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00:01:01.000 | Today on Radical Personal Finance, live Q&A.

00:01:03.000 | Welcome to Radical Personal Finance, a show dedicated to providing you

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00:01:29.000 | My name is Joshua Sheets.

00:01:30.000 | Today is Friday, June 7, 2024.

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00:02:17.000 | We begin with Mava in Texas.

00:02:19.000 | Mava, welcome to the show.

00:02:20.000 | How can I serve you today?

00:02:22.000 | Hi, Joshua.

00:02:23.000 | Thank you for taking my call.

00:02:24.000 | As always, thank you for the value you provide and insights shared.

00:02:28.000 | The question I have today is kind of the classic whether to take on a mortgage

00:02:33.000 | or kind of put myself in a position towards a house for cash,

00:02:39.000 | so a little bit of background.

00:02:41.000 | My husband and I have several hundred in tax advantage savings,

00:02:46.000 | so your IRA, 401(k), et cetera, and then around 100 in brokerage.

00:02:54.000 | And we're interested in buying a home.

00:02:58.000 | Probably something suitable for our needs would be around 400(k).

00:03:04.000 | And the idea and thought is whether to think of a mortgage

00:03:10.000 | or just put ourselves in a position to purchase cash.

00:03:15.000 | Currently, in addition to kind of invested amounts shared,

00:03:20.000 | we have about 50(k) that's liquid.

00:03:23.000 | And after, like, income, taxes,

00:03:30.000 | and kind of the pre-tax retirement contributions,

00:03:34.000 | we would annually take in about 150(k).

00:03:39.000 | So presumably with the kind of balances that we have,

00:03:45.000 | we'd be in a position to purchase cash in about two years.

00:03:48.000 | And so my first question is just what opportunity costs should we consider

00:03:54.000 | when we're thinking about, you know, entertaining cash purchase?

00:03:58.000 | So, like, what questions to kind of ask ourselves to weigh out cost/benefit?

00:04:02.000 | And then, secondly,

00:04:04.000 | if kind of leaning towards cash purchase of a home beyond high-yield savings,

00:04:09.000 | CEs, or just kind of, like, classic ways to hold a high liquid balance,

00:04:14.000 | what else would you maybe bring up to consider?

00:04:18.000 | Just kind of thinking of holding a highly liquid position for two years or so.

00:04:24.000 | How old are you and your husband?

00:04:27.000 | Late 20s.

00:04:28.000 | Do you have children?

00:04:30.000 | One.

00:04:32.000 | When you consider paying cash for a house versus a mortgage,

00:04:38.000 | the most important considerations lie on the dimension of

00:04:44.000 | long-term financial gain through the potential power of leverage

00:04:49.000 | versus the stability of lifestyle

00:04:53.000 | and the peaceful mind and heart that come from not being in debt.

00:04:59.000 | When we look at a piece of real estate,

00:05:02.000 | whether it's a house to live in or a rental house,

00:05:06.000 | when we add a mortgage in and we assume a growth in the value,

00:05:11.000 | the mortgage will generally mean

00:05:14.000 | that the long-term rate of return of the investment is higher

00:05:19.000 | because it adds leverage.

00:05:21.000 | You can do the same calculation with your stock account.

00:05:24.000 | You can say I've got a brokerage account here.

00:05:27.000 | If I go ahead and open a margin account

00:05:29.000 | and start purchasing stocks and mutual funds with debt,

00:05:33.000 | I will have a higher long-term rate of return

00:05:37.000 | because of the expanding effects of the debt.

00:05:41.000 | That's the whole point of debt,

00:05:43.000 | is to allow people to purchase more than they otherwise could without debt.

00:05:48.000 | Now, when I introduce the concept of a margin account,

00:05:51.000 | then very frequently people become more conservative

00:05:55.000 | because they say, wait a second, if I invest on margin,

00:05:57.000 | I can get wiped out.

00:05:59.000 | They often apply that easily to stocks and mutual funds

00:06:03.000 | and not so much to real estate,

00:06:05.000 | but the same principle applies.

00:06:07.000 | I can enhance the returns by borrowing for the investment,

00:06:13.000 | but now I introduce greater risk into my life,

00:06:17.000 | and we have to account for that risk in some way.

00:06:20.000 | Ordinarily, the defense of using margin safely for real estate

00:06:25.000 | and not using it safely for stocks

00:06:28.000 | has to do with the general stability of housing,

00:06:32.000 | especially as compared to stock market values,

00:06:35.000 | and the stability of income and having a margin of safety.

00:06:39.000 | This is why we get all kinds of conventionally safe amounts

00:06:43.000 | that it's safe to borrow this amount.

00:06:45.000 | It's all basically an idea of pulling back from the edge

00:06:49.000 | and choosing a more moderate and safe position.

00:06:52.000 | But when you do that, you're giving up long-term rate of return.

00:06:56.000 | I would say that it's very difficult to find

00:06:59.000 | a satisfying financial calculation that accounts for these things.

00:07:03.000 | Rather, it's important to recognize

00:07:06.000 | that you're measuring this on basically two different axes,

00:07:10.000 | and they don't really meet.

00:07:13.000 | It's very hard to make them meet.

00:07:15.000 | Intuitively, the idea of a young couple with a child

00:07:20.000 | in late 20s being able to pay cash for a house,

00:07:24.000 | almost anybody intuitively knows

00:07:27.000 | that's an incredibly attractive thing,

00:07:30.000 | because the house now can be something

00:07:33.000 | that provides enormous stability under the family.

00:07:36.000 | The house is something that, because we don't have a mortgage,

00:07:39.000 | now we have complete and total freedom of choice.

00:07:42.000 | You can work any job, whether it's high-paying or low-paying.

00:07:45.000 | If you lose your job,

00:07:47.000 | there's very little financial stress associated with that.

00:07:50.000 | So that's an enormously valuable thing.

00:07:54.000 | If you are within striking distance of a debt-free house,

00:07:58.000 | I would urge you to go that way,

00:08:01.000 | because it's hard for me to believe

00:08:04.000 | that that won't result in a better life.

00:08:08.000 | However, I have to acknowledge as a professional financial planner

00:08:12.000 | that it may result in a lower return

00:08:16.000 | on your real estate purchase.

00:08:19.000 | But I think it would generally result in a much better life

00:08:22.000 | because of the peace and confidence and stability

00:08:25.000 | that it puts in your situation.

00:08:28.000 | There are a number of other lenses

00:08:31.000 | that we could use of analysis.

00:08:33.000 | For example, I think that one countervailing fact

00:08:38.000 | that could help this to actually turn out to be financially superior

00:08:42.000 | would involve the idea of motivation.

00:08:45.000 | When a young couple has a clear goal of paying cash for a house

00:08:49.000 | and you're within striking distance,

00:08:52.000 | that can be very highly motivating for you over the next couple of years

00:08:55.000 | to earn as much as you can, keep your expenses as low as you can,

00:08:58.000 | because we're paying cash for a house.

00:09:01.000 | That would offset the potential returns of leverage.

00:09:05.000 | In addition, you would have a stronger potential

00:09:09.000 | to get the very best bargain that you can on your house.

00:09:13.000 | Anytime I've ever purchased something using debt,

00:09:16.000 | I have found that I didn't ever make as smart of buying decisions

00:09:20.000 | as I did when I was paying cash,

00:09:23.000 | because it's just debt, so I can pay a little bit extra.

00:09:26.000 | I'll just swipe the card and move along my way.

00:09:29.000 | When you actually pay cash, and in this case, of course,

00:09:32.000 | we mean that in the money-in-the-bank sense,

00:09:35.000 | not in the physical sense when you're buying a house.

00:09:38.000 | When you pay cash for something, you have a tendency to bargain harder,

00:09:41.000 | think more carefully about what you want,

00:09:44.000 | and you don't face the distortions in your purchasing decisions

00:09:47.000 | based upon the debt markets.

00:09:50.000 | You may also be able to use the ability that you have with cash

00:09:53.000 | to purchase a home that's a bargain because you have cash.

00:09:57.000 | If you're going out and purchasing real estate as an investor,

00:10:02.000 | you're always conscious of the fact that you can compete on price

00:10:06.000 | or you can compete on terms.

00:10:09.000 | If you go out and you're a skilled and experienced investor,

00:10:13.000 | you can offer somebody a lower price but better terms,

00:10:16.000 | as in, "I'll stroke you a check tomorrow at 5 o'clock,

00:10:20.000 | and I'll pay cash for the house if you'll sell it to me today

00:10:23.000 | for 20% less than you're asking."

00:10:26.000 | You can do that, and the immediacy of the purchase

00:10:29.000 | can make a big difference.

00:10:31.000 | In a competitive real estate market, a cash offer can often allow

00:10:35.000 | your offer to rise to the top because the seller knows

00:10:38.000 | that there is less qualification needed for a mortgage.

00:10:43.000 | If somebody goes out and is purchasing with an FHA mortgage

00:10:47.000 | and they submit a contract offer with the FHA mortgage,

00:10:52.000 | knowing the additional underwriting and everything that's associated

00:10:55.000 | with the FHA mortgage, the seller may not choose to sell to that person

00:10:58.000 | because it's coming with that kind of financing,

00:11:01.000 | and so a cash buyer could make a more competitive offer.

00:11:05.000 | There are other ways that you could sweeten the pot.

00:11:08.000 | Sometimes you could purchase a house that's simply unfinanceable.

00:11:12.000 | Years ago, I looked at a house that had a messed-up foundation,

00:11:15.000 | and the foundation caused the house to be un-mortgageable.

00:11:20.000 | But just because it had a messed-up foundation didn't mean

00:11:23.000 | that the foundation couldn't be fixed.

00:11:26.000 | And so a guy came in, got the house for an enormous discount

00:11:30.000 | because it was un-financeable, fixed the foundation,

00:11:33.000 | and everything was good.

00:11:35.000 | So those are some other factors to think of, but at its core,

00:11:39.000 | it's just going to come down to the clarity of a goal

00:11:43.000 | and the long-term--the clarity of the goal for you as a family

00:11:48.000 | and the value of being debt-free.

00:11:50.000 | And I think that it would be a move that you would absolutely not regret,

00:11:54.000 | just pay cash for the house.

00:11:59.000 | Okay, thanks for weighing in.

00:12:01.000 | That's kind of the direction we were leaning

00:12:03.000 | and just kind of thinking through and taking a moment to pause.

00:12:10.000 | In terms of just holding that amount of liquidity,

00:12:12.000 | is there anything that you would advise or caution?

00:12:17.000 | High-yield savings is fine.

00:12:19.000 | Money market is fine.

00:12:20.000 | You can open a T-bills account, and that would be fine as well.

00:12:23.000 | Any of those are fine.

00:12:25.000 | The standard for large amounts of money when you get to significant money

00:12:28.000 | is just to open a direct T-bills account with the U.S. government.

00:12:33.000 | And I don't know if that's worth it here.

00:12:35.000 | I don't know the numbers that your high-yield savings

00:12:38.000 | and all your existing accounts are offering you.

00:12:40.000 | You're not in the danger zone for just standard savings accounts

00:12:42.000 | with FDIC insurance.

00:12:44.000 | But when you get beyond that standard,

00:12:46.000 | the normal is just a T-bills account.

00:12:50.000 | Okay.

00:12:51.000 | Okay.

00:12:52.000 | Thanks, Joshua.

00:12:53.000 | My pleasure, and congratulations.

00:12:54.000 | You and your husband must be working so hard to make this happen,

00:12:57.000 | and congratulations.

00:12:58.000 | I hope that you find the house of your dreams.

00:13:00.000 | Andrew in Minnesota, welcome to the show.

00:13:01.000 | How can I serve you today?

00:13:04.000 | Hey, good afternoon, Joshua.

00:13:06.000 | Thanks for doing this.

00:13:08.000 | Long-time listener and caller, and I appreciate all the work you do.

00:13:13.000 | My pleasure.

00:13:14.000 | So quick question.

00:13:16.000 | I bought a travel trailer,

00:13:20.000 | and I would like to road trip the Rocky Mountain West.

00:13:24.000 | And I can work from home or work from the camper with Starlink,

00:13:30.000 | and I've tested that out locally, and it's effective technically,

00:13:36.000 | and it's good with my employer.

00:13:40.000 | I was just curious if you have any general tips

00:13:43.000 | or lessons learned from your RVing the country experience.

00:13:49.000 | I know this is somewhat of a general question,

00:13:51.000 | and I just don't know what I don't know.

00:13:54.000 | And so just curious if you have any good, like, oh,

00:13:57.000 | I wish I would have known that when I started per se.

00:13:59.000 | Absolutely.

00:14:00.000 | Will you be traveling alone or with family members?

00:14:04.000 | Generally alone.

00:14:06.000 | And is your budget ample or modest?

00:14:12.000 | Ample.

00:14:14.000 | The way that I think about it is -- the way that I think about traveling

00:14:19.000 | and working from the road is as a chance to test out a variety

00:14:24.000 | of different lifestyles without fully committing to them

00:14:27.000 | and kind of get an idea of what you really enjoy.

00:14:30.000 | Do you need to work during specific hours, or do you have flexibility?

00:14:35.000 | Generally 8 to 4 Monday through Friday.

00:14:39.000 | Okay.

00:14:40.000 | So I have some flexibility, but 80% of the time through traditional hours.

00:14:44.000 | Yeah.

00:14:45.000 | It'll work fine.

00:14:46.000 | The western United States is one of the most spectacular places to travel,

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00:15:01.000 | The western U.S. is much, much cheaper, primarily because there's so much public land.

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00:15:10.000 | Are you set up to be -- yeah, you've got Starlink, but do you have batteries?

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00:15:14.000 | Do you have a plan for parking out in the middle of the field,

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00:15:50.000 | No, I've got a three-quarter ton pickup.

00:15:53.000 | The axle's flipped on the camper, so I can go down pretty gnarly roads.

00:15:57.000 | I've got a -- I think it's a 2,000-watt battery pack to power a Starlink laptop for a day.

00:16:04.000 | I've got a generator and solar panels.

00:16:06.000 | Perfect.

00:16:07.000 | You're set up.

00:16:08.000 | So then your biggest constraint is usually going to be water.

00:16:10.000 | And in that case, just make sure you have the ability with some jugs to bring yourself water when you need to.

00:16:17.000 | But if you're a single guy and you've got a 50-gallon tank -- I stretched with my wife and three children.

00:16:23.000 | We just had our standard, I think, 51-gallon freshwater tank.

00:16:26.000 | The longest we did was -- what's the name of that park?

00:16:29.000 | There's a beautiful national forest just to the west of Cheyenne, Wyoming.

00:16:40.000 | West of Cheyenne, there's an amazing mountain that we went up at.

00:16:44.000 | That's a big one.

00:16:45.000 | Yeah.

00:16:46.000 | I can't remember the name of the park.

00:16:48.000 | I could look it up.

00:16:49.000 | But it was our kind of peak experience.

00:16:52.000 | We were there early in the season.

00:16:53.000 | We'd gone to Cheyenne Frontier Days, and this park, there was still snow melt.

00:16:58.000 | And it was a little RV park up at the top of the mountain in just this absolutely spectacular setting.

00:17:03.000 | And it was the kind of thing that our pictures looked like the pictures of a brochure, of a travel trailer brochure.

00:17:10.000 | Right out the door is a beautiful alpine lake.

00:17:13.000 | There's a little bit of snowpack still melting near the camper, which was fun for the children to throw the slushy, sleety ice back and forth.

00:17:22.000 | And it was a hassle to get up to the place because the road was small.

00:17:26.000 | And so it wasn't the kind of place that was just comfortable to go in and out.

00:17:30.000 | So we said, "Well, let's stay here as long as we can."

00:17:33.000 | So we were able to stretch our 51 gallons to a week with just being very, very cautious.

00:17:38.000 | So you could certainly get a couple weeks in if you practice water conservation.

00:17:42.000 | But that's going to usually be your constraining factor because with your generator and your battery pack and whatnot, you're fine for a few days.

00:17:50.000 | You don't generally need to run an air conditioning as long as you're at a high altitude and not where it's hot.

00:17:55.000 | And it's just going to be great.

00:17:57.000 | So the first thing is consider following the weather.

00:17:59.000 | That's one thing that is pretty consistently done.

00:18:02.000 | Figure out what weather you like and go north and south based upon the weather.

00:18:06.000 | And if it gets hot, go higher in elevation, go a little bit lower.

00:18:10.000 | Try to plan, obviously, around your weekend.

00:18:12.000 | And so the point of the RV is to get you in a place where there are events that are close to you.

00:18:16.000 | So Cheyenne Frontier Days, for example, one of my favorite things that we've ever done.

00:18:20.000 | It is such a great show and just totally, totally different than a lot of other things.

00:18:25.000 | Or think about where you're going to be for 4th of July.

00:18:28.000 | For us, we were in 4th of July.

00:18:30.000 | We were in a little town.

00:18:31.000 | We had some friends in Kansas City.

00:18:33.000 | And we went an hour and a half, two hours outside of Kansas City to this little town where our friend's father and family was from.

00:18:40.000 | And just had the absolute quintessential 4th of July experience at this little town in Kansas.

00:18:46.000 | And it was just phenomenal.

00:18:48.000 | And so you just want to think about where you want to be on the weekends because obviously you're going to be working.

00:18:52.000 | And the nice thing about the RV is you're comfortable in a variety of locations.

00:18:57.000 | I have enjoyed very much being off the beaten path.

00:19:00.000 | And so being out on the mountain, way in the middle of nowhere, doing hiking, that's great.

00:19:04.000 | It's also great to be right downtown in the middle of the city.

00:19:07.000 | So I would assume you're familiar with the various apps.

00:19:10.000 | I've forgotten all the names of them now.

00:19:12.000 | But there's a bunch of apps that have campsites and locations so that you can plan out your events and just be open to the serendipity of the road.

00:19:20.000 | Beyond that, the technology should work.

00:19:23.000 | Starlink has been a game changer.

00:19:25.000 | When we did it, it was before Starlink.

00:19:27.000 | And I had cell phone connections and data spots and MIMO antennas and all that stuff.

00:19:33.000 | And it was just an enormous hassle.

00:19:35.000 | And it wasn't very reliable.

00:19:37.000 | But Starlink has been a total game changer because it's so reliable.

00:19:40.000 | It's still probably not perfect.

00:19:42.000 | So you'll need to plan ahead and check out your spots.

00:19:45.000 | And so if you know you need to be at work on Monday morning at 8 a.m., usually you'll need to be in your spot by Sunday checking to make sure your data and everything is going to be reliable with your new spot so that you can be relaxed about being able to meet your work obligations.

00:19:58.000 | But without any more specific question, I'd say I love it.

00:20:01.000 | If I weren't raising children, there's a good chance that I would be spending most or all of my time living in a camper just traveling around the United States and Canada and Mexico just because I enjoy the lifestyle so much.

00:20:14.000 | Yeah, awesome.

00:20:17.000 | Yeah, cool.

00:20:19.000 | Well, thank you.

00:20:20.000 | And yeah, very much.

00:20:22.000 | This has been many years coming.

00:20:24.000 | And I'm, yeah, at some point I'm just, I've been saving very frugally for many, for a decade or so and close to call it mustache and fire probably there and plus a little more.

00:20:38.000 | I'm just like trying to, you know, let off the gas a little and live a little.

00:20:42.000 | And I've always wanted, grew up camp in the West and always wanted to do this.

00:20:47.000 | I was like, yeah, why don't I just go buy a three-quarter ton in a camper and have a good time?

00:20:51.000 | You will.

00:20:52.000 | The mistake that all new travelers make is they travel too hard.

00:20:55.000 | They move too fast.

00:20:56.000 | All of us do it.

00:20:57.000 | And so expect that in the beginning you're going to say, I've got to cover everything.

00:21:01.000 | And that's fine.

00:21:02.000 | Go cover everything.

00:21:03.000 | But then plan to slow down after a couple of months and recognize that there's no hurry.

00:21:08.000 | And you'll enjoy it more when you're traveling a little bit less.

00:21:11.000 | In terms of the money, you have an abundant budget.

00:21:13.000 | But just because you have it doesn't mean you need to spend it.

00:21:16.000 | And so what I always did was I just picked either we're going to travel, in which case today's budget is going to fuel,

00:21:24.000 | or we're going to do activities, in which case we'll try to minimize the accommodation costs,

00:21:31.000 | or we'll just take accommodations.

00:21:33.000 | And so for us, you know, you go in and out of nice RV parks with the amenities of a nice RV park

00:21:39.000 | that you pay a higher daily rate for as compared to just boondocking or taking an inexpensive state park

00:21:46.000 | with fewer amenities but a different experience.

00:21:48.000 | So you can very easily moderate your budget and live very inexpensively but still have plenty available.

00:21:54.000 | So think about that in terms of your accommodations and things like that.

00:21:58.000 | There are a few places that are very difficult to get into, and many of the parks are just completely overcrowded.

00:22:05.000 | So places like Yellowstone are basically impossible to get into without significant prior planning.

00:22:11.000 | I mean, we went into Yellowstone, but we just made a day trip of it.

00:22:14.000 | And I just skip a lot of those places because there's no need for that.

00:22:17.000 | Every place is spectacular.

00:22:19.000 | Spend some time in Utah.

00:22:21.000 | Utah is one of the most spectacular places, really nice as it starts to get to wintertime.

00:22:26.000 | Come down out of the north and go into the deserts, and it's spectacular there.

00:22:32.000 | Yeah, awesome. Is it easy to pull into a national park on a Tuesday or Wednesday

00:22:38.000 | and get a first-come, first-served campsite and hang out there for a week?

00:22:41.000 | I found it to be so, yeah.

00:22:43.000 | Generally, if you just are off schedule, and if you can be there early and be off schedule,

00:22:48.000 | we never had much trouble.

00:22:50.000 | I don't think I made a single reservation all the way through.

00:22:53.000 | And the only place I couldn't get in was Yellowstone, and that was no problem.

00:22:57.000 | We just did a day trip into Yellowstone, which was sufficient at the time

00:23:01.000 | because everything around there is basically almost as good.

00:23:04.000 | So if you're flexible and you're comfortable,

00:23:07.000 | and if you don't get in on Tuesday, then you can get in on Wednesday morning.

00:23:10.000 | Yeah, usually the first-come, first-served system still works fine.

00:23:15.000 | Yeah, okay. Thanks a lot. Thank you, sir.

00:23:18.000 | Yeah, my pleasure. Enjoy.

00:23:21.000 | You're going to meet some great people and have some great adventures.

00:23:23.000 | Eric in California, welcome to the show. How can I serve you?

00:23:26.000 | Hey, Joshua. I just want to make a comment about one of your latest podcasts on sudden death.

00:23:32.000 | It was phenomenal. I deal a lot with cybersecurity.

00:23:35.000 | I work with your pal Stephen Harris, and it's heartbreaking just being involved in church,

00:23:43.000 | and everybody knows, "Hey, Eric's in cybersecurity."

00:23:46.000 | And we have so many individuals that will come to us and say, "Hey, so-and-so died.

00:23:51.000 | Grandpa died. Dad died. Somebody died, and all of his technology is completely locked up.

00:23:56.000 | We don't know any of his passwords. Nothing's written down,"

00:23:59.000 | which means family photos for decades are locked up potentially.

00:24:03.000 | Cryptocurrency is locked up.

00:24:07.000 | It's a phenomenal podcast because I'm fairly young,

00:24:10.000 | and it seems to me that if you're nearing retirement age or past that, you have a trust and a will,

00:24:18.000 | but I've seen a lot of individuals pass away untimely,

00:24:23.000 | and it's heartbreaking to see if they can or cannot get into some of those things.

00:24:27.000 | So yeah, anyways, I just thought it was a phenomenal podcast.

00:24:30.000 | I deal with it a lot on a personal basis.

00:24:32.000 | And then out of the Jack Spierko gravel truck, what happens if you get hit by a gravel truck?

00:24:38.000 | My buddy and I started up our own side business of just like, "Hey, let's prepare for this ahead of time.

00:24:44.000 | We'll give you some documents to fill out."

00:24:47.000 | I mean, not a trust, not a will, but just where are things stored, what to look for, all of that stuff,

00:24:53.000 | and it has been hugely successful just out of the sense of it takes no time to take 15 minutes

00:24:59.000 | and write it all down of what's there and what's available.

00:25:03.000 | And yeah, anyways, I just thought the podcast was absolutely phenomenal.

00:25:07.000 | Thank you. What's the name of the business or the website?

00:25:10.000 | Gravel Truck. Right now, we don't have a website. We just have an email because we've been doing it locally.

00:25:15.000 | But it's Gravel Truck Plan, and the idea is what happens if you get hit?

00:25:19.000 | My wife made fun of me. She's like, "That's such a dumb name."

00:25:22.000 | And I was like, "Yeah, but when we say, 'Hey, what do you guys do?' It's like, 'Gravel Truck.'

00:25:26.000 | What does a gravel truck do? What happens right now if you get hit by a gravel truck?"

00:25:29.000 | I love it. It's sick.

00:25:31.000 | And everybody kind of looks at you blank in the face. I'm like, "What happens?

00:25:35.000 | Where are your passwords? Are there backups to your passwords?"

00:25:38.000 | If you have crypto, does everybody know your ledger, your seed phrase, all that stuff?

00:25:42.000 | How is that secured?

00:25:44.000 | So we work with them on varying levels of paranoia of like, "We can hold the files for you.

00:25:51.000 | You can give us the encrypted version of the files."

00:25:53.000 | And it's also interesting doing that technical bits with potentially some older generation,

00:25:59.000 | which is not necessarily trusting the technology.

00:26:02.000 | So like, "Hey, let's print it all out in a binder."

00:26:04.000 | Just having that information somewhere is so hugely powerful.

00:26:09.000 | Anyways, when I was talking to my buddy, I was like,

00:26:12.000 | "You're not going to believe the latest Radical Personal Finance podcast."

00:26:17.000 | He all but said our name and what we do.

00:26:20.000 | So anyways, it's just a side thing for right now.

00:26:23.000 | But if it just helps one person and one family not go through what I've seen a bunch of other families go through,

00:26:30.000 | it'll have been more than worth it.

00:26:32.000 | What is the – how do people get in touch with you and what can they buy from you?

00:26:36.000 | Yeah, so I mean this doesn't need to be infomercial or anything.

00:26:39.000 | Go ahead.

00:26:40.000 | I'm giving you layups here.

00:26:41.000 | Sell, sell, sell.

00:26:43.000 | All right, all right, all right.

00:26:45.000 | I won't take money as Jack Sparrow says, right?

00:26:48.000 | So essentially it's one time that we onboard you for $500.

00:26:52.000 | We give you the documentation that covers an annual thing.

00:26:56.000 | And basically what we do is you designate two people to be your "cleanup crew."

00:27:01.000 | Family members, wife, whoever, who we validate, "Hey, is this person actually dead?"

00:27:06.000 | Or they call us if they're actually – if you're actually dead.

00:27:10.000 | And then after that, it's $220 a year.

00:27:13.000 | And that gets you basically a one-time or an annual phone call saying, "Hey, here's what we have on file.

00:27:18.000 | What do you want to update?

00:27:19.000 | Has anything changed?"

00:27:20.000 | Kind of walk them through our list of – a list of those different things.

00:27:24.000 | Just it's one of those things that life goes on.

00:27:27.000 | If somebody were to call you up right now and ask you, "Hey, are these still the same people in your life that you want your designated cleanup crew?

00:27:34.000 | Do you have a new house?

00:27:35.000 | Do you have new passwords, new crypto, new passwords?"

00:27:39.000 | That's in that annual kind of like subscription model.

00:27:43.000 | And if anybody's interested, it's info@graveltruckplan.com.

00:27:47.000 | It's the way to get ahold of us.

00:27:49.000 | And it's one of those things, the way that I also pitch it.

00:27:51.000 | I'm like, "Look, it's cheaper than a Netflix subscription to know that your loved ones can get into all of your stuff after you pass away."

00:27:58.000 | And at any point, somebody could cancel it, keep all the documents for themselves.

00:28:02.000 | And just as long as they update them, they can do it.

00:28:04.000 | And I have a lot of people that say – tell me like, "Wow, that's awfully expensive for something I could do by myself."

00:28:09.000 | And I go, "Please do.

00:28:12.000 | Please do it by yourself.

00:28:13.000 | Please sit down and take some time.

00:28:15.000 | Do not hurt my feelings at all in any way, shape, or form because I just – my hope is that everybody does it."

00:28:21.000 | I've had some clients that have come to me with multiple millions of dollars of cryptocurrency.

00:28:27.000 | And they're just like, "We just can't get into this Excel document."

00:28:30.000 | And the person was pretty astute, had good passwords, and we weren't able to break in.

00:28:35.000 | But we just know that it's sitting there.

00:28:38.000 | And so if we could prevent anything like that, that's kind of our whole model of it.

00:28:44.000 | And then the way that it works as far as your cleanup crew is that if something happens to you, we have your cleanup crew's contact information.

00:28:52.000 | And we call them as well in that annual process just to say, "Hey, if anything happens to Joshua, give us a call.

00:28:58.000 | We'll call the other person designated.

00:29:00.000 | Make sure that this is all above board."

00:29:03.000 | And kind of go from there and basically carry out on your wishes.

00:29:07.000 | And one of the last things kind of too that we are kind of looking forward to is implementing something where it's like,

00:29:13.000 | "Hey, on the anniversary of say your death, your wedding anniversary after you're gone, you're going to have flowers or something delivered to your significant other."

00:29:20.000 | It's kind of like beyond the grave just for that first year.

00:29:24.000 | Anyways, enough of the infomercial.

00:29:26.000 | I absolutely love that podcast.

00:29:28.000 | Good.

00:29:29.000 | Let me comment briefly.

00:29:31.000 | But I love it.

00:29:32.000 | I think it's a great idea, great business, and a great service.

00:29:34.000 | And what you're offering is in some ways I brainstormed some solutions to some of this stuff.

00:29:41.000 | Because there's a balance between security and I'm not sure what word to use to contrast, but security and practicality.

00:29:51.000 | The more secure you make things, the better in terms of security.

00:29:55.000 | But then we're fallible.

00:29:57.000 | One of the most embarrassing things that's ever happened to me is I lost access to a couple of hard drives that I encrypted.

00:30:05.000 | And I was being hardcore on security.

00:30:10.000 | So I use all these very long format passwords that are randomly generated rather than anything that could be designed.

00:30:19.000 | And I commit them to memory using muscle memory.

00:30:22.000 | And so I use them many, many times.

00:30:25.000 | And so I set it all up, use these hard drives, and I didn't write down the password.

00:30:30.000 | Because, of course, I don't want to have a place that the CIA can come and open my home safe and open it up and find my 15-character random password.

00:30:38.000 | Things like that.

00:30:40.000 | So then I started traveling and I left the passwords with some of my private things in a different country.

00:30:46.000 | Came back and got them months, I don't know, it was a year or two later.

00:30:50.000 | And I had forgotten the password.

00:30:52.000 | And to this day I can't gain access to them.

00:30:54.000 | So thankfully there was nothing mission critical.

00:30:56.000 | But it's pretty galling to know exactly where you have something and you can't get into it because you encrypted everything too much and you didn't leave yourself a backdoor.

00:31:04.000 | So the whole concept of having a backdoor is really valuable.

00:31:08.000 | And when you do security consulting, I teach in the course that Gabriel Custodia and I teach on HackProof, HackProofCourse.com.

00:31:18.000 | One of the things that we talk about is the safety of not having paper documents.

00:31:23.000 | A standard vector of theft has always been the documents in your mailbox.

00:31:30.000 | It's easy for someone to walk out and pull out your social security check from your mailbox and steal it.

00:31:35.000 | It's easy for someone to get your info by just stealing stuff from your mailbox.

00:31:39.000 | And so today most prudent people don't receive documents like that in the mailbox because receiving those on the web is much easier.

00:31:48.000 | But what that means is we don't have the standard file folders full of stuff.

00:31:51.000 | We don't have the standard file folders full of bank records.

00:31:54.000 | And they could be created.

00:31:55.000 | Somebody could print them.

00:31:57.000 | And that would be a good thing because – well, the other aspect of identity theft, the most common form of identity theft is somebody is in your home, a trusted family member or a trusted friend.

00:32:09.000 | Someone is in your home.

00:32:10.000 | They rifle through your papers and they pull open your drawer marked "tax returns" and there is your social security number.

00:32:17.000 | And now they've got what they need to go and steal your identity and open accounts in your name, things like that.

00:32:22.000 | It's a pretty standard thing.

00:32:24.000 | And so you can protect against it by not having that stuff there.

00:32:27.000 | But then if you don't have that stuff there, then when you're dead, no one has your stuff.

00:32:30.000 | And so there's a real balancing act that is probably necessary to figure out exactly how and what to do it.

00:32:39.000 | But having another partner involved cuts out a lot of the risk.

00:32:43.000 | And so that certainly can be a great solution for many.

00:32:46.000 | So the website is GravelTruckPlan.com and Info@GravelTruckPlan.com.

00:32:50.000 | And just real quick, kind of speaking to what you said, the way that we approach the – we call it availability versus security.

00:32:56.000 | So like you said, you don't want to be completely available.

00:33:00.000 | Otherwise, then it's public.

00:33:01.000 | But you also don't want to be infinitely secure because then nobody can access it, including yourself.

00:33:05.000 | And so basically we have kind of like the locking key setup.

00:33:08.000 | So either you can give whoever your cleanup crew is a password, and then we hold an encrypted file or folder for them.

00:33:14.000 | So we can't touch it.

00:33:15.000 | They can't touch it because they don't have it.

00:33:17.000 | And then in the event that something happens, we combine the two together, right?

00:33:20.000 | So you do something along those lines to where – or you give somebody that encrypted flash drive already, and then we maintain the password.

00:33:28.000 | So there's that separation there that makes it so that they can't just open up your crypto wallet.

00:33:32.000 | They can't just do any of those things.

00:33:34.000 | Nor could we, right?

00:33:35.000 | We couldn't do any of those things because we don't have the password.

00:33:37.000 | We don't have the – or the flash drive, right?

00:33:39.000 | We would have one of those missing pieces of information.

00:33:42.000 | So it works out really, really well.

00:33:45.000 | Great.

00:33:46.000 | I'm glad you called in.

00:33:47.000 | Anything else or just – you want to tell us about – say thank you and tell us about that?

00:33:51.000 | Just thank you for the podcast because if just, I don't know, 1% listened to you about that, it could save their families tons of heartache.

00:34:00.000 | I've seen it a bunch.

00:34:01.000 | So I just thought it was great.

00:34:02.000 | Thank you.

00:34:03.000 | Thank you for calling in and for telling us about your business.

00:34:05.000 | You can get more info at GravelTruckPlan.com for anybody who's interested in more details, and I hope that the business continues to be – or I hope that the business is extremely successful.

00:34:15.000 | Adam in Washington, welcome to the show.

00:34:16.000 | How can I serve you today, sir?

00:34:18.000 | Hey, Joshua.

00:34:19.000 | I had a question for you.

00:34:21.000 | I've seen more and more mainstream news sources start to get concerned about microplastics and different chemicals like forever chemicals, these different categories of chemicals that we're getting exposed to it more and more.

00:34:34.000 | I'm curious – and so I've seen these concerns, but never with those have been any sort of action plans on how you could potentially reduce your exposure to these things.

00:34:42.000 | So I'm curious if you share sort of this growing concern around some of these chemicals and if you've kind of thought at all about how to reduce exposure to these sorts of things in a meaningful way.

00:34:52.000 | I do.

00:34:53.000 | I'm not particularly knowledgeable, so I'll tell you my very cursory knowledge and kind of what I do and then refer you to other people for more detail.

00:35:03.000 | First, the health risks, the long-term health risks of microplastics and other endocrine – potential endocrine disruptors, to me that seems persuasive.

00:35:17.000 | I'm not a doctor.

00:35:18.000 | I don't know how to properly vet medical stuff, but it seems persuasive.

00:35:22.000 | Something is dramatically wrong and we are obviously – as a human species, we are basically falling apart and our functions, our bodies are just not working in many ways.

00:35:37.000 | One of the biggest long-term things is our ability to reproduce.

00:35:42.000 | If we continue on our current trajectory, huge swathes of our population will be sterile within a few decades, just completely sterile.

00:35:54.000 | I can't cite off the top of my head some of the data I've read, but I've read shocking predictions of where things could be by 2060.

00:36:03.000 | I don't know, as with anything, predictions are predictions.

00:36:07.000 | It's hard to make predictions, especially about the future, but the point remains that these are significant concerns.

00:36:14.000 | We can trace them in the body's chemicals in addition to other things, and they may have all kinds of factors.

00:36:20.000 | One of the things that I find fascinating about anything health-related is that so many people assume that the body is like a machine where there's a clear connection between this thing, causal A, factor B, and result C.

00:36:40.000 | If we just fix cause A or just fix factor B, then result C is guaranteed, but I don't think the body works that way.

00:36:49.000 | It's an organism, and it can respond various ways, which is why, in so much research, you can have two people who are given a substance, and the substance can cause no reaction whatsoever in person A and an enormously catastrophic reaction in person B.

00:37:06.000 | You say, "Well, we can fix that with large numbers."

00:37:09.000 | Well, maybe.

00:37:10.000 | I would say, of course, large studies and things like that are obviously integral to our understanding of how things work, but to think that there's not individual factors that don't play a role is important.

00:37:25.000 | I have to protect myself with anything that seems doable, and there's always this balance between doable and effective.

00:37:32.000 | To cut to the point, what do I do?

00:37:34.000 | Well, I don't live in the middle of the city.

00:37:35.000 | I don't live by a highway.

00:37:37.000 | There's all kinds of toxins that are released by highways, things like that, everything coming out of the car's tailpipes, coming off the rubber tires.

00:37:47.000 | Highways are enormously polluting, so I don't live near a highway.

00:37:50.000 | I try to live in a place where I get fresh air and have good quality air.

00:37:55.000 | That's fundamental.

00:37:57.000 | Living in a place where you're breathing in smog and bad air is utterly destructive, and so I live in a place with beautiful, clean, fresh air, which is a wonderful thing to have.

00:38:06.000 | Number two, with regard to food, I try my best to get high-quality sources of food.

00:38:12.000 | I purchase most of my food direct from farmers, and I'm a big fan of that from a—what's the word?

00:38:22.000 | Not political, not ideological, but just from a practical standpoint.

00:38:26.000 | Years ago, when I started reading Joel Salatin's books, he convinced me that one of the most impactful things that we could do to increase the quality of food would just be to buy direct from farmers.

00:38:36.000 | So I try to buy as much food as possible direct from farmers.

00:38:40.000 | I try to avoid—this is not directly to microplastics necessarily, but I try to avoid industrial food.

00:38:46.000 | I'm not a hardcore about it.

00:38:50.000 | I try to be flexible.

00:38:52.000 | We eat fast food on occasion.

00:38:54.000 | I kind of think of it as like an 80/20.

00:38:56.000 | If you can get it 80% right, that's probably good enough, and the ease of going to 80% clean is pretty easy.

00:39:04.000 | The ease of going to 100% clean is massively impossible.

00:39:08.000 | So I just try to get to 80% and hope that that is enough to move the needle.

00:39:12.000 | And so the good-quality food sources are important.

00:39:16.000 | Try to filter all the water.

00:39:18.000 | I think there are many great water filtration systems, and some of them are simple.

00:39:24.000 | So filtering water, especially filtering all the tap water, because I don't know what's in the pipes.

00:39:28.000 | I don't know what's in there.

00:39:30.000 | I think filtering your water is a really impactful thing.

00:39:32.000 | We don't use any plastic and try not to drink from any plastic.

00:39:38.000 | My wife caught me the other day drinking from a bottle of water, and she playfully slapped it out of my hands and said, "You can't do that."

00:39:47.000 | And the point is just to avoid plastic.

00:39:51.000 | So we eat on all of our -- we have children, so we use stainless steel cups, things like that, to try to avoid plastic cups or glass, glass or stainless steel.

00:40:01.000 | Obviously, we avoid plastic plates, plastic bowls.

00:40:04.000 | One of the key things with plastic seems to be if they get hot.

00:40:07.000 | That seems like a really impactful thing.

00:40:11.000 | So we don't use plastic water bottles.

00:40:14.000 | We use stainless steel water bottles.

00:40:16.000 | I avoid -- we don't even have any plastic storage containers.

00:40:20.000 | I use all glass storage containers.

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00:40:56.000 | I grew up in a family and you grow up and you see how your mom does stuff

00:41:00.000 | and some things you take and some things you don't take.

00:41:02.000 | My mom always would buy sets of containers.

00:41:05.000 | And so you have the sets of containers that you get.

00:41:07.000 | There's a couple little small ones and big ones and square ones.

00:41:11.000 | It drove me nuts.

00:41:12.000 | So what I do is I buy about 20 big square glass containers.

00:41:18.000 | Not enormous but like big square.

00:41:20.000 | And I don't have any big ones, any huge ones, and no small ones.

00:41:22.000 | And it makes it so easy to do.

00:41:24.000 | And sometimes you just put a spoonful of something in your big square container.

00:41:28.000 | But it works really well in the refrigerator.

00:41:31.000 | It works really phenomenally for storage.

00:41:34.000 | And it makes it just everything is better without having all the variety of containers.

00:41:39.000 | And you're always looking for the right size container.

00:41:41.000 | I guess the other component of that is that I have a commercial refrigerator that I bought

00:41:45.000 | instead of a residential refrigerator.

00:41:47.000 | And with a big family, that's also been wonderful because you always have tons of space.

00:41:51.000 | You just got a big giant square box to stick your stuff into.

00:41:54.000 | And that helps as well.

00:41:56.000 | So I don't use anything plastic to eat or to eat with.

00:41:59.000 | I don't have a microwave.

00:42:01.000 | But if I did have a microwave, I wouldn't microwave anything in plastic.

00:42:04.000 | And what else?

00:42:06.000 | We try to avoid all the scents, sorry, the smelly stuff.

00:42:11.000 | I don't think this is microplastics.

00:42:12.000 | I just think that the smelly stuff is probably not good for you.

00:42:15.000 | So we clean with vinegar and I don't know what else.

00:42:19.000 | But clean with water and vinegar and alcohol.

00:42:22.000 | And just don't buy any of the cleaners and don't buy anything with scent stuff.

00:42:27.000 | We don't buy laundry soap that has scent stuff in it.

00:42:29.000 | My wife makes soap.

00:42:30.000 | She makes it because she likes it.

00:42:32.000 | It's just something fun that she enjoys doing.

00:42:34.000 | But the benefit is you get soap without all the junk in it.

00:42:38.000 | And that's about it.

00:42:40.000 | I stopped wearing all of the deodorant with junk for a long time I did.

00:42:44.000 | I switched to a crystal deodorant.

00:42:46.000 | I don't know if that's better or not, but I figure it can't hurt.

00:42:49.000 | When you look at what's in the deodorant, that stuff can't be good for you.

00:42:53.000 | Your skin is the most absorbing thing possible.

00:42:56.000 | And so just slathering on antiperspirant and all that chemicals,

00:43:00.000 | it can't be good for you in the long run.

00:43:02.000 | And so, again, I guess that makes me all sound pretty crunchy,

00:43:05.000 | and I guess we kind of are pretty crunchy.

00:43:07.000 | But I'm not as weird as a lot of people I know,

00:43:09.000 | but those are the things that have seemed like low-hanging fruit that we have done.

00:43:16.000 | Awesome. Thank you.

00:43:17.000 | Yeah, it's something I've been thinking about.

00:43:18.000 | One more question, if that's okay.

00:43:20.000 | It's completely unrelated.

00:43:22.000 | I'm curious.

00:43:23.000 | My wife and I were actually considering hiring an au pair.

00:43:26.000 | We've got three young kids, all under six, and we both work.

00:43:28.000 | So we're thinking a little bit about that or considering it, I guess.

00:43:31.000 | Nothing like signed or official or anything.

00:43:34.000 | I was curious just if you were to be hiring an au pair,

00:43:37.000 | neither of us speak a second language fluently,

00:43:40.000 | and it's something that there's a huge draw of hiring an au pair,

00:43:44.000 | introducing a second language to yourselves and your family.

00:43:47.000 | I'm curious if you have any tips.

00:43:49.000 | So the au pair that we're talking to and considering is out of the Dominican Republic,

00:43:53.000 | which I'm not particularly familiar with the Dominican Republic.

00:43:57.000 | I know a little bit of Spanish from high school, but it's been a long, long time.

00:44:00.000 | I'm curious any tips approaching a situation like that.

00:44:04.000 | We would have a few months to get ready and prepare,

00:44:06.000 | how you would think about it and any advice you might have

00:44:09.000 | stepping into that sort of arrangement.

00:44:12.000 | Absolutely.

00:44:14.000 | The reason I'm laughing is because I despise with a passion Dominican Spanish.

00:44:20.000 | It is the worst Spanish in the world, in my opinion.

00:44:23.000 | I just anger all of my friends from the DR.

00:44:26.000 | It is the worst Spanish in the world.

00:44:27.000 | When they talk Spanish, they sound like a toothless 70-year-old man who's autistic,

00:44:32.000 | who has a mouthful of food when he talks.

00:44:34.000 | It's worse than Cuban Spanish, and that's saying something.

00:44:38.000 | But all that said, I wouldn't hesitate if you've got a great Dominican woman

00:44:42.000 | from the Dominican Republic who's going to be your au pair,

00:44:46.000 | I wouldn't hesitate a bit to hire her on that basis.

00:44:49.000 | I just can't stand myself Dominican Spanish.

00:44:53.000 | I told this guy one time – I ran into these videos of this guy on YouTube

00:44:58.000 | who was showing off his Spanish accent.

00:45:01.000 | He had chosen to acquire a Dominican accent.

00:45:05.000 | He sounded authentic 100% of the way through.

00:45:10.000 | I sat there saying, "Of all of the accents in the Spanish-speaking world

00:45:14.000 | you could have chosen, you chose this one?"

00:45:17.000 | Sorry for going on, but it's like the English equivalent would be

00:45:25.000 | like a drunk Scotsman who's been in the South and acquired –

00:45:34.000 | it's just so nonstandard.

00:45:38.000 | Whatever. It's fine.

00:45:40.000 | That's why I'm laughing.

00:45:42.000 | I don't think any of that would matter.

00:45:43.000 | So, yes, I do. I think you should hire an au pair.

00:45:45.000 | It's the best way for you to hire your own private personal caregiver

00:45:49.000 | in your home where you can supervise

00:45:51.000 | and you can be sure of very close attention.

00:45:54.000 | If you have the resources for it,

00:45:56.000 | I think it's one of the best ways to engage in child care

00:46:00.000 | so that you and your wife can work and care for your children.

00:46:03.000 | I think it's fantastic.

00:46:05.000 | I think it's obvious that finding a Spanish-speaking au pair

00:46:08.000 | is going to be easier than many other languages.

00:46:11.000 | And so hiring a Spanish-speaking au pair is great

00:46:15.000 | and it will be a very easy, simple way for you

00:46:21.000 | to add another language to the family,

00:46:23.000 | especially if she's there for a period of years

00:46:25.000 | and your children are interacting with her for years.

00:46:27.000 | It's a simple and straightforward thing.

00:46:29.000 | So, yes, yes, yes, all of the above.

00:46:32.000 | And in three years when she leaves,

00:46:34.000 | you hire a Mexican or a Panamanian or someone with a more neutral,

00:46:40.000 | not quite so extreme accent as the Dominicans use.

00:46:44.000 | Thank you.

00:46:45.000 | My pleasure.

00:46:46.000 | All right, we go to Daniel in Texas.

00:46:48.000 | Daniel, welcome to the show.

00:46:49.000 | How can I serve you today, sir?

00:46:51.000 | Hey, Joshua.

00:46:52.000 | How are you doing?

00:46:53.000 | Very well.

00:46:54.000 | Can you hear me?

00:46:55.000 | Yes, sounds good.

00:46:56.000 | Good.

00:46:58.000 | So you get to use your conspiratorial side of the brain for this,

00:47:01.000 | if you want.

00:47:02.000 | Fun.

00:47:04.000 | Yes, indeed.

00:47:06.000 | And you've talked about this, right?

00:47:09.000 | The U.S. is a bit of a disaster.

00:47:11.000 | It is quite a bit of a mess.

00:47:14.000 | And you have obviously gone back and forth on,

00:47:18.000 | is the U.S. going to fall apart tomorrow?

00:47:20.000 | Is the economy going to fall apart?

00:47:22.000 | And the answer is probably no.

00:47:24.000 | But we are also in obviously just a giant cluster of epic proportions,

00:47:32.000 | regardless of whether it's slow, fast, whatever.

00:47:34.000 | Probably slow, right?

00:47:36.000 | Probably in a slow decline in the middle of it.

00:47:39.000 | And who knows how far it goes, right?

00:47:42.000 | So as you and I have recently talked about,

00:47:46.000 | you recommending me buy a business of something I don't hate,

00:47:50.000 | and just running with it and making it better.

00:47:53.000 | I guess my thought is what I'm partially trying to think through is obviously

00:48:00.000 | anything you can produce for the people around you who will buy it is at

00:48:06.000 | minimum a neutral good.

00:48:08.000 | And you could say it's a positive good, right?

00:48:10.000 | I think you'd probably agree with that.

00:48:12.000 | It also, when the world is in the state that it's in,

00:48:18.000 | without getting too crazy about it,

00:48:20.000 | it also seems a little silly to say I'm going to go open a coffee shop,

00:48:25.000 | or I'm going to build decorative patio covers for people,

00:48:30.000 | or things that are more, I guess,

00:48:35.000 | if you want to call them unnecessary.

00:48:37.000 | It seems like we should probably be focusing more on building up good things.

00:48:42.000 | And obviously there's a lot of benefit to beauty.

00:48:45.000 | God created beauty, God created good things.

00:48:47.000 | All of that is important.

00:48:49.000 | But it seems like we potentially are in a place where that seems like the

00:48:54.000 | wrong place to be putting effort and money.

00:48:57.000 | And certainly if you start a outdoor backyard design build firm,

00:49:04.000 | is our economy going to be in the place in five years?

00:49:08.000 | I really support that.

00:49:09.000 | That's certainly another conversation.

00:49:11.000 | But I guess my question is what are your thoughts about if you were going to

00:49:16.000 | build a business, buy a business, whatever now,

00:49:18.000 | like you just do whatever and say, yeah, this seems fine.

00:49:23.000 | I'm going to buy it if the numbers are right.

00:49:25.000 | Or would you say it makes more sense to focus on things that are more

00:49:31.000 | important to rebuild society than the fun things, if that makes sense?

00:49:36.000 | Yeah.

00:49:38.000 | For years, I haven't read it much over the last few years,

00:49:44.000 | but for years I would read Survival Blog,

00:49:47.000 | survivalblog.com by James Wesley Rawls.

00:49:50.000 | And James has been on the show here at Radical Personal Finance several

00:49:54.000 | times, been years since I spoke to him.

00:49:55.000 | But I would read his blog and one of the things that he talked about on the

00:49:59.000 | blog is he would talk about businesses and being prepared for the end of the

00:50:03.000 | world as we know it and what that looks like.

00:50:05.000 | And when I would read his commentary,

00:50:09.000 | one of the things that I have always found at the time and still find

00:50:14.000 | astonishing is that so much of it was based on this idea of the lights going

00:50:20.000 | out.

00:50:21.000 | And so he would talk about the importance of the basics.

00:50:24.000 | He would talk about the importance of being able to do leather working or

00:50:29.000 | having a foot-operated sewing machine and having hand tools and things like

00:50:34.000 | that.

00:50:35.000 | And to me,

00:50:36.000 | it seems obviously intelligent to have backups in case the electricity goes

00:50:40.000 | out because the electricity goes out.

00:50:42.000 | But it seems crazy to me to think that the electricity would go out for an

00:50:46.000 | extended period of time.

00:50:48.000 | And that would be the distinction I would make.

00:50:52.000 | Is the electricity going to go out for an extended period of time or is it

00:50:56.000 | going to go out for a temporary amount of time?

00:50:59.000 | And preparing for a temporary amount of time seems smart.

00:51:02.000 | To me,

00:51:03.000 | preparing that the electricity is going to be off for the rest of your life

00:51:06.000 | seems crazy.

00:51:07.000 | So using that as an analogy,

00:51:10.000 | I think that I've become convinced that predicting crisis on the basis of

00:51:16.000 | prepper novels is a bad way to predict crisis.

00:51:20.000 | I enjoy prepper novels.

00:51:21.000 | I find them fun and interesting.

00:51:23.000 | And I like to read Lights Out and I love Rawls' series of novels.

00:51:28.000 | I enjoy them.

00:51:30.000 | But I realized,

00:51:32.000 | especially starting about five years ago when I started to get so involved in

00:51:36.000 | Venezuela and especially with COVID,

00:51:39.000 | I realized how unlikely a lot of those scenarios are in terms of the

00:51:46.000 | suddenness of catastrophe and also the permanence of catastrophe and what

00:51:52.000 | people value with it.

00:51:54.000 | I know it sounds like I'm giving you a roundabout answer.

00:51:56.000 | I'm driving at something.

00:51:57.000 | It'll be obvious in a moment.

00:51:58.000 | The first thing is with regard to the suddenness,

00:52:00.000 | COVID convinced me that I had a completely flawed view of suddenness.

00:52:06.000 | And I expected when I would read the first chapter of Patriots,

00:52:10.000 | where all of a sudden there's a collapse and it's obvious as there's a

00:52:13.000 | collapse,

00:52:14.000 | there's a collapse on and everybody jumps in their car and gets to their

00:52:17.000 | bug out location,

00:52:18.000 | then I realized that that whole mentality had warped my thinking.

00:52:24.000 | And I watched the collapse related to coronavirus and I realized that real

00:52:29.000 | world collapses are so slow oftentimes that you aren't ever sure if it's

00:52:34.000 | actually a collapse or not until it's too late.

00:52:37.000 | And this affected even how I taught about preparedness,

00:52:42.000 | teach about preparedness.

00:52:44.000 | And I realized that the only answer is going to be to build a plan where you

00:52:48.000 | can – if you have to leave,

00:52:50.000 | you need to be able to leave early when it's not obvious.

00:52:53.000 | Otherwise, your normalcy bias is going to be too high.

00:52:56.000 | And then the other thing was related to Venezuela about the severity of the

00:52:59.000 | collapse and what people value.

00:53:01.000 | The best thing you can do is go online and start searching for YouTubers that

00:53:08.000 | are based in Venezuela.

00:53:10.000 | Venezuela has had, over the last decade,

00:53:12.000 | the most extreme collapse of any country in the world,

00:53:18.000 | any large modern country.

00:53:20.000 | They've had over 1 million percent hyperinflation in a single year's period

00:53:24.000 | of time.

00:53:25.000 | And that has continued for all kinds of time.

00:53:28.000 | It's the country that went from the absolute heights to the absolute depths.

00:53:32.000 | And you can find all of this documented on YouTube,

00:53:35.000 | all of it available with all kinds of YouTubers there for you.

00:53:38.000 | It's not going to be in Spanish, but it's all there.

00:53:40.000 | You can see it.

00:53:41.000 | You can tour it.

00:53:42.000 | And what is shocking about it is none of it looks like returning to an

00:53:46.000 | agrarian society in any way, shape, or form.

00:53:50.000 | On the contrary, in the crisis, it's even more important to be up-to-date

00:53:57.000 | with technology and the stuff that people want.

00:54:01.000 | So, for example, Venezuela has had a terrible power situation where the power

00:54:06.000 | has been off.

00:54:07.000 | They've destroyed their energy fields.

00:54:09.000 | They completely have no ability to keep the lights on.

00:54:12.000 | So they keep the lights on for their constant rolling brownouts.

00:54:17.000 | And, again, it depends on the region.

00:54:19.000 | But throughout the country for years they've had constant rolling brownouts.

00:54:22.000 | But they're just as technologically dependent as anything else.

00:54:26.000 | And so if you're talking with a Venezuelan,

00:54:28.000 | you'll get a call at 3 o'clock in the morning because all of a sudden the power

00:54:31.000 | just came on, and now all the cell phone towers are up,

00:54:34.000 | and we've got to connect with everybody.

00:54:36.000 | And so the cell phone is just as important,

00:54:38.000 | even though the power is basically off.

00:54:40.000 | Nobody goes back to writing letters.

00:54:42.000 | It's just that the dependency on the cell phone is even more.

00:54:46.000 | If you go to Caracas and you look around in Caracas,

00:54:50.000 | what you find is that the rich are living just as high on the hog as they ever did.

00:54:54.000 | And so the people around are without money, but the rich still have money.

00:54:59.000 | And you go into the supermarkets, into the fancy supermarkets in Caracas,

00:55:03.000 | and you find that it's just astonishing the stuff that's available.

00:55:07.000 | So I guess the lessons that I've drawn from that,

00:55:10.000 | and the other thing I was going to push on is what do people want.

00:55:13.000 | Well, certainly people want food, and they need food,

00:55:16.000 | but their desire for other things doesn't necessarily change all that much.

00:55:21.000 | The luxuries are still just as valuable, and people want the luxuries,

00:55:25.000 | and they'll do anything to get the luxuries.

00:55:27.000 | So I think the mental model, based upon--

00:55:30.000 | those are my experiences that I've observed and kind of thought about.

00:55:33.000 | I think the mental model that a crisis is going to come on,

00:55:37.000 | and we're all going to go back to a single-bottom plow being pulled by Betsy

00:55:42.000 | is just a flawed model on basically every level.

00:55:47.000 | We're not going back.

00:55:48.000 | Back to the technology for a moment.

00:55:50.000 | The pathway for Venezuelans out of poverty has usually been

00:55:54.000 | at the other end of an Internet connection,

00:55:56.000 | and the most connected and the most technologically capable Venezuelans

00:56:00.000 | have been able to create a pathway for themselves out of poverty

00:56:05.000 | because they could access the global market.

00:56:08.000 | So what I notice is that even in times of crisis, the rich do fine.

00:56:13.000 | And so I don't think it's wrong to have a business that's serving a luxury product.

00:56:18.000 | On the contrary, it's probably better to have that even in a crisis,

00:56:22.000 | in a collapse, than it is to have a basic service need

00:56:29.000 | because, yes, people need the basic service need,

00:56:32.000 | but the price pressure is going to be intense in the basic services

00:56:36.000 | as compared to the luxury services.

00:56:38.000 | And the rich people, they still have money.

00:56:40.000 | They're rich. They have money.

00:56:42.000 | And a 20% change in a billionaire's net worth

00:56:46.000 | doesn't cause him to change any of his decisions on a daily basis,

00:56:49.000 | just as a 20% change in a billionaire's net worth.

00:56:52.000 | A 20% change in a day laborer's workability destroys everything.

00:56:59.000 | So I don't think that model--

00:57:01.000 | I can't find much evidence at all of the idea of collapse

00:57:06.000 | and turning to basic growing food to give to people being--

00:57:12.000 | I can't find an analog for that in the modern world.

00:57:15.000 | I'm willing to believe that it could be the case.

00:57:18.000 | Immediate global nuclear war and half the world's population is gone.

00:57:24.000 | Do we all go back to the Stone Age? Sure.

00:57:26.000 | But I can't find any--

00:57:28.000 | all of the collapses I've studied of the modern day,

00:57:30.000 | I can't find that to be the case.

00:57:34.000 | Yeah. Yeah.

00:57:37.000 | And I guess if--

00:57:39.000 | I'm going to go a slightly different direction with this.

00:57:41.000 | I'd probably explain it wrong.

00:57:43.000 | I'm not so much worried about the dramatic collapse,

00:57:47.000 | the power grid turns off, the internet goes down, whatever.

00:57:51.000 | I guess I'm more thinking--

00:57:56.000 | if everything is per se on the table from a choices perspective, right?

00:58:02.000 | Like I can choose any business to go into.

00:58:05.000 | What is the one with our society in the place that it is

00:58:10.000 | that does the most for its good, if that makes sense?

00:58:15.000 | Like what is the thing that will be most beneficial to help--

00:58:22.000 | I say rebuild society, not from the--

00:58:24.000 | we went back to the Stone Age.

00:58:26.000 | Now I need to be a blacksmith so that I can make hand tools, right?

00:58:29.000 | Right.

00:58:30.000 | But the more of the philosophical perspective of we need--

00:58:36.000 | whether you're post-millennial, pre-millennial, or whatever.

00:58:39.000 | Right.

00:58:40.000 | What is the--

00:58:44.000 | what maybe at least is the thought process,

00:58:46.000 | or maybe there should be no thought process,

00:58:48.000 | of how could I best serve the community to help bring it back to a place

00:58:55.000 | that is glorifying to God and makes America a prosperous place again.

00:59:01.000 | Does that make sense?

00:59:02.000 | Yeah, that's a totally different question than the one I answered.

00:59:04.000 | I'm trying to think through.

00:59:05.000 | Yeah, really interesting.

00:59:06.000 | Sorry.

00:59:07.000 | No, it's fine.

00:59:08.000 | So I'll give two answers.

00:59:09.000 | The first one, in the first part of what you just said,

00:59:11.000 | my instinct when what I thought you were going was to talk about

00:59:16.000 | the stability of jobs being protected from artificial intelligence

00:59:20.000 | versus those not.

00:59:21.000 | So I think that's probably a much more pressing concern.

00:59:25.000 | Artificial intelligence is probably a much more pressing concern

00:59:28.000 | than collapse of society type of thing.

00:59:33.000 | Because somebody who changes oil, has an oil change business on a car,

00:59:38.000 | is probably much better protected, or a plumber or electrician

00:59:42.000 | is better protected in today's world than somebody who does knowledge work

00:59:46.000 | in terms of the invasion by the computers.

00:59:49.000 | But that's kind of a different perspective than what you're going.

00:59:52.000 | So I'm not sure that -- I now understand kind of what you're pressing at,

00:59:56.000 | and I'm not sure that I agree with the premise of the practical being

01:00:01.000 | more important than the beautiful or the philosophic.

01:00:04.000 | I think back to when we go on vacation in Europe, all of us,

01:00:08.000 | what do we want to do?

01:00:09.000 | We want to go look at the cathedrals.

01:00:11.000 | And if you go back and try to think about the cathedrals,

01:00:14.000 | what do they represent?

01:00:15.000 | They represent an outward religious expression

01:00:19.000 | that came from a very poor society of laborers.

01:00:22.000 | And the beautiful was the focus of their society.

01:00:26.000 | The town is oriented around the cathedral.

01:00:30.000 | And they worked on the cathedral for 700 years

01:00:33.000 | while the people lived in very basic poverty,

01:00:36.000 | and they contributed their treasure and their toil,

01:00:38.000 | all of their effort and their labor to building this monument

01:00:42.000 | to their love of God, that you walk in a Gothic cathedral

01:00:45.000 | and instantly you're transported into the heavens.

01:00:47.000 | Your eyes go up and you're moved.

01:00:49.000 | You're spiritually moved on a very deep level.

01:00:52.000 | And so what is needed if a society is in crisis?

01:00:56.000 | I would not say that the way to rescue a society

01:00:59.000 | is to provide practical services to the society.

01:01:03.000 | I would say the way to rescue a society

01:01:05.000 | is to draw its attention back to the good and the beautiful,

01:01:07.000 | the virtuous and the noble,

01:01:09.000 | and to raise the heart of man out of the mud

01:01:11.000 | from thinking that he's a beast in the mud

01:01:13.000 | to recognizing that he's a spiritual burden.

01:01:16.000 | And so I think that it's a lack of spiritual inspiration

01:01:20.000 | and leadership that often causes a society

01:01:23.000 | to decline into animalistic behavior,

01:01:26.000 | which is what creates the nightmare

01:01:28.000 | that you can see around us in many places where we live.

01:01:32.000 | And yet the answer to that is not to engage in basic labor

01:01:37.000 | so that man gets rich.

01:01:38.000 | If man gets rich but has an uninspired soul,

01:01:42.000 | all he turns into is a hedonistic monster

01:01:45.000 | who abuses and enslaves other people.

01:01:47.000 | But if you can draw his attention to his higher nature

01:01:51.000 | and you can preach about the good and the beautiful

01:01:54.000 | and you can create art and you can draw him into that,

01:01:57.000 | and then combining that with technology,

01:02:00.000 | to me, those are the fundamental foundations.

01:02:02.000 | That's why so much modern scientific research--

01:02:08.000 | Christians are responsible for the scientific revolution

01:02:12.000 | in a philosophic way.

01:02:15.000 | Now, that scientific revolution has been continued

01:02:18.000 | by many people of many religions and non-religions,

01:02:21.000 | but the original inspiration of the scientific revolution

01:02:25.000 | that transformed our world was a religious thing.

01:02:30.000 | So I haven't thought deeply about this question,

01:02:32.000 | and I'm going to, and I'd love to hear you answer

01:02:35.000 | your own question and tell me what you think,

01:02:37.000 | but I don't buy the premise

01:02:39.000 | that we should turn to practicality.

01:02:42.000 | I don't buy that.

01:02:43.000 | I think that there's an even more important reason

01:02:48.000 | for us to raise the mind, the soul,

01:02:52.000 | and I'm not denying scientific advancement.

01:02:56.000 | I believe that's fundamental.

01:02:57.000 | Technological advancement, good engineering,

01:02:59.000 | good practical and theoretical research needs to be done,

01:03:05.000 | but I am saying that I'd rather we spend more time

01:03:08.000 | on the humanities and philosophy and religion

01:03:11.000 | rather than just immediately going to something practical.

01:03:17.000 | How would you answer your own question?

01:03:19.000 | What do you think?

01:03:22.000 | I don't have a clean answer.

01:03:23.000 | That's why I wanted to ask.

01:03:25.000 | I do think we have, I mean, I agree with you about beauty.

01:03:32.000 | I think we have lost a theology of beauty,

01:03:38.000 | and you could maybe point to lots of reasons

01:03:40.000 | why that's happened, specifically from the Christian side

01:03:45.000 | and having our culture largely being a Christian-based culture

01:03:51.000 | that's largely affected it.

01:03:53.000 | We are obviously moving more secular,

01:03:55.000 | but the reality is still a lot of that

01:03:57.000 | or certainly has been fed by the church, right?

01:04:01.000 | And I think we maybe say lots of reasons why

01:04:04.000 | we don't have to get into them.

01:04:05.000 | I think we've lost a theology of beauty

01:04:08.000 | and doing things for the sake of Christ.

01:04:11.000 | I've said this if my pastor came to the church

01:04:14.000 | at our next members meeting and said,

01:04:16.000 | "You know what, guys?

01:04:17.000 | We need to raise $100 million,

01:04:19.000 | and we're going to take the next 70 years

01:04:22.000 | to build a cathedral."

01:04:23.000 | Everyone would think he was crazy.

01:04:28.000 | And yet that is like that's what the cathedral builders did.

01:04:32.000 | Many of those people who started them

01:04:34.000 | did not see them finished.

01:04:38.000 | And now we have modern technology and blah, blah, blah.

01:04:40.000 | So timelines may be a little different.

01:04:42.000 | But I do think there is something inherently good in beauty.

01:04:48.000 | God created beauty.

01:04:51.000 | That's important.

01:04:53.000 | Obviously, right?

01:04:54.000 | As men, we value beauty in our wives.

01:04:56.000 | Why did God create that?

01:04:57.000 | Why did God create sunsets?

01:04:59.000 | Why did God create flowers?

01:05:00.000 | He created all of those things and said they were good.

01:05:03.000 | So that's a good thing.

01:05:07.000 | And as I've been thinking about this, especially lately,

01:05:09.000 | I've also thought about, okay, it doesn't make sense

01:05:12.000 | that I just need to go start a plumbing business.

01:05:15.000 | Well, plumbing isn't inherently better than anything else.

01:05:18.000 | Plumbing is important.

01:05:19.000 | But what does that do for society

01:05:23.000 | any more than starting something else?

01:05:26.000 | So I don't have a clean answer for it.

01:05:28.000 | It feels like there's something in the middle

01:05:31.000 | between those things where we are --

01:05:35.000 | and maybe it's partially being intentional

01:05:38.000 | and you're saying we're intentionally doing this

01:05:40.000 | for the glory of God, to praise his name

01:05:47.000 | and to bring people to know Jesus

01:05:49.000 | and to do things excellently.

01:05:50.000 | And we want to point people to that.

01:05:52.000 | Maybe that's part of it.

01:05:53.000 | And we want to change people's lives.

01:05:55.000 | I did recently hear a podcast with a guy

01:05:58.000 | who he owns an electrical transformer business.

01:06:02.000 | And the title of the podcast episode,

01:06:04.000 | which I thought was great,

01:06:05.000 | was "Don't Waste Your Life Building a Small Business."

01:06:07.000 | And his point was that the church --

01:06:09.000 | so often when it does talk about entrepreneurship,

01:06:12.000 | it's like, "Go start a landscaping business.

01:06:14.000 | There'll be a plot."

01:06:15.000 | Like, these really kind of small cottage things,

01:06:18.000 | which are good, and he said they're good.

01:06:19.000 | But it's like, "I'm going to spend my time doing this."

01:06:22.000 | He's like, "I want to build a company

01:06:24.000 | that can employ 1,000 men

01:06:26.000 | and pay them wages to take care of their family.

01:06:30.000 | Like, if I'm going to put the effort into this,

01:06:32.000 | let me go big."

01:06:33.000 | And I thought that was really good.

01:06:35.000 | That's been part of my feelings of ways,

01:06:38.000 | is how do you navigate all of that?

01:06:42.000 | And maybe part of that is it's different things

01:06:44.000 | for different people.

01:06:45.000 | And some people are called to just go be

01:06:47.000 | the super faithful plumber,

01:06:49.000 | and some people are called to be --

01:06:52.000 | do the bigger thing.

01:06:53.000 | I'm not sure.

01:06:54.000 | -Yeah, I agree.

01:06:55.000 | -It's not a satisfactory answer.

01:06:57.000 | -No, I'm glad that you can broach the subject,

01:07:00.000 | and I'm going to think more about it in days to come,

01:07:02.000 | and I look forward to talking about it more.

01:07:04.000 | To your comment about if your pastor said,

01:07:07.000 | "Hey, this is what we're going to do,"

01:07:09.000 | I think that this is one of the areas

01:07:11.000 | where all of our Catholic and Orthodox friends

01:07:15.000 | are shaking their fists saying,

01:07:17.000 | "Yes, yes, yes, we told you this."

01:07:20.000 | And I think that this is something

01:07:22.000 | where the world of Protestantism

01:07:25.000 | really, very broadly,

01:07:28.000 | doesn't have to be this way,

01:07:30.000 | but I think this is something

01:07:31.000 | that the world of Protestantism has to deal with.

01:07:36.000 | There are Protestant traditions

01:07:37.000 | that build beautiful cathedrals,

01:07:38.000 | but I myself have walked past

01:07:43.000 | the big giant church building when I was younger

01:07:45.000 | and shaken my fist at it and said,

01:07:47.000 | "What a giant waste.

01:07:48.000 | This building could be sold

01:07:49.000 | and the money given to the poor,

01:07:50.000 | and wouldn't that be better?"

01:07:52.000 | And that's kind of at the core

01:07:54.000 | of our fundamental ethos.

01:07:57.000 | And quite literally last week,

01:07:59.000 | I was talking with a friend of mine.

01:08:00.000 | We'd gone to a church meeting,

01:08:02.000 | and I was thinking about the whole structure

01:08:06.000 | of kind of a standard Protestant church meeting,

01:08:10.000 | how in a large church, how it goes.

01:08:13.000 | And I was reflecting on this and saying,

01:08:15.000 | "Basically, all this is is a Latin mass,

01:08:20.000 | or sorry, a mass, a Catholic mass,

01:08:23.000 | but stripped of all of the symbolism,

01:08:25.000 | stripped of all of the symbolism,

01:08:28.000 | stripped of all of the sacramental

01:08:31.000 | religious significance,

01:08:33.000 | stripped of all the decorations."

01:08:35.000 | And basically what we did was took

01:08:39.000 | a standard priestly mass,

01:08:41.000 | stuck it into a gray building

01:08:42.000 | with a guy on a stage, and that's it.

01:08:46.000 | And why does this ring so hollow?

01:08:49.000 | What is missing?

01:08:51.000 | And those mystical elements are taken out.

01:08:55.000 | Now, generally, I would just assume,

01:08:59.000 | turn the chairs in a circle

01:09:01.000 | and take the man off the stage

01:09:02.000 | and have 10 people stand up

01:09:04.000 | and talk during the church meeting,

01:09:06.000 | and that's what I would do

01:09:07.000 | to try to encourage the New Testament

01:09:10.000 | simplicity of gathering.

01:09:12.000 | And I think that, but I realize

01:09:15.000 | that's basically what much

01:09:17.000 | of Protestantism has done,

01:09:19.000 | is it's taken the form of the old,

01:09:20.000 | but stripped the beauty out of it.

01:09:22.000 | And that's kind of what you're talking about.

01:09:25.000 | So you go and you look at,

01:09:26.000 | I don't know, the Crystal Cathedral

01:09:28.000 | or some big megachurch building in your town,

01:09:30.000 | and the appeal is still

01:09:34.000 | to create beauty and excellence,

01:09:36.000 | and we're going to have

01:09:37.000 | a million-dollar music program

01:09:38.000 | because we want to honor God

01:09:39.000 | with our excellent work.

01:09:41.000 | Well, that's no different

01:09:42.000 | than the cathedral builders were doing.

01:09:44.000 | They were trying to honor God

01:09:45.000 | with their excellent work.

01:09:46.000 | And which of these is more likely

01:09:47.000 | to be around in 100 years?

01:09:49.000 | People are still going to be going

01:09:50.000 | to Strasbourg, France,

01:09:52.000 | to view the cathedral there in 100 years.

01:09:54.000 | Nobody's going to be coming

01:09:55.000 | to the big tin megachurch building

01:09:58.000 | to hear the band play in 100 years.

01:10:00.000 | And so we need to wrestle with it

01:10:02.000 | theologically and think about it,

01:10:04.000 | because I myself have been wrongly critical

01:10:08.000 | of those things in the past,

01:10:10.000 | and we see kind of the cheap veneer

01:10:12.000 | as it has fallen,

01:10:14.000 | that maybe our forebears had wisdom

01:10:16.000 | that we discarded without properly appreciating.

01:10:22.000 | Yeah, I think that's true.

01:10:23.000 | And I think part of it, too,

01:10:24.000 | as I thought back on giant church buildings

01:10:26.000 | and stuff as of late,

01:10:28.000 | I think even when they go for beauty,

01:10:30.000 | so often it's still poor-quality materials

01:10:34.000 | and poor-quality craftsmanship,

01:10:36.000 | and that building will not be around

01:10:38.000 | in 150 years, much less 1,000 years,

01:10:41.000 | like some of these cathedrals

01:10:42.000 | have existed for hundreds of years.

01:10:45.000 | They're putting the money into it,

01:10:47.000 | but they're not actually putting

01:10:48.000 | the craftsmanship to the high level

01:10:51.000 | behind it to make that happen.

01:10:53.000 | Yeah.

01:10:54.000 | One of my favorite things,

01:10:56.000 | what inspired me,

01:10:57.000 | what I've gotten into,

01:10:58.000 | so I've gotten super into urban design.

01:11:00.000 | How can we build cities in a way

01:11:03.000 | that is conducive to the positive life

01:11:07.000 | of the people?

01:11:08.000 | I've come to think that that would be...

01:11:11.000 | I've got a podcast outline written,

01:11:17.000 | and my title is something like

01:11:19.000 | "Five Industries I'd Love to See

01:11:21.000 | "Conservatives Dominate."

01:11:23.000 | But the problem is it doesn't feel...

01:11:25.000 | It feels slightly outside of my guidelines

01:11:27.000 | of radical personal finance,

01:11:28.000 | which is why I haven't done it.

01:11:29.000 | But one of the things that I've observed

01:11:31.000 | is I've gotten super annoyed

01:11:33.000 | at how people that would tend

01:11:34.000 | to align with me politically

01:11:37.000 | don't seem to...

01:11:39.000 | We tend to...

01:11:40.000 | And I'll go ahead and tell you the story,

01:11:42.000 | how I came to this realization.

01:11:44.000 | But we tend to discard things

01:11:45.000 | without thinking about them.

01:11:47.000 | I had a realization a number of years ago.

01:11:48.000 | I made a statement.

01:11:49.000 | I've probably made it here on a podcast,

01:11:50.000 | but I made a statement to someone

01:11:52.000 | that if I were elected president,

01:11:53.000 | the first thing I'd do would be to quit.

01:11:55.000 | And if I was forced to serve,

01:11:57.000 | the first thing I would do

01:11:58.000 | would be to start cutting laws

01:12:00.000 | and getting this off the books

01:12:01.000 | and that off the books.

01:12:03.000 | And when I was younger,

01:12:04.000 | that was basically my political ethic,

01:12:06.000 | was government's too big.

01:12:07.000 | We need less government.

01:12:09.000 | And if all we could do

01:12:10.000 | is just get less government,

01:12:11.000 | then we'd be living in a libertarian utopia.

01:12:13.000 | And that was great.

01:12:14.000 | So then I thought about getting into politics

01:12:16.000 | just as a thought experiment.

01:12:18.000 | And I thought, all right,

01:12:19.000 | what if I were mayor?

01:12:20.000 | And I realized that there's nothing

01:12:22.000 | at all attractive.

01:12:23.000 | Imagine you elect a local mayor

01:12:25.000 | and the mayor says,

01:12:26.000 | "Well, my job is to diminish

01:12:27.000 | the size of government."

01:12:28.000 | Okay, well, certainly.

01:12:29.000 | I'm sure there's some bad laws

01:12:30.000 | on the books in every town

01:12:31.000 | that need to go away.

01:12:32.000 | But that's just not politically attractive

01:12:35.000 | in the way that I thought it would be

01:12:36.000 | if I were president

01:12:37.000 | and my goal was to cut

01:12:39.000 | the size of government.

01:12:40.000 | Probably it was built by,

01:12:42.000 | one of my favorite scenes in a book

01:12:44.000 | was when I was in high school,

01:12:45.000 | I read "Executive Orders" by Tom Clancy.

01:12:47.000 | And the hero, Jack Ryan,

01:12:49.000 | is whisked into office

01:12:52.000 | completely unexpectedly.

01:12:54.000 | He was sixth in line

01:12:55.000 | and then there's a massive tragedy

01:12:57.000 | and he goes from sixth in line

01:12:59.000 | for the presidency

01:13:00.000 | to being president overnight.

01:13:01.000 | And it's like your archetypal hero

01:13:04.000 | of a president,

01:13:05.000 | someone who never wanted to be president,

01:13:07.000 | never ever would have run for election,

01:13:09.000 | is kind of a normal,

01:13:11.000 | just a normal guy,

01:13:12.000 | an intelligent guy,

01:13:13.000 | kind of a centrist,

01:13:14.000 | not super extreme,

01:13:15.000 | very pragmatic.

01:13:16.000 | And all of a sudden,

01:13:17.000 | he's given the reins of power.

01:13:19.000 | So he says, "Well, I'm here.

01:13:20.000 | I got to use it."

01:13:21.000 | And so there's all these dramatic scenes

01:13:23.000 | in the book that lay out

01:13:25.000 | how he starts making government better.

01:13:27.000 | So back to becoming mayor,

01:13:29.000 | what I realized is that

01:13:31.000 | I wouldn't have a clue

01:13:33.000 | how to even create a campaign speech

01:13:35.000 | to run for mayor.

01:13:36.000 | I don't have a clue for a campaign speech

01:13:38.000 | to run for state representative

01:13:39.000 | because I don't have any philosophy

01:13:42.000 | of state politics or local politics.

01:13:44.000 | My entire philosophic, political mind

01:13:48.000 | is built upon presidential elections

01:13:50.000 | in the United States.

01:13:51.000 | I had nothing to offer.

01:13:53.000 | So I spent a lot of time thinking about it.

01:13:55.000 | And I realized that

01:13:57.000 | there's a lot of truth

01:13:59.000 | in the fact that

01:14:00.000 | political ideology is different

01:14:02.000 | at different levels.

01:14:04.000 | And the saying that

01:14:06.000 | "Internationally, I'm an anarchist.

01:14:10.000 | And on a national level,

01:14:11.000 | I'm a libertarian.

01:14:12.000 | On a state level,

01:14:13.000 | I'm a Republican.

01:14:14.000 | And on a city level,

01:14:18.000 | I'm a Democrat.

01:14:19.000 | And in my family,

01:14:20.000 | I'm a communist."

01:14:21.000 | There's truth in that

01:14:22.000 | because that's kind of how I feel.

01:14:24.000 | I don't like...

01:14:27.000 | If you go to Republican towns

01:14:29.000 | across the United States

01:14:30.000 | where it's just all Republicans,

01:14:31.000 | they're just no fun.

01:14:32.000 | They're terrible towns.

01:14:33.000 | They're terrible cities.

01:14:34.000 | You don't enjoy being in them.

01:14:35.000 | They're ugly.

01:14:36.000 | And it's a four-lane highway

01:14:38.000 | and a bunch of fast food restaurants

01:14:39.000 | and you're done.

01:14:40.000 | Go to a Democrat,

01:14:42.000 | a 90% blue community,

01:14:44.000 | and you've got beautiful streets

01:14:46.000 | and you've got great buildings

01:14:48.000 | and wonderful coffee shops.

01:14:49.000 | And it's just a pleasant experience.

01:14:50.000 | It's way more fun

01:14:52.000 | to live in a community that is...

01:14:55.000 | A city that is dominated by Democrats

01:14:57.000 | is, I would argue,

01:14:59.000 | objectively better.

01:15:00.000 | It's an objectively better experience.

01:15:03.000 | It's more beautiful.

01:15:04.000 | Everything is taken care of, etc.

01:15:06.000 | But then...

01:15:07.000 | So as I've been thinking about it,

01:15:09.000 | I say, "Wait a second.

01:15:10.000 | Why don't Republicans

01:15:12.000 | or conservatives...

01:15:13.000 | I don't even know what to call myself anymore.

01:15:14.000 | But why don't Republicans

01:15:15.000 | or conservatives do this?

01:15:16.000 | I don't see any fundamental reason

01:15:18.000 | in conservative ideology,

01:15:20.000 | whatever that is,

01:15:21.000 | why we can't build beautiful towns.

01:15:24.000 | I think most people want

01:15:25.000 | to live in a beautiful town.

01:15:26.000 | So why don't we do that?"

01:15:29.000 | And so things like town planning

01:15:31.000 | and good urbanism,

01:15:33.000 | I've now come to say,

01:15:35.000 | this is something that would solve it.

01:15:37.000 | And I believe that

01:15:38.000 | that's fundamentally actually

01:15:39.000 | a conservative value.

01:15:40.000 | Bad urbanism is leading

01:15:42.000 | to fractured communities

01:15:43.000 | and fractured families.

01:15:45.000 | Everything from living in the suburbs

01:15:46.000 | and children being isolated

01:15:47.000 | in their houses

01:15:48.000 | and not knowing your neighbors

01:15:49.000 | and having just miles of cars.

01:15:51.000 | And it's all a scam anyway.

01:15:53.000 | Meaning that the road mafia,

01:15:56.000 | the conservatives love to say,

01:15:58.000 | "We're not going to build a train

01:15:59.000 | because it costs too much."

01:16:00.000 | And they don't ever bother

01:16:01.000 | to calculate how much

01:16:02.000 | the highways cost to maintain.

01:16:04.000 | And so it's all fake.

01:16:06.000 | So things like that matter.

01:16:08.000 | So to the point I was driving at,

01:16:09.000 | some of my favorite people

01:16:11.000 | are those who build houses.

01:16:13.000 | And I find them on social media.

01:16:15.000 | And there's a bunch of guys

01:16:16.000 | that live in normal places.

01:16:17.000 | And what they do is they build,

01:16:19.000 | you know, thousand-year houses

01:16:21.000 | made out of brick,

01:16:22.000 | all of the traditional methods

01:16:24.000 | for rich people to have.

01:16:25.000 | And 10 years ago, 15 years ago,

01:16:28.000 | I never would have conceived

01:16:29.000 | of the idea of that.

01:16:30.000 | I would see the single wide,

01:16:32.000 | you know, mobile home

01:16:33.000 | as the most beautiful thing

01:16:34.000 | because that provides housing

01:16:35.000 | for the most people.

01:16:36.000 | Today I look at it and I say,

01:16:38.000 | "What an amazing thing

01:16:40.000 | that that guy is doing."

01:16:41.000 | And all he's doing

01:16:42.000 | is building beautiful brick houses

01:16:44.000 | that are designed to last.

01:16:46.000 | I want more of that.

01:16:47.000 | And I want to be involved.

01:16:48.000 | Whatever that is,

01:16:49.000 | I want more of it.

01:16:50.000 | I want to provide housing

01:16:51.000 | and be grateful

01:16:52.000 | about the beautiful innovations

01:16:54.000 | of the mobile home

01:16:55.000 | for keeping poor people

01:16:56.000 | off the streets.

01:16:57.000 | I love that.

01:16:58.000 | I don't want to go live in a sawed house.

01:16:59.000 | But I also want to encourage

01:17:00.000 | rich people to not--

01:17:02.000 | I want to encourage rich people

01:17:04.000 | to spend money on craftsmanship

01:17:06.000 | and building big, expensive houses

01:17:08.000 | with things that will last.

01:17:10.000 | And I want them to build cathedrals

01:17:11.000 | and build businesses and endure

01:17:13.000 | because those are good uses of money.

01:17:15.000 | And I've been trying to get at that

01:17:16.000 | a little bit in recent podcasts,

01:17:17.000 | even the one--

01:17:18.000 | Yeah.

01:17:19.000 | --most recent one,

01:17:20.000 | to say a decade ago,

01:17:22.000 | I didn't get it.

01:17:23.000 | I didn't understand it.

01:17:24.000 | Today, guys like you and I

01:17:26.000 | were looking at it

01:17:27.000 | and I think and understanding it

01:17:28.000 | that we want to build

01:17:31.000 | and pass along wealth

01:17:32.000 | for the next generation.

01:17:34.000 | And when you just have

01:17:35.000 | cheap financial wealth,

01:17:37.000 | it doesn't last.

01:17:38.000 | One final thing,

01:17:40.000 | and then I'll let you respond

01:17:41.000 | and wrap us up.

01:17:42.000 | But I thought about this a lot

01:17:44.000 | in the context of inheritance

01:17:49.000 | on two dimensions.

01:17:51.000 | And dimension number one

01:17:53.000 | is that of family inheritance.

01:17:55.000 | Years ago, I read Bill Bonner's book

01:17:56.000 | called Family Fortunes.

01:17:57.000 | I really love the book.

01:17:58.000 | And one of the points

01:17:59.000 | that he made in that book

01:18:00.000 | was the worst possible thing

01:18:02.000 | to give your children is money.

01:18:05.000 | If you just give your children money

01:18:07.000 | and you pass them along

01:18:08.000 | an inheritance that's money,

01:18:10.000 | you're almost assured

01:18:11.000 | that your family

01:18:13.000 | is going to be broke very soon

01:18:16.000 | because the people

01:18:17.000 | are going to spend the money

01:18:18.000 | because that's what you do with money.

01:18:19.000 | And so his comment was

01:18:21.000 | certainly money

01:18:22.000 | is going to be part of it,

01:18:23.000 | but the goal should be

01:18:24.000 | to provide an inheritance

01:18:25.000 | that will endure.

01:18:27.000 | And that inheritance

01:18:28.000 | is probably going to involve lands

01:18:31.000 | or business.

01:18:32.000 | And lands

01:18:33.000 | are famously difficult to sell.

01:18:35.000 | They're difficult to divide.

01:18:36.000 | They're difficult to sell.

01:18:37.000 | And so if you pass along

01:18:39.000 | physical property

01:18:40.000 | to your beneficiaries,

01:18:42.000 | that physical property

01:18:43.000 | is not something

01:18:44.000 | that they can sell.

01:18:45.000 | They can spend the income from it,

01:18:46.000 | but you can make it

01:18:47.000 | so they can't sell it.

01:18:48.000 | So thus, it's more likely to endure.

01:18:50.000 | And then he talked a lot

01:18:51.000 | about a business

01:18:52.000 | and a business culture

01:18:53.000 | and how if there's a family identity

01:18:55.000 | that's associated with a business,

01:18:57.000 | then this business now

01:18:58.000 | is not likely to just be

01:19:00.000 | pawned off to the next bidder.

01:19:03.000 | And ever since I read that book,

01:19:05.000 | probably a decade ago,

01:19:06.000 | I've just thought about

01:19:07.000 | the cheapness of money,

01:19:08.000 | that we spend all of our time

01:19:09.000 | chasing money,

01:19:11.000 | which is the cheapest,

01:19:12.000 | most ephemeral thing that exists,

01:19:14.000 | and we often ignore true wealth

01:19:16.000 | and those things that create money.

01:19:18.000 | And Aesop wrote the fable

01:19:19.000 | of the goose and the golden egg

01:19:20.000 | for a reason.

01:19:21.000 | And yet I feel like

01:19:22.000 | most of our modern American mentality

01:19:25.000 | related to money

01:19:26.000 | is all about cutting the goose open

01:19:28.000 | to get the egg

01:19:29.000 | so we can show it off online

01:19:31.000 | rather than cultivating

01:19:32.000 | a farm of geese

01:19:33.000 | and taking that one goose

01:19:34.000 | that was producing

01:19:35.000 | kind of yellowish-looking eggs

01:19:37.000 | and carefully breeding it

01:19:38.000 | and carefully breeding it

01:19:39.000 | and carefully breeding it

01:19:40.000 | until three generations from now

01:19:42.000 | we can have a goose sire

01:19:45.000 | that can fill our children's goose houses

01:19:48.000 | with progeny forever.

01:19:51.000 | And so how do we get more of that

01:19:55.000 | in our thinking?

01:19:56.000 | How do we build that long-term thinking?

01:19:58.000 | And my entree into this

01:19:59.000 | is this is why I think it's important

01:20:02.000 | that we think and talk about our family.

01:20:04.000 | We're living in a culture

01:20:05.000 | that is so ephemeral

01:20:07.000 | that all we think about is ourselves.

01:20:09.000 | And so if we're going to go build a business

01:20:11.000 | we're just thinking about

01:20:12.000 | how we can get rich

01:20:13.000 | so we can retire

01:20:14.000 | and be done as quickly as possible.

01:20:15.000 | But more and more as I get older

01:20:17.000 | and I watch my children get older

01:20:18.000 | now I'm thinking

01:20:20.000 | how can I build a business

01:20:22.000 | that my great-grandchildren

01:20:23.000 | will be able to triple?

01:20:25.000 | That's a totally different mindset.

01:20:27.000 | And I don't know if it's possible.

01:20:28.000 | We can look to some of the businesses

01:20:30.000 | in Japan and in Europe

01:20:31.000 | and the Middle East and whatnot

01:20:32.000 | where there's 600-year-old businesses.

01:20:35.000 | And the business major in me

01:20:38.000 | just says, "Oh, that's ridiculous.

01:20:39.000 | Our modern engineering is so better."

01:20:41.000 | But is it?

01:20:42.000 | Don't we have some lessons to learn?

01:20:44.000 | So I don't have much to teach on it

01:20:46.000 | but I am thinking about it

01:20:47.000 | and trying to find some solutions

01:20:48.000 | to solve these desires

01:20:50.000 | that you and I share.

01:20:53.000 | Yeah, I think that's...

01:20:55.000 | I mean, that's been a lot of what

01:20:57.000 | I think has kept me from...

01:20:59.000 | which is not necessarily a good thing

01:21:01.000 | but what's kept me from taking action

01:21:03.000 | at times is I want to build a business

01:21:06.000 | that not only my children can inherit

01:21:09.000 | but can do so much more

01:21:11.000 | than I was able to do with it.

01:21:14.000 | I love the Thousand Year House guy.

01:21:16.000 | Those guys are super awesome

01:21:17.000 | and especially with my background

01:21:18.000 | in construction, I love that stuff.

01:21:21.000 | And I think there's obviously

01:21:22.000 | a lot to be said in UC, right?

01:21:24.000 | As wealthy people spend money

01:21:26.000 | and if they start to value something

01:21:27.000 | you start seeing that transition

01:21:29.000 | over to lower classes

01:21:31.000 | and that can happen.

01:21:33.000 | It's also just hard where it's like,

01:21:38.000 | gosh, it's like a million-dollar home

01:21:40.000 | and it's not even that big

01:21:41.000 | and what about the people

01:21:44.000 | who need this to some degree?

01:21:47.000 | Some of those people just need

01:21:48.000 | to go figure out a way

01:21:49.000 | to make more money, right?

01:21:51.000 | I couldn't afford

01:21:52.000 | an all-brick home right now.

01:21:53.000 | So, you know, and so I think there's...

01:21:57.000 | It's like I see a lot of this stuff

01:21:59.000 | that I want to move to

01:22:00.000 | and I don't see a lot of people doing it.

01:22:02.000 | Other than there's a few people

01:22:04.000 | doing like that kind of thing

01:22:06.000 | but then I even see like I struggle

01:22:08.000 | with kind of the economic side of it.

01:22:10.000 | I don't mind.

01:22:11.000 | I have no problem selling expensive things

01:22:14.000 | to wealthy people.

01:22:15.000 | Also, to some degree, it's like

01:22:17.000 | how can we scale that down

01:22:19.000 | in a reasonable way

01:22:20.000 | so that a reasonable family

01:22:22.000 | when they're trying to buy a home,

01:22:24.000 | they're not wasting their first home payment

01:22:26.000 | on some trashy new build

01:22:29.000 | that literally falls apart in six months

01:22:31.000 | and is built literally falling apart, right?

01:22:34.000 | I like your example of the golden egg

01:22:40.000 | where yeah, that's totally what we're doing.

01:22:42.000 | You're totally like not only killing the goose

01:22:45.000 | but cutting open the egg

01:22:46.000 | and it's like all of this stuff.

01:22:48.000 | We destroy the actual valuable thing

01:22:51.000 | and we have no thought for the future

01:22:53.000 | because ooh, I can post this on Instagram.

01:22:55.000 | I don't know.

01:22:59.000 | I'm glad to hear you're thinking that.

01:23:00.000 | I would love for you to do that episode

01:23:02.000 | on the five industries

01:23:04.000 | that financial services should take over.

01:23:06.000 | I think that's totally within your wheelhouse.

01:23:08.000 | - All right.

01:23:09.000 | I always question

01:23:12.000 | how do I keep my podcast name

01:23:15.000 | Radical Personal Finance

01:23:16.000 | instead of The Joshua Sheets Show

01:23:18.000 | if I go too far off script

01:23:21.000 | but I probably should.

01:23:23.000 | - That ship has sailed.

01:23:24.000 | It's fine.

01:23:25.000 | - There you go.

01:23:28.000 | That was the accurate comment.

01:23:29.000 | The ship sailed with episode 33, Joshua.

01:23:31.000 | Come on.

01:23:32.000 | And we're all still here.

01:23:34.000 | Great.

01:23:35.000 | All right, good stuff, Daniel.

01:23:36.000 | Thank you.

01:23:37.000 | Let's keep talking and let's keep thinking.

01:23:39.000 | I think obviously with most things

01:23:40.000 | everything begins with desire

01:23:42.000 | so we begin with a desire

01:23:43.000 | and there's not a solution.

01:23:45.000 | On the housing thing,

01:23:46.000 | I've been following the guys

01:23:48.000 | who are 3D printing houses

01:23:50.000 | and I don't think it's not--

01:23:52.000 | They're not thousand-year houses.

01:23:54.000 | They still use wooden trusses

01:23:55.000 | and asphalt shingle roofs

01:23:57.000 | and things like that

01:23:58.000 | so it's not nearly as great

01:24:01.000 | as a brick house with a slate roof

01:24:03.000 | or something like that

01:24:04.000 | but still there are probably some ways to do it

01:24:08.000 | and if I were involved in home building

01:24:11.000 | and I could use a--

01:24:12.000 | If I could build 3D printed houses

01:24:14.000 | with the construction printers that they have,

01:24:16.000 | the concrete printers that they're using now,

01:24:18.000 | that stuff's pretty cool

01:24:20.000 | and so it's probably not an extremism.

01:24:23.000 | Probably what we need

01:24:24.000 | is some builders building modest houses

01:24:27.000 | that cost a million dollars

01:24:28.000 | because they're all made out of brick

01:24:30.000 | and then we need a lot of other people

01:24:31.000 | that are still producing homes for the masses

01:24:34.000 | because we forget

01:24:35.000 | how minuscule the wealthy has always been.

01:24:39.000 | The counterargument to everything

01:24:41.000 | that we've said so far

01:24:42.000 | is just to appreciate

01:24:43.000 | that a lot of our ancestors

01:24:45.000 | lived in a sod house

01:24:47.000 | that they dug out of the ground

01:24:49.000 | and piled up grass around

01:24:50.000 | and that was where they birthed nine children

01:24:53.000 | and so we're doing a lot better than that

01:24:57.000 | but that doesn't mean

01:24:58.000 | that we've reached the zenith of civilization.

01:25:00.000 | We've got a lot yet to do.

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