Ep.11 - Vietnam mission trip update

00:00:00.000 | I am committing right now to align my entire future to that.

00:00:04.280 | It's like a personal fork in the road.

00:00:05.840 | Yeah.

00:00:06.160 | So I said, I am going to align my life.

00:00:08.720 | And then after that prayer, I was like, I don't want to open this Bible.

00:00:11.300 | What would you say to our church about Vietnam?

00:00:13.340 | Vietnam is kind of at the brink of some sort of spiritual revival.

00:00:19.620 | All right, hello.

00:00:25.440 | Welcome to the official, unofficial Acts 2 Network podcast.

00:00:28.700 | Welcome.

00:00:29.180 | Where we are launching lifelong kingdom workers from every college town.

00:00:32.200 | My name is Stephen.

00:00:32.840 | I'm Isaiah.

00:00:33.400 | And today we have Pastor Daniel and Sarah.

00:00:35.380 | Thank you guys for coming on.

00:00:37.220 | Yeah.

00:00:37.660 | We want to talk to you guys a lot about foreign missions.

00:00:40.340 | You guys recently came back from leading one of our teams to visit our foreign mission teams

00:00:45.520 | there and provide some support and help and that sort of thing.

00:00:47.980 | But before we do, why don't you guys just introduce yourselves a little bit?

00:00:51.180 | What's your current role in our network?

00:00:53.260 | Yeah.

00:00:54.580 | What year did you graduate?

00:00:55.480 | Who's your peers, I guess?

00:00:57.140 | And yeah, that sort of thing.

00:00:58.500 | Yeah, I'm Daniel and I guess I'm a director.

00:01:03.700 | I mean, I now live in SoCal in LA, West LA.

00:01:07.540 | So I oversee a lot of the SoCal churches, inner SoCal, mostly inner SoCal, like UCLA, USC,

00:01:16.160 | those campus ministries.

00:01:18.280 | I mean, there's leaders there already, but then where I'm just kind of like hanging out.

00:01:21.500 | That's a bug.

00:01:23.800 | It's like, what's going on here?

00:01:27.120 | Someone's got to do it.

00:01:29.440 | Yeah, somebody's got to do that.

00:01:30.660 | Somebody's got to look in.

00:01:32.460 | Hey, hey, how's it going?

00:01:33.440 | What is the director?

00:01:35.600 | So I graduated in 1995.

00:01:36.960 | Okay.

00:01:37.560 | 1995 as an electrical engineering, computer science major.

00:01:41.580 | I think I was the first one in our church.

00:01:43.160 | Really?

00:01:43.680 | Yeah.

00:01:44.200 | No, I'm sure there were others before you.

00:01:47.000 | What?

00:01:47.580 | Who?

00:01:47.780 | Name one.

00:01:48.720 | I mean, they're not here anymore.

00:01:49.980 | I don't think they were all either doctors or lawyers.

00:01:53.020 | I was the first nerd.

00:01:55.340 | I'm very proud of it.

00:01:58.300 | Yeah.

00:01:58.580 | Yeah, that might be, huh?

00:02:00.680 | What did Peter talk about?

00:02:01.940 | No, Mackey.

00:02:02.780 | Oh, Mackey.

00:02:03.480 | Yeah, Mackey.

00:02:04.280 | Oh, yeah.

00:02:05.480 | All right, yeah.

00:02:06.500 | Okay, I'm Sarah.

00:02:07.660 | I graduated in 1994.

00:02:09.500 | I was an English major, and then I went to law school, and now I'm directing SoCal.

00:02:14.980 | SoCal churches.

00:02:15.680 | Hovering next to Pastor Daniel.

00:02:17.580 | Cool, cool.

00:02:20.960 | So, you know, I think sometimes we think of directors, like, whoa,

00:02:24.600 | we're like, you're the directors.

00:02:25.600 | You must have, I don't know, grown up on Director Island

00:02:27.860 | and fallen off a director tree or something like that.

00:02:30.480 | But you guys were college students back in 95, so 91.

00:02:33.840 | That was when we were one years old.

00:02:35.620 | Yeah.

00:02:36.200 | Some of the people listening to this podcast weren't before yet.

00:02:38.100 | Yeah, so how did it all begin?

00:02:40.780 | Like, when did you first come to our church as college students?

00:02:43.760 | Yeah, as you become Christian, that sort of, yeah.

00:02:46.840 | Yeah.

00:02:47.020 | Well, I became a Christian before our church.

00:02:49.840 | I was a sophomore in high school.

00:02:51.860 | I became a Christian, and I was looking for, actually,

00:02:54.580 | a church that would disciple me.

00:02:55.800 | I came, but then I was actually a kind of a lone ranger.

00:02:58.840 | I, yeah, I experienced some pretty extreme hypocrisy

00:03:04.220 | in the old church that I was attending.

00:03:07.900 | I mean, I'm talking, like, pretty, like,

00:03:10.800 | during the church congregational meeting,

00:03:14.180 | we had to call the police because the elders started to get into fistfights.

00:03:17.640 | You know what I'm saying?

00:03:18.240 | It's like, it was that kind of a situation.

00:03:19.820 | Someone else today also said that.

00:03:21.600 | Oh, really?

00:03:22.160 | It's a Korean thing.

00:03:23.240 | Yeah, yeah.

00:03:24.060 | Taekwondo, you know.

00:03:24.940 | That's what happens.

00:03:26.200 | So, I was like, oh, church is a failed institution.

00:03:29.700 | So, then I just kind of came in with that kind of baggage

00:03:33.400 | and saying, oh, church is not really necessary.

00:03:36.580 | But I did go to church, you know, with our church,

00:03:39.940 | and then I would go back every other weekend

00:03:41.580 | to the San Jose church that I came from.

00:03:43.880 | So, I just go back.

00:03:44.600 | You wanted intense establishment,

00:03:46.220 | but you're also, like, lone ranger.

00:03:47.520 | Yeah.

00:03:48.380 | kind of thing.

00:03:48.780 | Yeah.

00:03:49.020 | Just help me along my path.

00:03:51.020 | Kind of, that's what church was for.

00:03:52.760 | I thought the church was for that.

00:03:54.680 | How lone ranger were you?

00:03:56.120 | Like, what do you, like?

00:03:56.860 | Yeah, I would, like, I went.

00:03:59.460 | Nobody knew who he was.

00:04:00.620 | Did you know who he was?

00:04:02.360 | I didn't know.

00:04:02.880 | I didn't know who he was.

00:04:04.120 | Yeah.

00:04:04.520 | So, you came on, like, Sundays, I guess.

00:04:06.100 | I came on Sundays.

00:04:06.920 | Sometimes.

00:04:07.580 | And Fridays.

00:04:08.600 | I did come on Friday.

00:04:09.760 | I just took off.

00:04:10.300 | But only, like, sporadically,

00:04:11.500 | because you went to the other church.

00:04:12.780 | So, I would do that.

00:04:15.400 | And I went on two lone ranger mission trips

00:04:20.140 | to China, actually.

00:04:21.720 | Wow.

00:04:22.100 | By myself.

00:04:22.980 | And I got dropped off at a, you know,

00:04:25.780 | at a village.

00:04:26.520 | And then, well, I thought that the missionary

00:04:29.320 | that I was, like, I had contact with

00:04:31.580 | would be with me.

00:04:32.860 | But he just dropped me off.

00:04:33.780 | Yeah.

00:04:33.980 | He just dropped me off

00:04:35.380 | because I'll see you in a week.

00:04:36.140 | And I'm like, okay.

00:04:37.060 | But then, I thought it was really cool.

00:04:39.780 | And it was, like,

00:04:40.440 | so, then I taught some people over there.

00:04:43.380 | Actually, it was right above North Korea.

00:04:45.320 | So, they spoke North Korean.

00:04:46.420 | I mean, Korean.

00:04:46.980 | Yeah.

00:04:47.320 | So, I was able to communicate.

00:04:48.380 | Okay.

00:04:48.900 | So, then, after that,

00:04:50.380 | it was actually,

00:04:50.880 | that mission trip had good and bad.

00:04:52.620 | I was really touched.

00:04:53.800 | And I felt like this was

00:04:55.000 | what life is meant for.

00:04:56.240 | But at the same time,

00:04:57.000 | like, my lone rangerism

00:04:58.080 | just grew more and more

00:04:59.320 | deeply entrenched.

00:04:59.780 | It's like I could do it myself.

00:05:00.500 | Yeah.

00:05:01.480 | Wow.

00:05:01.960 | So.

00:05:02.480 | Oh, so, for me,

00:05:05.960 | I came into college

00:05:06.860 | wanting to run away from church.

00:05:08.240 | I grew up going to church

00:05:09.280 | all my life.

00:05:09.920 | But I met some guys

00:05:11.520 | who were doing Bible study

00:05:13.000 | with Pastor Ed,

00:05:14.180 | Isaac's dad.

00:05:15.100 | He was, like,

00:05:16.240 | our class baby, actually.

00:05:17.440 | He was a one-year-old.

00:05:18.680 | You were their class baby.

00:05:19.680 | Yeah, he was.

00:05:20.500 | I have no memory of that.

00:05:21.660 | Really?

00:05:22.800 | Yeah.

00:05:23.940 | And then,

00:05:24.560 | they changed a lot.

00:05:26.260 | And they were so excited

00:05:27.660 | about the Bible.

00:05:28.280 | So, when I started

00:05:29.460 | getting spiritually hungry,

00:05:30.460 | I wanted to go

00:05:31.920 | where they were going.

00:05:32.780 | And so,

00:05:33.580 | I started coming

00:05:34.300 | and became a Christian

00:05:35.300 | at the end of my junior year.

00:05:36.840 | and that's about

00:05:37.680 | the same time

00:05:38.320 | I noticed him

00:05:39.020 | because he suddenly

00:05:40.020 | appeared in this

00:05:41.640 | church production.

00:05:42.460 | And he was really funny.

00:05:43.500 | Christian festival.

00:05:44.140 | That's when I started

00:05:45.340 | to finally come regularly.

00:05:45.780 | I didn't notice him,

00:05:46.240 | notice him.

00:05:46.720 | I just, like,

00:05:47.340 | recognized that,

00:05:49.100 | oh, there's that guy.

00:05:49.900 | Who's that guy?

00:05:51.320 | What role were you in?

00:05:53.360 | I played the role

00:05:56.060 | of, like,

00:05:56.520 | the,

00:05:56.740 | this Asian,

00:05:59.960 | It was very,

00:06:01.060 | un-PC.

00:06:02.080 | Very un-PC.

00:06:02.960 | But I was just,

00:06:04.180 | I was a doctor,

00:06:04.940 | I was, like,

00:06:05.480 | a person.

00:06:06.320 | A Chinese,

00:06:06.560 | um,

00:06:07.480 | like, yeah.

00:06:08.700 | Heavy Chinese accent.

00:06:09.620 | Three days!

00:06:10.620 | I was basically

00:06:11.800 | a resurrection on trial.

00:06:12.740 | It was, like,

00:06:12.980 | an apologetics

00:06:13.580 | about resurrection

00:06:14.400 | of Jesus.

00:06:15.640 | And I had the,

00:06:17.020 | I had this,

00:06:17.820 | yeah.

00:06:18.120 | The role where it's,

00:06:19.280 | like,

00:06:19.420 | three days,

00:06:20.160 | too long.

00:06:20.780 | Three hours,

00:06:22.380 | maybe.

00:06:22.760 | Oh, that's,

00:06:23.500 | three minutes,

00:06:24.160 | maybe.

00:06:24.500 | And we had no Chinese

00:06:25.620 | people back then,

00:06:26.320 | so that was offensive.

00:06:27.200 | My question is,

00:06:29.020 | why make it a Chinese?

00:06:30.380 | Because he was supposed

00:06:31.820 | to be, like,

00:06:32.260 | a lab,

00:06:32.760 | like a lab.

00:06:33.360 | Yeah, like,

00:06:34.020 | scientists.

00:06:34.380 | Scientists are Chinese.

00:06:35.940 | Well, it was supposed

00:06:36.660 | to be Korean,

00:06:37.220 | I guess,

00:06:37.580 | but I just made it

00:06:38.240 | into Chinese.

00:06:38.720 | So that's just,

00:06:39.640 | that's just how it worked.

00:06:40.600 | Got it.

00:06:40.840 | Different,

00:06:41.400 | different era.

00:06:41.960 | Yeah.

00:06:42.340 | Yeah,

00:06:43.400 | we've come a long way.

00:06:44.380 | that was too much.

00:06:45.260 | Yeah.

00:06:45.880 | Wow.

00:06:46.760 | All right.

00:06:47.480 | So what made you guys

00:06:48.760 | want to stay

00:06:49.840 | in our church

00:06:51.020 | and continue to do ministry?

00:06:52.240 | I mean,

00:06:52.560 | you've done it for now

00:06:53.380 | 30-something years.

00:06:54.580 | For me,

00:06:56.080 | I think it was a huge

00:06:57.940 | repentance

00:06:59.500 | that happened

00:07:00.140 | in the senior year.

00:07:00.860 | My perception

00:07:04.080 | of Christian,

00:07:05.400 | Christian life

00:07:06.500 | was a lone ranger,

00:07:07.680 | a lone path,

00:07:09.160 | journey

00:07:10.060 | towards spiritual maturity

00:07:11.900 | and church

00:07:12.420 | was supposed to sort of

00:07:13.160 | be the stepping stone

00:07:14.140 | that I step on

00:07:14.940 | different churches

00:07:16.360 | to kind of

00:07:16.920 | go along the way.

00:07:18.300 | And I guess

00:07:21.700 | that was a question

00:07:22.460 | that kind of arose

00:07:23.460 | to me around that time.

00:07:24.900 | It was like,

00:07:25.320 | hey,

00:07:25.900 | regardless of what church,

00:07:28.520 | we're not talking

00:07:28.920 | about which church,

00:07:29.560 | but would I,

00:07:31.340 | would I commit

00:07:32.680 | to any church

00:07:33.360 | in the future?

00:07:33.840 | Would I commit

00:07:36.180 | to any church?

00:07:36.980 | and I kind of knew

00:07:38.600 | that the right answer

00:07:39.980 | is yes?

00:07:40.580 | Like some church,

00:07:42.220 | I should commit

00:07:42.900 | to some church.

00:07:43.580 | But I didn't really know,

00:07:47.480 | like I was like,

00:07:48.060 | I don't think I would.

00:07:49.400 | So then that really

00:07:50.980 | started to kind of

00:07:52.360 | bother me.

00:07:53.680 | And I remember

00:07:55.820 | just struggling

00:07:57.000 | about that

00:07:57.540 | for a long,

00:07:58.080 | long time,

00:07:58.620 | for about a month,

00:07:59.640 | actually.

00:08:00.100 | about a month,

00:08:00.720 | I was just kind of

00:08:01.420 | struggling with it

00:08:02.400 | in a pretty intense way

00:08:03.780 | because I wanted

00:08:05.280 | an answer to

00:08:06.620 | what place

00:08:08.340 | does a church hold

00:08:09.300 | in a Christian life?

00:08:10.300 | That's interesting.

00:08:12.080 | You had such a strong sense

00:08:13.240 | that like it should,

00:08:14.240 | but then I wouldn't.

00:08:15.960 | So like,

00:08:16.480 | why is that?

00:08:17.080 | Yeah.

00:08:17.420 | It's really interesting.

00:08:17.880 | Well,

00:08:18.980 | I guess maybe

00:08:19.800 | I didn't even know

00:08:20.500 | if that was the right answer.

00:08:21.660 | I just had an inkling

00:08:22.600 | that it might be

00:08:23.060 | the right answer.

00:08:23.580 | So I wanted to find,

00:08:24.460 | I wanted to kind of,

00:08:26.020 | yeah,

00:08:26.280 | search the scriptures

00:08:27.020 | or something like that.

00:08:27.780 | But then

00:08:28.120 | I knew that

00:08:30.040 | I could pick

00:08:30.560 | and choose any verse

00:08:31.600 | to justify

00:08:32.580 | a Lone Ranger

00:08:33.440 | Christian life

00:08:34.200 | versus like a Christian life

00:08:36.820 | as it is supposed

00:08:37.640 | to be a community

00:08:38.360 | kind of life.

00:08:39.000 | So then

00:08:40.180 | I just went

00:08:41.600 | back and forth

00:08:42.160 | on this.

00:08:42.660 | And then one day

00:08:44.380 | I just,

00:08:44.680 | well,

00:08:45.380 | my small group leader

00:08:47.040 | said,

00:08:47.200 | hey,

00:08:47.380 | let's go to

00:08:48.720 | our entire small group

00:08:50.580 | decided to go

00:08:51.180 | to a reading retreat

00:08:52.080 | to this scary

00:08:54.140 | Catholic place

00:08:55.560 | called the Mercy Center

00:08:57.120 | where like the

00:08:57.820 | paintings like

00:08:58.460 | look at you

00:08:59.040 | in dark hallways.

00:09:01.080 | Yeah,

00:09:01.940 | so it's like that.

00:09:02.800 | But then it was like

00:09:03.760 | reading retreat back then

00:09:04.700 | was a really

00:09:05.380 | a reading retreat

00:09:05.980 | because,

00:09:06.180 | you know,

00:09:06.340 | this is remember,

00:09:06.820 | this is before

00:09:07.480 | like cell phones

00:09:08.120 | or smartphones

00:09:08.520 | or anything like that.

00:09:09.240 | And each of us

00:09:11.640 | was,

00:09:12.000 | we got one room

00:09:12.980 | and we got into

00:09:14.240 | this room

00:09:14.660 | and it was just

00:09:15.300 | a bed

00:09:16.340 | and a desk

00:09:17.080 | and no internet,

00:09:18.560 | no TV,

00:09:19.440 | no nothing.

00:09:20.100 | Oh,

00:09:20.400 | you slept there?

00:09:21.180 | Yeah,

00:09:21.440 | we slept there.

00:09:21.960 | It was a three,

00:09:22.720 | two nights,

00:09:23.420 | three day retreat.

00:09:24.080 | Reading retreat.

00:09:24.680 | Reading retreat.

00:09:25.400 | And then we just,

00:09:26.620 | he said,

00:09:27.200 | okay,

00:09:27.480 | we're all going to our rooms,

00:09:29.140 | we'll meet for lunch,

00:09:30.320 | we'll meet for dinner

00:09:31.120 | and then we hang out

00:09:31.920 | a little bit

00:09:32.320 | and boom,

00:09:32.940 | and the next day.

00:09:33.680 | So I said,

00:09:34.820 | okay,

00:09:35.020 | I'm going to read,

00:09:35.740 | I'm going to read

00:09:36.780 | the epistles.

00:09:37.400 | So that,

00:09:38.800 | that period,

00:09:40.780 | that reading retreat

00:09:42.000 | really changed my life

00:09:42.920 | because I remember

00:09:44.700 | before opening the Bible,

00:09:48.240 | I said,

00:09:49.220 | God,

00:09:49.680 | I have this question

00:09:51.000 | about Christian life

00:09:53.420 | and I am going,

00:09:55.620 | whatever I find

00:09:56.880 | in these pages,

00:09:57.640 | I am committing right now

00:09:59.580 | to align my entire future

00:10:01.220 | to that.

00:10:02.260 | It was like a personal

00:10:03.200 | fork of the road.

00:10:03.820 | Yeah.

00:10:04.140 | So I said,

00:10:05.120 | I am going to align my life

00:10:06.700 | and then after that prayer,

00:10:07.920 | I was like,

00:10:08.320 | I don't want to open this Bible

00:10:09.300 | because I was like scared.

00:10:12.140 | what did I just say?

00:10:12.740 | I was like,

00:10:13.040 | oh my gosh,

00:10:14.100 | this is going to change my life

00:10:15.980 | if I actually live accordingly.

00:10:17.640 | So,

00:10:18.340 | so then that was,

00:10:20.040 | yeah,

00:10:20.460 | the start of it.

00:10:21.200 | But then,

00:10:21.600 | yeah,

00:10:22.780 | it got to a point

00:10:23.600 | where by the third day

00:10:24.640 | I was like,

00:10:25.120 | every page I was crying,

00:10:27.020 | repenting,

00:10:28.400 | praying,

00:10:28.920 | turning the page,

00:10:30.140 | crying,

00:10:30.500 | repenting,

00:10:31.060 | praying about like

00:10:32.800 | my understanding

00:10:33.880 | of Christian life

00:10:34.580 | being so,

00:10:35.160 | so long-anger.

00:10:36.440 | Yeah,

00:10:36.720 | against the Bible.

00:10:37.680 | Wow.

00:10:38.860 | Maybe that's what

00:10:39.840 | our retreat should be.

00:10:40.720 | Yeah.

00:10:41.040 | Kind of like sin.

00:10:42.060 | lock you in a room

00:10:42.840 | and lock you in a room.

00:10:43.440 | How do we teach people

00:10:44.380 | to do DT?

00:10:44.860 | Before you open that Bible,

00:10:46.500 | just commit to live

00:10:47.560 | whatever you're going to.

00:10:49.000 | Yeah,

00:10:49.300 | what you'll find in these pages.

00:10:50.560 | That's powerful.

00:10:51.640 | That's very powerful.

00:10:52.780 | We've got to bring

00:10:53.420 | some of that back.

00:10:53.960 | All right.

00:10:55.700 | Well,

00:10:56.060 | I don't know,

00:10:56.620 | you don't have to have

00:10:57.120 | as dramatic a story.

00:10:58.000 | Yeah,

00:10:58.540 | I just became a Christian

00:11:00.540 | and I think

00:11:02.260 | the mission trip

00:11:03.320 | right after that,

00:11:04.160 | my summer after

00:11:05.440 | junior year

00:11:06.280 | was pivotal

00:11:06.920 | to experiencing

00:11:09.360 | ministry

00:11:09.940 | and Christian life together

00:11:11.200 | Was it Japan?

00:11:11.860 | We went to Japan

00:11:12.980 | and Korea

00:11:13.480 | so it was a month long

00:11:14.800 | and we were together

00:11:16.260 | 24-7

00:11:17.060 | and we did a lot

00:11:18.720 | of Bible study

00:11:19.380 | on Luke

00:11:20.280 | and I just remember

00:11:21.800 | feeling like

00:11:22.660 | this is what I was meant,

00:11:23.860 | my life was meant for.

00:11:25.220 | I feel so joyful

00:11:26.920 | even though

00:11:27.660 | I don't have

00:11:28.600 | my private space.

00:11:30.080 | I'm wearing the same thing

00:11:31.360 | everybody's wearing

00:11:32.260 | and just doing

00:11:33.400 | the same thing

00:11:33.880 | everyone's doing

00:11:34.640 | but yet

00:11:36.280 | I feel so much more joy

00:11:37.880 | so I just wanted

00:11:39.200 | to do that

00:11:39.840 | for the rest of my life.

00:11:41.780 | Yeah, yeah.

00:11:42.920 | And I think that was

00:11:44.180 | one of the things

00:11:44.660 | that stood out to me

00:11:45.460 | when I came to our church too

00:11:46.400 | was like,

00:11:46.840 | oh,

00:11:47.060 | it's just like a mission trip

00:11:48.360 | 24-7.

00:11:49.300 | Wow,

00:11:50.400 | that's cool!

00:11:51.180 | and I think that

00:11:53.160 | kind of explains a lot

00:11:53.960 | about who we are

00:11:54.940 | and what we do

00:11:55.780 | so,

00:11:56.020 | yeah.

00:11:56.580 | Wow.

00:11:57.580 | 24-7 mission trips

00:11:59.300 | I mean,

00:11:59.600 | not that intense

00:12:00.420 | but trying to live that way

00:12:03.020 | even at home.

00:12:04.180 | Yeah, yeah.

00:12:04.840 | Well,

00:12:05.020 | speaking of mission trips

00:12:05.840 | maybe we can just

00:12:06.440 | talk about that.

00:12:06.980 | Sure.

00:12:07.420 | Or maybe before we talk

00:12:08.280 | about that

00:12:08.720 | we can talk about

00:12:09.460 | so how did you guys meet

00:12:10.740 | because junior year

00:12:12.140 | you notice him

00:12:13.000 | but you're like,

00:12:13.720 | who's that guy?

00:12:14.180 | So how did you guys

00:12:15.700 | like,

00:12:16.360 | how did you start dating?

00:12:17.080 | Like,

00:12:17.420 | what's the story about that?

00:12:18.480 | She liked me first.

00:12:20.980 | Yeah.

00:12:21.460 | Is that true?

00:12:22.360 | Yeah.

00:12:23.100 | We have to figure it out

00:12:25.140 | kind of later.

00:12:25.900 | Like,

00:12:26.300 | we have to sort of

00:12:26.940 | Yeah.

00:12:27.560 | I didn't tell anybody

00:12:29.120 | but we had been serving

00:12:31.860 | in the same staff group

00:12:33.080 | for

00:12:33.440 | there was just one staff group

00:12:35.700 | and we served there

00:12:36.540 | for a few years

00:12:37.720 | and then

00:12:38.840 | actually a lot of my peers

00:12:40.300 | got married

00:12:40.840 | so there weren't

00:12:41.780 | that many options

00:12:42.620 | but

00:12:42.940 | I heard

00:12:48.220 | I heard you hung up on

00:12:49.320 | well,

00:12:50.360 | yeah,

00:12:50.780 | I called her

00:12:52.460 | but you did ask her first?

00:12:53.300 | I did ask her

00:12:54.040 | yeah,

00:12:54.320 | okay

00:12:54.580 | yeah

00:12:54.980 | yeah

00:12:55.580 | yeah

00:12:55.620 | so then I was like

00:12:58.860 | okay,

00:12:59.140 | I'm interested

00:12:59.860 | I'm interested

00:13:00.640 | so

00:13:01.640 | I called her

00:13:04.040 | were you nervous?

00:13:04.600 | I was nervous

00:13:05.340 | wow

00:13:05.780 | and I was like

00:13:06.720 | okay,

00:13:07.160 | okay

00:13:07.640 | so then I'm

00:13:08.780 | hello

00:13:09.260 | hello

00:13:09.940 | and then

00:13:10.620 | small talk

00:13:12.620 | some small talk

00:13:13.660 | first

00:13:14.040 | how are you doing

00:13:14.680 | because you know

00:13:15.640 | this

00:13:16.120 | it's a phone

00:13:17.240 | it's a landline call

00:13:18.300 | so I'm like

00:13:19.520 | hey

00:13:19.880 | I was wondering

00:13:21.760 | if you wanted

00:13:22.440 | to go out with me

00:13:23.360 | and it was like

00:13:24.640 | a very important

00:13:25.800 | like nerve-working question

00:13:27.300 | and then

00:13:27.780 | her answer

00:13:28.480 | was

00:13:29.060 | I guess

00:13:29.860 | I was really nervous

00:13:34.180 | because it's a landline

00:13:36.000 | so I'm in my apartment

00:13:37.020 | like hoping nobody's

00:13:38.320 | overhearing

00:13:39.200 | and then also

00:13:39.940 | I was excited

00:13:40.860 | but I didn't want to

00:13:41.580 | seem so excited

00:13:42.480 | so then what came out

00:13:45.180 | was I guess

00:13:45.660 | so I was like

00:13:48.320 | I guess

00:13:49.880 | and then she goes

00:13:51.000 | I meant yes

00:13:51.700 | right

00:13:52.080 | but then

00:13:52.920 | I was like

00:13:53.840 | you know what

00:13:54.980 | why don't you think about it

00:13:56.920 | and just call me back

00:13:58.240 | when you're sure

00:13:59.580 | so that's

00:14:02.380 | I tell single guys

00:14:03.620 | don't grovel

00:14:05.420 | don't grovel

00:14:06.500 | wow

00:14:06.820 | was that like

00:14:09.720 | how did you feel about that?

00:14:10.960 | oh shoot

00:14:11.640 | no I can't call him

00:14:14.580 | right back

00:14:15.080 | so now I have to wait

00:14:15.880 | and meanwhile

00:14:17.860 | I'm like

00:14:18.180 | how come she's not calling

00:14:18.860 | what's going on here?

00:14:22.140 | oh my gosh

00:14:23.620 | how long did you wait?

00:14:24.300 | at least a day

00:14:25.860 | because yeah

00:14:26.620 | I couldn't call him

00:14:27.280 | back on the same day

00:14:28.240 | that's too much

00:14:28.880 | that's too much

00:14:29.600 | how did that work

00:14:30.560 | with landlines back then?

00:14:31.780 | you just had to hope

00:14:32.700 | that the person

00:14:33.240 | you were trying to call

00:14:33.880 | and you know

00:14:34.860 | roommates would

00:14:35.580 | you know

00:14:36.260 | pick up another

00:14:37.880 | landline

00:14:38.620 | and then start listening

00:14:39.600 | oh that's wrong

00:14:40.520 | okay there we go

00:14:41.120 | that's wrong

00:14:42.560 | yeah

00:14:43.060 | that's wrong

00:14:43.500 | different times

00:14:45.140 | yeah

00:14:45.480 | that was very common

00:14:46.860 | you guys have any

00:14:47.780 | like fun

00:14:48.880 | funny dating

00:14:49.740 | stories

00:14:50.880 | I know the one about

00:14:51.980 | the

00:14:52.380 | was it the lemon

00:14:53.420 | or the lobster?

00:14:54.080 | oh yeah

00:14:55.300 | the lemon

00:14:56.660 | and the lobster

00:14:57.620 | both of them

00:14:58.300 | that was the lobster

00:14:59.560 | that was the anniversary

00:15:00.680 | oh anniversary

00:15:01.320 | you was dating

00:15:02.200 | lemon

00:15:02.620 | yeah

00:15:03.360 | so

00:15:03.880 | this is the first day

00:15:06.200 | that I'm meeting

00:15:07.400 | Sarah's parents

00:15:08.520 | and

00:15:09.800 | she told me that her

00:15:12.560 | dad is a giant

00:15:13.340 | like really really tall

00:15:14.740 | but he wasn't

00:15:15.960 | the rest of the family

00:15:19.680 | is my height

00:15:20.280 | and my dad

00:15:20.880 | so she just remembers

00:15:22.400 | looking up

00:15:23.040 | tall for his generation

00:15:25.320 | yeah

00:15:25.880 | but you're like 5'10

00:15:27.240 | right?

00:15:27.580 | I'm 5'11

00:15:28.980 | your dad was like 5'9

00:15:32.520 | so then anyway

00:15:34.920 | we're meeting at this

00:15:36.140 | seafood restaurant

00:15:36.880 | yeah

00:15:37.300 | and I'm nervous

00:15:38.400 | and I'm like trying to

00:15:39.160 | make a good impression

00:15:39.780 | and shake his hand

00:15:40.820 | and we sit down

00:15:41.400 | across from each other

00:15:42.280 | and then we're making

00:15:43.420 | small talk

00:15:43.900 | and then food comes out

00:15:44.760 | it's fish flat

00:15:45.400 | it's like a fish

00:15:45.960 | you know seafood

00:15:46.620 | so then Sarah

00:15:47.580 | grabs a lemon

00:15:48.660 | I'm talking like this

00:15:50.600 | and she's next to me

00:15:51.520 | and she's

00:15:52.220 | you know how

00:15:52.960 | you're supposed

00:15:53.380 | to do this

00:15:53.940 | you're supposed

00:15:54.300 | to like cover it

00:15:55.560 | and do this

00:15:55.980 | and she goes

00:15:56.320 | like that

00:15:57.100 | and the lemon juice

00:15:58.820 | flies

00:16:00.040 | I was wearing glasses too

00:16:01.340 | it went

00:16:03.040 | right into my right eye

00:16:05.280 | like

00:16:05.480 | right perfectly

00:16:06.880 | into my right eye

00:16:07.840 | and I was like

00:16:09.800 | like this

00:16:11.520 | and I try to

00:16:12.680 | I was like

00:16:13.140 | trying to play it off

00:16:14.040 | for a moment

00:16:17.380 | I was trying to play it off

00:16:18.460 | but then my right eye

00:16:20.300 | was twitching

00:16:20.900 | and I started crying

00:16:22.780 | on my right eye

00:16:23.640 | right

00:16:23.960 | so I was like

00:16:25.340 | okay

00:16:25.620 | I could try to play it off

00:16:27.420 | and look really weird

00:16:28.280 | or I just

00:16:28.760 | I just decided

00:16:29.440 | to go for it

00:16:29.900 | I was like

00:16:30.140 | ow

00:16:31.140 | I just went

00:16:31.940 | ow

00:16:32.380 | Sarah

00:16:32.700 | you squeezed lemon

00:16:33.580 | into my eyeball

00:16:34.460 | I made it very clear

00:16:36.380 | to both of them

00:16:37.080 | what just happened

00:16:38.700 | so they would know

00:16:39.300 | what's going on

00:16:40.720 | so like me twitching

00:16:42.520 | makes sense

00:16:43.700 | you know

00:16:44.140 | and then you know

00:16:46.220 | Sarah's mom was like

00:16:46.960 | oh Sarah

00:16:47.660 | be careful

00:16:49.140 | you gotta be careful

00:16:49.940 | that was nice

00:16:52.760 | that was after

00:16:54.920 | you were married

00:16:55.380 | no

00:16:55.720 | that was when

00:16:56.800 | we were first meeting parents

00:16:58.200 | oh so lemon and lobster

00:16:59.020 | are not the same

00:16:59.680 | lobster was some lobster

00:17:01.460 | yeah

00:17:01.860 | I never had the lobster one

00:17:03.180 | lobster one

00:17:04.080 | was like our anniversary

00:17:05.080 | and then we went to

00:17:06.180 | Spanger's

00:17:07.120 | you know

00:17:07.560 | seafood

00:17:07.940 | and then it was like

00:17:08.760 | a Monday I think

00:17:09.580 | and it was a lobster special

00:17:10.720 | basically I said

00:17:11.660 | I've never had lobster before

00:17:12.880 | so he said

00:17:13.260 | oh you should try it

00:17:14.140 | and so it came out

00:17:15.260 | I didn't know how to eat it

00:17:16.620 | it was pretty cheap

00:17:17.380 | so then I was like

00:17:18.100 | oh that's a good one

00:17:18.820 | that's special

00:17:19.680 | let's get it

00:17:20.200 | whole lobster

00:17:21.280 | and you know

00:17:21.820 | they had that

00:17:22.740 | lobster

00:17:23.440 | that

00:17:23.740 | what is that

00:17:24.640 | crack

00:17:24.940 | cracker thing

00:17:25.600 | yeah

00:17:25.760 | cracking

00:17:26.340 | the wrench

00:17:27.080 | the claw

00:17:27.500 | the claw

00:17:27.900 | so then you know

00:17:29.340 | the claw looks like this

00:17:30.420 | has a little claw

00:17:31.780 | and then

00:17:32.140 | you know

00:17:32.880 | you're supposed to

00:17:33.620 | turn the lobster

00:17:34.720 | cracker or the claw

00:17:36.860 | crack it

00:17:38.620 | crack it

00:17:38.960 | this way

00:17:39.460 | but she grabs it

00:17:41.360 | like this

00:17:42.120 | which already has

00:17:43.640 | a perfectly shaped

00:17:44.600 | just fit perfectly

00:17:46.780 | into that space

00:17:47.900 | and she's squeezing

00:17:49.780 | like this

00:17:50.380 | just adding pressure

00:17:52.340 | just consistent pressure

00:17:53.940 | on that claw

00:17:54.520 | and I'm like

00:17:55.980 | looking at this

00:17:56.500 | I'm like

00:17:56.780 | oh

00:17:57.040 | and I was about to tell

00:17:58.540 | Sarah

00:17:59.080 | and then

00:17:59.680 | it popped

00:18:01.740 | and the whole claw

00:18:04.000 | exploded

00:18:04.620 | and it went on my glasses

00:18:07.280 | and it hit the person

00:18:09.220 | behind the table

00:18:11.320 | it went to several tables

00:18:12.560 | the big piece went

00:18:14.300 | and hit this gentleman's

00:18:15.820 | back on his head

00:18:17.040 | and it was a whole

00:18:18.060 | like a group of men

00:18:18.960 | right

00:18:19.220 | yeah a group of like

00:18:19.680 | older men

00:18:20.880 | and it went

00:18:22.320 | and then

00:18:23.480 | and then he just

00:18:24.600 | turned back

00:18:25.420 | and by this time

00:18:26.080 | Sarah was

00:18:26.680 | under the table

00:18:27.700 | she was hiding

00:18:28.740 | she was like

00:18:29.120 | oh my gosh

00:18:29.800 | and I turned back

00:18:31.600 | toward that gentleman

00:18:32.200 | with a piece of lobster

00:18:33.700 | on my glasses

00:18:34.340 | and I said

00:18:35.120 | I'm so sorry

00:18:35.840 | and he looked at me

00:18:38.940 | and I think he kind of knew

00:18:40.240 | what's going on

00:18:41.280 | and he was like

00:18:41.800 | it's alright

00:18:42.500 | so that was our

00:18:44.960 | just food

00:18:45.900 | yeah food

00:18:46.720 | food

00:18:47.300 | things

00:18:47.900 | unfortunately most dates

00:18:49.360 | involve food

00:18:50.100 | that's unfortunate

00:18:51.880 | that's unfortunate

00:18:53.560 | wow

00:18:54.060 | well that was fun

00:18:55.160 | that was fun

00:18:55.900 | alright so

00:18:57.460 | changing gears a little bit

00:18:58.860 | we've changed gears here

00:18:59.940 | you guys recently

00:19:01.220 | came back from

00:19:02.220 | Vietnam

00:19:02.800 | and we had

00:19:04.160 | multiple international

00:19:05.400 | like mission trips

00:19:06.460 | going on

00:19:07.020 | you guys led

00:19:07.740 | how many people

00:19:08.940 | were on the

00:19:09.400 | there were 30

00:19:10.440 | including us

00:19:11.340 | yeah

00:19:11.940 | to go support our team there

00:19:13.680 | and so we just wanted

00:19:15.040 | to just ask you

00:19:15.840 | a few questions

00:19:16.360 | about that

00:19:17.080 | let's just start off

00:19:19.540 | on the topic of food

00:19:20.360 | what's the best thing you eat

00:19:21.420 | there

00:19:22.460 | there were

00:19:23.380 | the Vietnamese food

00:19:24.760 | ban seo

00:19:25.320 | it's like a Vietnamese crepe

00:19:27.860 | that you wrap

00:19:28.580 | in lettuce

00:19:29.360 | yeah

00:19:29.800 | I mean they were really good

00:19:31.620 | Vietnamese food of course

00:19:32.800 | but what I was impressed

00:19:34.660 | mostly by

00:19:35.440 | was actually ban mi

00:19:36.520 | ban mi

00:19:37.100 | really

00:19:37.580 | they're ban mi

00:19:38.340 | especially

00:19:39.080 | they even got to share

00:19:41.860 | because I liked it so much

00:19:43.140 | this is ban mi

00:19:44.560 | op la

00:19:44.900 | which is

00:19:46.020 | the egg

00:19:46.620 | it's the cheapest ban mi

00:19:47.560 | you can get

00:19:48.060 | which is just egg

00:19:49.340 | egg ban mi

00:19:50.740 | how much does it cost

00:19:51.520 | a dollar

00:19:52.020 | wow

00:19:52.640 | so then

00:19:53.780 | everything's so cheap

00:19:54.860 | when I ate it

00:19:55.940 | because I just wanted to see

00:19:57.200 | I wanted to get to get

00:19:58.640 | the cheapest thing

00:19:59.240 | yeah

00:19:59.400 | ban mi

00:20:00.020 | op la

00:20:00.620 | and when I bit in

00:20:02.200 | I'm like

00:20:02.600 | oh my gosh

00:20:03.800 | this is

00:20:04.740 | this is what ban mi

00:20:05.500 | is supposed to taste like

00:20:06.100 | really

00:20:06.440 | it's that different huh

00:20:07.460 | yeah

00:20:07.900 | I thought that was like

00:20:08.880 | bread of life shirt

00:20:09.760 | no

00:20:10.120 | it's ban mi

00:20:11.220 | ban mi shirt

00:20:11.540 | it's not a bread of life

00:20:12.800 | ban mi op la

00:20:14.020 | especially

00:20:14.440 | I like op

00:20:15.020 | yeah

00:20:15.340 | anyway

00:20:15.800 | wow

00:20:17.000 | wow

00:20:17.620 | what made it so good

00:20:18.360 | like what was

00:20:18.860 | the

00:20:19.940 | the radishes

00:20:21.140 | you know how it's like

00:20:21.940 | kind of

00:20:22.360 | very vinegary

00:20:23.400 | yeah

00:20:23.720 | I don't like those

00:20:24.780 | it's like

00:20:25.320 | slightly vinegary

00:20:26.660 | it's more subtle

00:20:29.220 | and the bread is softer

00:20:30.380 | it's crispy on the outside

00:20:32.040 | softer on the inside

00:20:33.060 | and then the egg

00:20:35.000 | it's like

00:20:35.560 | it's kind of runny

00:20:37.000 | yeah

00:20:37.360 | and that's what just

00:20:38.180 | the vinegar and the egg mixture

00:20:40.060 | it means people are very proud

00:20:42.260 | of their food

00:20:42.900 | and they do know how to

00:20:44.420 | flavor their food

00:20:45.480 | yeah

00:20:45.840 | I could see that being good

00:20:48.020 | I'm not a fan of

00:20:49.040 | I mean America

00:20:49.840 | but maybe

00:20:50.460 | yeah because then like

00:20:50.800 | the bread's so hard

00:20:51.480 | it feels like

00:20:51.820 | it's not hard at all

00:20:53.500 | but

00:20:53.840 | wow

00:20:54.440 | wow

00:20:55.220 | all right

00:20:55.860 | well

00:20:56.580 | yeah

00:20:57.300 | you guys are there

00:20:58.220 | leading the team

00:20:59.480 | and helping

00:21:01.120 | helping our team there

00:21:02.180 | I guess one thing

00:21:03.280 | we wanted to ask

00:21:04.140 | was just

00:21:04.460 | you know

00:21:05.780 | a lot of us

00:21:06.640 | have been praying

00:21:07.180 | for our teams

00:21:07.760 | and stuff like that

00:21:08.440 | and we try to think about

00:21:09.860 | like what's

00:21:10.280 | what's hard for them

00:21:11.100 | what's challenging

00:21:11.700 | to try and pray

00:21:12.160 | but what's one thing

00:21:12.800 | that like

00:21:13.160 | you're like

00:21:13.440 | I know that was hard

00:21:14.500 | but after I personally

00:21:16.520 | experienced it

00:21:17.400 | oh I can

00:21:18.200 | I appreciate the challenge

00:21:19.520 | maybe

00:21:19.840 | in different ways

00:21:20.880 | like a challenge

00:21:22.140 | of like

00:21:23.200 | foreign mission life

00:21:24.240 | I guess

00:21:24.900 | does that

00:21:26.120 | make sense

00:21:27.280 | okay

00:21:28.300 | like

00:21:28.880 | just during that trip

00:21:30.820 | yeah

00:21:31.420 | that we observed

00:21:32.740 | for the team

00:21:33.940 | yeah

00:21:34.240 | I think the hardest

00:21:37.580 | thing is the language barrier

00:21:39.160 | and

00:21:40.380 | not being able to

00:21:42.520 | understand or speak

00:21:43.920 | the language

00:21:45.080 | and so

00:21:45.820 | but because of that

00:21:48.160 | you

00:21:48.620 | really are forced

00:21:50.400 | to

00:21:50.960 | communicate

00:21:52.620 | the essentials

00:21:53.640 | you know

00:21:54.380 | so

00:21:54.720 | I think

00:21:55.760 | like

00:21:56.700 | if

00:21:57.100 | you know

00:21:57.700 | in trying to

00:21:58.580 | share your testimony

00:22:00.200 | or your story

00:22:01.100 | or the gospel

00:22:01.760 | you have to like

00:22:02.720 | boil it down

00:22:03.460 | so like

00:22:04.680 | I guess

00:22:05.420 | that's the part

00:22:05.960 | that you

00:22:06.340 | kind of

00:22:06.780 | appreciate

00:22:07.280 | since you're

00:22:09.100 | like

00:22:09.680 | kind of handicapped

00:22:10.420 | in that way

00:22:10.940 | okay

00:22:11.420 | and Vietnamese language

00:22:12.780 | is like

00:22:13.240 | impossible

00:22:14.020 | it's so hard

00:22:17.340 | but there is actually

00:22:18.340 | one of the sisters

00:22:19.080 | that went

00:22:20.160 | and actually

00:22:21.300 | her Vietnamese

00:22:22.420 | got advanced

00:22:23.780 | to a point

00:22:24.380 | where

00:22:24.720 | at least vocab

00:22:26.580 | her vocab level

00:22:27.500 | was actually

00:22:28.060 | you know

00:22:28.900 | as a non-Vietnamese person

00:22:30.120 | yeah

00:22:30.480 | it was really high

00:22:31.900 | so is our team

00:22:32.520 | like able to

00:22:33.360 | converse in Vietnamese

00:22:34.200 | or not quite yet

00:22:35.400 | yeah

00:22:35.680 | it depends on the person

00:22:37.060 | yeah

00:22:37.420 | it's

00:22:38.780 | it's hard

00:22:39.860 | it's hard

00:22:40.220 | yeah

00:22:40.520 | so

00:22:41.140 | they kind of

00:22:42.740 | especially like

00:22:43.740 | gospel conversation

00:22:44.760 | or meaningful conversation

00:22:45.760 | it's just

00:22:46.320 | they can't do that

00:22:47.320 | it's really hard

00:22:48.020 | so I imagine

00:22:49.360 | like most of

00:22:50.060 | what they're trying to do

00:22:51.100 | then is the English

00:22:51.980 | yeah

00:22:52.380 | but they have

00:22:53.960 | they can't speak

00:22:54.660 | Vietnamese enough

00:22:55.560 | to get by

00:22:56.140 | and kind of

00:22:56.600 | get around

00:22:57.380 | and things like that

00:22:58.200 | yeah

00:22:59.100 | so

00:22:59.580 | yeah

00:23:00.080 | I think that's

00:23:00.880 | I think that's true

00:23:02.580 | the heat

00:23:03.820 | and everything like that

00:23:05.380 | it's

00:23:06.240 | actually it's pretty surprising

00:23:07.740 | I heard crossing the street

00:23:08.800 | oh yeah

00:23:09.840 | that's scary

00:23:11.040 | crossing the street

00:23:11.700 | crossing the street

00:23:12.620 | that's the most

00:23:14.000 | that's the biggest

00:23:14.600 | culture shock

00:23:15.520 | in Vietnam

00:23:16.480 | yeah

00:23:16.880 | in Ho Chi Minh City

00:23:17.760 | well it's like

00:23:19.000 | no they do

00:23:19.960 | but there's

00:23:20.440 | oncoming traffic

00:23:21.400 | like coming straight

00:23:22.440 | at you

00:23:22.880 | and you just

00:23:23.440 | you just have to

00:23:24.580 | go straight

00:23:25.640 | you don't

00:23:26.320 | no not frog

00:23:27.020 | you don't stop

00:23:27.700 | you never stop

00:23:28.540 | oh

00:23:29.080 | you have to maintain

00:23:29.600 | you have to maintain

00:23:30.480 | a constant

00:23:30.920 | because they'll just

00:23:31.440 | go around you

00:23:32.060 | and you trust that

00:23:32.380 | they'll go around you

00:23:32.960 | yeah

00:23:33.240 | wow

00:23:33.860 | it's like fish

00:23:34.800 | they do

00:23:35.800 | fish don't stop

00:23:36.640 | you know

00:23:37.380 | there's big fish

00:23:38.160 | which is the trucks

00:23:38.980 | and the cars

00:23:39.900 | and the small fishes

00:23:40.820 | are motos

00:23:41.480 | and everybody's just flowing

00:23:43.220 | and we just

00:23:43.980 | we just flow

00:23:44.800 | that sounds really efficient

00:23:45.920 | it's like Indiana Jones

00:23:46.780 | it is efficient

00:23:47.640 | it's amazing

00:23:48.280 | it's efficient

00:23:48.880 | but really scary

00:23:49.720 | because like

00:23:50.820 | I'm looking at a situation

00:23:52.040 | I'm going

00:23:52.440 | how is this not a gridlock

00:23:54.060 | in America

00:23:54.860 | it would be like

00:23:55.400 | a three hour gridlock

00:23:56.740 | but they just

00:23:57.560 | they keep moving

00:23:58.300 | wow

00:23:58.760 | so

00:23:59.280 | that was cool

00:24:00.760 | what was some of the

00:24:03.300 | what are some of the

00:24:04.300 | neatest things

00:24:04.720 | you guys got to try

00:24:05.420 | while you were there

00:24:06.240 | and then help the team

00:24:07.220 | with

00:24:07.400 | like ministry wise

00:24:08.920 | ministry wise

00:24:09.900 | oh boy

00:24:10.440 | it's like

00:24:10.980 | well we got to do

00:24:12.800 | some

00:24:13.180 | pretty awesome things

00:24:15.740 | well

00:24:16.480 | there's

00:24:17.580 | you want to talk

00:24:19.160 | about the youth event

00:24:19.860 | that was probably

00:24:22.400 | the neatest thing

00:24:23.260 | that we got to put on

00:24:24.500 | basically like

00:24:26.240 | a production

00:24:27.020 | X2 Live

00:24:27.780 | production

00:24:29.460 | gospel skit

00:24:30.900 | songs

00:24:31.700 | and testimonies

00:24:33.280 | with youth

00:24:34.460 | is that the first time

00:24:35.500 | X2 Live

00:24:35.880 | went international

00:24:36.800 | kind of

00:24:37.320 | I think we did

00:24:38.340 | something like that

00:24:38.920 | in Taiwan

00:24:39.360 | maybe

00:24:39.900 | oh yeah

00:24:40.780 | I think so

00:24:41.340 | but

00:24:41.980 | like

00:24:43.240 | in Vietnam

00:24:44.160 | with youth

00:24:45.020 | who speak English

00:24:45.780 | so they did

00:24:46.380 | the whole thing

00:24:46.840 | in English

00:24:47.280 | with like

00:24:48.100 | Vietnamese subtitles

00:24:48.920 | and just

00:24:51.000 | seeing the youth's

00:24:52.440 | passion and desire

00:24:53.800 | to share the gospel

00:24:54.720 | was really neat

00:24:55.720 | they invited their

00:24:56.680 | friends

00:24:57.200 | and

00:24:57.480 | family

00:24:57.980 | people

00:24:58.340 | also they like

00:24:59.860 | listened to all

00:25:00.520 | of our direction

00:25:01.320 | and they were

00:25:03.500 | willing to act

00:25:04.420 | you know

00:25:05.000 | even though

00:25:05.580 | it's not even

00:25:06.100 | in their language

00:25:06.480 | how do we know

00:25:06.980 | these youth

00:25:07.560 | yeah

00:25:08.000 | we know

00:25:09.420 | we have a connection

00:25:10.340 | through someone

00:25:11.480 | to a

00:25:12.120 | like a bunch

00:25:13.340 | of schools

00:25:13.920 | that are

00:25:14.620 | English speaking

00:25:15.520 | schools

00:25:15.980 | but not Christian

00:25:17.660 | schools

00:25:18.000 | they are

00:25:18.540 | they're private

00:25:20.000 | schools

00:25:21.280 | but yeah

00:25:22.040 | they're private

00:25:22.860 | schools

00:25:23.400 | or learning centers

00:25:24.320 | and it's all

00:25:25.700 | in English

00:25:26.240 | like when you're

00:25:26.860 | there you have

00:25:27.300 | to speak English

00:25:27.840 | so they all

00:25:28.420 | they're native

00:25:29.080 | Vietnamese

00:25:29.400 | but they learn

00:25:30.060 | English

00:25:30.540 | and so some

00:25:31.380 | of them speak

00:25:31.820 | really well

00:25:32.460 | like almost

00:25:33.000 | like an American

00:25:33.760 | and some of

00:25:34.360 | them are not

00:25:34.860 | so well

00:25:35.240 | but they all

00:25:35.920 | they all try

00:25:36.800 | and they were

00:25:37.040 | in need of

00:25:37.320 | like a youth

00:25:37.980 | group kind

00:25:38.420 | of thing

00:25:38.780 | yeah

00:25:39.340 | so then

00:25:40.680 | our team

00:25:41.100 | has started

00:25:41.560 | doing monthly

00:25:42.440 | youth events

00:25:43.560 | and then

00:25:44.000 | one of their

00:25:44.740 | events was

00:25:45.140 | dare to share

00:25:45.680 | and after that

00:25:46.560 | they decided

00:25:47.180 | oh since we

00:25:47.760 | can't go out

00:25:48.560 | yeah they can't

00:25:49.200 | actually do

00:25:49.860 | go out and share

00:25:51.100 | because we'll do

00:25:52.020 | this instead

00:25:52.620 | and then they

00:25:53.780 | invite their friends

00:25:54.680 | into a theater

00:25:55.540 | and they will

00:25:57.180 | share the gospel

00:25:57.620 | so it was precipitated

00:25:58.880 | by dare to share

00:25:59.780 | yeah

00:26:00.400 | that's really neat

00:26:01.200 | that's where the idea

00:26:02.100 | that they got the idea

00:26:03.140 | and these youth kids

00:26:05.320 | I mean it seems like

00:26:06.340 | most of them don't

00:26:07.240 | come from Christian

00:26:07.920 | backgrounds

00:26:08.280 | or do they

00:26:09.200 | what's kind of

00:26:09.880 | the breakdown there

00:26:10.700 | I would

00:26:11.420 | I don't

00:26:11.840 | I'm not sure

00:26:12.520 | but I know that

00:26:13.420 | for many of them

00:26:14.980 | like their parents

00:26:16.280 | and their extended

00:26:17.420 | family that they're

00:26:18.040 | inviting

00:26:18.400 | they're not Christians

00:26:19.520 | yeah

00:26:19.880 | and they

00:26:21.280 | some of them

00:26:22.240 | their parents

00:26:23.360 | didn't know that

00:26:24.860 | their children

00:26:25.580 | had turned Christian

00:26:26.400 | but they knew

00:26:28.680 | through the school

00:26:29.480 | or through the camp

00:26:31.240 | yeah

00:26:31.880 | so then

00:26:32.480 | it was their

00:26:33.480 | like

00:26:34.280 | kind of

00:26:35.440 | they had to

00:26:35.820 | kind of

00:26:36.520 | shore up their courage

00:26:37.620 | to go

00:26:38.080 | okay

00:26:38.440 | I might

00:26:39.620 | get a talking to

00:26:40.900 | after this

00:26:41.900 | but here

00:26:43.040 | I'm going to

00:26:43.700 | proclaim the gospel

00:26:44.300 | to my parents

00:26:44.980 | yeah

00:26:45.420 | how does that

00:26:46.540 | do we have any word

00:26:47.380 | about how that's been

00:26:48.080 | because I remember

00:26:48.480 | hearing about that

00:26:49.260 | that like

00:26:49.660 | yeah

00:26:49.820 | this is

00:26:50.160 | they're taking this step

00:26:51.240 | but

00:26:51.480 | was there any fallout

00:26:52.860 | or like

00:26:53.400 | I haven't heard

00:26:54.560 | any fallout yet

00:26:55.340 | I haven't heard about fallout

00:26:56.360 | yeah

00:26:56.760 | seems like they're still excited

00:26:58.300 | okay so far

00:26:59.520 | okay

00:26:59.940 | that's good news

00:27:00.860 | because you just

00:27:01.400 | have to see your kid

00:27:02.180 | in a play

00:27:02.600 | yeah

00:27:02.980 | I guess so

00:27:03.660 | yeah

00:27:03.960 | so it was really neat

00:27:05.700 | that happened

00:27:07.020 | and then

00:27:07.580 | there was also

00:27:08.500 | a lot of college

00:27:09.620 | campus outreach

00:27:10.880 | that was kind of neat

00:27:11.820 | so

00:27:12.100 | we

00:27:12.820 | instead of like

00:27:14.080 | doing DC outreach

00:27:15.060 | which is

00:27:15.540 | what people have been trying

00:27:17.180 | yeah

00:27:17.500 | decided okay

00:27:18.340 | since there's a whole group

00:27:19.360 | of people coming

00:27:20.000 | let's try

00:27:20.580 | just walking through

00:27:21.300 | the front door

00:27:21.800 | and going to the administrators

00:27:23.660 | and go hey

00:27:24.200 | we have a bunch of people coming

00:27:25.280 | so we're gonna

00:27:27.140 | we're gonna do a cultural exchange

00:27:28.900 | and

00:27:29.300 | and it's all in English

00:27:30.800 | so we told them

00:27:32.380 | we're not gonna provide even Vietnamese

00:27:34.100 | like translations

00:27:34.820 | it's all English

00:27:35.480 | so then the school

00:27:36.340 | getting excited about

00:27:37.840 | a bunch of people

00:27:38.480 | doing workshops

00:27:39.140 | like about

00:27:39.740 | college life

00:27:40.860 | yeah

00:27:41.160 | from America

00:27:43.340 | they got together

00:27:44.920 | and they kind of

00:27:45.640 | filtered out for us

00:27:46.820 | and filtered

00:27:47.820 | and got together

00:27:49.580 | the best English speakers

00:27:50.660 | and said hey

00:27:51.340 | here we are

00:27:51.860 | and like there's 70 of us

00:27:52.820 | wow so they were

00:27:53.520 | super supportive

00:27:54.260 | wow

00:27:54.660 | they were very supportive

00:27:55.760 | so

00:27:56.060 | wow

00:27:56.400 | in a communist country

00:27:57.540 | that's great

00:27:57.920 | that's awesome

00:27:59.880 | how are like the

00:28:01.560 | what are Vietnamese

00:28:02.880 | college students like

00:28:03.920 | like

00:28:04.220 | what are similarities

00:28:05.380 | and differences

00:28:05.920 | from American college ministry

00:28:07.300 | that you saw

00:28:08.300 | well when I described

00:28:10.820 | the American college students

00:28:12.900 | kind of busy schedule

00:28:14.680 | and clubs

00:28:15.860 | and things like that

00:28:17.160 | they

00:28:17.420 | the college students there

00:28:18.580 | resonated with that a lot

00:28:19.800 | they said oh

00:28:20.360 | it's just like that

00:28:21.120 | for us here

00:28:21.820 | you know

00:28:23.440 | Vietnam is

00:28:24.440 | developing really fast

00:28:26.020 | and so

00:28:26.600 | there

00:28:26.960 | I think there is

00:28:27.920 | that competitive environment

00:28:29.220 | and some people

00:28:30.940 | like when we invited people

00:28:32.180 | over for open homes

00:28:33.220 | some of the

00:28:33.620 | especially girls

00:28:34.660 | would say

00:28:35.560 | oh I'm really stressed

00:28:36.460 | I'm drowning right now

00:28:37.680 | you know

00:28:38.420 | with

00:28:38.900 | school tests

00:28:40.880 | and

00:28:41.160 | one big difference

00:28:43.460 | is the schedule

00:28:44.280 | you want to talk about

00:28:45.040 | the schedule

00:28:45.520 | it's very different

00:28:46.920 | well that

00:28:48.480 | and the way

00:28:49.160 | the classes get cancelled

00:28:50.420 | oh yeah

00:28:50.940 | I mean the professors

00:28:51.820 | just cancel

00:28:52.540 | they have a lot of authority

00:28:53.940 | well the professors

00:28:55.200 | just decide to cancel

00:28:56.100 | for no apparent reason

00:28:57.140 | sometimes

00:28:57.480 | I just don't feel

00:28:58.600 | like teaching

00:28:59.040 | and they will reschedule

00:29:01.400 | it like to Saturday

00:29:02.100 | morning

00:29:02.460 | or Friday night

00:29:03.920 | oh what the

00:29:04.720 | and you have to show up

00:29:06.180 | yeah

00:29:06.460 | wow

00:29:07.060 | so then

00:29:07.860 | they were like

00:29:08.400 | oh yeah

00:29:09.160 | I can't

00:29:09.740 | because my professors

00:29:10.460 | just rescheduled

00:29:11.220 | my class

00:29:11.920 | to Saturday

00:29:12.440 | and I

00:29:12.760 | that would not fly

00:29:13.360 | in the stage

00:29:13.760 | so that's very different

00:29:15.240 | wow

00:29:15.940 | I wonder why they're stressed

00:29:16.980 | yeah

00:29:17.420 | that is stressful

00:29:18.880 | that makes me thankful

00:29:19.400 | from my college experience

00:29:20.540 | I was just gonna do that

00:29:22.060 | yeah so it's

00:29:22.700 | their schedule

00:29:23.540 | is unpredictable

00:29:24.140 | in a way

00:29:25.100 | well but the similarities

00:29:26.600 | well they're very warm

00:29:28.040 | we found the students

00:29:29.740 | very warm

00:29:30.440 | and really open

00:29:32.280 | to talking

00:29:32.880 | about ideas

00:29:33.960 | I think there's

00:29:35.280 | just generally

00:29:36.400 | a hospitality culture

00:29:37.820 | that's kind of built in

00:29:39.080 | so then for example

00:29:40.440 | like when we were

00:29:41.700 | at the cafeteria

00:29:42.380 | school cafeteria

00:29:43.080 | and we can't read

00:29:44.160 | we don't know

00:29:44.920 | what to order

00:29:45.460 | pretty much

00:29:47.220 | every person

00:29:48.180 | that we sort of

00:29:48.820 | flagged down

00:29:49.720 | to help us

00:29:50.440 | would stick with us

00:29:51.580 | it's not just like

00:29:52.420 | oh I'm busy

00:29:52.820 | or here it is

00:29:54.040 | and they would go

00:29:55.020 | okay I'll order for you

00:29:56.500 | and they would just

00:29:57.780 | stick with us

00:29:58.700 | for like sometimes

00:29:59.260 | the first girl

00:30:00.260 | that I met

00:30:00.840 | bought me a drink

00:30:01.920 | yeah she was really nice

00:30:05.340 | and ate with us

00:30:07.380 | wow

00:30:07.680 | so they're very warm

00:30:09.300 | yeah

00:30:09.640 | and is that like

00:30:10.420 | a college student specific

00:30:12.340 | or is it just

00:30:12.840 | Vietnam in general

00:30:13.800 | they're like hospital

00:30:14.580 | I don't know

00:30:15.680 | well one guy said

00:30:16.920 | you know in Vietnam

00:30:17.780 | you know

00:30:18.380 | I talked to you once

00:30:19.200 | I talked to you twice

00:30:20.020 | twice I'm best friend

00:30:21.760 | so I'm like oh

00:30:23.340 | that's great

00:30:23.960 | yeah but I mean

00:30:26.940 | in terms of like

00:30:27.840 | how college students

00:30:28.660 | are open to ideas

00:30:29.940 | and thinking about

00:30:30.580 | their future

00:30:31.140 | they're like that

00:30:33.100 | I feel like

00:30:33.600 | they're actually

00:30:34.360 | more open

00:30:35.120 | more open

00:30:36.420 | than typical

00:30:37.840 | American college students

00:30:39.240 | yeah

00:30:40.200 | and they spent

00:30:41.260 | a lot of time

00:30:41.780 | with us

00:30:42.220 | if they came

00:30:43.040 | to our events

00:30:43.720 | they would talk

00:30:44.620 | for a long time

00:30:45.380 | wow

00:30:45.700 | I mean it's probably

00:30:47.420 | a really special

00:30:48.440 | opportunity for them

00:30:49.060 | too

00:30:49.340 | to talk with

00:30:49.980 | Americans

00:30:50.500 | yeah

00:30:50.880 | so yeah

00:30:52.860 | what were some

00:30:54.180 | of the like

00:30:54.600 | bright spots

00:30:55.220 | from some of those

00:30:56.440 | things you guys did

00:30:57.040 | like

00:30:57.420 | highlights

00:30:59.680 | yeah

00:31:00.120 | highlights

00:31:00.540 | stories

00:31:01.280 | yeah

00:31:02.120 | I mean

00:31:04.280 | well

00:31:05.000 | the celebration

00:31:06.220 | of the youth

00:31:07.320 | after their event

00:31:08.240 | like just seeing

00:31:09.020 | them so joyful

00:31:10.320 | like

00:31:10.940 | these guys

00:31:11.820 | were like

00:31:12.560 | hugging each other

00:31:13.460 | on stage

00:31:14.220 | for a long time

00:31:15.780 | and taking pictures

00:31:16.680 | and then

00:31:18.020 | hearing stories

00:31:19.720 | about how they

00:31:20.400 | some of them

00:31:21.120 | used to be so dark

00:31:22.200 | but through

00:31:22.860 | the youth groups

00:31:23.760 | they've been

00:31:24.380 | frightening up so much

00:31:25.700 | one of the

00:31:26.460 | one of the people

00:31:27.400 | that were

00:31:28.040 | the partners

00:31:28.660 | that we're working

00:31:29.260 | with

00:31:29.640 | she was like

00:31:31.220 | tearing up

00:31:31.660 | and crying

00:31:32.100 | because she goes

00:31:32.660 | that person

00:31:34.420 | that

00:31:34.680 | he was so dark

00:31:36.840 | it was so

00:31:37.800 | and

00:31:38.100 | there have been

00:31:40.140 | I mean

00:31:40.420 | they've been telling us

00:31:43.220 | that there's been

00:31:44.040 | like

00:31:44.360 | increase in youth

00:31:45.420 | suicides

00:31:46.080 | just

00:31:47.000 | just

00:31:47.500 | the darkness

00:31:48.220 | of the youth

00:31:49.000 | what they're going through

00:31:50.560 | and especially

00:31:51.040 | the high pressure

00:31:51.800 | as money is now

00:31:53.220 | becoming a real thing

00:31:54.220 | like oh wow

00:31:54.840 | you can make it big

00:31:55.760 | everybody's trying

00:31:56.700 | to shoot for money

00:31:57.480 | and there's a lot

00:31:58.640 | of pressure

00:31:59.140 | for youth

00:32:00.160 | to do well

00:32:00.740 | in school

00:32:01.220 | and all that

00:32:01.800 | so

00:32:02.140 | so then

00:32:03.040 | so then

00:32:04.060 | when they saw that

00:32:05.500 | and they said

00:32:05.940 | this

00:32:06.280 | like

00:32:07.300 | I can't believe

00:32:08.300 | how bright they are

00:32:09.280 | look how

00:32:09.620 | you know

00:32:10.180 | happy they are

00:32:11.320 | yeah

00:32:12.400 | and they did

00:32:12.820 | they actually

00:32:13.520 | part of the

00:32:14.260 | performance

00:32:15.300 | was the one

00:32:16.140 | one word description

00:32:17.180 | of before and after Christ

00:32:18.560 | before Christ

00:32:19.460 | and they flipped it

00:32:20.880 | and oh man

00:32:22.060 | that was powerful

00:32:22.860 | yeah

00:32:24.140 | so they

00:32:24.680 | kind of described it

00:32:25.800 | too

00:32:26.020 | and shared

00:32:26.620 | man

00:32:27.560 | yeah

00:32:28.100 | that's kind of the

00:32:29.200 | like any time

00:32:31.080 | a country's like ascending

00:32:32.120 | there's always that

00:32:32.740 | darker

00:32:33.080 | edge to it

00:32:34.060 | yeah

00:32:34.920 | wow

00:32:35.720 | we're glad our team

00:32:36.700 | is there

00:32:37.000 | yeah

00:32:37.900 | so what do you guys

00:32:40.520 | think about

00:32:40.980 | I don't know

00:32:41.480 | future of Christianity

00:32:42.360 | in Vietnam

00:32:42.840 | and I guess maybe

00:32:43.620 | also like

00:32:44.880 | I mean every

00:32:46.680 | every group

00:32:47.260 | you know

00:32:47.720 | every missions group

00:32:48.360 | is going to bring

00:32:48.860 | something like

00:32:49.340 | slightly different

00:32:49.800 | to the table

00:32:50.360 | like

00:32:50.740 | is there any way

00:32:51.680 | in which you feel

00:32:52.300 | like our church

00:32:53.060 | has like a

00:32:53.840 | particular angle

00:32:55.180 | that we can

00:32:56.120 | I don't know

00:32:56.600 | offer the people

00:32:57.400 | of Vietnam

00:32:57.800 | or kind of

00:32:58.780 | as a church

00:32:59.300 | like what

00:32:59.800 | yeah

00:33:00.620 | any thoughts

00:33:01.540 | on that

00:33:01.820 | did like

00:33:02.500 | the mission team

00:33:03.020 | have any thoughts

00:33:03.640 | well I think

00:33:05.680 | and I think

00:33:06.560 | the mission team

00:33:07.900 | also thinks

00:33:08.740 | that

00:33:09.140 | Vietnam

00:33:10.420 | is

00:33:11.240 | kind of at the

00:33:12.480 | brink

00:33:13.460 | of some sort

00:33:14.360 | of spiritual

00:33:15.000 | revival

00:33:15.860 | I think it's

00:33:18.580 | kind of

00:33:18.860 | they're sort

00:33:19.180 | of primed

00:33:19.780 | for it

00:33:20.200 | in a way

00:33:20.760 | just

00:33:22.840 | the openness

00:33:23.700 | to foreign

00:33:24.820 | ideas even

00:33:25.600 | as they

00:33:27.080 | experience

00:33:27.620 | some of the

00:33:28.400 | investment

00:33:28.920 | foreign investments

00:33:29.580 | coming in

00:33:30.020 | they're like

00:33:30.420 | not enforcing

00:33:32.360 | this whole

00:33:32.900 | like

00:33:33.220 | we're a

00:33:33.980 | communist

00:33:34.260 | country

00:33:34.680 | and we're

00:33:35.100 | not gonna

00:33:35.500 | allow foreign

00:33:36.380 | ideas to come

00:33:37.080 | in

00:33:37.180 | they're just

00:33:37.520 | kind of

00:33:37.680 | open

00:33:38.120 | so there's

00:33:39.300 | that

00:33:39.680 | and

00:33:40.240 | I don't know

00:33:41.300 | maybe this is

00:33:42.020 | anecdotal

00:33:42.460 | but I've seen

00:33:43.460 | a lot of

00:33:43.860 | even Vietnamese

00:33:44.420 | American

00:33:44.940 | churches

00:33:46.160 | go through

00:33:47.320 | a revival

00:33:47.900 | in the Bay Area

00:33:49.700 | maybe

00:33:50.000 | maybe that's

00:33:50.560 | just kind of

00:33:51.060 | anecdotal

00:33:51.620 | to Bay Area

00:33:52.600 | but

00:33:52.920 | like if you

00:33:53.880 | look at

00:33:54.240 | the thriving

00:33:55.940 | church youth

00:33:56.540 | groups

00:33:56.920 | even like

00:33:57.860 | it's often

00:33:58.760 | Vietnamese

00:33:59.180 | American churches

00:33:59.860 | so

00:34:00.240 | I don't know

00:34:01.280 | there's something

00:34:01.820 | happening

00:34:02.560 | with the

00:34:04.140 | Vietnamese peoples

00:34:04.980 | yeah

00:34:06.000 | so I feel

00:34:06.780 | really hopeful

00:34:07.280 | about that

00:34:07.860 | that God

00:34:08.640 | might be doing

00:34:09.200 | something

00:34:09.600 | in the people

00:34:10.860 | not only

00:34:11.560 | in the country

00:34:12.400 | of Vietnam

00:34:12.720 | but the people

00:34:13.360 | group of Vietnam

00:34:14.020 | to somehow

00:34:15.640 | make them

00:34:16.180 | open

00:34:16.640 | for the gospel

00:34:17.760 | so

00:34:18.100 | yeah

00:34:18.860 | and maybe

00:34:19.340 | it's not

00:34:19.740 | unique to Vietnam

00:34:20.540 | but I think

00:34:21.240 | people there

00:34:22.600 | are still

00:34:23.200 | interested in

00:34:23.940 | learning English

00:34:24.720 | and in

00:34:25.180 | the ideas

00:34:26.580 | that we

00:34:27.380 | you know

00:34:28.120 | can exchange

00:34:28.860 | with each other

00:34:29.520 | and so I think

00:34:30.960 | that's something

00:34:31.900 | that sort of

00:34:32.800 | that makes

00:34:33.780 | the country

00:34:34.140 | open

00:34:34.660 | to

00:34:35.320 | the gospel

00:34:36.540 | when you

00:34:38.680 | say open

00:34:40.180 | is it like

00:34:41.000 | they're like

00:34:41.800 | oh I've never

00:34:42.200 | heard this before

00:34:42.860 | this is kind

00:34:43.260 | of interesting

00:34:43.560 | or is it more

00:34:44.020 | like oh I've

00:34:45.100 | been thinking

00:34:45.480 | about this

00:34:46.060 | and finally

00:34:46.620 | I've got to

00:34:47.000 | kind of talk

00:34:47.520 | to someone

00:34:47.820 | about it

00:34:48.180 | I think it's both

00:34:48.980 | it's both

00:34:49.520 | we've heard both

00:34:50.620 | types of responses

00:34:52.320 | people are going

00:34:53.080 | this is what

00:34:54.300 | I've been wanting

00:34:55.520 | to talk about

00:34:56.300 | this is my first

00:34:57.600 | time that I'm

00:34:58.000 | talking about it

00:34:58.600 | though

00:34:58.780 | I've been

00:34:59.780 | thinking about

00:35:00.360 | this for a long

00:35:01.140 | time

00:35:01.620 | you know

00:35:02.660 | things like that

00:35:03.400 | I guess

00:35:03.800 | because you shared

00:35:04.620 | with me earlier

00:35:05.100 | about the dust

00:35:06.040 | particles song

00:35:06.780 | there's something

00:35:08.120 | about that

00:35:09.380 | so apparently

00:35:10.080 | it's a folk song

00:35:10.780 | yeah apparently

00:35:11.220 | like every

00:35:11.840 | you can explain

00:35:14.000 | so

00:35:14.220 | one of the

00:35:16.600 | playbooks that

00:35:17.180 | we play

00:35:17.700 | on foreign

00:35:18.300 | mission trips

00:35:18.960 | that I've done

00:35:20.960 | before at Taiwan

00:35:22.020 | also is

00:35:22.740 | we show the

00:35:23.800 | race of a lifetime

00:35:24.440 | skit

00:35:24.740 | and then

00:35:25.900 | there's an

00:35:27.020 | Ecclesiastes

00:35:27.520 | passage

00:35:27.940 | but then I also

00:35:28.700 | pick a

00:35:29.580 | traditional song

00:35:31.380 | from that country

00:35:32.100 | that actually

00:35:33.300 | everybody knows

00:35:34.240 | that expresses

00:35:35.260 | the same feeling

00:35:36.100 | of vanity

00:35:37.040 | of chasing

00:35:37.680 | after the wind

00:35:38.280 | there's always

00:35:39.280 | something

00:35:39.700 | so then

00:35:40.940 | and then

00:35:41.920 | so then I

00:35:42.380 | picked

00:35:42.620 | I found one

00:35:43.680 | and then

00:35:44.260 | I checked it

00:35:45.520 | everybody knows

00:35:46.540 | it was oh yeah

00:35:47.020 | everybody knows

00:35:47.600 | that one

00:35:47.920 | and then it's

00:35:48.860 | called

00:35:49.140 | that's called

00:35:52.800 | dust particles

00:35:53.620 | I don't know

00:35:54.000 | if I'm pronouncing

00:35:55.020 | it right

00:35:55.360 | why is it called

00:35:56.860 | dust particles

00:35:57.340 | it's about

00:35:57.760 | dust to dust

00:35:58.940 | if dust

00:36:00.680 | I go back

00:36:01.460 | to dust

00:36:02.000 | then the whole

00:36:03.180 | chase is exhausting

00:36:04.120 | very biblical

00:36:04.600 | huh

00:36:04.920 | yeah

00:36:05.520 | so then

00:36:07.060 | everybody knew that

00:36:07.920 | so then I kind of

00:36:08.660 | quoted it

00:36:09.080 | sort of like

00:36:09.520 | modeling after

00:36:10.320 | when Apostle Paul

00:36:11.380 | kind of quoted

00:36:12.680 | a poet

00:36:13.960 | so then

00:36:17.240 | we talk about

00:36:18.900 | you know

00:36:19.440 | I have the

00:36:21.080 | American culture

00:36:22.600 | you have a

00:36:23.200 | Vietnamese culture

00:36:23.820 | but really

00:36:24.360 | what we share

00:36:25.040 | is a human

00:36:25.460 | culture

00:36:25.860 | a human

00:36:26.360 | condition

00:36:27.120 | wow

00:36:27.820 | and then

00:36:28.280 | so that's

00:36:28.720 | the launching

00:36:29.260 | path to a

00:36:30.100 | discussion

00:36:30.500 | and then

00:36:30.840 | they're like

00:36:31.200 | this is

00:36:31.720 | I've been

00:36:32.260 | thinking about

00:36:33.760 | this

00:36:34.060 | why am I

00:36:34.880 | doing this

00:36:35.360 | why

00:36:35.740 | you know

00:36:36.040 | so

00:36:36.260 | yeah

00:36:37.060 | those

00:36:37.340 | I think

00:36:38.120 | people say

00:36:39.020 | that as well

00:36:39.620 | as like

00:36:39.960 | this is new

00:36:40.500 | yeah

00:36:41.160 | wow

00:36:43.200 | well I think

00:36:44.500 | it's pretty amazing

00:36:45.120 | just like

00:36:45.640 | you know

00:36:46.420 | we

00:36:46.780 | set up

00:36:47.360 | these teams

00:36:47.980 | and

00:36:48.300 | just

00:36:50.060 | being able

00:36:50.820 | to hear

00:36:51.160 | all the

00:36:51.440 | updates

00:36:51.940 | from

00:36:53.200 | you know

00:36:53.760 | just

00:36:54.080 | different emails

00:36:55.320 | and stuff like

00:36:55.780 | that

00:36:56.040 | and then

00:36:56.420 | some of my own

00:36:57.120 | team

00:36:57.380 | people went

00:36:58.080 | on the

00:36:58.520 | mission trip

00:36:59.160 | you know

00:36:59.440 | and they brought

00:36:59.800 | back stories

00:37:00.460 | and stuff

00:37:00.900 | so

00:37:01.220 | it's really

00:37:01.820 | exciting to see

00:37:02.300 | what God

00:37:02.680 | has in store

00:37:03.360 | you know

00:37:03.720 | yeah

00:37:03.840 | and it just

00:37:04.120 | seems like

00:37:04.400 | we came

00:37:04.780 | at a good

00:37:05.320 | time

00:37:05.760 | yeah

00:37:06.060 | so

00:37:08.020 | really thankful

00:37:08.760 | and I think

00:37:09.260 | I feel

00:37:10.560 | like

00:37:11.140 | more motivated

00:37:12.320 | to pray

00:37:12.800 | and have a better

00:37:14.320 | idea of how

00:37:14.740 | to pray

00:37:15.060 | so

00:37:15.420 | yeah

00:37:15.980 | is there anything

00:37:17.380 | else you want to know

00:37:18.060 | what would you say

00:37:19.360 | to our church

00:37:19.980 | about Vietnam

00:37:20.580 | like

00:37:21.140 | what's your

00:37:22.480 | what's your

00:37:22.960 | rallying cry

00:37:23.700 | do we need to

00:37:24.680 | send more people

00:37:25.460 | Vietnam

00:37:27.200 | gotta go

00:37:28.460 | I mean

00:37:29.880 | I think it is

00:37:31.080 | this is the time

00:37:32.400 | we don't know

00:37:32.960 | how long

00:37:33.840 | this window

00:37:35.080 | will last

00:37:35.920 | in a way

00:37:36.960 | this

00:37:37.220 | yeah

00:37:37.780 | they're very open

00:37:40.060 | and

00:37:40.940 | we can do stuff

00:37:42.300 | actually

00:37:42.620 | it's not

00:37:43.000 | that's the

00:37:44.600 | surprising thing

00:37:45.980 | it's freer

00:37:47.880 | than we thought

00:37:48.240 | it's a lot freer

00:37:49.180 | than we thought

00:37:49.600 | I mean

00:37:49.800 | I know that Hanoi

00:37:50.680 | we have to be careful

00:37:51.580 | still like the northern area

00:37:52.840 | but in the southern area

00:37:54.160 | it's kind of

00:37:55.660 | it's fine

00:37:56.220 | so

00:37:56.820 | all right

00:37:58.820 | well thank you guys so much

00:38:00.160 | yeah

00:38:00.380 | thank you so much

00:38:00.980 | for being on our show

00:38:02.580 | on the podcast

00:38:03.600 | not our show

00:38:04.480 | but like and subscribe

00:38:05.980 | and see you guys

00:38:07.280 | next episode

00:38:08.100 | thank you guys

00:38:08.900 | - Thank you.

Ep.11 - Vietnam mission trip update

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