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Berean Community Church: Wednesday Night Bible Study | Titus 1:4-6


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7:3 Titus 1:4-9
11:46 Exegesis vs. Eisegesis
27:48 Qualifications of Elders / Overseers
31:16 Breakdown and Overview

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00:00:25.360 | >> All right.
00:00:26.200 | I'm going to give you guys 30 more seconds to wrap it up.
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00:01:29.980 | All right.
00:01:30.520 | Let's -- let me pray and then we'll get into a short time
00:01:38.980 | of teaching and interacting together, okay?
00:01:42.240 | Let me pray.
00:01:43.920 | Father, we are very thankful
00:01:45.840 | that you've given us just the opportunity to share and glean.
00:01:50.440 | And we pray that as we focus on this meaty passage,
00:01:55.700 | I pray that you would teach us how to see things the way you
00:01:59.760 | see things, not to jump to conclusions,
00:02:02.440 | not to base our interpretation on our experience
00:02:06.200 | or our opinions or preferences,
00:02:08.340 | but that we really would learn how
00:02:10.820 | to do church the way you would see fit.
00:02:12.640 | So teach us.
00:02:14.120 | Would you use the next 15, 20 minutes just to encourage
00:02:19.100 | and feed your people?
00:02:19.860 | In Jesus' name we pray.
00:02:20.840 | Amen. So when I look at a passage, I usually --
00:02:29.220 | first thing I do to prepare to teach is to kind of organize it
00:02:35.440 | in a way that visually I can kind of see
00:02:37.780 | where the thought is going, okay?
00:02:39.920 | And if you look at the farther --
00:02:42.000 | I mean the introduction is the introduction, okay?
00:02:43.920 | I'm going to start with verse 5.
00:02:45.800 | So for this reason, okay, and it's important
00:02:49.840 | to understand what that reason was.
00:02:51.380 | And I've shared last week and in the sermon a couple weeks before
00:02:55.760 | that the for this reason really is the premise of eternal --
00:02:58.280 | the promise of eternal life.
00:02:59.340 | And that's what's being pushed forward here.
00:03:03.500 | That's the premise.
00:03:04.600 | So for that reason, Titus is left in Crete, okay?
00:03:09.940 | And then there are two things that he needs to do.
00:03:12.480 | Set in order, appoint elders, okay?
00:03:16.400 | And here are the qualifications of church leaders.
00:03:21.760 | I'll just call it that, okay?
00:03:22.860 | Church leaders kind of broken up into little two snippets
00:03:28.620 | of what that means.
00:03:29.660 | We only looked at the first part.
00:03:31.160 | Next week we're looking at --
00:03:32.200 | or next week we're looking at the second part.
00:03:34.220 | And I'm going to read from verse 5 down, okay?
00:03:37.520 | For this reason I left you in Crete that you would set
00:03:41.100 | in order what remains and appoint elders
00:03:43.300 | in every city as I directed you.
00:03:45.020 | Namely, if any man is above approach,
00:03:48.380 | the husband of one wife, having children who believe,
00:03:50.460 | not accused of dissipation or rebellion.
00:03:52.620 | And that's the part you guys studied today.
00:03:55.140 | For the overseer must be above approach as God's steward.
00:03:58.520 | Not self-willed, not quick-tempered,
00:04:00.840 | not addicted to wine, not pugnacious,
00:04:02.580 | not fond of sordid gain.
00:04:03.800 | But -- and when I put that but in the middle there,
00:04:06.980 | it switches like my brain a little bit to kind of go, okay,
00:04:10.280 | now these are more positive things.
00:04:11.700 | Hospitable, loving what is good, sensible, just,
00:04:14.440 | devout, self-controlled.
00:04:15.900 | Holding fast the faithful word which is in accordance
00:04:19.180 | with the teaching so that he will be able both to exhort
00:04:23.420 | in sound doctrine and to refute those who contradict.
00:04:26.080 | And if you notice, I pulled -- and this is my preference,
00:04:30.700 | my opinion, my educated assumption is that that so
00:04:34.520 | that it's not just holding fast the faithful word.
00:04:39.000 | It's all of these things that make this man.
00:04:43.180 | So that all of these things will help him, one, be offensive
00:04:50.200 | in teaching what is right, and then also like to be defensive
00:04:55.540 | when there are accusations made that he can stand up to them.
00:04:59.900 | So he could lead the way God would have him lead, all right?
00:05:03.860 | So this whole list of stuff is to enable this --
00:05:09.240 | these men to lead well, okay?
00:05:13.500 | So I visually put that together like that so my mind kind
00:05:18.680 | of remembers not to get lost in the woods and just kind
00:05:21.520 | of see what the thought flow is.
00:05:23.520 | And then I look at it like this, okay?
00:05:25.920 | What we looked at today is more private life, all right?
00:05:32.500 | And then what we're going to look
00:05:34.740 | at in a couple weeks is public life.
00:05:37.380 | Now, the thing is, Titus has a very important task here.
00:05:42.780 | He has to go into Crete where he's not from, presumably,
00:05:47.780 | and he's got the job of appointing a bunch of elders
00:05:52.420 | and a bunch of churches in a limited period of time.
00:05:56.160 | But how is he supposed to know who's men of character?
00:06:00.380 | That's actually a pretty hard task, right?
00:06:03.880 | Because character is observed over time.
00:06:07.480 | And so what he's called to do is appoint people based
00:06:14.360 | on reputation, presumably,
00:06:17.120 | whose private lives match their public presentation.
00:06:22.300 | So public presentation is easy in the sense of like,
00:06:27.560 | I can perform in front of you and make myself,
00:06:33.580 | to the best of my ability, a good pastor.
00:06:37.040 | But my wife and my kids actually,
00:06:41.600 | they know what's really in my heart.
00:06:44.400 | They really know my character.
00:06:45.940 | So it's really difficult to judge someone's private life.
00:06:49.100 | One way that you can judge someone's private life is their
00:06:54.420 | wife and their kids, okay?
00:06:57.320 | So again, the purpose of this is the hope
00:07:02.080 | of eternal life has come.
00:07:03.180 | You need to get the message out.
00:07:04.540 | You need to set up people who won't get in the way,
00:07:06.900 | who can teach and defend, and these are the kinds
00:07:10.160 | of men that you need.
00:07:11.560 | All right?
00:07:11.860 | So their private and their public life has
00:07:14.700 | to be consistent, and that's something that it's important
00:07:19.180 | for you guys to kind of remember so that when we get
00:07:22.240 | into like a verse six, you're like, oh, but children.
00:07:26.160 | What if he has like five kids?
00:07:28.280 | Four of them are believers.
00:07:29.720 | What if he's divorced 40 years ago and now he's remarried?
00:07:33.940 | Like, how many of you guys had those kinds of questions?
00:07:36.580 | Probably everybody, okay?
00:07:39.860 | Ooh, celebrity pastor, that guy,
00:07:42.420 | I heard his kid walked away from the faith.
00:07:44.520 | Maybe he needs to step down.
00:07:45.660 | Like, there's all of these thoughts that run
00:07:47.380 | through your mind, and I'm assuming it's
00:07:49.000 | across the board, okay?
00:07:50.700 | In order not to get lost in the woods, it's also helpful
00:07:53.540 | to remember that private and public life need
00:07:56.620 | to be consistent is the main thrust, okay?
00:07:59.360 | And so that -- oh, this is weird.
00:08:03.800 | Why is this one -- they're presenting different things.
00:08:08.920 | All right, anyway.
00:08:09.840 | My animations are -- oh, the animations, okay?
00:08:15.300 | So remember, the backdrop is there are presumably tribal
00:08:20.040 | city leaders already in these areas because he's got
00:08:24.400 | to basically do a pioneering mission work in some sense.
00:08:26.820 | There's Christians everywhere.
00:08:28.080 | Nothing's organized.
00:08:29.080 | And there are people probably already
00:08:31.140 | in the churches who are saying stuff.
00:08:33.280 | They profess to know God, but by their deeds deny him.
00:08:36.640 | Titus, you set up men who are not like this,
00:08:38.940 | who not only teach right, they live right,
00:08:42.280 | both at home and in public.
00:08:45.200 | So this is not just an act.
00:08:46.800 | It's an outflow of Christian character.
00:08:49.900 | So that's the -- when I look at the whole of this,
00:08:52.960 | these are the things that, like, kind of make the framework
00:08:57.060 | for me as I go into each nitty-gritty detail
00:09:01.480 | of the verses.
00:09:02.200 | And I'm not going to go over verse four and five.
00:09:04.480 | I'm going to focus mostly on verse six
00:09:07.600 | because I'm assuming that's where the interest is, okay?
00:09:10.420 | And so what I do is I just come
00:09:16.720 | up with five different translations.
00:09:18.700 | And I'll look at it in the English first.
00:09:20.820 | And then I'll come up with as many questions as I can.
00:09:23.800 | All right?
00:09:25.440 | And those are -- these are all my questions.
00:09:27.560 | And I put extra because this was what's being presented.
00:09:32.520 | All right?
00:09:32.820 | Here, I'll read it.
00:09:34.360 | Is this the beginning of a new sentence in the Greek
00:09:35.880 | or a continuation built on a previous thought?
00:09:37.480 | And I'm assuming you guys probably got most of these.
00:09:40.920 | Okay? Is man specific to male or is this general?
00:09:44.200 | So like a complementarianism, egalitarianism kind of debate.
00:09:48.200 | Could this talk about that at all?
00:09:50.080 | How much sin or imperfections
00:09:52.200 | or character flaw would still qualify as above approach?
00:09:54.720 | Is husband of one wife referring simply to monogamy or more
00:09:59.100 | to marital fidelity, as NIV would suggest?
00:10:01.620 | If someone divorces or remarries,
00:10:03.580 | would that permanently disqualify him from ministry?
00:10:05.720 | How old should an elder's children be before we can gauge
00:10:08.880 | whether or not they are believers?
00:10:10.200 | What if the elder is either young or without children?
00:10:14.900 | What is the length of time elders are
00:10:17.640 | to be held accountable for the behavior of their children?
00:10:19.560 | Does having an adult unbelieving child disqualify a person
00:10:23.240 | from eldership?
00:10:23.920 | Is the accused of dissipation or rebellion more
00:10:26.500 | for the elder's children or only the elder?
00:10:28.600 | Because NASB, if you're reading the NASB, it just seems
00:10:31.080 | like another couple words on the list.
00:10:33.740 | How many of you guys notice that?
00:10:37.140 | Okay. Is it okay if the child is unbelieving as long
00:10:39.320 | as he is not morally behaviorally out of control?
00:10:41.680 | At least he just behaved.
00:10:43.460 | Is that okay?
00:10:44.280 | Is this based more on fact or reputation?
00:10:48.180 | Because it's an accusation, right?
00:10:50.240 | Is there a deeper meaning in the word dissipation
00:10:54.680 | as the translations all differ some?
00:10:56.840 | Okay. So these are just some questions.
00:10:59.840 | If you had to -- if you told me to give 10 more,
00:11:02.480 | I probably could.
00:11:03.420 | But these are generally the questions
00:11:05.320 | that you guys all probably got.
00:11:06.580 | Now, I'm going to be talking about three things today, okay?
00:11:09.900 | So namely, if any man is above reproach.
00:11:12.560 | So the above reproach, what is that?
00:11:14.140 | Does it mean perfect?
00:11:15.940 | Okay. Then all of the pastors
00:11:20.100 | and the elders here would be disqualified.
00:11:21.420 | But just anyway, above reproach.
00:11:23.020 | The second thing we're going to look
00:11:24.700 | at together is what does it mean to be a husband of one wife?
00:11:27.300 | Okay. And then the third one is about the children.
00:11:31.680 | All right.
00:11:33.060 | And I'm assuming this is
00:11:34.120 | where you guys had the most lively discussions.
00:11:36.620 | And on this note, I wanted to share with you --
00:11:38.900 | can you guys click the slides?
00:11:46.360 | Okay. So what we want is exegesis, okay?
00:11:52.840 | So when we're looking at these passages,
00:11:54.620 | we're trying to have exegesis, which is the process of drawing
00:11:59.300 | out the meaning from scripture in accordance with the context
00:12:03.220 | and discoveral meaning of its author.
00:12:05.040 | We want to apply what Paul meant.
00:12:09.800 | Make sense?
00:12:12.260 | Paul's dead.
00:12:14.600 | This was written many years ago.
00:12:17.460 | So we want to get as close to the application
00:12:22.940 | that Paul wanted us to make.
00:12:24.540 | And through that, the process is we dive in
00:12:28.600 | and we try to take out whatever is in there, okay?
00:12:32.780 | Exegesis, on the other hand, which is not good,
00:12:38.300 | it's the process by which the reader imposes or injects his
00:12:43.940 | or her interpretation into the text.
00:12:45.920 | We don't want to do that, okay?
00:12:49.660 | And it's very easy to do.
00:12:51.440 | That's the default setting.
00:12:52.760 | I'm going to read the passage through my eyes and the lens --
00:12:58.000 | I want to take my cultural goggles and interpret it
00:13:01.220 | and scrutinize it the way I want to, and that's incorrect.
00:13:04.120 | So what we want to do through inductive study is land
00:13:08.400 | on neither legalism or liberalism.
00:13:12.060 | Neither like Bible thumping, this is what the Bible says
00:13:16.720 | to the letter, so we need
00:13:17.840 | to carefully follow it all the way to the T, okay?
00:13:21.660 | You can go wrong in that way.
00:13:23.700 | Or you could be like, well,
00:13:25.800 | the Bible is just ideals and standards.
00:13:27.680 | It's not reality, so we can't really put it into practice.
00:13:30.400 | If we really tried to put it
00:13:31.560 | into practice, we would have zero pastors.
00:13:33.440 | Like that kind of mentality is also erroneous.
00:13:36.540 | So legalism and liberalism are two sides of the same coin.
00:13:40.700 | It's biblical illiteracy on steroids.
00:13:43.400 | Does that make sense to you?
00:13:45.220 | Okay? Legalism is biblical illiteracy.
00:13:49.780 | Liberalism is also biblical illiteracy,
00:13:54.220 | and they're the same -- they're like the same.
00:13:57.200 | It's just the opposite application.
00:13:58.560 | What we want to do is understand what Paul's intent was
00:14:04.060 | and to apply it to the best of our ability,
00:14:08.340 | and that's going to be messy.
00:14:09.580 | That's going to be all kinds of exceptions are going to come
00:14:13.760 | up into our heads, all kinds of examples are going to come up,
00:14:16.540 | all kinds of just what ifs, but we want to apply it
00:14:21.480 | as if Paul was here instructing us with this text,
00:14:26.120 | this is how you're supposed to set up leaders.
00:14:27.840 | Follow me?
00:14:30.560 | Okay? So exegesis is the interpreter makes the scripture
00:14:34.720 | say what God has to say.
00:14:35.660 | Eisegesis is the interpreter makes the scripture say what he
00:14:39.480 | wants it to say, and we have so much of that going on.
00:14:42.660 | Every false doctrine comes from eisegesis.
00:14:46.000 | Okay? The Bible can't mean that.
00:14:48.560 | Like I had a really godly pastor, but he ended
00:14:53.480 | up getting a divorce from his wife, but he did
00:14:55.320 | so much to bring me to faith.
00:14:57.680 | He's God's servant.
00:14:59.200 | Now that's subjective experience.
00:15:01.240 | That's eisegesis.
00:15:02.240 | You guys following that logic?
00:15:04.760 | Okay? We want to be careful.
00:15:06.440 | So when we look at verse 6, we're going to kind of go inside
00:15:13.860 | and then we're going to just go broad.
00:15:15.120 | All right?
00:15:16.280 | What does verse 6 have to say about elders,
00:15:21.420 | and then what does verse 1, 4 through 9 have to say
00:15:25.120 | about elders, and then what does the whole of the epistle
00:15:29.200 | of Titus have to say indirectly, directly about leaders,
00:15:33.200 | and then what do 1 and 2, Timothy have to say,
00:15:36.740 | and then we're going to go even broader.
00:15:38.900 | What does the whole Bible have to say about the kinds
00:15:40.800 | of men God would delight to have lead his people?
00:15:43.400 | So before we look at, say, hey, Titus 1, 6 says,
00:15:47.400 | having children who believe.
00:15:49.440 | I know that guy.
00:15:50.560 | He's a pastor.
00:15:51.380 | I know him.
00:15:51.880 | He teaches well, but his son's not a believer.
00:15:54.620 | He needs to get out of the pulpit.
00:15:55.960 | Ooh, that's biblical illiteracy.
00:15:57.880 | If that's all you're going off of.
00:15:59.940 | Okay? So we've got to be very careful and precise.
00:16:02.740 | So I'm going to look at above approach first.
00:16:07.040 | This is an easy one.
00:16:08.480 | It literally is a combination of ah, which is not,
00:16:14.740 | and the enkaleo, which means call into account.
00:16:18.960 | There's no reason to put this man on trial.
00:16:21.600 | Okay? That's what it kind of means.
00:16:23.780 | Without blame, absence of accusation, unimpeachable,
00:16:27.280 | irreproachable character.
00:16:28.400 | So John Stott says, they should offer no loophole
00:16:32.700 | for criticism is what he says.
00:16:33.980 | And then I added the words in any
00:16:35.860 | of the character traits to follow.
00:16:36.960 | Okay? You're not going to get a perfect person outside
00:16:41.500 | of Christ, right?
00:16:43.820 | But what you want in a person who's standing
00:16:46.720 | up to lead a church is someone who is a flawed man, of course.
00:16:52.800 | But someone where you really can't accuse him
00:16:55.040 | of much outside of just being a sinner.
00:16:57.060 | Not just you understand that.
00:17:00.560 | Okay? So above approach does not mean perfect.
00:17:03.300 | The word perfect is actually a different word,
00:17:06.180 | unblemished, a momos.
00:17:08.200 | Okay? And that's not the word that Paul uses here.
00:17:10.780 | It's basically you can't tell him to,
00:17:14.080 | there's nothing really to disqualify the guy.
00:17:18.260 | And I just have to make something up then.
00:17:22.480 | Okay? So that's the kind of person who is above approach.
00:17:27.580 | There's really nothing that you can say that says
00:17:30.640 | that this man is not Christ-like.
00:17:32.020 | So this man is Christ-like.
00:17:35.220 | And with each passing season of his life,
00:17:38.900 | he grows more Christ-like.
00:17:40.560 | And that's a man above approach.
00:17:42.480 | And then the husband of one wife.
00:17:46.120 | I'm sure you guys have had some,
00:17:47.100 | maybe some colorful questions and just curiosity here.
00:17:51.900 | It literally means one woman husband.
00:17:54.160 | Okay? G'nai is actually, it could be translated woman.
00:18:01.260 | Jesus calls his mom G'nai.
00:18:03.300 | Okay? He doesn't, like, he's like, G'nai.
00:18:07.660 | He doesn't mean wife.
00:18:08.340 | That's his mama.
00:18:09.100 | Okay? So one woman husband.
00:18:13.020 | What the conclusion is this, okay?
00:18:16.900 | An unsullied reputation in the whole area of sex and marriage.
00:18:21.400 | Simple enough?
00:18:21.940 | Okay? So you're going to probably have all these
00:18:26.280 | different exceptions in your head that can come
00:18:28.460 | up as possible, huh, what about this?
00:18:30.640 | What about this?
00:18:31.120 | What about that?
00:18:31.620 | The big picture is when you look at this man,
00:18:35.480 | he is devoted fiercely to his wife.
00:18:38.900 | It doesn't mean that they never fight.
00:18:41.080 | It doesn't mean, like, they have a perfect marriage.
00:18:42.820 | But it means he is devoted to his wife in both attitude,
00:18:46.860 | thought, and action, and reputation.
00:18:49.680 | There is zero doubt that he loves his wife and family
00:18:53.040 | and is committed to her and is not going to cheat on her.
00:18:54.700 | So that's pretty much one woman husband.
00:18:58.260 | Okay? What it doesn't mean is a widower who is remarried.
00:19:02.540 | It doesn't mean an elder.
00:19:03.980 | So it's like an elder is an unmarried person,
00:19:07.800 | or if a person's unmarried, oh, he needs a wife.
00:19:10.360 | He can't be an elder.
00:19:11.460 | So that's not what it means.
00:19:12.740 | Okay? Because if you want to try to apply it overly strictly,
00:19:17.520 | then you end up with some faulty application.
00:19:19.760 | So that's the -- those are the easy ones.
00:19:23.080 | Okay?
00:19:24.320 | [ Pause ]
00:19:32.100 | Can we -- yeah.
00:19:33.360 | Oops. No, no.
00:19:35.840 | Can you -- can you -- ah.
00:19:36.900 | All right.
00:19:39.520 | Never mind.
00:19:39.900 | The animation didn't work.
00:19:40.780 | It's this TV stuff.
00:19:42.020 | It's like all this technical stuff that --
00:19:43.480 | all right.
00:19:44.440 | So next slide.
00:19:44.940 | Okay? The bottom part wasn't supposed
00:19:47.240 | to show up for you.
00:19:48.000 | It was supposed to be like this.
00:19:50.120 | All right?
00:19:50.540 | But don't cheat.
00:19:51.040 | Okay? So verse six is a little bit tricky
00:19:55.980 | when it comes to children.
00:19:56.940 | So there is an interpretive problem here
00:20:00.220 | that we must pause to consider,
00:20:02.140 | says one commentator, Philip Towner.
00:20:03.640 | Okay? The word pista, it means believing,
00:20:11.460 | reliable, or faithful.
00:20:14.920 | Okay? It's translated believing,
00:20:17.760 | or reliable, or faithful.
00:20:19.640 | Even in the book of Titus,
00:20:20.940 | it's used two other times,
00:20:21.980 | and it's not translated believing.
00:20:23.300 | Okay? So does this mean believing,
00:20:28.420 | or faithful/trustworthy?
00:20:31.320 | That's a big difference.
00:20:33.400 | What if my kid is not a Christian,
00:20:36.620 | but he's a pretty upright dude?
00:20:42.720 | What if my daughter is very moral,
00:20:44.940 | pays her taxes, and does all this stuff,
00:20:46.840 | but she just can't bring herself
00:20:48.960 | to a saving knowledge of Christ?
00:20:50.880 | So there are questions there.
00:20:55.040 | Okay? So believing
00:20:56.740 | versus faithful/trustworthy.
00:20:58.060 | And the kinds of thoughts
00:21:01.300 | that probably will come
00:21:02.140 | to your mind are these.
00:21:03.820 | A leader in the church whose children are
00:21:05.600 | clearly nonbelievers might pop
00:21:07.720 | up in your head.
00:21:08.340 | Famous celebrity pastors whose children
00:21:10.700 | have strayed from the faith might pop
00:21:12.600 | up in your head.
00:21:13.240 | A leader with young children
00:21:15.660 | who have not professed faith
00:21:16.660 | in Christ become a what if.
00:21:18.360 | Okay? I don't think my kids are believers.
00:21:22.500 | Does that disqualify me?
00:21:23.940 | They're six.
00:21:24.600 | Okay? So my child has made one too many
00:21:29.300 | mistakes for me to serve as a leader.
00:21:31.200 | So if I'm a 60-year-old person
00:21:34.000 | with an adult child,
00:21:35.340 | but that child has made a pretty bad
00:21:38.820 | mistake in his life,
00:21:39.960 | does that disqualify me?
00:21:42.320 | Pastors or elders forcing their children
00:21:45.200 | to fake a profession or behave, perform.
00:21:47.280 | So if you abuse this verse,
00:21:49.140 | and I'm trying to get my kids
00:21:51.220 | to fake being Christians
00:21:53.460 | so that I'm not disqualified,
00:21:55.200 | I may end up with all kinds
00:21:56.800 | of bad fruit down the line.
00:21:59.580 | You guys can kind of see how
00:22:01.380 | that happens, right?
00:22:02.260 | So PKs oftentimes
00:22:05.980 | by reputation are either really
00:22:08.100 | like holy moly or they stray.
00:22:13.000 | Not just if you knew this.
00:22:13.980 | Yeah. But I think part
00:22:16.120 | of it psychologically may be the fact
00:22:17.800 | that they have all this pressure
00:22:18.900 | with all the eyes looking on them
00:22:20.220 | and maybe even mom or dad saying,
00:22:22.020 | "You can't do that.
00:22:22.920 | You're a pastor's kid.
00:22:23.960 | You can't buy that.
00:22:25.460 | You're a pastor's kid."
00:22:26.340 | And so you pile on years of you need
00:22:29.320 | to perform a certain way
00:22:30.440 | without really affecting areas
00:22:32.520 | of the heart.
00:22:32.960 | So we can all do damage
00:22:35.300 | if we misapply this to my kids,
00:22:38.200 | to Pastor Mark's kids,
00:22:39.080 | to Pastor Nate's kids,
00:22:40.120 | the elders' kids.
00:22:40.980 | Does that make sense?
00:22:42.380 | So this is very important
00:22:43.480 | to know how to apply this, okay?
00:22:45.500 | So I'm going to review a little bit.
00:22:48.160 | What does Titus 1,
00:22:49.820 | 4 through 9 have to say?
00:22:50.920 | What does all of Titus have to say?
00:22:53.700 | What do the pastoral epistles have
00:22:55.300 | to say?
00:22:55.760 | And my arms don't stretch any wider.
00:22:57.420 | But what does the whole Bible have
00:22:59.680 | to say about the kinds
00:23:00.460 | of men God would have delight
00:23:02.080 | to lead his people?
00:23:03.960 | I read that wrong.
00:23:05.020 | But you guys understand the gist, okay?
00:23:07.040 | So I'm going to go back.
00:23:10.700 | So the NASB made a little bit
00:23:14.540 | of an unclear translation.
00:23:16.620 | The not accused of dissipation
00:23:19.180 | or rebellion in the grammar,
00:23:20.720 | in the Greek, it's connected
00:23:21.920 | to the children.
00:23:22.520 | It's not connected to the person.
00:23:23.920 | But the NASB is the only one
00:23:25.780 | that kind of leaves it like, huh.
00:23:27.120 | So some of you guys are thinking
00:23:28.740 | like, then why use the NASB?
00:23:30.060 | We have our reasons, okay?
00:23:31.040 | Don't worry about that.
00:23:31.640 | But the NASB makes it look like,
00:23:35.540 | that's just another
00:23:36.560 | like a couple of words.
00:23:38.120 | But in the Greek construction,
00:23:40.080 | teknon, exon, pista, me,
00:23:43.440 | it's all connected, okay?
00:23:45.180 | So there's this whole thing
00:23:48.240 | about the children.
00:23:48.900 | But the word that's kind
00:23:50.780 | of the hinging word is this word
00:23:52.580 | pista.
00:23:52.960 | In the New Testament,
00:23:55.860 | whenever pista is used
00:23:57.460 | in the passive,
00:23:58.980 | it's usually in reference
00:24:02.120 | to let's say God's faithfulness,
00:24:03.840 | God's or Christ's faithfulness
00:24:06.540 | or trustworthiness of God's words.
00:24:09.840 | Believability, trustability, okay?
00:24:13.240 | Titus 1.6 is in the passive.
00:24:16.480 | And Titus 1.9, Titus 3.8,
00:24:20.580 | also use the word pista
00:24:22.420 | in the passive.
00:24:23.060 | Active use of pista
00:24:27.740 | in the New Testament,
00:24:29.040 | it's used of people
00:24:31.280 | who clearly are believers.
00:24:33.120 | And I have a list
00:24:33.760 | of references there.
00:24:34.360 | These slides are going
00:24:35.260 | to be made available to you.
00:24:36.560 | So you don't need to like write
00:24:37.420 | down everything, okay?
00:24:38.400 | The slides I'm going to put up.
00:24:39.720 | And unbelievers are never referred
00:24:43.520 | to as faithful or pista
00:24:44.720 | when you're using an active voice, okay?
00:24:49.640 | But this kind of makes you question
00:24:54.680 | like in a passive voice,
00:24:59.060 | the child has pista.
00:25:02.440 | Does that demand
00:25:06.160 | that that child is a believer?
00:25:08.080 | It's a little bit inconclusive
00:25:10.780 | and hard to fully nail it
00:25:12.500 | down just from this verse.
00:25:14.100 | All right?
00:25:17.700 | So when I'm looking at this,
00:25:20.880 | there's a tension.
00:25:24.540 | Because I don't want to get this wrong.
00:25:26.700 | Does this mean a child is just
00:25:31.140 | like not rebellious,
00:25:33.960 | not disobedient,
00:25:35.960 | but is just upright?
00:25:37.020 | Are there cultural things going
00:25:39.740 | on here?
00:25:40.100 | Because in this period of time,
00:25:42.020 | it was a lot more,
00:25:42.820 | think of an Asian culture,
00:25:44.780 | like old school Asian,
00:25:46.600 | where whatever dad says goes
00:25:49.980 | for the family.
00:25:50.600 | So for a dad to say,
00:25:53.000 | "We are believing in Jesus Christ."
00:25:55.520 | For a kid to push against it
00:26:00.680 | and say, "No, I'm going
00:26:02.200 | to live against this."
00:26:03.900 | It's actually a very active
00:26:06.140 | like pushing
00:26:07.940 | against the father's wishes.
00:26:10.560 | So is this pointing to the fact
00:26:16.400 | that a child has
00:26:17.340 | to have saving faith?
00:26:18.600 | Chapter 1, verse 6,
00:26:20.920 | I personally don't conclude
00:26:23.260 | that it does.
00:26:23.940 | Okay? So I'm going to leave it
00:26:27.540 | at that because our inductive
00:26:28.900 | Bible study, the goal is not
00:26:30.280 | to come to conclusions.
00:26:32.040 | The goal is to learn how
00:26:34.120 | to feed and to learn how
00:26:36.520 | to carefully exegete.
00:26:39.520 | Okay? So I'm going to go
00:26:43.080 | to a slightly different passage.
00:26:44.220 | So I'm looking at Titus 1, 6.
00:26:46.100 | Hmm. Titus 1, 4 through 9.
00:26:48.280 | Huh, not convinced.
00:26:49.880 | All of Titus.
00:26:51.300 | Ooh, pista is used differently.
00:26:52.980 | Then I'm going to go
00:26:54.160 | to 1 Timothy.
00:26:54.900 | All right?
00:26:55.900 | The other epistles.
00:26:57.320 | An overseer then must be
00:27:02.420 | above reproach.
00:27:03.180 | These are kind of similar
00:27:04.740 | listings.
00:27:05.620 | The husband of one wife,
00:27:07.400 | temperate, prudent, respectable,
00:27:11.720 | hospitable, able to teach,
00:27:14.880 | not addicted to wine
00:27:16.880 | or pugnacious, but gentle,
00:27:19.140 | peaceable, free from the love
00:27:21.100 | of money.
00:27:21.460 | So far it's pretty similar.
00:27:22.940 | He must be one
00:27:26.320 | who manages his own
00:27:27.740 | household well,
00:27:28.820 | keeping his children
00:27:31.840 | under control.
00:27:33.300 | With all dignity.
00:27:35.040 | That doesn't quite make me feel
00:27:40.100 | like, okay, believer.
00:27:41.180 | He has to be a believer.
00:27:42.120 | So now this is where it's tricky.
00:27:45.740 | Are these lists non-negotiables?
00:27:52.180 | When you see a list
00:27:56.420 | of qualifications for an elder,
00:27:58.180 | are these non-negotiables?
00:28:00.560 | Or are these kind
00:28:03.660 | of unattainable ideals
00:28:05.420 | that elders should try their best
00:28:07.700 | to model, but it's okay
00:28:08.960 | if they don't?
00:28:09.460 | Or are these things,
00:28:13.760 | things that would be nice
00:28:15.780 | to have in an elder,
00:28:17.000 | but not essential?
00:28:18.860 | We would rather have an elder
00:28:20.260 | who could preach well,
00:28:20.940 | who could teach well,
00:28:21.600 | who's good at organization,
00:28:22.760 | who's good at management,
00:28:23.640 | who's good at taking care
00:28:24.520 | of the kids,
00:28:24.960 | who's really gifted speaker,
00:28:27.360 | is a great communicator,
00:28:28.620 | writes books, has a PhD,
00:28:30.460 | yeah, character, whatever.
00:28:34.000 | And the reason I pose these
00:28:37.280 | questions is depending
00:28:41.240 | on how you view,
00:28:42.620 | which side you choose is going
00:28:45.700 | to end up kind
00:28:46.620 | of what you value in a church.
00:28:47.920 | Non-church,
00:28:49.220 | you kind of understand.
00:28:50.000 | Okay? I am absolutely convinced
00:28:53.660 | it's the first one.
00:28:54.220 | Are these non-negotiables?
00:28:57.560 | Non-negotiables, absolutely.
00:28:59.360 | Then it gets me spiritually
00:29:02.700 | constipated,
00:29:03.500 | emotionally confused,
00:29:04.600 | logically like disrupted.
00:29:06.080 | Okay? One, six,
00:29:08.560 | it's not fully clear.
00:29:09.800 | It's not fully conclusive.
00:29:12.800 | But I want to take this seriously.
00:29:15.420 | So what do I do?
00:29:17.320 | So before I make a judgment
00:29:22.340 | or a conclusion saying, okay,
00:29:24.420 | if an elder, let's say,
00:29:27.060 | the child hits 18 and says,
00:29:29.580 | you know what?
00:29:30.460 | I'm done with Christianity.
00:29:31.880 | I'm no longer going
00:29:33.220 | to follow Christ.
00:29:34.000 | I'm done with church.
00:29:35.020 | See you, dad.
00:29:36.280 | Does the pastor have to,
00:29:38.400 | or the elder have to come
00:29:39.320 | to the church and say,
00:29:39.940 | you know what?
00:29:40.360 | I don't live up to Titus 1.6.
00:29:42.780 | My child has disowned the faith,
00:29:45.280 | and I should no longer serve
00:29:47.040 | as an elder of this church.
00:29:48.080 | Is that the proper application?
00:29:50.440 | And it gets really tricky
00:29:54.920 | because a lot of the situations
00:29:57.280 | that these play out in real life
00:29:58.720 | are not very simple.
00:30:01.660 | Would you guys agree
00:30:02.620 | that it's not simple at all?
00:30:03.640 | Yeah. If I listed the celebrity
00:30:07.980 | pastors whose one kid
00:30:10.180 | or two kids don't believe,
00:30:12.480 | we would lose a lot of our leaders.
00:30:14.580 | But then I'm absolutely convinced
00:30:18.220 | that these are non-negotiables.
00:30:19.140 | They're not suggestions.
00:30:22.520 | Then my dilemma is I have to try
00:30:26.080 | to figure out what the spirit
00:30:28.880 | of the law is,
00:30:29.720 | not necessarily the letter,
00:30:30.780 | how Paul would address
00:30:33.320 | this situation,
00:30:34.200 | and I got to dig deep
00:30:35.920 | into all the scriptures
00:30:38.200 | to find a conclusion.
00:30:39.540 | If this whole thing hinges
00:30:41.540 | on one word and one verse, okay,
00:30:44.960 | in 32,000 verses
00:30:47.140 | of the scriptures,
00:30:48.120 | in 1,190 chapters
00:30:50.140 | of the whole Bible, one word,
00:30:52.060 | one verse, it hinges upon this,
00:30:54.060 | I need extra help.
00:30:55.640 | And God says he gives it,
00:30:58.200 | John 16, 13,
00:30:59.300 | the spirit himself will lead you
00:31:00.460 | into all truth.
00:31:01.100 | But that's why we need to dig deep
00:31:02.860 | into the source.
00:31:03.700 | And I'm not going
00:31:05.080 | to give you a conclusion
00:31:05.980 | because in some ways,
00:31:07.160 | it's still in process.
00:31:08.800 | You guys follow me on this?
00:31:12.860 | Okay. Then I go back to
00:31:16.100 | and then I'm tired
00:31:17.720 | of just looking down
00:31:19.420 | so that I'm going to pop back up.
00:31:21.600 | And I'm going to look at all
00:31:22.400 | of Titus again, okay.
00:31:24.620 | And then I'm going to look
00:31:25.820 | at these charts and the words
00:31:27.160 | that I made last week.
00:31:28.080 | And then I think through, all right,
00:31:30.960 | how do I get Maddie and Charis,
00:31:32.740 | my two kids, not to disqualify me
00:31:35.080 | from ministry, okay,
00:31:36.700 | because the wife won,
00:31:37.700 | that's on me.
00:31:38.460 | Well, the kids won technically,
00:31:40.860 | but I can't control my own heart.
00:31:45.440 | How am I going to manipulate this
00:31:49.580 | boy and this girl?
00:31:50.660 | And they're sinful.
00:31:51.620 | They're really sinful.
00:31:52.920 | Okay. How do I get them
00:31:55.400 | to follow Christ?
00:31:56.840 | And that causes me,
00:32:00.960 | when I look at Titus
00:32:02.360 | and realizing no amount
00:32:04.700 | of my hard work will get them
00:32:06.720 | to follow Christ.
00:32:08.000 | But what will get them
00:32:10.300 | to follow Christ is at the end,
00:32:12.060 | what leads to godliness?
00:32:13.580 | Knowledge of the truth,
00:32:14.560 | chapter one, verse one,
00:32:15.420 | the grace of God,
00:32:16.040 | chapter two, verse 11.
00:32:17.420 | And work of the Holy Spirit,
00:32:19.640 | chapter three, five.
00:32:20.480 | I need to pray.
00:32:21.720 | And I will trust that the prayer
00:32:28.220 | of a righteous man is powerful
00:32:30.600 | and effective,
00:32:31.280 | assuming I'm a righteous man,
00:32:32.880 | that God is eager to answer
00:32:37.800 | and to save and to bless,
00:32:39.440 | and I will throw myself at God
00:32:41.300 | and ask him to change my kids.
00:32:42.580 | That's my role.
00:32:43.600 | But where pastors
00:32:46.320 | and church leaders go wrong is
00:32:47.680 | they try to get the kid
00:32:49.040 | to like behave and conform.
00:32:50.920 | And then the church culture,
00:32:53.400 | the church village tries
00:32:55.240 | to nitpick at that child.
00:32:57.000 | What abuse that is, right?
00:32:59.360 | When at the end of the day
00:33:02.240 | when you do a proper study
00:33:03.460 | of the scriptures,
00:33:04.120 | it is not based on me
00:33:08.160 | manipulating my kid into faith.
00:33:10.120 | I can't do much
00:33:13.880 | to save my child outside
00:33:15.300 | of prayer.
00:33:16.680 | But I could do a lot to get
00:33:17.600 | in the way of everything
00:33:18.840 | and mess it up.
00:33:19.360 | So my job as a father,
00:33:24.600 | as a husband, as a pastor,
00:33:26.080 | is to make sure everything I'm
00:33:29.520 | preaching is biblical,
00:33:31.240 | that my life looks
00:33:34.440 | like what I'm preaching,
00:33:35.400 | not just in front of you,
00:33:38.240 | but in front of my wife and kids.
00:33:40.320 | Yeah, good luck, Peter Chung.
00:33:42.720 | That's why this is not all
00:33:47.600 | dependent on the pastor
00:33:50.160 | or the leader.
00:33:50.760 | The pastor and the leaders
00:33:52.320 | absolutely need the prayer
00:33:55.160 | of the people.
00:33:55.640 | Because what's Satan's strategy?
00:33:57.280 | Attack the top,
00:34:00.160 | divide and conquer, always.
00:34:02.600 | That's why the next quality,
00:34:06.680 | the first thing you're going
00:34:07.360 | to see after above approach is
00:34:08.600 | not self-willed.
00:34:09.340 | You can't have pastors
00:34:12.180 | and elders with agendas
00:34:14.160 | who are trying to jockey
00:34:16.440 | for position, who have ambition,
00:34:19.160 | because that always leads
00:34:21.120 | to strife.
00:34:21.760 | But if we're not careful
00:34:25.400 | and we're being attacked
00:34:28.520 | by spiritual demonic elements
00:34:31.400 | to distract or hinder,
00:34:32.920 | our church is growing.
00:34:33.840 | Oh, great.
00:34:34.840 | We're doing a great job.
00:34:36.360 | Boom, puffed up.
00:34:37.680 | There you go.
00:34:38.320 | Satan's had a small victory
00:34:41.520 | there.
00:34:41.660 | You need to pray
00:34:44.300 | so that my prayers are also
00:34:50.300 | powerful and effective
00:34:51.380 | and you need to join me
00:34:53.020 | that my kids' salvation,
00:34:54.940 | which is not dependent
00:34:56.460 | on me anyway,
00:34:57.260 | my kids come to faith in Christ,
00:35:00.220 | to God's glory,
00:35:03.620 | and to the effectiveness
00:35:07.500 | of his kingdom building.
00:35:10.500 | So, verse 6,
00:35:12.160 | I have more questions
00:35:14.280 | than answers,
00:35:14.840 | and I've spent the last 30
00:35:17.860 | something, like 30 something
00:35:19.120 | hours in the last couple days,
00:35:20.840 | like just trying to figure
00:35:23.240 | out how to teach this.
00:35:24.600 | And I'm so thankful
00:35:27.440 | because I actually probably
00:35:28.360 | gleaned more than anybody else
00:35:29.560 | did because I'm just
00:35:30.280 | in the text.
00:35:31.440 | And I didn't leave
00:35:33.880 | with a conclusion.
00:35:34.560 | And I think that's okay.
00:35:36.200 | You guys okay with that?
00:35:40.500 | We're all still in process
00:35:41.940 | of trying to know the whole
00:35:43.580 | counsel of God.
00:35:44.260 | We can't do that
00:35:45.940 | on one Wednesday night.
00:35:46.740 | Okay?
00:35:48.140 | And as we grow in the faith,
00:35:50.620 | as the spirit of God
00:35:52.180 | guides us into all truth,
00:35:53.460 | things will become
00:35:54.220 | more and more clear,
00:35:55.020 | especially in the areas
00:35:55.940 | that are a little bit
00:35:56.420 | more complicated
00:35:57.140 | and not so simple.
00:35:58.220 | You guys follow me?
00:36:00.300 | Legalism, liberalism,
00:36:03.260 | two sides of the same coin.
00:36:04.300 | Cheap grace and fundamentalist,
00:36:07.100 | like abusive tendencies,
00:36:09.040 | it's the same thing.
00:36:09.880 | It's immaturity.
00:36:10.720 | But we need to be a mature
00:36:12.680 | people who chew on the meat
00:36:15.160 | of the scriptures.
00:36:16.000 | Amen?
00:36:17.360 | Milk, chug, you're done.
00:36:19.160 | Meat, you chug, you're done.
00:36:21.760 | You can't do that.
00:36:23.200 | You need to chew.
00:36:24.280 | And let's chew this together
00:36:26.520 | and then see what next study
00:36:28.600 | has to say.
00:36:29.480 | And then see what chapter
00:36:30.880 | two has to say.
00:36:31.480 | And then see what chapter
00:36:32.360 | three has to say.
00:36:33.200 | And then we'll go to first
00:36:34.520 | and second Timothy
00:36:35.400 | and 20 years from now maybe
00:36:36.880 | we'll have a solid answer.
00:36:38.520 | I'm just kidding.
00:36:38.980 | Well maybe.
00:36:39.620 | But certain things you want
00:36:41.380 | to tread carefully
00:36:42.620 | and ask God humbly for wisdom
00:36:45.180 | rather than to jump
00:36:46.060 | to a conclusion.
00:36:46.700 | Because especially,
00:36:48.260 | I'm sorry for those of you guys
00:36:49.460 | who are not Asians,
00:36:50.340 | Asians like answers.
00:36:51.860 | We like conclusion.
00:36:53.140 | Tell me how I'm supposed
00:36:54.500 | to apply this.
00:36:55.060 | It doesn't work that way.
00:36:56.180 | We really need to kind
00:36:57.860 | of let God's word speak.
00:36:59.340 | All right?
00:37:00.300 | So this is the application I'm
00:37:02.060 | going to leave you with.
00:37:02.700 | Just from chapters one verses
00:37:05.780 | four through six,
00:37:07.680 | pray for the leaders' marriages
00:37:09.080 | that God will strengthen
00:37:10.200 | and protect each of them.
00:37:11.120 | Pastors' wives won't always
00:37:15.400 | disclose whatever challenges
00:37:17.240 | that they have nor will pastors
00:37:18.520 | because it may become a
00:37:20.320 | stumbling block.
00:37:20.840 | Pray for the marriages.
00:37:24.440 | Okay?
00:37:25.880 | Pray for just,
00:37:27.720 | not just that they coexist
00:37:29.740 | peacefully but that all our
00:37:30.840 | pastors and elders really have
00:37:33.080 | just a strong relationship
00:37:35.560 | with their spouse
00:37:36.840 | so that with just a united
00:37:38.460 | heart and mind we're
00:37:39.240 | ministering together.
00:37:39.920 | Pray for that.
00:37:40.880 | Second, pray for the salvation
00:37:43.320 | of your spiritual leaders'
00:37:44.200 | children.
00:37:44.560 | Okay?
00:37:46.960 | And third, pray for God to
00:37:48.760 | raise up many more godly
00:37:50.080 | leaders from and for the
00:37:51.000 | church.
00:37:51.400 | That's how you can apply this.
00:37:54.120 | Not go on a witch hunt and try
00:37:56.800 | to find out which pastors you
00:37:58.800 | need to get off the pulpit,
00:37:59.760 | which elders you need
00:38:00.760 | to disqualify.
00:38:01.320 | The application appropriately
00:38:04.400 | made from this text is that we
00:38:06.240 | pray.
00:38:07.120 | Because it doesn't depend on
00:38:08.920 | our effort is what the whole of
00:38:11.160 | Titus says.
00:38:11.800 | It depends on God's grace.
00:38:13.320 | And help us cleave to the grace
00:38:16.480 | of God especially as the needs
00:38:18.120 | of the church grow.
00:38:18.800 | Amen?
00:38:19.840 | So I'm going to break you back
00:38:21.840 | up into your small groups to
00:38:23.440 | just spend some time in prayer
00:38:24.800 | and then follow up application,
00:38:26.560 | discussion and you can do that
00:38:28.000 | as long as you want.
00:38:28.800 | But just as a quick
00:38:30.800 | announcement there's no Bible
00:38:31.960 | study next Wednesday.
00:38:32.760 | Okay?
00:38:34.320 | So dun dun dun you have to wait
00:38:36.280 | till two weeks from now to see
00:38:37.600 | what elders, what other elders
00:38:40.040 | have to.
00:38:40.400 | This is a very difficult passage
00:38:42.760 | for leadership because it's like
00:38:43.960 | our feet are put out to the
00:38:45.280 | fire.
00:38:45.520 | But one through seven through
00:38:47.240 | nine and then same thing
00:38:49.920 | inductive questions observations
00:38:51.480 | how do these verses fit into the
00:38:53.240 | context of the rest of section
00:38:54.320 | chapter letter and then what are
00:38:56.120 | some practical and measurable
00:38:57.680 | applications you can draw from
00:38:59.280 | these verses.
00:39:00.200 | And that's for Wednesday the 22nd
00:39:02.440 | because next Friday we have
00:39:04.120 | praise and prayer.
00:39:04.640 | So we're not here Wednesday.
00:39:05.640 | We're here Friday.
00:39:06.280 | All right.
00:39:07.800 | Okay.
00:39:08.880 | So yeah I'm going to my
00:39:12.920 | computer's about to run out of
00:39:13.760 | battery but it is absolutely
00:39:17.320 | essential for you guys to pray
00:39:19.320 | for the leadership because John
00:39:22.640 | McCarthy one thing he says is
00:39:23.960 | the church can survive anything
00:39:25.560 | except a failure in leadership.
00:39:27.480 | A failure or factions in
00:39:30.840 | leadership a church can survive
00:39:31.920 | anything but that.
00:39:32.560 | And so pray for the strength of
00:39:35.040 | our leaders.
00:39:35.800 | And pray for more leaders to
00:39:36.680 | come up.
00:39:37.000 | Amen.
00:39:38.160 | And let me pray and then I'll
00:39:40.120 | let you go back to your small
00:39:41.240 | groups.
00:39:41.440 | Father we are weak.
00:39:45.120 | We are prone to misinterpret.
00:39:49.280 | We are prone to make subjective
00:39:52.320 | opinion.
00:39:53.160 | Your will for our lives.
00:39:55.840 | So I pray that you would help us
00:39:58.000 | to dive deep into your word.
00:39:59.680 | And to humbly.
00:40:01.640 | Trembling before you.
00:40:05.040 | Seek wisdom.
00:40:05.760 | And we know that you've said you
00:40:08.160 | will gladly give it if we ask in
00:40:10.080 | faith.
00:40:10.480 | So we ask now that you would
00:40:12.880 | give us wisdom and insight into
00:40:14.760 | your word to know how to apply
00:40:18.640 | especially the harder texts in
00:40:21.120 | the word of God.
00:40:21.680 | And so we pray for your help as
00:40:23.800 | we pray together that you would
00:40:25.280 | help us not to pray religious
00:40:26.840 | words or repetitive phrases but
00:40:29.440 | help us really to pray and
00:40:31.040 | intercede.
00:40:33.240 | Just with our whole hearts in
00:40:34.840 | tune with your spirit.
00:40:36.240 | And we ask these things in Jesus
00:40:38.320 | name.
00:40:38.480 | Amen.
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