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How to Gain Control with Small Wins | DJ Shipley & Dr. Andrew Huberman


Chapters

0:0 Physical & Mental Posture
1:1 Importance of Morning Routine
1:57 Impact of Negative Headspace
2:34 Managing External Stress
3:35 Avoiding the Collapse
4:26 Finding a Way Out
5:53 Role of Physical Movement

Transcript

Recently, I heard you talking about physical posture in the gym, literally form, and how upright one is with their stance or squat, and how that translates to mental posture. And it was the first time I've ever heard anyone talk about translating the physical into the mental in this way.

So if you don't mind, how do you think about mental posture and physical posture and how the two intersect? I think in that analogy, the metaphor I used, physical posture, if you think, if I stand feet shoulder-width apart and I put a barbell on me, you slide on 45s, I'm strong.

Two more 45s, I'm strong. You could load up 800, 900 pounds, and I could sit there and hold it. Or if you put 315 pounds on it, I can drop, butt the floor, and I can squat it. If I hold it at 90 degrees and you add on a 45, it feels like a ton.

You start adding on 10s, everything starts to quiver. However, I use the same thing as my mental health. If I wake up in the morning, I've set my morning routine, and I'm firing on all eight cylinders. You can stack on everything on top of me. Because I'm in an optimal state, I can take it just like I'm in a full posture.

Just keep giving it to me. Keep giving it to me. If I wake up, my morning routine's not there. I start reading some hateful stuff in the morning. Don't have a good input with my wife first thing. I'm stuck behind the school bus late for my first meeting. Now you hand me a parking ticket.

It feels like the world is collapsing on top of me, and I can't do anything for it. So throughout the entire day, that's the whole purpose of the micro win kind of formula. Stack up as many wins to put yourself in optimal headspace because reality isn't going to know.

It's going to smack you either way. And if I keep myself blocking everything that's externally toxic to me, when something does get put on me that I have to wear, I'm in a good posture to put it on. That jacket might weigh 55 pounds, I put it on, and I'm still strong because I've been dropping off everything that I don't need to wear all day long.

But, yeah, I mean, but you'll see it. I mean, I know you see it. You analyze people all day long. When people are in a negative headspace, their posture changes. Their head drops. Their shoulders roll forward. They're always looking at the ground. They're never up-processing information. It's because they're dragging whatever just happened all day long.

Now you add in one more thing. Your mom's got cancer. Your wife's going to leave you. Your kids are still, everything just starts to weigh down on you. And it feels like something you'll never get past, insurmountable at some point. And that's all because you start to let it slowly but surely chip away at you.

It's like control the things you can control. And the things you can't control, you either avoid them completely or you take them as, that's a reality you have to live through right now. I don't know why you have cancer, but you do, and you've got to get through it.

Okay. Well, what positive things do I have? Great relationship with my wife. Great relationship with my kids. Great relationship with my friends. My social circle has shrunk. Everyone around me is better than me, and they want me to be better. Okay. Well, I can take on a whole lot if I don't have a tight circle.

No relationship with my wife. Ostracized for my kids. Everything. Now you start to add on that external stress, it cripples me really, really fast. And I know I'm not the only one. So when I say it to everybody, whatever you have going on right now, whatever is absorbing all your bandwidth, it's us two.

But you're choosing to wear that jacket all day. You're putting on another one and then another one. And you add the external pressure of having to provide for a family and be, you know, that emotionally stable figure for the household. It's hard to do all day long, and a lot of people lose sight of it, and I think that's why so many people close their chapter early.

They offer suicide because they think, there's no way I can right this ship. Like, it's gone too far right now, and I don't want to have to sit here and rebuild it, and they close the chapter out. It's like, if we could have eliminated all those things and given yourself a breath of fresh air, would you have done the same thing?

If I would have grabbed you right before the moment, like, this isn't permanent. You can fix this right now. You just have to change these aspects. They would. In the moment, though, and I've been there, you don't have the clarity. You don't have the vision. And a guy told me a long time ago, he goes, I think a lot of people want to hit the reset button on the Nintendo.

Cha-ching! Restart. Restart the game. You're not restarting the game. It's over forever. And I hate seeing people do it. I think now, you know, after I've come out of the medicine, I've done a bunch of therapy and cut out a lot of toxicity out of my life, I've gotten that breath of fresh air.

And I'm just, you know, I told Marcus and Amber Capone when I came out of the treatment, I'm going to jump on the nearest building. I'm going to shout it from the rooftops. Like, this will help. There is a way out of this funk. It's just one step further than you've currently gone.

There's light at the end of that tunnel. Just one step further. One step further. And just continuously go, and it'll get better. Yeah, for me, posture is a huge thing. In combatives, it's a huge thing. In processing information, it's a huge thing. In dealing with stress, it's a huge thing.

I can't let myself collapse. Because once you start adding another pound to me, it hits me to the floor really fast. So control the things you can control. And a lot of it is just your posture and your perspective. Great message. Would you agree that lying down in bed on one's phone on social media is a very dangerous posture?

Because I would argue that. And I also tell guys, if you are going to lay in a fetal position and tweet out how bad your mental health is, stop. Go to a Starbucks. Go to Whole Foods. Walk around and see normal human interaction and tell a stranger you're suffering for mental health.

They don't do it. You're just going to sit there in a fetal position feeling sorry for yourself, and you think it'll get better tomorrow. It won't. I've already lived that life. I've already painted the picture for you. I've played you the movie. You've watched it. It's not going to work.

You're going to have to get out of that bed, and you're going to have to do something every single day that brings you out of that dark depression. And for me, it's physical movement. If you have the ability to move, move. Don't lay in that bed. Don't just sit there and scroll.

You know, Vernon says it. Your diet's important. Not what you eat, but what you consume. Visually, audio, the music you listen to, we all know, there's some music you listen to that just changed you ever so slightly. Is that the person I need to be walking to this door?

Do I need to Blair Megadeth right now? No. I need to play Ludovico. That's what I need. I need to walk into this room at 100% full capacity and just receive whatever energy is in the room right now. It's hard to do if I'm in the depths of despair right now.

So, yeah, I try to put myself in a position where I have optimal posture all day. I try to put myself in a position where I have optimal posture all day.