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2015-05-14 1 Corinthians Bible Study Week 4


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00:00:00.000 | So if you turn in your Bibles to chapter 1 and then we look at verse 10, this is where
00:00:12.160 | he addressed that first problem.
00:00:13.600 | The first problem was division.
00:00:15.720 | And he said, "Now I exhort you, brethren, by the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, that
00:00:19.280 | you all agree and that there be no divisions among you, but that you may be complete in
00:00:23.560 | the same mind and same judgment."
00:00:26.040 | Right?
00:00:27.040 | So he began with that exhortation.
00:00:29.480 | And the next section in verse 18, he said, "For the word of the cross is foolishness
00:00:34.320 | to those who are perishing, but to us who are being saved, it is the power of God."
00:00:39.840 | Okay?
00:00:41.160 | And I made the case to you last week that Apostle Paul is presenting an argument saying
00:00:46.400 | the gospel that we have is superior, it's greater, it's profound.
00:00:51.240 | Right?
00:00:52.380 | And in so doing, you realize he is exhorting them to be united because the gospel already
00:00:57.840 | has done a dividing work.
00:01:00.120 | Okay?
00:01:01.200 | The gospel has already divided all of mankind into two categories, those who are perishing
00:01:05.680 | and those who are being saved.
00:01:07.720 | And so we are those who are being saved, bound together by this gospel truth, this wisdom
00:01:12.360 | of God.
00:01:13.360 | Right?
00:01:14.360 | So he's saying we need to be united.
00:01:15.720 | We can't have this kind of division amongst us.
00:01:18.920 | And in so doing, he started to mention that perhaps you guys are divided, and this is
00:01:24.240 | the case I made last time was, you guys are divided because underneath this, "Hey, I'm
00:01:29.240 | of Paulus, I'm of Paul, I'm of Jesus only," that kind of thing, underneath all this is
00:01:34.480 | worldly thinking.
00:01:36.660 | Underneath all this is worldly wisdom.
00:01:38.740 | So he desires to attack and challenge their worldview, their scheme of how they value
00:01:44.640 | what they value.
00:01:46.200 | Okay?
00:01:47.200 | So in review of last time, the very first, I guess, section that I want to read is verse
00:01:55.200 | 19 and 20.
00:01:58.360 | So after he says this, "For it is written, 'I will destroy the wisdom of the wise and
00:02:03.320 | the cleverness of the clever I will set aside.'
00:02:05.920 | Where is the wise man?
00:02:07.320 | Where is the scribe?
00:02:08.320 | Where is the debater of this age?
00:02:10.600 | Has not God made foolish the wisdom of the world?"
00:02:14.600 | And I made the first point, which is, the wisdom of God is permanent.
00:02:18.480 | Right?
00:02:19.480 | From that verse, you recognize he's saying, "Where are all these wise people?
00:02:22.960 | They're gone, they're dead.
00:02:24.080 | All the ancient philosophers, guess what?
00:02:25.800 | They're in the grave."
00:02:27.660 | But God's wisdom is permanent.
00:02:29.900 | And so that's why God's wisdom is superior.
00:02:32.340 | Number two, in the next section, I'm not going to read it for us, but Apostle Paul says,
00:02:36.480 | "God's wisdom is powerful."
00:02:38.960 | As a matter of fact, I used the adjective limitless.
00:02:43.240 | Right?
00:02:44.520 | It's powerful without limit.
00:02:48.240 | And the flip side of that is, those who are of worldly philosophy, those who are of worldly
00:02:52.440 | wisdom, they are powerless to save.
00:02:55.640 | They are powerless to have knowledge of God.
00:02:57.560 | They are powerless in the wisdom that they offer.
00:03:00.920 | Because their wisdom truly, it's contradictory.
00:03:04.860 | Their wisdom is passing by fads.
00:03:06.780 | Their wisdom is sometimes disconnected all of its own.
00:03:10.360 | And so he says, "The cross, the gospel of Jesus, overcomes all human wisdom."
00:03:16.320 | Now, the train of thought that I wanted to rehearse with you in going through this was
00:03:22.320 | simply that train of thought.
00:03:24.480 | These people are fighting.
00:03:26.520 | They're fighting obviously because they're trying to one up each other in pride.
00:03:30.280 | "Oh, you're of a Paulist?
00:03:31.960 | Well, I learned under Paul.
00:03:34.840 | And Paul taught a Paulist, so there."
00:03:37.120 | "Oh, you're of Paul?
00:03:38.560 | Well, I'm just Jesus only, so there."
00:03:41.680 | They're trying to one up each other with their pride and arrogance, and that always causes
00:03:46.320 | division.
00:03:47.320 | Right?
00:03:48.320 | And in so thinking, Paul presents the gospel and says, "You need to be gospel-minded.
00:03:51.960 | You need to be having the worldview that God wants you to have in addressing this situation."
00:03:59.880 | But in so doing, the connection between the previous verses that we're reading and then
00:04:04.960 | the connection between the passage that we just read and you guys talked about is this.
00:04:10.840 | Apostle Paul uses the church as an example of God's wisdom, and he uses the example of
00:04:18.720 | God's calling, God's salvation calling of them.
00:04:22.360 | So let's read it again, because I always benefit in reading something multiple times.
00:04:28.280 | In verse 26 through 31, it says, "For consider your calling, brethren, that there were not
00:04:35.400 | many wise according to the flesh, not many mighty, not many noble, but God has chosen
00:04:40.120 | the foolish things of the world to shame the wise, and God has chosen the weak things of
00:04:44.560 | the world to shame the things which are strong, and the base things of the world, and the
00:04:49.560 | despised God has chosen, the things that are not, so that he may nullify the things that
00:04:54.400 | are, so that no man may boast before God, but by his doing you are in Christ Jesus,
00:04:59.960 | who became to us wisdom from God and righteousness, sanctification and redemption, so that just
00:05:05.720 | as it is written, 'Let him who boasts, boast in the Lord.'"
00:05:10.440 | Okay.
00:05:12.400 | So as we begin this section, I would like for us to start jotting down some of the things
00:05:18.000 | that we observe.
00:05:19.760 | He calls the church to consider their calling, and really if you think about their calling,
00:05:26.720 | it's their calling as his general salvation, the call of God, you know?
00:05:32.320 | And as he asks them to think about it, he doesn't necessarily ask them just to think
00:05:36.600 | about the calling itself, he's gonna ask them to think about that a little later.
00:05:39.960 | He asks them to think about themselves, when they were called, their personal circumstance.
00:05:46.620 | So let's jot that in.
00:05:48.360 | So letter A is just consider yourself when you were called, and this is also for us in
00:05:53.560 | our Bible study, consider yourself when you were called, right?
00:05:58.200 | Letter B, what's the first description that you see?
00:06:03.840 | What's the first description of them?
00:06:05.560 | Consider yourself when you were called.
00:06:07.080 | The first thing I noticed was, not wise.
00:06:11.000 | Sorry, I laughed 'cause I heard, "Stupid, stupid."
00:06:16.840 | Not wise, okay?
00:06:19.160 | That they were not wise, and he is talking about actual education.
00:06:23.880 | Education was not like today where, yeah, if you wanna get a job, you get educated,
00:06:27.400 | so everybody who wants a job is gonna get educated.
00:06:29.480 | No, that's not the way it worked back then.
00:06:31.640 | Education was for the privileged, you know?
00:06:33.680 | To have a mentor, to have a disciple, to have a educator above you, that must have meant
00:06:38.680 | you were already rich.
00:06:42.040 | What's the second thing?
00:06:45.520 | Powerful?
00:06:47.520 | Is that what it said?
00:06:52.000 | Yeah, not powerful, okay?
00:06:54.000 | Some translations say, "You're not mighty."
00:06:55.800 | You're not mighty, you're not powerful.
00:06:58.680 | And that's really talking about the idea of influential, like you have no sway on people.
00:07:04.760 | You have no power in the sense that you have no control over anybody.
00:07:08.760 | What's the next thing that you see?
00:07:11.800 | You're not noble, okay?
00:07:15.680 | Noble.
00:07:17.120 | And that one, he's talking about birth order, actually.
00:07:22.960 | There is a sense in which, obviously, in our day and age, here and now, we don't have this
00:07:28.120 | kind of culture, but if you've seen any of the TV shows or movies from the past, a vast
00:07:34.060 | majority of history functioned where you were born into a certain class.
00:07:39.340 | As a matter of fact, if you're Korean, and you know of the Korean culture, even back
00:07:43.100 | 50 years ago, there were the noblemen and then there were your peasant people.
00:07:49.740 | And those two never crossed.
00:07:51.260 | Their kids didn't play with each other.
00:07:53.220 | They dressed differently.
00:07:54.660 | They could never cross this barrier, right?
00:07:57.700 | A bunch of history was like that.
00:07:59.740 | And so, Paul's looking at them, saying, "So, how many of you guys are like, noblemen?"
00:08:04.820 | I don't see very many.
00:08:06.860 | There were some people who were higher class, so to speak, or more powerful.
00:08:09.900 | Remember, I talked about there was a gentleman who got saved earlier on, Stephanus?
00:08:14.380 | He's the one who was kind of leader of the synagogue in Corinth, okay?
00:08:18.700 | So there were people who were reputable, people who were powerful, but the vast majority,
00:08:23.660 | he says, "You guys really weren't that impressive."
00:08:26.460 | Now, I ask this question, "Would you have been offended by this?"
00:08:33.220 | And the reason why I ask this question is because, did you notice how earlier, he was
00:08:38.700 | talking about doctrinally, how important the gospel is?
00:08:43.700 | But as soon as we begin this section, what changes?
00:08:53.180 | He's not talking about the unimpressedness of the gospel.
00:08:56.420 | He's talking about the unimpressedness of the people.
00:09:01.620 | So what you find is, he's getting personal.
00:09:04.860 | What you find is, he's actually having them think about themselves in light of the gospel,
00:09:11.860 | but more specifically, when God called them, when God drew them, what was their condition?
00:09:19.060 | If they are, as we began, in this battle to see who can outdo one another in honor, reputation,
00:09:26.300 | respect, if they can outdo each other in kind of the accolades, or even just the name dropping
00:09:31.140 | of the association that they have, he's getting a bit personal and says, "Look at you.
00:09:36.580 | Look at you, real good for a moment."
00:09:39.100 | Right?
00:09:40.100 | And Apostle Paul does that, and there's a sense in which, I guess, if you were reading
00:09:45.380 | this, you could potentially get really offended.
00:09:46.980 | It's like, "What the?
00:09:47.980 | Just call me, like he's a stupid, you know, weak, and just all around unimpressive."
00:09:55.660 | And I want, you know, we have to think about that for a little bit, because there's a sense
00:09:59.380 | in which, let's say some of us in here are not that, as in, you're really smart, and
00:10:05.820 | you have a lot of power because maybe you're like a higher up in your company, and you
00:10:09.860 | have a lot of possessions, and people just find you quite noble and respectable, and
00:10:13.180 | everybody kind of lifts you up.
00:10:14.780 | The fact of the matter is, as a Christian, you either recognize that you're in that position
00:10:24.620 | before, or you know very well that as a Christian, as you're adopted into Christ's household,
00:10:32.140 | that's how you're going to look to the rest of the world.
00:10:34.980 | So it's not just the doctrines that are unimpressive to the world, it's the people, right?
00:10:41.100 | And that's something we have to recognize.
00:10:43.740 | Moving forward, though, in the next section, he gives a contrast, and he says, "So you
00:10:49.700 | guys think you are like this, because you guys obviously are trying to fight for positions,
00:10:55.180 | or fight for reputation, but the fact of the matter is," he says in verse 27, "that God
00:11:00.860 | has chosen the foolish things of the world to shame the wise, and God has chosen the
00:11:04.540 | weak things of the world to shame the things which are strong, and the base things of the
00:11:08.780 | world, and the despised God has chosen the things that are not, so that he may nullify
00:11:14.980 | the things that are, so that no man may boast before God."
00:11:19.780 | Okay?
00:11:20.780 | What I'd like you guys to do for a moment is, there on your papers, please try to underline
00:11:27.220 | as many purpose statements that you can find.
00:11:30.700 | I count four, or actually I wrote it in there, sorry.
00:11:33.540 | Please underline the four purpose statements in verses 27 through 29.
00:11:38.220 | And if you're done with that, please circle the descriptions of the kinds of people he
00:11:42.020 | has chosen.
00:11:43.020 | Okay?
00:11:44.020 | Take time to do that for a moment.
00:11:51.020 | Yes?
00:11:55.020 | Okay, great.
00:12:02.580 | So purpose statement, purpose statement is stuff when you see like, "so that," "in
00:12:08.140 | order to," sometimes they leave out the "in order" and you find just the preposition
00:12:12.260 | "to" do something, right?
00:12:14.820 | So you find, "this is what he did," and you ask why, and he reveals to you what he
00:12:19.620 | was aiming at, and there you have your purpose statement.
00:12:23.940 | Okay?
00:12:26.300 | And there's a specific reason why I ask first why, before having you identify what.
00:12:36.260 | Okay?
00:12:40.260 | Okay.
00:12:44.260 | All right.
00:13:02.260 | Okay, so table to my left with Isaac, John, and John.
00:13:18.260 | First purpose statement is, "to shame the wise."
00:13:25.420 | This table here with Andy and...
00:13:29.500 | Second one is, "shame the strong," right in front of me with Chris and Andy.
00:13:38.500 | The third one is, "to nullify the things that are," and the third one, this table
00:13:45.220 | here with Dr. Mobley and Dr. Payne.
00:13:49.780 | Great, so that no one would boast.
00:13:52.060 | Okay?
00:13:53.060 | So you see what he's doing, and sometimes stuff like this really is kind of surprising
00:14:00.500 | to me, I guess, because you know, we typically have a notion of God as like, he's always
00:14:04.860 | wanting to relent, which is true, but then you realize he's doing things, this is the
00:14:10.420 | way he functions, like this is the way he operates as God.
00:14:15.300 | He is shaming people, he is nullifying the things that are, and he's making sure people
00:14:21.340 | never boast.
00:14:23.460 | And remember, at the very beginning of this study, I said, I found it really kind of shocking
00:14:28.460 | and a bit like, again, enlightening, when God said from the Old Testament, ever since
00:14:33.940 | then, that he is not only going to, you know, not regard the wisdom of man, but what was
00:14:39.900 | he going to do to it?
00:14:42.180 | Destroy it.
00:14:43.700 | Okay?
00:14:44.780 | And so, one can legitimately ask the question, why would God go to this extent to shame people?
00:14:53.980 | To nullify them?
00:14:55.380 | And just put them down so that they never, like, you know, is God that kind of fearful
00:14:59.100 | God where he's like, don't you dare toot your little horn in front of me, and he gets all
00:15:03.340 | angry and he's like, bam, and he always squashes people?
00:15:05.340 | I mean, is that the kind of picture of God we want to have because of these verses?
00:15:10.020 | No.
00:15:11.180 | So what is he doing?
00:15:13.700 | Well, we noticed, as you guys circle, we noticed the people of the world who thought
00:15:21.900 | they were first what?
00:15:23.740 | Wise, and then strong.
00:15:27.140 | They thought they were, that they're something.
00:15:31.020 | And scripture even says it in the almost verbatim, stop thinking you're something when you're
00:15:35.100 | really nothing.
00:15:36.620 | And then those people who boast.
00:15:39.420 | And what I find really interesting about the way God operates is he always gives just desserts.
00:15:47.460 | So I ask this question, what is he doing?
00:15:50.260 | And letter B, I write, the principle of God on how he works, he gives just desserts.
00:15:56.060 | And this is something that I've noticed from Genesis.
00:16:01.260 | You know?
00:16:02.340 | This is something that I noticed through the kings, something I noticed through even the
00:16:06.460 | New Testament, and something that I noticed even in the end times.
00:16:11.460 | Right now it's kind of interesting because I've been studying Genesis and Revelation
00:16:14.340 | at the same time and I see this principle working.
00:16:17.440 | God is not a God who irrationally reacts to stuff.
00:16:22.660 | Sometimes for us, we go overboard, somebody does something like make fun of a body part
00:16:28.420 | on you, people tend to make fun of my hands a lot, and then you overreact.
00:16:33.100 | "What'd you say?"
00:16:35.500 | Never talking to you again, all that kind of stuff.
00:16:38.180 | Well God is not a God who just overreacts because he's temperamental.
00:16:42.860 | God is not a God who says, "Oh no, no, no, don't you dare be proud in front of me," and
00:16:46.500 | just squashes it because he's that kind of angry God.
00:16:50.060 | God is a God who always gives just desserts.
00:16:54.060 | For example, a lot of the punishment that God gives to people matches their sin.
00:17:00.700 | Okay?
00:17:02.060 | Matches their sin.
00:17:03.060 | I'm going to give some examples.
00:17:05.900 | From the very beginning, Eve.
00:17:08.180 | You know, Eve, it says that God said that Eve is going to have this desire for her husband
00:17:14.300 | as to overtake him.
00:17:16.100 | But then the punishment that he gave Eve right after he says that is what?
00:17:20.740 | But your husband is going to?
00:17:22.540 | Yeah.
00:17:23.540 | He's going to be over you.
00:17:26.260 | And even to the man, there's a sense in which both man and woman together, and mankind,
00:17:31.900 | wanted to what?
00:17:32.900 | Elevate.
00:17:33.900 | They wanted to know what God knew.
00:17:35.180 | They wanted to be more than they were.
00:17:39.060 | What does God say?
00:17:40.060 | "Let me remind you, you're going back to the dust."
00:17:44.260 | There's this kind of just desserts that happens throughout scripture all the time.
00:17:48.460 | When people are prideful and they want to boast about all they've done, what does God
00:17:53.460 | do then?
00:17:54.740 | This passion says he's going to shame them.
00:17:57.380 | There are people who think, "I am more than what I really am."
00:18:00.900 | They try to make much of who they are.
00:18:02.620 | Guess what he says?
00:18:03.620 | "I'm going to nullify you."
00:18:04.620 | Nullify in the Greek literally means to make nothing.
00:18:08.500 | To make nothing.
00:18:10.140 | So the way that that part in the Greek reads is like those that are something are going
00:18:13.380 | to become nothing.
00:18:15.540 | And so what happens is God is a God who functions in this way where he always gives just desserts.
00:18:22.340 | And to the proud, what does he say?
00:18:26.180 | He says, "I'm going to shame and bring you down to nothing."
00:18:29.180 | So for this, I feel like there's a point for us to take home.
00:18:35.380 | There's something for us to learn.
00:18:37.300 | I guess a motivation to fight our pride.
00:18:41.380 | Because we realize truly if we are tempted to go toot our horn, if we are tempted more
00:18:48.860 | practically and more relevantly to this passage, to compare ourselves with other people in
00:18:53.180 | our church and start playing this comparison game.
00:18:56.500 | By playing this, I can outdo you game.
00:18:59.220 | Where if you name drop, then I'm going to name drop.
00:19:01.620 | If you talk about how much Bible you know, then I'm going to talk about how much Bible
00:19:04.220 | I know.
00:19:05.820 | Or whatever it may be in the church that we sometimes struggle with.
00:19:10.820 | Realize that the way God operates is he is going to do the opposite of what you're trying
00:19:14.580 | to accomplish.
00:19:15.580 | Here you are trying to accomplish a name and reputation for yourself.
00:19:19.180 | He is going to humiliate you.
00:19:22.420 | That's oftentimes how God operates.
00:19:25.020 | Still you realize, I mean, when it comes to the issue of pride in our hearts, we truly
00:19:31.580 | have to recognize God.
00:19:33.340 | I put that application, we recognize that God operates in this way which challenges
00:19:40.700 | and motivates us to tackle our pride.
00:19:43.540 | But also we recognize our own hearts.
00:19:45.500 | This is where I would like to have you guys just do one of those self-evaluating moments.
00:19:51.980 | Are there ways in me where I wish I was something more, when as a matter of fact, God is blessing
00:19:59.700 | where I'm already at?
00:20:01.460 | What I mean by that is, there are many times when I think I wish I was more.
00:20:05.180 | I think and I daydream and I fantasize that I wish I was more.
00:20:09.580 | I've shared this with you guys multiple times, so this is an old example.
00:20:13.660 | I so wish that I could read faster.
00:20:17.140 | I was so jealous of Pastor Aaron.
00:20:18.740 | Pastor Aaron came over to my house one time and we were reading together.
00:20:22.540 | He finished a small book about this size, this typical reading book like that in about
00:20:26.420 | an hour and a half.
00:20:27.420 | I went, "What the heck?"
00:20:28.420 | I was still on chapter one, page 15.
00:20:33.260 | He leaned over and he was kind of like, he didn't say anything.
00:20:36.620 | Then another time I was reading with James Hong and he noticed how slow I was reading
00:20:40.380 | and he was kind of like, "You got to move on, brother.
00:20:43.780 | You just have to keep going, man."
00:20:46.900 | I actually took a reading class where I learned how to use a pen, like a marker thing, and
00:20:50.740 | then go underneath the lines and how to maximize your time by holding the page with your finger
00:20:57.580 | already by the time you get to the bottom of the page so you can quickly turn and move
00:21:01.500 | to the next page and stuff like that.
00:21:03.220 | I've been learning all this stuff, but there are a lot of times when I just sit there and
00:21:06.460 | say, "I wish I was smarter.
00:21:08.300 | I wish I was smarter."
00:21:09.300 | The reason why I share that with you is because the problem isn't the smarts.
00:21:16.620 | Being smart, obviously, is not what God requires as a criteria for being a good follower of
00:21:23.100 | Christ.
00:21:25.220 | And being dumb necessarily is not what he is saying that he is going to bless.
00:21:29.260 | Yes, did he choose the things that are base?
00:21:31.780 | Yes, I'm going to make a point of that really quickly.
00:21:34.820 | But the fact of the matter is, whether really slow in reading or fast in reading or really,
00:21:40.060 | really intellectual or not, they're nothing.
00:21:43.380 | Neither contributes to godliness.
00:21:44.780 | You see what I'm saying?
00:21:47.380 | But the person who sits there thinking that is going to make him more than he is, there
00:21:52.740 | lies your problem.
00:21:53.740 | The person who sits there making much of smarts because he thinks that's his answer, there
00:21:59.380 | is a problem, right?
00:22:01.660 | The person who thinks, "I wish I was a little taller, baller," all that stuff, the person
00:22:08.340 | who's making a lot of that, that's the problem.
00:22:12.180 | God is not saying, "Try to be dumb, ignoble, and all that, then I'm going to bless you."
00:22:20.220 | God is saying, "The problem is you think those things are the criteria that make you better
00:22:24.660 | than the other people in your church."
00:22:27.860 | So he rebukes that kind of attitude.
00:22:30.300 | And so for us, we're just reminded of this fact.
00:22:34.740 | Ephesians chapter two, we don't have to turn there, but I want to ask you a question.
00:22:39.940 | What kind of people did he choose according to Ephesians chapter two?
00:22:46.020 | For you were once?
00:22:54.620 | In chapter two later he says you were foreigners, you were strangers, completely like exiled
00:22:58.340 | from God, far and distant.
00:23:01.540 | Dead.
00:23:02.540 | Yeah.
00:23:03.540 | Dead.
00:23:04.540 | Okay?
00:23:05.540 | So even if you think, "Oh, I'm low," you're not thinking low enough.
00:23:09.340 | You know what I mean?
00:23:11.620 | We have to recognize that.
00:23:13.420 | There's a sense in which the people of the time had to empty themselves of their own
00:23:18.180 | wisdom and self-worth in order to truly gain the wisdom of God and the worth that God was
00:23:24.100 | going to give them.
00:23:26.100 | There had to be a renouncing of their own wisdom, their own accolade and smarts and
00:23:30.580 | so forth.
00:23:31.580 | And so the passage I have there, this Jeremiah one is really cool and I think we should,
00:23:37.020 | if you guys can devote to memorizing that one, that's a good one.
00:23:40.460 | Jeremiah chapter nine verse 24, "But let him who boasts, boast of this, that he understands
00:23:46.860 | and knows me, that I am the Lord who exercises loving kindness, justice and righteousness
00:23:51.700 | on earth, for I delight in these things, declares the Lord."
00:23:57.300 | And right before this in Jeremiah he says, "Let not the mighty man boast in his might.
00:24:02.180 | Let not the rich man boast in his riches."
00:24:05.540 | Really powerful passage, okay?
00:24:08.140 | Let's take a look at verse 30.
00:24:11.380 | So he says, this is the way God operates.
00:24:15.940 | And he says, "The way God is operating is giving just desserts, but know that God has
00:24:22.220 | designed it so no one is going to boast before God.
00:24:26.460 | No one is going to blow his horn in front of God.
00:24:30.260 | Every single instrument is going to be for the worship of God.
00:24:32.620 | In the presence of the Lord, no man is going to have pride."
00:24:35.540 | Okay?
00:24:36.540 | And then in verse 30, there's a contrast.
00:24:39.700 | "But," okay, so there's a huge contrast here with this word, "but."
00:24:45.180 | "By his doing, you are in Christ Jesus, who became to us wisdom from God and righteousness
00:24:53.180 | and sanctification and redemption."
00:24:55.180 | Okay.
00:24:56.180 | I have a question for you, interpretive question.
00:25:00.420 | And it's because it kind of reads funny.
00:25:04.340 | Are you the subject that is in righteousness, sanctification, and redemption?
00:25:12.340 | Or she would read this more like, "By his doing, you are in Jesus Christ, who became,"
00:25:19.620 | and then list the rest.
00:25:20.780 | Wisdom, righteousness, sanctification, redemption.
00:25:24.140 | And the follow-up question is, does it matter however you translate the two?
00:25:28.980 | Think about it.
00:25:29.980 | If you guys have different versions, try to read it.
00:25:32.860 | If you guys, I think most of you, how many of you guys have NASB?
00:25:36.980 | Okay a couple of you guys.
00:25:37.980 | How many of you guys have ESV?
00:25:38.980 | Probably the majority of you.
00:25:40.900 | Okay?
00:25:41.900 | Yeah, that's fine.
00:25:42.900 | They actually read pretty different, each translation.
00:25:44.860 | So read it a little bit and try to figure that out for a moment.
00:25:47.420 | You guys get my question, right?
00:25:49.180 | Who is the subject of those descriptions, righteousness, or those nouns, righteousness,
00:25:55.540 | sanctification, redemption?
00:25:56.900 | And I think in ESV it says righteousness, holiness, and redemption.
00:26:00.780 | So are you in those things, or have Jesus become those things?
00:26:14.940 | I'm not sure.
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00:30:41.620 | OK, so it sounds like you guys are having some real good discussions.
00:30:45.620 | This is good. What are some of the things that you guys kind of concluded to?
00:30:51.620 | Again, to tell you honestly, there's like not only those two views, but there's three more views.
00:30:58.620 | But I didn't want to confuse you guys with the three more.
00:31:02.620 | OK, over here with Eric.
00:31:05.620 | [ERIC] Well, after you skipped the ESL, I could be wrong.
00:31:08.620 | You always preface that like...
00:31:11.620 | [ERIC] But the comma who refers to what's before, so that's Jesus.
00:31:17.620 | [ERIC] OK.
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00:51:20.620 | surrender, to relinquish our own wisdom.
00:51:25.440 | To abandon what we think is right in our own eyes.
00:51:30.500 | And to learn and receive the wisdom you have for us.
00:51:33.860 | And God, I pray that every single one of us
00:51:35.820 | would have deep passion to walk the path
00:51:38.900 | you set, and not to blaze our own trail.
00:51:42.020 | Father, we want to thank you.
00:51:42.940 | It's in Christ that we pray, amen.