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00:00:31.300 | My name is Joshua Sheets, and today on the show,
00:00:32.880 | I'd like to give you just a quick personal report
00:00:34.880 | on the recently concluded inaugural
00:00:38.640 | Radical Personal Finance Family Camp.
00:00:41.480 | Been about a week and a half now
00:00:42.720 | since we wrapped up the inaugural RPF Family Camp
00:00:46.200 | in Seymour, Indiana,
00:00:48.060 | and I wanted just to share with you publicly
00:00:50.120 | a little bit about it.
00:00:51.440 | Some of you were able to come,
00:00:52.440 | but of course many of you weren't able to come,
00:00:54.400 | and I thought I owe you,
00:00:56.080 | since I talked to you and told you
00:00:57.240 | it was gonna be happening,
00:00:58.440 | I wanted to give you a public report
00:01:00.560 | and just share with you a little bit about the event
00:01:02.500 | and how it went.
00:01:03.940 | Put simply, I was enormously satisfied with the event.
00:01:08.480 | Hosting an in-person, what I call a family camp,
00:01:11.560 | hosting an in-person event in the way that we did it
00:01:14.200 | is something that I have wanted to do for a very long time.
00:01:17.240 | It's my basic working hypothesis
00:01:20.040 | that going forward in the coming years,
00:01:23.440 | the best and most satisfying relationships
00:01:27.440 | are going to be those that exploit all of the wonder
00:01:30.620 | and goodness and usefulness and convenience
00:01:34.280 | and just fantasticness of digital connectivity,
00:01:39.200 | as well as all of the wonderful fantasticness
00:01:43.060 | of in-person relationships.
00:01:45.680 | The trend that I've observed for quite a while
00:01:47.680 | is that it's very difficult to run effectively
00:01:52.740 | an all-virtual company.
00:01:54.820 | It's possible.
00:01:55.740 | You may run a department and be leading a team
00:01:58.780 | of a dozen computer coders and engineers
00:02:01.380 | spread out all around the world,
00:02:02.640 | and you can do that sort of effectively
00:02:05.080 | from many different places,
00:02:06.420 | but it's really hard to do that effectively
00:02:09.560 | if you're not building in-person relationships,
00:02:12.940 | real in-person relationships.
00:02:15.980 | On the other hand, it's difficult sometimes
00:02:17.900 | for us to be completely surrounded at all times
00:02:20.580 | with the kind of people that we'd like to be together
00:02:22.720 | with in physical space at all times.
00:02:25.940 | We all have different reasons why we live where we live,
00:02:28.300 | and it can be hard to find like-minded people
00:02:31.040 | in a local area.
00:02:33.060 | And so I believe that the best possible outcome
00:02:36.760 | for us going forward in the future
00:02:38.520 | is to try to maximize both of these things.
00:02:41.480 | And so if you're running a company or a department
00:02:44.400 | where you have people spread out around the world,
00:02:46.860 | I think your best practice would generally be
00:02:49.980 | to at least a couple times a year
00:02:52.380 | bring your entire team together for several days,
00:02:55.500 | enough time to engage in real activities,
00:02:58.900 | real business, real productive meetings,
00:03:01.820 | but also lots of time just to hang out
00:03:03.600 | in a casual unstructured format.
00:03:06.460 | And that's something that I,
00:03:08.780 | that's a principle that I think also applies
00:03:11.340 | to what I've wanted to do at Radical Personal Finance.
00:03:14.740 | For a long time, I've had a dream and a vision
00:03:17.220 | of bringing together like-minded people
00:03:20.340 | who want to just spend time together,
00:03:23.300 | want to build friendships and relationships.
00:03:25.140 | And I think that having something like this show
00:03:28.860 | that allows a good form of connectedness
00:03:32.180 | is an ideal way to advance ideas,
00:03:35.460 | create thought-provoking content,
00:03:38.940 | teach people effectively about certain things,
00:03:41.260 | but that we should go the next step forward
00:03:44.060 | and bring people together in person.
00:03:46.540 | Unfortunately, while it's been my dream
00:03:48.220 | for a significant amount of time,
00:03:50.860 | my wife and I have been busy
00:03:51.860 | with a bunch of little babies in our house.
00:03:53.660 | And due to the demands of taking care of babies,
00:03:56.100 | it just wasn't something that I've been able
00:03:57.980 | to effectively accomplish.
00:03:59.900 | If we were to go all the way back to 2017,
00:04:03.420 | I started, actually about 2014,
00:04:06.240 | I started meeting up with people at events
00:04:08.720 | that I would go to.
00:04:09.980 | Then again, we started to have a few babies
00:04:12.420 | and I stopped going to so many events.
00:04:14.700 | And then after that, we traveled across the country in 2018.
00:04:19.300 | And one of the dreams that I had of that trip
00:04:21.480 | was to host meetups everywhere we went.
00:04:23.220 | I was gonna go from city to city to city.
00:04:24.900 | We were gonna have our RV and we were gonna host meetups.
00:04:27.620 | As it turns out, we did it a few times,
00:04:29.820 | but it was simply too difficult
00:04:32.180 | to figure out the logistics of it.
00:04:34.300 | And it was also difficult when coming together
00:04:36.820 | for a meetup of just say a three or four hour event,
00:04:39.860 | it was difficult for there to be enough time
00:04:42.020 | for me to interact effectively with the listener,
00:04:44.820 | with all of you in the way that I really enjoy.
00:04:47.860 | I want to interact with people,
00:04:50.020 | but it's difficult to do it in an environment
00:04:52.860 | where let's say I'm there for two or three hours
00:04:56.860 | and there's 20, 30, 40 people.
00:04:59.220 | That leads to just doing the math,
00:05:01.000 | a conversation of two or three or four or five minutes each.
00:05:03.940 | And I've done that in many cities around the United States
00:05:06.180 | and just found that I really love meeting people,
00:05:08.340 | but it's hard to have the kind of connection
00:05:10.620 | that I would like to have
00:05:11.940 | of being able to spend a few days together.
00:05:15.140 | And so one of the goals that I've had
00:05:17.100 | as we've been getting out of Babyville
00:05:18.940 | and I've been able to get things squared away
00:05:21.980 | to where I can travel again and I can do this kind of thing,
00:05:26.980 | one of the goals that I've had
00:05:28.060 | is to do more in-person events.
00:05:29.660 | And it started with the event that I did in Panama
00:05:32.420 | a few months ago with Mikel Thorup.
00:05:34.300 | That was fantastic.
00:05:35.660 | Really loved getting to know my listeners that came
00:05:38.040 | and we were able to hang out together
00:05:39.660 | for almost a week on a pretty deep level.
00:05:42.180 | And just all the time together was great.
00:05:44.180 | We did all kinds of events and presentations and classes,
00:05:47.280 | but more importantly or more fun,
00:05:48.960 | we just go for cocktails on the rooftop at Casco Viejo
00:05:52.140 | or go and travel on the bus together.
00:05:54.780 | And it gave us time to talk about anything and everything
00:05:57.080 | and really get to know one another.
00:05:58.300 | And it was a really, a really wonderful experience for me
00:06:01.880 | and a really wonderful experience for all of my listeners
00:06:06.400 | who came to that event.
00:06:07.560 | And so then I was excited to follow that up
00:06:09.240 | with the Radical Personal Finance Family Camp,
00:06:11.040 | because one of the challenges simply
00:06:13.840 | is that I don't want my business life to be isolated
00:06:17.480 | and for me to go away and do my business thing
00:06:19.880 | and leave my family behind.
00:06:21.560 | One of the reasons I always had for building
00:06:23.840 | the kind of business that I run
00:06:25.440 | is to have something like a family integrated business.
00:06:28.320 | While I will always do the main work,
00:06:31.800 | I want to use my business as a strategic part of my life
00:06:36.360 | and lifestyle and family.
00:06:37.720 | I want my wife to be involved with it.
00:06:39.720 | I want her to be able to have opportunities
00:06:42.720 | to express her skills and talents
00:06:44.760 | in the context of business.
00:06:46.120 | I want my children to be able to be involved
00:06:47.900 | with my business.
00:06:48.880 | I want my business to be something that gives us a platform
00:06:53.040 | for them to learn important skills that are necessary
00:06:55.400 | for their long-term growth and their success.
00:06:58.120 | I, of course, want to use my business
00:06:59.880 | to pay all of the relevant people
00:07:01.700 | and enjoy some of the tax benefits that can come
00:07:03.580 | from hiring family members, employees,
00:07:06.800 | and all of that stuff too.
00:07:07.920 | But more importantly, it's just the training aspects for me.
00:07:10.920 | I don't think that children should be segregated
00:07:13.080 | from society and locked away in armed compounds
00:07:18.080 | where they're just separated from society.
00:07:19.920 | I think that the natural place for children
00:07:23.920 | and young people is to be integrated into society
00:07:26.960 | in an age-diffuse way where they're interacting
00:07:31.500 | with people of their own age
00:07:32.680 | and also people of varying ages, younger, older.
00:07:35.280 | I think that's the healthiest environment
00:07:37.400 | for human beings to be in.
00:07:39.200 | And so for me, my business has always formed
00:07:42.320 | an important part of my plan to do that.
00:07:45.760 | It's just that it's hard to do that with babies.
00:07:47.600 | You've got to get out of baby stage.
00:07:49.240 | So Radical Personal Finance Family Camp was, for me,
00:07:52.660 | just an enormously important part of my long-term plan
00:07:56.480 | and enormously important part of what I wanted to do.
00:07:59.960 | It never would have happened, however,
00:08:02.360 | if it weren't for a long-time listener to the show
00:08:05.640 | and personal friend of mine
00:08:08.280 | who basically took away all my excuses.
00:08:11.800 | I told the story,
00:08:12.640 | and I'm not gonna tell the story here publicly
00:08:14.120 | 'cause I told it at the camp,
00:08:15.320 | and we'll leave some things for it.
00:08:16.560 | But a friend of mine basically arranged all the details
00:08:19.680 | and said, "Joshua, I think we should do a camp,
00:08:21.320 | "and I've made it easy for you."
00:08:22.920 | And he made it so easy for me, I couldn't say no.
00:08:25.360 | What we didn't know, however, going into the camp
00:08:27.600 | was exactly what to offer.
00:08:30.320 | As you might guess and understand,
00:08:33.040 | when you're gonna create something,
00:08:34.440 | you have to offer something to the market
00:08:36.180 | and see what the market says to it.
00:08:38.280 | And you can do customer research, you can do surveys,
00:08:41.920 | you can talk to people, but at the end of the day,
00:08:43.960 | it's hard to understand exactly what the market wants
00:08:47.620 | until you offer it and see who buys and see what happens.
00:08:51.640 | And even if you can do great customer research
00:08:55.840 | about what people want,
00:08:57.800 | in reality, you still have to go through the process
00:09:00.320 | of creating something, offering it to the market,
00:09:03.000 | and seeing what people actually pay for.
00:09:05.000 | Because sometimes what people say they want
00:09:07.080 | and then what they really want are different,
00:09:10.320 | and you know that based upon people who click buy
00:09:13.800 | and send you money.
00:09:16.000 | I think it was Henry Ford who said,
00:09:17.460 | "If I'd asked the people what they wanted,
00:09:18.640 | "they would have all said a faster horse."
00:09:20.760 | Sometimes we don't know exactly what we want.
00:09:23.400 | So in creating this camp, what our idea was
00:09:27.200 | was to create an event that would focus
00:09:29.560 | on bringing people together to build relationships,
00:09:32.400 | but then would also provide some justification
00:09:35.520 | of excuses for being together in order and structure
00:09:38.880 | for the events.
00:09:41.120 | So we came up with the idea
00:09:43.160 | of basically a four-day, three-night event,
00:09:45.300 | starting on Thursday, going through till Sunday.
00:09:48.840 | And we tried to put together a diverse track of activities.
00:09:53.760 | So I taught some classes on finance,
00:09:56.280 | tried to keep it somewhat general and broad
00:09:59.600 | so that I would have the ability to respond
00:10:01.280 | to the questions that were in the room.
00:10:02.920 | Rather than making this,
00:10:03.800 | I didn't create a hyper-specialized tax seminars
00:10:06.920 | or hyper-specialized asset protection seminar.
00:10:10.320 | Just tried to keep it broad and inclusive
00:10:12.880 | so that I could respond to whatever was in the room
00:10:15.280 | and questions that were there.
00:10:16.920 | Then we put together what we called a lifestyle track.
00:10:19.320 | And what we were imagining is wanting to build
00:10:21.680 | something that would be appealing to families.
00:10:23.720 | So I was imagining that if your relationships,
00:10:27.080 | your relationship with your wife or husband
00:10:29.360 | is anything like mine,
00:10:30.640 | I'm interested in finance and my wife, not so much.
00:10:33.060 | And so we thought, well, how could we create something
00:10:35.440 | that would be appealing to couples
00:10:37.200 | where one person is interested in one thing
00:10:39.280 | and the other person interested in something else?
00:10:41.120 | And so we created what we called a lifestyle track.
00:10:43.880 | And we tried to come up with a list of seminars and classes
00:10:48.880 | that would be appealing to different people
00:10:52.200 | based upon the kinds of things that are appealing to me
00:10:55.240 | and the kinds of things that I talk about
00:10:56.720 | and figuring that you guys are probably something like me
00:10:59.340 | and interested in similar things.
00:11:02.400 | Then we tried to create something
00:11:04.000 | that would be attractive for people of varying ages.
00:11:06.120 | So of course, I'm middle-aged
00:11:08.600 | and we have some things that were helpful
00:11:10.560 | for middle-aged and older people.
00:11:12.160 | Then we tried to create some stuff for younger people.
00:11:15.040 | We wound up having a wonderful teenage entrepreneur
00:11:17.700 | who has created a very successful business.
00:11:22.000 | Come and make presentations
00:11:23.440 | and that was of special interest
00:11:25.720 | to our teens and young people.
00:11:27.520 | And then we created all kinds of camp activities
00:11:29.960 | for younger children.
00:11:31.680 | Because the way that we hosted this particular event
00:11:34.000 | was that I rented an entire basically church camp facility.
00:11:38.040 | Little bit in the off season, it was springtime.
00:11:42.040 | So it was kind of a guess
00:11:44.400 | of what the weather would turn out to be.
00:11:46.240 | But that was when we were able to get the facility.
00:11:48.640 | So it worked out really well.
00:11:50.640 | And I'm just thankful to you guys.
00:11:52.840 | The first entire camp that we had rented,
00:11:56.440 | the first entire thing sold out in less than a week.
00:11:58.760 | It was six days and I sold the last one,
00:12:01.500 | last spot that we had available,
00:12:03.000 | which was just amazingly encouraging to me
00:12:06.880 | to see your response,
00:12:08.280 | to see that you were willing to come and sign up.
00:12:11.380 | So I went back to the facility
00:12:12.840 | and I was able to negotiate another about 15 rooms
00:12:16.720 | and cabins on top of the initial one that I had done.
00:12:20.520 | And then we sold those out in about another week as well.
00:12:24.040 | So it turns out the total number of attendees
00:12:26.400 | was just north of 160.
00:12:28.200 | I forget if it was 161 or 163, something like that.
00:12:30.680 | Just a little bit more than 160,
00:12:33.000 | which I thought was a great size for this event.
00:12:36.880 | I was able to spend time with just about everybody
00:12:40.160 | for at least various conversations, which I really loved.
00:12:46.160 | And it turned out really, really well.
00:12:50.300 | The thing that the first couple of days
00:12:52.040 | we had cold and rainy weather.
00:12:53.320 | And so thankfully we had to adapt our schedule a little bit,
00:12:55.680 | but that all worked out.
00:12:56.640 | Then it turned warm and sunny and beautiful
00:12:58.360 | in the last couple of days, which was wonderful.
00:13:01.180 | And the feedback from every attendee was really positive.
00:13:06.180 | We issued a survey at the end of the event
00:13:12.240 | and about 70%, when we asked people,
00:13:15.960 | would you come next time?
00:13:17.060 | Yes, maybe, and no.
00:13:19.160 | About 70% of the people said yes.
00:13:21.520 | The about remaining 30%, about 28% or whatever it turned out
00:13:25.680 | said maybe, depending on where it is in details.
00:13:28.780 | And then we had one no,
00:13:29.960 | which the no had a wonderful note that said,
00:13:31.840 | "I really loved it.
00:13:32.680 | "I had a great time.
00:13:33.500 | "It was just too far away."
00:13:34.800 | Which was totally, of course, totally wonderful.
00:13:37.840 | And people came from all around the country,
00:13:40.120 | which was just an amazing, what an honor.
00:13:46.560 | And I think everybody had a great time.
00:13:49.440 | The thing that I found most interesting
00:13:53.600 | was how everyone seemed to click really well,
00:13:58.600 | even people of very diverse backgrounds.
00:14:02.320 | I was so pleased to see that probably due to the filtration
00:14:07.320 | of you being willing to listen to me,
00:14:11.520 | we just had the nicest group of people
00:14:15.320 | who were able to come together and engage with one another.
00:14:19.760 | And so people had many things in common,
00:14:22.480 | but even if we didn't have many things in common,
00:14:24.800 | other than just simply being connected through this platform
00:14:28.720 | through Radical Personal Finance,
00:14:30.560 | we found commonality in our ability
00:14:33.440 | to engage in important things
00:14:35.720 | and engage in important conversations.
00:14:38.280 | There was just such an attitude of respect
00:14:41.120 | and appreciation for other human beings
00:14:44.800 | and I found it enormously refreshing.
00:14:47.560 | We talked, we had conversations about all different stuff.
00:14:51.600 | Obviously some stuff finance, some stuff lifestyle related,
00:14:56.120 | plenty of just personal interactions.
00:14:58.440 | And my listeners, you all had just wonderful things
00:15:01.280 | to say to me, which I really was grateful for.
00:15:03.760 | But what I really enjoyed was seeing how
00:15:08.260 | within a very short period of time,
00:15:10.520 | within a day or two, as I would dip in and out
00:15:13.960 | of different conversations and different campfire circles,
00:15:17.440 | I found that we were interacting with one another
00:15:21.120 | on serious things and really getting the benefit
00:15:25.480 | of real true diversity.
00:15:28.480 | And that's something that I feel is so often lacking
00:15:31.320 | in our world today.
00:15:33.240 | I have an annoyance with the way that the word diversity
00:15:37.080 | has come to be used in our current environment.
00:15:43.000 | In its current usage, the term diversity means basically
00:15:47.880 | what color is your skin and what is your gender expression.
00:15:52.880 | That's about the limit of diversity
00:15:56.520 | as it's understood today.
00:15:58.960 | I don't care much myself for that kind of diversity.
00:16:02.920 | I don't think the color of your skin
00:16:04.840 | or your gender really matters.
00:16:07.360 | I think what's much more important is the diversity
00:16:10.440 | of your thoughts, your ideas, your background,
00:16:13.840 | your experiences, those kinds of things
00:16:16.040 | are the kind of diversity that I think
00:16:17.440 | is genuinely productive.
00:16:19.360 | And it was just such a great expression
00:16:23.240 | of people from diverse backgrounds and diverse experiences,
00:16:28.240 | but yet shared with a very common desire
00:16:33.120 | to improve things, improve the world and see things better.
00:16:37.760 | And I was amazed, I mean, put frankly,
00:16:42.240 | it's a good thing that I'm grateful
00:16:45.800 | that so many of you listen to this show.
00:16:47.560 | And honestly, I wonder sometimes why you do
00:16:49.760 | because so many of my listeners
00:16:51.760 | are just incredibly impressive people.
00:16:54.560 | And that came out in the actual event,
00:16:58.920 | just time over and time over.
00:17:00.920 | I made several friends there among my listeners
00:17:04.160 | and attendees that I hope are friends for life.
00:17:07.080 | And I'm just incredibly impressed by you guys.
00:17:11.720 | You guys are smart, driven people,
00:17:13.880 | and it's just an honor to be involved with you.
00:17:17.720 | So it was, if the event could have gone better,
00:17:21.080 | I don't know how.
00:17:22.640 | We had some various wrinkles and things,
00:17:25.680 | but that was all first time learnings.
00:17:28.280 | I think for the most part, we smoothed,
00:17:32.080 | everything worked out.
00:17:35.000 | The worst thing that was about to happen
00:17:36.680 | was I had made a mistake.
00:17:37.960 | I was the one who'd made all the bedroom assignments
00:17:39.920 | and cabin assignments.
00:17:41.520 | And it was a little bit of a puzzle
00:17:43.040 | to try to figure out how to put people together
00:17:44.720 | because I had this two facilities
00:17:46.760 | that were separated by a significant walk.
00:17:51.760 | And so I was trying to figure out how do I do it?
00:17:56.200 | I'm trying to pack everyone together
00:17:57.720 | and trying to put like, and I tried to put,
00:18:00.080 | I was hoping that we could use the camp environment
00:18:03.320 | to facilitate interaction.
00:18:05.160 | So unlike being in some hotel
00:18:07.760 | where everyone goes off to their own room,
00:18:09.360 | I really liked the idea of a camp environment.
00:18:11.280 | This camp was beautiful.
00:18:12.160 | It was great.
00:18:13.000 | It was modern up to date, but it was still a camp.
00:18:15.280 | It was a little bit, it was rustic.
00:18:17.000 | It's a camp, but it's a recently built camp
00:18:19.200 | and perfectly adequate facilities.
00:18:21.440 | So no one was really suffering.
00:18:23.640 | So I worked really hard to try to put people together
00:18:26.040 | where it would be easy for them to use communal areas
00:18:29.760 | and hopefully make friends with people around them
00:18:32.520 | and all of that.
00:18:34.480 | Then at check-in, everything's going really well.
00:18:37.680 | Everyone's getting all settled in
00:18:39.400 | and I had worked out the rooms to just perfectly.
00:18:43.080 | I sold the exact maximum number of tickets that I could.
00:18:46.200 | And then I get there and a family arrives
00:18:48.080 | that I don't have a cabin for.
00:18:51.080 | And I just didn't even have them on my list.
00:18:53.480 | It was a moment of potential disaster,
00:18:56.720 | but thankfully I was able to avert it
00:18:58.960 | and made one quick change,
00:19:01.320 | two quick changes of room assignments
00:19:03.840 | and everything worked out.
00:19:05.280 | So there were growing pains
00:19:06.840 | and there were other issues that came up,
00:19:08.840 | but on the whole, it worked out really, really beautifully.
00:19:11.880 | And I was enormously encouraged by that.
00:19:15.840 | So I just share that as a report.
00:19:17.600 | I'm not publishing videos or audios
00:19:19.960 | or anything from the event.
00:19:22.080 | I really want to, I have the privilege
00:19:25.280 | of being able to speak to you with a microphone
00:19:26.880 | whenever I want and I can turn on a camera whenever I want.
00:19:29.640 | And I really think that in many cases,
00:19:33.160 | electronic eyes around us mess up real human connection.
00:19:38.160 | And so I don't wanna, I'm not trying to create something
00:19:41.040 | that this particular event was not designed
00:19:43.120 | to be anything that was live streamed.
00:19:45.200 | I'm not sharing any of the audio publicly.
00:19:47.600 | It was a real interactions with people who were there.
00:19:50.800 | So what does the future hold?
00:19:53.200 | Well, I would say this was certainly the inaugural event
00:19:56.800 | and I will certainly repeat this event in the future.
00:19:59.800 | I'm trying to figure out exactly how to do that
00:20:02.760 | in balancing future events.
00:20:05.240 | There's basically three things that I'm trying to juggle.
00:20:08.960 | The first one is simply what the actual offering is.
00:20:13.360 | So we, this one that I'm referring to here
00:20:16.040 | was the Radical Personal Finance Family Camp.
00:20:18.120 | I made it very friendly to families
00:20:20.400 | and it provided the kind of environment
00:20:22.480 | that I was excited about.
00:20:23.680 | Not only was it you and your families,
00:20:25.720 | but I was able to bring my wife, my children, my parents,
00:20:29.200 | various members of my nuclear and extended family.
00:20:32.480 | And so that interaction of my family with your family
00:20:36.000 | was something that I thought
00:20:37.160 | was just a wonderful aspect of it.
00:20:39.880 | Then the previous one in Panama was not friendly to families
00:20:42.840 | and that was purely an adult's trip,
00:20:45.040 | which was also really great in a totally different way.
00:20:48.280 | So there's a balance between a family camp
00:20:50.960 | versus an adult's event.
00:20:52.640 | There's a balance between an event
00:20:54.800 | that is at a camp facility where it's a little bit rustic,
00:20:58.280 | very basic versus something that's higher end.
00:21:01.200 | So there's a difference between
00:21:03.960 | what I tried to do with this event,
00:21:05.280 | which was talk a little bit, but not too much,
00:21:08.000 | and teach a little bit, not too much
00:21:09.600 | versus something that's very content focused,
00:21:12.080 | oriented on a specific transformational event of content
00:21:16.320 | of come here and in two days,
00:21:17.780 | we're gonna accomplish this specific outcome
00:21:20.720 | or teach this body of material
00:21:23.040 | that's very applicable to people.
00:21:25.120 | So that's one thing is the exact just offering.
00:21:28.800 | The second thing is balancing a location.
00:21:31.760 | So this location was in Indiana,
00:21:33.760 | which in some cases is centrally located,
00:21:36.440 | but it wasn't the easiest thing to get to.
00:21:38.040 | It was easy in terms of airports.
00:21:40.520 | We had, it was equidistant from Indianapolis,
00:21:43.440 | Louisville and Cincinnati,
00:21:45.000 | but it wasn't the easiest thing to get to
00:21:48.200 | in terms of people.
00:21:49.440 | And so there's a much higher population density
00:21:53.560 | in other parts of the United States.
00:21:54.840 | So should I do events in other parts of the United States?
00:21:57.720 | I still really appreciate the international aspect of life,
00:22:02.360 | but I understand that that's not something
00:22:04.000 | that resonates with everyone in the show.
00:22:07.920 | So kind of balancing that coming where you are
00:22:11.600 | versus trying to pull you outside of the United States
00:22:13.740 | and do enjoy things outside of the United States,
00:22:17.360 | and then balancing just frequency
00:22:19.160 | and figuring out what I can do in terms of frequency
00:22:24.160 | versus what's too much, what's not enough.
00:22:27.540 | Certainly I will make the,
00:22:30.120 | certainly I intend to make
00:22:31.520 | the Radical Personal Finance Camp an annual event.
00:22:34.960 | Beyond that, I don't wanna make any public commitments.
00:22:38.080 | Hosting an event is a pretty big disruption
00:22:40.440 | in terms of the work associated with it.
00:22:44.440 | It's enormous.
00:22:45.640 | I found it to be an enormously profitable event
00:22:49.000 | that didn't make any money.
00:22:50.960 | So the profit was all non-financial.
00:22:54.080 | And so finding that balance between financial profit
00:22:56.820 | as compared to other forms of profit
00:22:59.400 | is a balance as well, and figuring those things out.
00:23:02.800 | So bear with me as we go through the growing pains.
00:23:05.360 | We'll work out some of these things over time.
00:23:07.760 | But at its core, for me, the event was very, very important
00:23:12.760 | to build a connection with you in person
00:23:17.960 | and then go from there.
00:23:21.200 | We've created, in the wake of the in-person event,
00:23:25.320 | with those personal relationships,
00:23:28.060 | we've created a really great group
00:23:30.340 | with lots of digital interaction
00:23:32.360 | where those of us who attended the event
00:23:34.540 | are continuing our interactions.
00:23:36.140 | And I'm finding that to be really, really productive
00:23:39.140 | and helpful as well.
00:23:40.580 | Because once you've met someone,
00:23:43.540 | once you've spent a couple nights
00:23:44.700 | around a campfire with someone,
00:23:46.420 | once you've shared a few drinks with someone
00:23:48.060 | and a few laughs and a tear or two in private,
00:23:50.860 | then it gives you then the ability to go on
00:23:53.760 | and feel much more confident,
00:23:55.540 | especially in a closed electronic setting,
00:23:57.820 | sharing your questions, sharing your concerns in a real way
00:24:01.220 | that with your friends,
00:24:03.540 | rather than random people on the internet,
00:24:06.020 | which is, I think, what we're all looking for.
00:24:10.180 | So I just wanna say thank you.
00:24:11.340 | Thank you to those of you who came and who worked with it.
00:24:15.100 | Thank you especially to Andy who helped me organize it.
00:24:17.820 | Thank you to every one of you who came.
00:24:21.300 | It was an honor to interact with you.
00:24:23.740 | And I'm thrilled for the friendships that we have begun.
00:24:26.660 | And thank you to every one of you who listens.
00:24:28.860 | I hope that I can offer you something in the future
00:24:31.740 | that will be appealing to you.
00:24:33.540 | And regardless of whether you are able to come
00:24:37.100 | to one of my events or not,
00:24:38.840 | I would just encourage you to do everything you can
00:24:42.260 | to expand your social contacts, build friendships,
00:24:45.660 | build community in your local area.
00:24:47.700 | We need it right now.
00:24:48.940 | All of us need friends.
00:24:50.700 | We need people who will walk with us and encourage us,
00:24:53.220 | who can teach us, who can inspire us.
00:24:55.420 | And they're right around you.
00:24:58.380 | It's just a matter of you reaching out to them
00:25:00.360 | and looking for them.
00:25:01.940 | I really believe that every person
00:25:04.260 | is my superior in some way.
00:25:07.740 | You are my superior in some way.
00:25:10.380 | And I'm your superior in some way.
00:25:12.700 | And a healthy, productive relationship can be built
00:25:17.420 | upon you and my looking for that interaction.
00:25:22.980 | And searching it out.
00:25:24.660 | And we can walk together in a very productive relationship
00:25:29.300 | as long as we take the effort to initiate them.
00:25:31.780 | So thank you very much.
00:25:32.660 | That's my report on Radical Personal Finance Family Camp
00:25:35.340 | on the inaugural one.
00:25:36.340 | And I look forward to seeing you at a future event.
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