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2017-03-26 Is God Fair Part 2


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00:00:00.000 | If you can turn your Bibles to Romans chapter 9, our focus this morning is on verse 19-23.
00:00:12.880 | But I'm going to be reading from verse 14 so that you can see the context of what we're
00:00:17.280 | looking at this morning.
00:00:18.280 | Verse chapter 9, verse 14-23.
00:00:23.680 | What shall we say then?
00:00:24.840 | Is there injustice on God's part?
00:00:26.760 | By no means.
00:00:28.240 | For he says to Moses, "I will have mercy on whom I have mercy, and I will have compassion
00:00:31.540 | on whom I have compassion."
00:00:33.680 | So then it depends not on human will or exertion, but on God who has mercy.
00:00:38.240 | For the scripture says to Pharaoh, "For this very purpose I have raised you up, that I
00:00:41.560 | might show my power in you, and that my name might be proclaimed in all the earth."
00:00:46.240 | So then he has mercy on whomever he wills, and he hardens whomever he wills.
00:00:50.780 | You will say to me then, "Why does he still find fault?
00:00:53.920 | For who can resist his will?"
00:00:56.040 | But who are you, O man, to answer back to God?
00:00:58.760 | Will what is molded say to its molder, "Why have you made me like this?"
00:01:02.940 | Has a potter no right over the clay to make out of the same lump one vessel for honorable
00:01:07.720 | use and another for dishonorable use?
00:01:10.440 | What if God, desiring to show his wrath and to make known his power, has endured with
00:01:14.780 | much patience vessels of wrath prepared for destruction, in order to make known the riches
00:01:19.140 | of his glory for vessels of mercy which he has prepared beforehand for glory?
00:01:24.080 | Let's pray.
00:01:26.080 | Heavenly Father, you truly are a God worthy of worship.
00:01:33.520 | We thank you for today.
00:01:34.960 | We thank you for our brothers and sisters that we can run this race together with.
00:01:40.460 | We pray that you would help us to build a community that genuinely loves you and worships
00:01:44.360 | you in spirit and in truth.
00:01:47.100 | We pray that your living word would judge the thoughts and intentions of our heart.
00:01:53.000 | Help us to understand and be more than willing to apply all that you have.
00:01:56.680 | In Jesus' name we pray.
00:01:58.160 | Amen.
00:01:59.160 | All right, this morning, before we jump into the text, I want to start with a riddle.
00:02:04.160 | And there's a purpose for that.
00:02:05.160 | So don't say it out loud.
00:02:07.640 | I want you to see if you can answer them for yourselves.
00:02:10.000 | Some of you already probably may have heard of this riddle.
00:02:13.520 | But again, if you know it, don't blurt it out.
00:02:17.480 | A man and his son are in a terrible car accident and are rushed to the hospital in critical
00:02:22.720 | care.
00:02:23.960 | The doctor looks at the boy and exclaims, "I can't operate on this boy.
00:02:28.280 | He's my son.
00:02:29.280 | How could this be?"
00:02:30.280 | Let me read it again.
00:02:33.560 | A man and his son are in a terrible accident and are rushed to the hospital in critical
00:02:38.040 | care.
00:02:39.040 | The doctor looks at the boy and exclaims, "I can't operate on this boy.
00:02:42.720 | He's my son.
00:02:43.920 | How could this be?"
00:02:48.720 | And the answer is, the doctor was his mother.
00:02:53.360 | Like you already knew, all right?
00:02:56.480 | I got another one, okay?
00:02:58.000 | Again, if you know it, don't blurt it out if you know it, okay?
00:03:02.560 | The captain is my brother, testified the soldier.
00:03:06.760 | But the captain testified he didn't have a brother.
00:03:10.440 | Who is telling the truth?
00:03:13.860 | Don't blurt it out, okay?
00:03:16.500 | The captain is my brother, testified the soldier.
00:03:19.000 | But the captain testified he didn't have a brother.
00:03:22.320 | Who is telling the truth?
00:03:25.680 | Both.
00:03:29.120 | The soldier was a female.
00:03:32.600 | Okay, some of you guys knew, some of you guys did not know.
00:03:39.360 | The reason why I start with this riddle is because sometimes a riddle exposes or reveals
00:03:45.160 | our paradigm, right?
00:03:46.680 | The answer is pretty simple.
00:03:48.320 | It was a female doctor, it was a female soldier.
00:03:51.520 | But when we hear these questions, you know, again, when you hear the answer, it's pretty
00:03:55.160 | simple.
00:03:56.160 | But a lot of times in the way that we ask, in the way that we answer questions, it kind
00:03:59.600 | of reveals our paradigm, how we look at the world, certain things that are true or certain
00:04:04.160 | things that are not true.
00:04:05.160 | That doesn't automatically mean that you're a male chauvinist pig if you didn't get the
00:04:08.680 | answer, okay?
00:04:10.720 | But there are certain things that we look at and certain paradigms, certain parameters
00:04:14.680 | that we are used to and we try to see the whole world within that paradigm.
00:04:19.920 | And so even though it's a very simple question, very simple answer, certain things that we
00:04:24.480 | look at look a certain way because we have certain things that, again, glasses that we
00:04:30.480 | have.
00:04:32.280 | The question that we have this morning that we've been dealing with for the last few weeks,
00:04:36.120 | that Paul's been dealing with, with the whole chapter 9, as he's been talking about salvation
00:04:40.520 | by grace, by his sovereign election, predestination.
00:04:46.000 | The question that Paul's been trying to answer is, how can that be fair?
00:04:51.300 | Is God sovereign or is man responsible for his sin?
00:04:55.180 | If God shows mercy to whom he has mercy and he hardens those whom he hardens and God chooses
00:05:00.280 | to do that, how can that be fair?
00:05:03.520 | So the question that came in the previous weeks was, is there injustice in God for doing
00:05:08.200 | that?
00:05:09.800 | And then today in verse 19, he would say, why does he still find fault?
00:05:13.940 | How can anyone even resist God?
00:05:15.440 | If God is the one who's hardening and softening, how can he keep any of us accountable?
00:05:23.000 | So this is, you know, the larger question that we ask is, is God sovereign or is man
00:05:28.800 | free or is he responsible?
00:05:30.820 | And obviously the answer to that is yes, because the Bible clearly teaches both.
00:05:36.800 | The Bible tells us that we are called to repent.
00:05:40.700 | It says that God tells Israel that judgment is coming upon them because they willfully,
00:05:45.400 | they chose to reject him and worship idols.
00:05:48.040 | They chose to do that.
00:05:49.960 | Joshua, the famous passage in Joshua chapter 24, where he says, "Choose you this day
00:05:54.960 | whom you will serve."
00:05:56.380 | So there's clear passages in the Bible that say, you are responsible.
00:05:59.960 | You need to repent and you need to choose God.
00:06:03.640 | And again, in the scriptures in John 6, 44, it says, "No one can come to me unless the
00:06:07.480 | father who sent me draws him."
00:06:10.820 | The only reason why we're even able to repent and come to the Lord is because the Lord is
00:06:15.160 | drawing us to him.
00:06:17.320 | In Isaiah 40, 12-31, not only does he draw individuals, it says that God controls even
00:06:25.080 | nations.
00:06:26.080 | He raises up nations and he puts down nations all for the purpose of his glory.
00:06:32.540 | The chapter we're in, in Romans chapter 9, it is the conclusion of what Paul says in
00:06:37.840 | Romans 8, 29.
00:06:38.840 | It says, "For those whom he foreknew, he also predestined to be conformed to the image
00:06:42.900 | of his son, in order that he might be the firstborn among many brothers."
00:06:48.440 | So he says in Romans 8 that he who foreknew, he predestined, and then he conformed, and
00:06:53.520 | he sanctified.
00:06:54.520 | And so God is the author from the beginning, the middle, and the end.
00:06:59.020 | So the answer is pretty clear.
00:07:00.580 | So if we're looking for a philosophical answer, like how does this work?
00:07:05.620 | That's a different question.
00:07:07.720 | But the question that Paul is trying to answer, is it biblical?
00:07:10.300 | Is this actually how God works?
00:07:12.260 | And the answer is absolutely yes.
00:07:14.540 | Because that's what the scripture teaches.
00:07:16.360 | We start to get into trouble when we look at one text and then we look at another text
00:07:20.700 | and say, "Well, this sounds more reasonable."
00:07:22.540 | And then we begin to ignore this whole other thing over here.
00:07:25.920 | And that's how the Jehovah Witnesses get into trouble with the doctrine of the Trinity.
00:07:31.360 | They'll always bring up questions, "Well, Jesus is praying to the Father, so how can
00:07:34.760 | he be one with him?"
00:07:37.600 | Clearly he's the Son and he's the Father, so they're distinct, they're different.
00:07:41.200 | And then they completely ignore the passages where God the Father is calling his Son in
00:07:45.800 | Hebrews chapter 1, "Thy throne, O God, is a righteous throne that will last forever
00:07:50.820 | and ever."
00:07:51.820 | Jesus himself says, "I am," before Abraham was.
00:07:55.460 | So in every instance where Jesus declares himself same and equal to the Father, the
00:08:00.720 | Old Testament clearly spells that God is one, there's no other.
00:08:05.480 | So the Bible teaches that God is one, there's only one, and yet there's a distinction about
00:08:10.400 | Jesus.
00:08:11.400 | So how do you reconcile these things?
00:08:14.020 | That's where we get the doctrine of Trinity.
00:08:16.080 | There's a mystery about the identity of God, but we present in the doctrine of Trinity
00:08:21.740 | that this is what the Bible teaches.
00:08:24.480 | So when it comes to our understanding of salvation, it is presented to us in both ways, where
00:08:29.360 | we are responsible and yet God is absolutely sovereign.
00:08:32.380 | He controls, he even raises up nations and destroys them ultimately for his purpose.
00:08:39.320 | So the question is, again, the philosophical question is, if that is the case, if God is
00:08:44.280 | sovereign and salvation isn't by human will, why does he find fault in man?
00:08:51.480 | It's a reasonable question.
00:08:55.440 | Martin Luther, again, the father of the Reformation, he addresses this issue this way, and again,
00:09:04.400 | it's a paragraph, so I want you to pay close attention to how he addresses this issue.
00:09:08.360 | He says, "Mere human reason can never comprehend how God is good and merciful, and therefore
00:09:15.160 | you make to yourself a God of your own fancy who hardens nobody, condemns nobody, and pities
00:09:20.360 | everybody.
00:09:22.240 | You cannot comprehend how a just God can condemn those who are born in sin and cannot help
00:09:27.020 | themselves but must by a necessity of their natural constitution continue in sin and remain
00:09:32.600 | children of wrath.
00:09:34.440 | The answer is God is incomprehensible, and therefore his justice as well as his other
00:09:40.520 | attributes must be incomprehensible.
00:09:42.560 | It is on this very ground that St. Paul exclaims, 'Oh, the depth of his riches of the knowledge
00:09:48.800 | of God, how unsearchable are his judgment and his ways.'"
00:09:53.680 | So we can take certain parts of the scripture and it says, "Well, how can God be good if
00:09:57.320 | he does this?" and then therefore you start to create a God that's not of the Bible.
00:10:02.240 | If God is going to be merciful, he saves everybody.
00:10:05.960 | That he is not wrathful, he's not vengeful, so basically we project upon him our idea
00:10:11.240 | of justice, and then if we're not careful, we start worshipping a God that we've created
00:10:17.760 | in our own image.
00:10:20.760 | Paul's going to try to answer this question, but I'm going to tell you ahead of time that
00:10:25.640 | you may not be satisfied, but I don't think Paul is trying to satisfy your question.
00:10:31.200 | Let me tell you right off the bat, this is one of those passages that are wrestled with
00:10:35.880 | and debated and struggled, and I'm not going to tell you even now that at the end of the
00:10:40.800 | sermon you're going to say, "Oh, now I get it.
00:10:43.320 | Finally, that makes sense to me."
00:10:46.040 | Because I don't think that's Paul's intent.
00:10:49.600 | Paul's intent basically is to not deal with the question, he's trying to deal with the
00:10:54.480 | question, but he's going to tell us what we need to hear.
00:10:56.560 | So I'm just telling you that ahead of time.
00:11:00.040 | He's going to answer the questions by asking us a question.
00:11:05.240 | In fact, you're going to see that Jesus often does that.
00:11:08.200 | When the Pharisees would come and ask him a question, he would turn it around and he
00:11:10.640 | would ask them a question.
00:11:13.240 | In Matthew 5, 1-4, the Pharisees scribes came to Jesus from Jerusalem and said, "Why do
00:11:18.480 | your disciples break the tradition of elders?
00:11:20.840 | For they do not wash the hands when they eat."
00:11:23.800 | He answered them, "And why do you break the commandment of God for the sake of your tradition?"
00:11:29.280 | Boom.
00:11:31.160 | You answer me that first.
00:11:34.240 | I think Matthew 21, 23-27, when Jesus entered the temple, the chief priests and the elders
00:11:39.280 | of the people came up to him as he was teaching and said, "By what authority are you doing
00:11:45.240 | these things?
00:11:46.680 | And who gave you this authority?"
00:11:48.960 | Jesus answered them, "I also will ask you one question, and if you tell me the answer,
00:11:53.080 | then I will also tell you what authority I do these things."
00:11:56.400 | The baptism of John, from where did it come from?
00:11:59.420 | From heaven or from man?
00:12:01.320 | And they discussed it among themselves, saying, "If we say from heaven, he will say to us,
00:12:05.760 | why then did you not believe him?
00:12:07.880 | And if we say from man, we are afraid of the crowd, for they all hold that John was a prophet."
00:12:13.120 | So they answered Jesus, "We do not know."
00:12:16.200 | Which is very disingenuous, because they had very strong opinions about John, but they
00:12:21.640 | couldn't answer because they were afraid about the consequence.
00:12:24.560 | So, "We do not know."
00:12:26.200 | And he said to them, "Neither will I tell you by what authority I do these things."
00:12:30.440 | Now why did Jesus answer them that way?
00:12:34.020 | He was questioning the very questions that they were asking, the motive behind it.
00:12:38.760 | See, when they came and asked Jesus, "By what authority are you doing these things?"
00:12:42.080 | They weren't asking him a question, they were questioning him.
00:12:45.560 | They've already determined who he is.
00:12:48.300 | They were asking a question, hoping that he will trip up and say something that's going
00:12:51.280 | to get him in trouble, either by the Jews or by the Romans.
00:12:54.880 | They weren't asking questions, they were questioning him.
00:12:57.080 | They've already determined who he is.
00:12:59.600 | They were in the seat of judgment, and Jesus is the one being judged.
00:13:04.680 | And that's the reason why he flips the question around and asks you.
00:13:08.660 | You judge me, but now I'm going to ask you.
00:13:10.980 | You answer this first.
00:13:13.860 | Paul's going to answer, or at least attempt to deal with this question.
00:13:16.860 | He's going to ask four questions.
00:13:18.780 | One, "But who are you, old man, to answer back to God?"
00:13:23.000 | Question number one.
00:13:24.000 | Two and three are kind of related, and I'm going to deal with that together.
00:13:27.160 | Number two is, "Well, what does Molded say to the Molder?
00:13:29.960 | 'Why have you made me like this?'"
00:13:32.760 | Third, "Has a potter knolled right over the clay to make out the same lump, one vessel
00:13:38.000 | for honored use and another for dishonorable use?"
00:13:41.720 | And four, long-winded question, "What if?"
00:13:45.240 | What if?
00:13:46.240 | And again, remember that this is in the form of a question.
00:13:48.760 | He's not making a statement.
00:13:49.920 | What if?
00:13:50.920 | "God, desiring to show his wrath and to make known his power, has endured with much patience
00:13:55.660 | vessels of wrath prepared for destruction in order to make known the riches of his glory
00:14:00.560 | for vessels of mercy which he had prepared beforehand for glory.
00:14:04.600 | Even us whom he has called, not from the Jews only but also from the Gentiles."
00:14:11.680 | Now why does he try to answer this question by asking a question?
00:14:17.360 | If you notice, the question that is asked is, "Why does he still find for?"
00:14:22.000 | For who can resist his will?
00:14:24.080 | And he says, "Who are you, O man, to answer back to God?"
00:14:29.600 | Paul is not saying, and God is not saying, "How dare you ask me any question?"
00:14:35.760 | Some people, you know, very genuine Christians are afraid to ask questions because you think
00:14:40.320 | you're not supposed to ask questions.
00:14:42.640 | Jesus says, "You shall not test the Lord your God, so I better not ask any questions."
00:14:46.880 | So some people think a good Christian just sucks it up.
00:14:52.600 | This doesn't make sense.
00:14:53.600 | I learned this thing in science and I don't know how this fits and you're not allowed
00:14:57.640 | to ask questions, which is absolutely false.
00:15:02.040 | How do you grow?
00:15:03.040 | How do you mature?
00:15:04.520 | See, Paul is not saying, "Don't ask any question."
00:15:08.680 | If you look at the heart of the way he answers it, "But who are you, O man, to answer back
00:15:14.600 | to God?
00:15:17.220 | Why did you make me like this?"
00:15:20.120 | He's dealing with the heart of the person asking the question, who is sitting in the
00:15:25.000 | seat of judgment against God.
00:15:26.800 | "God, you don't make sense.
00:15:27.960 | What you told me doesn't make sense."
00:15:29.480 | So either you, God, are unfair or what Paul is saying is untrue.
00:15:36.080 | And both are false.
00:15:39.040 | He first and foremost addresses the issue of the man coming before God.
00:15:45.840 | Did God ever say, "You're not allowed to ask any questions because I'm God."
00:15:52.160 | Honestly, some of the most challenging areas where I grew in my faith was because I had
00:16:01.480 | questions and I kept on asking about the Trinity, about salvation, about the gospel.
00:16:09.000 | I'm a very curious person so if I get stuck on something, I can't let it go.
00:16:13.360 | I remember my Bible study leaders would be frustrated because if I had a question, I
00:16:16.800 | mean, I just, even if there was no answer, I would just keep asking and asking and asking
00:16:20.520 | until it made sense to me, whether there was an answer or not an answer.
00:16:24.520 | I would never discourage anybody from asking questions, but that's not what Paul is saying
00:16:28.680 | here.
00:16:29.680 | Do you remember when Jesus goes up to the wilderness and he gets tested on the third
00:16:35.040 | test?
00:16:36.040 | Satan says, "If you really are the Son of God, why don't you jump off this temple and
00:16:41.520 | his angels are going to come, he's going to protect you, prove yourself."
00:16:45.120 | Jesus responds to that question by quoting Deuteronomy 6.16 and it is said, "You shall
00:16:49.840 | not put the Lord your God to the test."
00:16:52.960 | If you look at the fuller text in Deuteronomy 6.16, it's specifically referring to an event
00:16:58.600 | that happened in Marah.
00:17:00.080 | Well, the nation of Israel, God leads them out into the desert and they ran out of water
00:17:04.640 | and they were saying, "Why did God bring us out here to die of thirst?"
00:17:12.720 | So the testing that he's referring to is the grumbling and complaining before God,
00:17:17.040 | questioning God's goodness.
00:17:19.760 | You brought us out here and all this was a trick and now you're going to cause us to
00:17:22.840 | die of thirst.
00:17:25.160 | He wasn't saying, "Don't ask me any questions."
00:17:29.680 | In fact, in Malachi 3.10, God actually tells the nation of Israel, "Test me."
00:17:36.360 | Malachi 3.10, it says, "Bring the full tithes into the storehouse that there may be food
00:17:40.580 | in my house and thereby put me to the test."
00:17:43.840 | He said, "Test me with your tithe."
00:17:45.360 | He said to the Lord of hosts, "If I will not open the windows of heaven for you and
00:17:49.600 | pour down for you a blessing until there is no more need."
00:17:55.320 | When the scripture says, "Seek ye first the kingdom of God and all these things shall
00:17:58.120 | be added unto you," our obedience to that, in a way, is testing God's goodness.
00:18:04.440 | Is he a God who is faithful to his promises?
00:18:08.820 | So first and foremost, he's not dealing with saying, "Well, that's not a question you
00:18:13.800 | can ever ask."
00:18:14.800 | He said, "Do you understand who God is?"
00:18:19.000 | And that leads to the second question.
00:18:21.240 | "Will what is molded say to its molder, 'Why have you made me like this?
00:18:25.760 | Has the potter no right over the clay to make out the same lump one vessel for honored use
00:18:30.660 | and another dishonorable use?'"
00:18:34.000 | Repeatedly over and over again in the scripture, we are described as clay and he's the potter.
00:18:40.000 | Now sometimes we're described as sheep and he's the shepherd, right?
00:18:43.800 | And we're the body and he is the head.
00:18:46.340 | But one of the images that is repeated, especially in the Old Testament, is that we are clay
00:18:51.040 | and he is the potter.
00:18:53.840 | Now I want you to sit back and take a look at, think about what that illustration is
00:18:58.560 | telling us.
00:19:00.280 | A clay basically is a lump of dirt, right?
00:19:04.480 | Absolutely worthless.
00:19:06.680 | Until the potter chooses to make something of it.
00:19:10.680 | So when we think about the clay and he is the potter, he chooses to make the pot, make
00:19:15.360 | this lump of clay useful for something.
00:19:18.200 | But until the master potter picks it up and chooses it for his purpose, it is just dirt.
00:19:24.160 | It is absolutely worthless.
00:19:27.600 | So what this imagery is trying to teach first and foremost, do not understand that you're
00:19:33.400 | just dirt.
00:19:36.080 | So before you get even offended by this illustration, he said, "Before I can even attempt to answer
00:19:42.840 | this question, you need to first understand who you are."
00:19:49.080 | Now for an unconverted person, that may sound offensive.
00:19:57.020 | Because an unconverted person, he himself is at the center of the universe.
00:20:02.080 | All he wills and purposes is about him.
00:20:05.220 | So to have the God of the universe say, "You are clay and I am the potter," is offensive.
00:20:11.080 | Because that's not true.
00:20:12.080 | It contradicts everything that he pursues.
00:20:14.400 | He is at the point of glory.
00:20:16.640 | He stands and he lives for the purpose of glorifying himself.
00:20:20.160 | So when God shows up and he says, "No, you're just clay and I am the potter," it is offensive.
00:20:26.400 | But to a converted man who has met Christ, our core relationship with God begins when
00:20:33.360 | we recognize that this is true.
00:20:37.160 | When we recognize that we are clay and he is the potter, and that we have offended this
00:20:42.520 | holy God, and then we come and we humble ourselves and we repent of this sin and we surrender
00:20:49.700 | our lives to the maker.
00:20:52.640 | That's when salvation, that's when life begins.
00:20:55.560 | So when Paul says, "Do you not realize that you are the clay and he is the potter," he
00:21:00.080 | first and foremost is reorienting.
00:21:02.700 | The question in itself has to be asked in the context of a clay and the maker.
00:21:08.200 | So if you understand that, do you understand what you are asking?
00:21:12.900 | That you are the clay questioning the maker.
00:21:16.140 | Why are you making me like this?
00:21:19.420 | And again, he's turning the table around and asking, "Do you know who you are?
00:21:23.120 | Do you know who I am?"
00:21:24.120 | And again, up to this point, he hasn't even dealt with the question.
00:21:28.620 | He's questioning the questioner.
00:21:32.800 | We see the same line of thinking when he deals with Job.
00:21:36.580 | Job was targeted with suffering because he is righteous, and horrendous thing.
00:21:42.540 | We can't even begin to imagine the suffering that this man went through.
00:21:45.100 | Not only all the physical and the illness and losing of his children and all of that,
00:21:49.860 | on top of that, every one of his friends.
00:21:52.280 | In three separate cycles, they come to him and say, "Job, confess your sin.
00:21:56.660 | There has to be something that you've done.
00:21:58.300 | God doesn't do this to righteous people."
00:21:59.980 | Because that was their paradigm.
00:22:02.540 | And over and over again, one by one, all of his friends come and say, "Job, you're
00:22:06.860 | hiding something from us.
00:22:08.300 | This is not happening to a righteous person.
00:22:09.820 | There must be something wrong with you."
00:22:11.700 | And in the beginning, Job was very benevolent.
00:22:14.140 | "God's going to vindicate me.
00:22:17.260 | There's nothing that I am aware of that I need to repent of."
00:22:20.700 | But by the end of the book of Job, it starts to get to Job.
00:22:25.780 | And he begins to cry out to God.
00:22:27.740 | "Why are you doing this to me?"
00:22:31.020 | And he begins to question his justice.
00:22:33.500 | "I've done nothing wrong that I'm aware of.
00:22:36.340 | God, I thought you were a fair man, fair God.
00:22:38.920 | And why are you doing this to me?"
00:22:40.460 | And then finally, when he gets to his breaking point, God shows up.
00:22:44.820 | In Job chapter 38, beginning verse 1, this is how God deals with his question.
00:22:50.100 | "Then the Lord answered Job out of the whirlwind and said, 'Who is this that darkens counsel
00:22:56.420 | by words without knowledge?
00:22:58.900 | Dress for action like a man, and I will question you, and you make it known to me.'"
00:23:03.420 | In other words, you're judging me, you're questioning me, and you have no idea what
00:23:07.740 | you're talking about.
00:23:09.940 | And then he begins four chapters, right, three and a half chapters of questioning him.
00:23:16.420 | And this is how he questions.
00:23:18.580 | "Job, you're questioning me, thinking that you know what you're talking about.
00:23:23.060 | Where were you when I laid the foundation of the earth?
00:23:26.100 | Tell me, if you have understanding, who determined its measurements?
00:23:30.300 | Surely you know.
00:23:32.220 | Or who stretched out the line upon it?
00:23:34.380 | On what were its bases sunk?
00:23:36.660 | Or who laid its cornerstone?
00:23:38.660 | When the morning stars sang together, and all the sons of God shouted for joy?
00:23:42.600 | Or who shut in the sea with doors when it burst out from the womb?
00:23:46.180 | When I made clouds its garments and its thick darkness, its swaddling band, and prescribed
00:23:51.620 | limits for it, and set bars and doors, and said, 'Thus far shall you come, and no farther,
00:23:56.980 | and here shall your proud waves be stayed.'
00:24:00.740 | Have you commanded the morning since your days began, and caused the dawn to know its
00:24:04.100 | place?
00:24:05.580 | That it might take hold of the skirts of the earth, and the wicked be shaken out of it?
00:24:09.760 | It is changed like clay under the seal, and its features stand out like a garment.
00:24:13.700 | From the wicked their light is withheld, and their uplifted arm is broken."
00:24:17.580 | And he does this for three chapters, three and a half chapters.
00:24:20.820 | Do you know the way of the gazelle?
00:24:23.220 | Do you know when a child is born?
00:24:25.380 | Do you know the way of a mother?
00:24:27.040 | And he goes on and on and on.
00:24:28.740 | Basically he's saying, do you have any idea who I am?
00:24:32.540 | And do you have any idea of what it is that you are asking?
00:24:37.500 | See, God is not saying this just to kind of put him in his place.
00:24:42.020 | Right?
00:24:43.020 | Joe, you're nothing.
00:24:44.860 | I'm everything and you're nothing.
00:24:46.220 | And you just stay there.
00:24:48.380 | Okay?
00:24:49.720 | How do you answer a child's question that he would not even begin to understand?
00:24:56.580 | Say you have a third grader.
00:24:59.300 | You know, I got a third grader at home and he asked, you know, a calculus question.
00:25:02.980 | Not that I can answer it.
00:25:04.340 | But let's say he asked a calculus question and he's barely doing multiplication.
00:25:09.720 | And he demands an answer.
00:25:11.620 | I don't get it.
00:25:12.620 | I have to know.
00:25:13.780 | If you don't, if you can't answer me, maybe you don't know.
00:25:17.540 | The only way that I can answer that child is to remind him what he does not know.
00:25:24.700 | Correct?
00:25:28.020 | It's not because I don't know.
00:25:29.860 | I could answer you, but you have no idea.
00:25:33.500 | I can begin to answer you, but from step one, you're not going to know what I'm talking
00:25:36.860 | about.
00:25:37.860 | So the only way that I can satisfy him is to show him what he does not know.
00:25:44.580 | You're putting me in a judgment seat and basically saying I'm judging you and I'm going to decide
00:25:48.500 | whether you're fair or not.
00:25:50.500 | This sounds fair.
00:25:51.500 | This doesn't sound fair.
00:25:52.500 | But do you have any idea?
00:25:54.500 | You have no control over when you are born or when you die.
00:25:59.100 | You have no idea of the animals.
00:26:00.780 | You have no idea how the earth started or how it's going to end.
00:26:04.180 | You have no idea why the sun comes up, why the sun goes up.
00:26:07.100 | You have no idea.
00:26:09.260 | And you have no control over any of these things.
00:26:11.060 | And yet you're going to come and you're going to judge me.
00:26:15.180 | Job, after hearing four chapters of God just revealing to him who he is.
00:26:23.300 | God never directly answers this question.
00:26:25.260 | He doesn't say all of this happened because of this.
00:26:28.500 | And a lot of times we read the book of Job superficially.
00:26:31.260 | We get to the end and he says, oh, his possessions were multiplied.
00:26:34.180 | He had so many children.
00:26:36.220 | We look at that.
00:26:37.220 | We read that as how can that be the purpose?
00:26:41.660 | I took two of your kids and now I gave you four.
00:26:45.060 | Yes.
00:26:47.140 | You had 100 cattle and at the end you had 200 cattle.
00:26:49.900 | That's why you suffered.
00:26:52.380 | Who would want that?
00:26:53.460 | I'd rather keep my 100.
00:26:56.620 | But that wasn't the answer.
00:26:58.540 | And he never actually ever even answers that question.
00:27:01.020 | He just shows up and he basically tells him, you have no idea.
00:27:06.820 | And God reveals himself to Job and this is how Job responds in Job 42, 1 through 6.
00:27:11.100 | That Job answered the Lord and said, I know that you can do all things and that no purpose
00:27:15.980 | of yours can be thwarted.
00:27:18.440 | Who is this that hides counsel without knowledge?
00:27:20.340 | Basically, I mean, it's a rhetorical question.
00:27:22.140 | It was me.
00:27:23.140 | Right?
00:27:24.140 | Who is this that hides counsel without knowledge?
00:27:26.900 | Therefore I have uttered what I did not understand.
00:27:29.500 | Things too wonderful for me which I did not know.
00:27:32.900 | Here and I will speak and I will question you and you make it known to me.
00:27:36.940 | I had heard of you by the hearing of the ear but now my eyes see you.
00:27:40.860 | Therefore I despise myself and repent and in dust and ashes.
00:27:46.040 | He was the one shaking his finger at God.
00:27:48.380 | Why are you doing this to me?
00:27:49.700 | How can you be just?
00:27:51.100 | What did I do wrong?
00:27:52.540 | And after he meets God, he says, I despise myself.
00:27:55.660 | And he's the one who repents.
00:27:58.140 | He's the one who says, now I'm dust and ashes.
00:28:03.700 | We may look at that on the surface and again, an unconverted person will look at the book
00:28:08.820 | of Job and if you study it carefully, he said, well, God seems like a vengeful God.
00:28:15.300 | He's toying with Job, his emotions, his children, his wealth.
00:28:21.380 | All for what reason?
00:28:22.420 | Because Satan just said, well, you know, like you didn't give me a chance.
00:28:25.980 | If you take away your hedge of protection, we'll go at him.
00:28:28.740 | It all seems like some play, some joke.
00:28:32.500 | An unconverted person who have not experienced the glory of the gospel of Jesus Christ may
00:28:39.500 | look at that and all they see is on the surface.
00:28:42.540 | But Job, he encounters God and he is satisfied.
00:28:47.900 | God doesn't explain himself.
00:28:49.880 | He doesn't reveal himself, the details of his plan.
00:28:53.100 | He just says, you do not have the ability to know.
00:28:57.500 | You don't have the ability to know.
00:28:58.940 | Now, again, our human psyche may hear that and say, well, I'm still not satisfied.
00:29:06.580 | Before we approach God, every single one of us has to come to a point where we understand
00:29:12.340 | just how feeble we are.
00:29:15.380 | We can't understand anything in scripture.
00:29:18.320 | Anything that God says, the gospel itself will not make any sense until we recognize
00:29:22.780 | that we are sinners in need of his mercy.
00:29:28.040 | Even the way we judge ourselves, right?
00:29:30.800 | Every time you come, you know, we always talk about, oh, we shouldn't judge each other.
00:29:33.180 | We judge each other all the time.
00:29:35.500 | We judge each other in the way that we look.
00:29:37.980 | We judge each other in the way our hairstyle.
00:29:41.240 | Somebody came to Bible study late, we judge them, right?
00:29:45.380 | We judge if they serve the church or don't serve the church, if they clean, don't clean,
00:29:49.900 | pick up trash, whatever.
00:29:51.020 | The kind of car you drive, we judge everybody.
00:29:54.380 | But we don't know the details.
00:29:56.920 | We just see what we see.
00:29:59.060 | Because from my perspective, this is what it seems like is happening.
00:30:05.700 | From God's perspective, God is orchestrating human history.
00:30:12.740 | Everything that is happening in human history, he's orchestrating to make it fit.
00:30:18.420 | How is he going to explain to us that what happened to you last Tuesday is going to affect
00:30:23.020 | somebody at your work, and then that may affect his family, and then that may eventually lead
00:30:28.180 | to somebody coming to Christ, and they're going to preach the gospel in Syria, and the
00:30:31.300 | revival is going to break out 40 years later.
00:30:34.460 | And everything that happened here is going to be somehow connected to that, and this
00:30:37.380 | is what's going to happen.
00:30:38.420 | How is he going to explain that?
00:30:40.660 | How are we going to comprehend that?
00:30:43.180 | Everything God is doing, our sovereign God is doing, he's, all of these things are working
00:30:47.400 | together for good.
00:30:51.620 | We all know what's been happening in the Middle East.
00:30:54.340 | ISIS has come in and persecution and Christians, at least the years that I've lived, I've never
00:30:59.320 | seen anything like it.
00:31:01.140 | Christians literally being chased out of their homes, churches being burned down, and it's
00:31:04.460 | not in isolation in one area.
00:31:06.460 | This is happening everywhere.
00:31:08.260 | A couple years ago, people would have looked at that and said, "God, why are you doing
00:31:12.580 | this?"
00:31:13.620 | Because all we see is the suffering.
00:31:16.780 | Why are you allowing your children to experience this horrendousness?
00:31:21.300 | And having parents watch their children being burned alive, because that's all we see.
00:31:27.780 | But we've been hearing news from the Middle East, from the mission groups, that there's
00:31:31.500 | a revival breaking out among the Muslims that we haven't seen in modern history.
00:31:38.700 | A lot like what we saw in the early church, in the Colosseum.
00:31:42.420 | One Christian would be torn apart by the lions and two people on the stand would convert
00:31:47.520 | because of what they're seeing.
00:31:50.140 | That's what's happening in the Middle East right now.
00:31:51.740 | In one sense, horrible events are taking place against Christians, and yet God is orchestrating
00:31:58.180 | all of this to bring people to Christ.
00:32:02.220 | We don't have the ability to comprehend what God is doing, why He's doing it, and how that's
00:32:07.120 | going to affect the larger picture.
00:32:08.660 | All we see is, "How does that affect me?
00:32:13.340 | What does that have to do with me?"
00:32:15.060 | God may be using me for noble purposes, to be sacrificed for a larger purpose.
00:32:21.140 | But we judge everything based upon, "How does that affect me?"
00:32:26.900 | Because we're the center of the universe.
00:32:30.060 | Because all things are made for me.
00:32:33.220 | The third and final answer, I think, whether we are satisfied with this or not, is the
00:32:38.820 | truth.
00:32:40.100 | The third question he asks is, "What if God, desiring to show His wrath and to make known
00:32:45.260 | His power, has endured with much patient vessels of wrath prepared for destruction in order
00:32:50.340 | to make known the riches of His glory for the vessels of mercy which He has prepared
00:32:54.620 | beforehand for glory?"
00:32:57.120 | What is his answer?
00:32:59.020 | He said, "God dealt patiently to demonstrate His wrath and His power.
00:33:06.420 | He was patient in judging them in order that those who are prepared for mercy may see His
00:33:13.240 | glory."
00:33:14.240 | What is the ultimate purpose of everything that He does?
00:33:19.840 | It's for His glory.
00:33:22.720 | Now as I said before, if you're unconverted and you've never tasted the goodness of God,
00:33:30.680 | maybe you faked it all this time.
00:33:33.280 | You've never really seen the glory of the gospel of Jesus Christ.
00:33:36.240 | What God says, what Paul says in this passage, may disturb you.
00:33:43.240 | You want me to worship a God who allows people to suffer for His glory?
00:33:49.120 | How can that be fair?
00:33:50.520 | That doesn't seem right.
00:33:52.760 | That He is unjust.
00:33:55.160 | He's unjust for doing what He's doing.
00:33:57.400 | He's unjust for condemning people who He hardened their heart.
00:34:03.640 | Again, we talked about that last week.
00:34:08.440 | All that Paul is saying in this passage is in response to what he said at the end of
00:34:12.440 | verse 18 when he says, "He has mercy on whom He has mercy and He hardens whom He wills."
00:34:17.800 | And he's specifically in that context referring to Pharaoh.
00:34:22.680 | So when he's talking about here how he was dealt patiently, those who have been prepared
00:34:28.640 | for wrath, the immediate context is talking about Pharaoh.
00:34:33.780 | So let's look at Pharaoh and what he's referring to.
00:34:38.040 | God shows up and He's about to deliver the nation of Israel.
00:34:41.200 | And He goes through this drama of these ten plagues.
00:34:44.760 | Now why does He go through these ten plague drama?
00:34:47.600 | He could have just said, "Squashed.
00:34:50.840 | Now get out.
00:34:51.840 | Go worship me."
00:34:52.840 | In fact, He prophesied that if you go there and tell them that He's going to harden His
00:34:58.360 | heart and God says He's going to harden Pharaoh's heart, Pharaoh's going to harden His heart,
00:35:03.200 | and He goes through this drama of nine plagues.
00:35:07.360 | And each one He shows His power.
00:35:10.640 | And it isn't until the tenth plague where He finally does His final act and they're
00:35:14.160 | delivered.
00:35:15.640 | Why even go through all of them?
00:35:17.540 | Why not just the final plague to begin with and just be done with it?
00:35:22.120 | Each one of those plagues represented a God in Egypt.
00:35:28.320 | And so what God was doing was demonstrating His power and His wrath over these idols that
00:35:33.080 | God is much more powerful than anything that Egypt was using against them.
00:35:39.320 | So He says, He was demonstrating, He was patient with them.
00:35:42.640 | Instead of squashing them in the beginning, He said He was patient with them, demonstrating
00:35:46.480 | His power and authority over every idol that Egypt was worshiping to demonstrate to the
00:35:52.800 | nation of Israel, His people, of who God is.
00:35:57.280 | That there's only one true God.
00:35:59.200 | He was preparing them to begin a nation.
00:36:02.920 | He was preparing them to walk out into the desert so that they could have confidence
00:36:06.120 | in their God.
00:36:07.700 | So in this immediate context when He says, "What if?
00:36:11.640 | What if God was patient in His wrath, in His judgment, in demonstration of His power for
00:36:17.480 | those who are prepared for destruction?"
00:36:19.160 | For what purpose?
00:36:20.960 | To reveal His glory to those who are prepared for mercy.
00:36:26.640 | To glorify Himself among His people.
00:36:29.920 | And again, our man-centered way of looking at everything, everything is seen, how does
00:36:37.480 | it affect me?
00:36:38.480 | How does that personally benefit me?
00:36:40.960 | When the beginning of maturity and beginning of salvation is recognizing that we are not
00:36:45.240 | at the center of the universe.
00:36:48.600 | We are not at the center.
00:36:49.800 | God's ultimate purpose of human history is for His glorification.
00:36:56.000 | Now again, even for Christians, that may not sit well.
00:37:00.080 | But let me explain why this is so important and why that's the best thing for sinners.
00:37:08.220 | You have a child who grows up and one of the worst things that you can do is to give him
00:37:13.360 | everything he wants.
00:37:15.540 | He grows up thinking that he's the center of the universe.
00:37:18.400 | And you think that that's best for him because you're helping and you're giving them.
00:37:21.920 | They're always happy because you're giving them everything they want.
00:37:24.800 | Eventually what does it lead to?
00:37:26.000 | What fruit comes from that?
00:37:28.000 | Spoiled brat.
00:37:31.360 | Not only is he spoiled, he's going to be very difficult to like.
00:37:37.760 | Everybody outside of you is going to have a very difficult time.
00:37:39.620 | So you basically set him up so that everywhere he goes people are going to hate this kid.
00:37:44.880 | Because he thinks he's the center of the universe.
00:37:49.160 | When Jesus was going to the cross, He didn't say, "It's time for me to go to the cross
00:37:53.800 | so I can save these people."
00:37:55.200 | He didn't say that.
00:37:56.200 | Even though that's what resulted from it.
00:37:58.800 | When He was going to the cross, He didn't come and say, "You know what?
00:38:01.320 | I'm going to wash away their sins."
00:38:02.840 | All of these things happen.
00:38:04.280 | But you know what Jesus said?
00:38:05.680 | "Father, it's time to glorify your Son and for the Son to glorify you."
00:38:12.840 | What does it mean to glorify?
00:38:15.000 | Glorify means taking something that is valuable and putting it in display so everybody can
00:38:19.960 | see it.
00:38:20.960 | So you guys know that our entrance on this side and our entrance in the front, they decorated
00:38:28.080 | nicely.
00:38:29.080 | We had a lot of brothers and sisters who sacrificed and came and they took literally all day putting
00:38:34.560 | that in.
00:38:35.560 | Why did we put it at the entrance?
00:38:37.920 | All that nice reclaimed wood and design and all that, their skills and everything that
00:38:43.120 | they had, they took literally, I think probably 14, 15 hours they were there.
00:38:47.960 | Why didn't you do it at the entrance?
00:38:48.960 | Why don't we do it back over here or in the storage?
00:38:54.140 | Because it's at display.
00:38:55.140 | We want everybody to see it.
00:38:56.140 | This is where there's going to be the greatest traffic.
00:38:58.320 | It's for people to display and see it.
00:39:02.120 | If you haven't walked upstairs to the entrance, the second floor entrance, our brother Phillip
00:39:08.600 | displayed his talent.
00:39:11.600 | He put up a, what do you call that?
00:39:13.920 | Ward mural?
00:39:14.920 | Is that what you call it?
00:39:15.920 | All right.
00:39:16.920 | I learned something.
00:39:17.920 | The ward mural, right?
00:39:20.040 | And if you've seen it, every single person that walked into the front entrance is wowed
00:39:24.400 | by it.
00:39:25.400 | "Wow, our church is so hipster."
00:39:27.240 | Right?
00:39:28.240 | That's what I've been hearing.
00:39:31.720 | I'm not exactly sure what a hipster is, but it sounds good.
00:39:35.200 | But he put it at the entrance because it's purpose of displaying something for everybody
00:39:40.840 | to see.
00:39:41.840 | That's what glorifying something is.
00:39:43.240 | So when Jesus says, "It's time for you to glorify the Son," what is he putting on display?
00:39:52.000 | His holiness and his mercy.
00:39:56.240 | Because at the cross, you know, we typically think about his mercy and sacrifice, but that
00:40:00.720 | cross wouldn't make any sense without God's wrath because his wrath was being poured out
00:40:06.280 | on his Son.
00:40:07.280 | Why?
00:40:08.280 | Because he's demonstrating his mercy.
00:40:09.640 | So the greatest and the most perfect display of God's holiness and his compassion and mercy
00:40:17.040 | is at the cross.
00:40:20.200 | In no other place in human history, past or the future, where we see the most glorification,
00:40:28.000 | most perfect glorification of the identity and the nature of God is greater than at the
00:40:34.160 | cross.
00:40:36.320 | So that's why Jesus says, "It's time to glorify your Son, and now it's time for the Son to
00:40:42.080 | glorify you."
00:40:43.080 | See, it is in his glory that we live.
00:40:49.040 | When he is magnified, we live.
00:40:51.760 | When we magnify ourselves, we are destroyed.
00:40:56.340 | Because God did not make us images to be worshipped.
00:41:00.760 | God made us to be bearer of his image, that we may worship him.
00:41:06.520 | So when we recognize who he is, when he is magnified and glorified, it is no longer about
00:41:11.000 | us, and we no longer evaluate everything based upon how it personally affects me.
00:41:16.520 | See, a sanctified mind, a sanctified life evaluates everything based upon does he get
00:41:22.000 | the glory, even suffering.
00:41:27.360 | How is God glorified in my suffering?
00:41:30.240 | How is God glorified in my hardship?
00:41:32.080 | How is God glorified?
00:41:33.680 | Because God's ultimate end is for his glory.
00:41:38.580 | Because it is when he is glorified, we live.
00:41:44.160 | Mankind is saved.
00:41:46.600 | Let me conclude with this.
00:41:47.600 | Jonathan Edwards, in his own words, and it is a short part of a larger writing that he
00:41:53.760 | has on this subject, but let me read why he believes evil is necessary.
00:42:01.120 | So evil is necessary in order to the highest happiness of creature and the completeness
00:42:06.640 | of that communication of God for which he made the world.
00:42:10.300 | Because the creature's happiness consists in the knowledge of God and the sense of his
00:42:14.360 | love.
00:42:15.360 | So that the knowledge of him be imperfect, the happiness of creature must be proportionately
00:42:19.320 | imperfect.
00:42:22.560 | That the perfect knowledge of God, not a portion, not a part, not certain things that make sense
00:42:27.440 | to us, but when the perfect manifestation of his knowledge, when he is glorified, he
00:42:32.680 | says the greatest happiness for the creatures, it will also increase.
00:42:39.120 | Let me again, as I wrap up this morning's message.
00:42:42.440 | You know, obviously I preach every Sunday, you know, and I, you know, preparing sermons
00:42:50.200 | and every text in the scripture is valuable, obviously.
00:42:55.080 | But every once in a while I come across a text that I'm meditating on and it just takes
00:42:59.620 | my breath away.
00:43:03.000 | And to think that this is the text, right?
00:43:07.220 | This is the text where God says, "Who are you, O man, to talk back to God?
00:43:12.780 | You're just clay and he's the potter."
00:43:15.900 | What if, what if in God displaying his wrath and his power dealt patiently in order that
00:43:27.080 | he may be manifested, his glory may be manifested to those who have been prepared for mercy.
00:43:33.060 | And to think that that's the passage.
00:43:38.020 | But I was meditating on this and thinking about it and I can't properly articulate
00:43:42.920 | to you why it had that impact on me.
00:43:47.020 | I was just sitting there meditating on this.
00:43:49.980 | Wow.
00:43:51.340 | I don't get it.
00:43:52.740 | There's a lot of stuff that I can't explain to you and even this, like I can't perfectly
00:43:56.900 | explain to you how this works.
00:43:59.740 | All I can tell you is that's what he says and why it makes perfect sense to me.
00:44:07.240 | And not only does it make perfect sense to me, I feel alive in the presence of his glory.
00:44:16.780 | When God manifests himself as he is, I can't articulate it.
00:44:22.700 | I can't explain to you how or what I've seen.
00:44:26.060 | I can't draw you a picture.
00:44:27.700 | I can't tell you why.
00:44:30.860 | But in the presence of his perfect knowledge as he is, it's breathless.
00:44:38.460 | There's nothing like it.
00:44:41.820 | The moment we try to compromise and make impalatable to our taste, you diminish his glory.
00:44:51.220 | You diminish his glory.
00:44:52.820 | In his full glory, he is vengeful, wrathful, merciful, faithful.
00:44:59.180 | He's all of that together.
00:45:02.260 | And when he is manifested as he is, when we see the glory of the gospel of Jesus Christ,
00:45:07.880 | that's where we live.
00:45:09.580 | That's why the devil is trying so hard to blind the mind of the unbeliever so they do
00:45:13.860 | not see the gospel of the glory.
00:45:17.740 | All of these things is to manifest himself.
00:45:20.920 | And I pray that each one of us would approach the scriptures with humility, that this is
00:45:25.660 | the God of the universe that we're approaching.
00:45:29.140 | And the big question that we ought to live with every single day is, why does he care
00:45:33.460 | about me?
00:45:35.860 | Let's pray.
00:45:38.860 | You want to take some time to pray.
00:45:53.700 | Whatever it is that you're struggling with, whatever trials or frustration or annoyance
00:46:00.200 | or personal conflicts that you may have, I can't explain to you how Jesus is going to
00:46:07.560 | fix that.
00:46:09.000 | I can't explain to you what he's going to say, what passage, what counseling that can
00:46:13.120 | give that's going to make sense of that.
00:46:16.520 | All I know that Jesus says, "I am the way and the truth and the life.
00:46:22.000 | No one comes to the Father but through me."
00:46:24.600 | The only way that we can have access to the author of life is to come through Christ.
00:46:30.320 | So come to him.
00:46:32.560 | Come to him this morning.
00:46:35.480 | Pray to him.
00:46:38.160 | Honest confession.
00:46:40.120 | Let's take some time to pray as our worship team leads us.