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Mark 6-6-12


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00:00:00.000 | I'm not going to name names if we're recording, so those in the brown chairs.
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00:00:24.000 | We're going to get started.
00:00:25.000 | Let me open this up in a word of prayer and then we'll begin.
00:00:31.720 | Father God, we thank you again for another night in which we can study the Gospel of
00:00:36.040 | Mark.
00:00:37.040 | We thank you so much for your grace in providing this account of our Lord and Savior.
00:00:42.920 | That Lord, through our study, we may understand more of who our Lord and Savior is and how
00:00:49.440 | we may be inspired, Lord God, to really live out our lives in faith, to live out our lives
00:00:56.400 | for the sake of your glory.
00:00:58.720 | And so Father, I ask that as we just go and pretty much conclude, Lord, Jesus' ministry
00:01:08.880 | in Galilee with the fourth withdrawal, that Lord, you may open the eyes of our hearts
00:01:13.760 | to see what your word has to say and that it may impact us, Father, not so that we may
00:01:20.200 | feel good about ourselves or have a better understanding of you, but that Lord, we may
00:01:25.480 | be responsible with the knowledge you have given us and to spread that knowledge to others,
00:01:30.080 | Lord God, whether it be those who are part of your kingdom already or those who are not.
00:01:34.840 | And so Father, we ask for your blessing upon this time and in your name we pray.
00:01:41.760 | Amen.
00:01:42.760 | So, previously before, I always gave you guys like an outline of what we studied in
00:01:49.040 | the past weeks, but I decided to take that out because it's getting too much and I feel
00:01:55.920 | like you guys pretty much know what's, where the gist of the progression of Mark is going,
00:02:02.200 | so instead of doing that, we just go straight to the outline of Mark.
00:02:07.540 | Just very briefly, he started off in Judea in chapter 1 verse 1 until 13, and then for
00:02:13.860 | the majority of the Gospel of Mark from chapter 1, 14 until the end of chapter 9, which we're
00:02:20.100 | going to cover tonight, he was in Galilee.
00:02:23.860 | Chapter 10, we call that the turning point in which there's a pivot where Jesus' ministry
00:02:29.100 | begins to focus and go towards Jerusalem.
00:02:34.260 | And then the concluding part of the Gospel of Mark, chapter 11 until chapter 16, verse
00:02:40.380 | 8, we begin to see, well, Jesus is in Jerusalem.
00:02:45.900 | So again, the Gospel of Mark is a very easy gospel to kind of just follow geographically
00:02:51.640 | and it gives us at least a little hint when we hear the chapter numbers where Jesus is
00:02:58.040 | and where, what he might possibly be doing, and so that's one of the great things about
00:03:03.420 | the Gospel of Mark.
00:03:07.260 | As we conclude tonight in Jesus' ministry in Galilee, again, we took note of the four
00:03:12.260 | withdrawals.
00:03:13.260 | There are four withdrawals that take place, and each one has like a marker that indicates
00:03:18.980 | that Jesus left Galilee to a different region.
00:03:23.220 | We cover the first three, the past three weeks, and we're on the fourth one with chapter 8
00:03:28.980 | verse 13 until the end of chapter 9, and we notice that in verse 13 he says, "Leaving
00:03:33.300 | them he again embarked and went away to the other side."
00:03:37.900 | And so that's how we know that he made another withdrawal away from Galilee to another region.
00:03:45.260 | And that's just a brief outlook of what's ahead with the fourth withdrawal.
00:03:51.380 | And as you can see, there's a lot of material, and I'm sorry for that, but that's just the
00:03:55.740 | way John Mark wrote his gospel, so.
00:03:59.360 | So we're going to cover all this stuff, all these important events.
00:04:03.660 | It's very significant, and so we'll try to take some time, and if I happen to run out
00:04:09.300 | of time, then we'll just, we'll end it there, and then we'll cover the rest the following
00:04:13.740 | week, so.
00:04:15.780 | All right.
00:04:18.220 | As we noted before, we're going to the final withdrawal, the fourth withdrawal, and verse
00:04:23.700 | 13 takes note that after he confronted the failed tag team of the Pharisees and the Sadducees,
00:04:32.200 | he just leaves them.
00:04:35.400 | He is upset, he is angered, he is sighing deeply, as we saw in verse 12, with the Pharisees
00:04:42.960 | and the Sadducees and their unbelief, and so he leaves them.
00:04:46.180 | He doesn't stick around to debate with them or to argue with them, he just leaves.
00:04:51.460 | And he embarks and went to the other side, and he goes to the north and east side of
00:05:00.240 | the Sea of Galilee.
00:05:01.240 | One thing that we'll take note in, and I'll probably repeat this over and over again in
00:05:07.000 | this final withdrawal, is that we begin to see Jesus' ministry taking a shift as he gets
00:05:12.960 | closer to Jerusalem.
00:05:15.360 | He's no longer solely focused upon the public, rather the focus of his ministry is becoming
00:05:22.180 | narrower as he seeks to invest into his own disciples.
00:05:29.320 | And so that's something to just keep track of as we track Jesus as he gets closer to
00:05:35.500 | Jerusalem, to see his love and care for his disciples and to see how much he wants to
00:05:41.660 | invest into them, to prepare them for Jesus' eventual departure.
00:05:52.260 | And so they leave Galilee, they leave Capernaum, and they're going to the other side, and as
00:05:58.660 | we pick up with the story, the disciples go on to the boat, and they realize that there
00:06:04.220 | is no bread.
00:06:05.220 | They were in a haste, again, it seems like they just got confronted with the failed tag
00:06:11.000 | team and as soon as Jesus spoke with them, he just kind of left immediately.
00:06:15.900 | So without warning, they're embarking on another journey, they didn't have time to prepare,
00:06:20.540 | and so they had no bread, and so they noticed that.
00:06:23.900 | And so Jesus, hearing their kind of complaints or hearing their concerns for the lack of
00:06:30.920 | physical food, he begins to, he takes this as a teaching opportunity, to not simply let
00:06:39.140 | them wallow in their physical need, but to really use that as an opportunity to teach
00:06:44.860 | them something.
00:06:46.300 | And we see that in verse 15, he begins by saying, giving orders to them, saying, "Watch
00:06:52.260 | out, beware of the leaven of, or the leaven of the Pharisees and the leaven of Herod."
00:06:58.460 | And so we want to take note that there's a double warning that Jesus is giving to his
00:07:02.940 | disciples, he's not only calling them to watch out, but to also be aware of the Pharisees
00:07:13.100 | and the Herodians and what we will later see in Matthew chapter 16, verse 6, also the Sadducees.
00:07:21.460 | And so basically Jesus is warning, warning his disciples in this boat while they're hungry
00:07:29.860 | to be aware of the leaven of the Pharisees, the Herodians, and the Sadducees, or better,
00:07:35.420 | you know, if you want to sum it all up, just the religious teachers of that day.
00:07:44.980 | And so, as he gives them this warning, this double warning to his disciples, the disciples
00:07:52.780 | in verse 16, they say, "They began to discuss with one another the fact that they had no
00:07:56.740 | bread."
00:07:58.020 | So it's almost as if they just kind of heard Jesus' teaching and it just went, "Woo!"
00:08:02.620 | Like went over their heads, you know.
00:08:05.660 | And Jesus being a great teacher was well aware of their ignorance, and so he repeats himself,
00:08:13.380 | and he says, "And why do you discuss the fact that you have no bread?
00:08:17.580 | Do you not yet see or understand?
00:08:19.580 | Do you have a hardened heart?
00:08:22.140 | Having eyes, do you not see?
00:08:23.380 | And having ears, do you not hear?
00:08:25.520 | And do you not remember?"
00:08:26.740 | And then, in verse, from verse 19 until 20, he kind of recounts for them the great feeding
00:08:31.980 | of the 5,000 and the 4,000.
00:08:36.580 | And so, one thing that we want to take note of is the fact that during this exchange,
00:08:40.860 | there's a lack of faith by the disciples.
00:08:44.260 | Jesus kind of calls them out and says, "Do you not yet see or understand?"
00:08:48.300 | Or you know, better yet, "Do you have a hardened heart?"
00:08:52.620 | And so they still lacked faith to understand what Jesus was talking about.
00:08:58.100 | And probably because of their physical needs, they were hungry.
00:09:01.060 | They wanted bread.
00:09:04.780 | And so, Jesus goes on and again recalls the two great feedings as to remind them of the
00:09:11.700 | power that he has to just kind of recreate food.
00:09:16.140 | But yet, Mark doesn't explain what the leaven, what that symbolically means.
00:09:22.260 | He doesn't explain that in this account.
00:09:25.380 | But in Matthew 16, verse 12, we take note that he, you know, he does explain to them
00:09:30.620 | what he means by the leaven of the Pharisees and the Herodians and the Sadducees.
00:09:35.580 | So if you want to turn with me to Matthew chapter 16, we're going to be flipping back
00:09:38.940 | and forth between the various Gospels here because we want to get a full picture of what's
00:09:45.740 | going on.
00:09:48.740 | We see in verse 12, "Then they understood that he did not say to beware of the leaven
00:09:55.500 | of bread, but of the teaching of the Pharisees and the Sadducees."
00:09:59.220 | And so we take note that the leaven of the bread or the leaven of the Pharisees and Sadducees
00:10:05.460 | was in fact referring to the teaching and influence of the religious teachers of that
00:10:10.060 | day.
00:10:11.700 | That as much as their teaching and the influence of the religious leaders, they might view
00:10:18.380 | it as being insignificant, it will have a widespread impact upon their future ministry.
00:10:25.940 | And so this was Jesus giving a double warning to them saying, "You got to be aware of the
00:10:30.060 | influence that the Sadducees and the Pharisees and the Herodians will give to you."
00:10:38.980 | Leaven is again that ingredient in bread that makes it rise.
00:10:42.500 | Just put a little bit of it in the dough and it will cause it to rise.
00:10:46.900 | I'm not a baker so I don't know if that's true or not, it probably is, but we all know
00:10:51.580 | that leaven has that kind of effect and yet he's using that as analogy to show that the
00:10:56.420 | religious leaders will use their influence to impact the ministry of the disciples in
00:11:01.740 | a negative way.
00:11:03.340 | And so he's giving them this warning in the midst of this boat as they travel across the
00:11:07.980 | Sea of Galilee.
00:11:14.500 | And so they arrive, they're on this boat, they arrive at this place called Bethsaida
00:11:18.180 | Julius.
00:11:19.940 | And I don't know if you guys are familiar with that name, but if you are, then kudos
00:11:26.700 | to you.
00:11:28.260 | Because this is not the first time that Jesus and his disciples arrived at Bethsaida Julius.
00:11:34.580 | We also take note in Mark chapter 6, verse 32 and 44, I think that's the great feeding
00:11:41.740 | of the 5,000.
00:11:43.940 | That's where Bethsaida Julius was and now they go back there and they're seeing, they
00:11:52.420 | enter into the towns.
00:11:53.420 | I just want to make sure that I got that one right.
00:11:56.660 | Yes, it is the feeding of the 5,000.
00:12:03.180 | So they arrive there and they're received well and immediately someone brings to them
00:12:11.980 | a blind man.
00:12:13.660 | They bring a blind man to Jesus and they're begging him to touch him.
00:12:17.820 | Perhaps because they've seen already the power of Jesus to heal various ailments and sicknesses,
00:12:24.660 | so they kind of bring him along and they're just begging Jesus to just touch him.
00:12:30.020 | Sorry, before we begin with that story, we want to also take note that this miracle is
00:12:36.900 | only found in the Gospel of Mark.
00:12:40.540 | This miracle and the miracle found in Mark chapter 7, verse 31 and 37, which is the miracle
00:12:46.460 | of Jesus healing the deaf and the stammering man, those are the only miracles that are
00:12:53.060 | recorded in the Gospel of Mark.
00:12:55.420 | We also take note that both of these miracles were performed outside of Galilee and in both
00:13:00.820 | of these miracles Jesus takes the person aside privately.
00:13:05.300 | And so again, these are private moments that Jesus has with the people that he's about
00:13:10.100 | to heal.
00:13:13.340 | And again, the private moment with the blind man, before he was being led by the crowds,
00:13:18.900 | but now he's being led by Jesus.
00:13:21.860 | Again we see that in verse 23 where he's taking the blind man by the hand.
00:13:26.380 | He brought him out of the village.
00:13:29.500 | Again the purpose of taking him outside the village is so that he won't attract attention,
00:13:34.860 | and he could spend that private moment with this blind man in healing him, outside of
00:13:40.420 | the onlookers that are just kind of, you know, just kind of goggling and just wanting to
00:13:47.140 | see a show, kind of.
00:13:49.140 | And so here he is with a private moment with the blind man, and here Jesus is having a
00:13:54.100 | conversation with him.
00:13:57.000 | And he begins by spitting on his eyes, the eyes of the blind man, and laying his hands
00:14:04.620 | on him.
00:14:05.900 | And Jesus asks him, "Do you see anything?"
00:14:10.380 | And the blind man looks up and said, "I see men, for I see them like trees walking around."
00:14:15.660 | And so we take note that, you know, he's, uh, didn't heal him completely, right?
00:14:22.140 | He didn't heal him completely.
00:14:25.060 | And so Jesus talks to him again, and he said he lays his hands on his eyes again, and he
00:14:31.020 | looked intently, and his sight was restored, and began to see everything clearly.
00:14:38.580 | This is the only recorded miracle in Jesus' ministry that was done in stages.
00:14:44.220 | A lot of times we see Jesus' miracles where he just kind of casts demons out without any
00:14:50.860 | struggle.
00:14:51.860 | He heals the blind, he heals the sick with a simple touch.
00:14:55.380 | There appears to be, like, really no need for stages for Jesus' healing.
00:15:01.740 | But yet in this moment with this blind man, for whatever the reason, Jesus decided to
00:15:08.460 | heal him in stages.
00:15:11.200 | He heals him first, and then it's not clear enough, and then he heals him again, and it's
00:15:16.060 | complete.
00:15:19.900 | So a lot of skeptics will look at this event, this miracle, and they'll kind of indicate
00:15:28.020 | that perhaps Jesus is losing some power.
00:15:31.380 | Perhaps Jesus is not as strong as, you know, he thought, you know, he was thought up to
00:15:36.500 | be.
00:15:37.500 | He couldn't heal this blind man in one shot, so perhaps Jesus is getting tired and weak.
00:15:43.020 | Perhaps he's not the Son of God.
00:15:47.420 | But instead of taking that view, we want to understand that Jesus is the Son of God, and
00:15:51.540 | that this whole incident is not an indication of his weakness, rather it's an indication
00:15:55.820 | of the precise control that Jesus has with his power.
00:16:01.660 | Jesus has precise control over his healing power.
00:16:06.980 | And considering that this miracle is placed right after the disciples and their misunderstanding
00:16:13.500 | of Jesus' teaching about the leaven of the Pharisees and the Sadducees and the Herodians,
00:16:19.980 | I think Mark is trying to make a point.
00:16:23.140 | I think the Holy Spirit, through Mark, is trying to make a point showing that these
00:16:29.580 | disciples who lack the faith in Jesus' teaching before are in need of just progressive understanding.
00:16:38.340 | There is a need for them to understand in a progressive way of God's salvation plan.
00:16:44.060 | That perhaps the first time, just like the blind man with the first time, they have a
00:16:49.300 | fuzzy understanding of everything that Jesus is teaching about.
00:16:53.520 | And that there will be a second healing, if you would say, a second healing in which they
00:16:59.780 | will be able to understand completely everything that Jesus taught.
00:17:03.340 | And that will come after the death and resurrection of Christ.
00:17:08.060 | And so the story of the blind man at Bethsaida is not only a story, more evidence of Jesus'
00:17:15.340 | compassion for those who are hurt physically, but it's also an indication of Jesus' promise
00:17:21.700 | to the disciples that you guys don't understand what I'm talking about now, but you will understand
00:17:27.820 | once everything is fulfilled.
00:17:34.880 | And then finally we take note that Jesus, after healing him, just instructs him to go
00:17:41.600 | home.
00:17:42.840 | Perhaps his home wasn't at Bethsaida, but he tells him to go back home.
00:17:46.640 | And it appears that the now unblind man, if I can use that term, the unblind one, obeys.
00:17:57.680 | Because remember usually after the healing and after he kind of warns them, you know,
00:18:02.040 | God takes note that, oh, he went about and told everyone and brought a big crowd about.
00:18:06.720 | Well, with the blind man at Bethsaida, there isn't any evidence of that.
00:18:10.680 | So it might be a good indication that he did obey the instructions of Christ.
00:18:16.120 | Alright.
00:18:17.600 | Any questions so far?
00:18:19.600 | Is that pretty straightforward?
00:18:22.000 | Thank you, Robin, for nodding your head.
00:18:25.880 | Yes.
00:18:27.240 | Alright.
00:18:28.720 | The next topic, I'm calling this the five theological bombshells.
00:18:35.200 | You guys will see why later on.
00:18:39.040 | But we see that after his healing of the blind man at Bethsaida, Jesus goes out along with
00:18:46.480 | his disciples to this area called Caesarea Philippi.
00:18:53.760 | And that's the backdrop of what's about to take place, everything that's about to take
00:18:57.280 | place right now.
00:18:58.880 | Caesarea Philippi is an area, a region of Israel where it's a mountainous region and
00:19:09.880 | they are a polytheistic, like, city.
00:19:15.480 | So they believe in many false gods.
00:19:17.560 | And one of the things about this place is that they place these pedestals to these false
00:19:21.960 | gods, like, embed them into their mountains.
00:19:26.280 | So they have, like, these little, like, shrines here and there where they replace their false
00:19:30.520 | gods.
00:19:31.520 | Okay.
00:19:32.520 | And so this is the backdrop of the city that Jesus is entering with his disciples.
00:19:40.240 | And again, as we already noted, and I'm reminding you again, as Jesus gets closer to Jerusalem,
00:19:48.240 | Jesus' focus is getting more towards his disciples.
00:19:50.720 | And so he begins to ask them these questions.
00:19:54.500 | So in the midst of these backgrounds with all these false gods, Jesus questions his
00:19:58.680 | disciples in verse 27, saying to them, "Who do you say that I am?"
00:20:04.720 | And so it's kind of a very unique picture where Jesus is standing there, and it wasn't
00:20:12.600 | a comparison with these other false gods.
00:20:16.540 | And he's asking them, "Who do you say that I am?
00:20:20.720 | You see all these other false gods, but what about me?"
00:20:27.160 | And this question kind of kicks off the five theological bombshells, and again, the reason
00:20:31.980 | why I'm calling them the five theological bombshells is because Jesus is about to introduce
00:20:36.140 | a new message, a new message to his disciples.
00:20:40.580 | And this is a message that's really different from the message that the disciples preached
00:20:45.220 | before.
00:20:47.380 | As you guys can remember back in, I think it was Mark chapter 6, he summoned the twelve
00:20:55.880 | and he kind of sent them out and told them to preach to the various villages and healing
00:21:00.120 | people.
00:21:01.120 | Well, this message is different.
00:21:04.320 | And here is Jesus going to start off with this different message by asking this question,
00:21:09.220 | "Who do you say that I am?"
00:21:13.460 | And so, we move on to the next slide.
00:21:17.800 | And the first theological bombshell that we encounter is the fact that Jesus is the Christ.
00:21:25.200 | He is the Christ.
00:21:28.860 | We see in verse 28, you know, the disciples are kind of just throwing out suggestions.
00:21:34.600 | They're saying, "You're John the Baptist," and others are saying, "You're Elijah," and
00:21:39.260 | others are saying, "One of the prophets."
00:21:41.860 | And Jesus continued by questioning them, "But who do you say that I am?"
00:21:45.740 | Peter answered and said to him, "You are the Christ."
00:21:49.460 | And if you guys remember Dr. Harris's message back in the summer, he's mentioning that "You
00:21:56.020 | are the Christ" is like a four-part affirmation.
00:22:00.340 | It's "You are the Christ, the Son, the God, the Living."
00:22:04.260 | Again, he's extolling Christ's identity to the highest level.
00:22:14.540 | Now we know that in Matthew chapter 16, there's a difference because after Peter gives this
00:22:20.460 | response of the fact that, you know, "You are the Christ, the Son, the God, the Living,"
00:22:25.660 | you know, he's commended, you know.
00:22:28.500 | He said, "Blessed are you, Peter," and all this other stuff.
00:22:34.380 | But we notice in Mark that that's absent.
00:22:37.180 | Rather, after giving the correct answer, he just, he warns them to tell no one about him.
00:22:44.420 | And so that's kind of unique to just the Gospel of Matthew.
00:22:52.260 | But we move on to the second theological bombshell, and that's the first mentioning of the Church.
00:22:57.940 | Now we don't find that in the Gospel of Mark.
00:23:00.260 | We don't find that at all.
00:23:01.500 | We find that solely in the Gospel of Matthew.
00:23:04.900 | And so that's one of the reasons why there's five theological bombshells.
00:23:08.820 | Four are only found in the Gospel of Mark, but the fifth one is found in the Gospel of
00:23:12.740 | Matthew.
00:23:13.740 | And again, that's the first mention of the Church.
00:23:17.740 | I'm sure for them, they didn't know that the Church was going to be like this.
00:23:22.460 | Perhaps they were confused and they had questions about what this Church would actually look
00:23:25.860 | like.
00:23:27.140 | But again, the message is beginning to change now for the disciples.
00:23:31.420 | They're learning something new.
00:23:34.100 | Whatever paradigm that they may have had is exploding.
00:23:36.820 | It's like Jesus is changing everything right now.
00:23:44.140 | We move on to the third theological bombshell, which is Jesus' death and resurrection.
00:23:50.420 | All throughout the Gospel of Mark, Jesus never mentions his death or his resurrection.
00:23:56.020 | And in Mark chapter 8, verse 31, he begins by teaching them that he is going to die and
00:24:04.620 | he is going to be resurrected.
00:24:07.820 | Now we want to take note that Jesus never talks about his death without his resurrection.
00:24:12.460 | They go hand in hand.
00:24:15.500 | They're like peanut butter and jelly.
00:24:18.540 | They go hand in hand.
00:24:22.740 | We notice that Peter doesn't take well with this particular bombshell.
00:24:29.340 | With this bombshell, he takes Jesus aside and he begins to rebuke him.
00:24:36.900 | Remember, this Peter was the same one that mentioned that you are the Christ, the Son,
00:24:43.580 | the Living, the God.
00:24:46.860 | So Peter rebukes him.
00:24:49.260 | But we know that later on in verse 33 that Jesus rebukes Peter back in return and says,
00:24:53.780 | "Get behind me, Satan, for you are not setting your mind on God's interests but man's."
00:24:59.220 | And so even though Peter was commended in the Gospel of Matthew, in the Gospel of Mark
00:25:03.700 | he wasn't commended and probably this is one of the reasons why.
00:25:07.220 | Because two verses later, he's going to get rebuked by Jesus and he's called Satan by
00:25:13.100 | Jesus.
00:25:14.100 | Again, remember Peter had a particular insight with John Mark, the author.
00:25:20.660 | So perhaps he asked Mark maybe not to put it in there.
00:25:23.100 | I don't know.
00:25:24.260 | But that's something that's unique.
00:25:28.720 | And so again, this third theological bombshell is the fact that Jesus will die and he will
00:25:33.340 | be resurrected.
00:25:35.620 | Perhaps the idea of his death and resurrection shattered, maybe shook up whatever kind of
00:25:42.220 | hope that they had in Jesus in regards to his Messiahship, or in their perception of
00:25:48.940 | Jesus' Messiahship.
00:25:52.780 | And so they're pretty rattled because of that.
00:25:57.100 | But the bombshells don't stop.
00:25:59.380 | Jesus has another bombshell to drop upon, not only the disciples but the crowd that
00:26:04.740 | is around him.
00:26:06.540 | We move to verse 34 and it says, "He summoned the crowd with his disciples and said to them,
00:26:12.180 | 'If anyone wishes to come after me, he must deny himself and take up his cross and follow
00:26:17.340 | me.
00:26:18.340 | For whoever wishes to save his life will lose it.
00:26:20.860 | But whoever loses his life for my sake and the Gospels will save it.
00:26:26.420 | For what is a profit a man to gain the whole world and forfeit his soul?
00:26:30.380 | For what will a man give in exchange for his soul?'"
00:26:34.820 | And so again, we see Jesus now stretching his teaching audience to the crowd that is
00:26:40.780 | around him.
00:26:41.880 | He's no longer just solely focused upon the disciples, we know that that is his priority,
00:26:47.500 | he's about to leave them.
00:26:49.900 | But he includes the crowd to hear what he has to say.
00:26:53.820 | And what he has to say is that there's a high cost to follow me.
00:26:59.220 | There is a high cost for this discipleship that you guys are all wanting right now.
00:27:09.080 | And so here is Jesus and he is making it very, very clear that if you're gonna follow me,
00:27:15.400 | you're gonna lose your life.
00:27:18.220 | But even though you lose your life, you're gonna gain something in return.
00:27:22.700 | And so again, this is a hard message for Jesus, or this is a hard message for the crowd and
00:27:28.900 | possibly even the disciples to hear.
00:27:32.020 | I know a lot of us have used this verse to kind of describe our desire to follow Jesus,
00:27:39.760 | but putting in the context of everything that's going on so far, this is a very difficult
00:27:46.920 | message for the audiences to hear about Jesus' high cost of discipleship.
00:27:53.960 | And yet he lays it out plain and clear.
00:28:00.040 | We also want to take note, the fifth theological bombshell, and that's what we find in verse
00:28:04.840 | 38.
00:28:06.080 | The fifth theological bombshell is the glory of God at the second coming.
00:28:10.920 | The glory of God at the second coming.
00:28:13.580 | He concludes his teaching to the crowd and to the disciples by stating, "For whoever
00:28:20.200 | is ashamed of me and my words in this adulterous and sinful generation, the son of man will
00:28:26.040 | also be ashamed of him when he comes in the glory of his Father with the holy angels."
00:28:31.640 | Again, you can't have the person of Jesus without the words of Jesus.
00:28:37.320 | You can't just claim to believe in Christ and not listen to what he has to say about
00:28:43.860 | our lives.
00:28:46.200 | And here the son of man, here the son of God is saying to them that, "If you are ashamed
00:28:51.440 | of me, there will be some consequences when he comes in the glory of his Father with his
00:29:01.840 | holy angels."
00:29:03.960 | He attributes the glory of God with the second coming, and we can even go back to Luke chapter
00:29:08.160 | 9, verse 26.
00:29:09.160 | If you guys could turn there with me.
00:29:11.000 | Luke chapter 9, verse 26.
00:29:13.720 | Again, in a parallel passage, we see in verse 23 that he's talking about the cost of discipleship,
00:29:22.640 | all the way up until 25, and then verse 26.
00:29:27.080 | "For whoever is ashamed of me and my words, the son of man will be ashamed of him when
00:29:32.200 | he comes in his glory and the glory of the Father and of the holy angels."
00:29:38.000 | Again, in Jesus' teaching ministry up to this point, in the Gospel of Mark, there has been
00:29:46.640 | no mention of the glory of God until at this point.
00:29:49.860 | Here it is right here.
00:29:50.860 | "The glory of God is going to come at the second coming, when I return, when the son
00:29:55.800 | of man returns."
00:29:58.200 | And so all the references in the Old Testament about the glory of God, all the stories that
00:30:03.240 | they've heard in the Old Testament concerning the glory of God, is now being attributed
00:30:08.480 | to the second coming.
00:30:11.800 | And within all those Old Testament references are the story of Moses and Elijah, and their
00:30:18.360 | experience with the glory of God.
00:30:21.520 | And so all that is being attributed to his second coming.
00:30:26.600 | And so again, you can imagine that the theological bombshells are just kind of rattling and shattering
00:30:33.200 | everything that the disciples had built up for themselves in their own understanding.
00:30:40.000 | Perhaps they had a grasp of Jesus' teaching at some point, but now with these five theological
00:30:45.240 | bombshells, it's kind of like, this is a totally different message that you were teaching us
00:30:49.760 | before.
00:30:50.760 | This is something new.
00:30:54.420 | But again, as we see, as we chart the progress of Jesus as he gets closer to Jerusalem, he's
00:31:01.160 | not holding back anymore.
00:31:03.960 | He's bringing everything to the table.
00:31:05.480 | This is what it is going to be like if you follow me.
00:31:12.120 | Any questions with the five theological bombshells?
00:31:15.600 | It's pretty straightforward?
00:31:19.760 | Alright.
00:31:26.360 | Moving on.
00:31:27.840 | We move on to the Transfiguration.
00:31:32.360 | The Transfiguration introduces a shift to the topic of the Kingdom of God.
00:31:41.200 | And we see in verse 1 of chapter 9, Jesus is saying to them, "Today, or truly, I say
00:31:45.980 | to you, there are some of those who are standing here who will not taste death until they see
00:31:51.280 | the Kingdom of God after it has come with power."
00:31:56.880 | And so verse 1 is probably in reference to Peter, James, and John, because of what they're
00:32:02.760 | about to see in the next, in the upcoming verses in chapter 9.
00:32:08.640 | And so, so he makes this statement to them, to his disciples, and six days later, after
00:32:16.120 | letting that teaching kind of sink in for all of them, Jesus took with him Peter, James,
00:32:21.080 | and John, and brought them up on a high mountain by themselves.
00:32:25.480 | And so, yeah, I'm pretty sure that map on your PowerPoint, or your notes, really can't
00:32:32.120 | show, but, Cesare Philippi is right here.
00:32:35.280 | This is where they were, this is where the five theological bombshells took place, where
00:32:39.360 | Jesus was comparing himself to the other false gods and saying, "Who am I?
00:32:43.960 | Who am I according to you?"
00:32:45.960 | And the mountain that they went up to, probably Mount Hermon, is right here.
00:32:52.880 | And so you can see that Jesus is really going out of his way to spend time with his disciples.
00:32:59.360 | He really wants to focus upon them, and to train them, and to invest into them before
00:33:04.120 | what will take place in Jerusalem.
00:33:08.120 | And so he takes the inner three to the mountain, and again, it's here where the transfiguration
00:33:16.080 | takes place.
00:33:18.480 | And we note in verse 2, it says, "And he was transfigured before them."
00:33:22.440 | That word "transfigured" means "changed form."
00:33:26.040 | It's like the same word used in pagan mythology to describe, perhaps, a Greek god transforming
00:33:30.520 | himself into a human being, or something like that.
00:33:34.680 | That word "transfigured" is also in the passive voice, so it means it's something that was
00:33:39.200 | being done to him.
00:33:42.640 | God was transfiguring Jesus, revealing to his disciples who he really is, as the Son
00:33:47.880 | of God.
00:33:50.880 | We take note that in the Gospel of Mark, he mentions that his clothes, his garments, became
00:33:56.560 | radiant and exceedingly white, as no launderer on earth can whiten them.
00:34:02.200 | And you can't help but to think that perhaps the Apostle Peter gave Mark that detail as
00:34:08.140 | he shared his story about the transfiguration.
00:34:12.520 | But we also want to take note that in Matthew and in Luke, they make an account of Jesus'
00:34:19.440 | face.
00:34:21.520 | And in Matthew chapter 17, verse 2, Matthew describes Jesus' face as "shining like the
00:34:28.480 | sun."
00:34:31.000 | In the account with Luke, in Luke chapter 9, verse 29, his face became different.
00:34:38.360 | And so, as to why Mark didn't include those details, we don't know, but all we know is
00:34:47.680 | that he didn't include them.
00:34:50.120 | But we want to take note that his transfiguration wasn't just his clothes alone, but it was
00:34:55.640 | almost like a physical transfiguration that took place.
00:35:00.760 | We also take note that he appeared with Elijah and with Moses.
00:35:05.840 | We see in verse 4, right, Elijah appeared to them along with Moses, and they were talking
00:35:09.780 | with Jesus.
00:35:11.920 | Moses, as you guys may have already know, Moses equals the law.
00:35:17.080 | He represents the law part of Israel's, or of the Old Testament.
00:35:23.440 | Elijah himself represents the prophets.
00:35:27.960 | And so you have two of the most significant characters in the Old Testament there, in
00:35:32.080 | the presence of Jesus and the disciples.
00:35:36.520 | They also have other connections between Moses and Elijah.
00:35:39.080 | You know, they both had mysterious disappearances.
00:35:42.320 | We take note at the end of Deuteronomy, when Moses dies, he goes up to the mountain and
00:35:47.240 | says that God buried Moses.
00:35:50.600 | God buried Moses so that his body cannot be found at the end of Deuteronomy.
00:35:56.640 | And we also know that with Elijah, he just kind of got caught up in a whirlwind of fire.
00:36:01.800 | Yeah, so again, there's some similarities in what Moses and Elijah kind of share with
00:36:09.160 | one another.
00:36:10.800 | But also, they also saw the glory of God.
00:36:14.120 | We take note of Moses' experience where he got kind of put in the cleft of the rocks
00:36:21.040 | as Jesus passes by, and it says that Moses saw his backside and his face like shine like
00:36:25.640 | crazy.
00:36:26.960 | And then Elijah in the mountains, he came out of his cave after being discouraged with
00:36:34.400 | Jezebel, and he saw the glory of God, but he couldn't really see it because he had a
00:36:39.160 | towel over his face.
00:36:41.020 | So you had Moses and Elijah, they both experienced the glory of God, and now they're here with
00:36:45.480 | Jesus, the Son of God.
00:36:49.960 | And Luke 9 verse 31 kind of reveals what their conversation was about.
00:36:56.080 | Remember we see in verse 4 again that they were talking with Jesus, but what were they
00:36:58.800 | talking about?
00:36:59.800 | This is one of the wonders about having three other Gospels, because they can all shed extra
00:37:06.080 | details into what took place.
00:37:08.520 | In Luke 9 verse 31, it says, talking about Moses and Elijah, who appearing in glory,
00:37:14.800 | were speaking of his departure, Jesus' departure, which he was about to accomplish at Jerusalem.
00:37:19.920 | And so again, Moses and Elijah were just not there giving like a chit-chat or, you know,
00:37:26.760 | talking about frivolous things.
00:37:29.120 | We have Moses and Elijah, and they're talking about Jesus' pending death, what was going
00:37:34.860 | to take place in Jerusalem.
00:37:40.720 | Now I kind of wonder here at this point, like, this might be a side note, but like how did
00:37:47.960 | the disciples know that it was Elijah and Moses?
00:37:53.240 | They didn't have photographs back then.
00:37:56.680 | You know, so how, I mean, like, I don't know, Bible's not clear in regards to that question.
00:38:02.280 | I don't know, it's just a question to ask, like, how'd you know that was Moses and Elijah?
00:38:07.640 | Perhaps Jesus made mention of them later on that was not recorded in the Scriptures, but
00:38:13.120 | anyways, that's just something to think about.
00:38:18.560 | Going to the next slide.
00:38:21.480 | We notice that after the disciples recognize this, Peter comes up to Jesus and he's saying,
00:38:27.560 | "Rabbi, it is good for us to be here."
00:38:31.400 | Peter is well aware that something magnificent is happening, something great is happening,
00:38:35.680 | something that probably only happens once in a lifetime.
00:38:41.160 | And he's coming up to Jesus and he's saying, "Rabbi, it's good for us to be here.
00:38:44.840 | Let's make this longer, let's make this party happen, let's make it, let's extend it.
00:38:50.360 | Let us make three tabernacles, one for you and one for Moses and one for Elijah."
00:38:57.560 | And so he's making a request to pitch these three tabernacles or these three tents.
00:39:04.600 | We know part of it was he said it out of fear because it says that later on in verse 6,
00:39:11.440 | "For he did not know what to answer, for they became terrified."
00:39:14.600 | He mentioned this out of fear.
00:39:16.680 | But it's also quite possibly that Peter's a lot smarter than we think.
00:39:22.480 | Peter was not saying this because he was, like, jibber jabbering or anything like that.
00:39:28.160 | It's quite possible that Peter had an understanding that the kingdom of God might be inaugurated
00:39:33.800 | at this moment.
00:39:37.080 | And so perhaps he's making this feeble request because he's understanding that something
00:39:41.680 | grand might be occurring.
00:39:44.960 | He understands the Old Testament prophecies.
00:39:46.680 | He understands that before the Messiah comes, Elijah was supposed to come.
00:39:53.400 | He understands all that.
00:39:54.440 | And so he sees Elijah, he sees Jesus, he already knows that Jesus is the Messiah.
00:39:58.800 | He's like, "Elijah, Jesus, oh shoot, something big about to happen."
00:40:05.200 | So he makes this request.
00:40:14.480 | But recognize that Jesus never really answers his question.
00:40:18.560 | He never answers his request.
00:40:20.880 | It moves on in verse 7, "Then a cloud formed, overshadowing them."
00:40:25.760 | And it says, "A voice came out of the cloud, 'This is my beloved Son.
00:40:29.880 | Listen to Him.'"
00:40:32.280 | Now the cloud overshadowing Jesus, it's very significant.
00:40:41.240 | We notice in 1 Kings 8 verse 10 and 11 that when King Solomon inaugurated the temple that
00:40:47.920 | there's a cloud that came upon the temple indicating the glory of God or the presence
00:40:51.740 | of God is with them.
00:40:55.320 | We take note in Luke chapter 1 verse 35.
00:40:57.360 | It should be 35 guys, not Luke chapter 1 verse 35.
00:41:06.600 | It's the angel conversing with Mary before Jesus is conceived and saying, "The angel
00:41:13.280 | answer is said to her, 'The Holy Spirit will come upon you, and the power of the Most High
00:41:18.000 | will overshadow you.
00:41:21.820 | And for that reason, the Holy Child shall be called the Son of God.'"
00:41:26.920 | And so again, we have this shadow, this concept of a cloud overshadowing people, indicating
00:41:33.120 | the presence of God in their midst.
00:41:36.980 | And so again, if we take this cloud here in verse 7 and how it overshadows them as being
00:41:44.040 | the presence of God, then this would make it the second appearance of the presence of
00:41:50.760 | God in the form of a cloud overshadowing something in 500 years from the time of Solomon and
00:41:58.120 | the cloud coming down upon the temple till now, to what we see here in Mark chapter 9.
00:42:08.440 | And so a cloud form that's overshadowing them, and just in case if the disciples didn't understand
00:42:15.440 | what this cloud and this overshadowing means, you have God speaking.
00:42:21.200 | And he speaks loud and clear.
00:42:23.700 | He says, "This is my beloved Son."
00:42:26.680 | Now that phrase has to sound familiar, right?
00:42:29.000 | That phrase, "This is my beloved Son," it kind of sounds similar to what God said when
00:42:34.440 | Jesus was baptized, right?
00:42:36.160 | "This is my beloved Son in whom I am well pleased."
00:42:40.480 | And so again, here's God, he's making a second reminder to the disciples there that, "This
00:42:47.480 | is my beloved Son."
00:42:49.080 | Just in case if you forgot.
00:42:50.800 | Just in case if you don't understand what's about to take place.
00:42:53.480 | This is my Son.
00:42:57.640 | And instead of saying, "in whom I am well pleased with," he makes it clear to them.
00:43:04.080 | He makes a command to them.
00:43:05.600 | He says, "Listen to Him."
00:43:10.480 | I mean if you want to get any more direct than that, I mean sometimes we struggle with
00:43:14.320 | the Word of God, and sometimes we read the commands that we read here and we're like,
00:43:18.000 | "Oh man, I have to do that?"
00:43:19.920 | I mean, can you imagine how the disciples must have felt?
00:43:24.680 | I mean when they hear the voice of God himself saying, "Listen to Jesus.
00:43:29.360 | Listen to Him."
00:43:33.540 | And so, in the midst of all of this, of all this that took place, we take note in verse
00:43:41.960 | 8, "All at once they looked around and saw no one with them anymore except Jesus alone."
00:43:48.280 | It's almost, it's like an abrupt ending to what just took place in the Transfiguration.
00:43:54.000 | But we know with further detail in the other Gospels, like in Matthew chapter 17 verse
00:43:58.760 | 6, it shows the disciples on the ground, right?
00:44:02.840 | They're just kind of on the ground, not wanting to look up.
00:44:06.640 | Their face were down.
00:44:09.880 | And it wasn't until Jesus touches them that they actually look up, which we find in Matthew
00:44:15.340 | chapter 17 verse 7.
00:44:17.780 | And so again, the holiness of God compelled them to really be afraid of their lives.
00:44:26.440 | They prostrated themselves before the Son of God.
00:44:31.680 | And it wouldn't be until Jesus coming and touching them that they would actually look
00:44:35.720 | up.
00:44:37.120 | And so, there we have the Transfiguration.
00:44:43.920 | The next slide here is just like a, just a little chart that I made, just kind of capturing
00:44:49.760 | the overshadowing part and the glory of God being associated with that.
00:44:55.980 | And so, that's just something for, just for your reference to take note of that when you
00:45:02.300 | read the other Gospel accounts, when you see this concept of overshadowing.
00:45:07.640 | More likely than not, it's probably an indication of the presence of God in their midst.
00:45:16.920 | As we continue on, we see that after all this happened, Jesus commanded them to not tell
00:45:24.120 | anyone what has happened until the Son of Man rose from the dead.
00:45:29.880 | He commanded them to do this because he didn't want the salvation plan of God to take place
00:45:37.520 | earlier than where God wanted it, so he warned them not to do that.
00:45:42.640 | And so, it must have been weird for the disciples to hear, like, "What do you mean the Son of
00:45:45.720 | Man will rise from the dead?"
00:45:47.880 | And so, they probably had questions about that because it says in verse 10, "They seized
00:45:51.640 | upon that statement, and they discussed with one another what rising from the dead meant."
00:45:58.360 | And as they kind of talked about what this resurrection means, the three disciples, as
00:46:04.000 | they walked down the mountain after this tremendous event, they just asked Jesus, like, "Why is
00:46:09.840 | it that the scribes say that Elijah must come first?"
00:46:13.760 | And so, they open up this question about Elijah, and this question about Elijah is very important.
00:46:21.400 | Because, not only do the scribes teach this, but the Bible teaches that Elijah has to come
00:46:26.320 | first to restore all things.
00:46:28.320 | And we find that in Malachi, chapter 4, verse 5 and 6, the last two verses of Malachi.
00:46:37.560 | And so, basically, what the disciples were doing is they were just asking Jesus, like,
00:46:41.320 | "What's your interpretation of this prophecy here in Malachi, chapter 4, verse 5 and 6?"
00:46:46.320 | Like, "We know that Elijah has to return, the scribes teach us that, so is it true or
00:46:52.080 | not?
00:46:53.080 | What does that mean?"
00:46:54.080 | And so, if you'll turn with me to Malachi, chapter 4, verse 5 and 6, and Malachi is the
00:47:00.920 | book right before Matthew, so just turn to the Gospel of Matthew, to the beginning, and
00:47:05.080 | then turn one page to the left.
00:47:08.080 | If you have a Bible like mine, it has a page about the New Testament, flip that page over.
00:47:13.280 | Malachi, chapter 4, verse 5, yeah, verse 5 and 6.
00:47:20.920 | And it reads, "Behold, I am going to send you Elijah the prophet before the coming of
00:47:25.520 | the great and terrible day of the Lord.
00:47:28.600 | He will restore the hearts of the fathers to their children, and the hearts of the children
00:47:33.280 | to their fathers, so that I will not come and smite the land with a curse."
00:47:39.640 | And so, they're asking Jesus, "What's your interpretation of this verse?
00:47:45.760 | Elijah has to come first and restore all things, what does that mean?"
00:47:50.040 | And so, they're asking, they're asking this because if the disciples are correct, if the
00:47:53.600 | disciples are correct with their identification that Jesus is the Messiah, their natural question
00:48:01.000 | is, "Did Elijah already come?
00:48:03.880 | Did Elijah already come?"
00:48:06.320 | Now we notice in verse 12 that Jesus affirms the teaching of the scribes and the prophecy
00:48:12.200 | found in Malachi by saying, "Elijah does first come and restore all things."
00:48:21.800 | And he, you know, Malachi 4, 5, 6, it just kind of describes like a restoration of the
00:48:25.880 | spiritual, spiritual relationship and preparing the hearts of the fathers and their children
00:48:30.920 | to repentance.
00:48:34.560 | That's what it's kind of referring to, but it's also bringing into fact that there's
00:48:41.720 | a suffering involved.
00:48:43.840 | There's a suffering involved with both Elijah and the Messiah.
00:48:47.400 | He says, further on in verse 12, "And yet how is it written of the Son of Man that he
00:48:52.080 | will suffer many things and be treated with contempt?"
00:48:56.920 | And in verse 13, "But I say to you that Elijah has indeed come, and they did to him whatever
00:49:00.960 | they wished, just as it is written of him."
00:49:04.380 | And so, here we have this coming of Elijah and the Messiah and the promise of restoration.
00:49:12.760 | And yet here Jesus is posing another question to them, saying, "Elijah did come, but he
00:49:18.920 | suffered.
00:49:20.760 | He suffered just like how the Son of Man will suffer."
00:49:23.160 | So you have to kind of question, I mean, if you're in the disciple's shoes and you kind
00:49:29.680 | of studied Malachi, you're kind of wondering, like, what the heck is going on here?
00:49:33.000 | Like, Malachi promised restoration, and you're telling us that they're suffering.
00:49:40.160 | And so in essence, in essence, what Jesus is revealing is that there are going to be
00:49:45.400 | two advents of Christ.
00:49:48.720 | There's going to be two advents of Christ, and as a result, there will be two advents
00:49:52.400 | of Elijah that will come.
00:49:56.880 | Matthew 17, verse 13 states that the disciples understood that John the Baptist was Elijah,
00:50:02.220 | so they viewed him as the Elijah of Malachi, chapter 4, verse 5 and 6.
00:50:08.800 | And so there are two comings of Christ, and there will be two comings of Elijah, the first
00:50:13.080 | pair already occurred.
00:50:18.520 | So the question that we have to ask is, you know, if the Messiah's suffering doesn't usher
00:50:22.600 | in the kingdom, and doesn't usher in this kind of full restoration, then does this mean
00:50:30.080 | that the prophecy in Malachi 4, chapter 5 is unfulfilled?
00:50:33.720 | That's the kind of question we have to ask.
00:50:35.720 | Those who say yes, that the prophecy in Malachi 4, verse 5 is fulfilled, they will have to
00:50:45.040 | do some crazy handiwork in kind of explaining all the prophecies of the restoration of the
00:50:52.040 | land of Israel and all that stuff.
00:50:54.560 | But anyways, basically, the stance that, at least what I see in the Bible, is the fact
00:51:02.600 | is that there are two advents.
00:51:04.400 | Meaning there are going to be, I mean, Jesus already came down once, with Elijah preceding
00:51:10.120 | him, and I believe that there's going to be another Elijah that's going to come before
00:51:14.880 | the second coming of Christ.
00:51:17.320 | And that Elijah will make the road straight, and will bring in the kingdom of God.
00:51:27.920 | And so, there's this aspect of double fulfillment.
00:51:31.360 | I'm pretty sure all of you guys have kind of heard about this idea of like, you know,
00:51:34.280 | already but not yet.
00:51:36.360 | That kind of concept of a double fulfillment of Old Testament prophecies, this prophecy
00:51:42.020 | would fall under that category of already but not yet.
00:51:48.720 | As one of the commentators write, he writes that when you take all the Elijah references
00:51:55.960 | and put them together, such as Malachi 3, verse 1, and Malachi 4, chapter 5, verse 6,
00:52:01.480 | and these other references in the Gospels, it's a consistent explanation that points
00:52:08.680 | to two comings of Elijah, and also the two comings of Christ.
00:52:14.000 | And so, there you go about that with the question of Elijah.
00:52:20.200 | Yeah.
00:52:21.200 | So, is there any questions about that?
00:52:26.240 | Any questions about the second coming?
00:52:28.640 | Do you guys believe that there are going to be two Elijahs?
00:52:31.840 | Well, one already came, but…
00:52:34.480 | Yes?
00:52:35.480 | No?
00:52:36.480 | Yeah?
00:52:37.480 | I have a question.
00:52:38.480 | So, when we read 4 verse 5, I mean, I believe in already but not yet, the only trove I read
00:52:44.480 | is verse 5 says, "The great and awesome, the great and terrible."
00:52:50.480 | How does the first coming fit in with "the great and terrible"?
00:52:53.480 | I understand the word "great," the fact that he's come is great, but how is the
00:52:58.480 | first time fact that he's terrible?
00:53:00.480 | The second time, obviously.
00:53:02.480 | He's not coming as a lamb.
00:53:04.480 | He's coming as a warrior.
00:53:06.480 | The first time he comes as a lamb, how does "terrible" fit into that description?
00:53:10.480 | I was always confused about that.
00:53:12.480 | So, how does, in Malachi chapter 4 verse 5, how does that word, or the adjective "terrible,"
00:53:20.480 | describe the…
00:53:22.480 | I accept that it's in reference to the first and second, because Jesus says, he's quoting
00:53:29.480 | it, and he's saying this is in reference to right now, but not yet.
00:53:33.480 | He's doing a commentary on that verse, but I don't see how "terrible" could
00:53:41.480 | categorize the first coming.
00:53:44.480 | Does that make sense?
00:53:46.480 | Because…
00:53:47.480 | Well, I guess you would have to see that word "terrible" as describing the day
00:53:50.480 | of the Lord, right?
00:53:52.480 | And so, I don't think the day of the Lord occurred in the first coming.
00:53:57.480 | I think the day of the Lord is in reference to just the second coming, so…
00:54:01.480 | But if this is in reference to the first time, he says, "Well, this is going to be
00:54:05.480 | fulfilled," right?
00:54:06.480 | I don't think that's what he's saying, but how does that adjective fit in at all?
00:54:13.480 | Right.
00:54:14.480 | Well, I mean, maybe not just this passage alone, but also Malachi 3.1 also describes
00:54:21.480 | the first coming of Elijah.
00:54:24.480 | Malachi 3.1 states, "Behold, I am going to send my messenger, and he will clear the
00:54:29.480 | way before me, and the Lord whom you seek will suddenly come to his temple, and the
00:54:33.480 | messenger of the covenant, whom you delight, behold, he is coming," says the Lord of
00:54:38.480 | hosts.
00:54:39.480 | And so, perhaps verse 5 is just in reference to the second coming.
00:54:47.480 | Chapter 3, verse 1 is in reference to the first coming.
00:54:51.480 | But then you would have to try to figure out what verse 6, where does that fit in?
00:54:56.480 | Because naturally it would fit in with the second coming, because verse 5 is talking
00:55:00.480 | about the second coming, but we look at verse 6 and we're kind of like, "Oh, he will
00:55:04.480 | restore the hearts of the fathers to their children, the hearts of the children to their
00:55:07.480 | fathers, so that I will not come and smite the land with a curse."
00:55:11.480 | So is that referring to the first coming or the second coming?
00:55:15.480 | Alright.
00:55:16.480 | I see Val first.
00:55:18.480 | Yeah.
00:55:19.480 | [inaudible]
00:55:24.480 | Awesome?
00:55:25.480 | [inaudible]
00:55:27.480 | Okay.
00:55:28.480 | [inaudible]
00:55:35.480 | Terrible as in like bad, like a bad connotation.
00:55:38.480 | That makes sense too, yeah.
00:55:40.480 | [inaudible]
00:55:46.480 | Yeah, I'm reading from the NASB.
00:55:49.480 | It says terrible.
00:55:50.480 | I guess the ESV may have been more positive.
00:55:53.480 | And so they...
00:55:54.480 | [inaudible]
00:56:02.480 | I mean, you could also just talk about just how...
00:56:08.480 | how momentous that day will be.
00:56:10.480 | I mean, maybe...
00:56:12.480 | I can't remember if terrible being given a bad connotation, if that was just a matter
00:56:17.480 | of human language over time, just kind of giving it a bad connotation, but perhaps back
00:56:22.480 | then it was more of a description of how grand, how momentous this occasion will be when the
00:56:27.480 | day of the Lord comes.
00:56:28.480 | So, could be that too.
00:56:31.480 | Alex?
00:56:32.480 | Same?
00:56:33.480 | Okay.
00:56:34.480 | Hank, did you have a question?
00:56:35.480 | A couple things.
00:56:36.480 | You know how you said second Elijah?
00:56:38.480 | Yeah.
00:56:39.480 | Were you basing that on, or is that like, like speculation?
00:56:45.480 | Or is that, you know, the theological account?
00:56:47.480 | Okay, so what verse is the second coming of Elijah?
00:56:51.480 | [inaudible]
00:56:53.480 | I think that is reference to just all the Old Testament prophecies because you have
00:57:00.480 | to realize that it says that Elijah will come and restore all things.
00:57:05.480 | Yet you look at when John the Baptist came and when Jesus Christ came, not all things
00:57:10.480 | were restored.
00:57:11.480 | And so, that leads to, you have to look back to Old Testament prophecies and see like,
00:57:17.480 | well, is it restored in a sense of like a non-literal restoration?
00:57:23.480 | Like, we all agree that there's a spiritual restoration that took place when John the
00:57:28.480 | Baptist came and when Christ came.
00:57:30.480 | And we're all spiritually restored.
00:57:33.480 | But is that all of it, or is that just the already not yet kind of answer that we've
00:57:40.480 | been kind of giving?
00:57:42.480 | So, for me, it's just when I read these prophecies and he's talking about how, you know, he's
00:57:49.480 | going to come to the great and terrible day of the Lord.
00:57:51.480 | The concept of the day of the Lord is like, is talking about the end times and clearly
00:57:56.480 | we're not in the end times right now.
00:57:59.480 | And so, this gives me the, at least the idea that there is going to be another coming of
00:58:05.480 | Elijah.
00:58:06.480 | Like the act of seeing Elijah in the Old Testament, or is that unknown?
00:58:12.480 | Maybe we'll note it when we see it.
00:58:14.480 | So, I mean, people didn't know John the Baptist was the first coming of Elijah until, you
00:58:20.480 | know, well, the disciples figured it out, but yeah.
00:58:25.480 | The other thing is like we were talking about how people were terrible, awful, dreadful,
00:58:30.480 | or awesome.
00:58:31.480 | It's like in this few chapters in New York Christianity where it said that like Christians,
00:58:37.480 | we love the holiness of God, but we also hate it because we're sinners.
00:58:41.480 | And because we dread it, you know, because although we're sanctified or we get justified,
00:58:46.480 | in the presence of God, still we'll fall down like dead men because we are still sinful.
00:58:51.480 | And so I'm sure that if we were to ascetize and saw the transfiguration, it would be,
00:58:56.480 | it was great, but it was terrible.
00:58:58.480 | And so that's what I'm thinking about.
00:59:01.480 | Okay.
00:59:02.480 | So the terrible is in the sense of the coming of this holy God.
00:59:07.480 | Right.
00:59:08.480 | Right.
00:59:09.480 | Thank you for the observation.
00:59:12.480 | Any other questions or thoughts, comments?
00:59:19.480 | Would you agree that the idea of the two Elijahs, it wasn't crystallized that Jesus said it.
00:59:26.480 | It was in the Old Testament, it was kind of sprinkled.
00:59:29.480 | But do you think they were able, like do you think one would have been able to deduce that
00:59:35.480 | hey, there's two Elijahs?
00:59:36.480 | Or did we have to wait for Jesus to say what he said, and then to, and to give a commentary
00:59:46.480 | and say, okay, that's what it means.
00:59:48.480 | Right.
00:59:49.480 | So James' question is, did the people of the Old Testament or as, you know, they received
00:59:54.480 | the book of Malachi, did they understand, right, if there were going to be like these
00:59:58.480 | two comings of Elijah and whatnot?
01:00:01.480 | I'm going to stick to what we saw with the blind man at Bethsaida.
01:00:14.480 | I think there's a sense of progressive understanding.
01:00:17.480 | And so I don't think anyone would have understood that there were going to be two comings of
01:00:22.480 | Elijah and two comings of Jesus outside of help, which they received with Christ and
01:00:28.480 | his explanation of all this.
01:00:30.480 | So, so the people of the Old Testament, they, I mean, they searched, they searched long
01:00:35.480 | and hard for all this, but, you know, they couldn't come to a definitive answer.
01:00:43.480 | And, and again, there's aspects of the Bible in which we don't know either.
01:00:47.480 | We just don't know how certain things work.
01:00:49.480 | We don't know how the Trinity works.
01:00:51.480 | We don't know how we're, you know, we're responsible for sin and how, you know, if
01:00:55.480 | God allows it, we don't know how that works.
01:00:58.480 | There's certain things that we just, I guess, won't understand.
01:01:01.480 | And perhaps we may understand later, perhaps, but.
01:01:07.480 | And so there's a sense in which this is, this in itself is an act of grace in which
01:01:11.480 | God is, where Christ is just kind of giving his disciples further insight into the
01:01:18.480 | prophecy found in Malachi.
01:01:20.480 | Okay. Any other questions? Yeah, Peter?
01:01:30.480 | [inaudible]
01:01:49.480 | Yeah, the two witnesses, yeah.
01:01:51.480 | [inaudible]
01:02:05.480 | Right. Peter's question is, is second coming of Elijah kind of referenced in
01:02:12.480 | Revelation chapter 11, right? That's, that's your question?
01:02:18.480 | I remember reading that in a commentary.
01:02:23.480 | And personally for me, I don't know, I haven't did like a study on that.
01:02:28.480 | But yeah, I mean, I do acknowledge that there are commentaries that do say that
01:02:32.480 | Elijah is one of these two witnesses that is mentioned in Revelation 11.
01:02:38.480 | So I guess for now I'll side with the commentators.
01:02:45.480 | And let's piggyback on their work until I figure it out.
01:02:48.480 | But yeah, I mean, you make a good point too.
01:02:51.480 | So yeah. So okay.
01:02:59.480 | All right. Any other questions?
01:03:04.480 | All right.
01:03:13.480 | I'm going to just end it here on this note with one more thing.
01:03:17.480 | Turn with me to 2 Peter chapter 1 verse 13 really quick.
01:03:20.480 | And we're going to end it here.
01:03:22.480 | We'll follow up the rest next week.
01:03:24.480 | But 2 Peter chapter 1 verse 13,
01:03:27.480 | we know that 2 Peter is, you know, this is the last leg of Peter's life.
01:03:32.480 | He's about to die, probably about to be martyred.
01:03:35.480 | And the thing that's on his mind at the point of his death
01:03:41.480 | is this event that we just read in Mark chapter 9 verse 1 and 13.
01:03:48.480 | In verse 12 it says,
01:03:49.480 | "Therefore I will always be ready to remind you of these things,
01:03:52.480 | even though you already know them,
01:03:54.480 | and have been established in the truth which is present in you.
01:03:57.480 | I consider it right, as long as I am in this earthly dwelling,
01:04:01.480 | to stir you up by way of reminder,
01:04:05.480 | knowing that the laying aside of my earthly dwelling is imminent,
01:04:08.480 | as also our Lord Jesus Christ has made clear to me."
01:04:12.480 | And then we go to verse 16,
01:04:15.480 | and he's going to remind them of this event.
01:04:18.480 | "For we do not follow cleverly devised tales when we made known to you
01:04:23.480 | the power and the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ,
01:04:27.480 | but we were eyewitnesses of his majesty.
01:04:31.480 | For when he received honor and glory from God the Father,
01:04:35.480 | such an utterance as this was made to him by the majestic glory,
01:04:39.480 | 'This is my beloved Son with whom I am well pleased.'
01:04:42.480 | And we ourselves heard this utterance made from heaven
01:04:45.480 | when we were with him on the holy mountain."
01:04:49.480 | And so again, we take note that this transfiguration event
01:04:55.480 | really impacted Peter's life.
01:04:59.480 | I mean, don't get me wrong, it's not done yet.
01:05:02.480 | Peter still has to make the three denials that we're going to see
01:05:05.480 | during the Passion Week, right?
01:05:07.480 | We know he's going to deny Jesus three times,
01:05:10.480 | and he's going to weep, and he's going to repent.
01:05:15.480 | But again, this event really left a mark in Peter's life,
01:05:21.480 | and even on his dying deathbed before he's about to perish,
01:05:26.480 | he wants to stir up a reminder of this event.
01:05:29.480 | And again, perhaps some of us have moments in our own lives
01:05:34.480 | where we can remember God being active or being clearly present
01:05:41.480 | in our lives, doing whatever blessing it may be.
01:05:46.480 | And so we'll end here for tonight.
01:05:49.480 | It kind of went a little bit longer than I wanted.
01:05:52.480 | But please pair up with someone that you believe--
01:05:56.480 | I mean, I'm not going to make a joke out of this one.
01:06:00.480 | Pair up with someone and share with each other, maybe,
01:06:04.480 | an answered prayer, a way in which God has--
01:06:08.480 | you know, you have seen God clearly working in your life.
01:06:11.480 | Share something in regards to that.
01:06:14.480 | I'm only asking that question because of what happened to Peter.
01:06:17.480 | He saw the Transfiguration on his deathbed.
01:06:20.480 | He made mention of that.
01:06:22.480 | So on your deathbed, what would you want to share with someone
01:06:26.480 | in regards to how God has influenced your life?
01:06:29.480 | All right, I made it into a joke.
01:06:31.480 | All right, whatever.
01:06:33.480 | Yeah, so we're done.
01:06:34.480 | So you guys could go ahead and pair up.
01:06:36.480 | And if you have any questions, feel free to ask.
01:06:38.480 | I will be walking around passing out homework.
01:06:42.480 | Thank you very much.
01:06:45.480 | Come back next week.
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