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I am James Hong and welcome to the Surpassing Value Podcast. 00:00:15.620 |
The fuel and desire for this podcast was born out of a compulsion to flesh out what's 00:00:19.740 |
been going on in the midst of an ocean of megaphones that may not actually withstand 00:00:26.620 |
As a signpost theologian, I will do my best to filter out the impurities and point people 00:00:37.160 |
For episode number 8, I wanted to continue our journey into Marxism. 00:00:45.400 |
I last left off by quoting to you various portions of the 1963 US Communist Party goals. 00:00:54.200 |
That was relevant because you were able to see how Marxism had influenced and fleshed 00:01:04.840 |
I'm going to quote to you some of them which were already quoted in the last episode, but 00:01:16.160 |
Use them as transmission belts for "socialism" and current "communist" propaganda. 00:01:31.400 |
Infiltrate the churches and replace revealed religion with "social" religion. 00:01:37.440 |
Discredit the Bible and emphasize a need for intellectual maturity which does not need 00:01:45.760 |
Eliminate prayer or any phase of religious expression in the schools on the ground that 00:01:51.280 |
it violates the principle of separation of church and state. 00:01:56.160 |
Discredit the American Constitution by calling it inadequate, old-fashioned, out of step 00:02:01.880 |
with modern needs, a hindrance to cooperation between nations on a worldwide basis." 00:02:12.920 |
At the last episode I left off with two questions. 00:02:18.760 |
In the event that you're thinking to yourself that 1963 is somehow outdated, I wanted to 00:02:29.920 |
quote from the U.S. Communist Party of today, of today. 00:02:37.300 |
This is from their website, quote, "The roots of the Communist Party extend deep 00:02:42.900 |
into our nation's soil, even far beyond our founding in Chicago in 1919. 00:02:50.320 |
We build on the legacy of those who fought against slavery for the right to organize 00:02:55.360 |
unions, for civil rights, and for women's vote and reproductive rights. 00:02:59.680 |
We apply the scientific outlook developed by Marx, Engels, Lenin, and others in the 00:03:06.760 |
context of U.S. history, culture, and traditions. 00:03:11.120 |
The need for the Communist Party is as great as ever. 00:03:15.160 |
Capitalism has cast billions of people around the world into poverty. 00:03:22.400 |
It institutionalizes racism and women's oppression, denies youth the hope of a future, 00:03:29.160 |
and fuels discrimination against gay, lesbian, and transgender people, religious minorities, 00:03:39.040 |
Capitalism pits worker against worker in a global race to the bottom. 00:03:43.440 |
Corporate interests wage a never-ending campaign to roll back people's hard-won democratic 00:03:51.080 |
Capitalism's insatiable drive for profits has poisoned the earth's land, sea, and air. 00:03:58.660 |
Capitalism treats people and nature as disposable commodities in order to transfer the wealth 00:04:03.880 |
of the planet to a handful of multi-millionaires. 00:04:08.120 |
Our basic principles are rooted in today's struggles, informed by our history and experience, 00:04:14.400 |
and guided by our scientific outlook and vision of socialism. 00:04:18.160 |
Our bedrock principles include the leading role of the working class in the struggle 00:04:24.400 |
That working class unity is essential, and the fight against racism and for immigrant 00:04:32.340 |
In solidarity with working people around the world, we stand in opposition to U.S. imperialism, 00:04:38.200 |
the system by which U.S. corporations use their economic power, along with the political 00:04:43.540 |
and military power of our government, to exploit workers, pillage the environment, and corrupt 00:04:49.340 |
governments around the world, just as they do here at home." 00:04:59.660 |
Much of the language that I quoted to you just now, do you see that in politics today? 00:05:20.260 |
And what I quoted to you, an ever-present dialogue in politics today. 00:05:34.260 |
Now you can see, by connecting the dots, Marxism is much more present than we have been led 00:05:58.740 |
This is an all-encompassing worldview that is completely at odds with what most people 00:06:13.140 |
It is completely at odds with the worldview of the scriptures. 00:06:23.020 |
Socialism and communism share very little differences, if at all, if at all. 00:06:31.760 |
It is for that reason, it is for that reason that one of the Communist Party's goals was, 00:06:43.040 |
and I quote, "get control of the schools, use them as transmission belts for socialism 00:07:04.560 |
And in today's goals, that has become the marching beat of what you hear on the news. 00:07:16.720 |
And no, Nordic countries like Denmark and Sweden are not socialist countries. 00:07:24.640 |
They are capitalist countries with a high safety net. 00:07:31.720 |
As I make these statements to you, I'm not trying to convince you to become a good Republican. 00:07:42.560 |
As I stated to you earlier in the last episode, the dialectic that is presented, communism 00:07:49.080 |
or socialism versus capitalism, that's the dialectic that is typically pushed on us by 00:07:59.760 |
And because that dialectic is pushed on us by the culture, many well-intentioned yet 00:08:07.800 |
naive Christians believe that entering the discussion is not a prudent thing to do because 00:08:17.280 |
Christians should not be overly engaged in politics. 00:08:22.640 |
But I've embarked in this discussion, not necessarily for politics per se, although 00:08:31.880 |
of course all of life touches some political arena to some degree. 00:08:40.360 |
But the reason I embarked on this discussion is because of what the Communist Manifesto 00:08:50.880 |
explicitly states with respect to morality, not just mere politics. 00:09:01.520 |
When that worldview espouses to destroy, to abolish the nuclear family, to take children 00:09:11.120 |
away for indoctrination, that is far beyond just mere politics. 00:09:21.080 |
Also, I'm just giving you the truth of the matter. 00:09:25.720 |
I am just giving you the truth of the matter. 00:09:30.080 |
So as we approach this discussion, do not let the culture's version of what the culture 00:09:41.120 |
wants you to believe the dialectic is to cast the picture of the framework that we should 00:09:56.120 |
Let me quote to you again from Karl Marx, from the Communist Manifesto to prove my point. 00:10:02.160 |
"Nothing is easier than to give Christian asceticism a socialist tinge. 00:10:10.640 |
Has not Christianity declaimed against private property, against marriage, against the state? 00:10:17.260 |
Has it not preached in the place of these charity and poverty, celibacy and mortification 00:10:23.420 |
of the flesh, monastic life and mother church? 00:10:27.820 |
Christian socialism is but the holy water with which the priest consecrates the heartburnings 00:10:38.520 |
Karl Marx makes absolutely no qualms about wanting his ideology to infiltrate and blend 00:10:49.080 |
No doubt, just like as he was stating, by playing on the Christian's desire to be compassionate 00:10:55.600 |
and in most cases, to be intentionally ignorant. 00:11:02.520 |
As I alluded to in the last episode, interestingly enough, Karl Marx and C. H. Spurgeon, Charles 00:11:11.540 |
Haddon Spurgeon, the Prince of Preachers, these two figures occupied the same time and 00:11:20.000 |
They lived during the same time and at the same place. 00:11:26.520 |
Did Charles Haddon Spurgeon have anything to say about socialism? 00:11:33.240 |
Let me read to you a couple quotes by C. H. Spurgeon. 00:11:39.840 |
"Did I hear a whisper that ministers are nowadays very broad and have given up the 00:11:51.360 |
The builders are the first to reject the chosen stone. 00:11:54.920 |
Christ owes little to preachers, and some of his worst enemies are found in their ranks. 00:12:00.560 |
Unconverted men are in too many pulpits and are seeking out many inventions to set aside 00:12:09.720 |
Let them alone, the ditches gaping for these blind guides. 00:12:15.400 |
He owes his victories to himself and to himself alone, and therefore he let the faith of his 00:12:21.040 |
people rest in peace, for if they will have patience they shall see greater things than 00:12:27.640 |
Our text saith that it is not only the Lord's doing and marvelous, but it is marvelous in 00:12:33.480 |
our eyes, which it could not be if we did not see it. 00:12:39.080 |
Some of us may have passed away, but you who are younger may live to see modern thought 00:12:47.320 |
German rationalism, which has ripened into socialism, may yet pollute the mass of mankind 00:12:55.800 |
and lead them to overturn the foundations of society. 00:12:59.760 |
Then advanced principles will hold carnival and free thought will ride with the vice and 00:13:05.480 |
blood which were years ago the insignia of the age of reason. 00:13:10.040 |
I say that it will be so, but I should not wonder if it come to pass, for deadly principles 00:13:15.280 |
are abroad and certain ministers are spreading them. 00:13:18.720 |
If it ever should be so, do not, O believers, for a single moment despair, but rest certain 00:13:24.040 |
that the Lord is about to do a marvelous thing on the earth, and that he will lift up once 00:13:28.080 |
again the stone which the builders have again refused and cause it to become more than ever 00:13:35.160 |
Never dream of defeat; be calm amid all the din of controversy, for the hand which holds 00:13:44.080 |
This is the Lord's doing, and we shall see it. 00:13:46.340 |
In the early days of Christianity, multitudes of Christians were tormented to death because 00:13:52.120 |
There was no excuse for it, for they had done no harm to the state. 00:13:55.880 |
Christianity does not come into a nation to break up its arrangements or to break down 00:14:01.520 |
All that is good in human society it preserves and establishes. 00:14:10.640 |
There are theories of "socialism" and the like which lead to anarchy and riot. 00:14:16.700 |
But it is not so with the mild and gentle teaching of Jesus Christ, whose every word 00:14:27.260 |
Charles Spurgeon saw beyond the dialectic that socialism/communism was merely political. 00:14:47.740 |
This worldview is antithetical to Christianity. 00:14:58.340 |
I fear, less than any of you, there should be even the least measure of despising the 00:15:04.280 |
Because of the large and philosophical methods which are now so loudly cried up, I would 00:15:09.540 |
not have you exchange the gold of individual Christianity for the base metal of Christian 00:15:17.980 |
If the wonders are to be brought in, in vast numbers, as I pray they may be, yet must it 00:15:22.700 |
be accomplished by the bringing of them in one by one, to attempt national regeneration 00:15:28.540 |
without personal regeneration is to dream of erecting a house without separate bricks. 00:15:34.660 |
In the vain attempt to work in the gross, we may miss the practical result which would 00:15:41.000 |
Let us settle it in our minds that we cannot do better than obey the example of our Lord 00:15:45.720 |
Jesus given us in the text and go after the one sheep which has gone astray. 00:15:57.040 |
I would not have you exchange the gold of individual Christianity for the base metal 00:16:09.600 |
"For many a year, by the grand old truths of the gospel, sinners were converted and 00:16:17.560 |
saints were edified, and the world was made to know that there is a God in Israel. 00:16:22.080 |
But these are too antiquated for the present cultured race of superior beings. 00:16:26.040 |
They are going to regenerate the world by democratic socialism, and set up a kingdom 00:16:31.960 |
for Christ without the new birth or the pardon of sin. 00:16:36.360 |
Surely the Lord has not taken away the seven thousand that have not bowed the knee to Baal, 00:16:41.080 |
but they are, in most cases, hidden away, even as Obadiah hid the prophets in a cave." 00:16:55.160 |
They are going to regenerate the world by democratic socialism, and set up a kingdom 00:17:00.800 |
for Christ without the new birth or the pardon of sin. 00:17:06.680 |
Spurgeon saw beyond the mere dialectic that is Marxism versus capitalism. 00:17:18.800 |
He saw socialism, communism, Marxism for exactly what it was, and he spoke out against it. 00:17:30.040 |
Spurgeon saw that it wasn't just a mere economic philosophy. 00:17:35.760 |
Even Karl Marx, even he himself, stated that it wasn't just a mere economic philosophy. 00:17:45.160 |
Even he wanted to embed this within Christianity, and he wanted to fool the unsuspecting, or 00:17:59.680 |
And out of a very naive desire to do good and to be compassionate, one could easily 00:18:11.920 |
The very fact that I have more quotes by C.H. 00:18:14.840 |
Spurgeon that I'm not sharing with you should tell you something. 00:18:22.680 |
If this isn't enough for you, take a look back upon history. 00:18:38.560 |
Despicable Nazi Germany was responsible for the death of at least six million, probably 00:18:45.280 |
six to nine million Jews, between 11 to 25 million people total. 00:18:51.800 |
And they are rightfully denounced for their despicable and heinous acts. 00:19:01.720 |
What has been communism's track record in the same plane of thought? 00:19:08.160 |
Well, Kim Il-sung's North Korea resulted in the deaths of 2 million from 1972 to 1994. 00:19:17.600 |
Pol Pot's Cambodia resulted in the deaths of 2 million in the 1970s. 00:19:22.400 |
Lenin's Stalin resulted in the deaths of 20 million between the 1920s and the 1950s. 00:19:29.720 |
Mao Zedong's China resulted in the deaths of 65 million between 1943 and 1976. 00:19:38.000 |
And I haven't even mentioned Ho Chi Minh or Fidel Castro or anyone from the country of 00:19:53.680 |
100 million total died as a result of Marxism, communism. 00:20:12.120 |
If you're ever interested in this subject a little further, I would suggest to you the 00:20:17.000 |
Black Book of Communism, the Black Book of Communism. 00:20:22.160 |
A benign or neutral worldview does not end in the deaths of millions of people. 00:20:38.760 |
Now perhaps you're listening to this and you're not a huge fan of C. H. Spurgeon or history. 00:20:46.760 |
I'm going to read to you another rather extensive quote, and I'm not going to tell you who said 00:20:53.720 |
But at the end of the long quote, I will tell you who said it. 00:21:01.960 |
And internally, judge for yourself whether or not you believe this person before I tell 00:21:11.400 |
"I elicit your undivided attention as I attempt to discuss with you one of the vital issues 00:21:19.640 |
It is a rather controversial subject, and yet I think it is the responsibility of the 00:21:24.360 |
preacher to keep his congregation informed on the major issues of the day, to bring the 00:21:29.120 |
kind of tenets of our gospel to bear on these various issues. 00:21:32.680 |
Now, this will not be the traditional sermon with a text, and you may feel when it's over 00:21:37.000 |
that it's more of an academic lecture than a moving sermon, but I think it is important 00:21:41.200 |
for me to discuss the question of communism with you, and so I am using as a subject from 00:21:46.180 |
which to preach, "Can a Christian be a communist?" 00:21:49.800 |
Now, there are at least three reasons why I feel obligated as a Christian minister to 00:21:56.360 |
The first grows out of the fact that communism is having widespread influence in the contemporary 00:22:02.600 |
Like a mighty tidal wave, it has moved through China, Russia, Eastern Europe, and now has 00:22:06.560 |
ruled within 90 miles of the borders of our nations. 00:22:09.440 |
More than a billion of the peoples of the world believe in communism, and many of these 00:22:13.160 |
people have accepted it as a new religion, and they are willing to surrender their total 00:22:17.220 |
being to this system, a force so potent cannot be ignored. 00:22:21.800 |
A second reason that I feel compelled to talk about communism this morning is that it is 00:22:29.040 |
The other historic and great religions of the world such as Judaism, Muhammadism, Buddhism, 00:22:33.800 |
and Hinduism may stand as alternatives to Christianity, but for the most formidable 00:22:37.840 |
competitor that Christianity faces in the world today, we must look to communism. 00:22:43.560 |
No one conversant with the hard facts of modern life can deny the truth that communism and 00:22:50.500 |
The third reason that I feel compelled to talk about communism this morning is that 00:22:53.880 |
it is unfair and certainly unscientific to condemn a system of thought without knowing 00:22:58.680 |
what that system of thought says and without knowing why it is wrong and why it is evil. 00:23:03.120 |
So for these reasons, I choose to talk about this troubling issue. 00:23:06.480 |
Now let us begin by answering the question which our sermon topic raises, "Can a Christian 00:23:11.840 |
I answer that question with an emphatic "no." 00:23:16.200 |
These two philosophies are diametrically opposed. 00:23:19.060 |
The basic philosophy of Christianity is unalterably opposed to the basic philosophy of communism 00:23:24.200 |
and all of the dialectics of the logician cannot make them lie down together. 00:23:30.300 |
How then is communism irreconcilable with Christianity? 00:23:34.320 |
In the first place, it leaves out God and Jesus Christ. 00:23:37.960 |
Communism is avowedly secularistic and materialist. 00:23:40.580 |
The great philosopher of communism, Karl Marx, based his total philosophy on what he called 00:23:46.980 |
There was a philosopher by the name of Georg Wilhelm Friedrich Hegel who had used what 00:23:51.680 |
he called a dialectical system to analyze concepts and Karl Marx was willing to take 00:23:57.740 |
And then he studied another man by the name of Feuerbach, a German philosopher. 00:24:03.360 |
And so he took the materialism of this man and added it to the dialectic that he got 00:24:07.360 |
from Hegel and this is why his system is called dialectical materialism. 00:24:13.840 |
It says in substance that the whole of reality can be explained in terms of matter and motion. 00:24:18.520 |
In other words, it says that the basic stuff of reality is the material stuff. 00:24:23.880 |
Materialism says, in substance, that idealism is wrong when it talks about the ultimate 00:24:30.600 |
Karl Marx was a materialist and he believed that the whole of human history moved on driven 00:24:41.560 |
And so from that moment on, communism became an atheistic system. 00:24:51.360 |
And if one goes to Russia, even today, he will find many of the churches filled on Sunday 00:24:56.760 |
And he will know that in spite of that, the Russian government has had a campaign against 00:25:00.480 |
religion and against God and belief in God ever since the revolution in 1917. 00:25:06.540 |
So that no Christian can be a communist because communism leaves out God. 00:25:10.760 |
It regards religion psychologically as wishful thinking, regards religion intellectually 00:25:15.760 |
as a product of fear and ignorance, and it regards religion historically as an instrument 00:25:23.720 |
This is what communism teaches about religion. 00:25:26.240 |
And so in a real sense, we disagree with this because we believe that history is moved not 00:25:34.240 |
We believe that there is a God in this universe, a God who loves his children and a God who 00:25:39.920 |
works through history for the salvation of man. 00:25:42.680 |
Consequently, we can't accept communism at that point. 00:25:46.040 |
A second reason that we can't accept communism is that its methods are opposed to Christianity. 00:25:51.840 |
Since for the communists, there is no divine government or no absolute moral order. 00:25:58.280 |
So force, violence, murder, and lying are all justifiable means to bring about the millennial 00:26:03.920 |
Lenin, the man who was something of the technician of communism, putting the philosophy of Karl 00:26:08.200 |
Marx into practical action, said on one occasion, "We must be ready to employ trickery, deceit, 00:26:14.560 |
and lawbreaking, withholding and concealing truth." 00:26:18.120 |
That the followers of Lenin have been willing to act upon these instructions is a matter 00:26:30.680 |
We believe that there are certain moral principles in this universe that are eternal and absolute. 00:26:35.400 |
We believe that there are some things right and there are some things wrong. 00:26:40.800 |
It's always been wrong to lie and will always be wrong. 00:26:44.600 |
It has always been wrong and will always be wrong. 00:26:47.080 |
It's wrong to throw away the precious lives that God gives us in righteous living. 00:26:51.320 |
It was wrong in 1800 BC and it's wrong in 1962 AD. 00:27:01.840 |
We believe that there are some things right, eternally and absolutely so, and there are 00:27:07.880 |
Then, we don't believe that the end justifies the means if those means happen to be bad. 00:27:13.000 |
For we know that the end represents the means in process and the ideal in the making. 00:27:18.280 |
The end is preexistent in the means, and so destructive means cannot bring about constructive 00:27:29.200 |
And so, we disagree with the ethical relativism of communism. 00:27:34.440 |
In the third place, we have to disagree with communism because the end of communism is 00:27:39.920 |
I should qualify this by saying that the state in communist theory is a temporary reality, 00:27:45.400 |
an interim reality, which is to be eliminated when the classless society emerges. 00:27:50.840 |
Karl Marx talks of that day when there will be a classless society. 00:27:55.080 |
The ruling class, or rather the workers, what he called the proletariat, will through the 00:27:59.640 |
revolution take power from the ruling class, which were the producers or the capitalists. 00:28:04.680 |
And finally, they will come to power and through their power, they will establish a classless 00:28:10.480 |
He says that while you are on the way to this classless society, that the state is the end. 00:28:18.760 |
And if any man's so-called rights or liberties stand in the way of that end, they are simply 00:28:26.720 |
And so in the communistic system, you do not have freedom of the press. 00:28:35.000 |
All these things are under the scrutiny of the state, which is manipulated through the 00:28:40.040 |
And whatever the party says, that must be done. 00:28:43.040 |
All the freedoms that are dear to us are denied. 00:28:46.000 |
Man has to be a servant, a dutiful and submissive servant of the state. 00:28:51.200 |
The state is omnipotent and supreme, and so if one lived in Russia today, he couldn't 00:28:56.760 |
just get up and make a speech against the communist party. 00:29:00.180 |
If one lived in Russia today, he could not write a book saying certain things without 00:29:08.640 |
You remember the great book that Pasternak wrote, and you remember the problems that 00:29:11.640 |
he faced because there were within that book some things that they didn't like in Russia. 00:29:24.980 |
If you are not convinced by what C. H. Spurgeon said, if you are not convinced of communism's 00:29:36.380 |
objective historical record, will you perhaps be convinced from a sermon from Dr. Martin 00:29:56.020 |
Now, let me say, theologically, I don't agree with many points of Dr. King's. 00:30:17.280 |
There have been many people across the spectrum that have accurately diagnosed and explicitly 00:30:32.440 |
called out Marxism, Socialism, Communism for exactly what it is, and they are all the same. 00:30:49.160 |
I'm going to say it again, the dialectic that's pushed, that it's Marxism versus capitalism, 00:31:00.320 |
and therefore, we need not care as Christians, we need not care, that is completely false. 00:31:12.240 |
Marx himself wanted to push that dialectic so that well-intentioned Christians would 00:31:35.400 |
I want to read to you 1 John 4, verses 1-6, "Beloved, do not believe every spirit, but 00:31:48.140 |
test the spirits to see whether they are from God, because many false prophets have gone 00:32:01.640 |
Every spirit that confesses that Jesus Christ has come in the flesh is from God, and every 00:32:07.840 |
spirit that does not confess Jesus is not from God. 00:32:13.240 |
This is the spirit of the Antichrist, of which you have heard that it is coming, and now 00:32:22.080 |
You are from God, little children, and have overcome them, because greater is He who is 00:32:31.320 |
They are from the world; therefore they speak as from the world, and the world listens to 00:32:42.000 |
He who is not from God does not listen to us. 00:32:45.200 |
By this we know the spirit of truth and the spirit of error. 00:32:52.600 |
Test every spirit to see whether they are from God." 00:33:00.760 |
Colossians 2 says something similar, "We are not to be beholden by deceptive philosophies, 00:33:13.720 |
And let me tell you, communism, socialism, Marxism, does not confess that Jesus is God. 00:33:30.160 |
It is antagonistic to the Christian worldview, which is why they want to abolish the family, 00:33:44.720 |
abolish organized religion, and embed themselves and masquerade around as some form of Christianity. 00:34:02.360 |
I'll continue to try to make the journey worth it. 00:34:06.760 |
To Him be honor, glory, and eternal dominion, James Harno.