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EV Training Class #4


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00:00:00.000 | Okay, let me pray for us.
00:00:05.920 | Heavenly Father, as we talk about Christ today, I pray that we would see truly the good part
00:00:12.960 | of the Gospel, that it cannot and we should not get to Christ until we see the reality
00:00:20.880 | of who you are and our brokenness before you.
00:00:23.760 | Father, thank you for Christ.
00:00:26.680 | Thank you that we are people who are not just learning about how to perhaps clarify evangelism
00:00:33.480 | or the message of the Gospel better for ourselves, but Father, that as we hear about these things,
00:00:38.600 | we're reminded of the fact that this is our very hope of existence, the reason why we're
00:00:43.840 | able to wake up every morning.
00:00:45.880 | Father, any type of joy that we have is hinged on this Gospel message.
00:00:50.640 | So Lord, let it be a time of gratefulness, of joy, of worship for us as we learn about
00:00:57.320 | these things because we don't handle these things as if we're just going to launch it
00:01:01.200 | into evangelism, into this world, but Father, that this is truly our own truth.
00:01:08.000 | And so God, would you teach us and mold us as we go into this material?
00:01:11.160 | In Jesus' name we pray, Amen.
00:01:15.720 | Okay.
00:01:18.120 | So who is Jesus?
00:01:19.120 | This is where we're starting here.
00:01:21.840 | So the first, we're breaking the Gospel message down into four parts.
00:01:25.880 | The first was God, the second was humanity, and now we're getting into this part of who
00:01:29.420 | Jesus is.
00:01:30.420 | It is very difficult to talk about Jesus until you get through the first two parts in some
00:01:35.080 | way, shape, or form.
00:01:37.100 | But eventually, this is the place, I would call it the hinge, right?
00:01:41.760 | This is where it goes from something that can bring about a very bleak outlook into
00:01:49.300 | something that's going to show the goodness and grace of God.
00:01:53.560 | So if we're saying, "Hey, God loves you," this is where it comes in.
00:01:58.800 | This is where it has to come in because even though God loves us as creation, once we're
00:02:03.840 | broken into sin, we are clearly and confidently and with conviction able to say that God hates
00:02:11.580 | all sin.
00:02:13.400 | And God hates then all sinners.
00:02:16.800 | God loves His creation.
00:02:18.580 | He loves the fact that there is some semblance of the image that He's created inside of us
00:02:26.520 | and that there is a redemptive quality that's going to be happening as He looks at all creation
00:02:30.400 | that He will save some.
00:02:31.480 | So He loves humanity, but He does indeed hate the sinner.
00:02:35.840 | So Roman numeral one, Jesus is God.
00:02:41.680 | We're finally getting to Jesus.
00:02:43.900 | And even when we're talking about Jesus, we don't start with, "Jesus loves you and He
00:02:47.740 | died for you."
00:02:49.000 | We start here again.
00:02:50.000 | We're like, we're going all the way back.
00:02:52.720 | Remember that God we talked about?
00:02:54.480 | Actually, Jesus is God.
00:02:57.960 | We will this time start maybe from Tim and then we'll kind of go this way.
00:03:02.160 | So John 1030.
00:03:03.160 | It's a quick one.
00:03:04.160 | Yeah.
00:03:05.160 | I am a father for one.
00:03:06.160 | Yes.
00:03:07.160 | So simple.
00:03:08.160 | Okay.
00:03:09.160 | And the next, John 1, 1 and 14.
00:03:10.160 | In the beginning was the worst and the worst was his God and the worst was God and the
00:03:11.160 | worst became flesh as well as the mother.
00:03:12.160 | And He became His glory.
00:03:13.160 | Glory as of His only begotten Son, the Father, full of grace and mercy.
00:03:29.480 | We all know this one.
00:03:30.480 | Like every time a Jehovah's Witness comes in, this is what we jump to.
00:03:33.760 | And then Isaiah 9.6.
00:03:45.160 | This is the one I really like using with Jehovah's Witnesses.
00:03:48.000 | We ask, "Who are they talking about?"
00:03:49.640 | And they're going to say, "Jesus."
00:03:51.280 | And then you look at it and you go, "Why is He called Mighty God, Eternal Father?"
00:03:55.160 | It's actually confusing for us too, but we won't go there today.
00:03:59.040 | Colossians 2.9.
00:04:06.120 | And then Titus 2.11-15.
00:04:07.120 | "For the grace of God has appeared, bringing salvation to all men, instructing us to deny
00:04:28.080 | all sin, to forgive all that is evil, and to purify for Himself a people for His own
00:04:50.200 | possession, zealous for good deeds.
00:04:51.200 | These things speak and exhort and reprove with all authority.
00:04:52.200 | Let no one disregard these."
00:04:53.200 | Okay.
00:04:54.200 | I added that whole section just because it's so good.
00:04:55.200 | But the idea there is right in the middle.
00:04:56.200 | The appearing of the glory of our great God and Savior, Christ Jesus.
00:04:57.200 | And then we have a couple of other points there.
00:04:58.200 | 1 John 3.5, Revelation 17.14, Hebrews 1.1-8, Colossians 1.16-19, and many, many more.
00:05:06.040 | Jesus as God is the focal point of the gospel.
00:05:12.440 | Now the second part of that focal point is going to be Roman numeral number two here.
00:05:16.560 | So you just want to make sure to hit these two points.
00:05:18.520 | Jesus came, though, as sinless man.
00:05:21.440 | The Roman letter A would be that He is sinless.
00:05:29.040 | Can we keep going with Hebrews 4.15?
00:05:40.160 | And then John 3.5?
00:05:45.880 | Okay.
00:05:50.560 | So we have to hit both qualities of Christ.
00:05:53.320 | He came as man, and we'll talk about that now, but He came sinless.
00:05:57.080 | I would say in your mind, order it in that way.
00:06:00.480 | Just to make sure that you don't mess something up in your own mind.
00:06:05.320 | Before you get to the fact that He was man, He is sinless as He comes.
00:06:10.960 | Because we are coming from the fact that Jesus is God, and nothing gets lost in translation
00:06:15.560 | there in terms of His absolute holiness.
00:06:19.720 | The letter B, ultimately, though, is the fact that He is man.
00:06:26.440 | So John 4.2?
00:06:27.440 | And then Galatians 4.4.5?
00:06:38.440 | And then Philippians?
00:06:39.440 | "Who, being in the form of God, did not consider it lawful to be equal with God, and made himself
00:07:08.560 | the Lord God of His Father."
00:07:11.680 | So why is it important that Jesus is fully man?
00:07:13.840 | These are just texts for you to understand the authority of Scripture here.
00:07:18.120 | But for us, I think pretty much everyone here has gone through BCC, and we've covered this
00:07:25.040 | material on Jesus being fully God and fully man, so we're not going to go back into that.
00:07:31.520 | But if we could open it up for discussion just for a moment here.
00:07:34.440 | Why is it so important that Jesus is fully man?
00:07:40.080 | He could fully represent us.
00:07:42.720 | So if someone were to come to claim, and here's a substitute, it has to be something that
00:07:50.800 | matches.
00:07:57.160 | So we have to take it from the perspective of God, who is the one who is being offended,
00:08:01.120 | or even as judge.
00:08:03.360 | And so if someone comes and says, "Hey, you were driving this car, and you ran over my
00:08:12.280 | sister and she died."
00:08:13.520 | And he comes to court and says, "Well, I'm going to try to cover over something like
00:08:18.440 | this."
00:08:19.440 | No one's going to look at that and be like, "It has to be a life for a life."
00:08:23.880 | Your life has to play into this.
00:08:25.280 | But if someone comes and says, "Here's my dog," or something like that, "Take this and
00:08:29.640 | let it become..."
00:08:30.640 | It just doesn't fit.
00:08:31.640 | It doesn't match.
00:08:32.640 | There's this idea of fairness involved that really begins to show us that he needs to
00:08:38.800 | be a perfect match.
00:08:39.800 | But what else about substitute?
00:08:42.120 | Why does Jesus have to be fully man?
00:08:58.680 | Any other thoughts on this one?
00:09:09.720 | I think one of the important things is this idea of mediator.
00:09:14.120 | A mediator needs to be someone who's able to represent both sides.
00:09:18.640 | So if Christ is not man and he's removed from us, there's some kind of...
00:09:23.200 | Let's just say the fullness of deity only resides with him.
00:09:29.200 | Then for us, we're always going to be looking to him as someone who was not able to walk
00:09:35.080 | in my shoes.
00:09:36.840 | He was not able to actually accomplish what I could not accomplish.
00:09:41.560 | Because why?
00:09:42.560 | He's God.
00:09:43.560 | Of course God should be able to accomplish this.
00:09:45.880 | But if a man is able to accomplish it, then it becomes something that on this side of
00:09:51.080 | the mediation begins to work.
00:09:53.760 | So he is able to come into the courtroom of God and say, "I did it.
00:09:58.080 | I actually did what they could not accomplish."
00:10:00.720 | If he was doing that without coming down fully as man, that would not apply.
00:10:06.720 | There are many other reasons why this is so important, but the fact of the matter is that
00:10:10.680 | Jesus had to come to the world in the form of man and the way that he lived is now what
00:10:19.480 | we are in sanctification becoming like.
00:10:23.000 | If you want to be very, very careful about how you slice it, we are not becoming more
00:10:27.240 | like God.
00:10:28.240 | We are becoming more like Christ.
00:10:30.360 | And that is very, very important to remember for all of us.
00:10:34.000 | That we are growing in Christ-likeness.
00:10:36.640 | So even the fact that the Holy Spirit resides within us, when it says in John chapter 1
00:10:41.640 | verse 1, "In the beginning was the Word, the Word was with God and the Word was God."
00:10:46.400 | And then you jump to verse 14 where it says, "The Word became flesh and dwelt among us."
00:10:52.480 | The idea there is the word tabernacle, that he tabernacled among us.
00:10:56.920 | And so if you think of the idea of tabernacle, it is a place where God is able to reside.
00:11:00.960 | It is a place where God's presence comes.
00:11:04.440 | So Christ becomes that person who comes and opens the way to this.
00:11:10.000 | He opens up the doorway so that as we become like Christ, the Holy Spirit is actually able
00:11:15.480 | to reside within us.
00:11:17.160 | There is no way for God's presence to be with us unless the Holy Spirit is within us.
00:11:22.400 | And there is no way for the Holy Spirit to be within us unless Christ is able to kind
00:11:27.360 | of unlock that for us.
00:11:28.680 | And it is a little bit heady and you do not need to bring these things in, but for you
00:11:32.700 | to understand why it is so important that Jesus came as sinless man.
00:11:38.440 | Any questions about this one?
00:11:39.440 | Yeah?
00:11:40.440 | One of the arguments that you are posing is that because Christ is God and that we
00:11:47.440 | are trying to be more like Christ, wouldn't someone say you are still trying to be like
00:11:51.440 | God in that sense?
00:11:54.440 | Yeah, and the reason why I say be careful about this is because, not because we do not
00:11:59.960 | want to defend the Trinity, but because it becomes a rabbit hole that takes them away
00:12:05.320 | from like, that is not even the issue for them.
00:12:08.840 | When these questions will come up, you could address it, but I would say, I am going to
00:12:13.200 | bypass it right now.
00:12:14.760 | I would say, no that is a great question, but if we can kind of talk about what I am
00:12:21.720 | really trying to get to here.
00:12:24.680 | Because a lot of times, the questions that are being asked, it just pops up in people's
00:12:30.800 | minds as a secondary or tertiary question, but you want to stay laser beam focused on
00:12:37.440 | why am I talking about the fact that Christ came.
00:12:41.880 | I am not here to defend all the nitty gritty, which I can do, but what I want to do is really
00:12:48.280 | show you that Christ came.
00:12:50.360 | Historically, He came.
00:12:52.260 | He came into the world and He did these things and the fact of the matter is, He rose from
00:12:57.240 | the dead.
00:12:58.240 | There is a reason why worldwide Christianity has exploded onto the scene, where other religions
00:13:03.800 | take generations to solidify, this was momentary.
00:13:09.200 | He came as God into this world as man.
00:13:12.680 | He claimed His deity and people saw Him and people were proclaiming His deity.
00:13:19.720 | I am not trying to wiggle my way out of it, you are trying to keep them very focused on
00:13:24.520 | that.
00:13:27.080 | So I am not going to answer it because of that reason.
00:13:33.720 | We have this understanding that Christ is the only one who can reconcile us.
00:13:53.240 | So we saw God being holy and just and righteous and fair, wrathful against sin, and then humanity
00:14:01.880 | then falls under that, that umbrella of wrath that is just waiting to fall down upon humanity
00:14:10.640 | and demolish humanity.
00:14:12.280 | That is just waiting there.
00:14:14.120 | And so the question that automatically happens after points one and two of the gospel is
00:14:17.880 | what?
00:14:18.880 | Who is going to save me?
00:14:21.120 | What am I going to do then?
00:14:22.920 | And the answer to that is going to be only God can save you.
00:14:27.480 | Very quickly, if you go through points one and two, you are going to look around and
00:14:30.280 | be like, "Okay, there is nobody that can save me from God except Him."
00:14:35.440 | So then Christ coming down in the form of man, there is no other conceivable way of
00:14:42.900 | salvation to be able to occur in this.
00:14:46.440 | Because we are saying, "I need to pay an eternal punishment.
00:14:51.880 | The only way I could pay that eternal punishment is through eternal hell.
00:14:56.120 | But can anybody save me from this?"
00:14:58.000 | Well, the fairness of God would lack in any scenario I can conjure up.
00:15:04.280 | We could not even actually come up with this answer.
00:15:07.880 | That is why there is a part of Christianity, I believe it, because this is not man-made.
00:15:13.800 | There is nothing about this that any form of logic can get to this.
00:15:20.000 | That God says there is actually no conceivable way of humanity to even think there is any
00:15:26.240 | hope of salvation in the condition that we are in.
00:15:29.800 | But He says, "I will make a way.
00:15:32.200 | And the only way is through Jesus because you need God Himself on that cross."
00:15:38.520 | That is the only way.
00:15:40.360 | Who is the only one who is going to be able to acquit guilt?
00:15:44.720 | It is going to be the one who has been offended.
00:15:47.080 | So it is really confusing.
00:15:49.560 | People call it, theologians call it a scandalous grace.
00:15:53.520 | But the idea is when He hangs on that cross, the only holy, just, righteous one is hanging
00:15:59.840 | on that cross who is able to say then, "Now I can pay for your sins."
00:16:06.280 | Which is a mind-blowing concept that I know that I ought to be spending the rest of eternity
00:16:12.560 | in hell.
00:16:14.200 | Every day, if you call it a million years, if you call it a trillion years, that I should
00:16:23.100 | be subject to that kind of wrath.
00:16:28.880 | Christ on that cross was able to absorb that relatively in an instant.
00:16:36.600 | And so only someone who is eternal is able to do something like that.
00:16:40.920 | How can He, He is actually, when He was on that cross, He actually, in a manner of speaking,
00:16:48.480 | was able to absorb the wrath that I ought to be spending every day forever.
00:16:54.180 | And He took it.
00:16:56.660 | And so every single one of us that is a believer in this room, He did that for all of us at
00:17:00.820 | that same moment.
00:17:03.260 | Whatever you might say about the three days or the one day or that instant when Christ
00:17:06.980 | gives up His spirit, but He paid it.
00:17:10.060 | There is no conceivable way that if this isn't God on the cross that He could be paying this
00:17:14.020 | kind of punishment.
00:17:15.020 | Any other questions?
00:17:16.020 | Yeah.
00:17:17.020 | I always have this in my mind, this very gray area, at what point is man and nature sinful?
00:17:18.020 | Rebelled against God, but Christ clearly did not, can't rebel against Himself.
00:17:46.540 | So I always wonder what was the purpose of the temptation, the struggle, so that He could
00:17:55.380 | relate better to us?
00:17:56.380 | Did that come out of that something?
00:17:57.380 | I'm not quite sure.
00:17:58.380 | You know what I mean?
00:17:59.380 | Yeah.
00:18:00.380 | Sorry, my question is very vague.
00:18:01.380 | Oh no, no, no.
00:18:02.380 | I think it's a great question.
00:18:06.380 | I think what you bring up would be secondary though, right?
00:18:08.980 | That we can relate to Him.
00:18:10.540 | Like He can sympathize with my weaknesses, or I feel better about myself, you know?
00:18:15.100 | There's actually an element of that that's helpful.
00:18:17.420 | But the idea is that He was the perfect substitute.
00:18:21.460 | That's why.
00:18:22.460 | But the first part of your assumption is actually that man is not naturally rebellious.
00:18:33.460 | Sinful man is naturally rebellious.
00:18:38.900 | Adam and Eve weren't naturally rebellious until they fell, but Jesus never fell.
00:18:48.860 | He still felt the temptation like Adam and Eve, but the reason was Him.
00:18:49.860 | Yeah, yeah.
00:18:50.860 | And we could go into the dichotomy of the spirit and their flesh, but we probably can't
00:18:53.900 | do that this morning.
00:18:54.900 | But yeah, so these are all good questions that could come up.
00:19:00.180 | They're rare.
00:19:01.180 | I feel like it's rare.
00:19:02.180 | For those of you guys who go to evangelize, the problem usually doesn't fall with like,
00:19:07.740 | "Uh-uh, he wasn't like God, or he wasn't man even."
00:19:13.140 | But this is so important for us to anchor down in our own thinking.
00:19:16.540 | And so if these questions do come up, I will say, sidestep them.
00:19:22.080 | With confidence though.
00:19:23.080 | Don't be like, "Uh-oh."
00:19:24.080 | You know, like that kind of thing.
00:19:25.860 | But sidestep it with confidence in the fact of the matter, or in the fact that Christ,
00:19:31.180 | oh, okay, I'm really like fuzzy this morning, that this isn't their main concern.
00:19:40.140 | So okay, so let's move on.
00:19:43.800 | What has Jesus done?
00:19:45.420 | So Roman numeral number one, Jesus died on the cross to pay your penalty.
00:19:52.860 | And this is judicial.
00:20:02.380 | So I think the legal and the relational thing is spoken of all through scripture.
00:20:11.220 | So we talked about a little bit of that.
00:20:13.420 | Humanity is broken.
00:20:14.980 | So some of the ramifications of that was that there's a judicial ramification in the court
00:20:19.940 | of law, what we're declared to be.
00:20:22.060 | And also the relational thing, I'm just like, man, there's a foreignness about us.
00:20:25.780 | Well, Jesus came to bridge both.
00:20:29.540 | Second Corinthians 5.21, wherever we left off.
00:20:40.860 | The first Peter.
00:20:41.860 | "Who himself bore our sins in his own body on the tree, that we, having died the sins,
00:20:42.860 | might live for righteousness by whose stripes we were healed."
00:20:43.860 | In Colossians.
00:20:44.860 | "And we have been saved by the blood of Christ, and we are saved by the blood of Christ."
00:20:45.860 | Okay, and then some other supporting verses, and there are more.
00:21:06.460 | Jesus died on the cross to pay the penalty, legally, judicially.
00:21:11.500 | He bridged the divide in his own body by paying.
00:21:15.460 | There was no, it's not just striking it as if, oh, I never saw it.
00:21:20.260 | It's like he actually paid it.
00:21:22.420 | There's a difference there.
00:21:23.420 | That Jesus actually paid my debt.
00:21:26.620 | And then Roman numeral two, Jesus' death also restores us to God.
00:21:30.860 | This is the relational.
00:21:34.220 | First Peter 3.18.
00:21:35.220 | "Christ also suffered once for sins, the righteous for the unrighteous, and he might
00:21:36.220 | bring us to God, being put to death and nuflaged, but made alive in his Son."
00:21:37.220 | I think that when I walk people through conversion, people get stuck on the first and then forget
00:21:54.220 | the second.
00:21:58.900 | And when I ask, oh, this is your testimony, okay, was there a brokenness of sin?
00:22:03.660 | Many people say, yeah, there's a brokenness here now.
00:22:07.140 | But then for a long time after that, they still feel like kind of afraid under the mighty
00:22:13.740 | hand of God.
00:22:14.740 | And for a long time, I was trying to figure out what that was because I understand it.
00:22:18.900 | I kind of feel like that too sometimes.
00:22:21.120 | But really being able to feel the freedom of a relationship of someone who forgives
00:22:25.340 | you, that can be done only through the cross of Christ who says, now you are brought into
00:22:30.540 | union with God through my body.
00:22:35.180 | If you're to ask someone, I say, hey, do you feel like God's forgiven you?
00:22:38.500 | You'd be surprised how many people feel like, I'm not sure.
00:22:44.940 | We need to bring them to this point.
00:22:46.540 | God will completely forgive you when he looks upon you that he will, because of Christ and
00:22:52.820 | who he is and what he did on that cross, there is nothing there.
00:22:57.700 | There is nothing that he looks upon you and he will look upon you as he would look upon
00:23:01.860 | his very own son.
00:23:04.100 | And this is part of the good news of the gospel.
00:23:07.740 | And then Roman numeral three, we're going to be a little behind here today.
00:23:11.620 | Jesus was sacrificed out of a love for humanity.
00:23:15.260 | Jesus was sacrificed out of a love for humanity.
00:23:19.460 | So God desires for people like, when you walk with people and say, hey, do you feel like
00:23:24.540 | God's forgiven you?
00:23:25.540 | And they'll say, I'm not sure.
00:23:27.900 | The next question I'll ask is, well, did you ask him to forgive you though?
00:23:33.180 | And they'll be like, I think so.
00:23:34.180 | And I'll say, tell me what you said when you became a Christian.
00:23:36.460 | And they'll say like, I was confessing my sins.
00:23:41.580 | So they were saying like, I was broken.
00:23:43.980 | And I said, God, I'm selfish.
00:23:51.660 | I hate people.
00:23:52.660 | I'm an angry person.
00:23:54.500 | They'll say all these things.
00:23:56.140 | But sometimes people will just sit there and be like, God, I'm sorry.
00:23:59.180 | Will you forgive me though?
00:24:01.700 | And then receive his forgiveness.
00:24:05.220 | And God really desires this whole restoration with them.
00:24:09.380 | That there is no partial restoration, even in sanctification.
00:24:12.220 | It's a whole restoration with the sinner and himself.
00:24:17.820 | He looks upon us now as saints.
00:24:21.860 | Have you heard of worm theology before?
00:24:25.260 | Worm theology is awesome, and then it's the worst thing in the world.
00:24:29.260 | So the awesome portion is, it shows the person who is broken before God, and it's like,
00:24:34.940 | so man, I am a wicked sinner.
00:24:38.180 | And then so, the worm theology, there's a biblical term in it, right?
00:24:42.020 | They'll say, I'm a worm before God.
00:24:45.140 | That goes only halfway.
00:24:46.540 | So that's good, unless you stay there.
00:24:49.700 | If you stay there, the freedom of the gospel never comes to you.
00:24:53.180 | The gospel says, no, you are no longer there though.
00:24:57.020 | You are completely purged of all sin legally.
00:25:03.460 | And now you are, everything that happens then has already been paid on the cross.
00:25:07.340 | We're afraid that we're going to look at that and abuse that grace, right?
00:25:10.940 | We're going to grow licentious in it.
00:25:13.100 | But that's actually the gospel though.
00:25:15.820 | That every sin from here to the moment I die has been paid for by Christ.
00:25:21.020 | That's actually a very freeing gospel.
00:25:23.540 | And that it gives you the wings to be able to.
00:25:25.680 | And so we have to get them to this point of not just someone being broken over sin and
00:25:29.860 | saying therefore I will accept the love of God.
00:25:32.140 | But they need to feel that bridging of like, oh, you're saying God loves me?
00:25:37.500 | Great, I place my faith in Christ.
00:25:40.140 | But you have to walk them through the repentance and the accepting of forgiveness and the confessing
00:25:46.380 | of sin and asking them really, do you believe that Christ has fully paid for your sin now?
00:25:52.380 | That has to be there in this.
00:25:53.700 | And we're going to talk more about that next week.
00:25:57.380 | John 3, 16.
00:25:58.380 | "For God so loved the world that he gave his only begotten son, that whoever believes in
00:25:59.380 | him shall not perish but have eternal life.
00:26:00.380 | For God did not send the Son into the world to judge the world, but that the world might
00:26:01.380 | be saved through him."
00:26:13.940 | So God sent Jesus to be a sacrifice because of his great love for humanity.
00:26:19.660 | There's a song I grew up singing, it's called "Above All."
00:26:22.060 | Do you know that song?
00:26:24.100 | At the end, so it's a whole song that builds up like, God is above all things and at the
00:26:30.020 | end it says he loved me above all.
00:26:32.620 | And so I grew up like, really moved by that kind of song and then later on I was like,
00:26:38.860 | wait a second, this is a weird song.
00:26:41.580 | Did God really love me above all things?
00:26:44.380 | And so I went back and forth and then I went the opposite direction though of saying like,
00:26:49.100 | no, you know, it's all about God's glory.
00:26:51.460 | He was thinking just about his glory and that was wrong too.
00:26:55.180 | We have to be able to balance this out and say like, man, does God have this deep love
00:27:01.060 | for me where we would actually call it unconditional in Christ?
00:27:05.980 | That he would send his only son to take my place on that cross?
00:27:10.500 | Yes as far as glory, yes it will exalt him, but in the middle of that, is it because of
00:27:15.020 | his great love for me?
00:27:16.020 | Is this like a zero sum game or is this something that like can coexist?
00:27:19.140 | Oh man, it coexists.
00:27:21.780 | Like on that cross, like Jesus sent his son and he poured out his wrath on Christ and
00:27:27.700 | I know he was thinking of me, you know, and I know he did it because of his love for me.
00:27:33.620 | And when we're talking about this with people, I hope that it's not so separate and stoic
00:27:37.460 | from us.
00:27:38.460 | Like when we're talking about God, the fact that God loves you and the fact that like,
00:27:44.060 | which is good, but that, but the fact of the matter is we're coming and we're saying that
00:27:48.900 | this is what I believe.
00:27:50.260 | And it can't be sterile, you know.
00:27:54.220 | They need to see that this is a message that we actually believe and practice.
00:27:59.100 | So okay, I'm not going to take questions.
00:28:02.380 | Romans 5, 8 through 10.
00:28:04.340 | Can we move over to Jason?
00:28:05.340 | God demonstrates his own love toward us and that while we were yet sinners, Christ died
00:28:06.340 | for us.
00:28:07.340 | Much more than having now been justified by his blood, we shall be saved from the wrath
00:28:08.340 | of God through him.
00:28:09.340 | For while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us.
00:28:10.340 | Much more than having now been justified by his blood, we shall be saved from the wrath
00:28:11.340 | of God through him.
00:28:12.340 | For while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us.
00:28:13.340 | Much more than having now been justified by his blood, we shall be saved from the wrath
00:28:14.340 | of God through him.
00:28:15.340 | For while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us.
00:28:16.340 | Much more than having now been justified by his blood, we shall be saved from the wrath
00:28:17.340 | of God through him.
00:28:18.340 | For while we were enemies, we were reconciled to God through the death of his son.
00:28:19.340 | Much more than having been reconciled, we shall be saved by his blood.
00:28:25.340 | Okay.
00:28:26.340 | And there are other supporting verses.
00:28:28.700 | So again, when you're sitting across from the person you're evangelizing, we are much
00:28:33.700 | more in the state of where they're sitting.
00:28:38.140 | We should be understanding the shoes they're walking in.
00:28:41.380 | Much more than saying like, "Hey, get out of our level."
00:28:46.020 | To really feel like there is no frustration when we're talking to these people.
00:28:51.060 | There isn't.
00:28:53.820 | If they're open-handed slapping the God we serve, then that's something.
00:28:58.980 | But if there's rebellion in them, we're like, "Of course there's rebellion in them."
00:29:05.060 | If they're self-centered, of course they're self-centered.
00:29:07.420 | We should actually feel this deep, seated compassion in our heart.
00:29:13.860 | Because that's where I was, and I remember that.
00:29:16.740 | So be very close to them in the place of evangelizing.
00:29:20.900 | Because the gospel message as we preach it is very close to us.
00:29:27.340 | Roman numeral four, Jesus rose from the grave and is still alive today.
00:29:32.940 | That's found in 1 Corinthians and 1 Peter.
00:29:35.660 | You can read those on your own.
00:29:37.820 | And so don't stop with the death of Christ, but that Christ rose from the dead, and he
00:29:43.060 | is the only historical figure that rose from the dead and never died again.
00:29:55.340 | So you don't want to go too far into this.
00:29:57.620 | People talk about enlightenment and what happens to people, but he is the only one who rose
00:30:02.020 | from the dead and that was it.
00:30:04.660 | And that was the end of the story, that he continues life like that.
00:30:10.660 | So you get them to this point where when you're talking about his humanity, you are going
00:30:15.020 | to need to go into the fact that he was a historical figure.
00:30:17.940 | Any secular historian will scoff at any secular person who doesn't believe in the historicity
00:30:25.140 | of Christ.
00:30:26.140 | It's not up for debate anymore.
00:30:28.540 | And people like to just throw things out there to kind of be a rabble-rouser, but he was
00:30:36.220 | a person born into the world and we are saying he rose from the grave.
00:30:40.780 | And all of these people then attested to that fact and were willing to die for that fact.
00:30:45.900 | And there's a lot of apologetics you could go into that, and I know you guys are thinking
00:30:49.180 | of a lot of that kind of stuff, but let's move on.
00:30:55.620 | So this Saturday we're going evangelizing.
00:30:57.780 | I sent the list over to June.
00:30:59.200 | If you didn't email me back and you're still planning on going, I think you could still
00:31:01.900 | message June.
00:31:02.900 | The best thing would be that Google form.
00:31:26.740 | I think because you're part of this class, you might not want to send in on the seminar.
00:31:30.260 | It's just going to be the same stuff.
00:31:31.260 | I'm just going to condense it.
00:31:33.500 | If you want to come, I guess that would be good too.
00:31:35.740 | There's lunch at 1130 at UTC.
00:31:39.180 | Okay, cool.
00:31:41.940 | And then secondly, now we're going to start to put these things into practice and it's
00:31:46.860 | going to be forced.
00:31:48.940 | So you are going to think of one individual and next week you're going to bring the name
00:31:54.260 | of that individual and then we're going to share it with each other so that the final
00:31:58.880 | week we're going to share with each other how you shared the gospel with this individual.
00:32:03.380 | It's just accountability to practice what we're learning.
00:32:06.100 | So we're going to be practicing that in cold evangelism this Saturday, but come with somebody
00:32:11.100 | that you really want to share the whole gospel with.
00:32:15.060 | Okay, and ask them, "Hey, can I sit down and actually share the gospel with you?"
00:32:20.580 | And you would probably want to kind of go through your notes, rehearse it, think through
00:32:24.860 | things.
00:32:25.860 | If you want to make it a dialogue, you can.
00:32:27.840 | If you want to just say, "Hey, can you just hear me out?"
00:32:29.740 | And then at the end of this dialogue you could do that.
00:32:32.060 | Just give them the whole gospel and then sit down and say, "Have you heard that before?"
00:32:37.680 | We think that a lot of Americans, because we live in America, have heard the gospel
00:32:42.700 | message before.
00:32:44.180 | Don't do that.
00:32:47.220 | Don't think that they have.
00:32:49.340 | Assume they don't know the gospel.
00:32:51.540 | I think you should do that with every unbeliever.
00:32:53.300 | Just assume they don't know the gospel.
00:32:54.900 | If they prove otherwise and they're able to articulate it, that's different.
00:32:58.700 | But actually, more often than not, really when I go evangelize on campus, I feel like
00:33:04.340 | 9 out of 10 people just don't know the gospel at all.
00:33:07.620 | They just heard about the name of Jesus, that's it.
00:33:10.740 | Something about the cross and sin.
00:33:12.520 | But they don't know the gospel.
00:33:14.200 | And so we understand now the gospel includes who God is, includes who we are before him,
00:33:19.820 | and includes Christ and what he did on that cross.
00:33:24.420 | Here's your homework.
00:33:29.380 | We're not going to have time for this.
00:33:32.820 | I'll say this though.
00:33:36.180 | We're bringing to people, and what we're saying is, we are bringing to you so great a salvation.
00:33:43.780 | And when we say, "What is the salvation?"
00:33:46.380 | I think it can be easy to think about it very two-dimensionally and think that it's Jesus
00:33:53.240 | dying on the cross for my sins, and so I don't get to go to hell, I get to go to heaven.
00:33:59.540 | And that's really, really good.
00:34:02.900 | But the salvation story runs very deep.
00:34:06.500 | And I wanted to do this, but we're not going to have time.
00:34:08.820 | But when we think about what atonement is, the work Christ did in his life and death
00:34:12.080 | to earn our salvation, it's actually very complex.
00:34:16.540 | And so we have words.
00:34:18.420 | We're not trying to be like all hoity-toity Christians, but there are words for this.
00:34:23.180 | There's word for expiation, that our guilt is actually taken away from us.
00:34:28.900 | I don't think you, I'm going to go too fast for you to write it down, sorry.
00:34:33.660 | Propitiation, that God's wrath is at peace.
00:34:35.280 | These are different things.
00:34:37.100 | That now, the belief of expiation is that there is no longer guilt on me.
00:34:40.740 | You'd be surprised how many people believe so wholeheartedly propitiation without believing
00:34:45.180 | in expiation.
00:34:46.180 | And so they believe that God's wrath is at peace, but I still feel guilty.
00:34:51.380 | These are biblical matters, that Christ actually removes guilt from us so that we don't walk
00:34:55.700 | around guilty anymore.
00:34:58.420 | There's reconciliation, that he brought into right and restored relationship.
00:35:01.860 | We are no longer enemies of God.
00:35:03.580 | When he looks at me, I ask people, "Do you feel like God's constantly disappointed in
00:35:07.900 | you?"
00:35:08.900 | Man, think about how people answer that.
00:35:11.460 | Think about how you answer that, depending on how you were this past week.
00:35:14.220 | Like that he's disappointed in me.
00:35:16.980 | What are you trying to say with that?
00:35:20.060 | Redemption is not just that he saved us and rescued us out of the water as we were drowning.
00:35:25.180 | It's that he actually had to pay something to rescue us out of that drowning.
00:35:31.860 | I think redemption, the idea of redeeming, you know redeeming is like a coupon you take
00:35:36.180 | in and you get something back.
00:35:37.820 | The idea of redeeming is, oh, you know the gospel just does not make any sense.
00:35:44.780 | There's one thing for God to save people who are so ugly in their sin, right?
00:35:50.140 | Dead, foul, filthy creatures.
00:35:53.060 | We talked about cockroach eggs.
00:35:54.340 | There's no one that would want to save these things.
00:35:56.940 | But it's another thing to say that I am going to pay something to redeem them.
00:36:02.940 | And there's another thing to say that that payment is going to be what is most precious
00:36:06.920 | to me.
00:36:07.920 | Like the increasing intensity as to the cost of this redemption is like mind blowing.
00:36:15.560 | Substitutionary, that it was a substitution to atonement.
00:36:18.160 | That Jesus was a substitute that brought about the atonement.
00:36:22.200 | And this is when we think about the deeper theology of Christ being fully God, fully
00:36:26.040 | man.
00:36:27.040 | What was actually accomplished on that cross?
00:36:29.060 | Why is it that he was considered the Lamb of God who came to take away the sin of the
00:36:31.920 | world?
00:36:32.920 | Why was, what was the priest in this?
00:36:36.400 | Why is it that when we read the Pentateuch that it expands our idea of what Christ did
00:36:41.080 | on that cross?
00:36:42.400 | All these things, it deepens so that when we look at the cross, when we come about to
00:36:46.360 | Easter time, to Resurrection Sunday, that we're not just like, "Wow, Jesus died on
00:36:50.960 | the cross for my sin."
00:36:53.040 | That everything that we're doing as we're reading scripture, that as we're growing in
00:36:57.040 | the knowledge of God, and that's what happened in Ephesians 2 for a lot of us, right?
00:37:00.840 | When Pastor Mark was teaching through Ephesians 2, we're like, "Wow, that's so deep."
00:37:06.160 | It's so rich what God has given to us.
00:37:10.440 | And these blessings, he's reminding us of how deep these blessings go.
00:37:14.440 | They're not superficial.
00:37:16.680 | And so when you go and you take the salvation to the masses, oh, you ought to be jumping
00:37:23.960 | up and down with joy in this, right?
00:37:26.680 | But I think a lot of people see Christians who are so versed in Christianity.
00:37:35.440 | And so we're trying to take something that's coming straight out of our heart.
00:37:39.560 | Okay.
00:37:40.560 | I was going to show you something that the Navigators have come up with, and I thought
00:37:53.560 | it was very helpful, especially for people who don't feel much confidence.
00:37:58.560 | Have you guys seen the bridge analogy of the cross before?
00:38:02.960 | That's something that's helpful, right, to think through, to try to get your way through
00:38:07.600 | the Gospel message.
00:38:08.600 | So you can sit there and draw it out, or you can actually just kind of keep it in your
00:38:15.120 | mind to think, "Am I guiding someone?" rather than constantly getting stuck in these little
00:38:21.200 | holes.
00:38:22.200 | So don't get stuck in holes.
00:38:23.200 | You want to see movement and walking.
00:38:26.300 | If someone just wants to go into a hole and they just want to do it for this whole little
00:38:29.240 | time, I'd say, "Just dust your hands, dust your feet off, and then move on."
00:38:33.840 | There's no reason to do that.
00:38:36.200 | So the idea of this is that there is us, there's God, and we're created in His image to be
00:38:55.400 | in eternal fellowship with Him, right?
00:38:59.080 | That's what, when we think of all the good stuff of Christianity, this is what we're
00:39:03.200 | kind of thinking, right?
00:39:04.200 | Or of humanity, this is what we're thinking.
00:39:05.200 | That we are meant to exist in a perfect relationship with Him.
00:39:06.200 | That's Genesis 1, verse 26, where it says that God has created us in His image.
00:39:07.200 | In the image of God, He created us.
00:39:08.200 | There's this repetition and voiding thing going on, right?
00:39:09.200 | But in sin, what happens is, we're not going to be able to do that.
00:39:10.200 | We're not going to be able to do that.
00:39:11.200 | We're not going to be able to do that.
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00:50:39.840 | We're not going to be able to do that.
00:50:40.840 | We're not going to be able to do that.
00:50:41.840 | We're not going to be able to do that.
00:50:42.840 | We're not going to be able to do that.
00:50:43.840 | We're not going to be able to do that.
00:50:44.840 | We're not going to be able to do that.
00:50:45.840 | We're not going to be able to do that.
00:50:46.840 | We're not going to be able to do that.
00:50:47.840 | We're not going to be able to do that.
00:50:48.840 | We're not going to be able to do that.
00:51:12.840 | We're not going to be able to do that.