Everyday Educator - Scribblers is For Everyone!
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00:00:02.580 | - Welcome friends to this episode
00:00:07.040 | of the "Everyday Educator" podcast.
00:00:09.860 | I'm your host, Lisa Bailey,
00:00:11.460 | and I'm excited to spend some time with you today
00:00:14.820 | as we encourage one another, learn together,
00:00:18.080 | and ponder the delights and challenges
00:00:20.960 | that make homeschooling the adventure of a lifetime.
00:00:24.420 | Whether you're just considering
00:00:26.720 | this homeschooling possibility
00:00:28.920 | or deep into the daily delight of family learning,
00:00:33.200 | I believe you'll enjoy thinking along with us.
00:00:36.480 | But don't forget,
00:00:37.640 | although this online community is awesome,
00:00:41.340 | you'll find even closer support in a local CC community.
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00:00:54.760 | Well, listeners, I'm super glad to be with you as always.
00:00:59.760 | And I want to share some information with you today
00:01:05.200 | about one of our resources that's been out
00:01:08.160 | for a little more than a year
00:01:10.280 | that there are a lot of misconceptions about.
00:01:12.900 | And I have one of my best friends
00:01:15.240 | who was instrumental in putting scribblers
00:01:20.240 | at home together with me.
00:01:23.120 | Amy Jones is with us,
00:01:24.640 | and we're going to talk to you about some of the things
00:01:27.580 | that we think might be misunderstood
00:01:30.540 | about scribblers at home,
00:01:32.200 | and hopefully give you a couple more reasons
00:01:34.960 | to be curious and fall in love with it.
00:01:37.280 | Amy, thank you for coming.
00:01:39.240 | - Oh, thank you, Lisa.
00:01:40.560 | This is so fun.
00:01:41.680 | And I love talking about Scribblers Resource.
00:01:44.760 | It's just one of my favorite things
00:01:47.320 | that we have put together.
00:01:49.360 | It's a surprise. - I know!
00:01:51.440 | - I know, I love it too.
00:01:53.400 | And I fell more and more in love with it
00:01:56.660 | the longer we worked on it.
00:01:59.160 | It just, it grew in richness to me,
00:02:03.720 | and I was able to see
00:02:05.720 | how much I really believed it would touch the lives
00:02:12.440 | of all kinds of families,
00:02:14.140 | not just families with little children,
00:02:18.240 | you know, four to eight year olds.
00:02:19.900 | And so, but one of the reasons, listen,
00:02:23.000 | one of the reasons I wanted to do this podcast now
00:02:25.840 | was to get the good word out,
00:02:28.000 | but I also wanted to do it now
00:02:30.840 | because congratulations are in order
00:02:33.820 | for you and for the other writers.
00:02:37.200 | Scribblers at Home, Recipes from Lifelong Learners,
00:02:42.200 | just won an award, okay?
00:02:45.960 | We won the Illumination Book Awards Gold Award
00:02:50.960 | for Children's Education.
00:02:53.460 | Were you excited about that when you heard?
00:02:55.800 | - I was so excited.
00:02:57.820 | I was, first of all, surprised.
00:03:01.260 | One of my children said, "Mimi, you're famous,"
00:03:03.900 | which is hilarious. - Yes!
00:03:06.040 | - The first question was, "Are you a princess?"
00:03:08.540 | No, you're too old to be a princess.
00:03:10.580 | You must just be famous, which was hilarious.
00:03:13.540 | - That is so fun.
00:03:14.380 | - You know what I loved about it
00:03:16.340 | is it's the idea for children's education.
00:03:19.900 | And I thought it's the whole range.
00:03:22.820 | And that's what I really loved about the award.
00:03:27.700 | You know, I was surprised, but I wasn't shocked.
00:03:31.020 | I was thinking it is an excellent product.
00:03:34.100 | And I think it's just one of those hidden gems
00:03:37.880 | that you get your hands on it.
00:03:40.900 | You're like, "Wow, there's so much into these pages."
00:03:45.900 | And it's so relevant.
00:03:48.220 | I think I just am amazed at how usable it is for anybody.
00:03:53.220 | So I was really excited about it.
00:03:58.900 | And I was excited for everyone on the team.
00:04:00.820 | I thought, "Wow, this is cool."
00:04:03.140 | - I was excited too.
00:04:04.700 | I had forgotten that they were gonna put it out there.
00:04:08.700 | And somebody just said,
00:04:10.840 | "Hey, congratulations on your award."
00:04:13.160 | And I thought, "On my what now?"
00:04:15.520 | And so it's so funny.
00:04:20.020 | You feel kind of bashful about telling people.
00:04:23.580 | And so when I passed it on to my husband,
00:04:26.100 | he was like, "What, this is amazing."
00:04:29.140 | Kind of like your grandchild.
00:04:30.700 | "Oh, now you're famous."
00:04:32.020 | I'm like, "No, I'm not."
00:04:33.460 | I mean, this is a very localized fame here.
00:04:39.460 | But like you, I was very gratified
00:04:43.820 | to see that others recognized how special it was.
00:04:48.820 | You know, when we were beginning to write
00:04:54.740 | and put the resource together,
00:04:57.020 | we looked and there really is not anything else
00:04:59.580 | like it out there.
00:05:01.220 | And so it was real exciting to me
00:05:04.140 | to have an independent board recognize
00:05:08.940 | that Scribblers was something out of the ordinary.
00:05:11.780 | So that was really cool.
00:05:13.060 | And I do wanna pick your brain about Scribblers
00:05:15.100 | and get some of the things that you've been hearing
00:05:17.940 | and things that are like burning on your mind
00:05:20.780 | to share with other people.
00:05:22.060 | But first I have a different question, okay?
00:05:24.940 | You're used to having all kinds of questions.
00:05:26.620 | So here's my question for you.
00:05:29.020 | Are you, Amy, a good cook?
00:05:32.060 | - Oh my, I've gotten better.
00:05:37.060 | - Okay.
00:05:38.220 | - I would say if I trace it back to when I was first married,
00:05:43.420 | I married at 28.
00:05:44.580 | So I had lots of roommates before wet.
00:05:47.940 | And you know, typical post-college,
00:05:51.340 | you just eat like windy salads.
00:05:53.860 | - Right.
00:05:54.700 | - So I didn't really have the need to cook
00:05:59.020 | until I married my very hardworking husband.
00:06:02.580 | And what was funny was my mom would call me
00:06:07.140 | like checking in, you know, newly married.
00:06:09.460 | Like, "What are you fixing for dinner tonight?"
00:06:12.420 | And I said, "Oh, chicken and rice."
00:06:14.220 | And evidently I must have said that for-
00:06:16.860 | - A lot.
00:06:17.980 | - Yeah.
00:06:18.820 | So in the mail, I got a recipe book
00:06:24.100 | that's "365 Ways to Cook Chicken."
00:06:27.740 | And so, along with the "Better Homes and Garden."
00:06:32.100 | - Yes, I bet we have the same edition.
00:06:35.260 | - Standard edition.
00:06:36.180 | And my mom just gently, in her quiet way,
00:06:40.540 | suggested that perhaps wet would like something
00:06:43.780 | more than chicken and rice.
00:06:44.940 | He was very grateful.
00:06:46.060 | It was very grateful.
00:06:46.900 | He said he would never say he liked something
00:06:49.700 | because he knew I was gonna just cook it.
00:06:52.020 | - Just cook it over and over and over.
00:06:54.260 | That is so funny.
00:06:55.660 | - I had to learn to cook.
00:06:57.580 | I did not, yeah.
00:06:58.780 | - Yeah, so you learned, you did learn,
00:07:01.580 | and you learned from cookbooks.
00:07:03.220 | So you did use recipes in cookbooks
00:07:05.940 | when you were learning to cook.
00:07:07.740 | - Oh, oh, absolutely.
00:07:09.260 | I just felt like what I loved about a cookbook
00:07:14.060 | is they had already tried these recipes.
00:07:17.180 | - Yes, yes.
00:07:18.740 | - They were good enough to publish them in a book.
00:07:23.580 | And also what I loved about it,
00:07:26.620 | especially those standard cookbooks,
00:07:29.060 | they gave you tips and techniques
00:07:33.380 | that were not intuitive.
00:07:36.900 | And so you would just try,
00:07:38.620 | like, oh, you put parchment paper there.
00:07:42.100 | It keeps, it's like having your mom
00:07:44.620 | in your kitchen all the time.
00:07:46.060 | I could just read it and go,
00:07:47.420 | oh, that's a simple thing to do.
00:07:50.060 | - That'll make a huge difference.
00:07:52.140 | Yes, yes, yes.
00:07:53.700 | And even like measurements and how,
00:07:57.540 | if you don't have mayonnaise,
00:07:58.900 | what can you substitute it for?
00:08:00.580 | - I love those little columns, yes.
00:08:02.980 | If you don't have buttermilk, did you know that?
00:08:05.020 | You can just add lemon juice to regular milk
00:08:07.740 | and let it sit there for five or 10 minutes
00:08:09.820 | and voila, it will act like buttermilk.
00:08:12.300 | - Yes.
00:08:13.140 | - Yes, all of that stuff.
00:08:14.420 | I think we might've learned to cook the same way.
00:08:17.460 | My mom was a good cook
00:08:19.420 | and I loved eating her cooking.
00:08:22.820 | And I guess I had watched her through the years.
00:08:25.220 | So it wasn't like I was an absolute ignoramus
00:08:29.380 | in the kitchen, but I tended to be like you
00:08:32.820 | and make the same several things over and over.
00:08:36.620 | And they did not require a lot of imagination.
00:08:40.100 | And I didn't know a lot about different seasonings
00:08:43.980 | or even like you were saying, different techniques.
00:08:47.540 | You know, I didn't really know the difference
00:08:49.460 | between stir and fold.
00:08:52.300 | - Yes.
00:08:53.140 | - And all of those delicate maneuvers in the kitchen
00:08:57.180 | when I got married.
00:08:58.020 | And so I, like you, loved those basics cookbooks
00:09:02.380 | that would say, you know, okay,
00:09:04.660 | this is how you do a pot roast.
00:09:07.620 | You know, searing the outside
00:09:09.820 | before you put something in a roasting pan.
00:09:12.300 | That's not intuitive for heaven's sake.
00:09:14.940 | If you're gonna roast it, why would you sear it?
00:09:17.620 | And so I love what you just said.
00:09:20.300 | Things that are not necessarily intuitive
00:09:24.340 | are really helpful to have written down
00:09:28.540 | for us who want to learn to do better than we're doing.
00:09:32.660 | So let me ask you this.
00:09:33.860 | Do you still use, do you still have your cookbooks,
00:09:38.060 | your recipes?
00:09:38.900 | - Oh yes, oh yes, I do.
00:09:41.500 | I do depend on online things, which is lovely,
00:09:44.580 | but I like, I have those old cookbooks
00:09:48.300 | that I have used those recipes multiple times.
00:09:52.180 | I know this is a banana nut bread recipe that does work
00:09:56.860 | and has the right amount, and I like the ingredients,
00:10:00.900 | and I like how it looks at the end.
00:10:03.580 | And so I always have those marked,
00:10:05.940 | and I know which cookbook it is.
00:10:07.660 | I know, and I put notes in the side,
00:10:11.780 | like I doubled this, it didn't work,
00:10:13.780 | or add more ginger or whatever,
00:10:17.260 | because that's the lovely thing about a cookbook.
00:10:20.340 | It becomes your own in a sense
00:10:23.220 | that you can integrate your own ideas.
00:10:25.300 | Like it tastes better if you put this on top,
00:10:28.260 | or we did this for a birthday party, lots of fun.
00:10:32.100 | So just becoming those notes,
00:10:34.940 | it becomes your own personal kind of diary of food.
00:10:40.060 | And I think because my mom had her mother's cookbook
00:10:44.700 | and she did the same thing.
00:10:46.820 | So you have all these little notes and nuggets
00:10:49.740 | or old recipes stuck in the, you know, at the,
00:10:52.460 | you know, on this page.
00:10:54.140 | Meringue cookies, you know, you just sort of know that.
00:10:57.820 | And yes, I still have cookbooks that I use
00:11:01.500 | that I refer to.
00:11:02.820 | - I still look at, I mean, I know how to cook now.
00:11:06.380 | I've been married for a whole lot of years,
00:11:09.180 | but I still will pull those out.
00:11:11.180 | And sometimes it's because, like you said,
00:11:13.860 | I have the notes in the margin.
00:11:15.660 | Like there's some recipes that it is never enough
00:11:18.860 | to make one.
00:11:19.700 | So I have the, I have the, in the margin,
00:11:22.900 | I have all the measurements for a double batch, you know.
00:11:27.540 | Or I have, the first time I ever made a red velvet cake,
00:11:32.540 | my mom had given me the recipe.
00:11:34.820 | And when I got done, I thought, well, the icing looks weird.
00:11:38.380 | I don't know, this does not look like mama's icing.
00:11:42.220 | And so I called her and I said,
00:11:44.060 | I just feel like I did something wrong
00:11:46.180 | because it's kind of tan.
00:11:48.300 | And she said, tan, why would it be tan?
00:11:51.820 | And I'm like, I don't know, that's why I'm calling you.
00:11:53.860 | And so she made me read the ingredients
00:11:56.780 | and written on, by her hand on that recipe,
00:12:01.700 | I promise you, it had a little bit of cocoa powder
00:12:05.180 | in the icing.
00:12:06.940 | And she said, well, that's why it's tan.
00:12:10.060 | And I said, but that's the recipe you gave me.
00:12:12.900 | And she said to me, oh, I never, I always leave that out.
00:12:16.860 | I was like, it was not left out of your recipe.
00:12:22.060 | And so now, sometimes I look at those old recipes
00:12:26.420 | just to make me laugh or to bring back a sweet memory.
00:12:29.620 | So I've kept my cookbooks because like you said,
00:12:33.700 | they have sweet memories and sweet notes.
00:12:36.580 | And sometimes I pull one out
00:12:38.700 | that I haven't done in a long, long time.
00:12:40.540 | And I need a refresher.
00:12:43.300 | I don't remember how long this is supposed to bake
00:12:46.060 | and I really don't want it to come out like a brick.
00:12:48.500 | So I look again.
00:12:49.620 | And so we keep our cookbooks, we use our cookbooks.
00:12:53.940 | Maybe we don't rely on them for the same things
00:12:57.700 | that we did originally, but we still love them.
00:13:00.300 | - Also, Lisa, you grow in your cooking
00:13:05.220 | because I know when I got that Betty Crocker cookbook,
00:13:09.140 | there were recipes I'd look at and go,
00:13:11.620 | no way, Jose, am I gonna ever-
00:13:14.060 | - Absolutely.
00:13:14.900 | It's like, nope, it has too many ingredients
00:13:17.420 | or too many hard steps.
00:13:19.660 | - But then over a while I'll go, oh, you know what?
00:13:22.700 | That's just an extra step.
00:13:24.540 | Why was I so- - Right.
00:13:26.460 | - So you kind of grow sometimes into it.
00:13:28.980 | - Yes, yes.
00:13:30.180 | And sometimes you can say, oh, well that part,
00:13:32.820 | gosh, I guess that used to seem really hard to me,
00:13:35.100 | but that's not really hard.
00:13:36.380 | That's not, doesn't take long.
00:13:37.700 | It's not hard to do.
00:13:38.900 | It's almost so much of a habit
00:13:41.060 | that I don't have to think about it.
00:13:42.940 | So I can afford to look at a harder recipe now.
00:13:47.220 | You know, that's really true.
00:13:48.740 | Here's the thing, y'all.
00:13:51.020 | Most of us needed a recipe or a cookbook
00:13:55.380 | in the worst way as beginners.
00:13:57.660 | We did not know what we were doing.
00:13:59.860 | We needed somebody or something to tell us what
00:14:04.460 | and how much and how long and in what order.
00:14:07.860 | And like you said, what is it supposed to look like?
00:14:10.740 | As we learn to cook, we mostly,
00:14:14.620 | sometimes I use my cookbooks for inspiration.
00:14:18.820 | I know there are recipes in there
00:14:20.500 | that never fit my occasions, but maybe they would now.
00:14:24.180 | So we use recipes and cookbooks for inspiration
00:14:28.260 | or as like you said, reminders that we can take things
00:14:31.100 | to the next level now.
00:14:34.260 | So listeners, why are we doing all this cooking talking?
00:14:36.660 | Because Scribblers is just like that.
00:14:40.540 | In the beginning of your homeschool journey,
00:14:44.660 | you really might wish that somebody would tell you what
00:14:49.580 | and how much and how long and in what order
00:14:52.980 | and what is this thing supposed to look like,
00:14:56.540 | but you're gonna grow and you're gonna be willing
00:14:59.300 | to do things that are more complicated or more abstract
00:15:04.300 | or require more of your imagination or your family's input.
00:15:09.740 | So Scribblers can grow with you on your homeschooling
00:15:15.220 | journey, just like most of our cookbooks grew with us.
00:15:20.220 | And the cool thing about Scribblers,
00:15:22.120 | if you don't already know, is that it is set up
00:15:26.160 | like a cookbook with sections and serving suggestions
00:15:31.160 | and prep time and ingredients and the steps and the yield
00:15:36.180 | and even those tips and hints that Amy was talking about
00:15:39.740 | in her favorite cookbooks.
00:15:41.420 | So we would love for you guys who haven't seen a copy
00:15:46.500 | of Scribblers before to take a look at it,
00:15:49.460 | maybe at Practicum this summer.
00:15:52.220 | You can even look at it online and you may be in community
00:15:55.900 | with somebody that would let you borrow theirs
00:15:59.620 | and take a look.
00:16:01.220 | So let's talk a little bit about Scribblers specifically.
00:16:04.980 | Amy, what did you love about working on Scribblers?
00:16:09.980 | - You know, Lisa, I was brand new to the company,
00:16:15.940 | so I had no prior experience on that end of the world.
00:16:20.580 | And I was so moved.
00:16:25.880 | I was gonna say impressed, but that's not really the word,
00:16:29.180 | that here was a group of women.
00:16:32.060 | I think there was Lee, you, Jennifer Courtney,
00:16:35.940 | I think Heather was there, and Jen Greenholt.
00:16:39.900 | There was this whole group of women
00:16:41.940 | that you all had been praying over this,
00:16:44.980 | thinking over this for, I think, several years.
00:16:49.980 | And I remember Lee sharing that she had sat
00:16:52.900 | with a group of young women asking them,
00:16:55.020 | "What would you like?
00:16:57.380 | What's your heart's cry?
00:16:58.820 | What do you need?"
00:17:00.220 | And I thought that was so humble of just us,
00:17:03.580 | and said, "Just, we're gonna hand you something
00:17:05.460 | that we think you need."
00:17:06.500 | But really, really seeing that the heart
00:17:10.580 | of this whole enterprise, and it's for everything,
00:17:13.540 | but this particular resource, just the amount of care
00:17:18.420 | that went into thinking carefully through
00:17:22.020 | how will this benefit mom, dad.
00:17:27.020 | And it's not just for, I remember Lee saying,
00:17:31.100 | "This is not just for preschoolers.
00:17:32.940 | This is for challenge for moms."
00:17:36.660 | And I remember having to get my mind wrapped around that,
00:17:41.660 | but seeing that vision of equipping people
00:17:46.660 | to follow the Lord's calling on their life
00:17:49.220 | to homeschool their children.
00:17:51.300 | And so, to be a part of that vision was just remarkable.
00:17:55.460 | And it was, people are creative, they're fun,
00:17:58.660 | they're hardworking.
00:18:00.860 | I mean, just the ideas flowing.
00:18:02.860 | It was just wonderful to be sort of listening in on,
00:18:06.900 | and watching the process of this,
00:18:08.740 | and just the care that went into the vision for this.
00:18:12.340 | It was pretty remarkable experience for me.
00:18:15.060 | So, I was very humbled.
00:18:17.460 | - It was fun.
00:18:18.900 | It was really fun to get together and to brainstorm,
00:18:22.820 | and I loved playing off of one another.
00:18:27.020 | But I'm so glad that you brought up Lee's beginning,
00:18:32.020 | because it was always her heart to meet,
00:18:37.420 | not what we perceived the needs of families to be,
00:18:41.260 | but the needs that families had expressed.
00:18:45.980 | We had rubbed shoulders, many of us at practicums
00:18:49.780 | for a lot of years,
00:18:51.620 | had rubbed shoulders with young homeschool moms and dads,
00:18:56.620 | people who had older kids,
00:19:01.260 | but maybe were just bringing them home
00:19:04.260 | to a home-centered education.
00:19:06.620 | We had rubbed shoulders with a lot of people who said,
00:19:08.860 | "But how do I get started, and what does this look like?"
00:19:14.220 | And then, "Where are we going with this?"
00:19:18.380 | Okay, I hear and I believe,
00:19:21.260 | I had lots of dads come up to me at practicums and say,
00:19:25.420 | "My wife is totally in love with this curriculum,
00:19:28.260 | and my foundation's kids are doing it gangbusters,
00:19:31.660 | and they're happy, and my wife is happy,
00:19:33.460 | and I can tell they're learning stuff.
00:19:35.100 | But can you tell me where is this headed?
00:19:37.340 | Where is this headed?"
00:19:38.220 | They were looking at junior high and high school
00:19:41.340 | and thinking, "Is this, I mean, are we going where
00:19:44.420 | I think I want us to go?"
00:19:46.300 | And some of them weren't really sure.
00:19:48.020 | They weren't able to articulate where they wanted to go,
00:19:51.260 | but they wanted to know that we had a plan.
00:19:53.820 | And so there was that need of giving parents
00:19:59.420 | the whole roadmap.
00:20:01.980 | Here's how you get started.
00:20:03.740 | Here's what it looks like as you're traveling along the way,
00:20:06.820 | but here's where you're going.
00:20:09.300 | And I think that we didn't recognize maybe
00:20:12.740 | how ambitious a project it was when we started,
00:20:17.260 | which probably helped us to start
00:20:19.620 | with a lot more excitement than fear,
00:20:21.980 | and that's a good thing.
00:20:23.340 | So I was really proud of what it became.
00:20:29.660 | I was proud of having this resource
00:20:38.100 | that answered, well, it helped families
00:20:43.100 | ask the questions that maybe they should have asked
00:20:51.540 | as they started homeschooling.
00:20:56.260 | I was really proud of producing a resource
00:20:59.900 | that helped families intentionally begin their journey
00:21:05.780 | in a way that I, looking back, wished I had begun my own.
00:21:10.780 | And I think that's what, 'cause in a minute,
00:21:14.780 | I'm gonna ask you, "What are you the proudest of?"
00:21:17.140 | I think what I'm the proudest of is being part
00:21:21.500 | of providing a resource that positions families
00:21:26.500 | to begin learning together with enthusiasm
00:21:32.100 | from the beginning, knowing where they're going
00:21:36.820 | and how they want to get there.
00:21:38.940 | - Yes, yes, yes.
00:21:40.980 | You must have read my mind.
00:21:42.340 | That was exactly what I was thinking,
00:21:44.660 | that the way this resource is arranged
00:21:48.220 | is that first part of just reflecting on what's the purpose?
00:21:53.220 | What are we striving for?
00:21:56.260 | Before we jump in to the deep end,
00:22:00.060 | what does God have for our family?
00:22:02.820 | How do we identify the needs we have,
00:22:06.220 | the type of family, the situation we're in?
00:22:08.740 | And I think that word position,
00:22:11.180 | it positions you in a way that's restful,
00:22:15.460 | that focuses on the Lord.
00:22:17.540 | He's leading us, so He's gonna equip us.
00:22:20.460 | And then it shares with you, here are all,
00:22:24.060 | it's like a cookbook.
00:22:25.780 | Here are all the tools that are available for you.
00:22:30.060 | You can use this, and here's another thing,
00:22:32.900 | and here's another thing.
00:22:34.420 | And it gives you the language you need
00:22:37.540 | to articulate what you are attempting to do.
00:22:40.660 | I think that's the hardest thing is when you're asked
00:22:43.460 | by someone that's like, "Why are you doing this crazy thing?"
00:22:46.460 | That sometimes you just don't have the language,
00:22:48.300 | like you know in your heart,
00:22:49.620 | this is the right thing for our family,
00:22:51.820 | but I don't know how to articulate what we're about.
00:22:55.500 | And I think part, especially that first part of this book,
00:22:59.380 | it gives you all the language.
00:23:01.300 | It gives you, here's the way,
00:23:03.820 | it's giving you time to pause and think about,
00:23:07.700 | here's the vision of what we want,
00:23:10.100 | and here are the tools that we can use to accomplish that.
00:23:14.340 | And it reminds me again that God is leading us
00:23:19.020 | and can rest in that.
00:23:20.940 | And I just love that.
00:23:22.380 | I think that's one of my favorite parts of the book
00:23:25.340 | is that first introductory part
00:23:27.860 | where you are really inviting people
00:23:30.180 | to define their own school.
00:23:33.140 | And they're lovely, it's really lovely.
00:23:36.780 | - I love that.
00:23:37.620 | I went back as I was preparing to interview you, Amy,
00:23:41.980 | I went back and read that part again.
00:23:44.500 | And what you say is really true.
00:23:48.260 | It just, it gave me a warm feeling.
00:23:51.340 | The goal for that introduction was to empower parents
00:23:56.340 | to intentionally choose their path and their tools,
00:24:03.500 | to articulate their vision,
00:24:06.820 | to realize that we all get to fine tune this journey
00:24:11.820 | for our family.
00:24:16.580 | Like everybody's homeschool
00:24:18.300 | is gonna look a little bit different
00:24:19.740 | 'cause everybody's family is a little bit different.
00:24:22.860 | And that's beautiful and wonderful.
00:24:25.700 | And that is part of the privilege
00:24:27.740 | that the Lord is offering us.
00:24:29.940 | - Yes.
00:24:30.780 | And you know what I love about it too, Lisa,
00:24:32.700 | I think when you, I think you were writing that part
00:24:35.380 | is that we, you know, just like cooking,
00:24:39.780 | you grow your family ages
00:24:42.500 | and almost every year or every couple of years
00:24:45.620 | to go back through that and go, okay, let's realign.
00:24:49.180 | Let's remind ourselves, what was our vision?
00:24:51.820 | What in the heck was I thinking?
00:24:54.340 | - Yes, right.
00:24:56.060 | - That was really a bad idea.
00:24:58.660 | You know, cramming 50,000 things in our year.
00:25:02.420 | I really wanna back up and reassess.
00:25:04.780 | And that's also how this could be used
00:25:07.500 | is to realign our vision.
00:25:10.180 | Like, okay, because I get off, you know,
00:25:12.660 | I start gravitating into all these other places
00:25:16.340 | instead of going, no, wait a minute.
00:25:17.980 | I have four children.
00:25:20.100 | What is best for our family?
00:25:21.940 | How can I honor my husband?
00:25:23.580 | How can I serve the Lord?
00:25:24.900 | How can I keep things in balance?
00:25:26.580 | And I've gotten off balance.
00:25:27.900 | And I feel like that first part just helped,
00:25:32.100 | just rereading it going, that's right.
00:25:34.580 | That's right.
00:25:35.420 | - And it's always a good thing to remember
00:25:39.260 | 'cause on a dark day you think,
00:25:41.140 | I don't know why I ever thought this was a good idea.
00:25:43.540 | I don't know how I ever thought
00:25:45.060 | that I was gonna get to the end of all of this
00:25:47.460 | with my sanity and all my children alive
00:25:50.580 | and fairly well, you know,
00:25:54.500 | fairly well developed and adjusted.
00:25:57.420 | But when you have thoughtfully designed a family mission,
00:26:02.420 | when you have really thought about
00:26:08.540 | what is it that I want my children to know?
00:26:11.100 | What is important to our family?
00:26:14.420 | How do we want to grow together as learners?
00:26:18.500 | Then you can always go back to that.
00:26:20.580 | At the end of a really bad day, you can go back and say,
00:26:24.100 | oh, well, actually I didn't say
00:26:25.620 | that everybody was gonna learn to speak three languages
00:26:28.100 | by the time they graduated.
00:26:29.540 | I said that we were gonna learn
00:26:32.220 | to have good conversations together and love the Lord
00:26:35.740 | and use our tools of learning to study His word
00:26:38.860 | and His world and be good.
00:26:41.460 | And so I think that's really, that's awesome.
00:26:45.740 | So that's what you and I love and that's what we're proud of.
00:26:48.580 | What do you hear people loving about Scribblers at home
00:26:52.660 | as you're out and about, as you're helping families,
00:26:56.020 | how are people using it
00:26:57.900 | and what are they doing with Scribblers?
00:27:00.940 | - I think that people are just discovering things.
00:27:04.780 | Like they probably picked it up at practicum last year.
00:27:08.460 | And what I hear is as they are about to launch
00:27:12.820 | their Challenge A student or their Challenge One student,
00:27:16.620 | those big launching years,
00:27:18.980 | they are like, I cannot believe what these charts,
00:27:23.980 | so excited to have these all in one place.
00:27:30.660 | So I know what team policy debate looks like.
00:27:33.620 | I know what a first conjugation, at least I have a chart.
00:27:38.420 | You know, I may not understand it, but I can look at it.
00:27:42.060 | I can review it and I can pull it out for my student
00:27:46.260 | and we can sit down and look at it.
00:27:48.380 | I know how to play a math game.
00:27:50.380 | I mean, there are so many things, especially,
00:27:54.580 | and that was the vision that Lee had
00:27:57.420 | was really equipping parents to really get to
00:28:03.900 | for the whole years of schooling, of homeschooling,
00:28:08.540 | whatever that is.
00:28:10.100 | And it's so rich in resources.
00:28:12.620 | I think that's the biggest surprise that I've heard.
00:28:15.220 | And they're like, if I had only had this last year.
00:28:18.740 | And that's what I hear.
00:28:22.180 | I also hear from younger moms, I gave these as gifts.
00:28:27.180 | I bought some and gave them to my daughters
00:28:31.740 | and daughters-in-law and they,
00:28:34.060 | and Mary Claire called me and said,
00:28:36.700 | "Mom, that whole section on the parts of a story,
00:28:41.700 | "that is so clear."
00:28:44.420 | And so she was like, "We're really using that."
00:28:47.860 | Now, her oldest is nine.
00:28:49.940 | So it's for that younger, she goes,
00:28:52.740 | "I didn't have it all in my mind."
00:28:54.580 | She said, "This is what I would typically do.
00:28:57.620 | "Go online and spend 25 minutes looking
00:29:00.700 | "for a chart of what the parts of a story,
00:29:05.700 | "the climax of the story and what's the plot with it."
00:29:09.780 | And she said, "It's right here.
00:29:11.380 | "I didn't know it had so many resources like that."
00:29:14.460 | So that's what I've also heard,
00:29:16.540 | is that people, it's like at your fingertips
00:29:19.660 | when you're just right there,
00:29:22.340 | I'm in the middle of something,
00:29:23.900 | I don't have time to go look.
00:29:26.300 | I can just go, "Oh, let's learn some Roman numerals."
00:29:31.580 | Right there.
00:29:32.420 | And so I think that those are the two things
00:29:37.420 | just surprises older moms going, "You need to have this."
00:29:41.300 | - I've heard people say, "Oh my gosh.
00:29:45.460 | "Why did they not tell you that this is what you need
00:29:49.580 | "to understand the whole program from beginning to end?"
00:29:53.540 | I have actually heard people,
00:29:55.580 | sometimes I'm not really lurking,
00:29:58.100 | but I'm in a crowd and people don't know
00:30:01.420 | that I had anything to do with it.
00:30:03.580 | So I just hear them talking about it at a practicum
00:30:07.700 | or at a book sale or something like that.
00:30:10.060 | And I hear people, I've heard people say,
00:30:13.340 | "This, this is what you really need.
00:30:15.580 | "This is how it starts, but it shows you where it's going
00:30:19.820 | "and it shows you where every strand is going."
00:30:24.460 | And one of the things that I really, really like
00:30:27.860 | that I think is helpful that I also think gets overlooked.
00:30:32.700 | And so listeners, what Amy and I are also telling you
00:30:35.860 | is all the pieces of this resource that we love
00:30:39.380 | that some people have not found yet.
00:30:42.220 | One of the things that I love is the two-page spread
00:30:47.220 | that each strand has before the recipes,
00:30:52.340 | before the activities.
00:30:54.100 | So it's called "Everyone Has a Grammar Of."
00:30:58.140 | So like there's a grammar of science.
00:31:01.460 | There's a two-page spread and it tells you,
00:31:04.980 | it answers all those questions that your mother-in-law
00:31:09.980 | or maybe your dad, maybe your husband is saying,
00:31:12.740 | "Why are you studying this?"
00:31:15.220 | 'Cause like for Latin, why are you studying Latin
00:31:19.100 | with these little four to eight-year-olds, okay?
00:31:21.540 | Why are you studying science?
00:31:24.140 | What kind of science do you want to study?
00:31:28.420 | How can you and your children together at home
00:31:32.560 | become scientists?
00:31:34.740 | What are the skills of a scientist?
00:31:37.460 | We don't want you at home just to learn about science.
00:31:40.580 | We want you to become scientists.
00:31:43.740 | So what tools and thinking patterns do scientists use?
00:31:48.500 | What questions do they pose?
00:31:50.460 | And then how can you become a lifelong science learner?
00:31:55.460 | We give a lot of lip service to becoming lifelong learners,
00:32:00.220 | but how do you do that?
00:32:02.060 | I mean, what will start us on that path?
00:32:05.140 | And then I love it 'cause there are tools over here.
00:32:08.620 | So if you want to become, if you want to study science
00:32:12.660 | and you're a scribbler, what do you do?
00:32:14.660 | Well, it tells you right here,
00:32:16.900 | go out and get a magnifying glass.
00:32:18.980 | You can get them at the dollar store, okay?
00:32:21.540 | You want one big enough for little hands to use, okay?
00:32:25.540 | A magnifying glass and tweezers and safety scissors
00:32:28.720 | and a flashlight and a funnel.
00:32:31.060 | Now see, I might not have thought of that
00:32:32.860 | before I had kids, that a funnel might be a scientist tool.
00:32:36.980 | A bug net and a bug container, a notebook,
00:32:40.260 | some plastic bags, a dip net and a bucket
00:32:43.700 | and a picture encyclopedia of the natural world.
00:32:46.980 | So what an easy thing.
00:32:49.720 | So what if you, what if your mom or dad says to you,
00:32:52.740 | "Well, what should I get the kids for Christmas?"
00:32:55.260 | And you don't want them to have another video game
00:32:57.900 | and you don't want another toy to strow
00:33:00.420 | around your playroom floor, look on these tools pages.
00:33:05.420 | Maybe they'll get your kids some eyedroppers
00:33:08.700 | and some beakers if they are a little bit older.
00:33:11.780 | So I love those pages that got really concrete
00:33:17.420 | it doesn't just say, we're gonna study,
00:33:19.860 | we're gonna do this science activity.
00:33:21.820 | So this is what comes behind it.
00:33:23.940 | And I liked that.
00:33:25.940 | - Oh, I think it's wonderful because it gives me as it,
00:33:30.940 | it provides me as a mom, as a kind of a way of thinking
00:33:36.140 | about how to introduce these strands to my children
00:33:46.300 | in a way that I take ownership.
00:33:48.860 | I can educate myself.
00:33:51.340 | That's what I was telling someone.
00:33:53.780 | This book is sort of like a foundations curriculum
00:33:58.340 | that if I had had, this is like,
00:34:02.820 | not only just the on-ramp to homeschooling
00:34:05.620 | because if you had this,
00:34:06.740 | you would be very, very well prepared.
00:34:09.900 | But also it's the ongoing ramp that you,
00:34:14.280 | like you just said, I would have never thought of that.
00:34:17.180 | And someone thought of it for you
00:34:19.500 | is that you thought, oh, I see.
00:34:21.580 | And it equips you to take the next step.
00:34:24.140 | You don't have to reinvent your homeschool environment
00:34:28.420 | from scratch.
00:34:29.920 | This is a guide that helps you think
00:34:33.820 | like it just gives you a way of thinking
00:34:36.420 | and approaching something.
00:34:38.040 | Why, what, how, that's super simple.
00:34:40.900 | But I skip that.
00:34:43.100 | I just go to, well, what do I need at Amazon or something?
00:34:45.900 | Instead of, no, let me think.
00:34:48.200 | Even as you're evaluating curriculum,
00:34:52.180 | why, what, how, those are really good questions.
00:34:56.840 | And so, and also I love the fact
00:34:59.620 | that they use the classical tools.
00:35:03.180 | We incorporated those.
00:35:04.940 | So they're not just some foreign word.
00:35:07.780 | It's like, oh, I need to compare.
00:35:10.140 | Oh, that's a great, that's simple.
00:35:12.740 | But I don't have a form,
00:35:15.740 | and I think it establishes your own habit
00:35:18.980 | of how you educate.
00:35:20.340 | It's really lovely in that way.
00:35:22.300 | Yes, yes.
00:35:23.140 | - Oh, I love it.
00:35:23.980 | And I do love,
00:35:25.580 | I don't want to say that I don't love the activities
00:35:28.780 | 'cause I still do.
00:35:30.220 | I love being able to do what you said,
00:35:32.860 | just pick and choose,
00:35:33.740 | just let the book fall open
00:35:36.380 | and decide what are we gonna do.
00:35:38.280 | So I just let the book fall open now.
00:35:41.820 | And there was a history.
00:35:42.900 | It's a history activity called Fill the Shelves.
00:35:46.460 | And you can play, it's a game you can play in the car.
00:35:49.780 | - Ah.
00:35:50.620 | - So there are all kinds of activities,
00:35:53.420 | things that you do in the backyard,
00:35:55.200 | things that you do in the car,
00:35:57.180 | things that require no equipment or supplies at all.
00:36:02.180 | And some that require things
00:36:04.460 | that you're gonna have at home,
00:36:05.820 | crayons, scrap paper, a clothes hanger,
00:36:10.020 | stuff like that.
00:36:11.780 | Things that are easily accessible to most of us
00:36:15.340 | that we might not think of the activity
00:36:18.660 | when we've had a really long, hard day on our own,
00:36:22.100 | but we could easily follow somebody else's idea
00:36:25.760 | for the activity.
00:36:27.040 | And so I just really love that.
00:36:29.820 | - I do too.
00:36:31.380 | I think, I'm sorry.
00:36:32.660 | I think that some people just see it
00:36:34.520 | as maybe it's just an activity booklet.
00:36:36.980 | And I thought, oh no, you can do that on Pinterest.
00:36:40.300 | I mean, that's just easy.
00:36:42.180 | But what I do love about it is,
00:36:44.720 | for example, I think in the math portion
00:36:49.580 | that there's this, there's an activity,
00:36:52.740 | but then you look right over and you go,
00:36:55.340 | oh, wait a minute, that connects with this.
00:36:59.620 | And so, especially as, if you are a mom like I was,
00:37:04.500 | and when they said, oh, we're gonna do Latin,
00:37:07.100 | I just thought, no.
00:37:08.780 | (both laughing)
00:37:10.380 | - No, no we're not.
00:37:11.300 | - But what I love about this is so restfully arranged.
00:37:18.140 | And so it's not just those activities are great
00:37:21.500 | for your children, but they're inviting for adults like,
00:37:24.940 | oh, well, wait a minute, we can play that little game
00:37:27.500 | and I can look like I know what I'm doing.
00:37:30.860 | - Right, until I do, we can fake it till we make it, right?
00:37:34.700 | - Exactly, and then you start seeing like,
00:37:36.940 | well, that's not so hard.
00:37:38.860 | And I think I just love how they put
00:37:41.580 | just the design of the book.
00:37:42.940 | It just is very, it's very inviting.
00:37:46.060 | - It is very inviting.
00:37:47.820 | - Technical book is very.
00:37:49.820 | - Yep, it's very colorful, it's very easy to use.
00:37:53.820 | It's easy to flip open the spiral binding,
00:37:57.820 | makes it really easy to find your spot
00:38:00.180 | and just carry it around.
00:38:03.020 | - Well, there are people who, I always hear people say,
00:38:08.020 | oh, well, I didn't think Scribblers was for me.
00:38:11.900 | So here's the thing, here's the deal.
00:38:15.420 | Every family should give Scribblers another look.
00:38:19.180 | Families who are just starting out who think,
00:38:21.900 | I'd really like to do this well from the beginning.
00:38:26.020 | What are some of the things I should think about?
00:38:28.340 | What should my husband and I sit down and consider
00:38:31.020 | before we jump into this journey?
00:38:33.380 | Or we've been doing this for a couple of years
00:38:36.260 | and it feels a little chaotic.
00:38:37.860 | And I would like to think that we are more unified
00:38:41.620 | in the why.
00:38:42.740 | So Scribblers is perfect.
00:38:45.300 | That whole first introductory section
00:38:47.740 | helps you build your why as a family.
00:38:51.540 | There are so many, like you said, Amy,
00:38:56.660 | challenge parents who pick this up and say,
00:38:59.620 | whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, wait a minute.
00:39:01.980 | This is supposed to be an activity book for little kids,
00:39:05.620 | but I want all these charts, all of these charts,
00:39:09.220 | the topic wheel chart and a microscope chart,
00:39:13.580 | a polygons chart, like Mary Claire said,
00:39:17.860 | the parts of a story chart, an invention chart.
00:39:22.860 | How many of us had our child come home from challenge
00:39:26.900 | and say, well, this week is invention.
00:39:29.260 | I need to think about how to write my paper.
00:39:32.500 | And we're like, invention, now what would that be?
00:39:35.540 | So here on page 109, families, is an invention chart.
00:39:40.140 | It tells you exactly the guiding questions for inventing.
00:39:45.140 | So lots of challenge parents would be blessed
00:39:49.100 | by this resource because it shows you where you're going
00:39:53.620 | with all this fun that you can do.
00:39:56.500 | But I'll also tell you, lots of challenge students
00:40:00.660 | enjoy Scribblers activities.
00:40:03.900 | Another group of people that I think
00:40:09.580 | would really love Scribblers,
00:40:12.060 | if they had half a chance, is grandparents.
00:40:15.940 | Scribblers makes it really easy for you to let grandma
00:40:20.940 | or grandpa be part of your homeschooling
00:40:24.060 | because the activities are so easy to do on the fly.
00:40:29.060 | You don't have to have a lot of context.
00:40:31.940 | They don't have to know what your children
00:40:33.660 | have been memorizing for the last eight weeks
00:40:36.660 | in order to do a Scribblers activity
00:40:38.980 | that will really build a skill through intentional play.
00:40:43.980 | And it makes your kids excited
00:40:46.740 | to have grandma and grandpa play with them.
00:40:49.060 | It makes grandma and grandpa excited
00:40:51.020 | to feel like they are part of your homeschool mission
00:40:54.180 | and they know what to do and how to do it.
00:40:57.060 | So that's another group that I think
00:40:59.220 | might be missing what Scribblers has to offer.
00:41:05.060 | What about you?
00:41:07.460 | Who do you think might love Scribblers
00:41:09.340 | if they gave it another look?
00:41:11.060 | - You know, I think I was just thinking for myself
00:41:15.580 | that through all the stages of,
00:41:18.820 | especially I would say after we made that initial decision
00:41:22.660 | and probably three years in,
00:41:24.620 | and that's when you're sort of hit with the reality
00:41:28.300 | that by that time we had two, soon to be three children
00:41:33.300 | in our homeschool family.
00:41:37.380 | And it just felt like I was a frantic
00:41:42.220 | and I didn't know, why am I doing this?
00:41:47.060 | Am I capable of doing this?
00:41:49.180 | And I think that, I think it's one of those resources
00:41:54.180 | that you need to keep on your shelf like a cookbook.
00:41:58.380 | You pull it off your shelf and you say,
00:42:01.580 | okay, what do I need?
00:42:03.460 | Where do I feel like I'm lacking?
00:42:04.900 | And I think one thing that's lovely,
00:42:07.260 | and I love this about classical conversations,
00:42:10.780 | everyone is a learner.
00:42:12.980 | And as a mom, you're a lead learner.
00:42:15.740 | You are a, and you are a fantastic learner.
00:42:20.020 | And there are some things in here you might go,
00:42:22.780 | oh, I was an English major.
00:42:24.260 | Got it, got the literature part.
00:42:26.700 | But I am so intimidated by science or history.
00:42:31.620 | I wasn't really into that.
00:42:33.380 | I'm gonna just, and really, I'm not kidding you.
00:42:35.980 | If you, I told me, I was telling my daughters,
00:42:39.020 | if you just open the book and look at,
00:42:41.340 | oh, Latin prepositions and adverbs chart.
00:42:44.300 | I'm just, and I think, oh, it might make you feel
00:42:48.340 | a little nauseous, like what?
00:42:49.860 | I don't know what that is about.
00:42:51.460 | But then I looked, there's a little clock
00:42:53.420 | that talks about time.
00:42:54.980 | There's manner, affirmation, negation, place, and degree.
00:42:58.660 | And all I can do is look at this,
00:43:01.460 | and in a matter of, I would say 10 minutes, maybe,
00:43:05.100 | look over this, and that becomes a little more familiar.
00:43:08.500 | And we always learn in cycles, in layers.
00:43:12.700 | And so the next time my child comes home and says,
00:43:15.180 | what's a preposition?
00:43:16.940 | I can say, well, not only can I tell you
00:43:18.660 | what a preposition is,
00:43:19.660 | I can tell you what a Latin preposition is.
00:43:21.820 | And I can help them.
00:43:23.020 | It just empowers you.
00:43:26.140 | I think the world just inundates us.
00:43:32.260 | And it does, it's not just at the beginning.
00:43:35.420 | It's every year you are fighting for the truth
00:43:41.860 | that God has placed me as the educator of my children.
00:43:46.140 | And every year, I would say, even throughout the year,
00:43:49.980 | I was always going back to that truth.
00:43:53.460 | No, this is our calling.
00:43:54.780 | It's what God has called us to.
00:43:56.620 | And yet we don't have a fancy lab,
00:43:59.260 | and I don't know all this or that.
00:44:03.100 | And the world just kind of screams at you
00:44:05.220 | that this needs to be a professional
00:44:07.740 | doing what you're doing.
00:44:09.220 | And this, I think, what I love the most about this,
00:44:13.980 | the Scribblers, is that it's a resource
00:44:17.260 | that I feel equipped.
00:44:19.700 | Like I have at least the words, the language,
00:44:23.540 | the basic understanding, and I can go from here.
00:44:26.380 | I can get deeper,
00:44:27.820 | but I've already got the groundwork is laid for me.
00:44:30.380 | So when my challenged one child comes home and says,
00:44:33.540 | we're doing team policy,
00:44:34.780 | I don't have to go online and look up
00:44:37.860 | someone else's version of what a team policy debate is.
00:44:41.140 | I can go right here and know this is,
00:44:43.820 | and of course, the beauty of this
00:44:46.020 | is it's directly tied to the challenge curriculum.
00:44:50.220 | So it's not gonna be some odd definition that-
00:44:54.460 | - Right.
00:44:55.580 | - It's gonna be directly
00:44:57.340 | what your child is learning in community.
00:45:00.140 | So I love that.
00:45:01.260 | That's just wonderful.
00:45:02.980 | - It's gonna help parents get started well
00:45:05.780 | and continue alongside their child
00:45:08.900 | on that educational journey.
00:45:10.660 | And really, that's the whole point of Scribblers
00:45:13.900 | is to create a family culture of learning,
00:45:18.460 | the rhythms of learning together for life.
00:45:22.740 | Amy, thank you for helping me celebrate Scribblers
00:45:25.500 | and maybe giving people another reason to take another look.
00:45:30.500 | - Yes.
00:45:31.700 | - Families, I also want you to know that
00:45:35.180 | the Scribblers writers will be receiving
00:45:39.700 | their Illuminations Gold Reward at National Conference.
00:45:44.540 | So let me tell you,
00:45:46.180 | if you want to meet the writers of Scribblers,
00:45:50.460 | that's only a small reason to go to National Conference.
00:45:54.300 | You need to mark your calendar for May 2nd
00:45:56.940 | through the 4th in Southern Pines.
00:45:59.500 | There's gonna be a lot of things going on there.
00:46:02.300 | You're gonna be able to hear talks
00:46:03.740 | from homeschool leaders like Lee Bortons.
00:46:06.780 | You could be part of National Commencement.
00:46:09.380 | You could watch our official graduation ceremony
00:46:12.980 | for Challenge graduates and their parents.
00:46:15.420 | You could see some of the National Memory Master Championship
00:46:19.300 | with the grand prize of $10,000.
00:46:22.180 | If you haven't been,
00:46:23.780 | if you're a CC family who hasn't been
00:46:25.780 | to National Events Weekend yet,
00:46:27.580 | this might be your year to go.
00:46:29.780 | If you're interested and you want to find out more,
00:46:32.780 | you can go to classicalconversationsfoundation.org.
00:46:37.780 | Amy and I hope that we'll see you there.
00:46:42.620 | Amy, I can't wait to see you there.
00:46:44.940 | And I'm looking forward to touch a base with you.
00:46:47.700 | And I want to say thank you again
00:46:49.500 | for sharing your heart for Scribblers with our listeners.
00:46:52.940 | - This was just a delight.
00:46:54.300 | Thank you.
00:46:55.140 | - This was fun.
00:46:55.980 | Okay, I will see you soon, Amy.
00:46:58.340 | Listeners, I hope I'll see you soon too.
00:47:00.820 | Bye-bye.
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