Cal Newport's Planning System (In Detail)

00:00:00.000 | Before we get to the questions though, I want to do a deep dive.

00:00:04.000 | The big question I want to address in today's deep dive is the following.

00:00:09.600 | How does Cal organize his life?

00:00:14.900 | I've talked about this before, but I'm going to get granular today.

00:00:19.100 | And let me tell you why.

00:00:20.200 | Because of a recent experience I had just a couple days before

00:00:25.100 | recording this episode.

00:00:28.000 | I got very stressed/anxious to the point where I actually lost a lot of sleep.

00:00:34.700 | So yesterday I was very tired.

00:00:36.300 | I was having a hard time sleeping because once my mind got fired up,

00:00:39.600 | I had a hard time falling asleep.

00:00:41.700 | Here was the thing that was making me stressed and anxious.

00:00:44.000 | The fall semester is beginning.

00:00:46.800 | I usually go a little bit lax.

00:00:49.600 | We'll talk about this.

00:00:50.300 | I go a little bit lax on my systems in the summer.

00:00:52.600 | I'm a professor/writer.

00:00:53.900 | So in the summer, I have very little to do but write.

00:00:55.900 | I lean into that.

00:00:57.700 | I take the foot off the gas, put a little bit of my organizational systems.

00:01:01.000 | And then I have to get things locked back in for the fall because things get more busy.

00:01:06.000 | Well, in the summer, I had accreted all of these ancillary new or miscellaneous

00:01:12.000 | disciplines and systems and ideas and projects that I wanted to tackle.

00:01:16.000 | And I had these notes about all these different things I was working on

00:01:19.000 | spread out over many different digital media and many different notebooks.

00:01:23.000 | And a couple days ago, I was like, okay, I have to actually get this stuff all wrangled

00:01:27.100 | and get my systems all ready for the fall.

00:01:28.900 | And I couldn't make it work.

00:01:30.700 | Some of them were redundant with other things.

00:01:34.700 | Some things didn't quite make sense.

00:01:36.400 | Some things seemed like it was just too much.

00:01:38.000 | I was asking myself, there's too many initiatives I was trying to get going.

00:01:41.000 | And it really stressed me out to the point where I had a hard time sleeping.

00:01:44.300 | And yesterday morning, I had an epiphany.

00:01:48.200 | And I'm going to put quotation marks around epiphany here because it is the exact

00:01:53.300 | same epiphany I have every single fall.

00:01:57.900 | Which is that the planning system that I have been perfecting over a decade,

00:02:02.900 | I've been using this for a decade, is what works for me.

00:02:07.300 | And every time I try to reinvent the wheel or add new components onto this,

00:02:12.400 | I get stressed out.

00:02:13.500 | And so I said, you know, I need to do forget this like I do every fall,

00:02:17.100 | go back to my standard planning system,

00:02:19.500 | get all of the pieces of that standard system up and running, and I feel much better.

00:02:24.500 | I feel much better.

00:02:25.300 | This happens to me every summer.

00:02:27.200 | I think I'm going to come up with some new exciting thing that's going to really

00:02:31.300 | jumpstart some sort of ambition of mine.

00:02:33.900 | And I always go back to my same old tried and true three-part planning system

00:02:39.600 | that has performed.

00:02:41.700 | Everything I have done as a professional in the last decade,

00:02:44.400 | which is most of my books, most of my academic work,

00:02:47.900 | happens because of this planning system.

00:02:49.800 | So in honor of it, and in honor of it being the fall and back to school,

00:02:53.900 | and work ramping up again for a lot of people,

00:02:56.200 | I thought I would go through briefly,

00:02:59.200 | but clearly through the planning system I do to organize the stuff in my life

00:03:04.400 | and figure out what to do with my time.

00:03:08.500 | So I have a document.

00:03:12.000 | I call this the root document of the core document,

00:03:14.300 | where I just describe the system.

00:03:16.900 | This, I think, is an important place to start.

00:03:18.700 | I call this rooted productivity, where you have somewhere a core document

00:03:22.200 | from which everything you do actually comes out of it.

00:03:24.900 | Because to me, it's important that everything is written down,

00:03:26.900 | you know where to find it.

00:03:27.700 | So I like to have one core document that just summarizes,

00:03:30.900 | here's the pieces of your system.

00:03:32.300 | So I just have that somewhere.

00:03:33.500 | It's not floating in my head.

00:03:35.000 | So the start, I actually had Jesse load up here the actual document I use.

00:03:41.100 | This is the actual document I use that just summarizes

00:03:43.800 | the high level of my planning system.

00:03:45.300 | The exact wording I use, you'll notice as we go through this here,

00:03:48.300 | it's not perfectly written.

00:03:50.700 | It's not perfectly clear.

00:03:52.100 | It's for me, but I will go through it.

00:03:55.200 | All right, so let's start with this.

00:03:56.200 | All right, for those of you who are watching on the YouTube channel,

00:03:58.800 | you can see this.

00:03:59.500 | For those who are listening, I'll narrate it.

00:04:01.300 | At the top of this document is a title core systems.

00:04:04.700 | Here's what I say.

00:04:06.300 | Below are summaries of the three main categories

00:04:11.000 | that contain the elements of my core systems.

00:04:13.200 | Core documents, productivity, and discipline.

00:04:16.200 | So I've broken this document into those three sections.

00:04:20.100 | Everything related to my core planning system

00:04:23.200 | falls under one of those three categories.

00:04:26.500 | All right, so we start with category number one, core documents.

00:04:29.900 | There's two.

00:04:32.100 | Two types of core documents I maintain for my system.

00:04:34.000 | One is values, a document that, as I say here,

00:04:38.400 | describes my roles and values by which I try to live.

00:04:44.300 | And you'll see, like, if you're looking at this online,

00:04:45.900 | it's important, the wording's kind of weird.

00:04:47.900 | Because again, it's for me.

00:04:49.900 | It's not like an essay I'm publishing.

00:04:51.200 | It's not polished. It doesn't have to be polished.

00:04:52.800 | I know what it means.

00:04:53.400 | All right, the other type of documents I keep are my career

00:04:56.500 | and personal strategic plans.

00:04:59.200 | This is me reading the words here.

00:05:01.000 | I have one plan for each of these two parts of my life

00:05:03.000 | that lays out my current thoughts, experimental systems,

00:05:05.000 | and plans for living true to my values.

00:05:08.100 | So what I'm trying to say there, again,

00:05:09.300 | because the writing's not perfect here,

00:05:10.500 | is like, just what's my plan for pursuing those parts of my life

00:05:13.100 | in a way that is true to my values?

00:05:14.800 | I then have a note that says,

00:05:15.800 | sometimes I'll have extended plans

00:05:17.900 | that I'll link to from those documents.

00:05:19.400 | So if there's a particular big project or initiative

00:05:21.800 | I'm working on, I might describe that in its own document

00:05:25.200 | and link to it from, let's say, the professional strategic plan.

00:05:29.600 | All right, so those are the three documents

00:05:31.100 | at the core of my system.

00:05:32.100 | My values, here are my values, the roles of my life,

00:05:35.200 | the values by which I live those roles,

00:05:36.900 | and then my career and non-career strategic plans.

00:05:42.000 | I have this subcategory here called maintenance,

00:05:45.200 | and it talks about how I update these documents.

00:05:48.700 | And there's three things here,

00:05:49.600 | and I'll just summarize this at the high level.

00:05:51.400 | Once a week, I look at my values

00:05:53.200 | and create what I call a values plan.

00:05:55.900 | This is where I emphasize particular values

00:05:59.300 | I maybe need to be focusing on or I've fallen off of them.

00:06:02.100 | Sometimes I'll have some habits in mind

00:06:03.800 | to help emphasize a particular value.

00:06:06.100 | Community connection is important.

00:06:07.400 | Maybe I need to try for this week

00:06:09.900 | calling someone every day, that type of thing.

00:06:13.100 | So I put this into a kind of a separate,

00:06:14.900 | what I call a value plan.

00:06:16.100 | So it's sort of clarifying and calling out

00:06:17.600 | what's important in my values for that week.

00:06:19.600 | I've noted on here that I also include in my value plan

00:06:22.800 | best practices for mental health.

00:06:25.700 | So what am I doing to help keep my mind sharp

00:06:30.300 | and healthy and away from anxiety?

00:06:32.000 | I like to think through my practices,

00:06:33.400 | have those written down.

00:06:34.400 | So I try to about once a week to update this values plan.

00:06:38.900 | All right, for my strategic plans,

00:06:40.700 | how do I maintain those?

00:06:42.100 | Well, once a week, I review them.

00:06:46.000 | We'll get into that more.

00:06:48.100 | And then I say here, I can tweak them

00:06:49.400 | or change them at any time,

00:06:51.100 | but I wanna make sure at the very least

00:06:52.400 | at the beginning of each new semester, I overhaul it.

00:06:55.700 | So they're written for a semester at a time,

00:06:58.200 | but I can tweak them at any time I feel like I should.

00:07:00.500 | And then finally, I talk about my idea notebook

00:07:02.600 | or digital idea storage system.

00:07:04.700 | So I use Obsidian as well as Moleskine.

00:07:07.500 | And I keep ideas in there.

00:07:09.600 | And at the very least, when I do my semester plans

00:07:11.600 | or the updates to the strategic plans,

00:07:13.200 | I'll go through and check those ideas

00:07:14.800 | and see if I need to act on any of them.

00:07:17.000 | All right, so that is the core documents

00:07:20.900 | and how I maintain them.

00:07:21.700 | So quick summary of a document of my values.

00:07:24.000 | I have a career and personal strategic plan.

00:07:27.300 | I look at the values once a week

00:07:28.700 | and pull out this values plan

00:07:30.200 | to just to help keep that at the center of my life.

00:07:32.000 | And I update those strategic plans

00:07:34.000 | usually about once a semester.

00:07:35.500 | All right, the next category for my core systems

00:07:39.900 | is productivity.

00:07:41.200 | So how do I actually organize my time

00:07:46.200 | in a way where I am happy with what I'm producing?

00:07:49.700 | I break this down into weekly and daily planning.

00:07:53.300 | So weekly, each week, I build a weekly plan

00:07:59.500 | based on a review of my strategic plans,

00:08:01.200 | my calendar, my task list, and my value plan.

00:08:02.900 | So I do a weekly plan.

00:08:03.800 | You've heard me talk about this.

00:08:04.700 | I don't get into detail here

00:08:05.800 | about what goes into the weekly plan

00:08:07.100 | because I play it by ear.

00:08:08.800 | I'm flexible.

00:08:10.100 | A very complicated week

00:08:11.500 | in the middle of an academic semester

00:08:13.700 | might have an intricate Jenga game

00:08:15.400 | of how I'm gonna make the whole week work.

00:08:18.100 | A week in July in the middle of the summer

00:08:20.300 | might say, "Write!"

00:08:22.000 | And that's it.

00:08:25.600 | So I don't have a set format for that.

00:08:27.100 | But it's how I make sense of,

00:08:28.900 | what am I working on this week?

00:08:30.800 | What do I need to keep in mind?

00:08:32.100 | Are there any habits or heuristics

00:08:33.600 | I wanna have on top of mind?

00:08:34.900 | Is there any particular things

00:08:36.200 | I need to get done this week?

00:08:37.400 | I need to remember to get it done.

00:08:39.200 | How am I even just attacking this week?

00:08:41.300 | All that's in the weekly plan.

00:08:42.800 | All right, then each day,

00:08:45.600 | I review my weekly plan.

00:08:48.200 | I review my value plan.

00:08:49.300 | I look at my calendar.

00:08:50.600 | And if it's a weekday, I make a time block plan.

00:08:52.800 | So my weekly plan, I check it every day.

00:08:56.200 | The calendar I check every day.

00:08:58.400 | Look at my value plan.

00:08:59.200 | I gotta remember, what am I focusing on?

00:09:00.700 | What's important in my values?

00:09:01.800 | And then I make my time block plan for the day.

00:09:03.600 | If it's not a weekday, then I do something looser.

00:09:06.000 | I don't time block plan weekends,

00:09:07.300 | but you might sketch a quick plan.

00:09:10.200 | Hey, what am I working on today?

00:09:11.200 | What do I need to remember?

00:09:12.500 | That's how my planning works.

00:09:15.000 | So you see how these things start to connect together.

00:09:17.600 | The strategic plan influences the weekly plan.

00:09:21.200 | You look at that weekly plan

00:09:22.300 | when you're making your daily plan.

00:09:23.600 | Your daily plan figures out what you're doing right now.

00:09:26.000 | So what you're doing right now

00:09:27.600 | in this particular system

00:09:28.700 | is influenced by your big picture strategic plans,

00:09:31.500 | but you don't have to think

00:09:32.500 | about your big picture strategic plans right now.

00:09:34.600 | It comes down through these different levels.

00:09:36.800 | All right, two other pieces to my productivity system.

00:09:40.300 | Clear work shutdowns with a shutdown complete ritual.

00:09:44.400 | So you gotta have a clear separation

00:09:45.800 | between work and non-work.

00:09:47.300 | Make a rough but intentional plan

00:09:49.800 | for what you wanna do with the rest of your day

00:09:51.400 | when you shut down.

00:09:52.220 | That's my shutdown routine.

00:09:53.800 | And then full capture.

00:09:55.200 | David Allen right here.

00:09:58.000 | Full capture of tasks.

00:09:59.600 | Make sure at the very least at the shutdown each day,

00:10:02.100 | you process all the tasks that you've captured

00:10:04.100 | into the appropriate systems.

00:10:06.700 | Again, this is all about for me, stress management.

00:10:11.100 | I don't want open loops.

00:10:12.300 | I wanna trust if I write something down,

00:10:14.000 | it will get seen, it will get processed.

00:10:16.500 | It'll get put on the calendar

00:10:17.700 | if it's an appointment or reminder.

00:10:19.400 | It'll get put on my task list if it's a task.

00:10:21.700 | It will update my weekly plan

00:10:23.400 | if it's a thought about what I need to change for my plan.

00:10:26.000 | And there it will be seen the next day.

00:10:28.000 | It'll be seen in when I look at my weekly plan.

00:10:30.000 | It'll get reflected in my time block plan.

00:10:31.600 | It'll be seen when I look at the calendar

00:10:33.100 | to make the plan on the relevant day.

00:10:34.800 | The whole game here is trusting.

00:10:37.300 | I don't have to keep track of things in my mind.

00:10:39.800 | I can have this ambitious schema

00:10:42.700 | for how I'm trying to advance these big picture goals

00:10:45.500 | that have all these moving parts

00:10:46.800 | that are rapidly changing in the moment.

00:10:48.400 | I don't wanna worry about any of it

00:10:49.600 | except for what I'm doing in the moment.

00:10:51.200 | And if it's in the evening,

00:10:52.200 | then I should just be worried about

00:10:54.100 | whatever relaxing thing that I'm trying to do.

00:10:56.600 | All right, the third category here is discipline.

00:11:00.600 | So I maintain in my strategic plans

00:11:04.200 | an evolving list of core disciplines.

00:11:08.700 | This might be things about like exercise.

00:11:10.500 | It might be things about the number of deep work hours

00:11:12.900 | you're gonna do each day.

00:11:13.740 | It might be something if you're in sales

00:11:15.060 | about the number of calls you make every day, whatever.

00:11:17.660 | But the point is,

00:11:18.800 | they're disciplines that I try to strictly follow

00:11:20.700 | to lay a foundation for a deep life.

00:11:22.700 | So I think it's important to have hard disciplines.

00:11:25.000 | I do this, I do that, and I do this other thing.

00:11:28.100 | And I always do those things.

00:11:29.100 | These hard boundaries that you follow

00:11:32.500 | to help establish a foundation of a deeper life.

00:11:37.700 | And so that's the third part of my system

00:11:39.440 | is having this evolving list of disciplines.

00:11:41.800 | I talk about here is I often track these with metrics.

00:11:44.760 | Sometimes I don't.

00:11:45.700 | So typically, if it's during an academic semester,

00:11:50.900 | I'll have a metric code for each of my disciplines

00:11:53.700 | where I can keep track of in my time block planner

00:11:55.440 | and the metric planning space.

00:11:56.440 | Did I do this today?

00:11:57.260 | Did I do this today?

00:11:58.100 | I like to actually see it.

00:11:59.240 | Other times I take a break from it,

00:12:02.000 | like in the summer, for example, or over a break,

00:12:04.100 | I might, there are periods I'll take a break for it.

00:12:06.500 | So that is there,

00:12:07.340 | but I'm typically collecting these metrics.

00:12:09.440 | That's it, that's the system.

00:12:11.800 | That system can support massively complicated ambitions.

00:12:17.400 | That system can support an incredibly complicated,

00:12:21.860 | fast moving professional environment

00:12:24.060 | where it's very difficult to keep track

00:12:26.140 | of all the different things that have to fit together.

00:12:27.960 | This system will support that.

00:12:29.860 | This system will support a life outside of work

00:12:34.860 | that you can be present and intentional and interesting

00:12:37.300 | and pursue things that are interesting to you

00:12:38.860 | and develop yourself and develop your mind,

00:12:40.340 | develop your relationships, not get lost in work

00:12:42.340 | and not get completely overwhelmed with anxiety and stress.

00:12:45.840 | This system will support your pursuit

00:12:49.040 | of living truer to your values, living a good life,

00:12:52.300 | trying to actually practice and implement the things

00:12:54.660 | that make a good life good.

00:12:55.560 | All of these things are important.

00:12:57.140 | This simple system that I describe

00:12:58.740 | in these three categories of notes,

00:13:00.640 | in this one document, handles everything.

00:13:03.660 | And it has in my life for over a decade.

00:13:06.960 | So all this extra type of stuff I was trying to do

00:13:09.040 | in the last few weeks, I realized that all fits in here.

00:13:12.160 | I know this, I trust this, it's not perfect.

00:13:14.400 | Some of this stuff is redundant.

00:13:15.900 | Not all of it makes perfect sense.

00:13:17.260 | Why is the value plan a separate thing?

00:13:18.940 | Shouldn't that be part of the weekly planning?

00:13:20.740 | There's all these little legacy incongruities.

00:13:25.240 | Did I say that right, Jesse?

00:13:26.060 | Incongruities.

00:13:27.500 | Yeah, you said it right, incongruities.

00:13:31.140 | Let me write that down in my disciplines.

00:13:33.060 | Say words correctly.

00:13:35.260 | But it all can be captured here.

00:13:39.000 | And it's a system that can flex.

00:13:40.760 | When you're doing complicated things,

00:13:43.140 | these documents can get big.

00:13:44.900 | Your strategic plans get big.

00:13:46.140 | Your task lists get really big.

00:13:48.300 | Your calendar is full.

00:13:49.940 | You have extended plans that you're linking to

00:13:51.940 | from your strategic plans.

00:13:52.960 | Your weekly plans look like epic essays.

00:13:55.440 | And other periods, you're burnt out,

00:13:58.040 | you're going through a hard time.

00:13:59.700 | The system can contract.

00:14:01.800 | Really just down to the basics, here's my values.

00:14:04.540 | Gotta get this core things done in my life.

00:14:07.540 | A lot of like trying to get out of the despair,

00:14:09.740 | get out of the depths.

00:14:10.600 | The system contracts to that as well.

00:14:11.960 | So it's really a flexible system.

00:14:13.800 | So this is my public apology to my system.

00:14:17.500 | Sorry for thinking I could do a little better.

00:14:20.400 | You've always been what I need in my life.

00:14:23.060 | This then is my call to you out there in my audience.

00:14:26.100 | If you don't already have a pretty effective system

00:14:29.060 | that captures all of the parts of your life,

00:14:31.240 | the things that matter to you,

00:14:32.300 | professional, non-professional,

00:14:34.340 | and goes from, captures everything from those big thoughts

00:14:38.600 | all the way down to what you're doing today,

00:14:40.840 | what you're doing tomorrow.

00:14:42.180 | If you don't have a system like that, try this one.

00:14:45.540 | Try this one for a month.

00:14:47.200 | I don't know why it works so well, but it does.

00:14:49.500 | These parts and the way they mingle

00:14:51.240 | and the daily, weekly, and the flexibility,

00:14:53.780 | it's a decade's worth of experimentation.

00:14:57.240 | It does work.

00:14:58.540 | Give it a try.

00:15:00.080 | At first, it feels like a lot of moving pieces.

00:15:01.940 | You get in the rhythm and it actually makes you feel freer.

00:15:05.340 | And actually makes you feel more relaxed.

00:15:07.480 | Hey, trust it, the system's got me.

00:15:09.480 | And in the end, it does produce stuff that matters.

00:15:11.880 | So that's how I do it.

00:15:14.840 | I don't know.

00:15:15.680 | You've heard me talk about this system before.

00:15:17.680 | - Yeah.

00:15:18.520 | - It's not too complicated, right?

00:15:19.680 | I mean, I'm used to it because I've done it for a decade.

00:15:21.980 | It's like muscle memory for me, but I don't know.

00:15:23.920 | When I read it from scratch,

00:15:25.120 | I'm like, do these pieces click?

00:15:28.420 | - I think for people who hear it

00:15:29.820 | for the first couple of times,

00:15:30.740 | they just gotta watch this video

00:15:32.980 | and then hear you say it a couple of times

00:15:35.340 | 'cause it does make a lot of sense after.

00:15:37.140 | And I've been doing it for a couple of years

00:15:39.680 | since you started your podcast.

00:15:41.980 | - Yeah, it's worked for you, right?

00:15:43.240 | - Yeah, it's great.

00:15:44.220 | And then in terms of the discipline stuff,

00:15:47.520 | I was thinking about your buddy, Ryan,

00:15:49.240 | is writing a new book called "Discipline."

00:15:50.680 | Have you already read it?

00:15:52.280 | - Not yet.

00:15:53.120 | "Discipline" is something.

00:15:55.880 | - Yeah.

00:15:57.620 | - I forgot the word is.

00:15:58.440 | Yeah, because Ryan's doing a book

00:15:59.280 | on each of the four cardinal virtues.

00:16:00.920 | - Yeah.

00:16:01.740 | - Yeah.

00:16:02.580 | Yeah, he has a whole book.

00:16:03.420 | I'm excited for it.

00:16:04.480 | - I don't know if he gave you

00:16:05.320 | like an advanced copy or something.

00:16:06.380 | - He will.

00:16:07.220 | I mean, we share an editor.

00:16:09.180 | - Yeah.

00:16:10.020 | - So we tend to see each other's work.

00:16:12.120 | I talk to him quite a bit.

00:16:13.420 | That was the last thing, by the way,

00:16:15.740 | that was added to my,

00:16:16.680 | if you look at a decade,

00:16:18.180 | the last thing that was added to my system

00:16:20.740 | was being explicit about what are the disciplines?

00:16:23.580 | What are the, I do these seven things.

00:16:25.440 | And just being clear about that.

00:16:26.620 | I was kind of informally doing things,

00:16:28.880 | like exercise or whatever.

00:16:30.140 | But for me, if it's not written down,

00:16:32.420 | other people don't have this issue,

00:16:33.320 | but for me, if it's not written down,

00:16:34.640 | I don't fully trust it and then I get anxious.

00:16:37.380 | So I have to have it written down

00:16:39.880 | and it all has to connect back.

00:16:41.440 | It all has to connect back to this root document.

00:16:45.140 | So there we go.

00:16:47.520 | - I was listening to an interview with Sisson and Rogan

00:16:52.520 | and he, it was actually from 2021.

00:16:57.520 | - I listened to that one.

00:16:58.420 | - Yeah.

00:16:59.240 | I just listened to it like yesterday.

00:17:00.520 | I just stumbled across it.

00:17:02.140 | But he was talking about,

00:17:03.440 | they were talking about discipline

00:17:04.640 | and then Rogan was talking about his 15,

00:17:07.120 | like his 25 minute session in the sauna

00:17:09.280 | and then 15 minutes, like the last 10 minutes,

00:17:11.520 | he's got this breathing routine.

00:17:13.620 | If he thinks about anything else,

00:17:14.780 | he adds like an extra breath.

00:17:16.580 | - But you got, if you ever heard Joe Rogan

00:17:20.520 | talk to Laird Hamilton,

00:17:22.580 | I don't know, he was on the show a couple of years ago.

00:17:24.520 | You know Laird Hamilton, right?

00:17:25.440 | - Yeah.

00:17:26.280 | - Laird Hamilton fan.

00:17:27.120 | And Rogan, I guess, was talking about his,

00:17:28.040 | like I do this like hardcore sauna thing.

00:17:30.080 | And Laird was like, hold my beer.

00:17:32.480 | Laird is like insane.

00:17:34.220 | That guy is so interesting.

00:17:35.920 | - He swims with like dumbbells.

00:17:37.320 | - He swims with dumbbells.

00:17:38.280 | He has a giant sauna.

00:17:39.340 | And so Rogan's like, man,

00:17:40.740 | I stay in my sauna for like 15 minutes.

00:17:44.140 | - 25 minutes.

00:17:44.980 | - 25 minutes, yeah.

00:17:45.940 | Laird Hamilton brings an assault bike into the sauna,

00:17:48.920 | which for people who don't know,

00:17:50.380 | is like the hardest single piece of, right?

00:17:52.980 | Exercise equipment.

00:17:53.820 | It's like you do your arms and your legs and resistance.

00:17:56.480 | You're like mountain climbing.

00:17:57.720 | I don't know, it's impossible, right?

00:17:58.680 | It's like one of the hardest single exercise you can do.

00:18:02.240 | He brings one of those into a giant barrel sauna

00:18:04.780 | and does it and then gets into an ice bath.

00:18:08.220 | So, you know,

00:18:11.780 | his discipline document is more impressive than mine.

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