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Well, ladies and gentlemen, exciting times to be alive. 00:00:04.960 |
Welcome to Radical Personal Finance, a show dedicated to helping you live a rich and meaningful 00:00:09.440 |
life now while building a plan for financial freedom in 10 years or less, although lately 00:00:14.880 |
it's kind of turned into COVID central around here. 00:00:21.080 |
I've actually tried three times in the last couple of days to record a couple of the shows 00:00:27.120 |
and for a variety of reasons I have not been able to get it done. 00:00:33.600 |
Had a great meetup with a bunch of listeners last night and anyway, I sat down and did 00:00:38.800 |
a couple of shows and I got several times into it. 00:00:43.280 |
But this evening I felt like I got to turn the mic on. 00:00:45.920 |
So it's late at night here on Wednesday, March 11, 2020 and it's been a momentous day and 00:00:56.240 |
And so I wanted to just to get on the microphone, share with you a few ideas specifically about 00:01:01.360 |
the flu pandemic, the emerging COVID-19 pandemic. 00:01:06.240 |
It's going to get worse before it gets better, but I'm going to try to give you some positive 00:01:12.920 |
And then I'll try to give you just a few ideas on economics, but I will continue to talk 00:01:19.600 |
Certainly things are being affected left, right and center all over the place. 00:01:27.720 |
This evening, President Trump announced that the United States is, in addition to banning 00:01:34.280 |
South Korea and China, the United States is banning travelers from Europe, except the 00:01:44.000 |
Evidently, Tom Hanks and his wife have been diagnosed with COVID-19. 00:01:50.200 |
Just this evening, the NBA canceled the season. 00:01:54.960 |
I pulled up a little clip on YouTube of there was a game with the Jazz and some of the team 00:02:02.160 |
getting ready to start and all of a sudden right at the beginning, all the officials 00:02:05.680 |
are talking to one another and they canceled the game right before tip off. 00:02:17.880 |
Stocks are, I think, officially in bear territory now, in a bear market. 00:02:26.280 |
And it seems like, I'll just tell you, just getting started, but it seems like the pace 00:02:34.820 |
I've got, I sit in a hotel room, I've got Bloomberg Business on right now watching the 00:02:39.980 |
headlines come in minute after minute from all around the world. 00:02:43.680 |
And certainly, these are, it's one of those crisis periods where things are happening. 00:02:48.720 |
People's browsing around the social networks a little bit and it seems like there's a great 00:02:54.200 |
So that's a very significant need for a lot of people. 00:02:57.840 |
So it is remarkable just to see how fast things are changing. 00:03:03.000 |
I don't know if there has been ever any, I don't know if there's ever been political 00:03:14.280 |
conditions that have been changing so quickly as they are, at least in presidential politics. 00:03:20.760 |
Senator Joe Biden was running for president a few weeks ago. 00:03:23.720 |
It looked like his campaign was completely on life support. 00:03:26.240 |
And I was feeling pretty confident that Senator Sanders would be the Democratic nominee for 00:03:31.920 |
president and all of a sudden, two weeks, just bam, bam, bam, and everything changes. 00:03:37.260 |
So there's a lot of things happening very, very quickly. 00:03:41.960 |
And so I think we can expect that trend to continue. 00:03:47.800 |
I'll just give you my insight on the disease. 00:03:51.880 |
So I released last week an optimistic, fairly optimistic sounding show. 00:03:57.800 |
I continue to maintain that optimism just simply because of what I think the data is 00:04:05.760 |
demonstrating that this particular virus is probably not going to have quite the death 00:04:17.600 |
And I'm also increasingly optimistic to see, although late, too late, I'm increasingly 00:04:23.680 |
optimistic to see many people responding to the threat. 00:04:28.840 |
One of the things that's been so interesting to watch in China as the original, as COVID-19 00:04:34.080 |
started to develop in China, it's been so fascinating to watch how they've been able 00:04:40.160 |
to successfully contain the virus through drastic measures. 00:04:44.960 |
Now those measures were certainly very costly to China, but they were also effective and 00:04:52.000 |
And I think you see right now, Italy can totally shut down except for I think pharmacies and 00:04:57.480 |
And I hope that that would stop the spread there. 00:05:00.720 |
The reality is we know how to stop the spread of a flu virus. 00:05:07.680 |
You stop basically all person to person contact. 00:05:11.480 |
That is effective and that slows the spread and stops the spread sufficient to get ahead 00:05:17.140 |
of it and to give time for the hospital system to absorb the people who need help. 00:05:24.360 |
And so that's a really important component of it. 00:05:29.320 |
I'm also very grateful that young people, children especially, seem to be shared. 00:05:35.720 |
I guess that's probably, I think we all share a love for children and a desire to see children 00:05:42.600 |
But as a father of four young children, I'm grateful for that. 00:05:46.880 |
Now of course the virus continues to be very harmful for older people and for people with 00:05:55.960 |
But I think that I continue to be optimistic that the physical condition is not as bad 00:06:03.360 |
It's not to say that tens of thousands, hundreds of thousands of people around the world may 00:06:07.900 |
not die, but it's not going to be as bad as I previously feared. 00:06:13.660 |
Now there are a couple bits of data that are kind of against that thesis. 00:06:19.640 |
The thing that I have found most concerning was a piece that I read yesterday and shared, 00:06:31.960 |
And the headline here comes from the South China Morning Post. 00:06:34.760 |
The headline is, "Coronavirus can travel twice as far as the official safe distance and stay 00:06:40.420 |
in the air for 30 minutes, Chinese study finds." 00:06:44.340 |
What happened was some Chinese epidemiologists were studying a couple of cases in China and 00:06:51.580 |
they were able to isolate some people who had contracted the disease on a bus from another 00:06:58.740 |
And they found, it was a long distance coach bus where one person who was infected got 00:07:04.740 |
onto a bus and sat down in the second row from the back. 00:07:08.300 |
Now in China all of the long distance buses have CCTV cameras on them and so the researchers 00:07:15.900 |
were able to see exactly where the person sat and they were able to see exactly how 00:07:23.260 |
the interaction played out between that person and other members. 00:07:27.300 |
And what they found was the infected person passed the infection on the bus to somebody 00:07:38.820 |
That was the closest they got, four and a half meters away. 00:07:46.180 |
That's to me pretty stunning and that's very concerning. 00:07:50.820 |
What they also found is 30 minutes later somebody came onto the bus and after the original infected 00:08:01.180 |
person left, 30 minutes later a passenger came on and was infected. 00:08:08.140 |
And this just shows how infectious the disease is, just passing through small particles in 00:08:24.220 |
Then a listener, as I was talking about that online, a listener shared with me an article 00:08:27.460 |
about a lawyer in New York City who infected about 50 people and I was reading, started 00:08:36.340 |
to read more and was reading about somebody in Korea, a super spreader as they're known, 00:08:48.020 |
who actually succeeded in passing the virus to thousands of people. 00:08:51.740 |
It's a person, individual known as patient 31. 00:09:00.300 |
Now it's still, it can be defeated and so the strategy is social distancing, staying 00:09:06.300 |
away from people, staying home and stopping and slowing the spread. 00:09:10.980 |
And that strategy is important because it may protect you from getting infected and 00:09:17.060 |
in addition to that important goal it has the benefit of slowing down the spread of 00:09:23.380 |
the disease so that you can have fewer people sick at one time which gives the medical system 00:09:29.220 |
more of an opportunity to stay up to date, to stay current with people who are sick. 00:09:38.620 |
So in a moment I'll talk about kind of what you can do and I think one of the key things 00:09:44.020 |
is as far as I'm concerned it is definitely time to be distancing yourself from people, 00:09:50.700 |
from crowds and bringing your movements and contact with people to the bare minimum. 00:09:57.100 |
Easier for some people than others but certainly possible. 00:10:01.220 |
Now let's talk about the economics of the situation. 00:10:03.980 |
I continue to think that this very clearly is going to cause major and long-term economic 00:10:15.020 |
The very best case I can see for the economic effects of this virus is simply devastating. 00:10:25.500 |
I consider devastating to be the bare minimum and we'll see where we're going to go from 00:10:32.140 |
But I want you to think about and to understand a little bit about why I consider this to 00:10:42.820 |
Are stock markets down just because people are scared? 00:10:45.620 |
No, stock markets are down for of course millions of reasons for all the individuals in it but 00:10:51.660 |
because companies are going to be making a lot less money in days to come and that's 00:10:57.660 |
big due to the only workable way to control this crisis which is to shut everything down. 00:11:12.860 |
Again this is why the reason a virus is so horrific and so bad is the 00:11:27.180 |
changes needed happen everywhere all at once. 00:11:30.540 |
If you have a local tornado, it happens in your town but in the virus you can see it 00:11:36.540 |
So everything, everywhere is getting shut down all at once. 00:11:40.740 |
Yes, there are some countries that have been ahead of the curve in Asia and now in Europe 00:11:46.100 |
ahead of the curve and the Americas are now starting to catch up but still practically 00:11:51.380 |
speaking over a period of weeks where everything is shut down together over this period of 00:12:00.420 |
Everyone stays home and this happens simultaneously in every country, every state, every county, 00:12:05.700 |
every family and this has a tremendous ripple effect. 00:12:09.300 |
I want you just to imagine the businesses that are hurt by this and the revenues that 00:12:15.860 |
I think the NBA is a good example since it was just tonight announced that the NBA is 00:12:22.740 |
First think about the lost ticket revenue that was previously scheduled to be coming 00:12:28.100 |
in to all of those franchises based upon their games. 00:12:34.720 |
Think about the lost TV revenue that all of the TV stations previously had committed. 00:12:41.500 |
What are the NBA, there's probably an NBA network on cable TV, what are they going to 00:12:47.140 |
What about all of the NBA games that were previously scheduled to be booked on TV? 00:12:54.820 |
What are the TV channels going to fill that time with? 00:12:57.500 |
Think about all of the ad revenue that's lost by those TV channels for not having those 00:13:03.460 |
Think about all the revenue that's lost for the franchises by not being able to sell the 00:13:08.940 |
Think about then all of the probably the advertisers themselves who are going to have less money 00:13:17.040 |
Think about the vendors and the concessions revenue that won't be gained by all the people 00:13:25.160 |
Think about all of the hotel revenue that'll be lost by all the travelers that were previously 00:13:34.480 |
Now that's not a big hotel driver, I'm thinking of other events, conventions, etc. 00:13:39.440 |
But think about all of the Uber revenue and the taxi revenue that's going to be lost because 00:13:45.720 |
Think about all of the restaurant tabs and the bar tabs that are not going to be generated 00:13:51.880 |
because of those NBA games and how that's going to hurt all of the bartenders and the 00:13:57.360 |
servers and the restaurants and the restaurateurs. 00:14:00.560 |
It just goes on and on and on and that's just one example of a huge example but that's just 00:14:06.800 |
Now take that out to March Madness, take that out to the rodeo in the Houston rodeo or the 00:14:15.560 |
It's going to go to other things, NASCAR games and everything. 00:14:20.100 |
Think about the just the widespread disruption for months going forward and how across the 00:14:26.440 |
board you have this domino effect where these cancellations just ripple outward, less money 00:14:38.280 |
And it's not that the money disappears, it's just that it starts to freeze up and that 00:14:43.040 |
has a devastating effect to people who are in those affected industries. 00:14:48.560 |
So at the bare minimum this is going to be devastating and then could it be worse than 00:14:59.280 |
It'll depend on how long these measures take place, it'll depend on what happens in the 00:15:09.800 |
Pay also attention to what we're experiencing. 00:15:12.280 |
We're starting to experience the kind of the contagion of panic so to speak. 00:15:19.720 |
The news that I thought was really interesting here this evening was the news about Tom Hanks 00:15:25.720 |
because when you have a widely loved person who has a great degree of notoriety, you wind 00:15:38.160 |
up with a situation and they get sick, you wind up with a situation where people start 00:15:42.920 |
And I think you start to see that with the runs on toilet paper, the runs on soap, the 00:15:52.160 |
So you're starting to see the kind of the contagion spread, the contagion of panic where 00:15:57.640 |
nobody wants to be the last one shopping for toilet paper. 00:16:01.800 |
And you're starting to see the emotions come in where the system is breaking down where 00:16:06.680 |
previously – let's use toilet paper as the example today because it's a really good example 00:16:10.480 |
– maybe most people would go and buy toilet paper and they would say, "I'll just go 00:16:16.520 |
ahead and get one thing of toilet paper because that's the normal amount that they shop, 00:16:22.360 |
But then all of a sudden they find out that toilet paper is in short supply and so they 00:16:25.880 |
go to the store and they figure, "I'll get two instead of one." 00:16:28.880 |
And so the supplies start to get low and then that news starts to spread and today it spreads 00:16:32.760 |
faster than ever before because any individual can produce that news among their community. 00:16:39.000 |
And so more and more people run out to the store to go and get more toilet paper. 00:16:43.000 |
And then the stores start rationing toilet paper to try to maintain it and so they say, 00:16:48.600 |
"Maximum one per customer, maximum five per customer." 00:16:51.120 |
Costco has been rationing products for the last few days, many different products. 00:16:55.520 |
And so then people – that just spreads further and then people say, "Well, I've got to get 00:17:00.480 |
And so they start going to multiple stores so they can get past and it just gets worse 00:17:04.640 |
And so the supply chain just totally breaks down because of the just-in-time inventory 00:17:12.660 |
It works fine and it has a little bit of flexibility but not a lot. 00:17:17.500 |
And so it can be disrupted very easily by unforeseen circumstances. 00:17:23.880 |
Similar example would be the mask crisis where healthcare providers are having a hard time 00:17:28.400 |
getting a hold of masks and they're just not out there. 00:17:31.760 |
And so you see how the supply chain works fine during normal times but unless you stockpile 00:17:37.280 |
the stuff and unless it was stockpiled by organizations, by governments, etc., by hospitals, 00:17:44.600 |
then the things fall apart and because of the excess demand all of a sudden. 00:17:52.760 |
Eventually people say, "All right, I've got enough toilet paper for okay. 00:17:55.640 |
I'm not going to die if I don't have 10 packs of toilet paper. 00:17:59.800 |
So they stop buying and then that gives time for the system to be replenished, etc. 00:18:04.760 |
And then there winds up being a toilet paper oversupply because everyone has enough to 00:18:09.200 |
last them for months and most people aren't going to stock it and keep it stocked up in 00:18:13.080 |
their house because they just don't want to have the stuff sitting around. 00:18:16.040 |
And so the store shelves get full again and then the revenues go way down. 00:18:21.840 |
So you can just watch it breaking down right now, right in front of your face. 00:18:27.880 |
And you can see how years ago I did a study on why price gouging laws are so destructive 00:18:39.680 |
Now I'm not going to get all bent out of shape about that and jump up and down on my soap 00:18:44.240 |
You can see how stupid they are because what they do is you wind up, if you don't allow 00:18:49.320 |
the pricing system to react, then the stores wind up regulating demand by rationing. 00:18:56.520 |
You can either ration based on price or you can ration based on person. 00:19:00.360 |
And since it's generally not, it's considered a bad business, which I support, it is bad 00:19:06.160 |
business to do, but it's also considered to be illegal in many places to raise prices 00:19:12.200 |
What happens is the demand quickly outstrips the supply and strips the supply from the 00:19:20.400 |
And if you're frustrated right now that you can't find toilet paper and you're not sure 00:19:23.760 |
what you're going to do in the coming days when you don't have any toilet paper, well, 00:19:28.360 |
consider that next time you start proposing for price gouging laws that result in you're 00:19:34.160 |
You'd probably rather have gone and paid a $20 for a little four pack of toilet paper, 00:19:39.480 |
which would be an extremely high price, but at least you'd have a little bit instead of 00:19:43.920 |
not having any available simply because all the store shelves were stripped bare. 00:19:49.760 |
And if you were willing to pay $20 for some toilet paper, all of a sudden some of those 00:19:53.960 |
people who bought three big cases of it might be willing to spread it out. 00:19:59.200 |
You know, if I bought three big cases at the standard price of $10 for a case, I'd be happy 00:20:05.920 |
And so maybe there'll be a black market in toilet paper. 00:20:12.720 |
So notice, please, I don't like to say I told you so. 00:20:16.520 |
I really would like to be wrong on some of this stuff because it really stinks and I 00:20:26.600 |
How should you have protected yourself from this? 00:20:30.400 |
The answer is simply by stockpiling the things that you would need. 00:20:34.840 |
Throughout the entire history of radical personal finance, I've emphasized this to you. 00:20:39.540 |
You don't have a need to be efficient with the things that your family needs. 00:20:47.940 |
You don't have the need to run everything at the razor thin line. 00:20:51.400 |
It's easy enough for you to keep half a dozen packs of toilet paper in the garage and that's 00:20:59.960 |
Well half a dozen big things of toilet paper from Costco will last you for a long time. 00:21:04.280 |
And so you just put that on a shelf out in the garage, take one down, replace it. 00:21:08.640 |
And that way you've always got a half of a, you know, six, half a dozen cases of toilet 00:21:17.000 |
Doesn't cost you much, takes a little bit of storage space, but it protects you when 00:21:28.760 |
Same thing with food, same thing with medicine. 00:21:31.280 |
You put the buffer in there because you don't need to be efficient. 00:21:35.160 |
The needs of your family with most of these things are very, very small. 00:21:38.600 |
I think the mask situation is another good example. 00:21:43.160 |
You can just simply see that people who are in those situations, imagine the pressure 00:21:50.120 |
The hospital administrator knows that we need to stockpile personal protective equipment 00:21:59.680 |
And you know that it's possible that someday there could be a flu pandemic or someday there 00:22:04.920 |
could be a contagious disease outbreak and we need to have lots of extra masks to protect 00:22:09.560 |
the patients and protect ourselves, et cetera. 00:22:12.080 |
And so they can stockpile large amounts of it, but the stuff expires, it goes bad. 00:22:16.160 |
And so are you really going to feel good as a hospital administrator putting this stuff 00:22:20.120 |
on year after year after year in very large amounts that have to be stored, that have 00:22:25.040 |
to be cared for, that have to be rotated and then just seeing the stuff expire year after 00:22:29.980 |
And so eventually you say, "Oh, let's get by with a little bit less, a little bit less, 00:22:34.840 |
And then the supply chain narrows down to one region of the world. 00:22:38.200 |
There was a book that was written by the guy that was on Joe Rogan's show having a talk 00:22:44.120 |
about this and he talked about how 80% of the blood, was it the blood? 00:22:51.120 |
And when the hurricane came through Puerto Rico, it devastated those factories and led 00:23:03.440 |
But a hospital administrator has to worry about that and there's a pressure to press 00:23:06.340 |
towards efficiency, got to be efficient, can't stockpile too much stuff because it's just 00:23:13.440 |
You can stockpile the stuff and it not be a big deal. 00:23:17.940 |
You can stockpile personal protective equipment. 00:23:25.600 |
And in the grand scheme of your finances, it's not a big financial cost. 00:23:33.220 |
It is a cost of storage but it's not a big financial cost. 00:23:36.640 |
And storage, as long as you've got a way to do it in an organized way, it's not that big. 00:23:43.260 |
Right now, I think it's early to start talking about big opportunities. 00:23:50.320 |
I think it's very, very early to start talking about economic opportunities. 00:23:53.880 |
And so I'll try in the future to just talk about some ways to profit from an event. 00:24:00.040 |
I do want you just to keep your head up and to stay focused on being positive. 00:24:06.440 |
And I don't mean that in some kind of woo-woo ignore reality. 00:24:11.400 |
If you go back and you study times of great panic, times of great crisis, there are always 00:24:19.520 |
And many people make their fortunes during a time of crisis. 00:24:32.320 |
But if you'll keep a level head on your shoulders, look for opportunities, there will be opportunities. 00:24:41.920 |
It's going to be, in my opinion, it's going to be a long and slow crisis. 00:24:49.600 |
And I'm not going to turn radical personal finance into COVID central. 00:24:55.720 |
We're not going to sit around here and talk about it all the time. 00:24:59.440 |
But this is going to be a long and slow crisis. 00:25:03.080 |
It's going to grind on for months and months and months before it stabilizes. 00:25:09.880 |
I'm not going to make too many predictions beyond that, just that it's going to be very 00:25:19.360 |
Well, the most useful, valuable thing you can do right now is isolate yourself and your 00:25:33.040 |
Now that's going to be hard to figure out how to do it and what exactly that means, 00:25:44.440 |
And if I can get home, then I'll hunker down with my family and hopefully I don't get sick 00:25:51.900 |
I did my best to take precautions, but who knows. 00:25:55.480 |
But isolate yourself and your family, and especially older family members. 00:26:00.680 |
Isolate yourself and your family so that you can protect older family members, especially 00:26:08.120 |
As things start to, we're right at the start, as I, in my opinion, we're right at the start 00:26:12.880 |
of the compound growth curve in the United States. 00:26:15.640 |
And what's been happening is the virus has been percolating out across the community, 00:26:20.680 |
spreading from thousands and thousands of people to thousands and thousands of more 00:26:25.080 |
But now those symptoms are going to start to be seen. 00:26:28.360 |
And you have a complete and total debacle of undiagnosed cases, lack of testing. 00:26:34.160 |
It's almost impossible for people to get testing, and this is just enhancing the spread. 00:26:38.360 |
And the United States reacted far too slowly of closing things, shutting things down, too 00:26:45.340 |
And so there are thousands and thousands, if not hundreds of thousands of people right 00:26:49.440 |
now who are infected all across the United States. 00:26:52.400 |
And so I would say that what's needed right now is simply take the action early to isolate 00:27:00.840 |
Isolate, especially if you're elderly, especially if you have underlying health conditions that 00:27:07.800 |
Take the action now to isolate yourself as much as you can, as much as you're willing 00:27:14.200 |
And give it a few more weeks to start to stabilize, to see what happens, and to start to get a 00:27:19.120 |
better idea of the risks, a better idea of the numbers, and see if we can get ahead of 00:27:29.200 |
That's the most reliable thing that you can do. 00:27:36.680 |
Right now, companies that can, you know, there was just a moment ago, Twitter is now ordering 00:27:50.040 |
And remember, in order for isolation to work, you got to do it early before it really seems 00:28:12.320 |
It's going to feel stupid because you're going to look around and say, "There's not really 00:28:22.160 |
I think at this point it's a good idea to cancel travel, etc., and just simply focus 00:28:31.120 |
Now, there are opportunities, though, to make that a positive thing, to make plans. 00:28:38.760 |
You probably had a long list of goals and things that you've been wanting to accomplish 00:28:43.080 |
that you haven't had a chance to accomplish because you've been so busy. 00:28:50.880 |
There are thousands and thousands of people who've made workout videos that don't require 00:28:57.240 |
Pop a video on and start getting fit right at home. 00:29:04.400 |
You can buy books or you can get the digital book and then you don't even have to interact 00:29:07.880 |
with the paper book and you can start reading. 00:29:10.240 |
You probably wanted to, I don't know, start a podcast, start a YouTube channel. 00:29:20.720 |
One of the greatest things that's going to happen is a boon in distance learning. 00:29:25.400 |
Right now you could sign up at about any university and take online classes and that's going to 00:29:33.480 |
So think about ways that you can do some things you wanted to do. 00:29:37.040 |
You probably wanted to hang out with your children. 00:29:39.200 |
You probably wanted to, you're thinking about a family vacation. 00:29:42.680 |
Well take the family vacation but go to a national park instead of going to a theme 00:29:50.480 |
Go camping instead of going to a theme park or going to the places that are full. 00:29:55.080 |
Take everyone to the beach and go play in the water instead of going to downtown and 00:30:01.040 |
You can do that kind of stuff without interacting with a lot of other people. 00:30:03.480 |
So buy some board games and invest in time with your children. 00:30:08.120 |
I've always thought, what if I went to prison? 00:30:13.080 |
I thought, okay, pretend Joshua, you get sent to prison for 10 years. 00:30:21.520 |
I'd be jacked and playing basketball all day. 00:30:36.840 |
We'll talk in the days to come about the economic effects, about ways to profit from it as those 00:30:45.600 |
I think we're just at the very beginning and it's going to be a long, slow road. 00:31:03.080 |
Don't freak out, but don't stick your head under the rock either. 00:31:08.080 |
At the very least, pay attention to the human psychology because that's what you're seeing 00:31:14.200 |
right now is in some ways the very predictable human psychology of panic and groupthink. 00:31:45.160 |
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