back to indexE37: NYC rejects far-left candidates, new developments in lab leak theory, App Store breakup & more
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0:0 Besties hash out a new format & the purpose of the podcast
14:31 NYC rejects far-left candidates in mayoral primary; importance of crime, homelessness & drug abuse in elections
29:29 New developments in the Wuhan lab leak theory, ramifications for our relationship with China
54:7 Congress turns the heat on up big tech, Apple's App Store monopoly in trouble
69:25 Antonio Garcia Martinez's first Substack article on Apple
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As you guys know, I get panic attacks at the dentist, but she was able to navigate me through 00:00:04.200 |
where I didn't. I only sweat through half my shirt. You have panic attacks at the dentist? 00:00:09.540 |
No, but I sweat profusely and I get very nervous. Why? What is that about? 00:00:14.460 |
We all have weaknesses, Jason. We all have weaknesses. This is my Achilles heel. My 00:00:20.780 |
Yeah. I don't like going to the dentist either. 00:00:23.240 |
No, the dentist really freaks. I don't know why it freaks me out, Sax. 00:00:27.880 |
I had a really bad experience when I was a kid, you know. 00:00:31.800 |
Have you ever seen the movie Marathon Man? It was kind of like that. 00:00:34.620 |
Is it safe? Is it safe? All right, here we go. 00:00:57.840 |
Welcome again to another episode of the All In Podcast, episode 37. With us today on his 00:01:04.700 |
noble crusade conquering Europe, Chamath Palihapitiya calls us from a castle somewhere. 00:01:12.180 |
I don't know. I can tell by the light switches you're in Europe. And joining us again, the two 00:01:16.760 |
AIs, AI number one, David Sax, and AI number two, David Friedberg are here. And of course, 00:01:23.820 |
I'm Jay Cal. Do we want to get right into the show? Or I don't know, Chamath, if you want to 00:01:27.820 |
I want to talk about the dueling AIs in the group chat, debating the nature of the pod. 00:01:32.880 |
I mean, one guy told the other guy or one robot told the other robot to fuck off. 00:01:38.320 |
This is what we know. It's the singularity. It's when the robots start arguing with each other. 00:01:44.140 |
See, you don't even know because you don't have any emotions. You told Friedberg to fuck off. 00:01:50.780 |
In fairness to science, he was drinking a beverage with 14% alcohol content. 00:01:57.800 |
No, no, no. I just think that we... I think the format of the pod is working. And I don't think we need to turn it on its head. That's all. 00:02:10.780 |
I'm so tired and out of it right now, but let's do it. 00:02:13.740 |
Just for the listeners' benefit, on our little group text where we do our incredibly well-prepped rehearsal for this show by texting each other, maybe for four minutes a week. 00:02:30.500 |
Mostly other stuff is covered over the group chat. But we were kind of debating, maybe throwing in a spin and doing a little group Q&A kind of format. 00:02:41.460 |
And we were kind of joking with Sax that he loves getting his soundbites in and then turning them into little short soundbite video clips with his BFF Henry Belcaster and putting them on Twitter and promoting them around the internet. 00:02:57.760 |
I don't think that this show should be about getting to the soundbite, that this show should be about something very different. 00:03:04.420 |
Which is elevating a conversation and creating the context for people to make decisions on their own. 00:03:10.340 |
And that is to give people multiple points of view and all of the data and consideration when there's a big topic or a big debate underway. 00:03:17.880 |
And it's too easy for us to take a soundbite and then use that as the narrative to try and influence people to do things or to have a point of view. 00:03:27.740 |
And I think that is largely the problem we've broadly had in the Twitter social media era is we are very reductionist. 00:03:34.400 |
We bring things down to kind of a one sentence or 140 character statement. 00:03:37.940 |
And then we use that as an emotional pivot point for people to get them to go on one side or the other side, as opposed to recognizing that many of the topics we address are... 00:03:57.720 |
We need to tell the sheeple what to think and to get Tucker Carlson into office. 00:04:02.100 |
Jason, I would like to cut to a segment, a new segment that I call Chamath Does a Dramatic Reading. 00:04:09.740 |
I don't know if we're allowed to read from a group text. 00:04:14.240 |
And now a dramatic reading from the group chat. 00:04:17.040 |
I will be playing all characters, starting with myself. 00:04:19.960 |
Friedberg rants, to which I say, I'm down with that. 00:04:27.700 |
You keep trying to fuck with the format of the show. 00:05:03.480 |
The Friedberg position on many issues often comes down to the idea that this issue is 00:05:04.480 |
so complicated, it's so nuanced, we can't have a definitive take. 00:05:14.520 |
But I think there are many issues where it is possible to have a definitive take to come 00:05:21.480 |
And I think the audience wants us to do that. 00:05:23.760 |
I think it's a little bit of a cop out to say, oh, we're just going to table all the 00:05:29.260 |
No, the audience wants to hear us give our point of view. 00:05:39.540 |
Yeah, but you just talk to him seven times a day and direct every frame of the animation. 00:05:47.500 |
Henry is one of our super fans, started making these videos. 00:05:52.260 |
And then finally, I was like, okay, I got to like see what this guy's into, right? 00:05:59.140 |
Like, I hope it's to promote his business or something because he's just spending way 00:06:03.540 |
Anyway, so now Henry does run his like videos by us as a courtesy, but he comes up with 00:06:12.040 |
He chooses what takes he wants to run with and he puts it all together. 00:06:33.000 |
He DMs and says, is it okay for me to do this? 00:06:35.000 |
But then David's like, well, actually if we could change this and cut this word and David's 00:06:44.220 |
Like he's Scorsese changing every fucking frame of Henry Bellacaster animated gif made 00:06:50.720 |
Well, look, I just think it's a courtesy that Henry's running it by us. 00:07:07.040 |
I, after finding out that Henry and then his partner Dylan, they've got like a, it is a 00:07:12.500 |
So I said, listen, you guys are doing great work. 00:07:16.840 |
I said, listen, why don't you guys start doing like product videos or videos for startups? 00:07:24.360 |
I think we're going to pay him like five grand. 00:07:26.380 |
So if it's good, it'll be great for their business. 00:07:31.840 |
Let's get to the point about re you know, reducing the conversation to soundbites. 00:07:36.460 |
And I want to respond to your point about not taking a position on things, but okay. 00:07:41.660 |
So I feel like, um, first of all, within this group, there are hard takes within this group 00:07:51.260 |
And um, I, I think that it's important in many debates and many of the topics. 00:07:56.160 |
We cover, there is more than one side to the story and we can have our formed opinion, 00:08:01.960 |
but I think understanding what the other counterpoints and counter arguments might be is critical 00:08:08.000 |
to get people to actually get to that opinion themselves, as opposed to just telling them, 00:08:13.200 |
this is the single point that you should believe nothing else matters. 00:08:16.780 |
And so I really think also many of these conversations are generally two sides of the same coin and 00:08:25.940 |
And so I think that's a really important point.