Everyday Educator - Life-changing Learning—for Parents
00:00:00.000 | (upbeat music)
00:00:02.580 | - Welcome friends to this episode
00:00:06.000 | of the "Everyday Educator" podcast.
00:00:08.800 | I'm your host, Lisa Bailey,
00:00:10.360 | and I'm excited to spend some time with you today
00:00:13.100 | as we encourage one another, learn together,
00:00:16.560 | and ponder the delights and challenges
00:00:19.600 | that make homeschooling the adventure of a lifetime.
00:00:23.000 | Whether you're just considering
00:00:24.940 | this homeschooling possibility,
00:00:27.120 | or deep into the daily delight of family learning,
00:00:31.220 | I believe you will enjoy thinking along with us.
00:00:35.540 | But don't forget,
00:00:36.780 | although this online community is awesome,
00:00:40.180 | you will find even closer support in a local CC community.
00:00:44.860 | So go to classicalconversations.com
00:00:48.380 | and find a community near you today.
00:00:51.780 | Well, listeners, I'm excited about this episode
00:00:54.860 | of the "Everyday Educator" podcast.
00:00:57.460 | I have a great couple to introduce you to,
00:01:01.300 | and a wonderful organization to make you aware of.
00:01:05.420 | The Classical Learning Cohort has been a blessing
00:01:10.060 | to parents for several years now.
00:01:12.300 | And the ways that it has blessed families
00:01:17.660 | by helping those parents and tutors and directors
00:01:22.540 | feel like they are learning more and more
00:01:26.220 | about the classical skills.
00:01:27.860 | They are becoming better classical learners
00:01:31.340 | so that they can pass on the skills of learning
00:01:34.860 | to their students and to their children.
00:01:37.140 | So I wanna introduce you to John and Rebecca Saw.
00:01:42.140 | They are going to give us an up-close and personal look
00:01:47.940 | at the Classical Learning Cohort.
00:01:50.500 | Guys, I'm so happy to have you today.
00:01:53.540 | - Thank you. - Well, thank you.
00:01:56.020 | - Rebecca, you actually work for Classical Conversations,
00:02:00.020 | and so you are, some people might say,
00:02:02.540 | "Oh, well, Rebecca's paid to know all about the CLC."
00:02:06.820 | So I wanna acknowledge that right up front.
00:02:09.380 | Tell us a little bit, Rebecca, about what you do.
00:02:12.500 | - Yes, so I am called
00:02:16.520 | the Classical Learning Cohort Support Specialist,
00:02:20.220 | and so what that looks like daily is I support mentors,
00:02:25.220 | I help coach them, I also communicate regularly
00:02:30.380 | to people who are interested in the cohort
00:02:33.520 | and speak with them about what it provides
00:02:37.020 | and how it might help fit their needs,
00:02:39.340 | and then I hire and train new mentors
00:02:44.340 | to set them up for success.
00:02:46.540 | And then each year, I plan and host a retreat
00:02:51.540 | with the mentors for anyone who has ever taken
00:02:57.060 | at least one semester of a cohort,
00:02:59.260 | they are invited to come to that,
00:03:01.600 | and we feast together, we have fun together,
00:03:05.780 | we fellowship, we do lessons
00:03:09.260 | on things outside of academic content,
00:03:12.140 | we read a book together and discuss it,
00:03:13.980 | and we celebrate our graduates.
00:03:16.260 | - Man, that is a lot of good stuff.
00:03:17.700 | Okay, I heard a bunch of things in there
00:03:20.060 | that I want to be sure that we come back
00:03:22.420 | and touch on during the podcast together,
00:03:25.300 | and I know that you will.
00:03:26.740 | Mentors, retreat, and cohort,
00:03:32.420 | those are three of the big things that you mentioned
00:03:35.260 | that I know I have some questions about
00:03:37.620 | and I suspect my listeners have questions about too.
00:03:40.700 | I know that a lot of that is gonna come out
00:03:42.740 | as we continue our discussion.
00:03:45.700 | I want to start at the very beginning with you, Rebecca.
00:03:49.500 | Do you remember when you heard
00:03:52.020 | about the Classical Learning Cohort
00:03:54.460 | for the first time ever, you personally?
00:03:57.800 | What intrigued you when you first heard about it?
00:04:00.760 | - Well, I joined the cohort
00:04:03.940 | when I was an academics advisor for Challenge A,
00:04:08.260 | and so it was part of my continuing education
00:04:11.220 | and growth in classical Christian pedagogy.
00:04:15.140 | And I was intrigued, honestly,
00:04:18.740 | by the warmth and hospitality of my mentor.
00:04:21.860 | I really didn't know what to expect,
00:04:25.140 | but when she brought me in and got to know me
00:04:28.980 | and established a relationship with me,
00:04:31.380 | and also just all of the amazing parents
00:04:33.700 | that I met from all around the world that do CC,
00:04:37.460 | I was so inspired by my interactions with them.
00:04:42.180 | - That's really cool.
00:04:44.960 | The whole, you were pulled in
00:04:47.300 | by what you might be able to learn
00:04:49.380 | and how you might equip yourself,
00:04:51.320 | but you stayed because of the community.
00:04:53.500 | I think that happens to a lot of us.
00:04:56.380 | So, John, I discovered that you are also
00:05:00.680 | a Classical Learning Cohort person.
00:05:05.080 | How did you hear about the CLC for the first time
00:05:09.580 | and what pulled you in?
00:05:12.900 | - Yes, so when I first started hearing about it,
00:05:16.760 | I just assumed that Rebecca needed to take
00:05:19.740 | this extra class to be a better challenge director.
00:05:24.740 | But when she became a mentor and started leading the cohorts
00:05:30.640 | was when I started to be more intrigued.
00:05:33.000 | She would explain how her cohorts went
00:05:38.640 | and describe what conversations were happening.
00:05:41.780 | And I joined because I had just finished
00:05:44.500 | being a Challenge IV director, and I knew I needed help.
00:05:49.180 | I wanted to be better prepared
00:05:50.700 | in case I was asked to be a director again.
00:05:54.500 | - That's kind of cool.
00:05:55.420 | I like it that you got intrigued
00:05:58.900 | by what Rebecca was doing with the people she worked with,
00:06:03.380 | and you saw some value in it for yourself.
00:06:06.780 | I love that.
00:06:07.940 | So you both joined for your own reasons,
00:06:12.940 | but you were hoping to learn something.
00:06:16.660 | What was it that you hoped you would learn with the CLC?
00:06:21.660 | How did you think, John, you've said you really thought
00:06:26.020 | it would help you to be a better Challenge IV tutor,
00:06:30.740 | a better conversation leader.
00:06:33.980 | Were you right?
00:06:37.260 | What did you hope to learn
00:06:38.580 | and how did you think it would help?
00:06:40.820 | And were you right, John?
00:06:43.100 | - Yes.
00:06:43.940 | So I wanted the cohort to help me ask better questions
00:06:48.940 | and guiding the conversations in a challenge class.
00:06:53.300 | And I thought it would help me by being more immersed
00:06:56.100 | in the five common topics and the canons of rhetoric.
00:06:59.900 | I knew about them, but wasn't comfortable in applying them.
00:07:05.260 | And the cohort gave me space to have conversations
00:07:09.780 | about them and to practice them through my lesson planning
00:07:14.580 | and through receiving and giving assessments.
00:07:17.440 | - That's great.
00:07:20.020 | That's great.
00:07:20.860 | I know, you know, in our classical circles,
00:07:24.820 | we throw around these 15 skills a lot.
00:07:29.420 | You know, we throw around the naming, attending,
00:07:32.060 | memorizing, expressing, storytelling,
00:07:35.140 | or the names in the five core habits.
00:07:38.620 | And then we throw around, oh, we want to get very immersed
00:07:42.380 | in the five common topics.
00:07:43.820 | So Rebecca, help us remember,
00:07:46.100 | what are the five common topics?
00:07:48.220 | - Yes, so that would be definition, comparison,
00:07:52.460 | circumstance, relationship, and testimony or authority.
00:07:57.460 | - Yes.
00:07:58.420 | And what's the whole purpose of the five common topics?
00:08:01.700 | I know a lot of people who can say,
00:08:03.500 | oh yeah, I know about the five common topics
00:08:05.380 | and they can rattle off the names.
00:08:06.780 | And then somebody will say to them,
00:08:09.220 | what's the good of knowing that?
00:08:10.980 | And then they're stumped.
00:08:12.540 | - Well, I think what we've learned
00:08:15.700 | is that having a classical conversation
00:08:20.300 | is really helping someone else
00:08:23.140 | discover truth for themselves.
00:08:25.940 | I can tell you things all day long,
00:08:29.140 | but in order for it to become a part of you
00:08:31.980 | and for you to be on your own learning journey,
00:08:34.260 | I need to know how to ask good questions
00:08:36.740 | to get that out of you.
00:08:40.180 | - So that's perfect.
00:08:42.780 | So these five common topics are ways of asking questions
00:08:47.780 | that allow somebody to begin the journey of exploration
00:08:52.860 | about that topic, no matter what it is.
00:08:55.380 | - Yes.
00:08:57.340 | - That is super cool.
00:08:58.500 | That is super cool.
00:08:59.340 | Yeah, John, I can see how that would help you.
00:09:01.620 | As a tutor, as a director,
00:09:04.380 | it would help you to ask your students better questions
00:09:09.380 | that would help them delve more deeply into a subject
00:09:13.860 | and kind of build their own understanding.
00:09:16.980 | That's really good.
00:09:18.660 | That's really good.
00:09:19.580 | I like it that you said the cohort helped you
00:09:24.180 | have the space to have conversations about these skills
00:09:29.180 | and get more comfortable with them
00:09:31.740 | and gave you time to think about how to use them
00:09:35.220 | in your lesson planning.
00:09:36.580 | - That's correct.
00:09:38.740 | - Rebecca, what about you?
00:09:41.620 | What did you hope?
00:09:42.580 | I know you said you got involved as a way
00:09:45.620 | to do continuing ed when you were an academic advisor.
00:09:49.060 | How did you think it would help you?
00:09:52.020 | And were you right?
00:09:54.500 | - Yeah, so I think for me,
00:09:56.340 | I was hoping it would help me invite a learner
00:09:59.900 | who was apprehensive or frustrated in their learning
00:10:04.500 | into a conversation,
00:10:06.140 | because that would happen sometimes at home
00:10:08.460 | and that would happen sometimes in community.
00:10:11.460 | And my heart is really to help others
00:10:13.860 | be able to reach and connect with their students.
00:10:16.900 | So for instance, if I'm teaching a focus lesson
00:10:22.660 | about a particular topic to lead students
00:10:25.540 | to a particular answer,
00:10:27.820 | such as how to translate a verb
00:10:30.980 | in second conjugation in Latin,
00:10:32.860 | or perform stoichiometry in chemistry,
00:10:36.580 | or transpose a chord in music theory.
00:10:40.660 | So the first step as a parent or a tutor
00:10:43.620 | is you have to learn how to do the concept yourself,
00:10:47.140 | which is classical.
00:10:49.060 | And if people have gotten that far,
00:10:50.900 | like good job, mom and dad, that's amazing.
00:10:54.620 | And you think like, that's it.
00:10:56.980 | - Yes, yes, well, you have become a lifelong learner.
00:11:01.460 | Maybe it's something that you didn't remember.
00:11:03.580 | I can remember doing stoichiometry in chemistry
00:11:06.540 | and thinking, sitting at the table with my daughter,
00:11:08.620 | thinking this is more chemistry than I did 30 years ago.
00:11:12.100 | I don't actually want to be doing this,
00:11:13.900 | but by gosh, I'm gonna learn it with you.
00:11:16.060 | - Right, so like that's the first step.
00:11:18.020 | You actually have to be willing to learn it
00:11:21.060 | and dig in for yourself as a parent.
00:11:23.380 | - Yeah.
00:11:24.460 | - And then I think after that,
00:11:26.340 | many times like that's just as much energy
00:11:29.220 | as parents have like to give.
00:11:31.260 | And so they're like, okay, I figured this out.
00:11:34.900 | Come on kids, come to the table.
00:11:37.180 | - Yes.
00:11:38.660 | - I just need to tell you how to do this
00:11:40.540 | so that you can go do your homework
00:11:42.740 | and get your school done.
00:11:44.420 | And in that moment, I realized
00:11:47.820 | I had stopped teaching classically.
00:11:51.100 | So I had learned classically,
00:11:54.180 | but then I just wanted them to sit and listen to me,
00:11:57.940 | you know, talk for however long
00:11:59.580 | about how to do this thing.
00:12:00.780 | - Get it out.
00:12:02.100 | - Right.
00:12:02.980 | So the cohort mentors show you
00:12:07.380 | how to help someone else learn anything
00:12:11.740 | in any program, in any age through a conversation
00:12:15.500 | where you are attending to what the human in front of you
00:12:20.180 | is or is not understanding every step of the way
00:12:24.260 | until the very end
00:12:25.820 | where they can actually explain it back to you.
00:12:29.540 | And it just reminds me of the way Christ walks alongside us
00:12:33.820 | and that's how the mentors
00:12:35.980 | want to walk alongside our learners.
00:12:38.900 | - This is really beautiful.
00:12:41.460 | And I appreciate so much what you have said.
00:12:44.900 | I don't want any of my listeners,
00:12:46.820 | 'cause this happened to me when Rebecca was talking,
00:12:50.260 | I had a, yes, I'm doing it, I did that, I did that.
00:12:53.220 | And then you got to the part where you said,
00:12:55.540 | you've just stopped teaching classically.
00:12:57.540 | And I went, oh, 'cause that's me too.
00:13:00.980 | That was me a lot of times.
00:13:03.020 | I was very, especially in my early years,
00:13:06.340 | I was very, after I knew what classical education
00:13:09.740 | was all about and I was committed to it,
00:13:12.220 | I was very eager to reclaim my own education.
00:13:16.300 | And I did a good job of getting down
00:13:19.260 | and learning the grammar
00:13:20.620 | and then putting the pieces together
00:13:22.380 | so that I could solve a problem
00:13:25.180 | or create something beautiful
00:13:26.820 | or pass it on to somebody else.
00:13:29.300 | But a lot of times I did find myself
00:13:34.620 | just telling my kids what I had learned
00:13:39.900 | instead of asking questions of them
00:13:43.900 | to discover where they were.
00:13:46.420 | So listeners, if you think,
00:13:47.940 | yep, that's where I fell off the wagon too,
00:13:50.140 | don't despair and don't stay off the wagon.
00:13:53.140 | Rebecca and John are helping us see
00:13:56.220 | how the classical learning cohort allows us
00:14:00.220 | to stay on the classical learning wagon
00:14:03.620 | and ride it all the way to the end.
00:14:06.300 | I love, love, love what you said.
00:14:08.820 | The mentors show you how to help somebody else
00:14:12.500 | learn anything through conversation.
00:14:16.300 | And that is beautiful
00:14:19.180 | because that is education through relationship.
00:14:23.060 | And I personally believe that is the most powerful
00:14:25.700 | kind of education we have.
00:14:27.340 | Yeah, okay, so let's get down.
00:14:31.540 | You have whetted all of our appetites
00:14:34.420 | for this thing that sounds absolutely amazing.
00:14:37.620 | And you have made it seem like something
00:14:39.980 | regular people can do.
00:14:42.900 | So tell us how it works.
00:14:44.700 | How does the classical learning cohort work?
00:14:48.180 | I mean, is it in person?
00:14:50.700 | Is it online?
00:14:51.660 | Do we learn from a book, from a group?
00:14:53.820 | You mentioned mentors and cohorts.
00:14:56.220 | I have lots of questions.
00:14:58.140 | So Rebecca, walk us through.
00:14:59.940 | How do you join and when does it start?
00:15:02.780 | What does it look like?
00:15:05.620 | Okay, yes, so right now it's online.
00:15:09.540 | Each cohort has one mentor and up to six members.
00:15:14.020 | And these are all members that are part of CC
00:15:17.340 | anywhere around the world.
00:15:19.420 | We have hopes to be in person one day
00:15:22.860 | where our mentors live.
00:15:24.900 | And registration is located in the bookstore,
00:15:30.540 | the CC bookstore.
00:15:32.060 | And it happens twice a year in fall and spring.
00:15:36.020 | Okay, so that makes me think it's like a semester long.
00:15:39.220 | Each cohort is a semester long, is that true?
00:15:42.940 | Yes, it lasts within a semester.
00:15:46.540 | It is six meetings and they're each two hours long.
00:15:50.780 | So you sign up for a day in time
00:15:53.660 | and then six of those dates in the semester
00:15:56.700 | you'll be meeting with your group.
00:15:58.220 | Okay, and it's online.
00:16:00.140 | And how do you, I mean, do you read something
00:16:05.260 | and then talk about it?
00:16:06.620 | Do you read when you're together online?
00:16:09.340 | Is there studying involved in between the meetings?
00:16:12.900 | How do you prepare?
00:16:15.060 | And how do you sharpen one another
00:16:19.660 | when you're online together?
00:16:21.340 | Well, when we're online together,
00:16:25.700 | we spend time discussing teaching,
00:16:28.820 | hospitality or assessment.
00:16:32.020 | And there is an online platform that you become part of.
00:16:37.020 | And so within that, there are videos,
00:16:44.660 | there are resources and worksheets
00:16:47.220 | and things to help you to prepare your lessons
00:16:51.420 | and to present.
00:16:52.900 | And then during the cohort,
00:16:56.740 | also the mentor will model lessons to you
00:17:00.620 | and then you will bring two of your own every semester
00:17:05.540 | and present those.
00:17:07.540 | And then afterwards,
00:17:10.260 | the mentor will give you a live assessment
00:17:13.780 | of what you did well and what you could improve.
00:17:16.540 | And then the members will also give written assessment.
00:17:20.540 | And so what happens is you're just in a very unusual place
00:17:25.540 | where you're with six other adults
00:17:29.700 | that are all doing the same thing you're doing
00:17:31.660 | at their home and in community
00:17:33.140 | and they're giving you adult valuable feedback.
00:17:37.540 | So you grow very fast in a short, intense amount of time.
00:17:42.460 | - It's like on the job training.
00:17:44.100 | 'Cause you said, Peep,
00:17:46.900 | these are folks that are part of classical conversations
00:17:50.500 | all around the world.
00:17:52.540 | So you are choosing a lesson that you want to teach
00:17:58.220 | when it's your turn?
00:17:59.540 | - Yep, it's anything that you're doing at home
00:18:02.940 | with your kids or in community if you're a leader.
00:18:05.820 | So we don't want you to spend extra time
00:18:09.380 | planning something that you're not gonna use.
00:18:11.460 | You're actually doing exactly what you're doing at home
00:18:15.100 | and using them.
00:18:15.980 | - Oh, that is so good.
00:18:17.580 | Yeah, because that means that I am, like you said,
00:18:20.380 | not taking extra time,
00:18:21.940 | but I'm getting better
00:18:23.500 | at what I'm already immersing myself in.
00:18:26.940 | - Exactly.
00:18:27.980 | I love that.
00:18:28.900 | And I'm already obviously very motivated to do it
00:18:32.620 | 'cause I'm already doing it.
00:18:34.540 | And the cohort is just gonna help me get better at it.
00:18:39.100 | So does the mentor model the lesson first
00:18:41.740 | so that us cohort members get an idea
00:18:46.740 | of what we're shooting for?
00:18:48.340 | - Yes, we'll actually model lessons in every meeting.
00:18:51.820 | So you're constantly seeing lessons in different strands
00:18:57.140 | and you are also learning some aspect
00:19:01.460 | of teaching and pedagogy each time.
00:19:04.500 | So very similar to other things in our program,
00:19:07.060 | it's like easy plus one.
00:19:08.740 | So each meeting you're also learning one more new thing
00:19:11.820 | to add to your lesson.
00:19:13.940 | - And I absolutely love that you said
00:19:16.980 | you spend time talking about teaching,
00:19:20.100 | which yeah, we could all have figured that out.
00:19:21.980 | The classical learning cohort is gonna teach me
00:19:24.220 | how to be a better teacher of my children.
00:19:27.020 | But also you said hospitality and assessment.
00:19:31.140 | And I have talked to enough members of CLC
00:19:35.860 | and enough mentors even of CLC groups
00:19:40.860 | that I know that hospitality and assessment training
00:19:45.660 | is super important and maybe not the most obvious part
00:19:50.660 | of what participants gain.
00:19:53.660 | - Yes.
00:19:55.780 | - I just love that.
00:19:56.620 | I think that's gonna be really great.
00:19:58.980 | John, from your perspective now,
00:20:00.700 | I know Rebecca, you have been a mentor.
00:20:03.340 | John, have you been a mentor before or just a cohort member?
00:20:08.180 | - Just a cohort member.
00:20:09.980 | - So what did you feel like you did
00:20:12.100 | when you got involved in the cohort?
00:20:14.060 | What do you do?
00:20:15.140 | What did you do as a member?
00:20:17.100 | - So for me, it was mainly about having conversations.
00:20:23.100 | - Yeah.
00:20:23.940 | - So being more of an introvert,
00:20:26.500 | having an engaging conversation
00:20:28.620 | has been the most surprising aspect of the cohort
00:20:31.980 | in which frankly, I've missed the most.
00:20:34.900 | So the conversations can be about ideas or concepts,
00:20:39.460 | but they feed off of each other's experiences
00:20:42.740 | and perspectives.
00:20:44.100 | So learning to listen was another aspect of the cohort
00:20:48.780 | that I learned anew.
00:20:52.900 | - That's really cool.
00:20:54.020 | I think that for a lot of us,
00:20:57.980 | listening is way harder than talking.
00:21:00.780 | And so anything that helps us, I think,
00:21:04.300 | be better listeners will make us more valuable
00:21:07.380 | to our families and to our students
00:21:10.540 | and to our churches and to our communities.
00:21:14.140 | I love that.
00:21:14.980 | Did you find, John, that participation in the cohort,
00:21:21.660 | I don't want to say helped you overcome being an introvert
00:21:24.820 | 'cause I don't really think it's something
00:21:26.300 | that you need to overcome,
00:21:27.980 | but did it help you as an introvert be more comfortable
00:21:32.980 | with different kinds of conversations?
00:21:35.940 | - Yeah, definitely.
00:21:38.720 | Yeah, I would say it definitely opened me up
00:21:43.660 | to be ready to engage,
00:21:49.180 | not to sit back and just listen.
00:21:52.860 | And the mentors would not allow me just to sit back.
00:21:57.220 | - To fade into the woodwork.
00:21:59.540 | - They call you out, they call you by name,
00:22:01.540 | they make sure everybody's engaged.
00:22:03.540 | - Well, I think that's really good
00:22:06.740 | because it is easy for talkative people to take over
00:22:11.420 | and for people who have ideas,
00:22:14.260 | but not a lot of extrovert tendencies
00:22:19.020 | to sink back into the background
00:22:20.780 | and their ideas don't ever get the play that they deserve.
00:22:24.440 | I love it.
00:22:26.900 | So I know that for classical conversations,
00:22:30.860 | the three things that people everywhere know about CC
00:22:35.580 | is that we are a classical education company,
00:22:39.540 | we are a Christian education company,
00:22:41.540 | and that community is super important to us.
00:22:45.500 | So how would you say, John,
00:22:47.700 | how would you say that the classical learning cohort
00:22:51.820 | is Christian?
00:22:53.120 | - So I would say that we use Jesus' example
00:23:00.060 | of using questions to reveal truths about himself
00:23:03.660 | and his disciples.
00:23:05.260 | - Yeah.
00:23:06.100 | - A prime example would be Matthew 16,
00:23:10.540 | verses 13 through 15, where he asks,
00:23:13.280 | "Who do people say that the Son of Man is?"
00:23:17.420 | And then he follows that warmup question
00:23:19.500 | by asking a more pointed question,
00:23:21.780 | "Who do you say that I am?"
00:23:24.980 | So ultimately we're using Jesus' example of using questions
00:23:29.520 | to reveal truths about ourselves and him.
00:23:33.000 | - That's really good.
00:23:34.180 | That is really good.
00:23:35.660 | Jesus was a super good question asker
00:23:39.100 | and he asked questions that went right
00:23:41.860 | to the heart of the matter.
00:23:42.960 | And the thing I love about Jesus and his stories,
00:23:46.260 | when he starts asking questions of people,
00:23:48.300 | he starts kind of way out and he just,
00:23:51.960 | it's not that he's lulling people in,
00:23:54.800 | but he draws people in and then there's the question
00:23:58.780 | that goes to the heart of the matter.
00:24:00.540 | And so I love that, that the CLC helps us
00:24:04.420 | to ask good questions that, I love what you said,
00:24:08.140 | it reveals truths about ourselves and about the Lord also.
00:24:11.840 | So Rebecca, let me throw the classical ball to you.
00:24:18.540 | How is the CLC, how can you see
00:24:22.660 | the classical learning cohort being classical in nature?
00:24:27.660 | - Yeah, well, when I was thinking about this
00:24:31.380 | and things that are classical always come in threes.
00:24:35.620 | - Oh my goodness, yes.
00:24:37.660 | - So I think I like to share three ways
00:24:41.580 | that it is classical.
00:24:43.580 | The first is that we learn how we can use the 15 skills
00:24:48.580 | like you alluded to before,
00:24:50.620 | to teach through asking questions.
00:24:54.160 | The mentors model lessons by asking questions
00:24:57.220 | to lead their learners on an adventure of discovery
00:25:00.700 | rather than listening to a boring lecture,
00:25:03.260 | which is what some of our experiences
00:25:05.900 | might've been in the past in education.
00:25:09.940 | So you're in a live conversation,
00:25:12.100 | experiencing what it's like to learn
00:25:14.300 | through a conversation actively
00:25:18.180 | rather than listening to a video or a lecture passively.
00:25:22.720 | - Yeah, yeah, that's just beautiful.
00:25:26.860 | I love that adventure of discovery.
00:25:30.620 | And that's what it is when somebody invites you
00:25:33.460 | to take part instead of just expecting you to listen
00:25:36.840 | as they ramble on.
00:25:38.180 | - Mm-hmm, yes.
00:25:39.700 | Secondly, so the mentors show you what to do
00:25:45.780 | and then we give you an opportunity to do it yourself.
00:25:50.900 | So another part of our time together
00:25:53.260 | is giving members a space to actually practice
00:25:56.380 | what they've learned through leading their own lessons
00:25:59.320 | that they've brought and then navigating and responding
00:26:04.320 | to the people before them, right?
00:26:06.960 | So it's not just they show up
00:26:10.000 | and because they're not lecturing the whole time,
00:26:12.480 | they've come with questions.
00:26:13.840 | They don't know what people are going to say.
00:26:16.440 | So part of that is learning how to navigate
00:26:20.160 | and respond to those answers to continue
00:26:23.300 | to guide those humans in front of them
00:26:26.260 | to the one needful thing that they brought
00:26:28.840 | and that they're hoping that they'll discover
00:26:30.840 | in their conversation.
00:26:32.600 | - I love that.
00:26:33.440 | So it really is a guiding discussion on the fly
00:26:37.840 | 'cause like you said,
00:26:38.880 | you don't know what somebody's gonna ask you
00:26:40.640 | and so you have to be always ready
00:26:43.080 | to deal with who's in front of you.
00:26:45.400 | - Mm-hmm, yes.
00:26:47.040 | And the third way is you practice giving
00:26:50.360 | and receiving hospitable assessment to other adults,
00:26:54.260 | which sadly is a lost skill in our culture today.
00:26:58.520 | You have a mentor who sees you as valuable
00:27:02.080 | and able of doing the task before you
00:27:04.880 | and they showed up to help build your confidence
00:27:08.080 | and help you grow so that when you get off the cohort,
00:27:11.720 | which was John and I's experience and return to your family,
00:27:15.480 | you really have been refreshed
00:27:17.740 | and encouraged to stay in the game,
00:27:20.080 | stay in homeschooling a few more weeks
00:27:22.080 | or a few more months
00:27:24.200 | and can truly experience the joy of learning again
00:27:28.720 | with your family,
00:27:29.560 | which I think is what we are all after.
00:27:32.560 | - Yeah, that equipping that leads you to be so encouraged
00:27:36.840 | that you're inspired to keep going.
00:27:40.280 | I think that's really great.
00:27:41.940 | It's a good, good, good.
00:27:45.440 | It builds community.
00:27:46.600 | So talk about community.
00:27:48.400 | - Yes, so how community comes in
00:27:50.760 | is we are sharing experiences of homeschool parents
00:27:55.760 | all doing the same program wherever we live
00:27:59.160 | and having the same shared struggle, for instance,
00:28:02.420 | of science fair or mock trial or debate or Latin.
00:28:07.160 | - That's so good.
00:28:08.600 | - Yeah, so we have that in the meeting,
00:28:10.840 | but also outside of the meeting,
00:28:12.880 | there's an online discussion forum
00:28:15.160 | where you can share resources with each other,
00:28:17.560 | ask questions about anything in your homeschooling journey
00:28:21.560 | and receive feedback from the wisdom
00:28:24.400 | and experience of the members,
00:28:26.440 | but also of your experienced mentor.
00:28:30.060 | - Such, that's an awesome support network.
00:28:33.480 | I can remember years ago, speaking at practicums,
00:28:37.520 | I would say to people, look around at this big group.
00:28:41.480 | The truth is, as long as we don't all have a bad day,
00:28:45.320 | on the same day, we can all keep going.
00:28:48.260 | Rebecca, I know when I first asked you
00:28:51.640 | about talking to me about the CLC,
00:28:54.280 | you said, what if I bring my husband too?
00:28:56.840 | And I was surprised.
00:28:58.680 | How did you get your husband to join the CLC?
00:29:02.640 | Are there many other dads or homeschooling dads involved?
00:29:07.480 | - Actually, she didn't try to convince me to join.
00:29:11.480 | - Yay.
00:29:13.760 | - She had just told me in passing
00:29:15.600 | that she thought the cohort
00:29:16.840 | would help me be a better director
00:29:19.680 | and help me lead Bible studies better.
00:29:24.000 | And so I didn't even tell Rebecca
00:29:26.120 | that I was joining the cohort.
00:29:28.680 | It might've been that I wanted to surprise her,
00:29:32.920 | but it was more likely that I just forgot to tell her.
00:29:35.920 | And she found out about me joining from her friend
00:29:40.920 | who oversaw the registration process.
00:29:44.340 | - I was gonna ask you, Rebecca,
00:29:45.900 | what was the biggest surprise about what you've learned,
00:29:48.060 | but maybe your biggest surprise
00:29:49.340 | was that John was in on it too.
00:29:51.620 | - Yeah, she texted me,
00:29:53.740 | "Hey, did you know your husband joined the cohort?"
00:29:56.420 | I'm like, what?
00:29:57.260 | - You're like, what?
00:29:58.100 | - What are you talking about?
00:29:59.260 | - That's so great.
00:30:00.580 | That is so great.
00:30:02.100 | So I know that you are both aware of what you could gain
00:30:06.540 | and you had expectations and hopes for what you would learn.
00:30:09.660 | But I also know that after people get involved in things,
00:30:13.260 | a lot of times there are surprise benefits
00:30:15.940 | or happy surprises.
00:30:18.020 | Rebecca, tell me, well, let me start with John.
00:30:20.800 | What's been the biggest surprise?
00:30:22.540 | - The biggest surprise for me was that there was a form,
00:30:28.900 | a method to preparing a lesson and presenting the lesson.
00:30:33.520 | And so there's a method to guiding the students
00:30:36.900 | by having a conversation through asking questions.
00:30:42.700 | And so it wasn't anything that I had to come up on my own,
00:30:46.660 | that there's a help in preparing lessons.
00:30:51.660 | And another surprise to me was how useful comparison can be
00:30:59.320 | to spark that aha moment in myself and the learners.
00:31:05.100 | Sometimes comparison is needed to find that truth
00:31:08.320 | when other skills might not reveal that.
00:31:12.060 | Yeah.
00:31:15.300 | - That's great, that's great.
00:31:16.860 | And I think that we don't always recognize
00:31:21.500 | how these skills of learning can lead us deeper.
00:31:27.220 | And so, yeah, what a blessing to learn that comparison
00:31:30.620 | would really bring the aha even for you.
00:31:33.220 | Any other bonuses for you?
00:31:37.980 | - The bonus for me was how I saw the value of assessment
00:31:41.980 | in my own growth.
00:31:43.700 | I never imagined that I would come to value assessment.
00:31:47.780 | - Yeah.
00:31:48.740 | - But I had to come to realization that assessment
00:31:52.660 | is different from criticism,
00:31:55.260 | that it's actually a learning skill.
00:31:57.420 | - And you know, I think for a lot of us,
00:32:00.580 | that could be the biggest thing that we learn,
00:32:04.900 | that assessment is different than criticism.
00:32:08.300 | And that assessment is about helping us to grow.
00:32:12.340 | And so I really appreciate that comment, John.
00:32:18.260 | That's something I think that a lot of my listeners
00:32:21.140 | would enjoy pursuing.
00:32:24.340 | So Rebecca, what about you?
00:32:25.620 | What's your biggest surprise?
00:32:27.620 | - Well, I will try to hold it together and not cry.
00:32:34.260 | I think the most rewarding aspect
00:32:36.740 | that I have had as a mentor
00:32:39.060 | is seeing parents who really wanted homeschooling
00:32:42.660 | to be beautiful.
00:32:43.780 | And when it wasn't working at home,
00:32:47.980 | they assumed that it was something they were doing wrong
00:32:51.100 | or something was wrong with the curriculum
00:32:53.460 | or something was wrong with their kids.
00:32:56.300 | And, you know, that is a really vulnerable place to be.
00:33:00.100 | And I have been there.
00:33:02.340 | - It's a disheartening place.
00:33:04.100 | It really is.
00:33:05.260 | - Yes, and you're trying so hard
00:33:07.460 | and you just feel like it's not working.
00:33:09.740 | And so when I saw the impact that hospitality played
00:33:14.180 | in transforming the interactions
00:33:16.980 | that they had with their kids
00:33:18.780 | in such a way that they would come back and say,
00:33:22.060 | "We're having fun learning again."
00:33:23.980 | And they're understanding what we're learning.
00:33:26.620 | And, you know, we're not crying
00:33:28.940 | and getting into arguments, you know, over learning.
00:33:34.220 | And so just hearing stories
00:33:36.260 | of how the mentors nurtured the parents
00:33:38.820 | and how that experience strengthened
00:33:41.580 | and nourished their relationships
00:33:43.380 | and discipleship of their own children
00:33:45.980 | is definitely the most fulfilling part of my job
00:33:49.580 | and our job as a mentor team.
00:33:51.900 | - Yeah, that is beautiful.
00:33:54.380 | I can already tell that I'm gonna want you to come back
00:33:57.460 | and talk about hospitality.
00:34:01.700 | I think that what you've said there
00:34:04.020 | has really piqued my curiosity.
00:34:07.100 | And I really do wonder if that's where a lot of us
00:34:10.540 | are having our dark days,
00:34:12.860 | is really not understanding the role
00:34:15.300 | of hospitality in homeschooling.
00:34:17.100 | So did you just file that away?
00:34:19.220 | I'm gonna be coming back to knock on your door.
00:34:22.540 | Talk to me about some bonuses that you got from the CLC.
00:34:26.980 | - Yes, so John and I go on dates with all of our kids.
00:34:30.740 | We have throughout their life.
00:34:32.340 | We still do as adults.
00:34:34.660 | And we would ask them these questions that we were learning
00:34:39.380 | of what are we doing well as parents
00:34:42.140 | and how can we improve?
00:34:44.420 | And that was such a healthy
00:34:46.820 | and very humbling experience for all of us.
00:34:50.700 | So what I never thought that I would hear from my kids
00:34:55.340 | is hearing that they had started implementing this
00:34:57.980 | in their dating and marriage relationships.
00:35:01.100 | They would come home and say--
00:35:02.660 | - That's so cool.
00:35:04.020 | - We did assessment tonight at our date.
00:35:07.700 | - You did what?
00:35:10.660 | - Yeah, 'cause they would hear
00:35:12.620 | that John and I would do it on our dates
00:35:14.620 | and then we would do it with them.
00:35:16.940 | And so that was so encouraging to hear
00:35:20.420 | how that was improving their relationships.
00:35:22.700 | And it completely blew us away
00:35:25.340 | how transformative the CLC was going to be
00:35:28.220 | for all different aspects of our family.
00:35:31.100 | - So that is really cool.
00:35:32.300 | So listeners, I hope you're picking up
00:35:33.940 | what they're laying down.
00:35:34.980 | It's not just about academics.
00:35:38.540 | It will change the way that you interact
00:35:42.420 | in all your relationships and all of the environments
00:35:45.900 | in which you have relationships with people.
00:35:48.740 | So how has your homeschooling changed
00:35:51.900 | as a result of your participation?
00:35:54.060 | John, what would you say?
00:35:54.980 | How has your homeschooling changed?
00:35:57.380 | - So when I am helping our children
00:36:03.660 | in those few topics or subjects
00:36:06.220 | that Rebecca asked me to help,
00:36:08.820 | it was being more focused on the person
00:36:13.460 | rather than the subject matter.
00:36:15.660 | So being a guy, I can be more result-oriented
00:36:20.340 | whether the students understand the material or not.
00:36:24.020 | Rather, I had to learn to be more people-oriented
00:36:27.700 | and guide the students to discover the truth
00:36:30.100 | for themselves.
00:36:31.620 | And so I believe, or I learned to believe
00:36:36.620 | the students retain the knowledge
00:36:39.100 | better if they discover the truth for themselves
00:36:41.420 | rather than me telling them the truth.
00:36:43.660 | - That is so true.
00:36:46.260 | I've seen that.
00:36:47.260 | I'm sure we've all seen that.
00:36:49.060 | The lessons that our children keep for life
00:36:51.900 | are the ones they learn themselves,
00:36:53.540 | not the ones we tell them about.
00:36:55.300 | So that's beautiful.
00:36:57.820 | That's very beautiful.
00:36:58.740 | Rebecca, you were already a homeschooling mom of years
00:37:02.540 | when you joined the CLC.
00:37:04.660 | So how did your homeschooling change?
00:37:06.740 | - Well, at home, I started asking my kids
00:37:12.300 | what they remembered about something
00:37:16.220 | and listening to know what they actually understood
00:37:19.900 | before I jumped into the new lesson.
00:37:22.980 | What I had been doing was assuming
00:37:25.460 | that everything they had ever memorized
00:37:28.260 | or learned in their entire life
00:37:30.340 | was always at the forefront of their mind.
00:37:32.780 | - Oh, right, because they should remember
00:37:34.580 | all the things we've ever told them.
00:37:37.020 | - I would say, "Don't you remember this memory,
00:37:40.580 | history, fact, da-da-da-da-da?
00:37:42.740 | No, Mom, not right this second."
00:37:45.220 | - Yeah, right, and their eyes just kind of cross
00:37:47.580 | and they're like, "Yeah."
00:37:48.940 | - Right, I mean, by the time they're in high school,
00:37:50.980 | there is a lot of information in their brain.
00:37:54.420 | And so just having, again, that hospitality
00:37:58.580 | in the moment of, "Let's just see what you do
00:38:02.500 | actually remember and understand today before we-"
00:38:06.860 | - "Where are we with this today?"
00:38:08.860 | - Right, exactly.
00:38:10.340 | And then I think in community,
00:38:12.820 | it taught me that there was no situation
00:38:17.140 | that Christlike hospitality couldn't handle.
00:38:22.140 | So tired students, unengaged students,
00:38:26.060 | talkative students, quiet students, difficult students.
00:38:30.380 | It showed me that the power of moving
00:38:32.820 | towards students and parents in love like Christ
00:38:36.900 | to listen and care well for them
00:38:39.860 | covers a multitude of issues.
00:38:43.060 | - Yeah, boy, that was a great lesson for all of us.
00:38:47.660 | That would change our lives and all of our relationships.
00:38:51.140 | That's really cool.
00:38:52.820 | So you've mentioned using these tools
00:38:56.300 | that you really sharpened through the CLC
00:39:00.780 | in ways that go beyond schooling and homeschooling.
00:39:04.220 | What other applications have you discovered
00:39:06.700 | for those skills, John?
00:39:09.660 | - So for me at home,
00:39:12.460 | Rebecca and I have used assessment to help our marriage grow
00:39:16.500 | and to draw closer to one another.
00:39:18.780 | Assessment was a way of being vulnerable to one another
00:39:22.740 | in a safe and secure environment.
00:39:25.700 | - Gotcha.
00:39:26.540 | - So we can give and receive them now
00:39:28.540 | without feeling attacked.
00:39:30.580 | - That's really cool.
00:39:31.540 | That's huge to be able to give assessments
00:39:35.460 | instead of criticism and view that as a positive.
00:39:39.300 | It would change a lot of marriages.
00:39:41.060 | - And at work, I've used assessment tools
00:39:45.700 | in formulating the interview questions
00:39:48.380 | in the hiring process.
00:39:49.820 | It has helped in assessing the strengths and weaknesses
00:39:53.740 | of the potential candidates.
00:39:55.860 | Now I've also used them in evaluating employees
00:40:00.140 | and helping them to grow.
00:40:02.180 | - Yeah.
00:40:03.020 | - And that at church, at my church,
00:40:06.100 | I use what I've learned specifically in mentoring
00:40:10.420 | the younger men in my community group.
00:40:12.660 | - Yeah.
00:40:14.420 | - It has helped in sparking deeper conversations
00:40:17.020 | that could prompt us to become more Christ-like.
00:40:19.860 | - That's really beautiful.
00:40:22.500 | It really goes hand in hand
00:40:25.780 | with what we've always said about classical education.
00:40:28.980 | It's about integration.
00:40:30.420 | It's not keeping a set of skills and tools for academics
00:40:35.380 | and a different set for life at home
00:40:37.340 | and a different set for life in the community
00:40:39.580 | and another set for how we act or think at church.
00:40:43.020 | It's about integrating our whole lives
00:40:45.940 | around the pursuit of truth, goodness, and beauty
00:40:50.300 | and using the skills we have
00:40:51.900 | to build relationships everywhere.
00:40:54.660 | So Rebecca, what about you?
00:40:55.860 | How have you used these skills
00:40:59.020 | that you've sharpened with CLC
00:41:01.020 | in ways that go beyond homeschooling?
00:41:04.420 | - Well, the skills of assessment, like John said,
00:41:07.540 | they can also transfer to parenting life skills.
00:41:11.380 | - Ah, very good.
00:41:13.380 | The all-important life skills, yes.
00:41:15.860 | - Right, so unloading the dishwasher,
00:41:18.420 | teaching your children how to drive,
00:41:20.580 | helping them assess themselves
00:41:22.020 | as they're preparing or practicing for a speech
00:41:24.660 | or an essay before community day.
00:41:26.580 | So just getting very comfortable with,
00:41:29.460 | so what do you think you did well?
00:41:31.900 | How do you think you could have improved that?
00:41:34.140 | Those are two really easy questions
00:41:36.380 | that you can ask about anything.
00:41:38.580 | - It's so great to give our kids those questions
00:41:43.580 | that they internalize
00:41:46.380 | and become habitual askers of themselves.
00:41:50.180 | That's key.
00:41:51.260 | - Yes, yes.
00:41:52.740 | And then they start going and doing that.
00:41:54.780 | As your kids get older,
00:41:56.460 | then they'll start going and doing that at their jobs
00:41:59.420 | and at different functions and activities
00:42:03.500 | that they do.
00:42:04.340 | They'll be asking those questions of themselves
00:42:08.860 | at the end of a game or at the end of a practice.
00:42:11.900 | And it literally does just become a part of them.
00:42:14.540 | And what a healthy gift to give our kids
00:42:17.740 | before they're even adults
00:42:20.220 | to be able to do that for themselves.
00:42:22.660 | And also when they're at work,
00:42:25.660 | when our kids would have assessment time
00:42:27.940 | with their employers,
00:42:30.700 | they would marvel that our kids wanted to know
00:42:35.780 | how to be better
00:42:36.740 | and were very comfortable with knowing
00:42:39.220 | that they had areas to continue to grow in.
00:42:42.460 | - Yeah, and I think what it does is it shows people
00:42:46.420 | that we are interested in growing,
00:42:50.500 | that we realize that God is always calling us onward
00:42:55.500 | and upward and that there's more to learn
00:42:58.220 | and more that He can teach us
00:42:59.860 | and more ways that we can be like Him.
00:43:02.100 | And assessment, it just helps us to refine
00:43:06.140 | and polish off the rough edges.
00:43:11.060 | We come closer and closer.
00:43:12.580 | I think that's just a beautiful way to look at it.
00:43:15.820 | Well, I can tell from talking to you guys
00:43:17.940 | that you would absolutely advocate
00:43:20.660 | that we all become CLC cohort members.
00:43:25.100 | John, what would you do if somebody came up to you
00:43:27.780 | and said, I heard you're a member of that,
00:43:30.060 | what do they call it, the CLC?
00:43:32.140 | Why should I do that?
00:43:33.340 | What would you say to them?
00:43:34.700 | - I would summarize it by saying,
00:43:39.380 | for me, I had joined the CLC thinking
00:43:42.260 | that it would help me become a more effective teacher.
00:43:47.060 | But what I didn't realize was that it helped me
00:43:50.580 | become a better mentor to my wife and adult children,
00:43:55.460 | to young men in my church,
00:43:57.580 | and the employees that are entrusted to me at work.
00:44:02.580 | So ultimately, I think it helped me
00:44:04.580 | to become a better leader at home or church or work.
00:44:09.580 | - That is beautiful.
00:44:11.300 | That is beautiful.
00:44:12.300 | You know, it reminds me that when we put our hearts
00:44:17.060 | and we put our will to learning something,
00:44:19.740 | that God multiplies the blessing of that.
00:44:23.180 | And so I think it's beautiful that he has allowed
00:44:27.420 | these skills that you've learned to be useful
00:44:30.660 | in way more contexts than you may have thought
00:44:34.100 | at the beginning.
00:44:35.140 | Okay, Rebecca, I know that since you work for CC
00:44:39.980 | with this classical learning cohort,
00:44:41.860 | you have to say these things.
00:44:43.540 | But really, why would you tell us all
00:44:47.180 | that we need to join the CLC?
00:44:50.780 | - Well, I mean, I'm here because of what you have just heard.
00:44:55.100 | I have the job I have because the CLC transformed
00:44:59.300 | our family and our life in such a way
00:45:01.780 | that I want to give my life's work
00:45:03.940 | to help others have this opportunity.
00:45:06.140 | So it really is, that is why I'm here.
00:45:10.860 | I think anyone should join the CLC.
00:45:14.220 | I would say if you are a parent
00:45:17.340 | and you have no intention to ever be a tutor or director,
00:45:22.300 | but you just want to get better at homeschooling your kids,
00:45:25.580 | I would join.
00:45:26.780 | What we've also found is that most of the time
00:45:29.140 | when people do that, by the end of their first semester,
00:45:33.820 | they're already ready to sign up.
00:45:35.500 | They're like, "Yes, I can do this."
00:45:38.340 | - And it's fun.
00:45:40.180 | - Yes, yeah, it just breaks down so many barriers
00:45:43.740 | that keep people from joining leading and community.
00:45:48.220 | So I would say it's for anyone.
00:45:50.820 | It's also for the tutor or director
00:45:52.860 | that just wants to grow and become better at their craft.
00:45:57.700 | And also just to be mentored on your homeschool journey.
00:46:02.700 | Homeschooling, like you said, it's amazing and wonderful.
00:46:08.540 | And sometimes it's really hard
00:46:10.780 | and it can feel very isolating
00:46:13.340 | for you to have someone who their job is to mentor you,
00:46:17.620 | to pour into you and encourage you
00:46:20.060 | so that you can flourish to the finish
00:46:22.740 | and continue growing right alongside your children.
00:46:26.020 | - That is awesome.
00:46:27.380 | That's gonna make its way into the podcast description.
00:46:30.700 | Flourish to the finish.
00:46:32.300 | I love it.
00:46:33.500 | All right, I think that you probably have thousands
00:46:37.380 | of listeners who are at least eager to find out more
00:46:41.940 | about the Classical Learning Cohort
00:46:43.940 | and when the next one starts and what do we have to do.
00:46:46.780 | So Rebecca, as we bring our time together to a close,
00:46:50.460 | I wanna let you give us the how-tos, the next steps.
00:46:54.700 | Where do we go to get more information
00:46:58.140 | and what would our next step be?
00:47:00.900 | Whether we just want to know a little bit more
00:47:04.020 | or we are really ready to pull the trigger.
00:47:07.500 | - Okay, so yes, the next steps would be,
00:47:10.940 | our website is classicalconversations.com/cohort
00:47:15.940 | and there you will find FAQs and podcasts
00:47:20.660 | on each of our semesters of content.
00:47:23.300 | You can also sign up for an experience,
00:47:26.540 | the Classical Learning Cohort,
00:47:28.060 | which is a one-hour information meeting
00:47:30.220 | where you learn more details about it
00:47:33.060 | and also get to experience a conversation
00:47:36.700 | where we have a lesson about a Bible passage
00:47:41.700 | and then also a lesson on academics
00:47:44.780 | and so you get to actually see
00:47:46.500 | what it's like to be in a cohort.
00:47:48.180 | And then if you're ready to register,
00:47:51.300 | that is in the CC Bookstore.
00:47:53.980 | So the website for that would be
00:47:56.740 | classicalconversationsbooks.com/pages/clc
00:48:01.740 | classicalconversationsbooks.com/pages/clc-events.
00:48:06.740 | So that is where you actually go register
00:48:11.060 | and you'll see them listed by their content
00:48:13.660 | and the day and time that they are available,
00:48:17.740 | Monday through Friday morning, afternoon and evening,
00:48:20.380 | Eastern Standard Time.
00:48:21.700 | And then if you have any other questions,
00:48:25.380 | you can always email us at cohort@classicalconversations.com.
00:48:31.260 | - That is awesome.
00:48:32.300 | That is really good intel for all of us.
00:48:35.020 | Thank you guys.
00:48:35.860 | Thank you, John.
00:48:36.700 | Thank you, Rebecca for giving us this look into the CLC
00:48:41.700 | and for really wetting our appetites
00:48:45.100 | for what it could do for our homeschools,
00:48:47.780 | but also for our homes and our communities.
00:48:51.100 | Thank you to Rebecca for the great contact information.
00:48:56.100 | I'm sure that there are thousands of listeners
00:49:00.300 | who are reaching for their keypad now
00:49:04.660 | to see how to find out more information about this.
00:49:07.420 | Listeners, you stay tuned.
00:49:09.620 | I am gonna have these great folks back
00:49:12.060 | maybe to talk about some of the things
00:49:14.460 | that they alluded to in here.
00:49:16.220 | The importance of hospitality,
00:49:18.340 | how to ask good questions,
00:49:20.060 | and what is it about assessment
00:49:22.300 | that should make my heart go pitter-pat instead of, oh no.
00:49:26.180 | So you guys have a great day
00:49:29.020 | and continue to be everyday educators.
00:49:32.060 | Bye-bye.
00:49:32.980 | (upbeat music)
00:49:35.580 | you
00:49:37.640 | you