back to indexBogleheads University 101 2023 - Examples of Asset Allocations: Reasonable & Unreasonable Jim Dahle
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Before we get into Dr. Jim Dolley's session though, 00:00:17.880 |
that you're seeing today, and really any slides 00:00:20.520 |
that you'll see during the course of this conference, 00:00:23.000 |
will be available on the Bogle Center's website. 00:00:28.800 |
and so you'll just go to the conference page, 00:00:41.760 |
And we see that we've got a lot of questions coming in, 00:00:45.880 |
So Dr. Jim Dolley has been leading the sessions next door. 00:00:50.320 |
Jim has been absolutely fabulous to us at Bogleheads. 00:00:54.480 |
He's been such a wonderful member of our community 00:00:58.560 |
I think he's one of the most prolific posters 00:01:03.040 |
And he has his own empire over at White Coat Investor, 00:01:07.240 |
which is a website, podcast, book series, conference, 00:01:27.320 |
and I will say that we have gotten a little bit 00:01:29.200 |
of a twofer with Jim, which is that Jim's wife Katie 00:01:35.720 |
and Katie has been here every step of the way 00:01:38.200 |
helping us make this conference run smoothly. 00:01:48.680 |
He's going to expand on what I talked about in my session, 00:02:05.640 |
I'm sorry, I've missed all the other sessions in here. 00:02:30.760 |
and bear in mind that my opinions are not gospel. 00:02:33.960 |
Some other people's opinions disagree with my opinions, 00:02:36.440 |
and that's okay, but I think it's helpful to hear opinions. 00:02:39.480 |
And so we'll be going over a bunch of portfolios 00:02:41.960 |
as part of this and talking about my opinions. 00:02:54.400 |
I'm not licensed to do anything in this state. 00:02:56.700 |
So this is all for entertainment and information only. 00:03:02.920 |
I own a company called the White Coat Investor. 00:03:04.760 |
I have dozens or hundreds of advertisers there 00:03:07.860 |
with whom I have financial conflicts of interest. 00:03:11.440 |
The only company I'm gonna mention today is Vanguard, 00:03:13.560 |
and I'm still trying to talk them into advertising with me. 00:03:15.900 |
So even there, I have no conflict of interest. 00:03:21.000 |
We're gonna talk about some principles to consider 00:03:24.440 |
and then we're gonna go through a long list of portfolios 00:03:36.680 |
Okay, this is me sleeping on the side of Half Dome 00:03:48.960 |
If I look like I'm hallucinating, I probably am, 00:03:55.200 |
Like many of the portfolios we'll discuss today. 00:04:08.420 |
You want a portfolio that's likely to do well 00:04:10.140 |
in a wide range of potential future economic scenarios. 00:04:15.140 |
You cannot know the perfect portfolio in advance. 00:04:21.240 |
The efficient frontier is defined retrospectively. 00:04:30.800 |
That is what you want, a good enough portfolio. 00:04:41.020 |
It's broadly diversified and has low costs, okay? 00:04:53.180 |
Every asset class in it will have its day in the sun. 00:05:01.620 |
if there's a slide to take a picture of, it's this one, okay? 00:05:20.460 |
If not, it's unlikely to keep up with inflation. 00:05:25.740 |
It turns out if you only invest in safe stuff, 00:05:45.220 |
You want to have at least 20 individual securities. 00:05:49.520 |
you're getting 4,000 securities in 30 seconds. 00:05:59.540 |
should really be more than 5% of your portfolio. 00:06:02.620 |
You want to have at least three asset classes 00:06:32.000 |
After that, a reasonable portfolio and sticking with it. 00:06:45.560 |
Again, not something that's reasonable to do, 00:06:56.080 |
Putting all your money into the S&P 500 Index Fund, 00:06:59.220 |
or putting it all into the Total Stock Market Index Fund. 00:07:02.780 |
The pros of that portfolio are that it's very, very simple. 00:07:13.640 |
There's hundreds or thousands even of individual securities. 00:07:24.000 |
It's really only one asset class, large U.S. stocks. 00:07:27.360 |
It's only one country, and there's no factor investing. 00:07:30.520 |
And if you end up with a lost decade, like the 2000s, 00:07:33.320 |
you may not be super happy with your returns. 00:07:35.600 |
Next one, this one's very popular on the Bogleheads Forum. 00:07:41.120 |
This is what we call the three-fund portfolio. 00:07:57.720 |
Taylor Laramore may be the most profound advocate for it, 00:08:03.880 |
You do get three separate asset classes like that. 00:08:13.400 |
It does have downsides, but it's certainly reasonable. 00:08:16.280 |
Number four, this is the four-fund portfolio, 00:08:23.120 |
You take the three-fund and you add a REIT fund to it 00:08:38.100 |
Still, there's no tips, no international bonds, 00:08:42.440 |
And it's a pretty decent bet on real estate outperformance. 00:08:55.620 |
which is basically the US stocks and international stocks. 00:09:05.040 |
which is the same thing, run a little bit differently 00:09:10.760 |
The benefits of these are they're very simple. 00:09:16.720 |
you're really only getting two asset classes. 00:09:24.800 |
And of course, none of these are really available 00:09:36.080 |
or you will soon hear from a very serious advocate 00:09:40.520 |
The Life Strategy Funds at Vanguard are very cool. 00:09:46.280 |
except you don't have to remember to buy all three funds. 00:10:03.920 |
Downside, not available in all employer plans. 00:10:12.880 |
if you have a significant portion of your assets 00:10:27.760 |
And the benefit, you only gotta buy one fund. 00:10:35.760 |
And it's available in lots of retirement accounts. 00:10:54.080 |
who were invested in these funds in a taxable account. 00:10:58.680 |
This one is known as the Coffeehouse Portfolio. 00:11:06.800 |
and then it's got 40% of your money in a bond fund. 00:11:14.880 |
that are supposed to maybe do better in the long run, 00:11:23.080 |
and you've certainly stepped up the complexity 00:11:25.720 |
compared to those other investing options we talked about. 00:11:28.720 |
There's still no TIPS or MUNIs or international bonds, 00:11:31.040 |
and I'm not a real big fan of the 500 index fund 00:11:47.160 |
Okay, it's 25% in the total stock market index, 00:12:04.740 |
Well, there's some tilts to real estate and to factors, 00:12:21.760 |
since I started investing in 2004, has not paid off. 00:12:25.580 |
They're talking about that next door right now. 00:12:27.280 |
Paul Merriman's advocating for this sort of a portfolio. 00:12:34.180 |
during my investing horizon, but there's no guarantee. 00:12:38.320 |
Okay, here's one, and the type just got smaller. 00:12:46.880 |
when Paul Merriman puts together a portfolio, okay? 00:12:51.960 |
It's 6% into each of 10 different stock asset classes, 00:13:03.520 |
if you believe they're gonna pay off, you've got 'em, okay? 00:13:07.520 |
Downside, well, this is pretty highly complex. 00:13:10.520 |
It still uses the 500 index over a total stock market, 00:13:15.640 |
to have 10 stock asset classes, 10 funds in the stocks, 00:13:25.360 |
why wouldn't you slice and dice the bonds, too? 00:13:38.440 |
It's got 12% in the 500 index, 15% in the value index, 00:13:42.880 |
3% in the small-cap index, 9% in the small-cap value index, 00:13:53.220 |
and emerging markets sectors of the international stocks, 00:14:02.980 |
between the short-term corporate bonds, and 16% in TIPS. 00:14:06.620 |
See what I mean about how there's a gazillion 00:14:16.260 |
Again, if you believe in that and want to do that 00:14:24.920 |
Maybe it captures a bit of a rebalancing bonus 00:14:27.660 |
by splitting up your total international stock fund 00:14:32.060 |
but you're adding a lot of complexity to get that, 00:14:39.180 |
Honestly, I don't know that there's really any point 00:14:57.300 |
10% TIPS, 10% US, 10% international, 10% real estate, 00:15:04.320 |
Well, if you want to have a little bit of your money 00:15:06.180 |
and some speculative assets, this portfolio has that, 00:15:17.020 |
It doesn't happen to have any factor investing. 00:15:31.460 |
may you be prepared to cross and get out of it. 00:15:37.660 |
Okay, here's unreasonable portfolio number one. 00:15:55.320 |
I don't know why anybody would hold this portfolio. 00:15:58.820 |
You're getting no earnings, dividends, interest, rents. 00:16:06.020 |
will pay you more for the assets than you paid for them. 00:16:15.060 |
and that's because somebody actually emailed me in 00:16:17.220 |
and asked what I thought about this portfolio. 00:16:30.780 |
Well, this one might do okay in a massive downturn, 00:16:42.340 |
Why in the world would you pay 1.5% for anything, you know? 00:16:53.540 |
same in gold mining stocks and emerging market stocks. 00:16:58.660 |
in something I couldn't even figure out what it was, 00:17:08.420 |
If it's only 5% of your portfolio in something weird, 00:17:16.100 |
Well, you know, the perma bears are every now 00:17:21.140 |
you don't wanna be investing in this sort of weird stuff. 00:17:27.340 |
And frankly, 100% of your stocks are in emerging markets? 00:17:32.420 |
That seems like an incredible bet on emerging markets. 00:17:45.340 |
Maybe it's all in your brother-in-law's small business. 00:17:48.260 |
But this portfolio takes on uncompensated risk. 00:18:14.180 |
than most portfolios if the Great Depression happens again. 00:18:19.100 |
But the problem is that there are bets in this portfolio 00:18:27.340 |
is that it should be titled the triumph of the optimists. 00:18:41.100 |
And that's the problem I have with the permanent portfolio. 00:18:47.820 |
Now, I don't have a problem with real estate investing. 00:18:51.900 |
But I think putting it all in real estate's a mistake. 00:19:11.200 |
It's just one asset class and avoids all those stocks. 00:19:16.700 |
on a real estate downturn or interest rate changes. 00:19:29.260 |
20% in the Vanguard large growth stock index, 00:19:37.420 |
but each of their holdings is actually owning the same stocks 00:19:50.240 |
25% cash, 25% bonds, 25% gold, 25% whole life insurance. 00:19:59.660 |
The problem is you need to save 50% of your gross income 00:20:05.740 |
These are all very low returning asset classes. 00:20:10.860 |
Okay, again, reasonable portfolio characteristics. 00:20:14.620 |
At least 50% in stocks, bonds, and real estate