back to index2015-07-02 Study of 1 Corinthians Week 11
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there are parts of scripture where it's awesome 00:00:22.760 |
And then there are parts of scripture where if you do that, 00:00:25.200 |
you just feel like you're getting beat up, you know? 00:00:27.800 |
And there's a sense in which we've been together studying 00:00:30.120 |
now for over 10 weeks, this is our 11th week. 00:00:37.920 |
like arrogant people competing with each other. 00:00:42.160 |
How dare you do this to the house of God, you know, 00:00:49.120 |
it's gonna be like that for a little bit, okay? 00:00:51.960 |
But there's a sense in which I always felt like 00:01:00.040 |
There's a sense in which sometimes we have to go 00:01:02.080 |
through that experience, not just so that, you know, 00:01:05.960 |
we feel ashamed, but through the whole experience 00:01:09.640 |
of like really seeing how heavy and how weighty 00:01:15.800 |
Really seeing then also by implication how heavy and weighty 00:01:30.840 |
from the end of that kind of conviction, okay? 00:01:33.480 |
I just wanted to say that 'cause there are parts, 00:02:02.080 |
It is actually reported that there is immorality among you, 00:02:05.400 |
an immorality of such a kind that does not even exist 00:02:08.040 |
among the Gentiles, that someone has his father's wife. 00:02:13.040 |
You have become arrogant and have not mourned instead 00:02:24.920 |
but present in spirit, have already judged him 00:02:27.960 |
who has so committed this, as though I were present. 00:02:31.520 |
In the name of our Lord Jesus, when you are assembled, 00:02:34.600 |
and I with you in spirit, with the power of our Lord Jesus, 00:02:38.240 |
I have decided to deliver such a one to Satan 00:02:55.080 |
Clean out the old leaven so that you may be a new lump, 00:03:00.720 |
For Christ, our Passover, also has been sacrificed. 00:03:07.200 |
not with old leaven, nor with the leaven of malice 00:03:09.880 |
and wickedness, but with the unleavened bread 00:03:19.640 |
I did not at all mean with the immoral people 00:03:22.600 |
of this world, or with the covetous and swindlers, 00:03:30.480 |
But actually, I wrote to you not to associate 00:03:33.720 |
with any so-called brother if he is an immoral person, 00:03:40.360 |
a drunkard or swindler, not even to eat with such a one. 00:03:45.200 |
For what have I to do with judging outsiders? 00:03:48.160 |
Do you not judge those who are within the church? 00:04:08.020 |
We look at verse one and two, and I would like you 00:04:16.520 |
it is actually reported that there is immorality 00:04:21.240 |
as that does not even exist among the Gentiles, 00:04:26.680 |
you have become arrogant and have not mourned instead, 00:04:34.940 |
What I'd like you to do is just simply underline 00:04:38.360 |
the most important concepts in verse one and two. 00:04:47.920 |
So as you guys do that, remember all the things 00:04:59.660 |
Main phrases that he's getting at, those are important, okay? 00:05:15.440 |
if you've underlined the most important terms 00:05:18.360 |
in those first two verses, you're pretty much getting at 00:05:22.600 |
what is the problem Apostle Paul is addressing, okay? 00:05:26.600 |
So my first question to you is, what is Apostle Paul, 00:05:29.960 |
oh, I wrote it like, what is Apostle Paul upset about? 00:05:51.760 |
and then he starts defining immorality, okay? 00:05:54.120 |
So for your letter A, just write in immorality. 00:06:06.640 |
and just throw out the, these are just, you know, 00:06:15.500 |
- Does he describe the immorality as arrogant? 00:06:18.700 |
In verse one, the little kind of dependent clauses 00:06:22.380 |
that are there, the little phrases that are there. 00:06:38.260 |
That the church that's comprised of individuals 00:06:44.220 |
drawn out from the world, set apart as holy to God, 00:06:49.980 |
that aren't even named among the world, okay? 00:07:20.580 |
Well, the thing about it is, if you guys remember, 00:07:23.460 |
like, in that culture, it wasn't uncommon for a man 00:07:32.500 |
Secondly, in that culture, it wasn't uncommon 00:07:41.980 |
and in that culture, the men had such kind of authority 00:07:45.820 |
and power and say and all that kind of stuff, 00:07:48.460 |
and women were so dependent, they didn't care. 00:07:53.300 |
it's kind of like, you know, we have an option. 00:07:55.660 |
The ladies can say, well, you don't fit the bill 00:08:00.460 |
financial income, the look, and all that stuff. 00:08:07.300 |
who owned a lot of property, but he just happened 00:08:10.600 |
to be older, that wasn't like a deal breaker. 00:08:14.720 |
So you would have a scenario where, let's say, 00:08:18.280 |
because of certain reasons, the father divorced 00:08:23.840 |
but the second wife happens to be the same age as the son. 00:08:35.200 |
just pulling this out of, oh, hypothetic, I guess. 00:08:37.160 |
A lot of commentators are saying, this family 00:08:39.820 |
is probably a family that's pretty well-to-do, 00:08:45.380 |
actually is like similar age as the son, okay? 00:08:51.580 |
I'm just kind of saying like, this could be a real scenario. 00:08:59.020 |
But the thing about it is, even in that culture, though, 00:09:01.880 |
that was not only just no good, it was incredibly shameful. 00:09:11.320 |
but also, let's put in some more details into that culture. 00:09:14.020 |
That culture is an incredibly high honor society. 00:09:21.440 |
Everything is about that kind of sense of nobility. 00:09:24.460 |
For a son to do that, that's incredibly shameful, okay? 00:09:28.400 |
And so, Apostle Paul is sitting here like, flabbergasted. 00:09:32.620 |
And he's saying, blah, this stuff is happening in the church 00:09:45.240 |
the church can find itself very, very, very far 00:09:49.720 |
from the holy standards that God has called us to, okay? 00:09:59.080 |
So, step one, he's really upset about the fact 00:10:01.400 |
that there is sexual immorality amongst the people 00:10:06.840 |
But what's the second thing that he's really upset about? 00:10:14.760 |
He is upset about arrogance, and there's a sense 00:10:17.880 |
in which you can say maybe he's even more upset. 00:10:20.320 |
How many of you guys have the NIV translation? 00:10:45.040 |
But there's an exclamation after you are proud, right? 00:10:48.380 |
Okay, so that's what I'm remembering, all right. 00:10:55.640 |
Apostle Paul might be very well more upset at the fact 00:11:03.200 |
but that the people are arrogant about it, okay? 00:11:07.800 |
but the way that they respond to the sin is arrogant. 00:11:15.440 |
And I'm not saying, again, you guys have to be like 00:11:18.320 |
but sometimes comparing the translation just helps us. 00:11:23.520 |
And he is like saying, you're so proud, you know? 00:11:33.180 |
what is Apostle Paul identifying as pride in this scenario? 00:11:48.080 |
as to what is he calling arrogant in this scenario? 00:12:09.080 |
can you put into more detail, how did they respond 00:12:21.200 |
They didn't do anything and they just accepted it. 00:12:24.440 |
Now, is that something you would call arrogant? 00:12:27.340 |
What do you think has to happen in the mind and the thought 00:12:46.440 |
- Like the absence of the fear of God is often 00:12:53.380 |
That could definitely, did you guys hear that? 00:12:55.000 |
She says, when you don't do anything about something, 00:12:59.120 |
when the law of God clearly says to do something, 00:13:08.000 |
and you've placed your standard now above his. 00:13:10.920 |
'Cause essentially, you could be telling God like, 00:13:23.040 |
there's an arrogance in thinking that it won't hurt us, 00:13:33.600 |
- So, they think that having a sin in the church 00:13:48.760 |
he's gonna ever get hurt, even though he's riding around 00:13:53.160 |
He thinks that although this exists in the church, 00:13:55.560 |
it's not gonna affect us anyway, so we're fine. 00:14:01.840 |
- Well, so you read the last verse from chapter four, 00:14:17.400 |
"so I will not curse you, but I will not curse you, 00:14:19.480 |
"for I hold it in my heart with fear of Satan. 00:14:38.360 |
no consequences, we're gonna do what we wanna do, 00:14:41.840 |
we're gonna let's lie what we wanna let's lie, 00:14:43.720 |
because Apostle Paul, or nobody, can say nothing. 00:14:49.500 |
What about maybe something from this passage, 00:14:54.500 |
"You have become arrogant," and then he ties that 00:15:02.300 |
So, all those things that you guys mentioned, 00:15:05.460 |
I appreciate you guys mentioning those things, 00:15:18.380 |
"and your arrogant thinking caused you not to mourn." 00:15:24.160 |
You, so then, here it is, like progress, right? 00:15:32.560 |
which is you should have dealt with this and removed him. 00:15:50.520 |
Okay, do you wanna elaborate on that a little bit? 00:15:59.800 |
Trying to push you to what I personally want, 00:16:09.800 |
Apostle Paul sees them as his children, you know? 00:16:21.820 |
When you see them, even just one of them hurting, 00:16:29.120 |
after, let's just say, hypothetical scenario, 00:16:32.560 |
you have a bunch of kids, they all playing together, 00:16:36.720 |
and with little kids, what always ends up happening 00:16:42.720 |
They're playing around, and then they run into something, 00:16:44.800 |
they're playing around, they fall, they hit their head, 00:16:50.200 |
You come running in, and you're like, "What happened?" 00:16:54.280 |
"Johnny hurt his head, he fell on the ground." 00:17:00.160 |
What do you say to the child who says, "It's not my problem"? 00:17:08.920 |
He's like, "Ugh," like, you just reek of selfishness, right? 00:17:13.640 |
It's like, "Your brother's hurting on the floor, 00:17:16.280 |
"he hurt his head, you didn't even call for me, you know? 00:17:26.000 |
there's no brokenness over sin, what's really interesting, 00:17:28.240 |
it says there's no mourning, but there's no grieving 00:17:34.200 |
in that kind of sympathetic, this is our sin kind of way, 00:17:42.240 |
that Apostle Paul so many times has commanded the church, 00:17:44.920 |
"I want you to hurt together, I want you to cry together, 00:17:51.540 |
But when somebody who's supposed to be together 00:17:54.000 |
all of a sudden says, "But it ain't my problem," 00:18:03.360 |
It's prideful for a brother to think individualistically. 00:18:14.500 |
"It's not my problem, I don't want anything to do with you." 00:18:21.040 |
He just judges that person and says, "Ew, you're gross, 00:18:30.240 |
is arrogance before Apostle Paul and the Lord. 00:18:39.720 |
you're not gonna do anything about it, right? 00:18:45.140 |
When you don't have that personal association 00:18:48.240 |
and say, "This is our guilt, this is our sin, 00:18:55.080 |
And so what Apostle Paul is essentially saying, 00:19:00.780 |
"Oh, this is what I wanted you to read, sorry. 00:19:09.760 |
I feel like I'm totally missing something here. 00:19:19.280 |
Shouldn't you rather have been filled with grief 00:19:21.200 |
and sadness out of your fellowship than man to resist? 00:19:26.440 |
So in the A and A and S and B, it reads like, 00:19:31.280 |
so that the one who did this would be removed. 00:19:45.640 |
saying, "Shouldn't you have mourned with your brother?" 00:19:53.520 |
I think I've shared with you guys a lot of times 00:19:55.160 |
that I struggled a lot with various things in college. 00:20:00.080 |
And I felt like I struggled with all kinds of arrogance 00:20:02.800 |
and I felt like I also struggled with immorality. 00:20:06.320 |
I felt like I struggled with lack of self-control. 00:20:27.160 |
And every small group time we had, week to week, 00:20:40.720 |
and I just made one of those really awkward moments 00:20:51.580 |
It sucks that this sin is beating me up every week. 00:21:16.240 |
but feeling his sympathy made me all the more motivated. 00:21:27.200 |
just think about that for a moment and move on. 00:21:35.160 |
hey, you were supposed to get rid of this guy, what's up? 00:21:39.720 |
'Cause that's not exactly what he was upset about. 00:21:44.520 |
addressing the church wasn't, he should've been gone. 00:21:55.280 |
that you didn't care to mourn with this brother? 00:22:00.900 |
Like, he is addressing the issue of the heart. 00:22:16.760 |
oh, you know what, I didn't give you the section heading. 00:22:21.260 |
Well, I actually wanted you guys to do that on your own. 00:22:23.960 |
Okay, so take a moment, summarize verse one and two. 00:22:39.860 |
it's like actually one big, long, run-on sentence, 00:22:44.480 |
is complicated because it has many dependent clauses 00:22:52.220 |
the main independent clauses that you see in English, okay? 00:23:00.940 |
And then you're gonna see that when you do that, 00:23:08.080 |
How many of you guys don't know the difference 00:23:40.860 |
otherwise, grammatically, it'll sound very awkward. 00:23:49.700 |
An independent clause has both subject and predicate, 00:25:01.740 |
So again, it's verse three and four together, 00:25:13.540 |
the numbers, when they're bolded in your Bibles, 00:25:28.680 |
I'll tell you a funny story while you guys do that. 00:25:34.660 |
I had a roommate who I believed to be a genius. 00:25:37.020 |
He was one of those guys who could read a book in an hour. 00:25:43.100 |
and he's teaching on the East Coast right now. 00:25:48.340 |
because we work with languages so much, right? 00:25:52.900 |
his name is Sean, I was like, Sean, I'm totally a fob. 00:25:55.660 |
Like, you know, I was born in Korea, my English sucks, 00:25:59.700 |
like I don't even read a lot, I don't write a lot and stuff, 00:26:01.780 |
so I was like sweating and I studied so hard. 00:26:15.140 |
grammar's like nobody's best thing, best subject, so. 00:26:38.940 |
- Okay, so in verse five, I have, wait, what? 00:26:56.780 |
I have decided to deliver such a one to Satan, okay? 00:27:08.420 |
Apostle Paul says to them in the first section, 00:27:13.380 |
You're allowing sin and immorality to exist among you, 00:27:17.540 |
'Cause for I, I have already judged him, right? 00:27:27.580 |
we have to now ask the question, but what does that mean? 00:27:34.420 |
that you can go about this, but in your own words, 00:28:00.860 |
- I think he has already identified that what that action 00:28:05.620 |
is is sinful, so he cannot follow that church's principles. 00:28:23.220 |
So he's given a verdict about the whole situation. 00:28:25.840 |
Now, looking at all the little dependent clauses 00:28:39.180 |
- He's one with them, even though he's not there 00:29:06.820 |
He's acting in the power of Jesus for everyone's good. 00:29:10.620 |
Although I'm not there, this is what I'm doing, okay? 00:29:22.980 |
He's kind of, you know, when you want to convince somebody 00:29:40.940 |
And in so doing, he's saying, you need to do this 00:29:44.220 |
because this is in the authority of Christ, right? 00:29:59.460 |
He's saying, you have to do something about it 00:30:06.580 |
So he's adding that authority to the exhortation 00:30:22.100 |
why would he talk about his spirit being with them? 00:30:26.500 |
he's talking about his spirit being with them 00:30:31.840 |
of authority of Christ, giving both the foundation 00:30:36.100 |
and the motive behind taking such an action, okay? 00:30:40.100 |
And you gotta realize that the action is difficult. 00:30:43.140 |
Apostle Paul says that he's delivered such a one 00:31:03.020 |
he is desiring that the church execute that plan and idea. 00:31:14.300 |
I wanted to note that there are several meanings 00:31:23.020 |
one, Apostle Paul literally wants to cast him out 00:31:31.940 |
from other scenarios where Apostle Paul said, 00:31:37.820 |
when Apostle Paul starts talking about the communion 00:31:40.220 |
in chapter 11, you do realize Apostle Paul warns him, 00:31:43.220 |
saying because people don't take the communion seriously 00:31:46.380 |
and in a holy manner, they're gonna die, okay? 00:31:53.020 |
is sending him out into Satan's sphere of influence. 00:32:00.460 |
but he's going to send him out into the, you know, 00:32:03.780 |
into the arena or kingdom of Satan, so to speak. 00:32:11.780 |
he wants that person to physically suffer, why? 00:32:14.540 |
Because if that person doesn't have the community, 00:32:25.420 |
Somebody who is even rejected by the Christians? 00:32:30.580 |
They were like, oh wow, Christians, you know? 00:32:35.380 |
Apostle Paul wants this person to feel physical, 00:33:01.780 |
it doesn't sound like the guy is gonna die, right? 00:33:16.920 |
Don't have fellowship with such a one, right? 00:33:43.980 |
and interprets it for the destruction of sinful nature. 00:33:47.860 |
And so in doing that, basically, NIV is taking 00:33:59.060 |
because he doesn't have the Christian community. 00:34:01.020 |
He's gonna be lonely, he's gonna be persecuted 00:34:04.740 |
No, he's talking about something spiritual, right? 00:34:07.740 |
And so I definitely, for me, I take the position 00:34:12.300 |
what we kind of naturally would think about this passage. 00:34:17.740 |
over this man's sin, remove him from your midst, 00:34:49.140 |
like that his spirit may be saved in the day? 00:34:51.940 |
Why does it have this forward-looking aspect to it? 00:34:57.300 |
he says what he can say and then he sometimes 00:35:00.300 |
prevents himself from saying what he cannot say. 00:35:24.660 |
what is the goal of the excommunication here? 00:35:39.680 |
That there's a sense in which even in the casting out 00:35:47.540 |
against his father and mother and the church, 00:35:56.580 |
in 1 Timothy chapter one, verse 19 through 20, okay? 00:36:13.940 |
He says, "Keeping faith in a good conscience, 00:36:15.900 |
"which some have rejected and suffered shipwreck 00:36:27.360 |
"so that they will be taught not to blaspheme." 00:36:59.780 |
is there a lesson, hopefully we're learning that lesson. 00:37:14.820 |
But one of the things I want us to write down is both. 00:37:18.740 |
One is redemptive, but excommunication has to have 00:37:23.420 |
its effect of the destruction of that sinful habit. 00:37:40.940 |
And so to the degree, I wanna read to you guys 00:37:47.700 |
because in this section, it has an Old Testament flavor. 00:37:50.860 |
Later on, Apostle Paul is actually going to quote 00:37:55.500 |
But I wanna read to you a passage in Numbers chapter 15. 00:37:59.220 |
You don't have to turn there just for the sake of time. 00:38:02.780 |
It says, "While the Israelites were in the desert, 00:38:05.460 |
"a man was found gathering on the Sabbath day." 00:38:09.580 |
Now, God has given commands not to work on the Sabbath day, 00:38:15.220 |
In verse 33, it says, "Those who found him gathering wood 00:38:18.580 |
"brought him to Moses and Aaron and the whole assembly." 00:38:22.100 |
So this guy gathers wood, and then he gets caught, 00:38:25.780 |
and he gets brought before the whole congregation, 00:38:32.220 |
"because it was not clear what should be done. 00:38:34.440 |
"Then the Lord said to Moses, 'The man must die. 00:38:38.460 |
"'The whole assembly must stone him outside the camp.' 00:38:47.640 |
That's one of these crazy stories in the Bible 00:38:50.820 |
where if you don't understand what's happening, 00:38:53.500 |
it's like, what the, the guy was carrying wood. 00:38:57.160 |
Not only that, but if the whole assembly gathered together, 00:39:01.860 |
you're talking about not just like 10 people, 00:39:04.740 |
but this one guy, he must have then had what? 00:39:22.500 |
God made sure that the whole congregation knew it was serious 00:39:26.700 |
by making sure that not only just the leaders, 00:39:29.460 |
but the whole assembly was involved in the execution. 00:39:34.980 |
just jot these down for your reference for later. 00:39:40.380 |
Basically, there's a case of homicide, but it's accidental. 00:39:44.260 |
And then Moses essentially instructs the people. 00:39:54.540 |
In Leviticus chapter 24, verse 13 through 16, 00:39:57.780 |
another case where the assembly is gathered together 00:40:09.740 |
It's because we realize one of the implied aspects 00:40:18.340 |
is that there is a community that needs to be kept in mind 00:40:22.360 |
in the whole process of discipline and purity, right? 00:40:30.340 |
This isn't the expectation of just the leaders. 00:40:33.980 |
But Apostle Paul says, "When you gather together," okay? 00:40:38.300 |
Apostle Paul tells them that when they gather together, 00:41:02.820 |
"Clean out the old leaven so that you may be a new lump, 00:41:09.040 |
"For Christ, our Passover, also has been sacrificed. 00:41:17.320 |
"of malice and wickedness, but with the unleavened bread 00:41:25.680 |
So we're on section three, and I ask you this question. 00:41:34.020 |
metaphorical, parable-like universal principles. 00:41:38.620 |
"When there is some leaven, it leavens the whole dough." 00:41:42.780 |
Okay, what's the principle, like spiritual principle, 00:41:49.340 |
let's verbalize it and summarize it in our own way. 00:42:15.060 |
From verses six through eight, what I just read, 00:42:18.380 |
he gives one of these, like, well-known Old Testament 00:42:22.340 |
and New Testament teachings, Jesus Christ used it too. 00:42:29.300 |
"it leavens the whole lump, don't you know it?" 00:42:32.360 |
So what's the spiritual principle for the church 00:42:53.820 |
To be wise was to realize a little bit of leaven 00:43:01.000 |
To be biblical, to be God-fearing, to be humble 00:43:09.540 |
there's a sense in which in no way is it ever small. 00:43:12.140 |
That sin, by nature of what it is, in no way is it ever, 00:43:20.280 |
That's the kind of principle they're supposed to learn. 00:43:22.700 |
And we're supposed to learn that this, the leaven, 00:43:31.220 |
I didn't know what that is, so I looked it up on Google. 00:43:40.180 |
And just like, you know, lately, like, yogurt's really big, 00:43:46.460 |
and how it mixes the thing and all that kind of stuff. 00:43:49.420 |
Likewise, yeast is just fungus used to ferment the dough. 00:43:55.540 |
And in so doing, it causes the dough to rise. 00:43:58.700 |
The yeast is also used in a lot of different scenarios 00:44:01.140 |
where the yeast is used for, let's say, brewing alcohol, 00:44:04.020 |
alcoholic drinks and stuff, and all that kind of stuff. 00:44:08.900 |
But the whole picture you're supposed to get is, 00:44:16.420 |
the yeast doesn't just, like, stay in its little culture, 00:44:20.020 |
and then it just kind of floats around in there. 00:44:26.340 |
And so the whole picture you're supposed to get is, 00:44:28.860 |
there's a sense in which we're supposed to look 00:44:38.060 |
That's the kind of lesson we're supposed to learn, right? 00:44:42.460 |
And so there's a sense in which, many times in the Bible, 00:44:48.340 |
So if there is sin in you, then there is sin in y'all. 00:44:54.060 |
And if one individual is culpable, y'all are culpable. 00:44:58.140 |
And so many times in the Bible, failure to deal with sin 00:45:03.580 |
of God's displeasure upon the whole community. 00:45:11.140 |
And the story, to me, is always profound and kind of crazy, 00:45:16.700 |
In Joshua chapter seven, it tells of the story 00:45:24.020 |
Joshua, you know, you imagine him as the conquering guy 00:45:27.060 |
after Moses, he's entering into the land of Canaan, 00:45:34.860 |
the plundering of the pagans, and taking all their riches. 00:45:40.420 |
'Cause you have to realize that God is the one 00:45:56.000 |
"because much of the whole pagan land's wealth 00:46:03.400 |
I mean, dang, these little idols, they're nothing. 00:46:17.460 |
God in the morning says, "Moses, bring out everybody." 00:46:26.220 |
And then God says, "Moses, bring out that one tribe." 00:46:43.220 |
And then his immediate family, they get judged to death. 00:46:56.780 |
and he knows us individually, he cares for us individually, 00:47:10.400 |
And we, I think, in our individualistic American culture, 00:47:18.020 |
So, the failure to deal with serious sin in our members 00:47:36.000 |
that so far, just in the first couple chapters 00:47:38.220 |
of 1 Corinthians, we had the analogy of the body, 00:47:48.380 |
And all that is like kind of Apostle Paul teaching, 00:47:52.620 |
And this is your identity, you know what I mean? 00:47:59.260 |
on how we're supposed to think about sin in our membership. 00:48:04.260 |
Now, you guys can give another section title to this one. 00:48:16.560 |
that there's a flow of Apostle Paul's reasoning and thought. 00:48:25.240 |
And then in the second, I just said this was, 00:48:35.360 |
Oh, I put Paul's authoritative support, okay? 00:49:11.300 |
or they kind of forget which school you went to, 00:49:15.980 |
And you're just kind of, eh, whatever, you know? 00:49:18.300 |
Correcting somebody even in a casual setting is hard. 00:49:20.900 |
Going through the process of excommunicating somebody, 00:49:26.820 |
A little bit of yeast, a little bit of leaven, 00:49:48.240 |
or the next section, in verses nine through 13. 00:49:58.240 |
I did not at all mean with the immoral people of this world 00:50:01.680 |
or of the covetous and swindlers and idolaters, 00:50:03.860 |
for then you would have to go out of the world. 00:50:09.340 |
with any so-called brother if he is an immoral person 00:50:13.920 |
or covetous, idolater, reviler, drunkard, or swindler, 00:50:21.520 |
I'm gonna read the next verses a little bit in a moment, 00:50:24.340 |
but I want us to take a moment in this occasion 00:50:31.300 |
Apostle Paul, in his perspective about sexual immorality, 00:50:36.000 |
in this portion, he is classifying sexual immorality 00:50:46.640 |
revilers, drunkards, and swindlers, isn't he? 00:50:55.040 |
therefore let us celebrate this feast not with old leaven, 00:51:03.240 |
but with the unleavened bread of sincerity and truth. 00:51:06.240 |
So how would Apostle Paul, in challenging this specific sin, 00:51:13.360 |
He would think it as same as malice and wickedness. 00:51:17.400 |
He would see it as same as insincerity and falsehood. 00:51:23.680 |
Now the reason why I wanna talk about this a little bit 00:51:26.200 |
is because we have definitely become a culture 00:51:56.880 |
like physical intimacy has been so romanticized, 00:52:00.920 |
I definitely think that in the way that Christians 00:52:04.880 |
and young people think about sexual immorality, 00:52:12.880 |
'Cause I feel like even for me when I was younger, 00:52:35.220 |
and you were involved in sexually immoral behavior, 00:52:40.280 |
oh, that was just being romantic with each other. 00:52:43.000 |
You might think that as just being intimate with each other. 00:52:51.880 |
that's not the way Apostle Paul would see it. 00:52:58.480 |
in this section is he is trying to address them 00:53:02.740 |
and having them think differently about what's happening. 00:53:05.840 |
First, think differently about their own attitudes 00:53:18.600 |
The existence of a sin is complete contrary to that. 00:53:21.900 |
So, for us, the question is, are we seeing sin 00:53:28.280 |
with the same kind of weight and same perspective 00:53:32.720 |
Do we see sin as truly destructive to me and my church? 00:53:43.180 |
or amongst guys this happens, amongst girls this happens, 00:53:51.240 |
We have to challenge our perspective on the sin. 00:54:04.960 |
as a, for me, when I was younger and stuff like that, 00:54:11.840 |
that we should teach and convict people at an early age 00:54:16.040 |
to accurately portray sin the way it ought to be. 00:54:26.200 |
So, in thinking about that, we have that said. 00:54:34.280 |
For what have I to do with judging outsiders? 00:54:37.480 |
Do you not judge those who are within the church? 00:54:47.880 |
Are we to treat and judge outsiders differently 00:55:21.320 |
How about Mel, Christine, Carrie, or Jessica? 00:55:32.600 |
are we supposed to judge and deal differently 00:55:52.320 |
you have to ask for accountability in that sense. 00:55:57.960 |
And the work that's been done within the church 00:56:14.280 |
And ultimately, both groups are accountable to that, 00:56:22.640 |
because in a sense, they don't know what is the standard. 00:56:34.160 |
in regards to factors, should look completely different. 00:56:39.400 |
So she says yes, should look completely different. 00:56:42.960 |
Different accountability, different standards, 00:56:48.800 |
- This is a question I've been meaning to ask, 00:57:16.520 |
how should we respond to recent political news? 00:57:26.720 |
Obviously I can't give a thorough answer to that, 00:57:40.080 |
And actually we should all voice our opinions a lot. 00:57:53.800 |
we're gonna do what we do, you can't say anything. 00:57:56.000 |
But we live in a country where actually the opinion, 00:57:59.760 |
vote, and the perspective of the people matter a lot. 00:58:05.720 |
oh no, but there's separation of church and state, 00:58:08.200 |
and you can never cross boundaries and stuff. 00:58:28.440 |
and one of the major factors as to why it exists 00:58:46.920 |
Our battle is truly a battle of eternal trajectory. 00:58:55.400 |
And so we have to keep those two things in balance. 00:59:01.200 |
do I think that you should give up your careers 00:59:13.220 |
That's a brief summary, I think, of what I would say. 00:59:15.880 |
But obviously there's so much more to be said about it. 00:59:23.840 |
actually what does matter is I've been reading 00:59:25.600 |
a lot of articles about that subject to Christians. 00:59:30.120 |
Where some people have written articles and said, 01:00:02.480 |
Apostle Paul obviously has taught this church before 01:00:12.920 |
And he has said, don't associate with these pagan people 01:00:16.360 |
who drink all the time, who celebrate in pagan ways, 01:00:22.560 |
and are adoratrous and all that kind of stuff. 01:00:25.240 |
And then he says, let me clarify your responsibility. 01:00:37.960 |
You're responsible for your brothers and sisters, right? 01:00:41.620 |
So there's a sense in which I ask you this question 01:01:24.580 |
Okay, don't associate with the so-called brother 01:01:48.520 |
I always lean on the side of being patient with people, 01:01:54.520 |
understanding their situation, and that's all necessary. 01:02:01.360 |
with the righteousness and holiness of the church. 01:02:15.360 |
You need to go to the extent of not associating with them. 01:02:18.720 |
Like, whoa, is that not a kind of like a wake-up call for us? 01:02:43.720 |
don't just shoot the breeze with that person, 01:02:45.280 |
don't have social just like, oh, let's have fun together, 01:02:52.200 |
he would even give an extent over in verse 11. 01:02:59.120 |
Don't even sit down and do what is so common, 01:03:06.700 |
And so, this is the part where I do wanna talk 01:03:12.880 |
because this is actually one of the longest segments 01:03:18.160 |
Casting someone out, removing them from your fellowship, 01:03:21.400 |
okay, this is a passage that has so many implications 01:03:28.680 |
there has to be a us, and that's part of the reason 01:03:36.760 |
that we will do everything that the Lord commands 01:03:42.360 |
and go all the way to the point of excommunication, right? 01:03:45.940 |
Well, in this, he says, what that looks like is, 01:03:53.360 |
to excommunicate somebody, don't even eat with such a one. 01:03:59.640 |
where we had to go through this entire process, 01:04:04.680 |
we have done this process at our church, you know? 01:04:07.600 |
And we had to encourage the church to be strong in this, 01:04:23.400 |
Don't be like, oh, yeah, the church excommunicated you, 01:04:32.160 |
Let me read you a passage here in 2 Thessalonians, 01:04:45.200 |
Such people we command and urge in the Lord Jesus Christ 01:04:50.680 |
And as for you, brothers, never tire of doing what is right. 01:04:53.740 |
If anyone does not obey our instruction in this letter, 01:04:58.580 |
Do not associate with him in order that he may feel ashamed. 01:05:09.080 |
do this practice of not associating with that individual 01:05:25.680 |
But if a church says, hey, church, congregation, 01:05:31.000 |
we've prayed about this, we've talked to the individual, 01:05:39.080 |
but he's my friend and I'm gonna go hang out with him. 01:05:44.880 |
You can't do that because what you're saying is 01:06:15.400 |
you just realize the weight behind it, right? 01:06:21.000 |
to adhere to this, to call every single member 01:06:23.860 |
in this church to be careful in how you interact 01:06:25.880 |
with that person, you just realize the weight of sin, right? 01:06:32.320 |
because it's so important to us is this in Matthew 18. 01:06:37.440 |
go and show him his fault just between the two of you. 01:06:42.740 |
You always wanna keep it as small as possible. 01:06:46.160 |
Because if the person repents, you've won him over. 01:06:54.160 |
So keep it in the smallest possible, just the two of you. 01:06:59.080 |
But if he will not listen, take one or two others along 01:07:08.560 |
If he refuses to listen to them, tell it to the church. 01:07:17.640 |
I tell you the truth, whatever you bind on earth 01:07:19.640 |
will be bound in heaven, and whatever you loose on earth 01:07:23.340 |
Again, I tell you that if two of you on earth 01:07:27.960 |
it will be done for you by my Father in heaven. 01:07:30.560 |
For where two or three come together in my name, 01:07:42.360 |
in talking about like, what needs to take place 01:07:45.920 |
in the church, I wanna say something to you guys 01:07:51.320 |
Sin is just as bad now as it was in the days of Moses. 01:08:02.200 |
I read to you guys passages where someone sinned, 01:08:08.600 |
outside the camp by people's, essentially, hands. 01:08:12.520 |
People picked up stones and they actually partook 01:08:18.640 |
The execution of the punishment for that sin. 01:08:21.520 |
But you realize, just because we're in the New Testament, 01:08:53.800 |
Verse six, actually, he says, well, I'll start from 01:09:00.340 |
"Then you shall bring out that man or that woman 01:09:09.100 |
"On the evidence of two witnesses or three witnesses, 01:09:13.560 |
"He shall not be put to death on the evidence 01:09:16.620 |
"The hand of the witness shall be first against him 01:09:18.860 |
"to put him to death, and afterward, the hand of who? 01:09:29.860 |
I'm gonna, let's go over to chapter 21, verse 21. 01:09:32.460 |
And it says here, I'm gonna start reading from verse 20. 01:09:44.000 |
"this son of ours is stubborn and rebellious. 01:09:49.540 |
"Then all the men of his city shall stone him to death, 01:09:52.200 |
"so that you shall remove the evil from your midst, 01:10:14.060 |
to be open and vulnerable, to be real and honest, right? 01:10:27.940 |
We should not create an environment when people, 01:10:29.860 |
if they sin, they're too afraid to come out with it 01:10:34.400 |
and plaster them on the wall with rebuke and embarrassment. 01:10:42.420 |
where it's so lax, they're not afraid to sin anymore. 01:10:52.500 |
they should not feel okay being at our church. 01:10:54.800 |
We should care so much about their well-being 01:11:41.300 |
that regardless of the way we make people feel, 01:11:45.800 |
What's more, we should love the brother so much, 01:12:03.240 |
it's clear what happens with somebody who's a member. 01:12:11.600 |
but doesn't go through the membership process yet 01:12:31.920 |
they just didn't go through the membership process. 01:12:37.960 |
One, because if that person is coming into the church 01:12:42.320 |
as a visitor or someone who's a regular attender 01:12:50.040 |
So we should still go and address the individual. 01:12:59.320 |
And let's say they just bounce to another church. 01:13:04.080 |
you know it's our responsibility to contact that church 01:13:11.680 |
because when you talk about people and stuff like that, 01:13:19.460 |
to keep that principle of people who kind of need to know 01:13:24.500 |
And then, but typically then it's the leaders 01:13:29.180 |
And continue just to follow up on that person 01:13:36.540 |
If the sin itself happened to be so detrimental 01:13:42.660 |
we felt like we had to address that to the church, 01:13:53.220 |
- You know how like there's a whole positive church 01:13:55.500 |
discipline for someone who like after meeting up with them, 01:13:58.780 |
like they still don't turn away from the person 01:14:04.220 |
And you're saying to like not even associate, right? 01:14:08.100 |
- Through like not hanging out with them at all. 01:14:22.500 |
are you saying like to kind of just leave them alone 01:14:33.980 |
So his question is like, so let's say he's gone 01:14:36.980 |
through the whole process of church discipline. 01:14:40.700 |
Does that mean just like literally just leave him alone 01:14:44.100 |
So the whole idea of that individual being excommunicated 01:14:58.500 |
That person can't just come into Bible study. 01:15:00.800 |
And when we have church fellowship and stuff like that, 01:15:07.620 |
So what's kind of expected of the church members 01:15:11.980 |
is that if they have contact with that person, 01:15:16.720 |
that the church member then continues to try to instruct 01:15:22.900 |
I'm pleading with you, man, just humble yourself and repent. 01:15:27.900 |
Like, I don't know why you're being so defensive, you know? 01:15:30.820 |
And just talk with the individual, plead with them. 01:15:37.420 |
look at all the consequences and stuff like that, you know? 01:16:25.940 |
I just try to think of some questions here about, 01:16:28.620 |
you know, was there anything that was convicting and stuff? 01:16:31.760 |
Just to kind of explain one of the questions, 01:16:43.300 |
So, what's really interesting, obviously, is like, 01:17:00.060 |
it's like in different scenarios and circumstances, 01:17:14.300 |
I'm talking to you like you're an unbeliever, 01:17:17.560 |
or at what times do we warn them as a brother