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Welcome to Radical Personal Finance, a show dedicated to providing you with the knowledge, 00:00:33.160 |
skills, insights, and encouragement you need to live a rich and meaningful life now, while 00:00:37.240 |
building a plan for financial freedom in 10 years or less. 00:00:42.080 |
And on today's episode of the podcast, I want to share with you a fairly comprehensive 00:00:47.720 |
outline of how to find and attract a very high quality spouse. 00:00:54.680 |
That is my goal, to give you a formula, a list of things that you can do that will help 00:00:59.440 |
you to attract and find, find and attract, let's get it in the right order, find and 00:01:06.600 |
Now you might be quickly hastening to say, Joshua, but Joshua, this show is called Radical 00:01:13.200 |
What does this have to do with personal finance? 00:01:16.080 |
And my answer here as I begin is quite a lot, quite a lot. 00:01:21.100 |
Now I could take, if I were more courageous, I could take the track to say that one of 00:01:26.200 |
the best and most reliable pathways to your wealth and financial independence is to find 00:01:34.360 |
I would like to do that show because it's certainly something that people talk about. 00:01:39.720 |
We know that some people do find and find love and marry for money. 00:01:45.520 |
And tell you what, there's a lot of thing that seems really attractive to it, of finding 00:01:52.640 |
I'm not quite courageous enough to tackle that subject. 00:01:55.240 |
I'll let you do that, simply because I don't consider that to be an ideal soul quality 00:02:01.840 |
to judge someone by and I don't necessarily know how to do it. 00:02:05.960 |
I don't know how to go out into the world and attract and find, you know, a rich heiress 00:02:11.440 |
of some kind who can support me in my lifestyle. 00:02:14.800 |
I've known a couple of men who have done this. 00:02:17.520 |
Being from Palm Beach, Florida, I have known a couple of men who, a friend of mine who 00:02:22.380 |
ran a stationary shop had married a very wealthy lady and he ran the shop, could give him something 00:02:27.520 |
to do but she supported him and did really well. 00:02:31.800 |
But my reticence just comes down to being a man and I would have a hard time respecting 00:02:37.160 |
I think there's a difference between men and women in this regard where finding and marrying 00:02:42.080 |
a rich man seems to be a little easier for women to accomplish in some cases than it 00:02:47.240 |
I think the kind of man who's going out looking for a rich woman is often not very attractive 00:02:54.240 |
So I'll let someone with more courage than me tackle that. 00:02:56.640 |
On a more mundane level though, I want to tell you why this is a financial topic and 00:03:02.240 |
Number one, on its face, it's obvious that your marriage decisions will impact all of 00:03:10.560 |
We know that the amount of income that you earn, the amount of wealth that you accumulate, 00:03:15.320 |
the specific expenses and obligations that you have throughout your lifetime, all of 00:03:19.480 |
these are going to be affected by your decision to marry or not marry. 00:03:23.160 |
We know that on the positive side, marriage is a very good indicator that is reliably 00:03:29.000 |
going to be one of the factors that means you're likely to wind up in the top cohort 00:03:33.640 |
of your peers in terms of wealth accumulation, income, all of the financial statistics are 00:03:41.180 |
On the contrary, we know that those who divorce often experience an enormous financial destruction 00:03:47.080 |
and it's one of the biggest risks that you can face in your life and so it's certainly 00:03:53.040 |
The reason I like to talk about it and want to talk about it is that I always have an 00:03:57.680 |
interest of going basically a level back, going a step upstream and that's how I think 00:04:05.760 |
I want you to pretend for a moment that you were part – you grew up in a tribe of Indians 00:04:14.040 |
in the Amazon somewhere and you have zero contact with the modern world, you're living 00:04:18.900 |
out in a rural environment and you decide for some reason to take up an interest in 00:04:25.520 |
Well, the first thing that would happen would be you would simply have to figure out some 00:04:31.000 |
reason to take an interest in personal finance because in a primitive setting like that, 00:04:36.720 |
the whole concept of finance and money and everything like that is just not applicable. 00:04:45.400 |
So let's pretend that you were going to take good financial advice. 00:04:48.160 |
Well, the first thing that you would do would be to start to engage in the modern world. 00:04:53.840 |
You wouldn't engage in the modern world at the level of saving money into a retirement 00:05:00.920 |
You would engage in the modern world on the level of learning how to earn money, learning 00:05:05.560 |
how to earn income for wages, learning how to spend money. 00:05:08.800 |
But if we take it a step back further, we can see that behind all of these decisions 00:05:12.800 |
there's always one more level, one more level, one more level, one more level. 00:05:17.480 |
And so if we look at somebody who is, let's say, a stereotypical aristocrat born and raised 00:05:24.520 |
with a silver spoon in his mouth, and we go back to the very beginning, what we'll see 00:05:29.080 |
is that there are so many levels that ultimately produce that aristocrat that if we plumb the 00:05:39.760 |
We can go all the way back to the foundation of a civilization. 00:05:43.240 |
We can go – and what I'm saying here is we can go back before genetic seed, right? 00:05:48.440 |
The topic of genetics is an important component of personal finance because we are all a basic 00:05:56.160 |
And so the ability that our parents had to find and attract one another and produce intelligent 00:06:02.120 |
and handsome children is a fundamental aspect of our long-term financial success. 00:06:07.640 |
We can even go back to the society, the society that is stable and holds us. 00:06:13.000 |
And so my point is that when we talk about finance, if we exclusively restrict our conversation 00:06:20.080 |
to those things that are covered on the CFP exam, we can approach one level of success. 00:06:26.400 |
But for everything that is covered on the CFP exam, if you go back one more level, you 00:06:31.920 |
can often find a factor that, if it's optimized, can sweep everything else away. 00:06:38.640 |
Again, the example I always like to use is simply you can practice frugal living and 00:06:45.120 |
savings and good investing over time, but if you just have an enormous income or build 00:06:49.880 |
an enormous business, then all of the need for the day-to-day penny-pinching stuff goes 00:06:55.840 |
So it would behoove us to spend time focusing on the things that are one level up. 00:07:04.560 |
And so I believe that this is a financial topic, and that's why I want to present it 00:07:09.200 |
to you in the context of radical personal finance, because it's one of those foundational 00:07:17.200 |
But if you get this right, it can go really well. 00:07:21.200 |
Back to the marrying a rich spouse is simply that my wife got it right. 00:07:26.160 |
She married me, and I've paid every bill, and she's had as much money as she needed 00:07:32.760 |
And so her pathway to financial independence, in her case, depended very much on her getting 00:07:42.040 |
And we didn't have an easy road into marriage, but once we got on that road, then everything 00:07:47.760 |
worked out well enough for her, at least so far. 00:07:50.000 |
Now, that's not to say that things couldn't go wrong in the future. 00:07:54.900 |
That's why we talk about life insurance and health insurance and proper divorce planning 00:08:00.920 |
and all the stuff that goes with everything, so that it continues to go right with her. 00:08:07.200 |
But that these concepts and what I'm going to share is fundamentally important. 00:08:12.040 |
And so if you want to marry rich, you want to marry a rich man or a rich woman, I'm going 00:08:16.840 |
to describe to you in this podcast a formula as to how you can accomplish that and get 00:08:23.200 |
you on the road to that if that's something that you are interested in. 00:08:27.720 |
If you are just interested in marrying somebody who has other qualities that you admire, I'm 00:08:31.320 |
going to give you a formula in today's podcast to help you accomplish those personal goals. 00:08:36.960 |
Before I get to that formula, I want to also give one quick apologetic for marriage. 00:08:43.540 |
There are two basic decisions that shape the actual experience you have of life over the 00:08:50.600 |
Decisions to marry or not marry and decisions to have children or not have children are 00:08:57.040 |
There are a couple others, but those are two fundamental decisions. 00:09:00.880 |
Now separately in other episodes of the podcast, I've talked about the decision to have children. 00:09:04.760 |
I've tried to make an apologetic for that most people should consider having children. 00:09:09.180 |
I want to make a quick apologetic here for marriage. 00:09:13.280 |
And I want to talk about why I feel such a burden to share this formula and help you. 00:09:18.360 |
It has to do with, frankly, the success of our culture on a broad macro level all the 00:09:24.560 |
way down to a personal level, the just simple happiness that you and I will experience by 00:09:32.320 |
Historically all successful and enduring societies have built some kind of social construct that 00:09:39.920 |
naturally funneled most young people into marriage and procreation, family growth. 00:09:46.600 |
If a society is not able to accomplish that, it will fail in the fullness of time. 00:09:52.240 |
Every society that is not able to create a stable population that stabilizes the needs 00:09:57.000 |
and the desires of young men and women ultimately falls to some influence. 00:10:02.380 |
You oftentimes, for example, if you have a polygamous society, you'll often have so much 00:10:06.440 |
unrest by the unwed men in society who aren't able to compete with the high value men who 00:10:12.600 |
take all the wives that results in social decay over time. 00:10:18.560 |
You have societies in which there's men and women are kept separate, just they collapse 00:10:25.260 |
And then ultimately if a society doesn't have children, doesn't maintain high birth rates, 00:10:29.040 |
it gets subsumed by some other society that does. 00:10:32.840 |
So our society, the one that you and I live in, also previously had such a social construct 00:10:40.400 |
that naturally funneled most young people into marriage and family growth. 00:10:45.000 |
But speaking broadly of Western civilization, U.S. American culture that I come from, and 00:10:51.320 |
perhaps the various subcultures and microcultures that I represent and you represent to some 00:10:55.960 |
degree, our society once did that, but that's broadly collapsed. 00:11:00.920 |
We have replaced the shaping power of marriage as an institution that forms people with the 00:11:08.920 |
false belief that only perfect and perfectly self-actualized human beings should marry. 00:11:17.040 |
We have replaced raising children as a natural and normal life goal with alternative goals, 00:11:22.760 |
such as making money and retiring early as the primary life goals to pursue. 00:11:28.160 |
So if you and I desire for our families, our cultures, and our societies to continue and 00:11:33.560 |
to flourish, we have to change some of these problems. 00:11:38.360 |
And because this is all upstream of finance, if we don't get it right, our financial lives 00:11:46.860 |
If we live in a society of increased cultural conflict due to poorly partnered men and women, 00:11:55.680 |
if we live in a society that is old, growing older, graying, even all of our welfare programs 00:12:01.680 |
fall apart, our social security and other government benefits that would see to us in 00:12:05.820 |
our old age, these are all predicated upon a young and growing society. 00:12:13.820 |
And so we want to talk about this stuff and we want to deal with it straight on. 00:12:17.720 |
And we want to focus on dealing with it straight on so that we can develop strategies to help 00:12:23.520 |
ourselves and also our children so that our society becomes one that is expanding and 00:12:28.980 |
growing and spreading out and subsuming other inferior cultures in the fullness of time. 00:12:36.840 |
The decision to marry is largely based upon your meeting an acceptable marriage partner 00:12:43.440 |
at an appropriate phase of life and then being able to successfully attract and woo that 00:12:53.800 |
I think the default natural evidence-based desire or decision for most people should 00:13:04.460 |
And we should not shy away from installing that default choice, that default ambition 00:13:10.680 |
into our children, into our neighbors, into our society around. 00:13:15.600 |
We know that all of the sociological data that we have shows that whether by objective 00:13:20.800 |
metrics such as health, health span, life span, or subjective metrics such as self-reported 00:13:28.120 |
happiness and satisfaction with life or various other self-reported metrics, that married 00:13:32.760 |
people outperform unmarried people on, I want to say all, I'd say most because I haven't 00:13:41.060 |
I don't know of a metric that married people don't outperform unmarried people on. 00:13:48.220 |
Now we obviously need to think carefully about survivorship bias because divorced people, 00:13:52.980 |
especially recently divorced people, tend to have a very low opinion of marriage. 00:13:56.460 |
And they want to contradict all of the data and statistics that I have just said. 00:14:01.420 |
Although their opinion of marriage somehow tends to change over time. 00:14:05.020 |
I've lived long enough now to work with and talk with a number of people who have gotten 00:14:10.300 |
married then gotten divorced and there's a remarkable chain of events that tends to happen. 00:14:16.580 |
Within the months and sometimes years immediately after divorce, you'll hear people swear by 00:14:22.820 |
everything that is dear to them that they will never ever again marry. 00:14:29.140 |
Usually they meet a certain someone or a certain series of someones and they kind of soften 00:14:33.320 |
up and then all of a sudden they're married again and they're proclaiming the benefits 00:14:39.780 |
There are some who go the other way and follow through on that long-term vow not to marry, 00:14:47.780 |
Obviously I don't want to deal flippantly with any of these things. 00:14:51.820 |
But our bias should be that all of the evidence is that most people should marry. 00:14:56.140 |
And that, again, the metrics that we can measure indicate that they're better off in the fullness 00:15:01.940 |
And we shouldn't be ashamed to study those metrics, learn from them, and then share them 00:15:07.300 |
Because even when talking about divorce and its damaging effects, what I'm talking about 00:15:12.540 |
in this podcast is going to be fundamental to avoiding that. 00:15:16.900 |
Divorce does not happen accidentally or randomly. 00:15:22.020 |
There's an effect that comes from certain causes. 00:15:25.060 |
And while not all causes of divorce can be avoided for all people, many or at least I 00:15:30.900 |
would say most or at least many of them can be avoided by better attention to the formula 00:15:37.540 |
that I'm going to give you here in this podcast. 00:15:40.740 |
We know that other lifestyles really don't work in the long term. 00:15:45.020 |
For example, singleness, or let's just start with celibacy, single celibacy is not a long-term 00:15:52.140 |
winner for most people just due to their basic biological urges. 00:15:56.820 |
There are some people who have been able to master those urges, but in general long-term 00:16:01.740 |
celibacy is not a lifestyle that most people have pursued voluntarily. 00:16:06.280 |
We know that promiscuous sexual behavior outside of marriage is empty and/or hollow for most 00:16:18.140 |
Sometimes it's empty and hollow very quickly. 00:16:20.300 |
Some people go on for a decade living a promiscuous lifestyle of fornication and then they realize 00:16:25.920 |
that that really wasn't a big winner and they ultimately change and walk away from that. 00:16:34.300 |
Our society is full of psychopaths and sociopaths and perverts and we can go through the names 00:16:41.580 |
of P. Diddy in the news right now or Jeffrey Epstein or Harvey Weinstein or Kevin Spacey 00:16:47.260 |
or Oscar Wilde or Marquis de Sade or all of these perverts that throughout history have 00:16:53.660 |
We know that sociopaths and psychopaths will continue in their destructive behavior and 00:17:00.340 |
But generally speaking, most arrangements other than one man, one woman marriage don't 00:17:09.060 |
So it's better for us to give attention to what we know does work effectively, what should 00:17:15.620 |
be the default option for people, to teach our young people that this should be the default 00:17:20.300 |
option because we know that it's the best default option and then try to solve the issues 00:17:28.820 |
So rather than sacrificing a generation to wander around with a lifelong pursuit of self-actualization 00:17:35.180 |
and arrive at the end of life wondering if it was worth it, since we can measure that 00:17:40.100 |
stuff pretty effectively, we should focus more on solving the problems with marriage 00:17:45.780 |
itself and then our next generation will be in a stronger place. 00:17:53.500 |
And so how do we solve some of the issues with marriage? 00:17:56.020 |
Well some of them ultimately are legal and there's many layers that some are cultural, 00:18:01.180 |
some are social, but at its core we have the best chance of solving the problems that are 00:18:07.620 |
And I think there are a couple that I want to really focus on. 00:18:10.620 |
First we diligently prepare people for marriage, especially by making sure that individuals 00:18:18.140 |
have a good exposure to the world, a good sense of who they are and what they're looking 00:18:24.420 |
And then we give individuals, unmarried individuals, the tools to attract a high-quality spouse 00:18:31.020 |
so that they would have the best possible chance of building an enduring and high-quality 00:18:37.820 |
So I'd like to talk about how do we prepare young people for marriage. 00:18:42.340 |
Because if you start doing what I'm doing and you talk about what I'm about to do, you 00:18:46.380 |
speak about marriage while young, you will quickly hear and receive a well-intended, 00:18:54.420 |
Someone will say, "We don't want people to get married too young. 00:18:57.860 |
After all, young people don't even know themselves or they haven't even had a chance to get to 00:19:05.640 |
And I'm inclined myself to agree with this objection. 00:19:09.420 |
I don't want to encourage marriage that is too young. 00:19:14.200 |
But before I agree with the objection, let me point out the hypocrisy of this objection 00:19:23.860 |
In most of our societies, we have decided to treat 18-year-old men and 18-year-old women 00:19:32.940 |
We consider them competent to cast a vote in a democratic election. 00:19:37.500 |
We consider them competent to go to war and die, either voluntarily or involuntarily. 00:19:44.780 |
We consider them competent to get tattoos, to go through a sex change surgery, to commit 00:19:50.740 |
crimes and be held fully responsible for their actions and the results of their actions. 00:19:57.740 |
We consider them competent to get themselves euthanized in some countries. 00:20:05.260 |
Now, of that list of things, and you could expand the list into many other things, but 00:20:10.940 |
of that list, marriage, in my judgment, is probably the least harmful possible decision 00:20:19.140 |
Now, the tattooed among us would argue with that and the voters would argue with that, 00:20:24.620 |
but I think you could extrapolate out and say, "Well, is it really harmless to have 00:20:30.060 |
a bunch of 18-year-olds voting when they're so easily swayed by whatever?" 00:20:35.460 |
The point is that marriage is a relatively – we know that the long-term outcome of 00:20:39.980 |
marriage is a relatively positive and strong. 00:20:43.500 |
And so, basically what I'm saying is that if we're going to automatically have the 00:20:47.660 |
response that 18-year-olds shouldn't marry, then they definitely shouldn't do any of 00:20:56.660 |
Now, we know from the data that, at least in our current paradigm, that there's a higher 00:21:02.820 |
rate of divorce for people who marry at 18 as compared to people who marry at 25. 00:21:09.700 |
I don't know why that is the case, but I would say that that's why I'm inclined to agree 00:21:15.340 |
I'm not trying to get my own children to marry at 18. 00:21:20.460 |
But I think that we can do a lot more in the direction of solving this. 00:21:24.020 |
First, some of those other things, those other decisions, should be deferred beyond the age 00:21:29.980 |
If I understand from the medical personnel among us, they say that people's brains – that 00:21:34.900 |
people don't even fully mature from an intellectual or mental standpoint until at least mid-20s. 00:21:41.920 |
And so, I'd like to tell young people, I tell my own children, that if you're going 00:21:46.020 |
to engage in some life-altering decision or behavior, it's probably best to wait until 00:21:57.740 |
People I've noticed who are happiest with their tattoos are the ones who started when 00:22:01.140 |
they were fully formed adults, not the ones who went out and impetuously made a decision 00:22:08.940 |
I tell my children, if you want to consume alcohol, that's fine. 00:22:16.540 |
If your decisions are not encumbered by your inebriation, just wait. 00:22:21.860 |
Wait until you can make more mature, intelligent decisions. 00:22:25.060 |
And so, most things in life are better off to defer until a later time. 00:22:30.060 |
And we could argue that that's the case for marriage. 00:22:33.100 |
Now, the problem with marriage is that there are certain periods of life in which certain 00:22:44.860 |
And I frequently talk about money-bound goals and time-bound goals. 00:22:48.300 |
And with marriage, and especially with procreation, younger tends to have better long-term outcomes. 00:22:55.220 |
If you wait until you're 30 to marry, you can still marry well, and you can have children 00:23:02.140 |
But the statistical likelihood of your marrying your dream partner and/or your having children 00:23:10.320 |
It's much more likely that most of the dream spouses that you would have loved to be married 00:23:19.620 |
And if you're going to have children, if you start having children at 30 and later, when 00:23:25.060 |
your brain is fully matured and fully formed, then you are going to, number one, not have 00:23:32.660 |
as much time with those children as you otherwise might have. 00:23:35.140 |
Number two, you are probably going to have a more difficult time conceiving and birthing 00:23:39.900 |
those children than you otherwise would have. 00:23:41.780 |
And number three, you probably won't be able to have enough time to have as many children 00:23:48.380 |
And so marriage is one of those decisions in where, because we have a biological component 00:23:52.660 |
of the effect of marriage, we want to be thoughtful about arbitrarily setting a certain age. 00:23:58.500 |
And so one of my questions is, how much of this kind of preparation for marriage is cultural 00:24:09.220 |
I will concede the point that perhaps 18-year-olds are better off having more time for their 00:24:18.740 |
But I also think that we can affect some of these things from a cultural perspective. 00:24:23.300 |
Why aren't our 18-year-olds prepared generally for marriage? 00:24:28.740 |
Why would you and I shudder if most 17 or 18 or 19-year-old young men and women came 00:24:42.620 |
And could we do a better job of preparing our young people effectively for marriage? 00:24:49.300 |
I think that cultures throughout history have done so. 00:24:52.320 |
So why can't we, or at least why couldn't we if we wanted to? 00:24:56.660 |
Is it the fact that there's some magical age, for example, is 25 the magical age at which 00:25:03.020 |
it makes sense to marry because then you're going to have the statistically lowest chance 00:25:07.300 |
of divorce, or is it just that our culture has accomplished certain things that happen 00:25:13.020 |
by and around the age of 25 that winds up in that being a good solution? 00:25:19.300 |
So I think a good amount of this is a cultural phenomenon. 00:25:22.860 |
And so we could change our culture either on a micro level, our family culture, or on 00:25:30.660 |
So reasons not to marry young, I've already mentioned maturity, emotional and psychological 00:25:39.100 |
Certainly, some expressions of maturity are biological, but not all. 00:25:46.140 |
It's not uncommon for you to encounter a 30 or 40-year-old who, though his chronological 00:25:52.780 |
age has advanced, his psychological and emotional maturity seems stunted for various reasons. 00:25:58.900 |
Sometimes there's been some kind of trauma that has stopped the maturing process. 00:26:02.960 |
Sometimes it's just disuse, nobody was forced to mature. 00:26:06.220 |
And so I think that we could encourage our young people to stronger emotional and psychological 00:26:11.220 |
maturity before their biological age would indicate that it's possible. 00:26:19.780 |
One of the great problems of marrying at 18 would be that very rarely would a young man 00:26:24.060 |
or a young woman have any measurable financial stability. 00:26:29.260 |
We've created that system by freezing young people out of the job market, freezing young 00:26:33.760 |
people, making it illegal for them to work in many cultures prior to that certain age. 00:26:38.860 |
We've created cultures that are very sophisticated and require advanced levels of education and 00:26:43.100 |
skills and training before someone can be productive. 00:26:46.460 |
And so we could go back and think through the educational process that we use and help 00:26:54.900 |
Youngers can earn money even in a complex society just like anyone else can. 00:27:00.500 |
Or education and career development, our training and educational processes could be adjusted 00:27:09.100 |
I think one of the most powerful ones for many people is just to say that at 18 you 00:27:13.260 |
don't know yourself because you've had a very constrained life experience. 00:27:17.300 |
A natural way that many people would grow up would be to live in one town where their 00:27:23.220 |
families from, have one life experience of going through a local school system, and their 00:27:29.620 |
only experience of life comes from what they've learned from vicariously through textbooks 00:27:35.220 |
or reading or movies or some other thing like that. 00:27:37.880 |
And so the young individual will turn 18 years old, go off to college, and it's basically 00:27:43.220 |
the first time that that young man or woman has experienced freedom and independence, 00:27:48.180 |
the ability to choose who he or she socializes with and interacts with, and you start to 00:27:53.460 |
say yes to different kinds of life experience and no to other things. 00:27:57.140 |
And it's that process of gaining exposure to varied experiences that often help a young 00:28:03.340 |
man or woman to form his or her perspectives on life and help him to be more confident 00:28:11.900 |
But why does that life experience have to begin at 18? 00:28:16.180 |
One of my ambitions as a parent is to expose my children very broadly to a diverse experience 00:28:23.220 |
of life at a young age to try to counteract some of these things. 00:28:29.860 |
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And so this is why I travel and why we try to read very broadly and why we try to interact 00:29:02.660 |
with different cultures and different people and have different situations. 00:29:06.320 |
And then even that experience of going off at 18, I don't think that that should be the 00:29:10.500 |
first time that young men and women experience freedom and voluntary association. 00:29:14.940 |
I think it's smart for high schoolers to study abroad in high school rather than just waiting 00:29:19.700 |
I think that teenagers should go and spend their summers working at jobs where they're 00:29:24.820 |
not at home so they experience the maturing effects and all of the things that come. 00:29:31.980 |
I think that if we do a better job of exposing our young people to diversity of experience 00:29:39.340 |
and diversity of philosophy, then there's probably a stronger possibility that an 18 00:29:46.420 |
or 20-year-old would feel confident that, "I know who I am. 00:29:50.660 |
I know what I want to do," and be more ready and more mature with a varied life experience 00:30:00.460 |
And so there are other factors we could go on. 00:30:02.580 |
My point was just to pique your interest and to say, if you don't believe that 18-year-olds 00:30:07.000 |
should marry, why don't you believe they should marry? 00:30:11.780 |
And take those factors and say, "Are these things that are biological realities that 00:30:19.660 |
are unalterable, or are these factors things that could be changed if we molded and adapted 00:30:31.100 |
And my answer is that there are a few of those things that fall into Category A, and some 00:30:37.980 |
I don't want to create a counterculture that is forced—certainly not one that's forcing—but 00:30:42.540 |
I don't want to create a culture that's just mindlessly sweeping young men and women into 00:30:48.060 |
marriage as young as possible, but I want to work hard to create a culture in which 00:30:53.980 |
there are easy pathways for young men and women to marry when they are young. 00:31:03.180 |
In addition to all of the factors that I've alluded to and mentioned—things that marriage 00:31:08.820 |
is a transforming influence on young men and people, it has an amazing maturing influence, 00:31:14.020 |
that when you marry young you have more time with your marriage partner, with your spouse, 00:31:18.860 |
you have more time with your children, everything—when you're younger it's easier to couple up because 00:31:25.020 |
you're more malleable, you have that less life experience—has a converse benefit in 00:31:29.660 |
that you can adapt yourself to your spouse in a way that's much harder if you come together 00:31:34.420 |
when you're both fully formed, mature adults at 32 years old, and you're set in your ways. 00:31:39.780 |
It's easier to be malleable, and that can form a stronger bond. 00:31:44.660 |
And then everything related to children, childbirth, and time with children, all of those things 00:31:50.140 |
But the reason I want to emphasize this in today's episode has more to do with your ability 00:31:57.980 |
to find and attract the highest quality spouse, and this is why this is applicable for those 00:32:05.140 |
of us who are raising children to be thinking about, and it's applicable if you're listening 00:32:08.680 |
to me and you're 20 years old or 30 years old, 40 years old, 70 years old, and you're 00:32:12.900 |
unmarried and you're trying to think about, "How do I go about this? 00:32:18.940 |
So the key point is simply, the younger you are when you decide to pursue marriage, the 00:32:27.860 |
better the potential outcome because you have the widest possible pool of high-quality potential 00:32:39.580 |
When you are young, you have the widest pool of high-quality potential spouses that you 00:32:46.140 |
will ever, ever have, and I would submit to you that this is a mathematical fact. 00:32:56.900 |
Let's assume that you are a young man or young woman and you have a sample set of 100 potential 00:33:05.860 |
spouses that are available to you, that you're exposed to. 00:33:10.060 |
These could be the girls that are in your high school or the boys that are in your college 00:33:15.260 |
or the co-workers you have or the people you meet at the tennis club or whatever you do 00:33:19.500 |
or the matches that you get on whatever app you're swiping on at the moment. 00:33:28.980 |
Not all 100 of these individuals are equally appealing to you, and so we could create a 00:33:36.060 |
grading system of some kind for these individuals. 00:33:40.380 |
We could choose and create our grading system for simplicity on a scale of 1 to 10. 00:33:46.260 |
Now let me hasten to add that this is your grading system. 00:33:50.700 |
I'm not saying that, for example, the way this, you know, she's a 10 is commonly used 00:33:59.500 |
This has become somewhat vulgar because I think the factors that people are often using 00:34:04.440 |
in the grading system are not very well thought out, but the reality is we all have a grading 00:34:10.560 |
We all have some kind of system that we grade other people on. 00:34:14.260 |
Whether it's explicitly expressed and we could actually point to it, write it down on a sheet 00:34:19.300 |
of paper, plug it in a spreadsheet and rate our potential candidates based upon each of 00:34:24.500 |
the factors that are involved or whether it's just an implicit unexamined attractiveness 00:34:30.500 |
scale that I'm generally attracted to this person. 00:34:33.820 |
We all have a grading scale, and I think that's a good thing. 00:34:39.360 |
If you go through your grading scale and you divide these 100 potential spouses into 10 00:34:45.140 |
different categories, you would probably get, at the outcome of your grading, you would 00:34:54.120 |
And so if we applied the standard numbers to kind of a standard bell curve to this group 00:34:58.760 |
of 100 individuals that you know, again, think of the 100 girls you graduated with from high 00:35:05.260 |
school or college or the last 100 matches you've matched with on your social media app, 00:35:11.260 |
then of that, at either extreme, you would have a small number. 00:35:15.520 |
Let's say you would have—I'll give you the numbers. 00:35:17.520 |
So on your scale of 1 to 10, you would have 2 people who are rated as 1, very undesirable. 00:35:24.520 |
You would have 5 people that you would rate as a 2. 00:35:27.200 |
You would have 9 people that you would rate as a 3. 00:35:29.840 |
You would have 14 people that you would rate as a 4, 20 people you would rate as a 5, 20 00:35:34.380 |
that you would rate as a 6, 14 as a 7, 9 as an 8, 5 as a 9, and on the very high end of 00:35:40.240 |
the most attractive desirable people for you, there would be two 10s in that sample set 00:35:56.120 |
Of that 100 people, at the end of one year, there will be fewer available spouses to you 00:36:04.980 |
of that sample set of 100 people than there were one year before. 00:36:09.660 |
Well, some people will die perhaps, not many if you're very young, more if you're older, 00:36:16.300 |
Some people will marry, and this would be the most frequent category as to why someone 00:36:22.040 |
would no longer be available to you as a potential spouse. 00:36:25.820 |
Some people would just simply age out, that some people might get too old or too young. 00:36:32.280 |
You would get older and you would say, "It's not appropriate now for me to be interested 00:36:35.480 |
in someone who was 13 years younger than me or 14 years older than me." 00:36:42.400 |
Time and life decisions are going to naturally cause many of those 100 people to be unavailable 00:36:55.140 |
Of the people, let's say that in a given year, let's say 20 of the 100 people naturally are 00:37:06.380 |
Are those 20 likely to come from the top half of the curve, the fives and ups, or from the 00:37:12.600 |
bottom half of the curve, the lower than fives? 00:37:18.060 |
I would say that since the biggest factor in people not being part of your 100-person 00:37:26.520 |
sample set is likely to be that those people are married or in a committed relationship 00:37:32.360 |
leading to marriage or something related to that, that they're probably going to be coming 00:37:38.180 |
from the most desirable candidates, the fives and over. 00:37:43.620 |
Every year what's happening is the best candidates for marriage are quickly becoming fewer and 00:37:53.920 |
That doesn't necessarily mean that the most beautiful women are no longer available or 00:37:59.320 |
the most attractive men are no longer available. 00:38:02.240 |
Remember, these are your figures, these are your ratings levels, but the best candidates 00:38:10.960 |
for marriage, if you're interested in marriage, are continually being taken by other people 00:38:17.320 |
who are able to attract those people into a marriage relationship. 00:38:23.600 |
If you're not paying attention to this, it's very easy for you to wind up in an unintended 00:38:32.320 |
It's very easy for you to wind up older than you ever intended to be and with many fewer 00:38:40.400 |
You're looking around at the available guys and you're just thinking, "Ah, these guys 00:38:44.240 |
You're looking around at all the girls and you're thinking, "Ah, I don't want to marry 00:38:47.040 |
these girls," and this is a natural, normal part of life. 00:38:55.000 |
Now, the answer to this is be as aggressive as possible at a young age about being prepared 00:39:05.960 |
for marriage and pursue it as a focused goal. 00:39:10.320 |
We can't predict exactly when you will meet someone that is an ideal fit for you, but 00:39:18.120 |
if you are open to meeting that person when you are younger and if you've been intentional 00:39:22.680 |
about preparing yourself to be able to attract that person when younger, everything will 00:39:30.280 |
When you are young, you have the most possible people that you will ever have. 00:39:37.440 |
Now, I've talked about the first thing about population, the potential candidate pool of 00:39:44.360 |
unmarried individuals that you could potentially attract into a marriage relationship being 00:39:50.920 |
Every year that you get older, you might face challenges in being able to attract a partner 00:39:58.520 |
that's of your ideal age and this affects men and women differently. 00:40:05.320 |
The traditional normal marriage contract between men and women recognizes a frustrating reality. 00:40:14.600 |
Generally speaking, women are the most attractive marriage candidates when they are very young 00:40:21.800 |
because women who are young have the maximum peak of their physical beauty and attractiveness 00:40:29.240 |
and alluring qualities and they have the maximum ability to have babies when young. 00:40:37.880 |
As a woman gets older, her physical beauty generally declines and her ability to have 00:40:46.440 |
Now for men who are younger, their opportunity and ability to provide a warm and comfortable 00:40:53.680 |
home and provide financially and provide emotional stability and be good fathers, generally when 00:40:59.560 |
a man is young, that ability is only in its infancy. 00:41:06.040 |
Twenty-year-old guys are not generally becoming multimillionaires and having all the money 00:41:10.080 |
to support their wife in FERS and Mercedes and in luxury. 00:41:15.200 |
As a man gets older, his ability to provide those things generally increases and so he's 00:41:22.980 |
in his 40s and 50s, it is in his max earning years and he's able to provide those comforts 00:41:29.560 |
And so the normal history of the marriage contract that is one man, one woman for life 00:41:34.760 |
has been wife comes to the table and says, "I will give you my youth, my beauty and my 00:41:42.080 |
childbearing ability and child raising ability. 00:41:45.360 |
I'll give you these most valuable decades of my life in exchange for you giving me the 00:41:51.560 |
comfort and security and stability during the time when you are the most attractive 00:41:57.400 |
and I'll invest in you when you're young and not particularly attractive so that you stay 00:42:07.080 |
Well in the marriage environment we've created today in which the marriage contract has been 00:42:10.760 |
weakened and destroyed legally by no fault divorce and culturally with basically saying 00:42:17.520 |
it's no big deal, this has turned into a really bad system for women and for men because women 00:42:24.440 |
don't have the enduring confidence in the marriage relationship and men after now a 00:42:30.680 |
lot of that and decades of that, men are now realizing, "Wait a second, I can go out and 00:42:35.760 |
I can attract multiple women who are young and beautiful and raise children for me." 00:42:42.040 |
And this is an immoral system that we have to end and it's a very frustrating system 00:42:50.460 |
The example I think of is there was a friend of mine when I was in school who was incredibly 00:43:00.860 |
She was physically beautiful, she had a lovely personality, she was very athletic, total 00:43:10.680 |
When we were in school, my friends and I, those of us who came from a school where we 00:43:16.600 |
had a peer group, I remember talking with a friend of mine about what she was doing. 00:43:20.240 |
She was in college and she was dating professional athletes. 00:43:24.520 |
She was dating professional athletes who were current professional athletes who were showering 00:43:29.200 |
her with money and experiences and everything in the world. 00:43:33.400 |
And I remember thinking at the time, "How on earth could I compete with a professional 00:43:38.000 |
athlete for this beautiful girl, this amazingly attractive young lady? 00:43:46.040 |
I was a broke student and, you know, maybe I could have prospects but not the kind of 00:43:51.480 |
prospects that a professional athlete had and I just thought, "Well, she's just totally 00:43:58.560 |
But what's interesting is fast forward to today, that girl is now a middle-aged woman 00:44:05.120 |
and she's a single mother and when I look at her now, I don't have anything near of 00:44:10.880 |
that feeling that I once had of inferiority to her because now as a man, I am coming into 00:44:20.840 |
my prime in many respects of my life and now I feel like I have a lot to offer. 00:44:29.320 |
But now the question would be if I weren't married, well, would she be the one that I 00:44:33.480 |
would pursue and that's the question that a lot of men face and it's a very frustrating 00:44:40.480 |
And so the best solution to this is to try to be married to somebody who is close in 00:44:48.840 |
age to you because while it's possible to marry outside of your kind of standard age 00:44:54.040 |
range, it creates more and more problems in life and in marriage as that age gap extends. 00:45:03.680 |
And as you get older, the age gap becomes much more important. 00:45:07.360 |
And so if you marry when young, you can marry a very high quality candidate and your age 00:45:11.840 |
gap is together and you start to build a lot of amazing aspects of your life together. 00:45:19.520 |
Now and the older you get, the 10s, the 9s, the 8s, the 7s, most of these are taken off 00:45:32.000 |
Remember by the way, for the fourth time, this is your own ranking system. 00:45:36.580 |
If you wanted to create a spousal candidate ranking system that was numeric like this, 00:45:44.180 |
You would sit down and you would list all of the qualities and characteristics that 00:45:47.940 |
you consider important in a potential spouse. 00:45:52.220 |
You would create a numeric rating, really the numbers don't matter, but you would create 00:45:58.760 |
You would say, "Okay, I'm going to rate her physical beauty, 0 to 10, give her X, X number 00:46:06.300 |
I'm going to rank how I feel when I spend time with her, 8. 00:46:10.880 |
I'm going to rank how much respect she shows to my parents, 3." 00:46:17.120 |
You create any number of categories you cared about, give them a ranking and you can come 00:46:21.460 |
out the other side with a weighted score based upon how important you characterize things 00:46:26.840 |
are and you could rank a potential wife or a potential husband based upon these scores. 00:46:32.100 |
My point is simply that we all have some ranking system and some of us have one or two factors 00:46:38.000 |
on it, some of us have 102 factors on it, but all of us have a ranking system and if 00:46:43.920 |
your ranking system is optimized towards marriage, not optimized towards fornication or something 00:46:49.240 |
else, then the candidates who would be the best husbands and the best wives, your pool 00:47:05.560 |
Now assuming that's true, what you want to do is be serious about marriage but not obsessed. 00:47:18.120 |
What I mean by serious is don't set this aside and say, "This is not important to me," because 00:47:24.440 |
if you're having a hard time today finding and attracting a suitable spouse, then it's 00:47:33.900 |
There is no metric by which it's easier for that to happen. 00:47:37.460 |
The key is to focus on changing whatever needs to be changed to make it easier now and be 00:47:44.380 |
And what I often tell people is if you need to spend money on this, this is a good use 00:47:51.740 |
One thing that's very different for my being middle-aged as compared to being as young 00:47:57.380 |
as I once was is that today it's very easy for me to talk about serious things in life 00:48:04.800 |
And I think this is one of the cultural things that we need to change. 00:48:09.100 |
Older people, especially older married people, have a generally easy time talking about marriage, 00:48:20.580 |
It's just easy because we understand how important this is in life and how fundamental it is 00:48:26.100 |
to our experience of life, to our happiness in life and satisfaction and enjoyment. 00:48:30.680 |
And so when older people talk to younger people about their romantic relationships, we want 00:48:38.300 |
We want young people to experience the joy that we've had. 00:48:41.460 |
And we understand that running away from the subject or talking in riddles is not a way 00:48:48.600 |
For whatever reason, in our youth culture it often doesn't tend to be that way. 00:48:53.860 |
Our parents often didn't facilitate a culture in which talking about matters of the heart 00:48:59.860 |
They often didn't prepare us for what we were going to experience. 00:49:03.100 |
They didn't talk about things seriously and straightforwardly and openly, talk about the 00:49:06.900 |
good and the bad, the benefits, the downsides, the difficulties, the things that are easy. 00:49:15.340 |
And so my ambition with all of my children, like one of the things that I never permit 00:49:21.040 |
is I never permit people in personal conversation to make comments that would cause a young 00:49:30.300 |
person, a young man or young woman, to feel weird or funny about experiencing romantic 00:49:41.120 |
And usually it happens with other fathers and a father will say something about "I want 00:49:44.840 |
her boyfriends but that's going to be five years off" or "No, that's going to be ten 00:49:47.880 |
years away" and I always confront this, it's a big deal to me. 00:49:52.140 |
Matters of the heart should be normal and appropriate conversations between parents 00:49:59.260 |
They are private, they need to be respected and don't ever cause young people to feel 00:50:05.140 |
And so my ambition as a father is that when my children all experience their first crush, 00:50:11.320 |
I want to be the first one they talk about it. 00:50:14.120 |
When they are totally infatuated with someone, I want to be the first one that knows about 00:50:18.040 |
it because I've prepared them for that, I've told them it's going to happen, we've talked 00:50:21.460 |
about it and so when it happens they come to me and they trust me and they know that 00:50:26.040 |
I never betray their confidence and I'm right there to celebrate these experiences they're 00:50:31.520 |
having, the attraction and to coach them in managing them in an appropriate and healthy 00:50:38.540 |
Time will tell whether it works out but that's my ambition as a father. 00:50:41.120 |
And so recognize that we need to deal with these things on a straightforward basis and 00:50:45.760 |
we need to take away the weirdness of the situations in order to improve them. 00:50:59.100 |
Well I think that it is in a significant way a math equation. 00:51:07.400 |
Now that's probably a shocking statement for some people to say that attracting a world-class 00:51:15.760 |
I think first we need to deal with our terms and talk about love and marriage being something 00:51:22.960 |
that happens to you rather than something that you do. 00:51:28.140 |
In general, I think the idea of finding the one is silly. 00:51:34.920 |
It's a riskable concept and it should be mocked mercilessly in our society. 00:51:41.600 |
I don't do very well with the mocking but I think I would be happy if I heard more people 00:51:45.520 |
mocking the concept of I'm just going to find the one, the one person who is right for me. 00:51:54.200 |
In a world of eight billion people there is no just one person in the universe who is 00:52:00.080 |
There are simply people who are a great fit for you when you are ready to marry and then 00:52:08.000 |
So you find someone who is a good fit for you at an appropriate phase of life and then 00:52:13.360 |
I don't consider my wife to be the one, as in she's the only one in the world who could 00:52:21.840 |
Rather she is the one because she is the one that I have chosen. 00:52:29.200 |
And because of that choice, she is the only one in the world for me. 00:52:35.040 |
Now I understand that sounds like blasphemy in a world formed by Disney princesses and 00:52:42.860 |
It is true, it is the truth that we go through life and even if you look at the most ridiculous 00:52:50.320 |
rom-com that you are aware of, you will see this played out. 00:52:54.340 |
You will see that even in a ridiculous movie that is predicated upon finding "the one", 00:53:00.700 |
you simply have two people that go through life, all of a sudden they encounter one another 00:53:04.540 |
at a phase in life at which they are open to the relationship. 00:53:08.160 |
Then something clicks, they realize we're a good fit, sometimes that happens quickly 00:53:12.400 |
and is well judged, sometimes it happens slowly and I just needed this event to happen to 00:53:19.680 |
But they realize that this is a good fit and then they get together and then they stop 00:53:25.580 |
Now if you don't stop looking, then you wind up committing adultery against your spouse, 00:53:29.480 |
you wind up divorced and you wind up going through a long series of relationships. 00:53:33.760 |
But your spouse becomes the one when this is the man or the woman that you choose and 00:53:42.000 |
then because of that choice, he or she is the one for you. 00:53:51.160 |
To illustrate this, I thought of the example of athletics. 00:53:55.560 |
I think there are many professional athletes who could effectively compete in various sports. 00:54:02.560 |
If you look at natural athletic ability, it seems to be significantly important to very 00:54:11.320 |
Is somebody who plays professional football, is his life great because he magically chose 00:54:17.960 |
the right sport for him or is his life great because he worked hard at the sport that he 00:54:26.680 |
I think that if we think about that metaphor, we see analogs in romantic relationships. 00:54:33.380 |
We can see, for example, that there are some sports that are good natural complements for 00:54:41.960 |
There are some sports in which you do better if you are very small and there are some sports 00:54:49.040 |
There are some sports that you do better at if you're very fat and there are some sports 00:54:55.680 |
And so there is a natural component of selection among athletes similar to how there are certain 00:55:01.400 |
people who just are a good fit and who aren't a good fit for you. 00:55:05.580 |
But then within the group of sports that are a good natural complement for an athlete's 00:55:09.560 |
raw innate characteristics, the athlete becomes great at the sport because he chooses that 00:55:17.000 |
I guess probably the most famous example would be a guy like Deion Sanders. 00:55:20.280 |
Deion Sanders, I think, is the only athlete to date to have played in both a Super Bowl 00:55:25.500 |
and in a World Series, played in the NFL and in Major League Baseball. 00:55:30.480 |
But I would say that many athletes who play in the NFL could also play in the NBA and 00:55:36.280 |
many athletes who play baseball could also play football. 00:55:44.000 |
Well, because they picked a sport at a certain point in time and they specialized in it and 00:55:48.480 |
then that specialization allowed them to achieve the highest levels. 00:55:54.100 |
You choose someone who is a good fit for you and then as you build your life together, 00:56:00.400 |
you wind up becoming world class because you have so many shared memories, so many shared 00:56:06.680 |
relationships, you have a shared vision, you just have a shared life. 00:56:11.440 |
So then the idea of anyone else being right for you is unthinkable. 00:56:17.320 |
It's basically unthinkable to me that there would be someone else out there in the world 00:56:22.600 |
who would be a better wife for me because of the shared experience that I have with 00:56:29.800 |
We've had so much of our life together that to not be married to her and to then try to 00:56:37.320 |
build a relationship with someone else, I would be walking away from decades of my own 00:56:46.760 |
And so that's the point is that you can't, if you have 10 years of experience playing 00:56:51.240 |
football at a high level, you can't just automatically walk away from that and compete with someone 00:56:56.480 |
who has 10 years of experiencing baseball at a high level. 00:57:05.240 |
So recognize that the one is not because you just got to magically find a person in the 00:57:11.480 |
world who is the one for you, but rather that you are going to choose one person from potential 00:57:18.280 |
candidates and then as you enter into and pass through a maturing relationship, then 00:57:24.840 |
that person will be the one because of the choice that you made and become quite literally 00:57:33.120 |
What is the math equation for attracting a spouse? 00:57:35.640 |
Well, it's not math, but I think it's basically this. 00:57:39.880 |
You have to find a suitable, high-quality potential spouse at the right time of your 00:57:46.600 |
life and then successfully woo and attract that person into marriage. 00:57:54.560 |
If any of those three things aren't working, then your marriage prospects are dimmed or 00:58:02.040 |
And so to maximize your marriage prospects, you want to work on all three of these to 00:58:10.260 |
Again, you have to find a suitable, high-quality potential spouse, find. 00:58:14.540 |
That is a whole process of the potential candidates that are available, your interaction with 00:58:21.000 |
those candidates and the screening ability that you have to find a suitable, high-quality 00:58:26.720 |
potential spouse at the right time of your life. 00:58:32.080 |
Well, you decide, but it's an important component and many people say, "Well, it's not the right 00:58:37.200 |
time right now and it's not the right time because it's going to be eight more years 00:58:41.080 |
because I'm going to build my career or four more years because I'm going to graduate from 00:58:44.560 |
college or whatever the right time is," but then your candidate pool becomes smaller. 00:58:50.960 |
And so I'm pleading with you to not ignore the importance of age and be open to it at 00:58:56.440 |
many times in life while also acknowledging that sometimes you got to do certain things 00:59:04.600 |
So you have to find a suitable, high-quality potential spouse at the right time of life 00:59:08.040 |
and then successfully woo and attract him or her into marriage. 00:59:11.880 |
You have to be attractive enough to the person that you want to be attracted to you in order 00:59:19.100 |
to actually engage in a relationship that leads to marriage. 00:59:23.940 |
Notice my emphasis on engage in a relationship that leads to marriage. 00:59:29.860 |
There's a wide pool of candidates of people that you could be friends with. 00:59:35.280 |
There's a smaller pool of candidates of people that you could have some kind of romantic-ish 00:59:44.600 |
There's a wide pool of people that you could have a sexual relationship with. 00:59:50.100 |
But to attract someone into a marriage relationship and then actually see it through to consummation 00:59:56.840 |
is a different proposition and it requires a different approach. 01:00:03.120 |
So you should be careful in this who you take advice from. 01:00:06.880 |
One of the things that I find interesting as a cultural observer is how few people there 01:00:13.520 |
are who are happily and successfully married who are talking about how they accomplished 01:00:25.680 |
What I'm doing at the moment is a little unusual. 01:00:29.520 |
There's a world of dating coaches available to you who will teach you how to date. 01:00:37.640 |
There aren't so many people who are in long-term enduring relationships who are trying to teach 01:00:45.380 |
you how to build a long-term enduring relationships. 01:00:49.680 |
Most of us who are in that situation, it's just not important to us. 01:00:53.520 |
So I'm doing my best because I care about it. 01:00:55.320 |
But recognize that if you want to know how to get married, you should spend your time 01:00:59.080 |
asking married people how that happened for them. 01:01:02.360 |
If you're a young man and you want to get married, you should spend more time with married 01:01:05.800 |
men as compared to single men and find out what those married men did. 01:01:10.760 |
If you're a young woman and you want to spend time with married women and find out how did 01:01:15.360 |
this happen, what did you do, what advice do you have for someone like me? 01:01:19.360 |
And notice, by the way, that our society is generally structured in a way to make that 01:01:23.920 |
So you've got a church and you have the singles groups and the married groups. 01:01:29.080 |
But if you're single and you want to be in the married group, you need to spend time 01:01:32.120 |
in the single group because that's possibly where your potential spouse might be, but 01:01:36.560 |
you need to get the advice from the married group. 01:01:41.000 |
Here is my advice for you if you want to follow this through. 01:01:47.800 |
Assume that today you're listening to me and you're saying, "Joshua, I'm single. 01:01:58.200 |
Step one, I want you to create a comprehensive image of what you would consider to be someone 01:02:14.520 |
If you're a man and you're sitting there and you're thinking, I want you to create in your 01:02:19.080 |
mind a picture of the perfect woman that you would run down the aisle to marry with zero 01:02:27.720 |
reservations, zero hesitation, no holding back whatsoever. 01:02:40.560 |
What we need to do is we need to get that picture out of your mind and onto paper where 01:02:48.520 |
You do this in whatever way is comfortable for you. 01:02:51.120 |
Take out a sheet of paper in your journal and write, "My perfect wife" at the top of 01:02:56.560 |
Pull out a note on your phone and title it, "My perfect wife." 01:03:00.120 |
If you're a lady, sit down and record a voice memo and say, "My perfect husband." 01:03:11.320 |
Then I want you to spend time writing down every feature, characteristic, quality, attribute. 01:03:21.280 |
Write down everything that you can think of that you would dream about of the perfect 01:03:30.120 |
Again, put yourself in a mental frame in which you would experience zero hesitation to move 01:03:38.640 |
Get a crystal clear picture as much as is possible of every attribute, feature, characteristic, 01:03:53.880 |
What I mean is all of us live under social obligations and we experience some form of 01:04:04.440 |
We would provide some kind of characteristic of disclaimers or whatever if we actually 01:04:12.040 |
The censorship that we would generally apply to our words applies also to our thoughts 01:04:17.480 |
because when we've experienced the social pressure that we all experience, even in our 01:04:23.280 |
own thoughts, we're always censoring ourselves and saying, "Well, I want this but I shouldn't 01:04:27.880 |
want that," or, "It's just not right for me." 01:04:30.680 |
I'm going to encourage you, do not censor yourself at all. 01:04:35.160 |
If this should be your thing, put it in lock and key, put it in an encrypted note. 01:04:39.480 |
No one else is ever going to read this thing. 01:04:41.360 |
You write down every characteristic that you want, every dream that you have of an absolute 01:04:48.680 |
10 out of 10, an absolute dream spouse for you. 01:04:59.240 |
Anytime you observe someone, let's say you're over at dinner at a friend's house and you 01:05:05.440 |
observe his wife doing something, write that down. 01:05:09.080 |
I have this video I show to people of this couple that I randomly found, and I just was 01:05:14.000 |
amazed at how the woman looked at the husband while they're recording the video. 01:05:17.960 |
I thought, "That's something that I never would have thought of writing down. 01:05:22.080 |
She looks at me a certain way when recording a video," but you can just see that expression 01:05:29.960 |
Write down every feature, attribute, everything you can imagine and make a comprehensive list. 01:05:35.680 |
Make it as long as possible and don't censor yourself or judge yourself or criticize yourself 01:05:49.040 |
Let it percolate for an appropriate amount of time, days, couple of weeks, whatever. 01:05:55.040 |
Then bring out that list and read it carefully. 01:06:02.160 |
Print it out, put it on your desk, read it carefully. 01:06:09.160 |
Say while you're imagining this perfect person, I'm going to use a man's example, you're imagining 01:06:17.340 |
Put that list of all the characteristics and attributes that she has on one sheet of paper. 01:06:22.320 |
Put the second sheet of paper and say, "I'm going to now describe the perfect man that 01:06:34.320 |
So for every feature or attribute or characteristic, quality that you described about your perfect 01:06:41.640 |
wife, she's going to have a corresponding character, feature, or attribute that would 01:06:53.760 |
You wrote down that my ideal wife is a woman who is honest. 01:07:00.720 |
Well, is she going to be attracted to somebody who is dishonest? 01:07:08.880 |
Let's say that she's physically beautiful, she dresses well, she looks stunning at all 01:07:14.360 |
Well, is a woman who dresses well and is very physically beautiful? 01:07:18.120 |
Is she likely to be attracted to somebody who dresses like a slob? 01:07:23.760 |
So you would say, you know, dresses well, dresses suitably. 01:07:27.000 |
And there is texture that is necessary in this, because most relationships that are 01:07:34.040 |
successful involve a man and a woman who complement one another. 01:07:41.720 |
The word "complement" does not mean are the same as one another. 01:07:44.920 |
And so if she dresses like a prima donna at all times, just absolutely and totally into 01:07:50.200 |
fashion, does that mean that she's automatically into the guy who dresses like a dandy at all 01:07:55.000 |
My answer would be no, she's not necessarily. 01:07:58.240 |
Now sometimes you see those kinds of couples and they seem to get along together, but there 01:08:02.320 |
is a range of appropriateness that if she cares about the way that she dresses, then 01:08:08.120 |
at the very least a man that she's likely to be attracted to is presentable and is not 01:08:16.280 |
And so you figure out what the range is for each characteristic. 01:08:19.480 |
You know, let's say that you wrote down someone who's very intelligent. 01:08:22.160 |
Well, is she likely to be attracted to somebody who's not intelligent? 01:08:31.720 |
Picture this woman and write down the perfect man that she would be attracted to. 01:08:35.920 |
Similarly, if you're a woman and you're doing this exercise, you wrote down the perfect 01:08:39.680 |
man, write down all of the attributes of the perfect wife that he would just be thrilled 01:08:44.040 |
to marry from everything that you know, you've observed, you've heard about, you've learned 01:08:53.240 |
Take as much time as necessary, days, weeks, months, doesn't matter, just take time and 01:09:00.960 |
Then come back to that list, give it a short time, days or weeks, come back to that list 01:09:11.020 |
You need to grade yourself on how well you match up to that perfect person. 01:09:21.160 |
So again, using a man's perspective, I made list A was my perfect wife. 01:09:27.520 |
List B was the kind of man that this woman is likely to be attracted to. 01:09:32.200 |
What kind of man would she run down the aisle to meet? 01:09:35.400 |
And now I'm going to grade myself on those things. 01:09:41.000 |
You say, well, she's going to be attracted to someone who's, you know, I wrote down that 01:09:45.000 |
she's beautiful and athletic and we like to do runs together. 01:09:49.360 |
And so she's going to be attracted to someone who's beautiful and athletic, great. 01:09:54.640 |
Then, you know, she's going to be attracted to someone who has a lot of money so that 01:10:02.160 |
Or she's going to be attracted to somebody who has good social skills and is able to 01:10:05.760 |
interact with her in a positive way or makes her feel good and whatever the things are 01:10:14.320 |
And you grade yourself and compare yourself to that perfect man as best you can imagine 01:10:22.040 |
You now have your to-do list, your self-improvement list. 01:10:26.520 |
After I finish this line of thinking that I'm going down, I'll come back and give you 01:10:31.400 |
some suggestions for what should be on that list if you yourself can't come up with that 01:10:38.320 |
But I don't want to do that here because I want to emphasize this is your list. 01:10:43.120 |
These are the things that you can change about yourself and you get started on changing those 01:10:53.280 |
You can't coerce someone into a marriage with you. 01:10:57.480 |
You have to attract a person into a marriage with you. 01:11:02.160 |
You can't guarantee for certain what is likely to attract a specific person. 01:11:09.040 |
We all have strange and unusual things that for us are individual. 01:11:14.760 |
But you can start to create an appropriate level of commonality by imagining what you 01:11:21.120 |
think is your ideal marriage partner and then by starting to become what you think would 01:11:28.600 |
be the ideal marriage partner for that person. 01:11:32.320 |
And so while the individual expressions on a very small level will be very negotiable, 01:11:50.760 |
You could sit down and you could say, "Oh, the ideal woman that I would want to be in 01:11:55.320 |
a relationship with would be – would match me for my interest in coffee. 01:12:01.880 |
And so I'm going to become super" – whatever the expression of it. 01:12:05.000 |
The point is that this is a minor unimportant thing. 01:12:08.120 |
It just doesn't matter at all whether someone likes coffee or doesn't like coffee or shares 01:12:14.100 |
your taste in wines or doesn't share your taste in wines. 01:12:17.320 |
What is a big deal is wants to have children, doesn't want to have children. 01:12:21.680 |
Things like that are non-negotiable, like non-starters. 01:12:27.820 |
And so you will ultimately rank these things and a lot of this will just work out in the 01:12:32.600 |
wash and you'll say, "Oh, I put down that she must like coffee but after all, here's 01:12:39.400 |
But you want to start moving yourself in the direction of being someone who's likely to 01:12:44.440 |
be attractive to the kind of person that you want to attract. 01:12:47.800 |
I'm not going to dictate these things to you and no one else should either. 01:12:52.400 |
But the person that you are in reality should attract the kind of person that you want to 01:13:00.480 |
be with and repel the kind of people that you don't want to be with. 01:13:07.360 |
And you can do that by making a list, number one, of your ideal spouse. 01:13:13.400 |
Number two, making a fantasy list of the kind of person that your ideal spouse is likely 01:13:18.000 |
to be attracted to and then measuring yourself as compared to that person that you've made 01:13:23.160 |
up and saying, "What do I need to change?" and then get busy changing it. 01:13:29.160 |
Now after you've done that and while you are busy changing it, the next thing that 01:13:33.200 |
you want to do is go back to that image you've created, the avatar you've created of your 01:13:40.520 |
perfect wife or your perfect husband, and then make another list. 01:13:44.920 |
And the list is, "Where is this person likely to be?" 01:13:53.640 |
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If you wrote, "I want someone who is Christian like me," then there's a bigger chance 01:14:34.520 |
that she's in church on Sunday morning than at the club on Saturday night. 01:14:39.600 |
If you wrote down, "I want someone who is athletic," there's a bigger chance that 01:14:44.440 |
she's in the hiking club that is going out on Saturday morning than in the chess club. 01:14:52.120 |
If you wrote, "I want someone who is intelligent," there's a bigger chance that she is in college 01:15:03.560 |
And here I think you should also consider what online communities is this person a part 01:15:09.040 |
There's going to be a difference between, I don't know, meetmyhusband.com versus Tinder. 01:15:16.560 |
There's going to be a big difference in different apps and different platforms that people are 01:15:21.720 |
And so you need to ask yourself, where is this person likely to be? 01:15:31.520 |
After you've made the list of where is this person, go back to your calendar and count 01:15:37.680 |
up the number of times in the last month that you have actually been in the place that your 01:15:52.040 |
There are a couple of things that can go wrong in the process of finding and attracting a 01:15:57.600 |
suitable spouse, and we can analyze these things under those three layers that I said. 01:16:03.800 |
What is the equation for attracting a spouse? 01:16:06.280 |
You have to find a suitable high-quality potential spouse at the right time of life and successfully 01:16:13.540 |
So we've spent some time on successfully wooing and attracting him or her into marriage. 01:16:18.700 |
We've talked about becoming the kind of person that would be attractive to this spouse. 01:16:23.260 |
We've talked a little bit about the right time of life. 01:16:25.520 |
If you're 15 years old and you want to get married, there aren't that many people in 01:16:29.480 |
your high school classroom that want to get married, not the right time of life. 01:16:34.280 |
So we're going to be at the right time of life. 01:16:36.440 |
But then you have to find the suitable spouse. 01:16:41.440 |
Is the problem that I'm not attractive or is the problem that I'm just not spending 01:16:44.960 |
any time finding and I'm not spending time looking? 01:16:47.740 |
And a lot of people that I interact with tell me, Joshua, I want to get married. 01:16:50.960 |
If I ask you the question, how many potential candidates did you meet in the last month? 01:16:56.800 |
So we don't need to automatically assume that the problem is because you're unattractive. 01:17:01.080 |
Maybe the problem is that you're just not actually meeting anybody. 01:17:13.800 |
You're annoyed with not getting matched online or whatever it is. 01:17:19.580 |
But understandable doesn't mean that you're actually going to get the outcome if it doesn't 01:17:24.000 |
There's a lot of people that go through life expecting that magically someday the wonderful 01:17:29.760 |
girl from heaven is going to knock on the front door and propose to me on the doorstep 01:17:37.200 |
And we need to recognize it's absurd and then change it. 01:17:39.700 |
So if you're working on your personal attractiveness and you're at the right time of life in which 01:17:45.680 |
you want to marry, then you need to be out meeting potential candidates. 01:17:51.800 |
And then we can try to figure out what's working and what's not working. 01:17:55.900 |
And so how many times in the last month have you been in these places where your ideal 01:18:09.040 |
Or how many available attractive men and women have you met? 01:18:12.160 |
People that you think are appropriate for you based upon your values and your list, 01:18:18.040 |
And if the answer is two in the last six months, the chances of you being married two years 01:18:24.600 |
On the other hand, if the answer is 10 in the last six weeks, then now we've got pretty 01:18:31.320 |
And we can go back and we can analyze those numbers and say, "Well, what's going well? 01:18:37.180 |
And this is where you could be coached further with appropriate texture. 01:18:42.520 |
If you're a guy, I met 10 women who were unmarried, seemed like the kind of people that I would 01:18:47.400 |
be interested in getting to know and dating to see if there would be a relationship there. 01:19:11.240 |
Are you – and I'm not going to go down, but you can analyze it. 01:19:15.100 |
What you can't do necessarily is have any luck if someone says, "I've met zero women 01:19:22.840 |
Well, you're not going to be married six years from now if you don't change that. 01:19:27.200 |
So you need to change, number one, who you are, if there's something unattractive about 01:19:33.840 |
Number two, you need to change where you are and be spending time in places where your 01:19:41.300 |
Remember the saying, "What gets measured gets managed." 01:19:45.000 |
If you can see that something – that if you did something, that that could likely 01:19:51.480 |
lead to better outcomes for a goal that you are seeking. 01:19:55.280 |
And if it's something that you're capable of measuring, then it's something that you 01:20:03.280 |
And measuring yourself against the attributes that you think your perfect potential spouse 01:20:10.120 |
would value in you so that you can manage them is good. 01:20:14.160 |
And then measuring the number of potential candidates that you meet through your activities 01:20:19.720 |
and through what you're doing in life, that's also something that could lead to the initiation 01:20:28.080 |
Not everything is math, but you can develop the skills that are necessary. 01:20:32.960 |
And if you can measure these things, then you can coach yourself into what skills do 01:20:38.560 |
You may need to develop social skills of meeting people, striking up a conversation, asking 01:20:44.560 |
You may need to develop social skills of creating an intimate communication in relationship. 01:20:50.680 |
You need – there's all kinds of skills, but all of these are projects. 01:20:55.280 |
And there is no person in the world who with time, practice, focus, a little bit of outside 01:21:01.560 |
analysis and good coaching and focus on skill set development can't develop all of the 01:21:06.840 |
skills necessary to initiate a successful romantic relationship, lead it into and through 01:21:17.840 |
So regardless of whether it's as easy as it once was or not, it is possible and it 01:21:24.040 |
can be done and it can be done by any person. 01:21:27.520 |
There are certain factors that make it naturally easier and you may or may not have those factors, 01:21:35.080 |
You have the factors that you have and you should focus on moving them forward. 01:21:39.780 |
By way of review, what I suggest, step one, make a list of your perfect ideal spouse and 01:21:46.880 |
all of her characteristics, attributes, qualities, features, everything. 01:21:52.600 |
Number two, make a list of the kind of person that your ideal spouse would likely be attracted 01:21:59.720 |
to, everything that you can think of, especially based upon what you described as important. 01:22:05.440 |
Number three, compare yourself as objectively as possible to that ideal man or ideal person 01:22:12.440 |
and figure out where your strengths are and where your weaknesses are and work on your 01:22:22.180 |
Number four, make a list of where your ideal spouse spends time and is in this moment and 01:22:29.860 |
then ask yourself, how much time am I actually spending in that place? 01:22:36.060 |
Then track the number of potential candidates that you are meeting by being in that place 01:22:48.060 |
An example that is really good for younger people, especially I want to speak to younger 01:22:53.660 |
If you are a younger man, there is a very high probability that the woman that you would 01:22:59.960 |
consider to be a dream wife is in a college somewhere. 01:23:06.580 |
In our current environment, most intelligent, capable, hardworking women are going to go 01:23:13.780 |
Women are going to college at a rate twice as high as men and they are likely to be in 01:23:25.260 |
Many colleges will attract certain kinds of people and repel certain kinds of people. 01:23:28.780 |
If there is a certain type of woman that you are looking for, she is probably going to 01:23:36.540 |
The best thing to do, especially when you are young, is probably to be in that kind 01:23:41.900 |
I don't want to focus on a long discourse of this, but this is important because remember 01:23:49.340 |
If you are 18, 20, 22 years old, 24 years old, 27 years old, it is relatively easy for 01:23:56.100 |
you to be in college and for you to naturally interact with dozens and dozens and dozens 01:24:03.580 |
of people who might be a high quality spouse for you. 01:24:06.860 |
On the other hand, if you are 40 years old, it is much more difficult for you to be in 01:24:12.380 |
So this is one of the things that timing matters. 01:24:14.820 |
So my point of spending time in it is one of the strategies that I think is a good strategy 01:24:19.260 |
for people to consider, especially for men who often have a very difficult time with 01:24:23.660 |
online dating, is how can you get yourself into an appropriate college environment. 01:24:28.900 |
Go ahead and take a master's degree, work out at the on-campus gym, make sure you have 01:24:33.420 |
a legitimate non-creepy reason to be in the college environment and then meet lots of 01:24:39.100 |
It's relatively easy as a guy to meet a dozen new girls per week around the college environment, 01:24:46.140 |
whereas if you're 35 years old and you're working 70 hours a week, it's much more difficult 01:24:50.220 |
for you to meet a dozen new girls per week without some other elaborate system of introductions. 01:24:57.220 |
So go through this process and check yourself, meaning rate yourself, track how many people 01:25:03.620 |
did I meet, what happened in those conversations. 01:25:06.140 |
I met a girl at the gym, we had a short conversation, it was pleasant, it was great, but here's 01:25:12.540 |
what happened and then see what is happening in terms of moving the relationship forward. 01:25:18.700 |
That's the process that is useful and if you go through that process, probably by now, 01:25:23.980 |
even in your mind, you automatically know some things that you could or would change 01:25:28.460 |
that might help you get a better outcome of a potential spouse. 01:25:33.540 |
I would love it if you would stop now and do those exercises before you hear what I'm 01:25:40.340 |
Let me tell you what I'm about to say so that you can stop if it would be appropriate. 01:25:43.140 |
I'm going to give you some specifics that are broadly applicable, specifics for men 01:25:48.740 |
and specifics for women, that are things that will help you to be generally more attractive 01:25:54.300 |
and I'm doing this because this is what I wish that I had had when I was younger. 01:25:59.400 |
When I was younger, I was not serious about finding a wife, just happened because I ended 01:26:03.900 |
up in the natural environment and I met a woman that I clicked with and it happens naturally. 01:26:09.660 |
That's what happens for most people and what happened in the past, but I didn't come from 01:26:15.980 |
a culture that was as broken around dating as the current culture and so I didn't need 01:26:21.820 |
The current dating culture is increasingly broken and it's broken a lot since I was in 01:26:27.460 |
It's gotten much more difficult for young men and women and that's why I'm spending 01:26:31.500 |
more time on it, but I wish still in hindsight I look back and I think why didn't somebody 01:26:37.060 |
tell me how important some of these factors were and so I try to do my job to coach young 01:26:43.660 |
men and young women on some of the factors that while not any one of them is the factor, 01:26:49.380 |
it's the collection of these traits and features that are probably going to influence the outcomes 01:26:56.020 |
that you have and when I interact with people who are not successful with women or not successful 01:27:03.900 |
with men, it's rare to find people who are maximizing these characteristics and attributes 01:27:13.980 |
I want you to listen to what I'm going to continue on with, but I would love it if you 01:27:20.220 |
So if you're going to do this exercise, you're the kind of person who does it, pause the 01:27:24.620 |
episode, go through, spend the next three or four weeks doing these exercises that I've 01:27:29.100 |
described for you and then come back and listen to what I'm about to say. 01:27:34.460 |
If you're the kind of person who never stops when someone says stop, then just listen, 01:27:38.420 |
but just know that I'm going to probably pollute your mind a little bit with giving you attributes 01:27:42.580 |
and characteristics that are broadly influential on most male and female relationships. 01:27:50.080 |
Listening now so you can stop the episode, five, four, three, two, one. 01:27:59.460 |
I'm going to give you a list of characteristics and what I'm going to share with you is not 01:28:06.420 |
It comes from an awkwardly titled YouTube channel called Ho Math. 01:28:13.260 |
Ho Math has become a very large producer on TikTok and on YouTube and is increasingly 01:28:21.540 |
And back around last year in December, which is actually when the video that I'm referencing 01:28:28.940 |
and drawing from came out, I came across this channel and I immediately saw that this particular 01:28:35.680 |
channel in our current moment is an extremely useful and somewhat balanced perspective on 01:28:48.480 |
If you're looking for coaches or guides on relationship formation, we face an enormous 01:28:54.200 |
And let me describe the problem to you so that you can understand where to go for advice. 01:28:59.360 |
The first problem is that the dating marketplace, the sexual marketplace for young people who 01:29:05.080 |
are dating has been completely transformed in the last decade for a variety of features. 01:29:12.820 |
And so many older people, my generation and older, who are not paying attention, they 01:29:17.760 |
don't understand how much things have changed, genuinely changed. 01:29:23.920 |
There are many reasons for this, but just something as simple as social media has completely 01:29:30.240 |
transformed male and female relationships from being kind of a natural thing where you 01:29:36.480 |
interacted with people who were in your social sphere to now young men and women are accessing 01:29:44.520 |
In former times, it was very normal that you went to high school, you went to college, 01:29:49.160 |
you had your social circle was limited by those you were in high school with and those 01:29:53.200 |
you were in college with, and that the people that you interacted with were drawn from that 01:30:04.440 |
Today, any man and most importantly any woman can go online, create a profile, and instantly 01:30:11.480 |
– generally the women – receive male attention from people all around the world. 01:30:16.480 |
And so this has dramatically changed relationship dynamics for young men and women that now 01:30:23.160 |
as a young man you're not just in competition with the people in your high school class 01:30:28.520 |
or your college environment, you're now in competition with people from all around 01:30:37.760 |
Older people generally, unless they're paying attention and asking young people for their 01:30:43.680 |
experience, don't have an accurate view of where things are at the moment. 01:30:48.200 |
The next thing that you have to filter for is basically ideology or philosophy. 01:30:53.880 |
We are becoming a more segregated society where people of an intense ideology are congregating 01:31:01.760 |
And so you can have this for men and for women. 01:31:07.100 |
But let's say that I become a red-pilled, in-cell MGTOW guy. 01:31:13.160 |
And so I spend all my time consuming MGTOW, which is an acronym MGTOW, men going their 01:31:19.200 |
And I'm spending all my time with the red-pilled MGTOW folks. 01:31:23.440 |
I can do this when I'm young, I can do this when I'm older. 01:31:26.240 |
Usually with the younger guys it winds up being the pickup artist space and basically 01:31:31.400 |
the sleep with as many women as possible and abuse them space. 01:31:36.000 |
Andrew Tate and many people in his sphere would be emblematic of this. 01:31:42.100 |
If you're an older guy then it becomes the divorced folks, it becomes the entrepreneurs 01:31:47.320 |
and cars people and all of the 40s and 50-year-old guys. 01:31:51.320 |
And what happens is you get into this echo chamber, so you watch one video and the algorithm 01:31:57.240 |
And six months later you basically despise women and you just despise women and you become 01:32:02.880 |
totally toxic to women because of your misogynistic despising of women. 01:32:09.760 |
And you look at some of the people who talk about this, it just becomes a self-reinforcing 01:32:16.200 |
Whereas meanwhile guys who are happily married and appreciate women, they tend to be pretty 01:32:20.800 |
attractive to women because they appreciate women and they don't just look down on women. 01:32:26.440 |
And I'm sure that there's a similar effect in female circles where I'm generally pretty 01:32:31.280 |
repulsed by like hardcore pink-haired feminist types. 01:32:35.500 |
And it's fine, they want to repulse me, they want to repel me and so I'm repulsed by them. 01:32:39.800 |
But what happens is that they're not receiving energy from people like me who I consider 01:32:47.400 |
myself a fairly upstanding, virtuous man of integrity who appreciates and who is respectful 01:32:55.240 |
And I have opinions and ideas that she might disagree with, but I treat women with respect 01:33:03.540 |
And so she's repelling guys like me, but then she's going to create a sphere group of guys 01:33:09.360 |
who don't have that perspective to her and who would mistreat her. 01:33:13.920 |
And so it's no surprise that two or three years later she winds up hating men because 01:33:20.320 |
After all, that's what she's been exposed to. 01:33:22.320 |
I watched this happen to a friend of mine that I graduated from, a friend of mine from 01:33:28.760 |
school, moved to New York, wound up in kind of this super ambitious culture that was very 01:33:36.080 |
unfriendly to marriage and kind of just natural relationships. 01:33:40.440 |
Today she's a blue-haired lesbian, feminist type, and it's a totally natural thing. 01:33:48.000 |
There was nothing innate about her that was that way. 01:33:51.700 |
It was that the culture that she got involved in changed her, and so we want to be careful 01:33:57.680 |
And today, since we all choose our cultural voices to a degree based upon who we choose 01:34:03.040 |
to pay attention to, it's really important that we develop filtering mechanisms for people 01:34:06.960 |
that have a balance, and an appreciation, a knowledge, and a balance. 01:34:11.920 |
I say all that to say that I think Homath, as much as I don't like saying the name of 01:34:17.040 |
his channel and his platform, is one of those guys who's probably a useful and insightful 01:34:23.480 |
observer because of his own experience and because of what he's done. 01:34:27.700 |
So he published this video back in December of 2023 called Zones Version 3, The Most Useful 01:34:37.360 |
And in this, he goes over a diagram that he drew that I think is broadly useful to understand 01:34:47.500 |
It's not—when I say—you're smart enough to understand words like broadly, like broadly 01:34:55.340 |
And because it's broadly useful, I consider it an important thing to discuss. 01:35:01.540 |
I would encourage you to watch the original version. 01:35:03.420 |
I'm just going to go over some of the factors that you might want to consider in terms of 01:35:09.060 |
assessing why am I unable to attract the kind of person that I want to attract. 01:35:15.020 |
And these factors are different for men and for women. 01:35:19.020 |
I'm going to begin with what men are attracted to in women because they are somewhat simpler. 01:35:28.100 |
When I say simpler, one of the insights that I think is useful from this particular relationship 01:35:35.580 |
map is the introduction of texture to say that men analyze women differently than women 01:35:47.420 |
From my experience and observation, I think this is true. 01:35:53.180 |
For the kind of woman that a man is attracted to, men basically have one scale. 01:36:04.180 |
And in the actual video, HOMATH goes through different levels as far as the kinds of relationships 01:36:17.020 |
As someone who is mostly interested in marriage, I understand we need to be aware of this, 01:36:20.660 |
but I'm mostly interested in helping people to get to marriage, not to just multiple relationships. 01:36:25.980 |
But the point is that men could rate women and do rate women on a scale of 0 to 10 on 01:36:32.220 |
a single scale and that the features in this scale are additive. 01:36:38.620 |
Men have one meter to say, "Are you a keeper? 01:36:42.060 |
Are you a seven and over that I'm going to commit to or are you not?" 01:36:47.260 |
And if you're going to be a 10, it's the accumulation of these features. 01:36:53.900 |
Now, going from most important to least important for men, we can factor these in. 01:37:01.580 |
So according to HOMATH's chart, he would say that the most important thing for men where 01:37:05.780 |
you get the most points is your body, is a woman's body. 01:37:09.980 |
And so a body would include factors such as body type. 01:37:13.300 |
She has a body type that I'm attracted to, her voice, how does she speak, fitness, level 01:37:18.780 |
of personal fitness, the attractiveness of her face, her hair, pheromones or just a general 01:37:30.260 |
Generally men are attracted to women who are supportive, who are helpful, who are reliable, 01:37:37.060 |
women who are interesting, who are talented, who are fun to be with, who have a high IQ, 01:37:43.180 |
who are intelligent and who are emotional bonding. 01:37:54.380 |
What is her history with men, her sexual history? 01:37:57.880 |
What baggage does she bring to the table of her life? 01:38:09.260 |
Does she have a lot of guy "friends" that she indulges in her life? 01:38:14.140 |
And then small factors that barely matter at all to men such as there's certain conveniences 01:38:22.580 |
And the idea is that these things are cumulative. 01:38:25.620 |
Not any one factor is something that is going to be the factor. 01:38:30.820 |
But for a man, if he looks at the overall package and says, "Okay, she's got a body 01:38:41.480 |
Maybe her face is not naturally the most beautiful, but it's acceptable. 01:38:47.180 |
She makes me feel strong and confident in myself. 01:39:02.420 |
So if you're a woman who is looking to attract a man, I would encourage you go through that 01:39:06.120 |
list that I just read to you and look through the list and ask yourself, "How can I optimize 01:39:15.860 |
The problem that many young women who desire to marry today is that they're optimizing 01:39:22.580 |
They're optimizing for things that society is optimizing for men, and men are not generally 01:39:32.060 |
And so this is why, if you're a woman and you're in good shape and you are encouraging 01:39:37.540 |
to a man and you build his confidence and you're supportive of him and you wear a cute 01:39:42.380 |
dress and you cook a great meal, good chance that he's seeing you as wife material. 01:39:48.620 |
And he's not so impressed by the fact that you're the president of the XYZ Society and 01:39:53.500 |
that you've written four books and published those things, because those things are not 01:39:59.780 |
They're an expression of your IQ and your talent and things like that, but they're not 01:40:04.700 |
So consider these features and optimize for them. 01:40:07.660 |
I think you can do both if you're a woman who is really interested in your professional 01:40:12.740 |
development and you're very much focused on pursuing your career. 01:40:17.460 |
All that is great, but you also need to adapt to the feminine qualities that men appreciate 01:40:23.060 |
and bring those things to him for him to be attracted to you. 01:40:26.740 |
The point is that there's one meter and it's a cumulative matter of these factors. 01:40:33.900 |
So if you're lacking in one factor that is attractive to your ideal husband, if you can 01:40:40.620 |
improve the other factors that are under your control, then you can do that and be fine. 01:40:50.860 |
Of the things that are attractive to women, especially someone to whom you're going to 01:40:57.540 |
marry, because for men who want to marry a woman, it seems as though things can go wrong 01:41:05.980 |
What I mean is it can go wrong in the sense that you're just not attracted to women, period, 01:41:13.860 |
On the other hand, you can have a woman who wants to be with you, but she's not willing 01:41:20.580 |
Or you might find someone who likes to be with you, but she's not willing to be in a 01:41:26.700 |
And the insight that I appreciate from what Homath created is that according to him, there 01:41:38.620 |
They are the metrics of security, or what we can call a good guy score, and the metrics 01:41:45.340 |
of attraction, or what we can call a bad boy score. 01:41:50.180 |
And both of these are generally important to women. 01:41:54.020 |
If a man provides high degrees of security, meaning he's a good guy, but he doesn't provide 01:42:02.500 |
high degrees of attraction, then he winds up friend-zoned. 01:42:08.660 |
And that was one of the things that I didn't understand when I was in college. 01:42:11.660 |
I was friend-zoned continually because I was always high security and low attraction. 01:42:17.060 |
I didn't understand that you had to optimize for both of those things in order to attract 01:42:23.100 |
Now I subconsciously optimized for both of those things with my wife based upon the way 01:42:29.100 |
Today I can look back and I can see that, but I was blind to it at the time. 01:42:33.420 |
I thought, "Well, I want to be a good guy, and if I'm a good guy, then those would be 01:42:38.460 |
the things that would be attractive to women." 01:42:41.060 |
And I was a good guy who got friend-zoned continually. 01:42:44.280 |
It's important for men to understand this because it's utterly maddening if you think 01:42:49.060 |
that what women are looking for is just good guys, and you think, "I'm a good guy. 01:42:58.820 |
And you need to understand that's not the only thing. 01:43:01.060 |
And I'm emphasizing this because there is a high correlation between the kinds of young 01:43:07.140 |
men who are listening to what I'm saying right now an hour and 40 minutes deep into this 01:43:12.020 |
podcast and the bad dating outcomes that some men are getting. 01:43:18.460 |
It's because you are optimized for being a good guy, for providing high security for 01:43:23.940 |
a woman, but you're not optimizing for attraction. 01:43:30.100 |
So if you are optimizing for high security but not for attraction, and you just have 01:43:35.580 |
a good guy score and no bad boy score, then you wind up getting friend-zoned. 01:43:41.580 |
Now if we pivot to the other dimension, and if any of this is confusing, just watch the 01:43:46.300 |
video and you'll understand, but if we pivot to the other dimension, we have where you're 01:43:55.380 |
Now here is what women are often attracted to. 01:43:59.660 |
They're attracted to bad boys, men who have great sex appeal and express very masculinity 01:44:06.620 |
and confidence in various ways that turn them on, but these relationships don't often wind 01:44:15.340 |
You have just straight out sex appeal or some version of a situationship, which is what 01:44:20.940 |
many women, at least if I listen to what they say, are in today, that is not resulting in 01:44:27.500 |
And so they're choosing men who are very attractive, either for a purely sexual relationship or 01:44:34.140 |
they become one of multiple women that he has available to him in some kind of situationship 01:44:39.740 |
and they're hoping that, "Well, someday he's going to pick me," and in reality he never 01:44:44.540 |
does because he doesn't provide that level of security that she would necessarily even 01:44:49.420 |
say yes to him, and/or he's just not interested in marriage. 01:44:54.420 |
If we can optimize on both of these scales, the good guy score and the bad boy score, 01:45:00.820 |
if we can optimize on both of these as a man, then there's a much higher probability that 01:45:07.660 |
you would be able to attract your ideal wife to you and see that relationship all the way 01:45:18.580 |
Let's start with the good guy score, and the idea here is that these things would be added 01:45:24.300 |
So we'll start with the kind of higher level aspects. 01:45:29.020 |
The first one is labeled by HOMATH as investment. 01:45:35.380 |
Do you have the ability to spend money on a woman? 01:45:40.380 |
Do you have the ability to spend money on her and on her lifestyle? 01:45:44.580 |
I want to quickly hasten to add this should not cause you to be embittered if you are 01:45:52.460 |
There is a common point of bitterness where men will say, "Well, she's just in it for 01:46:00.060 |
Some superficial women might say, "Well, I just want him to spend lots of money on me." 01:46:04.780 |
But money is a decent proxy for a woman for her future security. 01:46:09.900 |
And so your ability to have money is a good guy score. 01:46:13.700 |
This is your ability to provide security for her. 01:46:16.620 |
If she is going to be in a relationship with you and she is going to give you her youth 01:46:21.180 |
and her beauty and bear your children, then the amount of security that you can provide 01:46:28.660 |
And so it should be your ambition to have money so that you can spend money on her. 01:46:34.060 |
And not all spending money or having money is just frivolous and superficial. 01:46:39.620 |
It may be expressed differently at different times in a woman's life. 01:46:46.100 |
Wealthy guys have a much easier time attracting women because of their ability to provide 01:46:55.380 |
Is he a guy who invests into her and provides quality time? 01:47:01.780 |
Is he emotionally available and emotional bonding? 01:47:07.220 |
These are very highly important things that a woman is probably going to consider to be 01:47:21.860 |
Do you present yourself well in terms of your physical appearance? 01:47:25.620 |
Are you the kind of person who is comfortable in various situations and able to draw people 01:47:33.700 |
Are you thought well of by others in the community? 01:47:36.020 |
Your reputation is very important to women and a woman is likely to draw some measure, 01:47:43.180 |
some significant measure of her attraction to you based upon how attractive you are to 01:47:49.320 |
other people in the community, both men and in many cases especially women. 01:47:59.900 |
Are you willing to be monogamous with her and exclusive? 01:48:02.940 |
Are you a man who exercises and demonstrates self-control? 01:48:06.560 |
And then there are the bonus factors which matter a lot maybe, I guess. 01:48:12.060 |
Homa says they matter a lot to many women of conveniences and possessions and where 01:48:16.660 |
you're from and little quirks and idiosyncrasies and about a bazillion different things that 01:48:21.660 |
could cause you to be that special someone that she really likes. 01:48:24.620 |
Now the important point here is that all of these are good guy scores. 01:48:31.400 |
They're all things that you can and should optimize for and they're important on the 01:48:39.900 |
They are not sufficient, however, to move you into the husband zone or Prince Charming 01:48:46.060 |
So you have a separate set of metrics that are your bad boy score or your attraction. 01:48:51.700 |
So what are those features of your bad boy score? 01:48:57.580 |
Just to be clear, when we say bad boy, we're using a cultural meme. 01:49:02.780 |
It doesn't mean that you have to be a morally defective man to have a bad boy score. 01:49:10.540 |
You can be an upright and morally righteous man and have a very high bad boy score. 01:49:19.380 |
So let's start at most important or kind of working from the hardcore end down and these 01:49:42.660 |
What's the amount of chemistry that you have together? 01:49:46.500 |
Is he a man who has good hygiene, good posture, good fashion sense? 01:49:54.100 |
Then you have factors related to your masculinity, your competence in something, your confidence, 01:50:00.380 |
your personal confidence and your competence. 01:50:16.060 |
Are you funny, smooth, capable, sly, persevering, mysterious, popular? 01:50:29.980 |
Or are you optimistic, self-assured, positive? 01:50:33.540 |
Those are kind of the light traits or the dark traits, or I'm superior, I always get 01:50:36.740 |
my way, nobody better mess with me, kind of these strong features. 01:50:40.620 |
And so the point is to go down that list and just ask yourself, could I optimize for some 01:50:48.180 |
And if you're able to optimize on both scales, then the chances are good that you'll be broadly 01:50:57.340 |
attractive to women generally, which will improve your ability to attract the highest 01:51:03.460 |
And back to your kind of sample set, your bell curve, let's say that you would like 01:51:07.380 |
to marry a woman who for you on your metrics is an 8 or 9, 7, 8, 9, 10, something like 01:51:12.940 |
that, well, if you can optimize for these things early in life, then you have the highest 01:51:16.900 |
possible chances of optimizing or being able to see this through to fruition, to matrimony 01:51:25.380 |
So the key lesson is that I thought Ho Math did so beautifully at clarifying as something 01:51:36.020 |
You want to maximize for both of those things, for both metrics, for your attraction factors 01:51:44.580 |
And if you will maximize or optimize for both of those things and find some expression that 01:51:51.100 |
is appropriate for you, then it will be simpler and easier for you to catch the eye of an 01:51:58.460 |
attractive woman, someone that you would like to pursue further to the next step of the 01:52:04.340 |
She has to do her part to become an attractive woman, but you also have to do your part to 01:52:08.980 |
understand how to be appealing to the kind of woman that you would like to attract. 01:52:15.560 |
Some people have many of these characteristics naturally. 01:52:19.340 |
I don't know if they're innate, but at least they didn't have to intentionally acquire 01:52:25.580 |
Some people come by many of these characteristics just as a product of their upbringing or their 01:52:30.380 |
parents or how they were trained, whatever the natural reasons are that they have them. 01:52:34.980 |
But it's better, I think, to listen to people who've had to learn things the hard way and 01:52:41.900 |
What's going wrong?" and then figure out how to fix it so that you can make it go right. 01:52:46.500 |
And I would suggest to you that this is a good place to start. 01:52:49.020 |
I'll link the video in the show notes, but I think it's useful and a good list for you 01:52:53.980 |
I close with just simply the encouragement that I want to leave you with. 01:53:01.740 |
There are good reasons to want to be married. 01:53:04.960 |
You want to be serious about it so that you can get good results, but not obsessed with 01:53:11.180 |
Being obsessed with getting married winds up being creepy. 01:53:17.940 |
That creates a very kind of weird air for men or for women, both across, that winds 01:53:27.620 |
So be serious about it, not obsessed with it. 01:53:30.460 |
The reason to be serious about it is simply that the ease of getting successfully married 01:53:38.060 |
is it's much easier when you are younger and you get better long-term outcomes. 01:53:43.540 |
And people are most likely to not be serious when they are younger. 01:53:48.780 |
And so if you are younger, the best strategy is simply to be serious about it. 01:53:54.460 |
A young man or woman who knows he or she wants to be married and is serious about it, and 01:53:59.820 |
by serious I mean working hard on your own characteristics, meeting people, interacting 01:54:04.880 |
with people, thinking about characteristics, and looking for a very high-quality potential 01:54:10.380 |
spouse, and then being willing to move down the relationship pathway to marriage when 01:54:17.780 |
You'll get the best outcomes for multiple levels. 01:54:20.520 |
You'll get all the benefits of marrying when young in terms of the relationship built together. 01:54:25.380 |
It's easier to marry young because you're not set in your ways, you're able to interact 01:54:30.300 |
As long as you're not getting married too young, you know that this is what you want 01:54:33.840 |
to do, you know that this is the pathway you go down, you have enough life experience not 01:54:37.140 |
to feel like it's a ball and chain or any of that stuff. 01:54:39.800 |
As long as you're ready and you know that, then being married young comes with enormous 01:54:46.560 |
It comes with enormous benefits for your ability to have children, and potentially more than 01:54:51.900 |
It comes with enormous benefits for you in the long term. 01:54:55.260 |
A man who marries young and who has a wife who believes in him and invests into him, 01:55:00.140 |
I think is able generally to advance much more quickly in the world because of the transforming 01:55:09.900 |
And a woman who marries young I think has a great opportunity, as long as she chooses 01:55:14.500 |
someone of good moral character, has a great opportunity to have the best guy that she's 01:55:21.840 |
If she waits longer and she just optimizes for sex for some old professional athlete 01:55:29.180 |
or something like that, then she loses out on the guy who would be the best guy to marry. 01:55:36.020 |
And the whole marriage equation changes for men as they become more attractive and more 01:55:40.540 |
competent and have more money, then a lot of things change as they get older. 01:55:45.100 |
And so it's a very difficult mass of problems to work your way through. 01:55:51.100 |
So optimizing for these things when young is really helpful and important, but not obsessing 01:55:57.540 |
And if you're getting good results and you see that, "Hey, I'm meeting people, I'm generally 01:56:02.040 |
able to attract people who would be a good fit, and it's just a matter of finding the 01:56:05.420 |
right person at the right time of life," just continue what you're doing. 01:56:08.340 |
If you're not getting good results, you're not able to find a suitable or high quality 01:56:13.320 |
potential spouse, or you're not able to attract people into dating relationships, something's 01:56:17.900 |
going wrong, take a hard look and try to figure out where is the problem and identify it. 01:56:23.840 |
Because it will not be easier for you down the road. 01:56:27.100 |
It is not easier when you're older, especially men. 01:56:33.940 |
There is an entirely false idea that is being spread right now for young men. 01:56:41.980 |
The false idea is this, "Well, as a man, you're more attractive to women when you're older 01:56:46.500 |
and wealthier and more established and everything is going well, and so therefore it's no problem. 01:56:51.460 |
You don't need to be serious about getting married. 01:56:55.500 |
This is false, and it will give you a false sense of security if you're not serious about 01:57:02.140 |
Now, it can be something that is a matter of hope. 01:57:05.700 |
At any point in time, a man or woman could marry or can marry. 01:57:12.440 |
As you proceed throughout life, it's good to have that hope alive and say, "What's going 01:57:18.340 |
Again, is it a matter of my attractiveness to an ideal candidate? 01:57:22.420 |
Is it a matter of finding where these people are, or is it a matter of the ability to see 01:57:29.600 |
But young men especially are having this false hope, and they're saying, "Hey, it's going 01:57:36.140 |
This is not true, and it's not true for multiple reasons. 01:57:39.620 |
Yes, you can attract various—you may be able to attract women into a sexual relationship 01:57:46.420 |
In today's world where promiscuity is widely accepted and where it's relatively easy to 01:57:55.340 |
That can be good, but optimizing for marriage is not better when you're older. 01:58:02.180 |
It's harder because there's a bigger age gap. 01:58:04.100 |
It's harder because the most likely marriage candidates are often going to be taken as 01:58:10.300 |
you get older, and it's harder because your experience of life changes, and the amount 01:58:16.220 |
of time that you have to build a long enduring marriage just becomes much more difficult. 01:58:20.380 |
Then even the decision to marry becomes more difficult. 01:58:24.020 |
If you marry when you're young, a lot of times as a man, you generally don't have that much 01:58:30.020 |
If you are able to attract a high-quality woman, I think of it like that she's basically 01:58:36.340 |
She is joining an enterprise that can be great rather than one that is great, and so she's 01:58:45.740 |
It's all about potential, who you might become as a man. 01:58:49.460 |
She can affect you and influence you enormously. 01:58:53.000 |
It is so powerful to have a woman who believes in you and a wife by your side, especially 01:58:59.760 |
If you wait until you are older, number one, there's no guarantee that you'll be old and 01:59:08.420 |
"When I'm 45 years old, I'm going to be a multimillionaire and have a six-pack and live 01:59:12.780 |
on the beach, and I'm going to be dating Joshua's friend from college who's this beautiful 19-year-old 01:59:20.300 |
But there's a decent chance that that doesn't work out at all. 01:59:22.540 |
It's a decent chance that you're completely broke and you declared bankruptcy for the 01:59:25.820 |
second time when you're 45 years old, and now you don't have any of those attractive 01:59:32.420 |
But even if you do, even if you do have those attractive qualities, imagine yourself now 01:59:37.100 |
as a 45-year-old man, multimillionaire, living on the beach, great shape. 01:59:42.220 |
You have access to any woman that you want to for a sexual relationship, but now you 01:59:50.620 |
Are you going to marry a 45-year-old woman like you, who has a similar understanding 01:59:55.580 |
of life and experience in life, but is unable to bear you any children or probably unable 02:00:06.820 |
So now let's imagine, are you going to marry a 30-year-old woman who's 15 years younger 02:00:10.660 |
than you are, but hey, maybe she can have some children and she's younger and that's 02:00:18.100 |
Well, maybe you will, but now what's your financial risk in marriage? 02:00:21.580 |
The first thing you're thinking about when you've got millions of dollars is, "Well, 02:00:25.060 |
she's going to divorce me and take half my money and ruin it," and that's a genuine objection, 02:00:30.900 |
You come to me and I'm going to be talking to you about your prenup, but then are you 02:00:35.860 |
Is she so committed to marriage that it's no problem and it absolutely makes sense? 02:00:39.980 |
And that's to say nothing of finding a 30-year-old that you even want to marry. 02:00:43.220 |
If she's 30 years old and she's not married, it's because she either is not an attractive 02:00:47.460 |
marriage candidate or she's not chosen to optimize for marriage. 02:00:51.220 |
So maybe she's lived the last 12 years of her legal adult life doing something else, 02:00:56.780 |
but in 12 years, an attractive woman wasn't able to get married. 02:01:03.180 |
An attractive woman who wants to marry, who's optimizing for marriage, can marry. 02:01:12.100 |
So I'm going to go back to a 20-year-old and I'm going to marry a 20-year-old. 02:01:21.140 |
You have no shared culture, nothing in common. 02:01:29.280 |
And why would a 20-year-old want to marry you, especially a marriage-minded 20-year-old, 02:01:37.820 |
So don't fall into this false idea that somehow it's all going to be easier when I'm older 02:01:48.200 |
And so if you weren't able to attract someone when you're younger, go back and figure out 02:01:53.080 |
A younger woman who is marriage-minded is going to understand that you're not rich yet, 02:02:03.760 |
but she can see ambition and she can see character and she can rate you on that stuff knowing 02:02:11.580 |
The fact that you're able to get rich at 45 is not generally a surprise to an insightful 02:02:18.360 |
Does this guy have the characteristics that he's likely to do it? 02:02:22.020 |
My point is there is a false idea that is going out there and people are saying, "Well, 02:02:27.300 |
it's just going to be—for men especially—oh, it's easier when you're older." 02:02:31.000 |
And again, there is an element of truth to it in that you may be more attractive when 02:02:36.980 |
That is certainly something that is true, but that doesn't optimize for marriage. 02:02:42.500 |
It may optimize for promiscuity and fornication, and that does not lead you to a happy life. 02:02:48.920 |
Do you really want to go and trade places with Leonardo DiCaprio or Dan Bilzerian? 02:02:56.900 |
Are these guys your role models of where you want to be at 45 years old or 50 years old? 02:03:03.020 |
Dating some 19-year-old model for three years and then sending her down the road to replace 02:03:09.340 |
I think there's an element in which we can all acknowledge that, "All right, well, that 02:03:12.380 |
sounds kind of fun, I guess, but if you stop and listen to them, I'll play an audio here 02:03:18.020 |
I was expecting this for a long time, but I finally got it from Bilzerian," and it just 02:03:25.160 |
By the way, you can separate the money from the lifestyle. 02:03:29.960 |
Would you rather be Pierce Brosnan, married to a woman for decades and have all of that 02:03:37.260 |
shared life experience, or Leonardo DiCaprio, just a pathetic old man with lots of money 02:03:44.320 |
continually cycling through and using young women? 02:03:47.360 |
Let me play you a clip that came out I think about a month ago, and I've expected this 02:03:54.040 |
This clip is important for us to listen to from some of these guys and understand you 02:04:01.100 |
Minor parental warning here, this clip is a little bit vulgar, but it's important. 02:04:06.060 |
Here's just a clip from a recent podcast interview with Dan Bilzerian. 02:04:11.620 |
How many women have you slept with in your life total? 02:04:19.060 |
20,000 is a bit ambitious, but I mean, like I said, I was having sex with three girls 02:04:27.420 |
If I only had sex with two girls in a day, that was like we're having some real off day 02:04:33.860 |
Some days four, sometimes whatever, five, seven. 02:04:47.740 |
Ten some, or ten some, I guess, you count yourself, ten some. 02:04:55.620 |
It's just like having sex with one girl, they're just waiting. 02:04:59.300 |
There's a lot of obligation for you to have sex with nine girls. 02:05:04.140 |
I had this image in my mind when I was growing up of how awesome this would be. 02:05:09.660 |
What I kind of landed on was I think it's better to have a monogamous relationship. 02:05:12.940 |
As strange as that is coming from me, because I think if ... You've got two choices. 02:05:20.500 |
You can just do whatever you want and be free and allow the women to be free and just use 02:05:25.700 |
condoms with all the girls and not care about if they hook up with other guys and it's just 02:05:29.300 |
like purely sexual and whatever, or I think you can find a girl that you enjoy spending 02:05:35.580 |
time with and that you actually trust each other. 02:05:38.940 |
I think it's hard to have that ... I'm not saying it's impossible, but I think it's unlikely 02:05:46.300 |
to find a woman that is going to be okay with you sleeping with other women that actually 02:05:54.980 |
If you find a bisexual, very open, whatever, I'm not saying it's impossible. 02:06:02.380 |
I also think that even if the girl is okay with it, I think that you cause internal damage 02:06:08.580 |
to her and I found that with Andrea and it didn't feel good to me, but like I said, I 02:06:15.220 |
do think that one cool girl that does stuff with you that you actually have a mental connection 02:06:25.580 |
I think you have less things to deal with, less distractions. 02:06:29.500 |
Your energy is not being pulled in a bunch of different directions. 02:06:32.340 |
That's one of the complications of polyamory is the amount of logistics that you have to 02:06:37.380 |
like if you're in relationship in some way, even if there's like a hierarchy to the polyamory, 02:06:42.360 |
you have like six different schedules you have to manage. 02:06:50.180 |
You have to do like 30 or 50 or 100 or whatever, or you have to ... I don't know. 02:06:55.660 |
In my opinion, I think the one, but I really don't like the dynamic of three girls. 02:07:01.860 |
I think it's like guaranteed to cause competition. 02:07:07.140 |
Maybe two could work if they were into each other, maybe, but then if you're just hanging 02:07:11.780 |
out with one, the other one's just sitting there. 02:07:14.580 |
I haven't found too many dynamics that were super successful long term. 02:07:18.740 |
Short term, I have, but not for any like indefinite period of time. 02:07:28.860 |
Again, not everyone, there are wackos who don't ever get introspective like Bilzerian, 02:07:36.860 |
And you don't want to be a sociopath, but all non-sociopaths that go down that pathway, 02:07:42.940 |
that Bilzerian or DiCaprio or whatever, eventually they wind up in a similar situation. 02:07:50.100 |
But you don't see that reflected in other people. 02:07:52.300 |
So in summary, don't be the guy who just says, "Well, it's going to be easier when I'm older 02:08:11.360 |
What you want to do is marry the right woman, a high quality woman at a young age, if possible. 02:08:20.900 |
So you want to be serious about preparing yourself to be able to attract her at a young 02:08:25.180 |
age and then move into marriage at a young age. 02:08:29.060 |
And if you can get both of those things right, you can choose a high quality woman because 02:08:34.540 |
you were thoughtful and careful in your analysis and you chose someone that was optimized for 02:08:39.420 |
marriage rather than optimized for some other factor. 02:08:43.340 |
And you marry at a young age, that's when you get the best long-term outcomes. 02:08:47.600 |
So be serious about it and recognize that we don't want to get into a situation in which 02:08:52.220 |
we feel pressure, "I just got to marry whoever's available." 02:08:57.260 |
There are lies that are told to women consistently and repeatedly. 02:09:00.960 |
The most common one that is happening right now is that there's always time, you always 02:09:06.740 |
have time, you always have time, and that's simply not true. 02:09:10.280 |
And there are lies that are told to men and those lies are emerging. 02:09:16.100 |
And the way to optimize is as I have described, take it seriously, not obsessively, don't 02:09:21.300 |
be a weirdo, but recognize that you can change yourself. 02:09:25.020 |
You can optimize your personal qualities to be attractive to your ideal spouse candidate. 02:09:30.540 |
You can go out and you can interact with and meet many potential spouses in a forum or 02:09:35.260 |
format that's appropriate for you and one of those relationships with a high-quality 02:09:43.540 |
Even though it may be difficult or more demanding in our current era and we need some kind of 02:09:47.760 |
weird long two-hour and ten-minute podcast about it that we wouldn't have needed 80 years 02:09:53.300 |
ago, it's still possible and it's still doable. 02:09:57.260 |
So I've done the podcast, now you have to do the hard work and I wish you well. 02:10:03.780 |
I want to see our culture optimize again towards preparing young people to be ready for marriage 02:10:08.480 |
at a young age, build strong families that endure. 02:10:11.460 |
I want you to have a 70-year, an 80-year, a 90-year marriage. 02:10:15.500 |
I want our children to see that and for us to establish that and create those kinds of 02:10:21.140 |
long-enduring families rather than the kind of situations that we see around us. 02:10:27.260 |
I hope that this has been a useful way for you to think through some of these issues. 02:10:33.420 |
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