200 | I'm going to go buy the real thing,

00:47:54.400 | which I did there.

00:47:55.520 | So I just, I like to at least experiment.

00:47:58.080 | Maybe it's a great solution.

00:47:59.760 | A lot of DIY things are,

00:48:01.680 | but I see for some reason,

00:48:03.280 | I'm like predicting my future of trying

00:48:06.000 | and giving up and doing the real thing.

00:48:07.520 | - We all need to be mindful of the stories we say.

00:48:10.000 | So if that's the future you want, speak to it.

00:48:11.760 | But I like that.

00:48:12.480 | I think it's so, it's like rangy, right?

00:48:14.720 | It's like the book,

00:48:15.280 | like you're developing more range,

00:48:17.040 | like creating these experiences for yourself

00:48:19.040 | and you'll figure it out.

00:48:19.760 | If it works, it works.

00:48:20.480 | If not, it's going to lead you somewhere else.

00:48:21.840 | But I love that you're just engaged with it.

00:48:23.440 | That's like everything.

00:48:24.480 | - Yeah.

00:48:25.280 | I'm going to take a little bit of a turn.

00:48:27.680 | You've talked a lot,

00:48:28.400 | a few different times about your family

00:48:30.800 | and you have three kids.

00:48:32.400 | You actually, if I remember right,

00:48:33.680 | were pregnant with one of them

00:48:34.800 | while winning a gold medal.

00:48:35.920 | - Yeah, my daughter.

00:48:37.120 | - Yeah.

00:48:38.080 | Has having them made it harder to perform

00:48:40.240 | or are there times you wish

00:48:41.920 | that you were doing one versus the other?

00:48:43.360 | And how did you manage that?

00:48:44.920 | - You know, it's what I've always wanted

00:48:50.000 | was to be a working mommy, period.

00:48:51.840 | So I know what I signed up for

00:48:53.920 | and I would never trade it for the whole wide world.

00:48:55.760 | It's the best part, having both, right?

00:48:57.840 | Having two things.

00:48:59.280 | My family is up here.

00:49:00.720 | My career is very important to me,

00:49:02.320 | but it's way down here.

00:49:03.600 | But I spend more time in my career, you know?

00:49:05.280 | So it's like this crazy yin and yang.

00:49:07.200 | So no, I love both.

00:49:08.640 | I love both sides of me,

00:49:09.840 | both sides of my life in that way

00:49:12.560 | make me a better human.

00:49:13.840 | My kids 100% made me a better athlete,

00:49:16.400 | a better partner, more focused, more intentional.

00:49:19.200 | So my kids have helped my career immensely.

00:49:22.000 | Where it gets hard is the time management,

00:49:24.560 | is the guilt, all these things.

00:49:26.160 | 'Cause I thought it was really hard

00:49:27.360 | when my kids were infants

00:49:28.560 | and actually got to travel the world with them

00:49:29.840 | when they were babies on the road.

00:49:31.040 | But now that they're older,

00:49:32.480 | it's like my kids are studs

00:49:34.080 | and they have their own lives.

00:49:35.440 | I miss things and that's heartbreaking.

00:49:39.120 | And so that's the only hard part to me.

00:49:40.720 | I don't care about being tired.

00:49:41.840 | I don't care about having to work all day training

00:49:44.000 | and then come home and be mommy,

00:49:45.280 | make dinner and do homework.

00:49:46.560 | I love all of that.

00:49:48.000 | But I do not have as much time to dedicate to my craft

00:49:50.880 | as I normally would watching video

00:49:52.560 | and getting body work and all these things.

00:49:54.480 | All those things get put on the back burner

00:49:56.400 | because I have to prioritize.

00:49:57.760 | So that's where it gets hard.

00:49:58.960 | But I wouldn't trade it for all the money in the world.

00:50:02.080 | It's my favorite thing.

00:50:02.960 | And it's very hard, but hard isn't bad.

00:50:04.960 | I was talking to my best friend

00:50:07.040 | and it's like, we need to reframe the meaning

00:50:09.200 | and the vibe behind hard work.

00:50:11.120 | We all carry it like it's the biggest burden.

00:50:13.520 | When it's like, man, I'm so gifted and blessed

00:50:15.840 | that I love what I do with all my heart,

00:50:17.520 | that I'm willing to suffer so much for it.

00:50:19.600 | 'Cause that's true love.

00:50:20.800 | I've suffered in my marriage

00:50:21.760 | 'cause I love my man so much.

00:50:23.120 | I've suffered for my children

00:50:24.080 | 'cause I love them so much.

00:50:25.120 | I suffer for volleyball 'cause I love it so much.

00:50:27.680 | And so I think that's a blessing.

00:50:28.960 | And I really love working hard.

00:50:30.640 | And that's why I just think it's so important

00:50:33.040 | to have purpose and meaning behind what you're doing.

00:50:35.200 | 'Cause you're gonna suffer either way.

00:50:37.040 | And if you do have purpose and meaning,

00:50:39.120 | then you're gonna be able to endure and outlast

00:50:41.040 | and you'll get to where you wanna go eventually,

00:50:43.280 | no matter what, even if it looks different

00:50:44.960 | than what you think it was gonna.

00:50:46.320 | But if you hate what you do

00:50:47.920 | and you have no purpose and meaning you're suffering,

00:50:49.760 | it's like, what's the point?

00:50:52.160 | Make a shift there.

00:50:53.360 | Not that it's that easy all the time,

00:50:54.640 | but it kind of is.

00:50:55.360 | I think we should all be doing things that are meaningful.

00:50:59.040 | And even if you're custodian, God bless them.

00:51:01.680 | If you love it and you're supporting your family

00:51:04.320 | and you're having these deep relationships

00:51:05.680 | with the people you're working with,

00:51:07.040 | that's so powerful to me.

00:51:08.560 | But if you hate every day and you resent it,

00:51:10.720 | get rid of it.

00:51:11.520 | Jordan Peterson is one of my heroes in life.

00:51:13.600 | And he says, "Resentment is basically your body

00:51:16.640 | "and your mind shouting out to speak to something.

00:51:19.360 | "Like something's off here."

00:51:21.040 | And so, yeah, I just wanted to share that

00:51:23.440 | 'cause that was really powerful to me.

00:51:24.640 | 'Cause sometimes I feel that.

00:51:25.760 | I'm like, why am I feeling this?

00:51:26.880 | I don't like feeling this way.

00:51:27.760 | Now I'm gonna speak to it.

00:51:29.520 | I'm gonna think about it first.

00:51:30.320 | - Yeah, you've shared so many lessons.

00:51:32.640 | Are there lessons that you've learned

00:51:34.880 | that you're consciously trying to teach

00:51:36.640 | or share with your children?

00:51:38.160 | - All of them, really.

00:51:41.040 | It's pretty cool being at where I'm at in my career.

00:51:45.280 | I'm literally like, it's 50/50 if I'm retired or not.

00:51:48.720 | It truly is, which is such a weird place.

00:51:50.640 | I've obviously never been here before.

00:51:52.320 | But my children are competing at such a high level

00:51:54.880 | for their age group.

00:51:55.840 | And I get to witness them striving and falling short

00:52:00.800 | and training certain things.

00:52:02.400 | My husband took my son Sundance

00:52:04.080 | to the rec center this morning at 6.45

00:52:06.320 | to go work on dribbling.

00:52:07.520 | That's commitment and that's family connection.

00:52:09.600 | It's everything that's so special in life.

00:52:11.360 | Anyhow, but when I watch my kids compete,

00:52:13.680 | it just reinforces the things that I know

00:52:15.760 | are important for me to be a high performer.

00:52:18.240 | If my kids get second or third in a race

00:52:21.280 | and they're devastated and they feel shame about losing,

00:52:23.200 | I'm like, babe, that was incredible.

00:52:25.360 | You tried your best.

00:52:26.160 | What could you do better?

00:52:27.040 | But babe, that was just a rep at doing something very hard.

00:52:30.160 | And you're gonna take this rep with you when you go next.

00:52:32.720 | If you miss that layup, babe, don't worry about it.

00:52:34.800 | If you get punched, this is gonna make you so good.

00:52:37.680 | The hard stuff makes you so good

00:52:40.320 | because it fortifies you.

00:52:41.680 | But you have to have that mindset

00:52:43.600 | that this is here to serve me.

00:52:45.120 | And one of my founding principles

00:52:46.480 | is that everything in my life is here to serve me.

00:52:48.240 | And all the hell I've had in my life

00:52:49.680 | has been in my own making.

00:52:50.560 | Because of choices or poor thinking

00:52:52.960 | or taking things for granted or over obsession.

00:52:55.760 | And I learned through all these things

00:52:57.120 | because it's there to serve me

00:52:58.240 | and it's there to help my soul grow.

00:53:00.000 | And yeah, I love learning from my children.

00:53:02.080 | They're little students.

00:53:03.600 | And mostly it's, I feel like the call for all of us,

00:53:06.240 | especially this day and age,

00:53:07.440 | is to treat ourselves how we would treat our best friend

00:53:09.840 | or to treat our children.

00:53:11.200 | If we F up, if we have a bad day, if we're in a hole,

00:53:13.920 | like how would you speak to your child about that?

00:53:15.840 | And it's not baby talk,

00:53:18.400 | but it's just like,

00:53:19.040 | you're never going to lay the hammer on them.

00:53:21.040 | Like you can be strict and you can be, you know,

00:53:23.360 | like have conviction,

00:53:24.320 | but it doesn't mean be an a-hole.

00:53:25.920 | And so I'm really trying to love myself

00:53:28.560 | and love my children in the same way

00:53:30.400 | so we can all grow in really holistic, healthy ways

00:53:33.040 | that center around like self-sourcing confidence,

00:53:36.240 | self-sourcing happiness,

00:53:37.600 | self-sourcing the feeling of success and satisfaction

00:53:40.320 | and not waiting for anyone,

00:53:41.680 | anything or anyone outside of us to save the day

00:53:43.840 | or to make us be happy

00:53:44.800 | or to make us feel accomplished.

00:53:46.560 | You know what I'm saying?

00:53:47.280 | - Yeah, yeah.

00:53:48.720 | Are they all following the footsteps in sports?

00:53:50.960 | - They're all little ballers.

00:53:52.400 | That's for sure.

00:53:53.120 | They're so cute.

00:53:54.240 | But they also, they're just, they're way more,

00:53:56.320 | they're more rangy than me.

00:53:57.920 | They like, they read and they write

00:54:00.640 | and my son sometimes says piano

00:54:02.560 | and Joey like is a love,

00:54:03.680 | he's a craftsman doing these things

00:54:05.520 | and Scoutie, my daughter's an artist.

00:54:07.200 | It's so cool the access these kids have today.

00:54:10.000 | And my husband's very, very good

00:54:11.520 | about getting the kids out of the house,

00:54:13.200 | about introducing them to new things.

00:54:15.040 | And we just see what sticks

00:54:16.560 | and we follow their curiosity

00:54:17.840 | and what lights them up.

00:54:18.640 | And it's really beautiful.

00:54:19.600 | - Yeah, I'm so excited.

00:54:21.440 | You know, we have one daughter and she's 16 months.

00:54:23.360 | - Yeah, have fun with her.

00:54:24.320 | - She's just starting.

00:54:25.600 | We're like, let's go to the library.

00:54:26.880 | Let's go to the zoo.

00:54:27.760 | Like you start to recognize things.

00:54:29.200 | So it's really exciting to get them out

00:54:31.280 | and show them the world

00:54:32.320 | and all of the things that there are all over the place.

00:54:35.120 | - Yeah, Chris and the relationship for a dad

00:54:37.680 | and their children is just,

00:54:38.960 | I've just witnessed this so much.

00:54:40.160 | I mean, it's obviously the mommy is sacred

00:54:42.480 | and it's so special,

00:54:43.360 | but daddies and daughters,

00:54:45.120 | daddies and sons is just such an essential relationship.

00:54:48.880 | And it's just,

00:54:49.840 | I'm so excited for you to create that with your daughter

00:54:52.080 | because when my husband's not around,

00:54:54.320 | my kids are different.

00:54:55.200 | Not that I'm not enough,

00:54:56.240 | but it's like they need both partners.

00:54:58.560 | And it's such a beautiful thing

00:55:01.600 | when a daddy is a great father.

00:55:03.920 | - I'm trying my best.

00:55:05.760 | - That changes lives.

00:55:08.320 | I remember the first time I realized my dad believed in me,

00:55:10.960 | it changed my whole life.

00:55:13.120 | Like I'm gonna cry.

00:55:13.840 | And literally that's why I'm doing this today

00:55:15.680 | because of that one day

00:55:16.960 | playing horse against my brother

00:55:18.240 | and our best friend who were so good at basketball.

00:55:20.640 | And he put his money on me

00:55:22.320 | and I swear to God,

00:55:23.040 | it changed my whole life, Chris.

00:55:24.160 | Like crazy.

00:55:24.960 | So that's the power of a mentor or a parent

00:55:28.160 | or a loved one believing in you.

00:55:29.840 | - Yeah, and that takes the same kind of presence

00:55:32.800 | that we talked about earlier

00:55:33.840 | to be there for those moments that believe in you.

00:55:36.560 | - Yeah, and you don't need to be perfect.

00:55:38.240 | You just need to be there.

00:55:39.360 | Sincerely, like sincerity is magic as well.

00:55:42.160 | It covers up all sorts of sins.

00:55:43.760 | It covers up all sorts of perfection

00:55:45.440 | because you're there sincerely.

00:55:46.720 | You're not trying to be or do or anything that you're not.

00:55:49.280 | It's awesome.

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00:59:08.160 | - So part of this podcast,

00:59:11.040 | there's a deep-rooted kind of love for travel.

00:59:14.160 | And I wanna go somewhere interesting.

00:59:17.120 | I looked online and you've played 149 tournaments

00:59:20.720 | outside of the US,

00:59:21.760 | which means in, by my count, 29 countries.

00:59:24.720 | Any hacks from all these travel,

00:59:26.160 | like what you do when you travel

00:59:27.680 | to make it more enjoyable other than upgrades?

00:59:30.240 | - Yeah, upgrades, number one.

00:59:32.800 | I definitely bring a lot of hydration.

00:59:34.480 | I think the water they give,

00:59:36.080 | I just, I'm not a big fan of the food

00:59:37.600 | or anything on airplanes.

00:59:38.640 | Thank goodness for it, but I'm not a big fan.

00:59:40.160 | So I source my own food, my own water.

00:59:42.480 | I always bring a lacrosse ball or a softball

00:59:44.960 | to put in my back.

00:59:46.160 | It's like we all get back problems

00:59:47.280 | when we're sitting down or my hips.

00:59:48.800 | And that kind of is a distraction for my body

00:59:51.120 | and it helps relieve some pain and pressure.

00:59:53.360 | And to me, I can't travel without it.

00:59:54.960 | I'll roll my feet out, I'll roll my back.

00:59:56.560 | And people think I'm weird, but it's like I need it.

00:59:59.280 | There's these devices called Firefly recovery devices.

01:00:03.520 | And basically it's this little device

01:00:05.120 | that you wrap around your knee

01:00:06.160 | and it's a pressure point that helps flush.

01:00:08.640 | Like, you know how we all get cankles when we fly?

01:00:10.800 | So it helps flush the circulation.

01:00:13.200 | So, and it has a little vibration.

01:00:15.680 | So you feel that distraction

01:00:17.600 | and then you keep your circulation going,

01:00:20.560 | which to me is really important.

01:00:21.920 | It was so cool.

01:00:22.960 | These things, Firefly was developed

01:00:24.480 | for people who have surgery, like leg surgery,

01:00:26.560 | and they have a lot of swelling

01:00:27.520 | and it just helps the recovery process.

01:00:29.440 | So a lot of athletes do this after big matches, long days,

01:00:32.400 | they put this device on them and it helps them recover.

01:00:34.720 | I've brought TENS units, a STEM machine.

01:00:37.760 | I've bought that.

01:00:38.560 | If you're miserable,

01:00:40.320 | you're going to try to find a way to alleviate pain.

01:00:42.400 | And that was a huge one for me.

01:00:44.080 | That was a really, really good one for me.

01:00:45.600 | So just stuff like that.

01:00:47.520 | I bring always a good book, make sure I have my charger,

01:00:50.880 | have all the essentials done

01:00:52.240 | 'cause I'll panic if my phone dies.

01:00:53.680 | - Yeah.

01:00:54.160 | - Stuff like that, a pillow.

01:00:55.920 | - Any place that you just love to go

01:00:58.720 | that you plan repeat trips to?

01:01:00.960 | - I rarely traveled for enjoyment.

01:01:03.120 | It's always been on the circuit.

01:01:04.160 | So we always go, once a year, we go to Stad, Switzerland,

01:01:07.280 | which is one of my favorite towns in the whole wide world.

01:01:09.520 | It's at the base of the Alps, cobblestone streets,

01:01:11.840 | just a typical, beautiful Swiss village.

01:01:14.480 | Love it there.

01:01:15.840 | You should go there, free on your miles.

01:01:17.600 | They have one of the most amazing hotels called the Alpine

01:01:20.080 | that has, it makes, it puts no boot to shame.

01:01:23.440 | Their sushi restaurant, it's incredible.

01:01:26.480 | And then I love Paris with all my heart.

01:01:29.360 | But yeah, we've gone to some really remarkable places.

01:01:31.520 | I'm more of a European traveler than an Asian traveler,

01:01:34.880 | even though I had really great experiences in Asia.

01:01:37.040 | I just, I have more of a,

01:01:38.560 | I think I'm more comfortable over there.

01:01:40.000 | - Yeah.

01:01:40.720 | I hope you get to, I don't want to push off retirement,

01:01:43.360 | especially knowing how much you love Paris.

01:01:45.040 | - Yeah, I know.

01:01:45.440 | - Paris coming up in a few years.

01:01:47.040 | But I hope that whenever that day comes,

01:01:48.880 | you get to start traveling more for fun.

01:01:50.480 | - Yeah, thank you.

01:01:51.680 | I, it's part of the, it's part of the vision board.

01:01:53.680 | I'm a very big believer in vision boards

01:01:55.200 | and you got to see it,

01:01:56.880 | you got to see it to bring it into your life

01:01:58.320 | and your experience and travel is one of my loves for sure.

01:02:01.280 | I just, I want it with my family more often than not.

01:02:03.680 | Like when my kids, you know, get older,

01:02:05.120 | I can't wait to travel with my husband.

01:02:06.400 | Traveling is just such a beautiful gift.

01:02:08.000 | - It's funny, we've talked about your retirement,

01:02:10.480 | but you started a company.

01:02:12.320 | And so it's funny that even if you stop playing volleyball,

01:02:15.120 | you're not stopping working.

01:02:16.160 | - I can't, I can't afford it.

01:02:19.920 | - I mean, it's funny because you, you're a pro athlete.

01:02:24.000 | You talked about how you didn't have enough time

01:02:25.920 | to balance work on the, on the court and your family.

01:02:28.720 | And yet you started a company.

01:02:29.920 | What inspired you to take one other huge thing on

01:02:34.400 | in your life with, with almost no free time?

01:02:37.280 | - Well, as with everything in my life,

01:02:39.680 | the team, it makes everything possible.

01:02:41.360 | This is not a solo mission.

01:02:42.640 | Otherwise this would have lasted maybe half a day

01:02:45.360 | because being an entrepreneur, as you know,

01:02:46.960 | is as gnarly as it gets.

01:02:48.240 | It makes being an Olympian like a walk in the park.

01:02:51.920 | Like as far as I'm concerned, you know, being an athlete,

01:02:54.640 | like I just love that I live and die based on my own results.

01:02:57.680 | Being an entrepreneur, there's so many more variables,

01:03:00.960 | different people's timelines and all these things.

01:03:03.040 | So I really have a lot of respect

01:03:04.320 | for the entrepreneurs out there.

01:03:05.760 | A lot of the things that are required to be a great athlete

01:03:07.680 | are required to be a great entrepreneur,

01:03:09.680 | which I really respect.

01:03:10.640 | So I've, I've good training there.

01:03:12.080 | Sport has given me everything in, in my life.

01:03:14.320 | It gave me my husband.

01:03:15.280 | I've been all around the world.

01:03:16.480 | I got a college scholarship.

01:03:17.760 | I've learned so many valuable life lessons.

01:03:19.840 | And so I really want to lead the sport better

01:03:22.240 | than when I showed up.

01:03:23.600 | And the sport of volleyball is so underserved

01:03:25.600 | as we talked about before,

01:03:26.720 | not just in prize money and people's ability to earn,

01:03:29.440 | but just, just in growth

01:03:31.120 | and the way the market responds to us,

01:03:32.800 | there's huge opportunity there.

01:03:34.320 | And so within 1440,

01:03:35.920 | we're just here to serve the community that is very hungry,

01:03:38.320 | that is very underserved, that is very deserving.

01:03:40.720 | You know, so we have two sides of us.

01:03:42.480 | We have our event side where we allow,

01:03:44.800 | where we create opportunities,

01:03:45.920 | where these kids can compete at events.

01:03:48.240 | We just started this year where

01:03:50.160 | at the end of our six event series,

01:03:51.840 | it's called the Futures Tour.

01:03:53.280 | The top 40 points earners are going to earn

01:03:55.760 | over $110,000 to go toward their club fees

01:03:59.920 | and toward their pursuit of a college scholarship.

01:04:03.040 | So we love that we're easing that pain point

01:04:04.800 | because it's a really expensive proposition

01:04:06.400 | to be a club sport athlete these days.

01:04:08.080 | So the Futures Tour is allowing us to give back

01:04:09.920 | so they get to compete at a high level

01:04:11.360 | and then earn prize money to go

01:04:13.200 | toward subsidizing their futures, which is beautiful.

01:04:16.000 | And then we have the digital program side of us

01:04:17.840 | where it's all about health and wellness and volleyball.

01:04:20.160 | And so we can train you in all sorts of things.

01:04:21.920 | So it's pretty powerful.

01:04:23.920 | I'm honored to do it.

01:04:25.120 | It's a really hard job.

01:04:27.120 | I'm in this chair most days on Zoom calls all day

01:04:31.120 | and sending emails.

01:04:32.000 | And that's actually another driver

01:04:33.280 | for me not to retire yet

01:04:34.400 | because this is a different kind of hard

01:04:36.320 | and I'm out of practice with it.

01:04:37.840 | And it's not my favorite,

01:04:39.200 | but the community we're growing and building

01:04:41.520 | and the impact we're having

01:04:43.520 | and we continue to grow into, it makes it worth it.

01:04:46.560 | So I'm willing to be uncomfortable

01:04:48.000 | for those things I love, like I mentioned before,

01:04:49.840 | but shit, this is just crazy.

01:04:52.160 | - Yeah, I've started companies and it is a lot of work.

01:04:55.680 | Are there specific things that you have learned

01:04:59.360 | as an athlete that you think

01:05:01.360 | people listening to this in business

01:05:03.040 | would benefit from learning

01:05:04.160 | that you've applied running the company?

01:05:06.480 | - Well, all of it really.

01:05:08.320 | I mean, just consistency.

01:05:10.080 | You know that we are our habits,

01:05:11.840 | so make sure your habits are on point.

01:05:13.840 | I really, one of the first lessons I learned

01:05:15.760 | through our investor who's incredible,

01:05:17.360 | her name's Teresa,

01:05:18.400 | is that every time we have a board call

01:05:21.200 | or a financial call,

01:05:22.640 | like she tackles the hardest thing first.

01:05:24.400 | Like money makes me really uncomfortable, right?

01:05:26.080 | It like makes me scream.

01:05:27.120 | And on every call I've ever been on

01:05:28.560 | when money is involved,

01:05:29.520 | usually it happens at the end

01:05:30.640 | and we're all dreading this call

01:05:31.600 | if we're on here for an hour.

01:05:32.640 | And at the end we get to the nitty gritty.

01:05:34.400 | She tackles the hardest thing first

01:05:36.320 | and it changes everything.

01:05:37.760 | And it allows for so much more freedom

01:05:39.360 | and engagement.

01:05:40.000 | And to me, that was very, very powerful.

01:05:41.920 | When you're on a phone call,

01:05:43.600 | just address what needs to be addressed

01:05:45.120 | candidly, respectfully,

01:05:47.440 | and just get the hard part over with first.

01:05:49.280 | I think the importance of resilience,

01:05:51.040 | that resilience is a choice.

01:05:52.800 | Resilience is a mindset,

01:05:54.080 | is really, really important

01:05:55.200 | because as we all know,

01:05:56.240 | as in life and being an entrepreneur,

01:05:58.560 | you're going to take hits

01:05:59.680 | you never saw coming.

01:06:00.880 | You're going to stumble,

01:06:01.760 | you know, kind of risks you took

01:06:03.280 | are not going to pan out.

01:06:04.160 | And so you have to be resilient.

01:06:05.440 | You have to be nimble.

01:06:06.400 | Let's know what your goal is,

01:06:07.600 | but be very flexible in getting there.

01:06:09.520 | That's been a theme in my career for sure,

01:06:12.480 | because nothing is linear.

01:06:13.600 | Leaning on your teammates,

01:06:15.440 | having hard conversations,

01:06:16.960 | getting dirty with the things,

01:06:19.280 | you know, don't like,

01:06:20.160 | if you have an idea,

01:06:20.960 | like see it through execution,

01:06:22.320 | don't just throw your idea to your team

01:06:23.760 | and expect it to come out the end

01:06:25.520 | where you want it to be.

01:06:26.560 | You got to stick with the process type of thing.

01:06:28.880 | So all these beautiful things,

01:06:30.320 | it's really, really important.

01:06:31.280 | And then just, I really believe that

01:06:33.280 | so much in life,

01:06:34.080 | everything in life is energy

01:06:35.600 | and so much of the success

01:06:37.040 | and satisfaction of life

01:06:38.000 | comes from a mindset.

01:06:39.360 | And so one of my favorite quotes is,

01:06:41.360 | it's not the weight you carry,

01:06:42.720 | it's the way you carry it.

01:06:44.400 | And so as we go through hard things in business

01:06:46.800 | and the, you know,

01:06:47.760 | it's like we keep being overloaded

01:06:49.280 | with all this weight and stress

01:06:50.720 | and burdens and challenges.

01:06:52.400 | It's like, how are you going to carry your weight?

01:06:53.680 | Are you going to carry it like it's heavy?

01:06:54.880 | Are you going to carry it like you got it?

01:06:56.400 | You know, and that's kind of metaphorical,

01:06:57.760 | like with your thinking,

01:06:59.280 | with your emotional state,

01:07:00.640 | with your physicality,

01:07:01.680 | like I got this.

01:07:03.120 | That mentality is really,

01:07:04.320 | really important, obviously,

01:07:05.520 | when you're an entrepreneur,

01:07:06.480 | because you have to find a way.

01:07:07.360 | It's your job, you know?

01:07:08.400 | - Yeah, yeah.

01:07:09.200 | It's literally, I've had moments where it's like,

01:07:10.720 | there's no person above you.

01:07:12.560 | Like you have to solve the problem.

01:07:14.000 | Like in so many parts of life,

01:07:16.240 | if you're, you could pass it on

01:07:17.520 | or you can get advice,

01:07:18.240 | but like at the end of the day,

01:07:19.520 | you're like, I don't have a choice.

01:07:21.280 | I have to solve this problem.

01:07:22.480 | It has to be done.

01:07:23.200 | - Yes.

01:07:23.520 | - And I'm jealous of all the training

01:07:25.040 | you had solving difficult things

01:07:26.800 | before you jumped into entrepreneurship.

01:07:28.560 | And I'm excited to see what the future entails.

01:07:32.320 | And I've had the fortunate benefit

01:07:34.960 | of being able to see some,

01:07:36.320 | you know, live beach volleyball games,

01:07:38.560 | which I think, you know,

01:07:39.840 | Trump's seen it on TV.

01:07:41.360 | So I hope some of the tours

01:07:43.040 | you guys are putting on

01:07:44.000 | are in places that people listening

01:07:45.280 | get a chance to go see it,

01:07:46.320 | because, you know,

01:07:47.760 | you said it's the number one sport in the Olympics.

01:07:49.440 | Seeing it in person is next level.

01:07:51.120 | - It is next level.

01:07:52.800 | Yeah, it's such a big fun party.

01:07:54.720 | It's so inspiring.

01:07:55.840 | I think it's, like I said earlier,

01:07:57.680 | like encouragement is so important.

01:07:59.120 | I think it's so important

01:08:00.320 | just to create like moments of inspiration

01:08:02.720 | in your days

01:08:03.280 | and to seek out the inspiration in your life.

01:08:05.200 | And like the sport of volleyball is one thing.

01:08:07.280 | Like I love watching the Warriors.

01:08:08.720 | I love beautiful art.

01:08:10.160 | Like I just,

01:08:10.880 | I think it's upon each of ourselves

01:08:13.200 | to curate our life experience

01:08:15.200 | and our environments

01:08:16.080 | and what we introduce into our lives.

01:08:17.680 | And yeah, choosing, inspiring,

01:08:19.840 | encouraging things are beautiful.

01:08:21.120 | - Yeah, I think I've shared this before,

01:08:22.800 | but I'll share it with you.

01:08:23.760 | One thing that I started doing

01:08:25.120 | was I created a spreadsheet

01:08:27.280 | and every month I have to do

01:08:29.120 | some memorable, inspiring experience.

01:08:31.520 | - Rad.

01:08:32.080 | - And usually it just,

01:08:34.080 | I'm fortunate that something happens

01:08:35.840 | and I'm like, great, it happened.

01:08:37.120 | But it's come the 25th of the month,

01:08:39.360 | if there's nothing, I'm like,

01:08:40.800 | we gotta go do something.

01:08:41.920 | Like whether it's a new museum,

01:08:43.440 | whether it's a show,

01:08:44.240 | whether like it has to be something,

01:08:45.920 | we can't have done it before.

01:08:47.520 | It has to be something

01:08:48.240 | that we wouldn't just regularly do.

01:08:50.400 | And so I have this list from 2015

01:08:53.280 | of all of the things that happened each month.

01:08:55.440 | There were a few months during COVID

01:08:56.960 | where there just wasn't a thing.

01:08:58.400 | And I was like, I have the choice

01:09:00.400 | of trying to make something up and say,

01:09:02.400 | oh, we did this little thing.

01:09:03.840 | And so I just took the L

01:09:05.440 | and said for these three months,

01:09:07.120 | we just did nothing.

01:09:08.000 | And I failed for those.

01:09:09.360 | - You're forgiven.

01:09:10.640 | - Yeah, but going forward, it's coming back.

01:09:13.760 | And each month it's let's do something memorable

01:09:16.960 | because my, I can't remember where this came from,

01:09:20.000 | but I couldn't imagine a world

01:09:22.000 | where you look back

01:09:23.360 | and there was a month long period of your life

01:09:25.360 | where there was nothing memorable that happened.

01:09:27.600 | And so I started documenting,

01:09:29.680 | making sure that something happened

01:09:31.360 | and it's been really awesome to do.

01:09:32.960 | - That's incredible.

01:09:34.560 | What a great suggestion for all of us.

01:09:36.480 | You're so right.

01:09:37.120 | Like we're just all automatons

01:09:38.800 | and just walking through life.

01:09:39.920 | And I know we have high moments

01:09:41.200 | and low moments in every day,

01:09:42.640 | but like creating memories.

01:09:44.000 | And that to me is like the power

01:09:45.520 | of intention and commitment.

01:09:46.640 | You're committed to it

01:09:47.520 | and your enthusiasm when you spoke about it,

01:09:49.920 | like that's awesome.

01:09:51.680 | I think it's really powerful, good work.

01:09:53.120 | - It's not hard.

01:09:53.840 | It's just do something new and fun.

01:09:55.600 | It doesn't have to be expensive.

01:09:57.040 | So I encourage everyone to do that.

01:09:58.480 | - And commit to it.

01:09:59.760 | Commit, you commit.

01:10:00.480 | The decision is the most important part

01:10:01.920 | of the journey, right?

01:10:03.120 | Once you commit, don't hedge your bets, like go.

01:10:04.960 | - Well, this has been fantastic.

01:10:06.960 | Before we go,

01:10:08.000 | where can people follow what you're doing?

01:10:11.120 | Find out what you decide in June

01:10:13.200 | and kind of track you along the way.

01:10:16.000 | - I would be greatly honored

01:10:17.520 | if people could follow @platform1440

01:10:19.920 | across all social channels.

01:10:21.280 | I am @caroleewalsh across all social channels.

01:10:24.400 | P1440.com is really important.

01:10:26.400 | - Yeah, we're going to have

01:10:27.360 | some new digital program coming out,

01:10:29.440 | programs coming out early in the year,

01:10:31.760 | 2022, which is madness.

01:10:33.200 | For 1440, that's all centered on resetting

01:10:36.240 | and just, it's like an initiation,

01:10:38.240 | like starting your year off powerfully

01:10:40.000 | and getting rid of the baggage

01:10:40.960 | so you can create the 2022 of your dreams.

01:10:43.600 | And it's all centered on body, mind, and spirit.

01:10:45.440 | I really like that trifecta.

01:10:46.720 | So you'll get some strength training,

01:10:48.000 | some agility training,

01:10:49.040 | some mindfulness training,

01:10:50.240 | and some nutrition as well.

01:10:51.360 | So all that stuff is really fun for me to share.

01:10:53.120 | So I encourage everyone to check that out.

01:10:55.200 | But no, but thank you for this, Chris.

01:10:56.880 | This was really fun.

01:10:57.760 | I'm really proud of you.

01:10:59.680 | I'm very excited that your success makes sense

01:11:02.400 | with your podcast

01:11:03.920 | for the way you lead a conversation.

01:11:05.520 | Great job.

01:11:05.920 | - Yeah, thank you so much for being here.

01:11:07.840 | - Yeah, you're welcome.

01:11:09.280 | (upbeat music)

01:11:11.400 | - I really hope you enjoyed this episode.

01:11:13.280 | Thank you so much for listening.

01:11:14.960 | If you haven't already left a rating

01:11:16.480 | and a review for the show

01:11:17.840 | in Apple Podcasts or Spotify,

01:11:19.920 | I would really appreciate it.

01:11:21.680 | Especially Spotify,

01:11:22.960 | since they just added podcast ratings.

01:11:25.600 | And if you have any feedback on the show,

01:11:27.200 | questions for me,

01:11:28.080 | or just want to say hi,

01:11:29.520 | I'm Chris@allthehacks.com

01:11:31.840 | or @hutchins on Twitter.

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