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Wed Bible Study (BCC 2) - 10-19-16


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00:00:00.000 | All right, so today we're going to be going through biblical interpretation.
00:00:11.280 | And again, I know those of you who've taken hermeneutics who've been at our church for
00:00:15.080 | a while, again, a lot of this stuff is going to be reviewed, but I think it's important
00:00:19.400 | that we have everybody at the church who are members and growing in the church that we're
00:00:24.960 | on the same page.
00:00:27.600 | You know, I think for me, one of the most frustrating conversations that I have, oftentimes,
00:00:35.080 | I don't think it happens much in the church, but it's oftentimes outside the church when
00:00:39.120 | I run into other pastors or other Christians or I'm speaking somewhere and we happen to
00:00:44.020 | have a disagreement on a particular doctrine, maybe a woman in ministry issue.
00:00:51.000 | More and more it seems like the homosexuality, that issue, even inside the church, it's being
00:00:56.160 | debated.
00:00:57.160 | It's sad, but it's being debated.
00:00:58.520 | But when that subject comes up, it's the way that we argue or discuss, it's frustrating
00:01:05.080 | because we've strayed away from the authority of the word of God.
00:01:09.840 | In fact, most churches I know will confess in their doctrinal statement that they believe
00:01:13.640 | that the word of God is inerrant, but it's not being used that way.
00:01:16.920 | The word of God is not the final authority.
00:01:18.880 | It almost kind of like, well, you come from a conservative church, that's what you believe.
00:01:22.280 | You know, I'm not sure if that's what I believe.
00:01:24.720 | And so, well, do you believe in the word of God?
00:01:26.600 | I'd say, yes, of course I believe in the word of God.
00:01:29.200 | But do you believe what it says about that?
00:01:30.800 | I'd say, yes, but that's your opinion.
00:01:32.280 | I have this opinion.
00:01:33.520 | But it's never really about interpretation of what the word of God says.
00:01:38.000 | It's just your opinion versus my opinion.
00:01:40.640 | It's extremely important for us that not only do we confess the word of God as having authority,
00:01:46.920 | we need to actually practice that it has authority.
00:01:50.720 | So the way we think, what we consider right or wrong, what we practice has to be based
00:01:54.260 | upon a careful study of the word of God.
00:01:57.720 | Not your prejudice, not whatever's happening in our culture, not what other Christians
00:02:02.460 | are thinking, that it has to be based on God's word.
00:02:05.440 | So from the very beginning of our church, the reason why we chose the name Berean was
00:02:11.360 | because we want to be a church that actually tested the word of God to make sure that what
00:02:15.000 | we're standing for is His word, right?
00:02:17.800 | Not just we're Baptist or we happen to be Reformed or we have, you know, whatever doctrines
00:02:22.220 | that we have.
00:02:23.220 | Today, we're going to be going over some interpretational issues.
00:02:27.160 | So again, this is not a hermeneutics class, so we're not going to be able to spend a lot
00:02:31.200 | of time, but just basic principles of how we ought to understand Scripture and how to
00:02:36.020 | apply it.
00:02:37.020 | How do we come to truth?
00:02:38.020 | Okay?
00:02:39.020 | So, I'm not going to answer all your questions, but hopefully, at least fundamentally, we're
00:02:45.480 | on the same page when it comes to this.
00:02:48.000 | So perspective of interpretation, there's three things that you'll see.
00:02:52.960 | The first perspective of interpretation is in the third-person approach.
00:02:58.440 | We call that exegesis, right?
00:03:01.720 | And in essence, it's discovering the truth.
00:03:04.460 | And I'm going to go a little bit more deeper into that.
00:03:07.160 | The second is in the first-person approach, which is for devotional purposes, which is
00:03:12.360 | personal application.
00:03:15.380 | So first approach is finding out what does it say?
00:03:17.840 | What is the truth?
00:03:18.840 | Second, how does it apply to me?
00:03:21.660 | And then the second-person approach is homiletical, sharing the Word to others.
00:03:29.120 | Okay?
00:03:33.840 | So whenever we approach the Scripture, we have to approach the Scripture with all three.
00:03:37.880 | The temptation that I have as a pastor or a teacher, or maybe some of you guys who are
00:03:42.400 | Sunday school teachers or whatever, that we can get in the habit of just studying for
00:03:46.200 | number three.
00:03:47.680 | You know, it's dangerous if we just come and say, "Oh, you know, are there materials in
00:03:51.200 | the Bible that I should teach?"
00:03:53.160 | And then it never makes a personal impact on you.
00:03:55.780 | These are the three steps that every time we open up the Scripture, one, what does it
00:04:00.440 | say?
00:04:01.440 | Two, what does it say to you?
00:04:03.600 | How does it impact you?
00:04:04.600 | Third, how do I share this?
00:04:06.720 | Okay?
00:04:07.720 | In that order.
00:04:08.720 | So let's go visit that.
00:04:11.000 | First one is the third-person approach exegesis, which is discovering the truth.
00:04:16.040 | Right?
00:04:17.400 | The question that we need to answer is, what does this mean?
00:04:21.800 | Right?
00:04:23.520 | Not, what does it mean to me?
00:04:27.640 | Oh, sorry, that's not it.
00:04:29.200 | Yeah, what does this passage mean?
00:04:31.840 | So careful attention to the laws of interpretation.
00:04:35.240 | Applying some of the hermeneutical principles that we're going to be talking about today.
00:04:39.520 | And hermeneutics basically means the guidelines of how to interpret Scripture.
00:04:46.640 | What did the original audience understand?
00:04:50.240 | Before we get to anything.
00:04:52.360 | What did he mean, and how did they understand it?
00:04:54.560 | Two thousand years ago when the New Testament was written, what did they understand?
00:04:59.640 | And we need to really be careful that when we're studying, that we're really taking
00:05:04.600 | our time to figure that out.
00:05:06.880 | There are certain things that, certain phrases that we say today that may not have made sense
00:05:13.240 | thirty years ago.
00:05:14.240 | Right?
00:05:15.240 | Even twenty years ago.
00:05:16.240 | We just had this conversation with Esther.
00:05:19.400 | One of our kids said the word "sick."
00:05:21.800 | And she's so square, she didn't know what it meant.
00:05:25.440 | Sick.
00:05:26.440 | And I had to explain to her.
00:05:27.440 | Right?
00:05:28.440 | This is how cool people use the word "sick."
00:05:30.600 | It means good or cool.
00:05:32.600 | And she just didn't get it because she's from a different era.
00:05:39.120 | She's always making fun of me, so I'm up here.
00:05:41.440 | Alright.
00:05:42.440 | So, you know, certain phrases or certain words that we use.
00:05:45.440 | I mean, this was used two thousand years ago.
00:05:47.400 | So when we interpret certain passages, that we don't go in there and say, "Oh, they're
00:05:52.600 | using the word 'heart.'"
00:05:54.600 | Like that's another one of those words that when you see the word "heart" in the Bible,
00:05:58.520 | the word "heart," the way they use it is very different than the way we use it.
00:06:02.320 | Right?
00:06:03.320 | We use it as emotion.
00:06:04.320 | They use it more of a will or soul.
00:06:06.520 | Like it encompasses everything.
00:06:08.360 | So we have to be careful that we do our homework to find out what did they mean by it.
00:06:13.320 | Right?
00:06:14.320 | The other thing that I had a really hard time with is the term "slavery."
00:06:17.800 | Because there's so many negative connotations, obviously because of recent history in the
00:06:21.360 | last hundred, hundred and fifty years.
00:06:23.520 | And so we project a lot of things that we know to be evil, which I'm not saying that
00:06:28.320 | slavery at that time was considered a good thing, but it culturally, it's very different
00:06:33.440 | the way they use slavery.
00:06:34.440 | It was almost part of their economy.
00:06:36.940 | So when we begin to project a lot of the criticisms that you will hear from the liberal media
00:06:41.480 | or from people who are trying to knock Christianity, it's because they're interpreting from their
00:06:46.640 | understanding of what these things mean.
00:06:49.480 | So the first step is understanding what did they understand?
00:06:53.400 | How did they understand it?
00:06:54.920 | Right?
00:06:55.920 | So you have to do some homework.
00:06:57.480 | You have to go back, maybe read some commentary, some cultural stuff.
00:07:01.720 | And the more you do this, the easier it'll become.
00:07:05.080 | Because your knowledge will grow.
00:07:06.080 | And the more you understand about what was happening during that period, the more, less
00:07:10.960 | work you have to do to figure this out.
00:07:13.440 | So this is the first and most important part of biblical interpretation.
00:07:17.580 | What did the author mean?
00:07:19.340 | How did they understand what he said?
00:07:22.000 | Okay?
00:07:23.000 | So a lot of the passages in the Bible where you say, "Oh, that seems to contradict."
00:07:27.400 | Right?
00:07:28.400 | "He said this over here, and he said that over there."
00:07:30.760 | But when you do a careful study, you realize that, again, it's not a contradiction at all
00:07:34.360 | when you understand the culture and what they meant by it.
00:07:39.440 | The danger of not doing this, or to ignore this step, is the interpretation of scripture
00:07:44.960 | is no more than personal opinion and conjecture.
00:07:48.200 | That if you're in the habit of just opening up in scripture and saying, "Well, this is
00:07:51.680 | what I think this passage means," and you have an accumulation of knowledge that you've
00:07:56.760 | gained from a superficial reading of the scripture, you can come out with all kinds of doctrines
00:08:02.320 | and you think it's biblical, but when you actually carefully study it, you find out
00:08:05.520 | it has nothing to do with scripture.
00:08:07.320 | Right?
00:08:08.320 | So we have to be very careful.
00:08:09.600 | So when we're saying that we want to be Berean, this is what we mean.
00:08:13.640 | We want to test every doctrine, every movement, right?
00:08:18.320 | Every doctrinal position to make sure that it's coming from scripture.
00:08:22.000 | Right?
00:08:23.000 | Not from our denomination, not from anywhere else, but from scripture.
00:08:25.520 | Okay, sorry.
00:08:26.520 | Let me go back to that.
00:08:29.160 | So if we don't do that, the danger is it begins to lose authority.
00:08:32.680 | Right?
00:08:33.680 | If what we're preaching and saying is simply based upon my experience, well, my experience
00:08:38.560 | is no better than yours, and it's no better than the person down the street.
00:08:42.000 | Right?
00:08:43.000 | The authority has to come from the Word of God.
00:08:45.320 | And so if we're going to speak with authority, it has to be based on truth.
00:08:49.440 | Not my opinion, not your experience.
00:08:53.160 | The second is the first-person approach is devotional.
00:08:57.280 | Right?
00:08:58.280 | So the first part is interpretation, and then the second part of it is application.
00:09:02.680 | Right?
00:09:03.680 | What does this mean for me?
00:09:05.680 | Okay?
00:09:07.040 | Not what does it mean to me.
00:09:10.000 | Meaning not to get into the scripture and say, "Well, when you read this, what do you
00:09:13.920 | get out of it?"
00:09:15.320 | Right?
00:09:16.320 | First, do the homework of interpretation, and then, applicationally, what is God convicting
00:09:21.840 | you of?
00:09:22.840 | So, if we miss this part, again, those of you who've been at our church for a while,
00:09:26.200 | I've said this so many times.
00:09:28.640 | Right?
00:09:30.080 | Interpretation without application is what?
00:09:34.640 | Is what?
00:09:36.640 | Abortion.
00:09:38.600 | Application without interpretation is what?
00:09:40.920 | Is a miscarriage.
00:09:43.240 | Right?
00:09:44.240 | Either way, you didn't take it to full term.
00:09:47.400 | Right?
00:09:48.400 | Because the purpose of interpretation is for the purpose of application.
00:09:51.420 | Not simply so that we can read it and say, "Well, I know more than you."
00:09:55.040 | Right?
00:09:56.040 | So, the Word of God is what?
00:09:58.100 | It judges the thoughts and intentions of our heart.
00:10:00.800 | Right?
00:10:01.800 | So, the biggest part of understanding the will of God, a lot of times we say, "Well,
00:10:09.200 | does God want me to go here or there?
00:10:10.840 | Does He want me to marry this person or that person?"
00:10:12.960 | And a lot of times we're searching for circumstantial of what does God want me to do?
00:10:18.720 | Does He want me to be a doctor?
00:10:20.320 | Does He want me to go to this school or that school?
00:10:22.360 | Oftentimes, the will of God has a lot to do with why you're doing that.
00:10:26.640 | Right?
00:10:27.680 | Why do you want to marry this guy?
00:10:28.940 | Why do you want to go to this school?
00:10:29.940 | Why do you want to go into that field?
00:10:31.560 | Right?
00:10:32.560 | So, why do you want to do that?
00:10:34.380 | Oftentimes we'll determine if that, you're doing that to honor God or for your own purpose.
00:10:38.600 | So, God doesn't have like, "Well, this person is supposed to be a doctor and that person
00:10:41.880 | is supposed to be a lawyer and this person is supposed to do that."
00:10:44.640 | Right?
00:10:45.640 | So, there's a reason why the Scripture says in Romans 12, 2, "Not to conform but be transformed
00:10:49.840 | by the renewing of your mind.
00:10:51.540 | Then you will be able to test and approve that which is good and perfect will of God."
00:10:55.400 | So, when your mind is renewed according to the Word of God and you're convicted and your
00:11:00.320 | sins are being exposed and you're being sanctified, then you're able to discern your own heart.
00:11:06.560 | Right?
00:11:07.560 | What is right and wrong.
00:11:08.560 | So, the second part of the interpretation is application.
00:11:12.580 | How do we apply the things that we are learning?
00:11:15.400 | Right?
00:11:16.400 | We're not seeking personal opinions, but application of truth.
00:11:22.400 | Right?
00:11:23.400 | How does this affect my life?
00:11:24.720 | What is God saying to me through this passage?
00:11:29.960 | And then again, the danger of not applying that is that there's no spiritual growth.
00:11:35.840 | If you are in the habit of constantly learning and not applying, what does that make you?
00:11:43.960 | It's just like eating, no exercise.
00:11:47.280 | Right?
00:11:49.360 | You keep eating without exercising and you're out of shape.
00:11:52.800 | Right?
00:11:53.800 | That's what happens to somebody who's constantly learning.
00:11:58.240 | Especially if you happen to be going to a church where the Bible is taught on a regular
00:12:03.880 | basis, right, then you probably know more theology than an average person, an average
00:12:10.400 | Christian maybe, outside of a church that doesn't teach the Bible.
00:12:13.760 | And you get a false sense of security that you are more mature than you really are.
00:12:20.280 | Right?
00:12:21.360 | Because what makes you mature is not because you heard the Word of God, but that you heard
00:12:25.360 | it and you applied the Word of God.
00:12:27.160 | So that's the danger.
00:12:28.160 | If all it is is interpretation and hearing, and you're not actively trying to practice
00:12:33.400 | what you're learning, it just makes you a better hypocrite.
00:12:36.240 | So that's the danger of number two.
00:12:39.560 | And then third person, homiletical, spreading the Word to other people.
00:12:43.660 | And that question is, how do I share this with other people?
00:12:47.080 | Right?
00:12:48.080 | Because ultimately the word "gospel," "eugelion," means "good news."
00:12:52.960 | Right?
00:12:54.000 | And the gospel is not just Matthew, Mark, Luke, and John.
00:12:57.240 | It's not just certain passages about Jesus.
00:12:59.480 | The whole Bible ultimately is the gospel.
00:13:01.800 | It's the good news.
00:13:03.600 | Because it is the story of redemption of mankind for His glory.
00:13:08.800 | So the very title of what the Bible means is to tell people.
00:13:15.200 | It's good news.
00:13:16.200 | Right?
00:13:17.200 | But if we're studying it, and we're trying to apply it, and all it is is that you're
00:13:20.960 | just kind of introspective about yourself, but you're not ultimately sharing it, then
00:13:24.800 | again you missed the mark.
00:13:28.600 | So the failure to do this is to fail the mandate to share the good news, the gospel.
00:13:33.740 | The very meaning of what the Scripture is.
00:13:37.240 | Right?
00:13:38.240 | It is meant to be shared.
00:13:40.560 | We are the light in a dark world, so it was meant to be shared.
00:13:44.200 | So everything that we're learning ultimately is meant to be shared.
00:13:51.240 | So these are the three perspectives that we have in interpretation.
00:13:54.640 | First, know what the meaning is.
00:13:56.920 | Second, how does that convict you?
00:13:58.720 | What are applications you need to make?
00:14:00.080 | And third, how do I share this with other people?
00:14:02.480 | So some of you guys may be sitting there thinking, "Well, I'm not a pastor.
00:14:05.040 | I'm not a small group leader, so that doesn't really apply to me."
00:14:08.900 | It applies to everybody.
00:14:09.900 | Right?
00:14:10.900 | When we're talking about sharing, we're not saying that you need to be teaching people.
00:14:15.180 | Right?
00:14:16.180 | Sharing simply means if you've been convicted about something and you share this with somebody
00:14:19.420 | else, right, you don't have to have the title "teacher" to be able to share.
00:14:24.900 | You can share your testimony.
00:14:25.940 | You can share the blessings that you have in the Word of God, certain things that you
00:14:29.620 | learn, and we're able to sharpen each other as a result of it.
00:14:35.180 | Or share the gospel with people.
00:14:37.460 | Right?
00:14:38.540 | This makes a huge difference in if the Word of God, like if the Word of God has become
00:14:43.180 | stale to you, right, eventually it becomes stale.
00:14:46.820 | If you're not in the habit of sharing the things that you are learning, I guarantee
00:14:50.300 | at some point it's going to become stale.
00:14:52.180 | Right?
00:14:53.180 | It's going to become stale.
00:14:55.020 | Even the gospel, no matter how much you tell yourself, "Jesus died for me, Jesus died for
00:14:58.420 | me, Jesus died for me," right, at some point, if you're not in the habit of sharing the
00:15:02.180 | good news with other people, even the gospel will become stale.
00:15:06.220 | Because it was meant to be shared.
00:15:08.020 | Right?
00:15:09.020 | Our sanctification and our love for the Word of God is always in the context of not only
00:15:14.340 | learning, but convicting and sharing all three of these things.
00:15:20.180 | Okay.
00:15:22.580 | Now this part is extremely important.
00:15:24.980 | Again, this is probably a review for a lot of you, but again, I want to make sure that
00:15:30.140 | we understand.
00:15:31.580 | The four different stages of interpretation, and how we interpret the scripture, and it
00:15:37.460 | has to be in this order.
00:15:39.940 | Okay?
00:15:41.100 | So memorize this.
00:15:42.800 | It has to be in this order.
00:15:45.020 | If you start interpretation and how you get doctrine by philosophical theology first,
00:15:51.140 | and you work out backwards, you're going to get all kinds of false doctrines.
00:15:54.440 | And usually that's how false doctrines come about.
00:15:56.780 | Okay?
00:15:57.780 | And I'm going to explain what that means.
00:16:00.180 | It has to follow this order.
00:16:02.700 | So let me just quickly go over it, and then I'm going to dive into it one by one.
00:16:08.820 | Exegesis obviously is a verse by verse study of God's Word.
00:16:13.500 | What does it mean?
00:16:14.900 | Right?
00:16:15.900 | By doing your homework, this is where you get into the Greek, the cultural background,
00:16:21.140 | what is the context, right?
00:16:22.660 | This is where you read the commentaries and figure out what does it mean.
00:16:28.380 | So you have this, you can't have systematic theology.
00:16:32.580 | Okay?
00:16:33.620 | And systematic theology is basically a compiling of information that you gained from exegesis.
00:16:39.620 | Okay?
00:16:40.620 | Did I lose anybody?
00:16:43.220 | Okay, so you understand what I'm saying.
00:16:47.300 | Historical theology is basically theology that was handed down to us in church history.
00:16:52.960 | So the church fathers got together at the church councils, at church meetings, where
00:16:57.620 | they fought and argued based upon scripture, what does the Bible say about Jesus?
00:17:02.820 | What does the Bible say about the Trinity?
00:17:04.300 | What does the Bible say about salvation, the end times?
00:17:06.820 | And so we compare our exegesis, systematic theology, with historical theology.
00:17:12.820 | Right?
00:17:13.820 | I'm going to get into it a little bit more, so if you're confused, I'll come back to it.
00:17:18.380 | Philosophical theology is trying to make sense of what we talked about.
00:17:23.860 | Right?
00:17:25.020 | So I'll get into it a little bit.
00:17:28.460 | We get into trouble when we start with philosophical theology.
00:17:31.660 | Right?
00:17:32.820 | What makes sense?
00:17:34.900 | So let me give you an example.
00:17:39.380 | A philosophical theology may be embracing a theology because it makes the most sense
00:17:44.980 | to you.
00:17:46.780 | And I'll give you a perfect example.
00:17:49.440 | If I try to explain the Trinity to you, okay?
00:17:53.100 | If we had two people up here, and we start debating, which doctrine makes more sense
00:17:57.620 | to you?
00:17:58.620 | A Jehovah Witnesses doctrine of the Trinity, or my doctrine of the Trinity?
00:18:04.100 | Three in one.
00:18:05.100 | Right?
00:18:06.100 | One times one times one equals one.
00:18:08.660 | And they say, "That makes no sense.
00:18:10.220 | It's one plus one plus one equals three.
00:18:13.580 | Jesus is speaking to his Father, you know, it just makes more sense.
00:18:16.620 | And what you're saying doesn't make any sense."
00:18:19.500 | Right?
00:18:20.500 | "That doesn't fit my reality, so therefore, that's not what the Bible teaches."
00:18:24.020 | So if I argued this man without the scripture, which theology would you choose?
00:18:33.420 | Don't say it, because I already know.
00:18:35.660 | Right?
00:18:36.660 | Common sense would tell you that you would probably choose the Jehovah Witness doctrine.
00:18:42.200 | Because that makes sense.
00:18:43.300 | They can explain that.
00:18:44.660 | The doctrine of the Trinity that I'm trying to explain to you, I can't explain it to
00:18:48.340 | you.
00:18:49.340 | It's not explainable.
00:18:50.980 | It's a mystery.
00:18:51.980 | So if I came up here and told you, "Who is Jesus?
00:18:54.220 | He's God."
00:18:55.220 | Well, is he the Son?
00:18:57.740 | Yes.
00:18:58.740 | Is he the Creator?
00:18:59.740 | Yes.
00:19:00.740 | Is he distinct?
00:19:01.740 | Yes.
00:19:02.740 | Are they one?
00:19:03.740 | Yes.
00:19:04.740 | Was he man?
00:19:05.740 | Yes.
00:19:06.740 | Was he 100% God?
00:19:07.740 | Yes.
00:19:08.740 | 100% man?
00:19:09.740 | Yes.
00:19:10.740 | Ah, I reject that.
00:19:11.740 | This guy's crazy.
00:19:12.740 | Right?
00:19:13.740 | So philosophical theology is trying to make sense of what the Bible says.
00:19:16.140 | So if you choose theology based upon what seems to make the most sense to you, before
00:19:21.460 | you do the homework, you're going to end up with all kinds of false doctrine.
00:19:26.100 | If the Word of God is God's Word, we have to first study what does it say.
00:19:32.620 | Right?
00:19:33.620 | What does it say?
00:19:34.620 | Not what makes most sense to you, but what does it say.
00:19:37.420 | Right?
00:19:38.420 | I'm going to jump into it a little bit further.
00:19:42.380 | It's a careful analysis of the text, applying literal historical interpretation of the text,
00:19:47.260 | doing our best to understand the original author's intent of the passage, which we already
00:19:51.700 | talked about.
00:19:54.340 | That's exegesis.
00:19:55.340 | And it always has to start here.
00:19:58.340 | Right?
00:19:59.900 | I had a discussion with somebody years and years ago, when I was a youth pastor.
00:20:06.020 | He graduated high school, and then he ended up going down to UCLA.
00:20:10.780 | And then he started attending this church, and was very anti-charismatic.
00:20:16.060 | And he knows that I'm not a charismatic.
00:20:17.940 | I'm open but cautious, if you know what that means.
00:20:19.980 | But I'm not a, you know, I don't practice the charismatic, because obviously you're
00:20:25.060 | members at this church.
00:20:27.420 | He came back, and he was pounding.
00:20:29.340 | He said, "These charismatics, you know, they're not right with God, they don't know anything
00:20:33.740 | about God."
00:20:34.740 | And he was just going at it.
00:20:36.260 | And he was going at it with not debating with me, but thinking that I would agree with him,
00:20:40.580 | because he knew I wasn't charismatic.
00:20:43.380 | But the concern I had with the way that he was going after the charismatics was, he heard
00:20:50.020 | certain things when he went down there.
00:20:52.020 | And they were very passionate about slamming the charismatics.
00:20:55.980 | Right?
00:20:56.980 | So I asked him, "So why do you believe that?"
00:20:59.580 | And he said, "Well, because the Bible said so."
00:21:02.900 | So I asked him, "Where?
00:21:03.900 | Where in the Bible does it say that?"
00:21:07.380 | And he got kind of caught off guard, because he was like, "Are you charismatic?
00:21:10.460 | Why are you defending them?"
00:21:11.460 | He's like, "I'm not defending the charismatic.
00:21:13.700 | I'm defending the Scripture.
00:21:15.660 | So you're a young guy, you're coming here passionate, you're just like bashing all these
00:21:21.580 | charismatics.
00:21:22.580 | I just want to make sure that you understand where your passion's coming from.
00:21:26.940 | That if it's coming from a conviction of Scripture, or you just happened to find a group that
00:21:31.180 | was passionate about this."
00:21:32.740 | And so I challenged him to look through the Scripture.
00:21:35.460 | So he came up with a couple of verses, and I said, "Are you sure that's what it says?"
00:21:38.300 | Then I played the devil's advocate, and it took no more than a minute and a half to destroy
00:21:43.740 | his argument.
00:21:45.100 | And so I was trying to get to my point.
00:21:46.860 | My point was, if you come to a conclusion of a doctrine the way you came to a conclusion,
00:21:54.300 | this is what causes divisions in the Church.
00:21:57.380 | This is what causes self-righteousness and pride.
00:22:00.860 | And you are absolutely convinced that you are right.
00:22:02.980 | And I'm not saying that you're wrong.
00:22:05.260 | But the way you came to that conclusion is wrong.
00:22:08.320 | You got passionate because you found somebody that you really respected, and he came out
00:22:12.620 | very strong.
00:22:13.620 | And so you said, "Oh, that sounds right."
00:22:14.860 | And so now you became this anti-charismatic.
00:22:18.220 | So I was trying to caution him, "Don't come to conclusions that way.
00:22:23.300 | You're just kind of hysterical.
00:22:24.700 | You just have a mob mentality.
00:22:26.300 | And so any wind of doctrine that comes in that seems to be right, and certain people
00:22:31.300 | that you respect can cling to that, then you're going to end up just jumping onto the same
00:22:36.380 | boat."
00:22:37.380 | And that's a very dangerous way to come to convictions.
00:22:40.700 | So first and foremost, you have to do your study.
00:22:44.780 | If you're going to say, "This is what I believe," make sure you're able to back it up by passages.
00:22:50.340 | Not by people, not by anything else, but where in the Bible did you get this conviction?
00:22:58.420 | Systematic theology, you can't have a systematic theology if you didn't do the exegesis.
00:23:05.380 | So if I asked you, "What are your views about the end times?"
00:23:09.860 | And I run into people all the time that say, "Oh, I'm a dispensationist, or I'm a covenant
00:23:13.900 | theology, or I believe in pre-trib, post-trib, I'm a millennial."
00:23:17.780 | And they'll throw all these terms, and I'll ask them, "Where did you get that?"
00:23:21.420 | And they'll say, "Well, I learned it in catechism, I learned it in school, and I went to seminary,
00:23:28.100 | or…"
00:23:29.100 | They'll mention all these things, "I read this book, and this guy, the Anabaptists,
00:23:32.380 | believed this, or Zwingli believed that," and they'll throw all these terms around.
00:23:35.180 | I say, "That's not what I asked you.
00:23:37.220 | I asked where in the Bible, what passage were you studying, and which passages were you
00:23:42.660 | studying that caused you to see that that made more sense to you?"
00:23:48.460 | So if you come to a conclusion on that subject just because, "You know what?
00:23:52.620 | That makes more sense to me, that Jesus would come back once instead of several times, or
00:23:57.260 | that he would be pre-trib, because it just makes sense that the Church wouldn't go through
00:24:00.660 | the Tribulation, or the Church would go through Tribulation, that makes more sense to me."
00:24:05.580 | It's not just not wise, it's dangerous if you come to conclusions like that, because
00:24:10.580 | that's how false doctrine comes into the Church.
00:24:13.620 | You can live your whole life thinking that you are doctrinally correct, without ever
00:24:18.080 | really being doctrinally correct, if that's the way you come to conclusions.
00:24:22.460 | So systematic theology is a collection, right?
00:24:27.820 | So if you're not diligently—and again, I say this with utmost caution—if you are
00:24:34.980 | not diligently studying the Bible, do not be strong in the doctrinal convictions that
00:24:41.740 | you have.
00:24:43.700 | You can't be.
00:24:45.620 | Right?
00:24:47.020 | You can't be.
00:24:48.320 | How did you come to that conclusion?
00:24:50.940 | If you're not studying the Word of God carefully, it's just your prejudice.
00:24:55.820 | What sounded right to you, right?
00:24:59.020 | Or certain people that you trust.
00:25:01.220 | So that's not a wise way to come to a conclusion.
00:25:04.660 | So systematic theology.
00:25:05.660 | So an example of systematic theology would be God's nature.
00:25:11.620 | So if you say, "Oh no, God is love, love, love."
00:25:14.060 | I say, "No, God's Bible also says that God is holy, holy, holy.
00:25:17.340 | He is omnipotent, omnipresent.
00:25:19.740 | He is immutable."
00:25:20.900 | So there's all kinds of things about God that the Bible teaches.
00:25:24.260 | But if you say, "Oh, I grew up in a church where all I heard was, 'God is love, love,
00:25:29.260 | love.'
00:25:30.260 | Or maybe you went to a church where all you heard was, 'God is holy, holy, holy.'"
00:25:34.300 | And your doctrine of who God is, is not systematic theology, but just prejudice.
00:25:41.220 | So there are certain things that you can't come to a conclusion by just one verse.
00:25:47.140 | Or even one book.
00:25:49.260 | Systematic theology is a collection of careful study of the Word of God, which collectively
00:25:54.780 | points to something.
00:25:55.780 | And that's where we get the doctrine of Trinity.
00:25:59.660 | Doctrine of Trinity was a doctrine that I had such a hard time with when I was a young
00:26:05.620 | Christian.
00:26:06.620 | Every Bible study I had, I asked them, "Explain the Trinity to me."
00:26:09.980 | And they tried all these illustrations.
00:26:12.580 | And after they would give me their best illustration, they would always conclude by saying, "But
00:26:18.300 | it's not like that."
00:26:19.780 | Right?
00:26:20.780 | "It's kind of like the water."
00:26:22.900 | "It's like the ice.
00:26:25.200 | It's like vapor."
00:26:26.560 | You know?
00:26:27.560 | What else did I miss?
00:26:28.560 | Did I say water?
00:26:30.420 | Water, ice, and vapor, right?
00:26:32.700 | So it's like three different elements.
00:26:35.020 | And then they would tell me, "It's kind of like that."
00:26:37.800 | I was like, "Oh, okay, I get it."
00:26:39.740 | And then they would say, "But it's not like that."
00:26:42.140 | I go, "What?"
00:26:44.220 | So I would say, "Okay, maybe he's not smart enough, or he doesn't know the Bible enough."
00:26:48.980 | So I would go ask my professors, because I was a Bible major at Biola.
00:26:52.980 | And every professor I asked would always give me, "It's kind of like this, but it's not."
00:26:59.260 | And then I realized, like, how can I believe in a God that I can't even explain?
00:27:04.980 | How do I come to worship a God that I can't even comprehend in my head?
00:27:09.660 | It was so vague.
00:27:11.220 | Right?
00:27:12.220 | Well, the way that I came to conclusion and conviction of the Doctrine of Trinity was
00:27:18.620 | not from reading books or from talking to people, because the more I talked to people,
00:27:24.380 | the more frustrated I got.
00:27:25.620 | I was firmly convinced that this was God's Word.
00:27:28.420 | And I'm not going to explain to you how I came to that conclusion.
00:27:32.820 | But I was absolutely convinced that this was God's Word.
00:27:35.700 | Right?
00:27:36.700 | Apologetics, the internal evidence, the Word of God itself.
00:27:39.740 | But once I was convinced that that was God's Word, I began to study it systematically.
00:27:43.980 | So it wasn't something that just all of a sudden I got.
00:27:46.780 | The more I started to study systematically, the more I began to see that's exactly what
00:27:51.420 | the Bible teaches.
00:27:53.380 | Jesus Christ is very distinct, but He says He is one.
00:27:56.740 | Right?
00:27:57.740 | He says He is I Am, yet He is praise to the Father.
00:28:00.600 | So I realized the Doctrine of Trinity came from a careful study of what the Word of God
00:28:06.980 | says.
00:28:07.980 | And that's exactly what the Bible says.
00:28:10.060 | They didn't try to package it.
00:28:12.100 | They didn't try to, in fact, in the early church, one of the first things that the early
00:28:16.180 | church debated was there was this guy named Arius who was saying that Jesus Christ was
00:28:21.500 | a created being and He wasn't eternal.
00:28:25.020 | And so he was so charismatic and influential, he almost had the whole church convinced.
00:28:30.260 | Right?
00:28:31.320 | And this man named Athanasius who started, who was arguing, that's not what the Bible
00:28:36.380 | says.
00:28:37.380 | The Bible says, again, if I lose you, I lose you.
00:28:42.420 | Council of Carthage where the church made an official stand in saying this is the final
00:28:46.620 | canon didn't happen until the Council of Carthage at 386.
00:28:50.780 | He was arguing this in the early 300s, 315, 310.
00:28:55.940 | And so I was convinced that they had the authoritative Word of God and Athanasius was arguing from
00:29:01.820 | God's inerrant Word.
00:29:03.780 | And that was the only way that he was able to convince the church that the doctrine of
00:29:07.620 | Trinity was the right doctrine.
00:29:09.620 | Does that make any sense?
00:29:12.080 | Because without the Word of God, if he didn't have the authority of the Word of God, there
00:29:15.300 | is no way that he could have argued against Arius and convinced the whole church that
00:29:20.220 | almost, almost universally went over to that doctrine.
00:29:25.020 | Because that makes more sense.
00:29:27.220 | That Jesus Christ is the Son and not the Father.
00:29:30.020 | Right?
00:29:31.020 | See, they're all distinct, three different people, kind of like I'm the Father, Esther's
00:29:34.860 | the Mother, my son's the Son, you know, but we're all Kims.
00:29:40.220 | Right?
00:29:41.220 | Right?
00:29:42.220 | Which we call as a false doctrine of tritheism.
00:29:45.060 | Or I'm the Father, I'm also the Son for my mom, and I'm the pastor.
00:29:51.180 | I forgot what the other one is, but I'm the same person.
00:29:56.100 | That's modalism.
00:29:57.100 | That's not what the Bible teaches.
00:29:58.700 | Right?
00:29:59.700 | So the only way the doctrine of Trinity that you and I have today was able to be argued
00:30:07.700 | authoritatively is because he had the canon.
00:30:10.860 | He had the authoritative Word of God that was passed down.
00:30:13.820 | It just wasn't given the official stamp later on until the Council of Carthage.
00:30:18.940 | Okay?
00:30:19.940 | Not all of that.
00:30:20.940 | If it went over your head, just went over your head.
00:30:23.740 | But the point that I'm trying to make is systematic theology has to come from exegesis.
00:30:30.980 | Right?
00:30:32.340 | It cannot come from your prejudice.
00:30:34.140 | It cannot come from what makes sense or what doesn't make sense.
00:30:36.600 | So when you do enough systematic exegesis and do careful study of the Word of God, it
00:30:42.260 | will cause you to have a better systematic theology.
00:30:45.280 | So whatever you believe, I believe in the Trinity, I believe in the End Times, I believe
00:30:48.820 | about the nature of God, what the Gospel, what the Bible says about the Gospel, it has
00:30:53.580 | to come from your diligent study of God's Word.
00:30:56.820 | Right?
00:30:57.820 | The whole point of the Reformation was to get the Bible to you.
00:31:03.100 | Because the Church kept on saying, "You're not smart enough to interpret the Bible for
00:31:07.100 | yourself, so trust me."
00:31:09.140 | So you had these priests who went and they studied it and they taught the Word of God.
00:31:14.260 | They wouldn't allow it to be interpreted into common man's language, so you had to speak
00:31:18.580 | Latin.
00:31:19.940 | And even if you did speak Latin, you had to have special permission even to touch it.
00:31:23.580 | And anybody who tried to interpret it ended up getting executed.
00:31:27.420 | So the whole Reformation was all of this corruption and bad doctrine came in because they wouldn't
00:31:33.820 | let us have the Word of God.
00:31:35.680 | So the real point of the Reformation was to get the Bible to everybody.
00:31:40.220 | Right?
00:31:41.280 | So that more people can examine the Word of God collectively, so that whatever doctrines
00:31:46.060 | that we hold onto is coming from a collective study of the Word of God.
00:31:50.500 | That's systematic theology.
00:31:52.020 | Right?
00:31:53.180 | So again, I want to caution you.
00:31:55.660 | If you're not in the habit of systematically studying the Bible, do not sit and argue with
00:32:00.980 | people about secondary doctrines.
00:32:03.940 | Okay?
00:32:04.940 | Does that make any sense?
00:32:07.820 | Right?
00:32:08.980 | Because if you do that, you're going to end up arguing your prejudice rather than Scripture.
00:32:15.300 | So I'm not saying that if you're not doing it now, right?
00:32:18.500 | But if the conclusions that you came to is just because you happened to go to a certain
00:32:22.540 | church, or you read certain books, or you heard certain sermons, right?
00:32:27.420 | I would strongly encourage you to get in the habit of studying the Bible systematically
00:32:32.060 | first.
00:32:33.860 | Okay?
00:32:35.460 | Historical theology is once you've come to the conclusion of exegesis, systematic theology,
00:32:42.940 | historical theology is, the Bible is not new.
00:32:46.580 | We've had it for 2,000 years.
00:32:47.940 | So the church fathers, these PhDs in theology, they've argued, struggled.
00:32:53.980 | People have given their lives to stand up for certain doctrines.
00:32:57.420 | So it's not wise for us to ignore church history.
00:33:01.500 | Right?
00:33:02.500 | So historical theology basically is, what are the theologies that were passed down to
00:33:06.060 | us?
00:33:07.060 | Right?
00:33:08.060 | What did they argue?
00:33:09.060 | What are some of the doctrinal statements that we have?
00:33:11.300 | The Apostles' Creed, the Westminster Confession of Faith, the Baptist Confession.
00:33:16.780 | All of these confessions are things that we compare with, right?
00:33:21.180 | In light of the study, doctrines, systematic theology, and then we compare it with what
00:33:26.540 | they say.
00:33:27.540 | So there is no doctrine that I'm aware of that has not been at one point argued in church
00:33:31.980 | history.
00:33:32.980 | So, historical theology, right?
00:33:36.180 | Now the danger of starting at this point, if you grew up in a Presbyterian church, you're
00:33:41.020 | a Presbyterian the rest of your life.
00:33:43.740 | You know?
00:33:44.740 | Not because you know what you believe, because that's what you're told.
00:33:47.660 | Right?
00:33:48.660 | In fact, I know people who go to a Presbyterian church who are taught that if you marry anybody
00:33:54.180 | but a Presbyterian, you're compromising.
00:33:56.620 | Right?
00:33:57.620 | And so they can't marry a Baptist, they can't marry anybody else, and you ask them why,
00:34:01.940 | because my pastor told me.
00:34:03.580 | Right?
00:34:04.580 | Same thing with Baptists.
00:34:05.700 | I've met, you know, I was actually invited to a church in the Valley when they found
00:34:09.420 | out I'm a Baptist, the church said, "He can't come."
00:34:12.660 | Right?
00:34:13.660 | And I asked them why, and they couldn't give me an explanation other than the fact that
00:34:15.820 | I'm a Baptist.
00:34:16.820 | Right?
00:34:17.820 | Anyway, that's personal.
00:34:21.940 | So historical theology is, we don't start there, but it's wise to compare.
00:34:28.300 | Right?
00:34:29.300 | Wise to see what doctrines were argued and how they argued it and what passages they
00:34:32.900 | used.
00:34:33.900 | Right?
00:34:34.900 | Different periods of church history emphasize certain doctrines over others.
00:34:40.140 | So if you happen to be reading a lot of stuff that was written during the Reformation, what
00:34:47.580 | do you think was the primary thing that they were concerned about during the Reformation?
00:34:54.980 | What is a doctrine that they were arguing a lot about during the Reformation?
00:34:59.460 | Huh?
00:35:00.460 | >> Scripture, faith, and salvation.
00:35:03.140 | >> Right.
00:35:04.140 | That's basically what the Reformation was.
00:35:05.780 | They were arguing against the Catholic Church that they were wrong.
00:35:09.300 | Right?
00:35:10.300 | Right doctrine of salvation, you know, Scripture, right view of Scripture, justification by
00:35:15.180 | faith, right?
00:35:17.940 | Not by works.
00:35:18.940 | And so that was the predominant thing that they were concerned about.
00:35:22.420 | If you go back in earlier church history, the first 700 years of church history, what
00:35:29.740 | do you think was the greatest doctrine that they wrestled over and discussed?
00:35:33.740 | Every time they had a church council, they discussed this one subject.
00:35:39.260 | And almost for 700 years they did this.
00:35:42.820 | Take a guess.
00:35:43.820 | I think you can guess.
00:35:46.820 | No?
00:35:50.020 | You can't guess?
00:35:52.780 | What do you think would have been the most important argument and discussion that they
00:36:01.180 | had for the first 700 years of church history?
00:36:05.740 | Christology.
00:36:08.420 | Right?
00:36:09.820 | Doctrine of Christ.
00:36:11.620 | Because the Bible taught and Jesus said certain things that they couldn't comprehend.
00:36:16.300 | And so they were constantly arguing and discussing and wrestling over Scripture.
00:36:20.060 | So if there's any one doctrine that has been just pounded and searched, every word dissected,
00:36:25.940 | it was Christology, the nature of who Jesus is.
00:36:29.060 | Right?
00:36:30.060 | So if you go back to church history, and you'll see divisions between the Catholic
00:36:33.980 | Church, the Nestorian, the Coptic Church, and you'll see all these divisions in the
00:36:38.860 | church.
00:36:39.860 | And if you go back into church history and find out what doctrine separated them, it
00:36:44.340 | usually was the doctrine of Christ.
00:36:47.580 | That they were either one group was a modalist or a tritheist or Jesus was an eternal or
00:36:53.020 | he was kind of a gnostic figure.
00:36:54.820 | So the first 700 years, they combed through every part of Scripture to debate this doctrine.
00:37:00.980 | So it's beneficial for us.
00:37:02.700 | So the doctrine that we have of Christ came from hundreds, even thousands of years of
00:37:07.820 | combing through every word, every verse.
00:37:10.740 | So for us to come and think like, "Oh, I found something new that they didn't find
00:37:13.540 | for 2000 years," is probably, you know, a little bit prideful.
00:37:17.300 | They probably argued it.
00:37:18.740 | Right?
00:37:19.740 | In fact, when I was in Seminary, I was amazed.
00:37:24.100 | I went and did a paper on, I don't know if you guys know, in Genesis chapter 6, they
00:37:31.700 | had the Nephilim.
00:37:32.700 | Okay, so you guys know, you know who the Nephilims are, right?
00:37:37.300 | Okay, some of you know who the Nephilims are.
00:37:39.700 | So I did just an obscure group of people that are mentioned in the book of Genesis.
00:37:44.980 | And so I decided to do a paper on this.
00:37:47.100 | And as soon as I decided to do this paper, I regretted it.
00:37:51.580 | Because I thought, "How am I going to get material on this subject?
00:37:56.660 | Who cares?"
00:37:57.660 | You know, that's what I, I just picked it because that just seemed like, you know, I'm
00:38:01.380 | just curious, who are these people?
00:38:03.740 | So once I started doing the paper, I had to go to Fuller Seminary, and I have to go to
00:38:08.780 | Cal State Fullerton, all these major book libraries, even the secular libraries, to
00:38:14.140 | see if there's any material on the subject.
00:38:16.800 | So the first school that I went to was Cal State Fullerton.
00:38:19.860 | Because they have a storage of a lot of ancient theological, like, materials in that library.
00:38:27.100 | Which is surprising to me, because it's a secular university, but they have it.
00:38:30.420 | So I went there thinking, like, "Okay, maybe I'll find a couple chapters."
00:38:34.700 | So I went and looked up the Nephilims, and I found a whole wall.
00:38:40.340 | Like, a whole wall of people writing about this subject, right?
00:38:47.860 | And the conclusion was, they didn't know.
00:38:49.640 | That was the end conclusion, right?
00:38:51.580 | So I spent two months researching on the Nephilims, but you know what I learned from that was,
00:38:57.860 | for 2,000 years, there were people like me, who were much smarter, and had much more anal
00:39:04.780 | than me, who actually spent and did PhDs and doctoral papers on this subject, and they
00:39:12.380 | will give you 15 different views of how this was argued for 2,000 years, and the end conclusion
00:39:18.940 | was nobody knows for sure.
00:39:22.780 | They're making an educated guess.
00:39:24.540 | So what I learned from that was, every part of scripture has been dissected and argued
00:39:30.260 | and studied.
00:39:31.980 | So there's nothing that we're studying that's just uniquely us.
00:39:34.820 | So the point that I'm getting at is that for 2,000 years, the Word of God has been tested
00:39:40.020 | and dissected and argued.
00:39:42.700 | And so the doctrines that you and I have today didn't just come to us.
00:39:47.260 | It wasn't just some guy 40 years ago who all of a sudden discovers something new.
00:39:51.220 | So whenever somebody says, "I have something new that they didn't know for 2,000 years,"
00:39:55.340 | run.
00:39:56.340 | You know what I mean?
00:39:57.580 | Because that's probably not true.
00:39:58.880 | That's usually how bad doctrines come from.
00:40:01.100 | So that's where we get historical theology.
00:40:05.340 | Philosophical theology is what I mentioned is, how do you make sense?
00:40:09.740 | Philosophical theology is when we apply philosophical reasoning to help us to better apply what
00:40:13.820 | we've learned from exegesis, systematic theology and historical theology.
00:40:17.420 | So I'll just give you an example of, because the way I wrestled with the doctrine of Trinity,
00:40:24.380 | it came from my study of the Word of God.
00:40:27.580 | And then when I started to get a broader understanding of the scripture, I began to realize it does
00:40:34.220 | teach the doctrine of Trinity.
00:40:36.960 | So I used to shake in my boots every time a Jehovah Witness would come because their
00:40:42.700 | doctrine made more sense to me, until I knew what the Word of God says.
00:40:46.380 | And then now I go to the Word of God and it just, they hit a wall.
00:40:50.180 | Right?
00:40:51.180 | If we're talking philosophically, they make more sense.
00:40:54.180 | But as soon as we open up the Bible, they hit a wall because there's a bunch of passages
00:40:57.580 | that they can't explain.
00:41:00.380 | The way I came to this conclusion is, the Bible clearly teaches this.
00:41:04.300 | When you collectively see it systematically, it teaches the doctrine of Trinity.
00:41:07.800 | When you look at the doctrine of Trinity in church history, it was universally accepted,
00:41:12.940 | right?
00:41:14.380 | As far as the mainstream is concerned.
00:41:16.260 | And so how do I make sense of this?
00:41:18.300 | Which is what I was struggling with.
00:41:20.700 | How can I embrace a doctrine that I can't even explain, my professors can't explain
00:41:24.180 | to me?
00:41:25.260 | So philosophically, so I've already concluded that that's what the Bible teaches.
00:41:28.740 | And that's what the church historians have told me already, confirmed for me.
00:41:34.300 | So how do I make sense of this doctrine of Trinity?
00:41:37.500 | And this is, again, this is the way I wrestled with it.
00:41:41.460 | If God created me, it would make sense that God will always remain a mystery to a certain
00:41:49.140 | degree.
00:41:50.140 | Right?
00:41:51.140 | And it would only make sense to me that I can't explain to you perfectly who He is.
00:41:56.120 | Just like my children can't explain perfectly who I am.
00:41:59.340 | Right?
00:42:00.340 | I know a lot more about them than they know about me.
00:42:02.540 | Right?
00:42:03.540 | Because I raised them.
00:42:05.540 | Right?
00:42:06.540 | And they know a lot about me that they don't know.
00:42:08.260 | Because they showed up in my life when I was 30.
00:42:11.340 | So there's 30 years of my life they haven't seen.
00:42:13.100 | And then they weren't conscious until they were, what, 15?
00:42:15.340 | So that's like, so 45.
00:42:18.340 | Right?
00:42:19.340 | So 45 years they don't know.
00:42:21.740 | Right?
00:42:22.740 | They only know the last 4 or 5 years.
00:42:25.780 | So it made sense to me.
00:42:26.860 | So if God created me, if God created me, it makes sense that there's an aspect of God
00:42:33.400 | that I can't fully comprehend.
00:42:34.900 | I'm already convinced that's God's Word.
00:42:37.460 | And so here's the way I reconcile that in my head.
00:42:41.660 | Again, this isn't, this is just philosophical.
00:42:46.540 | Right?
00:42:47.540 | If I told you, and let's say we don't have the word beautiful.
00:42:53.260 | And we don't have anything even close to that.
00:42:55.180 | Right?
00:42:56.180 | You know how there are certain things that, you know, a lot of you guys who are, or a
00:42:59.900 | lot of you guys at least bilingual enough, where you know that there are certain words
00:43:03.100 | that you cannot translate.
00:43:04.980 | Right?
00:43:05.980 | You can't translate.
00:43:06.980 | So I'm bilingual in Korean and English, so there's a word in Korean that I can't translate,
00:43:12.460 | and this word is "hankehae."
00:43:14.660 | Okay?
00:43:15.660 | Anybody know what that word means?
00:43:17.100 | Okay, maybe one person, okay?
00:43:20.900 | That word is uniquely Korean.
00:43:23.500 | And you kind of have to grow up in the culture, and some of you guys, I'm guessing most of
00:43:27.180 | you guys probably don't know either.
00:43:28.940 | Right?
00:43:29.940 | Because it took me a while to figure that out as well.
00:43:32.860 | That's a word that if you don't know the culture, you don't know how it's being used, you don't
00:43:37.300 | know in what context it's being used, that there is not a word, there's no phrase that
00:43:42.260 | I can use in English to convey to you the meaning of that word.
00:43:46.180 | Right?
00:43:47.180 | So the only way that I can convey this to you is to use something like it.
00:43:52.580 | It's kind of like, it's something good.
00:43:55.540 | It's not bad, it's good.
00:43:57.700 | It's kind of nostalgic.
00:44:00.080 | It's kind of like spring.
00:44:07.140 | Like after the rain, or you eat something tasty, and you get this warm, fuzzy feeling.
00:44:14.500 | So that's the best way I can explain to you what that word means, because it's a very
00:44:18.540 | cultural word.
00:44:19.780 | So you're going to have to go by how I explained it to you, because you're limited by what
00:44:26.460 | you're able to understand based upon your culture and your language and your limitation.
00:44:31.900 | So when I'm trying to explain to you something that I know because of that culture, I have
00:44:36.140 | to, I have, I am limited by your limitation of how I can explain this to you.
00:44:41.060 | Does that make sense?
00:44:43.700 | So when we talk about the things of God, there's things where we say, well God is sovereign,
00:44:49.580 | yet God says we're responsible.
00:44:52.460 | God created us, and yet when Adam and Eve sinned, even though He's omniscient, they
00:44:57.300 | were punished.
00:44:58.860 | So there's aspects of what the Word of God teaches that doesn't completely make sense
00:45:03.220 | to me, right?
00:45:05.680 | But the fact that it doesn't make sense to me, makes sense to me, to a certain degree,
00:45:11.900 | because I'm trying to comprehend the things of God.
00:45:15.520 | So my conclusion was, obviously the philosophical theology is doing my best to try to understand
00:45:21.780 | something that can't be completely understood.
00:45:24.720 | But is that okay?
00:45:25.720 | Is that tension okay?
00:45:27.540 | And I, my conclusion was, not only was it okay, it makes sense that there's tension.
00:45:34.300 | If there wasn't tension, I would be suspect, right?
00:45:38.080 | I would be suspect.
00:45:39.080 | Now again, that may, that may seem like a lot of, you know, circular reasoning, but
00:45:43.900 | it makes perfect sense to me, right?
00:45:47.180 | But at the end of the day, God, the doctrines of the scripture are not written for the purpose
00:45:52.860 | of your knowledge of everything about God.
00:45:56.300 | The doctrine, the scripture was written for the purpose of our salvation, to reveal to
00:46:00.460 | us.
00:46:01.460 | So you see, exactly, when I tell my children about myself, I'm trying to tell them for
00:46:05.900 | a particular reason.
00:46:06.900 | Let's say I'm in the context of instructing them why you should choose this major over
00:46:10.940 | that major, and I'm explaining to them about my experience, what I went through, and why
00:46:16.480 | I'm giving you this advice.
00:46:19.180 | I'm not explaining to him everything about who I am.
00:46:23.100 | I'm explaining who I'm revealing myself to him, because I have a specific purpose of
00:46:27.700 | why I need him to understand that, so that he can go a certain direction.
00:46:33.100 | Scripture was given to us for the purpose of salvation, to reveal to us who he is, and
00:46:38.620 | to draw sinners to himself.
00:46:40.540 | So when he talks about the doctrine of sovereignty, he's not telling us how it works.
00:46:47.600 | He's not telling us God's predestination, so let me tell you how it works.
00:46:50.880 | So get out your calculator, you know, and we're going to make a graph, and you're going
00:46:53.820 | to figure out how this works.
00:46:55.180 | When he talks about the doctrine of sovereignty and predestination, all he is saying is, "Trust
00:47:00.840 | me."
00:47:01.840 | That's what he's saying.
00:47:03.960 | I am sovereign God.
00:47:05.640 | Nothing happens outside of my knowledge and my power.
00:47:08.040 | There's, "Have I not said it?"
00:47:09.880 | "Shall I not do it?"
00:47:12.280 | So basically he's telling his people, "When I tell you to jump, you jump, because I'm
00:47:15.720 | a sovereign God.
00:47:16.720 | I predestined this."
00:47:18.320 | So there's a purpose of why he's saying it.
00:47:20.080 | He's not saying it so that we can understand the intricacies of how predestination works,
00:47:25.200 | which we get caught up in.
00:47:26.360 | Right?
00:47:27.360 | And so I'm not saying that we shouldn't be curious or ask questions.
00:47:31.040 | But philosophical theology is basically us trying to comprehend what was revealed in
00:47:35.560 | Scripture.
00:47:36.560 | So certain things are going to make sense, certain things may not make sense.
00:47:38.920 | But if you start, if you study the Board of God and you come to a doctrinal position based
00:47:44.600 | upon this, you will be a Jehovah Witness if you have the courage enough to be one.
00:47:51.240 | Because it makes more sense, philosophically.
00:47:54.040 | But if you are a Biblicist, where you are studying the doctrine carefully, there are
00:47:57.760 | certain things that you're not going to be able to comprehend.
00:48:00.320 | Right?
00:48:01.320 | So certain positions that I take, whether it is about women in ministry or homosexuality,
00:48:07.240 | that these are positions not based upon what I think makes the most sense, or what is going
00:48:12.800 | to make the most sense to the world, but what does the Bible say.
00:48:17.240 | Which will always make us unpopular.
00:48:20.440 | Because if they don't acknowledge the Word of God as with authority, and we're saying
00:48:25.560 | the only reason why I believe that is because the Word of God says so, then they're going
00:48:30.120 | to reject us.
00:48:31.520 | Right?
00:48:32.600 | Because they don't give the same authority that it has.
00:48:35.080 | So it doesn't make sense that our doctrines are always going to be acceptable to the world.
00:48:40.480 | They won't be.
00:48:41.480 | There are certain things that God says because He's pointing out sin to the world, so they
00:48:44.760 | will repent and come back to them.
00:48:46.680 | Right?
00:48:47.680 | Alright, so again, I'm not going to—I went through most of my time talking about this.
00:48:52.480 | I'm going to go through the other one real quick.
00:48:54.400 | So absolutely essential.
00:48:58.880 | It needs to be in this order.
00:49:01.360 | Exegesis, systematic theology, historical theology, philosophical theology.
00:49:05.960 | I would encourage you to memorize this, so that whenever you get into this discussion
00:49:11.400 | with people who are not basing it on Scripture, you remember.
00:49:15.400 | Okay, I'm not arguing exegesis, I'm just arguing philosophically.
00:49:18.800 | Okay?
00:49:19.800 | The other part I'm just going to skim through.
00:49:24.280 | Okay?
00:49:25.360 | If you're studying the Bible, you have to—these are all different contexts.
00:49:29.220 | You have the passage you're looking at, what is the immediate context?
00:49:32.480 | This is kind of like the paragraph, right?
00:49:35.200 | And then the next section is the larger section, kind of like we're studying the Book of Romans,
00:49:39.520 | right?
00:49:40.520 | And as an example, Romans chapter 7, verse 13 to 25, that's the passage.
00:49:45.040 | What does it mean?
00:49:46.040 | Well, when you compare it with the immediate context, which is earlier chapter 7, chapter
00:49:52.040 | 6, and chapter 8, so you have to view this passage in light of the larger context.
00:49:57.400 | And then this larger context, well, what is Paul saying in the larger, major section?
00:50:01.860 | So in chapters 1 through 7, Paul is arguing, "All have sinned and fall short of the glory
00:50:06.580 | of God."
00:50:07.580 | He's trying to reveal sin in order to bring chapter 8, "Oh, what a wretched man that I
00:50:12.340 | am, but thanks be to God, what the law could not do, weakened by the sinful flesh, God
00:50:17.460 | did by sending His Son in the Spirit."
00:50:20.340 | So he gives deliverance in chapter 8.
00:50:22.280 | So the larger section, right?
00:50:24.880 | So Romans chapter 7, in the immediate section of chapters 6 and 8, larger section of chapter
00:50:31.160 | 1 through 7, and then the book in Romans where the gospel is being taught, first 11 chapters
00:50:39.120 | of doctrine of the gospel, and then chapter 12 through 16, talking about, "Therefore,
00:50:45.720 | present your body in view of the mercy of God, in view of everything that you've been
00:50:49.480 | taught, how you ought to apply all of this."
00:50:52.040 | Chapter 12 through 16.
00:50:53.240 | So that's the book, the gospel message in totality, right?
00:50:57.640 | So whenever I study that passage, I have to have that in mind.
00:51:01.300 | But it goes even further than that, right?
00:51:03.360 | So when we look at the things that Paul said in Romans, how does Paul use the word "law"
00:51:08.720 | in his other books?
00:51:10.720 | When he says the word "love," what does he mean by that?
00:51:13.200 | How does he use that word, right?
00:51:15.120 | So there are certain things that I may say, if you know who I am, may mean something different,
00:51:20.640 | right?
00:51:21.640 | I never use the word "bomb."
00:51:24.120 | I'm not from that generation.
00:51:25.480 | So if I say "bomb," I probably mean, "Get out of this sanctuary."
00:51:29.600 | That's what I mean, right?
00:51:31.400 | So if somebody much younger said it, it may mean, "It's cool."
00:51:34.680 | So you have to understand how that person uses that word.
00:51:38.060 | So that's the larger context of the writer, right?
00:51:41.200 | Who is he?
00:51:42.200 | What kind of language does he use?
00:51:43.580 | So that's the larger context.
00:51:44.760 | And then the context outside of that is the New Testament.
00:51:48.380 | So you have the Old Testament and New Testament.
00:51:50.000 | You have the Old Covenant and the New Covenant.
00:51:52.360 | So depending on what passage or what book you're looking at, you're going to have different
00:51:57.800 | covenants.
00:51:59.320 | So how the Bible talks about the people of God sounds very different in the Old Testament
00:52:04.480 | versus the New Testament, right?
00:52:06.920 | How we understand the law, at least in view, where the law came to bring you to sin, and
00:52:12.120 | then law brought you to sin, and then now we have the law of Christ.
00:52:16.460 | So we have a New Testament context and an Old Testament context.
00:52:20.360 | And then the larger part of that in the Bible, right, the context of the Bible is, what is
00:52:27.000 | the whole theme of the Bible?
00:52:34.520 | Redemptive history.
00:52:35.520 | What we call the meta-narrative, the larger narrative, right?
00:52:39.600 | So the whole narrative of the Bible from Genesis to Revelation is a holy God seeking His glory
00:52:47.940 | by redeeming sinful man.
00:52:50.340 | That's the whole theme, right?
00:52:52.740 | So there is not a single book that's going to be written that is going to be contradicting
00:52:57.540 | that theme.
00:52:58.540 | Because God doesn't lie.
00:52:59.900 | He doesn't contradict Himself.
00:53:01.700 | So whatever study you're doing, you have to see it in the context of the larger picture.
00:53:06.580 | So let me give you an example of that.
00:53:08.360 | The book of Jonah, right?
00:53:10.540 | What is the purpose of the book of Jonah?
00:53:13.820 | Don't mess with God or you get swallowed up by a whale.
00:53:18.260 | Right?
00:53:19.620 | Is that the message?
00:53:21.440 | You can say, yeah, don't mess with God.
00:53:23.060 | God's a sovereign God.
00:53:24.060 | I mean, you can get, you know, small lessons from that.
00:53:26.940 | But what's the point?
00:53:27.940 | Why does He put that in this random story, right?
00:53:32.180 | And it's not even about Israel.
00:53:33.580 | It's about, you know, a Jewish prophet who doesn't want to go to these Ninevites who
00:53:39.760 | in the long scheme of things, they're going to be judged and disappear.
00:53:43.780 | Why is that in the Bible?
00:53:46.720 | Right?
00:53:47.720 | Well, if you look at the, if you study that book with the context of understanding in
00:53:53.240 | God's redemptive history, God called the nation of Israel to be what?
00:53:58.400 | A royal priesthood.
00:53:59.640 | A holy nation.
00:54:00.920 | To declare His glory.
00:54:02.920 | Right?
00:54:03.920 | He calls Jonah, and He tells him to go, and Jonah doesn't want to go.
00:54:09.040 | And why is he protesting?
00:54:10.680 | Because he doesn't want them to be saved.
00:54:12.880 | He gets angry when they get saved.
00:54:15.720 | And then how does the book end?
00:54:17.880 | Why do you care?
00:54:20.000 | These people who can't tell from the left or to the right that I show mercy to them.
00:54:25.920 | The end.
00:54:26.920 | That's how it ends.
00:54:29.200 | Right?
00:54:30.200 | So, what was the point?
00:54:32.440 | The nation of Israel forgot their calling.
00:54:36.160 | They were there enjoying themselves and going to temple worship, but He said, "No, I want
00:54:39.920 | you to go and declare My glory to them."
00:54:42.120 | And He didn't want to go.
00:54:43.760 | So the whole point about the book of Jonah was in God's redemptive history, the nation
00:54:49.560 | of Israel was called to declare His glory, and Israel forgot their calling.
00:54:54.080 | Right?
00:54:55.080 | So, if you don't see that in the light of the larger picture of redemptive history,
00:54:58.760 | the meta-narrative, it just becomes about the whale.
00:55:02.120 | Right?
00:55:03.320 | Don't mess with the whale or you get eaten up.
00:55:05.400 | Right?
00:55:06.400 | It's the end.
00:55:07.400 | And you get a nice moral story for Sunday school, but you kind of miss the larger picture.
00:55:10.440 | So again, every passage has to be within the context of the larger genre.
00:55:14.720 | I'm not going to talk about it because Pastor Mark's going to talk about it next week.
00:55:18.240 | Okay?
00:55:19.240 | So, those of you guys who are anal have to fill this out.
00:55:21.200 | You can fill this out right now.
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00:55:45.080 | Clear yet?
00:55:46.080 | Unique theology.
00:55:47.080 | Book.
00:56:03.880 | Purpose of the book.
00:56:07.200 | Major section.
00:56:08.200 | Sections by theme.
00:56:09.200 | Pastor Mark, maybe you should start coming up.
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00:56:14.300 | Pastor mark, we should start coming up.
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