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Wed Bible Study (1 Peter) Lesson 7 - 02-22-17


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00:00:00.000 | So, as we look at our passage, we see that actually connection to previous thought, connection
00:00:13.400 | to previous passages, the idea and theme remains that this major exhortation to be able to
00:00:22.840 | submit is a running theme in this passage, right?
00:00:27.080 | We saw that if you just take a look at your Bibles all the way from chapter 2, that the
00:00:32.240 | idea of submission runs from verse 13, that you need to submit yourselves for the Lord's
00:00:38.520 | sake to human institutions, governors, all this kind of stuff.
00:00:43.720 | Then in verse 18, he asked that servants, so whether it be slaves to masters, and I
00:00:49.400 | kind of expanded out to workers and et cetera, you need to learn how to submit.
00:00:54.000 | And then there was this huge exhortation that we need to do this for the sake of Christ.
00:00:59.280 | And then here we are with this idea of submission in the home.
00:01:03.480 | But if you ask how, you know, in terms of the connection of the thought, the flow of
00:01:07.920 | this actually started way back in chapter 1, verse 13.
00:01:13.120 | When we saw that in chapter 1, that there was a huge kind of push for us to remember
00:01:18.720 | and appreciate the salvation that we have, chapter 1, verse 13 made the transition, made
00:01:26.560 | the flip and said, "This is how you start to apply."
00:01:30.240 | And the reason why I bring that up is with 1 Peter, there is a overarching, big umbrella
00:01:37.160 | theme that how we apply the gospel in our lives is learning how to surrender and submit
00:01:43.080 | in various applications, various circumstances of our lives, right?
00:01:48.620 | Quite surprising.
00:01:50.240 | And I said how this book for me has been a challenge to my expectations, a challenge
00:01:56.000 | to what I view as normal, right?
00:01:58.880 | The challenge to what I view as acceptable in our response to difficulty, suffering,
00:02:03.080 | and persecution.
00:02:04.080 | And that's really also what's going to be the case for chapter 3, verses 1 through 7.
00:02:11.200 | That in terms of the situation that maybe can be found in the home, practically speaking,
00:02:16.780 | what is going to be the application of the gospel?
00:02:18.780 | The gospel has to work itself out.
00:02:20.860 | The faith that we have has to express itself.
00:02:23.300 | It's not only going to be just in the moment of salvation, but in the home too, the regular
00:02:30.380 | experiences of our lives.
00:02:32.540 | He says, "This is what I expect of you," for the Christian, okay?
00:02:38.220 | So reading verse 1 through 2 again, let's read it and I'll read it for us.
00:02:42.820 | It says, "In the same way, you wives, be submissive to your own husbands, so that even if any
00:02:51.220 | of them are disobedient to the word, they may be won without a word by the behavior
00:02:56.300 | of their wives, as they observe your chaste and respectful behavior."
00:03:02.700 | If I were to just do a simple summary and outline of this passage, I would just make
00:03:07.260 | it this four-point outline that I have there.
00:03:09.980 | There is a command, the main point, be submissive.
00:03:13.820 | There is a clear, "so that" the non-believers may be won.
00:03:17.780 | There is a means or the content of how you're going to apply that.
00:03:22.140 | It says, "By the behavior and character of your life."
00:03:24.980 | And then there's an example, "Just like Sarah and holy women of the past."
00:03:29.620 | So this is actually a nice, what you call a pericope.
00:03:32.340 | It's like a nice section that you can take and say, "Hmm, there's just this nice flow
00:03:37.460 | of thought in the outline."
00:03:39.940 | There's the command, the punch, boom, you need to be submissive.
00:03:44.420 | And then there's the supporting ideas, giving you both the rationale and the purpose, the
00:03:49.140 | means and the example of how we're to do that.
00:03:53.460 | So as I was thinking about this, I could have just followed the same line of thought and
00:03:57.900 | went through it.
00:03:59.420 | But you know how in volleyball, there's like serve, bump, set, and then spike?
00:04:05.620 | So I was hoping that maybe we can just kind of flip it around.
00:04:09.180 | In terms of giving you the example first, saying this is the example of how God is seeing
00:04:14.860 | what women should be like, and then the means by which they're going to achieve, and then
00:04:19.340 | et cetera, et cetera, down to the command.
00:04:20.780 | So I'm going to reorder it and kind of work backwards for the section on the ladies.
00:04:26.260 | So let's jump to verse five, verse five and six, and look at the example.
00:04:31.420 | So this is the example for you to follow.
00:04:35.540 | He says, "For in this way in former times, the holy women also who hoped in God used
00:04:40.500 | to adorn themselves, being submissive to their own husbands.
00:04:44.500 | Just as Sarah obeyed Abraham, calling him Lord, and you have become her children if
00:04:48.900 | you do what is right without being frightened by any fear."
00:04:54.260 | So the example for you to follow is to be this holy woman, just as they were in the
00:04:59.060 | past.
00:05:00.300 | And if I were to give a sermon title for this, I would just call it Be Holy Woman.
00:05:05.460 | But what's more, there is just these running themes about what they did that will really
00:05:10.500 | challenge us.
00:05:12.220 | First, what did these holy women do?
00:05:16.020 | It says that they hoped in God.
00:05:19.260 | As an example of what you should mimic, it says that they placed their hope in God.
00:05:26.460 | Now as we think about this, I ask this question, what does hope have to do with this command
00:05:31.020 | to submit?
00:05:32.700 | Right?
00:05:34.100 | Now as we think about that for a moment, how does hope relate to this command to submit?
00:05:41.660 | Right?
00:05:42.780 | We get actually one of the greatest things that's going to be the solution for every
00:05:47.100 | scenario of our lives.
00:05:49.340 | Isn't hope that thing which really is synonymous with faith that caused every single individual
00:05:56.100 | in Hebrews chapter 11 to be able to do what they did?
00:06:00.660 | Isn't hope what they possessed in their heart that encouraged them to both suffer, to have
00:06:07.060 | loss of their possession, and continue to persevere even in the midst of all their suffering?
00:06:12.780 | Hope is actually so tied to any kind of difficulty, any act and application of our faith, that
00:06:19.860 | hope is what's revealed when we continue to do things like submit.
00:06:26.020 | So what do I mean by that?
00:06:27.900 | The evidence that we have hope is the application of submitting, enduring, and continuing to
00:06:34.180 | press on even in the circumstances that we find ourselves in.
00:06:38.760 | So think about this for a moment.
00:06:42.900 | The woman that he is speaking to, specifically on a circumstance that could be incredibly
00:06:50.980 | difficult.
00:06:51.980 | What is that namely?
00:06:54.340 | He calls out that these are women who potentially are wives to unbelieving husbands.
00:07:01.180 | Not only is it just simply unbelieving, but says they're disobedient to the word.
00:07:06.620 | Now in relation, I just want to ask this question, in relation to various things that can go
00:07:11.720 | wrong in your life, where would that measure?
00:07:17.180 | Now it's kind of like a, I guess you can say a messed up question to ask.
00:07:21.740 | It's like, "Dang, you know?
00:07:23.940 | Are we trying to, what if there was somebody in here who was, you know?
00:07:29.300 | What if?
00:07:30.300 | What if we knew people?"
00:07:31.300 | It's like, "Yeah, you're married to an unbelieving husband."
00:07:34.700 | And the reason why I ask that is because we have to kind of put ourselves in their shoes
00:07:39.620 | and realize that however bad we might think that it is today, that in their time, being
00:07:45.220 | married to an unbelieving husband could have been so detrimental to the well-being of their
00:07:49.980 | lives.
00:07:50.980 | I mean, already they lived in a culture where women was seen as a possession.
00:07:55.340 | Already they lived in a culture where men had the right to do whatever they wanted to
00:07:58.780 | their wives.
00:08:00.660 | To the degree that if they believed that the wife has sinned or committed some kind of
00:08:05.060 | offense worthy, the husband could execute her.
00:08:09.500 | So if this man is an unbelieving individual, think of the situation they find themselves
00:08:14.420 | in.
00:08:15.420 | Right?
00:08:17.420 | And the reason why I say, then in that moment, in that moment, their ability to continue
00:08:26.300 | on shows and proves they have a hope greater than just in their circumstance.
00:08:32.460 | Right?
00:08:33.460 | Just as every single disappointing moment that we could potentially have in this life
00:08:37.260 | with some sense you're young to when you're older, whether it be you're hoping that you'll
00:08:41.860 | go to a good college or you're hoping that you'll land a good job or you're hoping that
00:08:46.400 | you'll get married to a good, nice Christian individual or you're hoping you'll have a
00:08:50.340 | nice family, hoping you can raise a good family at a good church and hoping X, Y, and Z.
00:08:55.380 | Every single one of those moments is going to be a test of your hope.
00:09:00.020 | What are you placing?
00:09:01.700 | Where have you placed your hope?
00:09:04.700 | So I'm coming at this forefront of the idea that the holy woman that Apostle Peter is
00:09:10.500 | thinking about weren't just simply women who took a beating and then they survived.
00:09:21.020 | Right?
00:09:22.620 | We're talking about women who had an incredible amount of hope in the God they trusted that
00:09:28.860 | caused their ability and gave them power to continue to endure.
00:09:34.340 | Okay?
00:09:36.420 | In thinking about that then, in terms of the hope that they had in God, this is the
00:09:42.220 | source of their ability to submit.
00:09:45.100 | And it says with that ability, they adorned themselves with submission.
00:09:49.940 | I want to move on to a second question.
00:09:52.620 | If you guys can, I have a little table for you there asking the question, you know, how
00:09:58.220 | should wives be submissive?
00:10:01.020 | On a grand scale of things, we might have a very, I don't know, subconsciously very chauvinistic
00:10:06.300 | view of what submission would look like.
00:10:08.780 | It's like, you know, just be quiet and do what they say versus, you know, something
00:10:13.860 | that's good in terms of what submission would look like.
00:10:16.660 | So as a table, as a group, please fill in that table.
00:10:19.820 | What would be some markers or principles of good submission that a wife could show versus
00:10:24.820 | bad submission?
00:10:26.740 | Bad submission.
00:10:27.740 | Okay?
00:10:28.740 | Go.
00:10:29.740 | So at this time, you guys should at least have a couple in each box.
00:10:35.380 | Let's share a few.
00:10:36.860 | Let's just share a few.
00:10:37.860 | If I could have a raise of hand of someone who wants to just share what they put on the
00:10:42.420 | good side.
00:10:44.500 | Just raise of hand.
00:10:47.500 | Yes.
00:10:48.500 | Okay.
00:10:49.500 | So bearing with your husband even if he's wrong.
00:10:58.340 | Having that patience to, you know, even when he's wrong or whatnot, to bear with him.
00:11:02.860 | What else?
00:11:03.860 | If, huh?
00:11:04.860 | There you go.
00:11:05.860 | Next.
00:11:06.860 | What's another one?
00:11:07.860 | How about, let's see, that was a guy's table.
00:11:12.220 | So far table on the right, on the good side of submission.
00:11:28.860 | Joyfully.
00:11:29.860 | Good.
00:11:30.860 | In terms of the attitude of the heart.
00:11:34.220 | Okay?
00:11:35.220 | And one more for the good side of the submission.
00:11:43.020 | Okay.
00:11:46.060 | Good.
00:11:49.060 | So honoring and respecting the one that you are submitting to.
00:11:54.900 | What about on the bad side of submission?
00:11:59.940 | I'll just call on a few.
00:12:01.980 | How about directly ahead of me with Anson, Jeremy, Paul?
00:12:16.660 | Just following without considering if that's sin or not.
00:12:20.660 | From the woman's side, she's got to be thinking, right?
00:12:23.780 | Whether this is the will of God or whether it's contrary and actual sin.
00:12:29.540 | What else?
00:12:30.540 | Yes?
00:12:31.540 | Okay.
00:12:32.540 | Submitting with a level of arrogance and pride, because you can do that.
00:12:38.180 | What else?
00:12:40.180 | Let's see.
00:12:43.380 | Group to my left here with Rachel, Janine.
00:12:51.580 | Okay.
00:12:55.060 | Being resentful while you're submitting.
00:12:58.100 | So as we kind of described these two categories of what submission is, part of the reason
00:13:04.660 | why I had you guys do this is because I think submission is, one, the passage or the book
00:13:12.740 | that we're studying makes it a big topic.
00:13:15.500 | A topic where you're applying this in various scenarios in various ways.
00:13:20.180 | But what's more, it's actually a large topic conceptually for us too.
00:13:24.900 | Even when it's specific to the home.
00:13:28.100 | So the Ephesians passage, when it talks about subjection and submission, I'm just going
00:13:32.620 | to read it to you.
00:13:33.620 | It says, "Wives, be subject to your own husbands as to the Lord, for the husband is
00:13:37.540 | the head of the wife, as Christ also is the head of the church, he himself being the savior
00:13:42.540 | of the body.
00:13:43.700 | But as the church is subject to Christ, so also the wives ought to be to their husbands
00:13:49.540 | in everything."
00:13:53.020 | And if you just take that and say, "Okay, that's it."
00:13:57.500 | There is danger of you misapplying.
00:13:59.380 | There's a danger of you going outside of the bounds of scripture, so to speak.
00:14:03.620 | Because there are ways in which what submission shouldn't be.
00:14:07.460 | I absolutely agree with all the various things that you guys said in terms of what submission
00:14:11.380 | should not be.
00:14:13.040 | Submission should not be, I turn off my brain and whatever this man says, that's what's
00:14:17.780 | going to go.
00:14:19.380 | Rather, the way that even the passage that we're looking at, there is an intentional,
00:14:26.140 | there is an attitude that makes submission what it is.
00:14:30.700 | What's more, this kind of submission where if you are to just submit in every single
00:14:34.780 | way that you're avoiding to change your husband in any single way and there's nothing you're
00:14:42.060 | trying to exhort the husband to do, rather he's commanding you.
00:14:45.820 | Because that's not necessarily submission either.
00:14:48.580 | So sometimes when I hear these, I go to some weddings and they have these wedding vows
00:14:52.100 | like, "I'll never make you stop playing video games.
00:14:55.380 | I'll always let you do this."
00:14:56.900 | And that I'm just like, "That's not submission either."
00:14:59.900 | You know?
00:15:00.900 | That's not submission either.
00:15:02.860 | Why?
00:15:03.860 | Because the passage itself says you're trying to win your husband.
00:15:05.900 | You know what I mean?
00:15:07.540 | You're trying to win your husband.
00:15:09.500 | What's more, having a kind of dependency on your husband where in every single aspect
00:15:15.900 | of your life, both physically and spiritually, where you're so tied to your husband that
00:15:20.740 | he is your hope, that's a wrong kind of submission.
00:15:24.300 | We just talked about how even when the wife is in the relationship with her husband, that
00:15:29.500 | kind of relationship has to be one which her hope is in God.
00:15:34.460 | Her hope is in God.
00:15:36.140 | So as we think about that a little bit, we're going to describe in greater detail through
00:15:40.900 | going through this passage what submission rightly is.
00:15:44.980 | Think about this.
00:15:47.100 | In that example of what holy women did, it started off with saying they hoped in God
00:15:52.260 | that they were being submissive and then later it says, "Just as Sarah obeyed Abraham calling
00:15:56.980 | him Lord and you have become her children, if you," what?
00:16:00.380 | "Do what is right."
00:16:03.540 | Do what is right.
00:16:05.580 | So I have a cross-reference for you there.
00:16:07.720 | Please turn your Bibles over to 2 Corinthians chapter 7 verse 11.
00:16:11.860 | Okay?
00:16:12.860 | 2 Corinthians chapter 7 verse 11.
00:16:24.540 | It says, starting from verse 11 down to verse 12, it says, "For behold what earnestness
00:16:30.740 | in this very thing, this godly sorrow has produced in you, what vindication of yourselves,
00:16:36.300 | what indignation, what fear, what longing, what zeal, what avenging of wrong.
00:16:40.780 | In everything you demonstrated yourselves to be innocent in the matter.
00:16:45.260 | So although I wrote to you, it was not for the sake of the offender nor for the sake
00:16:49.100 | of the one offended, but that your earnestness on our behalf might be made known to you in
00:16:54.780 | the sight of God."
00:16:57.220 | Okay?
00:16:58.620 | So there is a sense in which when we think about good submission, that good submission
00:17:04.700 | has the idea of both being innocent and doing what is right in the sight of God in every
00:17:11.460 | instance.
00:17:12.980 | In good submission, there is a constant intentionality and thinking of what's good in this moment.
00:17:19.420 | What's good for my husband who is not a believer?
00:17:22.180 | What's good for our family, you know, who we will, even if we find ourselves in desperate
00:17:26.860 | and hard circumstances.
00:17:28.820 | So rather than actually think of submission at an attitude of, "Fine, have it your way."
00:17:33.940 | Right?
00:17:34.940 | Fine, right?
00:17:35.940 | No, the person who is submitting is actually constantly thinking intentionally what is
00:17:42.220 | good, godly, kind, peaceful, lovely in the sight of God in this circumstance.
00:17:49.100 | So there's a sense in which the one who is submitting in this scenario to a husband who
00:17:54.180 | is not a believer is thinking even harder than the husband.
00:17:57.580 | Does that make sense?
00:17:59.660 | Is thinking even far above and beyond what the husband might be thinking.
00:18:03.940 | That they are desiring to have a clarity of conscience before the Lord, doing what is
00:18:08.460 | right and peaceable in his sight.
00:18:11.460 | What's more, good submission is without fear.
00:18:16.140 | Right?
00:18:17.500 | He says, or the passage says that we are, or the ladies are children of Sarah if they
00:18:22.940 | do right without being frightened by fear.
00:18:27.780 | Think about that for a moment on how that connects.
00:18:30.660 | Right?
00:18:31.660 | How that connects.
00:18:33.020 | There I said is a bad form of submission.
00:18:35.740 | You know what that is?
00:18:37.460 | A bad form of submission is when you're so frightened of the consequences that your motivation
00:18:43.140 | to do what they say is you're just scared.
00:18:47.180 | Right?
00:18:48.180 | That you're just scared of what's going to happen, you're just scared of etc, etc.
00:18:52.740 | That's not the proper motivation for submission.
00:18:55.660 | So that kind of submission will always bear its fruit.
00:18:59.620 | You know?
00:19:01.100 | Especially even with us and any relationship that we have, especially with us and our relationship
00:19:05.420 | with God, that kind of submission and obedience is going to bear its own fruit.
00:19:11.420 | But just like we said earlier, the hope that we have in God is going to remove that fear,
00:19:16.980 | is going to tend to that fear and cause us to have an ability to submit with a proper
00:19:22.660 | attitude.
00:19:23.660 | And we're going to talk about that more as we move forward.
00:19:27.540 | Okay?
00:19:28.540 | So, so far we've described the submission that ladies are supposed to have in these
00:19:33.540 | ways.
00:19:35.180 | But and um, I'm just going to skip number six where it says, "Abraham and Sarah, why
00:19:43.420 | do you think he refers to this couple?"
00:19:45.860 | By just kind of brief, just for the sake of time, you know, he's making this case that
00:19:51.860 | this design of the structure was not something that he just made up.
00:19:56.980 | That this design was a calling of God, especially because his readers have an element of the
00:20:02.740 | Jewishness to them.
00:20:03.740 | If you notice, there's a lot of Jewish terminology, lots of quotation of the Old Testament.
00:20:07.860 | And as they see Abraham and Sarah as the father, you know, father Abraham of their, of their
00:20:13.020 | nation, um, he said, he's pointing to that saying, this is the calling of God and the
00:20:17.700 | pattern of God that he set long before.
00:20:20.860 | Okay?
00:20:21.860 | But what we're going to do is change gear a little bit and go to verse three and verse
00:20:26.340 | four.
00:20:27.340 | Okay?
00:20:28.340 | So let's read this here.
00:20:29.340 | He says, "Your adornment must not be merely external, braiding the hair, wearing gold
00:20:34.780 | jewelry or putting on dresses, but let it be the hidden person of the heart with the
00:20:40.060 | imperishable quality of a gentle and quiet spirit, which is precious in the sight of
00:20:46.500 | God."
00:20:47.500 | Okay?
00:20:48.500 | So earlier, the way that I put it was, here is the example of what you want to be, right?
00:20:56.180 | And then here in verse three and four is describing in greater detail the content of that example
00:21:01.700 | and the means by which you're going to accomplish what God has designed for you.
00:21:05.900 | Right?
00:21:06.940 | He talks about first what not to do, just simply trying to win the heart of people by
00:21:13.980 | externals, simply trying to change what's on the outside, simply trying to improve whatever
00:21:19.220 | is on the external side.
00:21:21.420 | But he says to work on the internal, the quality of being gentle and quiet in spirit.
00:21:26.540 | Right?
00:21:27.540 | Now I want to ask you, for those of you guys who did your homework, if you guys noticed,
00:21:32.140 | I said, go to a website that has Bible helps of looking up Greek words, and there's a resource
00:21:39.740 | of what's called Strong's Number.
00:21:41.420 | I'm not sure if you guys were able to do that, but did you guys get a chance to look at that?
00:21:46.500 | If someone did, can you kind of yell out what you found as a definition or a gloss of that
00:21:52.220 | word?
00:21:55.220 | Yes?
00:21:58.220 | Okay, no?
00:22:03.220 | Yes?
00:22:04.860 | Humble and meek.
00:22:06.860 | So this idea of gentleness, yeah, in the way that it's used in scripture, it has got very
00:22:16.620 | elaborate kind of use.
00:22:19.620 | When you think about this idea of being gentle, right?
00:22:22.700 | I mean, there's a sense that sometimes the way we can use it, but when you go to that
00:22:27.340 | website and you look at the resource, here's one of the definitions that it has as like
00:22:30.980 | a longer how it's used in the Bible.
00:22:32.860 | Right?
00:22:33.860 | I'm just going to read it to you.
00:22:35.180 | He says, "This idea of gentleness has an idea of meekness toward God in the disposition
00:22:40.800 | of the spirit where we accept his dealings with us as good, and therefore, without disputing
00:22:46.980 | or resisting what's happening.
00:22:49.500 | In the Old Testament, the meek are those wholly relying on God rather than their own strengths
00:22:53.780 | to defend against injustice.
00:22:55.180 | Thus, meekness towards evil people means knowing God is permitting the injuries they inflict,
00:22:59.780 | that he is using them to purify his elect, and that he will deliver his elect in time.
00:23:05.860 | Gentleness and meekness as opposite of being self-assertive and self-interested, it stems
00:23:10.940 | from this trust and hope in God's goodness and control over the situation."
00:23:14.940 | Right?
00:23:16.980 | So just as a means of like Bible study for you guys, that blueletter.com, for just anybody
00:23:22.540 | who doesn't necessarily know the Greek can just click onto it to get a bigger sense of
00:23:26.820 | how is this word used generally in the scripture.
00:23:30.500 | It definitely, it generally gives like a nice description of what that word would mean.
00:23:36.060 | But I think as a combination of the two, just think about this individual, where their submission
00:23:42.500 | is not, you know, again, just simply yielding and saying, "Fine, I'll do what you say."
00:23:50.660 | Right?
00:23:51.660 | Rather, it is a peace that one has.
00:23:54.300 | It is an attitude of the heart where they express to the unbelieving spouse, or whether
00:24:00.620 | in the cases of our submission to believing spouses, even whatever it may be, that there
00:24:04.980 | is an attitude of hope and faith where we can have peace.
00:24:08.340 | Why?
00:24:09.340 | Because we trust in God.
00:24:10.340 | Right?
00:24:11.340 | The kind of submission that he's asking for here, yes, involves yielding to the leadership
00:24:16.340 | of the husband, but realize that it involves this aspect of a character, the quality, and
00:24:22.980 | the attitude of the heart as well.
00:24:25.860 | Okay?
00:24:27.340 | This he says is precious in the sight of God.
00:24:31.260 | Why?
00:24:32.260 | Because our ability to not retaliate, our ability to not get revenge, our ability to
00:24:38.420 | not just, you know, combat them, compete with them, and try to, you know, to basically dominate
00:24:43.780 | them, what that shows is our faith.
00:24:47.900 | What that shows is our hope.
00:24:49.860 | What I mentioned earlier.
00:24:51.300 | Okay?
00:24:52.300 | All right.
00:24:54.020 | So, in thinking about this then, going back to verse one, going back to verse one, and
00:25:01.260 | verse two, it says, "In the same way, you wives, be submissive to your own husbands
00:25:05.380 | so that, even if any one of them are obedient to the word, disobedient to the word, they
00:25:09.980 | may be won without a word by the behavior of their wives, as they observe your chaste
00:25:14.780 | and respectful behavior."
00:25:17.020 | The challenge is that even in the home, even in an environment where, you know, naturally
00:25:24.540 | there's supposed to be a, you know, kind of comfort level, naturally you're supposed to
00:25:29.380 | let your guard down and all that kind of stuff, there is an expectation that we have winsome
00:25:34.340 | behavior.
00:25:35.340 | Right?
00:25:36.340 | That there is a purposeful intentionality where we're saying that in all we're doing,
00:25:40.900 | in our both submissiveness, in what we're doing in terms of just, you know, respecting
00:25:45.740 | them, in what we're doing with our, you know, our own purity, whatever it may be, we're
00:25:50.300 | trying to win them over.
00:25:52.540 | Right?
00:25:53.540 | So, for those of you guys who, you know, might be thinking, "Yeah, this specific passage
00:25:59.060 | doesn't directly apply to you because you're not a spouse of an unbeliever in the home."
00:26:04.700 | But this same attitude should be exhibited by every single one of us.
00:26:10.700 | Right?
00:26:11.700 | Whether we're dealing with difficult people, whether we're dealing with various circumstances
00:26:15.460 | outside of the house, this is the attitude we should have.
00:26:20.140 | That by our behavior and our attitude, they're being won over.
00:26:23.980 | I mean, for you personally, you know, personally, there is this question.
00:26:29.140 | When we experience injustice, our normal thoughts are not, "Win this individual over."
00:26:36.940 | But can we get there?
00:26:38.620 | Can we get there where we're not thinking, "This individual needs to recognize their
00:26:42.180 | injustice."
00:26:43.180 | You know?
00:26:44.180 | "This individual needs to pay me back.
00:26:46.420 | This individual better get it right."
00:26:48.580 | But rather, you're thinking on the level of, you know, winning that individual over
00:26:54.700 | to the grace of God.
00:26:56.900 | Okay?
00:26:58.500 | Alright.
00:27:00.660 | Any questions, thoughts about verses 1 through 7?
00:27:07.540 | I just want to summarize that section by saying this.
00:27:11.660 | Earlier I mentioned that the challenge in this passage, especially given the context
00:27:19.020 | they find themselves in, it is a kind of worldview-changing concept.
00:27:23.860 | Now, for many of you, you guys have heard this before in terms of roles of women to
00:27:27.500 | submit to their husbands.
00:27:28.860 | Yes.
00:27:29.860 | Now, that's something common to all of us who, let's say, are Bible-teaching churches
00:27:33.300 | or especially at our church too.
00:27:36.340 | But, if you were to place yourself in their shoes and just think, right?
00:27:42.780 | Just think that these ladies who, he's talking to people who for their faith have already
00:27:49.140 | been oppressed.
00:27:50.820 | He's talking to people where there is systematic suffering for the people who call themselves
00:27:55.740 | Christian.
00:27:56.740 | And I would imagine then that the husband, should he be a disobedient man, should he
00:28:01.860 | be a pagan who buys into the philosophy of the world, might be thinking, "Look, now
00:28:06.860 | he has reason and rationale because of what's going on in the government to even be harsher
00:28:13.540 | on his wife."
00:28:14.540 | And in that moment, what's natural for most people is either flee, run, get out of there.
00:28:21.700 | Right?
00:28:22.700 | But the scripture, rather than contrary to what is our natural reaction, says, "Even
00:28:27.700 | in those moments, let your attitude shine.
00:28:31.460 | Let your hope and faith shine even in one of those dire moments."
00:28:35.820 | Okay?
00:28:36.820 | All right.
00:28:37.820 | Then, I'm going to wrap up with exhortation to husbands.
00:28:45.220 | Okay?
00:28:46.220 | And I know today, I think it's Husband's Day, right?
00:28:50.140 | So I mean, not Husband's Day, but Father, Dads, there's people who are alternating.
00:28:54.680 | So you guys can make sure you really pay attention here.
00:28:59.720 | Let's take a look on verse 7.
00:29:03.080 | It says, "You husbands, in the same way, live with your wives in an understanding way, as
00:29:08.520 | with someone weaker, since she is a woman, and show her honor as a fellow heir of the
00:29:14.120 | grace of life, so that your prayers will not be hindered."
00:29:16.720 | Okay?
00:29:17.720 | Now, I want to ask you this question, and please take a moment to think about this.
00:29:23.840 | Notice something from the beginning of the passage, that there is a continuity and connection
00:29:28.480 | of thought.
00:29:30.040 | Just as there was at the beginning of verse 1, "In the same way, you wives submit."
00:29:35.160 | Right?
00:29:36.160 | And we saw a trail of thinking, a trail of rationale, which for us, we can easily connect.
00:29:42.440 | Yeah, just like he said, "Submit to the government," there should be submission in the home.
00:29:47.360 | But look at this.
00:29:49.340 | With all the commands that are given here, how is this in the same pattern?
00:29:54.540 | How is this in the same way?
00:29:58.500 | Aren't husbands supposed to not submit and lead?
00:30:02.900 | Aren't husbands supposed to set the tone?
00:30:05.620 | Aren't husbands supposed to direct the wives?
00:30:07.380 | Aren't husbands supposed to command and be that figure of strength or whatnot?
00:30:13.060 | So how is this in the same way?
00:30:16.420 | Think about that for a moment.
00:30:20.500 | Think about it, think about it.
00:30:27.100 | Okay.
00:30:28.420 | Anybody have a shot at that?
00:30:31.320 | How is this for the command for the husband the same way as it is what we just read for
00:30:37.140 | the wives?
00:30:38.140 | To have an attitude and heart as one who hopes in God.
00:30:43.140 | Okay, to have an attitude and heart as one who hopes in God.
00:30:47.260 | Excellent.
00:30:48.260 | What else?
00:30:49.260 | Yes?
00:30:50.260 | It's a chain of authority leading all the way back to God.
00:30:51.260 | So the men don't have anything easier or better per se.
00:30:52.260 | They have to submit to the authority surrounding them.
00:30:53.260 | They have to submit to God as well.
00:30:54.260 | And the men don't have anything easier or better per se.
00:30:55.260 | They have to submit to God as well.
00:30:56.260 | And the men don't have anything easier or better per se.
00:30:57.260 | And the men don't have anything easier or better per se.
00:30:58.260 | And the men don't have anything easier or better per se.
00:30:59.260 | And the men don't have anything easier or better per se.
00:31:00.260 | And the men don't have anything easier or better per se.
00:31:01.260 | And the men don't have anything easier or better per se.
00:31:02.260 | And the men don't have anything easier or better per se.
00:31:03.260 | And the men don't have anything easier or better per se.
00:31:24.940 | And the men don't have anything easier or better per se.
00:31:25.940 | And the men don't have anything easier or better per se.
00:31:26.940 | And the men don't have anything easier or better per se.
00:31:27.940 | And the men don't have anything easier or better per se.
00:31:28.940 | And the men don't have anything easier or better per se.
00:31:29.940 | And the men don't have anything easier or better per se.
00:31:30.940 | And the men don't have anything easier or better per se.
00:31:31.940 | And the men don't have anything easier or better per se.
00:31:32.940 | hierarchy right? Boom, boom, boom, boom, boom. But nonetheless we are all still under the
00:31:37.680 | authority of God. Together. Okay? But what's more, even in the concept of how we view,
00:31:44.340 | how we view leadership, how we view the call of man, there's a sense in which both what
00:31:49.920 | we do and both what women do are both dying to ourselves. Right? There's a sense in which
00:31:58.380 | what we're called to do, a lot of times maybe we're thinking because we lead, because we
00:32:02.820 | etc, etc, maybe that translates to us then, so now I'm in charge and I get to benefit
00:32:08.860 | from their submission. But that's not the way God put it. The way that God put it is,
00:32:13.580 | even for just as the wife is called to submit and therefore die to herself and make herself
00:32:19.540 | vulnerable, there's a sense with the man as he leads, he dies to himself and he takes
00:32:24.440 | responsibility for that vulnerable person. And so I want to make a call to all the guys
00:32:30.340 | in here. If you think about leadership, we're going to have lots of different styles of
00:32:36.220 | leadership. Some of us are going to be like real vocal, some of us are going to come off
00:32:39.940 | real strong, etc, etc. But nonetheless, the summary of our leadership is going to be we
00:32:44.260 | now have a huge burden and responsibility for the well-being of the individual. What
00:32:49.660 | did I say about submission? Your submission is not just simply fine, you just tell me
00:32:53.940 | what to do and I'll do it, because that's not real submission. You have to be constantly
00:32:57.740 | thinking what is in the best in the sight of God. So likewise, husbands, thinking to
00:33:06.160 | and asking what is spiritually, physically best for the people that I'm leading, it's
00:33:10.900 | in the same thing, same category. We're trying to achieve and accomplish the same goal, yet
00:33:17.300 | we have now different roles. And so I want to talk about that because I really do feel
00:33:23.260 | like there is still a continuity behind what Apostle Peter is calling the wives to do and
00:33:30.740 | what Apostle Peter is calling the husbands to do. And because for both concepts of submission
00:33:36.140 | and leadership, this world has tainted it, we kind of find that it's just always like
00:33:40.740 | this. We always find that it's always like at odds with each other in some way or another.
00:33:47.380 | But that's typically because whatever gift we've been given by God, we learn to exploit.
00:33:52.780 | So I want to start off with this idea that there is this continuity of idea and then
00:33:59.140 | this passage challenges husbands to live with their wives in an understanding way. Let me
00:34:05.460 | ask you another question. What are men supposed to understand? Now what's really interesting
00:34:11.100 | as a kind of a setup for you guys while you think about that, is the NIV kind of says
00:34:16.780 | like be considerate. And I'm going to be honest with you, many people have interpreted this
00:34:24.900 | passage and I'll confess, six years ago, it's already been a long time, six years ago I
00:34:29.980 | gave a sermon on being a man. And then I actually referenced this passage. And the way I interpreted
00:34:36.700 | it was you have to be understanding because you know, woman logic. It's pretty bad, I'm
00:34:45.100 | just confessing. The way I kind of made it sound was, yeah, there's a sense in which
00:34:49.580 | men just have to be patient. You understand the struggles of women. You know how sometimes
00:34:53.620 | insecure they are, you know, sometimes, et cetera, et cetera, they struggle with their
00:34:56.900 | emotions and I'm just digging myself a hole. And then you just, men just have to understand
00:35:01.260 | that, you know, have you guys seen those memes? Woman logic. And then it's just like, is that
00:35:06.940 | what the Bible is saying? Live with women in an understanding way, which means you're
00:35:10.700 | just supposed to be patient, you're just supposed to understand that they're, you know, they're
00:35:15.260 | X, Y, and Z. Is that all it's saying? Like, what are you supposed to understand? Again,
00:35:23.060 | there are a lot of people who interpret this passage by way of saying, understanding just
00:35:27.780 | means just consider, be considerate of them, be patient with them. Is that all he's saying?
00:35:33.540 | Okay. For the sake of time, I'm going to let you think about that for a little bit and
00:35:39.460 | then I make this case. No way. Right? Otherwise it would seem kind of not fair. Right? To
00:35:46.180 | the woman, like we just went six verses of like, you need to submit, you need to have
00:35:49.860 | character in the heart, you need to do this. And it's like, guys, just be patient with
00:35:53.180 | them. Okay? Like, is that, is that all he's saying? And absolutely not. I don't think
00:35:57.780 | so. I think when he's saying this, the, you have to, you have to take into consideration
00:36:04.700 | how it actually comes off. In the Greek, the way it reads is husbands, likewise dwelling
00:36:10.260 | together with knowledge. Okay? So it doesn't just say be patient with these women. In the
00:36:15.900 | Greek, the way it reads is husbands dwell together with knowledge. Okay? So by way of
00:36:22.780 | application, you're supposed to live and be with her with full knowledge. But I asked
00:36:30.140 | the question of what if you think the answer to that is just the way she thinks that would
00:36:37.660 | be too small. Why? Because the huge chunk, remember earlier I said that the application,
00:36:43.620 | the application of all that we know of the gospel comes in first Peter chapter one, verse
00:36:48.620 | 13. We'll take a look at it. Okay? So let's go back in your Bible. It's chapter one, verse
00:36:53.820 | 12, 13 and 14. And this is what it says. It was revealed to them that they were not serving
00:36:58.340 | themselves, but you and these things which are now have been announced to you through
00:37:01.940 | those who preach the gospel to you by the Holy Spirit. When the Holy Spirit sent from
00:37:06.900 | heaven things into which angels long to look. Therefore, what prepare your minds for action,
00:37:14.060 | keep sober in spirit and fix your hope completely on the grace to be brought to you at the revelation
00:37:18.980 | of Jesus Christ as obedient children do not be conformed to the former lusts, which were
00:37:23.420 | yours in what in your ignorance. So when the apostle says you need to live in knowledge,
00:37:31.980 | he's not just talking about, Oh, you just need to be patient with these women. No, he's
00:37:38.300 | saying all that is pertaining to a higher knowledge of your worldview in Christ, of
00:37:43.460 | your worldly through the spirit that all applies. So namely he says, stop giving into your pagan
00:37:49.540 | lust. Stop being so selfish like you were before, where all you thought about is gratifying
00:37:55.060 | your flesh, exploiting this woman who's called to serve, called to submit and then saying,
00:38:01.060 | serve me, give me what I want. Right? So your worldview of what marriage commitment should
00:38:09.380 | look like your worldview of your role as a husband, your worldview of her role, your
00:38:14.100 | worldview of family contentment and wellbeing, all this stuff matters. And then as a subset,
00:38:22.740 | there's an understanding of who she is. That would only be a small part of the greater
00:38:28.140 | knowledge he wants us to live by. So that's why I'm not sure if many of you guys have
00:38:33.780 | read this book. For those of you guys who are single, I recommend you read it. For those
00:38:37.180 | of you guys are married, I recommend you read it. There's a guy named Stuart Scott who wrote
00:38:40.740 | a book called exemplary husband, first three chapters, theology. He says, this is what
00:38:45.780 | a leader should know. Why? Because if you have no idea what you should do, you're not
00:38:49.660 | a leader. Makes sense. You should be leading with full knowledge. Well, of a worldview,
00:38:57.740 | you should be a, in many ways, a theologian of what God is expecting from us. Okay? So
00:39:05.340 | in thinking about that a little bit, when it says for us to dwell with, with her in
00:39:11.460 | knowledge, it is challenging us, especially as men to apply the gospel in how we are dwelling
00:39:17.860 | and living with her. What's more moving forward. It says living with her in an understanding
00:39:24.780 | way as with someone weaker since she is a woman. Okay. And, uh, Oh wait, I think I kind
00:39:34.100 | of messed up the order here. Sorry. Um, we're going to kind of go out of order a little
00:39:41.900 | bit in terms of, um, that section where it says weaker, we'll come back to that. And
00:39:48.380 | then it says this command, show her honor as a fellow heir of the grace of life. Okay.
00:39:54.580 | Putting the two commands together. One live with knowledge to show her honor. Now in showing
00:40:03.380 | an individual honor as what men should be doing, I think there's a difference between
00:40:09.020 | just showing somebody respect as opposed to showing someone honor. Right? I think there's
00:40:15.060 | a difference between just appreciating somebody versus showing someone honor. And I want us
00:40:20.740 | to think about that for a little bit. You know, what would this idea of honoring look
00:40:25.100 | like? Because truthfully speaking, we respect a lot of things, you know, for those of you
00:40:31.020 | guys play basketball, you respect referees, you know, but you don't run over and be like,
00:40:36.380 | well, bam flower, you know, you did such a good job. You respect, you know, the laws
00:40:42.860 | of the land, but you don't stop at every speed light to just be like, bow. I honor you. You
00:40:47.340 | know, we, there's a difference between just simply respecting and acknowledging something
00:40:51.460 | that's there versus honoring. And you know, what's really crazy about this is the word
00:40:57.140 | for honor to show her honor is actually the same word translated precious in chapter two,
00:41:04.420 | verse seven. So earlier in chapter two, verse seven, he talked about this precious stone,
00:41:10.140 | this precious stone to which to us is a huge advantage. And that word for precious is the
00:41:15.860 | same word that he uses to honor. So if there is anything fragile we've ever owned, if there's
00:41:24.540 | anything valuable, like a family heirloom, if there's something that we've moved, carried
00:41:29.020 | up, carries an incredible amount of value, that's the way that we should treat the woman
00:41:34.420 | that treat the wives. For those of you guys who are married, there is this question. And
00:41:39.300 | I was really personally convicted by this. And as I was kind of thinking, and truthfully
00:41:44.620 | speaking in the last, I don't know, I feel like dating back from last July, life has
00:41:50.420 | been kind of crazy. There's just been so much going on. And in the last like month or two,
00:41:56.700 | I've personally been sick and all this kind of happens. And then there's a sense to which,
00:42:02.940 | yeah, like I communicate my love to my wife. But I have to follow up a second question
00:42:09.980 | to that, which is, does she understand what I'm communicating? What I mean by that is
00:42:16.940 | sometimes as a man, you communicate your love, but then you think you're done because you
00:42:22.540 | just communicated whatever you needed to say. But then in this, when he talks about honoring
00:42:30.060 | your wife, there's a sense to which is calling us to go above and beyond whatever we think
00:42:36.540 | is just simply acceptable, to the degree where we can ask ourselves, does she understand
00:42:42.060 | and get that on a human level, she is the most important, precious, valuable thing that
00:42:48.100 | I have? That she has the honor and the affection of my heart. And the reason why I kind of
00:42:56.940 | gave you my own personal kind of life example is because again, I think sometimes if let's
00:43:02.220 | say I schedule in, "Hey, I'm busy. So on Tuesday, we're going to go out. Okay." I mean, you
00:43:08.780 | guys know that's just not enough. What if I ever just said like, "Hey, we had Tuesday,
00:43:14.820 | you know, a Tuesday date night, so I'm done." That don't make any sense. We need to be constantly
00:43:22.220 | pursuing, honoring, and showing as precious who they are in our lives. So I make a challenge
00:43:30.900 | that this passage, this call to the man, again, it's not just simply like, "Okay, guys, you
00:43:35.900 | know, you know how women are and just be understanding, whatever." But there is this even higher calling
00:43:41.220 | that in the heart condition, you're seeing her as something precious. And if she is then,
00:43:47.580 | then all the various applications of what we said, seeking her best interest, taking
00:43:52.620 | responsibility for the wellbeing. This is the kind of attitude that men should have.
00:43:57.500 | And for those of you who aren't married yet, think about that. If you're an individual
00:44:03.660 | who doesn't know how to respect first and foremost, and then to honor somebody, we need
00:44:09.140 | to learn how to do that. Right? If you're a guy who's regularly given not to uplift,
00:44:16.420 | like exhort and really affirm people, but rather you're always just making fun of people,
00:44:20.940 | crashing them down and breaking them, because you think that's what, you know, cool guys
00:44:25.660 | or whatever it may be do, we got to realize that's not showing what men need to be doing
00:44:31.780 | and learn to do for the future. Okay. And what's more, I want to kind of wrap up with
00:44:38.820 | this next two points right here. The passage talks about how, in terms of why we need to
00:44:46.460 | be understanding, in terms of why we need to make sure that we're, you know, being careful
00:44:50.580 | and see somebody as precious, is that this individual is someone weaker since she is
00:44:57.140 | a woman. Right? I want to ask you this question. In what way is she weaker? Does this refer
00:45:04.260 | to only physical weakness? And again, as I studied this passage, I kind of realized like,
00:45:10.220 | maybe the common way that people looked at this, like, yeah, you know, she can't carry
00:45:13.780 | as much. She can't carry as many bags in the, in the whatever. She can't carry the heavy
00:45:18.020 | trash. I don't know. Maybe that's how some people might've thought. That's just physically
00:45:23.020 | this individual happens to be weaker than men. But is that, is that what it's really
00:45:30.060 | just talking about? Maybe just a physical weakness that one has? I would like to say
00:45:38.180 | again, no, that is not necessarily what it's talking about. I want to kind of highlight
00:45:46.140 | this thing. And I got this from the Baker commentary by Jobes. The author highlighted
00:45:52.320 | the fact that the passage has a comparative word, weaker, not like this person is weak.
00:45:59.020 | Okay. In comparison, there is a weakness, but what is this weakness? And this is the
00:46:06.380 | case that I want to make. And it was important enough. I know we've kind of gone long already,
00:46:09.780 | almost a full hour, but I just want to kind of put this in here. Okay. That what we need
00:46:15.020 | to realize is there is a two kinds of strengths that people need to make sure that the husband
00:46:20.980 | and wife role operate correctly. What do I mean by this two strengths? A man needs to
00:46:27.220 | have a kind of strength where he's leading and he's not stumbled by fear because he's
00:46:32.860 | so afraid he's going to mess up in his leading or he's going to mess up in X, Y, and Z. He's
00:46:37.140 | not going to do a good job and his pride is going to get hurt. And he needs to have strength
00:46:42.140 | to overcome that. Men have a lot of fear when it comes to performance anxiety. Like I need
00:46:47.300 | to do this, this, this, this. And if it doesn't go well and I fail, then, uh, and they have
00:46:51.740 | a big fear about that. But in terms of for the ladies, there is a strength that they
00:46:56.340 | need where the role that God has called them to is one of vulnerability, right? In many
00:47:04.340 | ways, women are placed into a role where they make themselves vulnerable because they're
00:47:08.700 | making their, they've been asked to follow. They've been asked to submit by the call of
00:47:14.220 | God, right? And this is where the passage is teaching men, you need to understand she's
00:47:20.580 | not just physically weak. God has placed you in a role of vulnerability. Do not exploit
00:47:25.580 | that. We're so in tune or that's typically like what we do with anything good and opportunity
00:47:32.700 | we have. We exploit the opportunities we have to be selfish. So we exploit the opportunity
00:47:38.500 | in our, in our liberty, liberty and Christian freedom and exploit that for selfishness,
00:47:43.820 | grace and mercy, which we receive free. We exploit that for selfishness. But this passage
00:47:48.580 | is saying, think otherwise. God has called the lady to a position that is more vulnerable
00:47:56.620 | than you live with them with knowledge and understanding, see them as precious and honor
00:48:02.500 | them. Right? So as I think about that, I don't think it's just, just a, um, a call for men
00:48:10.180 | to understand, Oh, she's weaker physically. So make sure you carry the heavy stuff, right?
00:48:15.900 | It's far more than that. It's far more than that. Now I want to conclude by saying, so
00:48:23.300 | in all of this, a big challenge for us to think through the roles that God has given
00:48:28.380 | us and how our hope in God is challenging us to fulfill these roles. But what's more,
00:48:35.620 | he says at the very tail end of the exhortation to the husband, he says at the very end that,
00:48:42.180 | you know, we need to show her honor as a fellow heir of the grace of life so that your prayers
00:48:47.620 | may not be hindered. So the rationale for all this, why husbands need to do this, be
00:48:54.420 | understanding, why wives need to submit, the rationale for all that is not so that you
00:48:59.140 | would have a fine and dandy, peaceful home, right? The rationale for all that is not so
00:49:05.340 | that you will have a, you know, a marriage life to envy where everybody's looking at
00:49:11.220 | you like, wow, you know, the rationale behind that is your conscience before God. So you
00:49:16.940 | can pray to him and you will notice that when you read the passage before and you read the
00:49:21.660 | passes after that in terms of why we are doing what we're doing, taking on the call that
00:49:26.260 | God has given us just so that one, we're seeking his good pleasure and two, that our consciousness
00:49:31.940 | be clear before God, that there is an innocence between us and God and that when we can, when
00:49:38.060 | we are in our relationship with the Lord, that there is a clarity, right? So everything
00:49:45.300 | here is motivated by our relationship with our father, that before him, we have clarity
00:49:52.020 | of conscience, okay? All right. I know that was kind of a long study. There's like much
00:49:57.700 | to be said through that. Is there any questions or thoughts on that passage? Okay, well, let's
00:50:08.660 | take some time to pray. Let's pray. Heavenly father, we want to pray and ask Lord that
00:50:25.260 | when we hear the challenge of the scripture for us to do things that typically are not
00:50:31.660 | natural to our flesh, when we're called to do things that really are at the standard
00:50:38.660 | of God and Lord, maybe standards that we've accepted before are blown away and we realize
00:50:44.380 | father God that what you expect is so much greater. I pray Lord that you grant to us
00:50:49.140 | first just a commitment that with all effort, with all our hearts, we will try to follow
00:50:54.820 | your way. And I ask God that you would continue to grant to us great faith so that we would
00:51:01.380 | have the power to do so. Lord, I ask that as the family is truly so important and as
00:51:10.060 | the relationship between husband and wife, who we are as men and women is so important
00:51:15.380 | father God, I ask Lord that especially at our church, Lord, you would challenge us to
00:51:21.700 | really fulfill what you have designed. We know father God that we're going to experience
00:51:27.900 | conflict with the philosophy of the world. We know father God that oftentimes we're going
00:51:32.380 | to experience just big hurdles because of the worldview in which we live, the surrounding
00:51:39.060 | that we have. But again, I ask Lord that you grant to us just a heart of perseverance and
00:51:44.220 | endurance Lord. Father, we thank you again in Christ name we pray. Amen.